Blurry Creatures - EP: 44 The Disembodied Spirits with Dr. Gregory Reid

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

Episode 44 brings the Nephilim topic acutely into focus and in the context of our modern time. Our guest this week is Dr. Gregory Reid, an author, deliverance minister, and retired private investigator with over 20 years of experience as a contract criminal justice trainer on occult crimes and crimes against children. Dr. Reid walks us straight into the abyss. What is going on in the spiritual realm? Who and what are the spirits that are searching for a body? We talk about confronting entities on the dark side with a man who does this on a daily basis. We dive into the very real aspects of spiritual warfare, what it's like to be on the frontlines, and what you see when you tread down the road less traveled.   guest: https://gregoryreid.com intro song: The comeback kid by THE MIDNIGHT contact: [e-mail] Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And it seems to barely be putting a dent or a blip on the radar. No pun intended, but I see it there. It's just wild to me. How much this is being disclosed and how much the Navy is talking about what happens off Virginia and all the stuff. And it just seems like people are tuned out. I mean, there's thousands of media outlets and news outlets, so it's hard to know, like, Which one do you trust? Yeah.

Well, they're all saying UFOs are real. Our government's now saying UFOs are real. So something today said that Obama just acknowledged this real. You just can't tell us anything about it. That was on Twitter. That was from an actual news source as well. I did an interview with former president of Barack Obama who acknowledged that the UFO stuff is real,

then declined to disclose anything. Yeah. Sounds familiar. It does sound familiar. Sounds like the company line. Yeah. And we're starting to get into that in our show. So it kind of follows the arc of what we're doing, right, Luke?

And here it is in real time. I know. We've got into all this stuff with a number of guests, whether it be Scott Walters saying they're here and they're working with the government. Duke saying they show up with Bigfoot. Well, that's cool because then it gives us the license. People are going to be like, man, I got to start checking out these fringe podcasts because they're the ones who've been deemed crazy for all these years.

And nope. That's right. welcome to blurry creatures, a podcast where we talk about aliens, bigfoot, giants, nephalum, your one-stop shot for all the weird stuff. But we're out for better answers on this show. And one of the things we've been talking about a lot is the ancient giants and how it relates to modern-day cryptic sightings. And the demons are another clue, like an ancient megalith in the spirit world, something that tells us that, hey, this. lost narrative of the Bible might be true. And if people are being inhabited by these creatures,

that might give us another clue as to how to make sense of all the strange phenomenon happening in the modern day. So we're going to bring on Dr. Gregory Reed, who's had firsthand experience of these entities to tell us a little bit about his story and help us understand a little bit more about the unknown. Welcome to the show, Dr. Gregory Reed. Dr. Reid joins us today to hopefully help us better understand the dark forces in the world. Greg, you have so much personal experience dealing with the supernatural entities that many you guests have talked about on our show. You were in private investigator for a couple decades, focusing on occult crimes,

and specifically crimes against children too. You're an author, pastor, podcaster. You've written 11 books. Deliverance minister. Welcome to Blurier Creatures. Thanks for coming on our show. My pleasure. Thank you. We have a little bit of a tradition to kind of kick off the conversation.

And we ask everybody, there's no wrong answer. What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? What do you think about Bigfoot? Do you have any thoughts on that creature? My outside guess is a real possibility. They may be a strain of Nephilim that has still survived over the centuries. Yeah. I like that.

I like that one, Nate. That's the one I turn to lean to. I have to tell you, though, after this pandemic thing, I was starting to look a little bit like a candidate, so it's kind of worse. Grown a lot of hair, huh? Yeah. Us too, if you can tell. We like the beers over here in this space.

So, yeah, that's kind of what we've been talking about ancient history a lot on the show. We've had guys like Dr. Michael Heiser, Derek Gilbert, and Judd. Doug Van Dorn, Gary Wayne. We talked a lot about giants and the Nephilim, Genesis 6, Deuteronomy 32, all those things, how it all pertains to the Old Testament and the existence of, you know, the ancient giants in the Nephilim. And then the Refi'em. So we've kind of covered a lot of that. That's real excited to have you on, you know, really at the baseline because a lot of the stuff we talk about in the supernatural realm, Dr. Reed is attributed to, to demonic, which is also attributed to the spirits of the giants of the Nephilim.

Yeah. Is that what you think they are? I do. It's been a strange. and long journey for me from a childhood in which these things were very real and present. Demonic forces were part of my childhood upbringing. And it was something that I was familiar with, but not knowing what it was. And after I became a Christian, began to confront those forces firsthand and had to learn about them.

And then over the years, kind of just got thrown into situations where I was having to deal with them with other people without really having, first of all, a real understanding. But the more I studied the scripture and I realized what Jesus had to say, what the scriptures had to say, then I knew that I could deal with them up by hand too. Now, there's a lot of people out there that, you know, are in deliverance ministries and God bless them all. but whenever I hear somebody say, you know, I really enjoy doing deliverance ministry. I'm like, well, then you're not doing it because if you're doing it, it's messy, it's ugly, and it can get treacherous at times. And that troubles a lot of Christians, I guess because we kind of have a, over the years, develop kind of a one in your done attitude about deliverance.

You know, but some of the things we, I was coming across a way, more sinister and more involved than that. And so I had to kind of learn as I went along. But it really wasn't until the last 10 years when I began to study and realized that I didn't know where the demons came from. I knew they were around. I knew when we dealt with them personally, it's like, this is weird because they're like little people. They're like little evil children almost. And we get to a point in a deliverance where we would finally be getting rid of it.

And they would be sometimes begging us, like, you know, whining and saying, please don't make us go. I'm like, this is weird. Okay. But now that I understand a little bit more what I believe about the fallen angels mixing with humans, well, when the earth was destroyed in the flood, those miscreant creatures, their spirits went somewhere. I mean, they could not be redeemed, so I believe they have dwelled on the earth since. And they are doing the same thing that they've always done because they were, as anyone knows, who's studied Genesis 6 and some of the attending literature, these creatures were, I mean,

it was bestiality, it was incest, it was cannibalism, it was the worst of, just way beyond what we as humans have done until recently. we're getting there. But when you realize that they're still here, and that's why I try to tell people, be careful what you engage in, because you don't realize there are creatures that are vampiric that are waiting for a human,

because all they want, all these demons want is one thing, and that's to have a body. They don't care why or how. And I realize the reason that that is is because they used to have one. It makes perfect sense. And now they have all the lust and the evil and the depravity, but they have no human form with which to carry it out.

So their goal is very singular. Once I understood that, it helped a lot in my own understanding of what these things were. Yeah. I know a lot of these topics are very heavy. And I'm sure you probably get tired of talking about some of this stuff over and over again. So we appreciate you being willing to share some of the stuff. stuff because, you know, we don't get into some of the heavier topics on our shows that I've heard you on various podcasts talk about. We, we're more of a creatures-focused podcast, and we talk

about that's kind of our way into. But that doesn't mean that they're not out there doing real evil and influencing society and culture. And when we talk about the giants, most people say that these demons are the spirits of these dead giants. And when you're dealing with these entities, are they talking to you? Are they communicating like you were just like you were just describing using languages or is it? Kind of all the above. Really? I try not to let them talk, which makes me maybe a little bit different than some people that do what's called deliverance ministry because I only see one incident in which Jesus actually asked a question. Now there are some people that have kind of the, and let me tell you, this kind of messes with

some people, theologically, that's okay. I had a real game changer when I wrote a book by, I read a book by an ex-Jesuit priest called Hostage to the Devil, which was the actual transcription of, I think, seven or more exorcisms within the Catholic Church. I'm not a Catholic, but as I read that book, I realized that we had missed some stuff, and it was hard to read this and not be aware that these things operate on a whole different level than we had been used to. They can speak in other languages. They're very crafty in how they try to manipulate humans.

And one of their game plans is to get that human that thinks it's going to make it leave, get them talking, get them interested, get them curious. And then they'll just run them around in a circle for days, sometimes or weeks. and they never have to leave. They're expert liars. They know how to deceive people. So I tend to go in generally as a general rule. And I remember one time one of the demons said, aren't you interested in where we came from?

And I said, I could care less. The only thing I care about is you're leaving this human being. So I tend to drive the point. But if they do end up talking, it's pretty phenomenal that it's so intricate and they're in their own way

brilliant little creatures and they're able to manipulate the human psyche in just a really scary way so it's not something I recommend for everybody that's for sure Greg twice who said that at little people

like and I'm not making a joke Nate I'm just curious I was joke with Nate about the little people, like the Cherokee little people and the little things that people see out there. And that's not what I'm talking about. But when you refer to them as little, is it, are, I mean, you've actually seen stuff? Like, have you seen these things manifest?

And like physically with, I mean, I'm just curious. I have seen them not in a situation with other people, but in that, I guess they have a whole deal about it now, about that waking between waking and sleeping. period. And that's where I believe we're the most spiritually vulnerable and capable of being intruded upon from that world. And I've seen them in different forms in that way. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out. You're like, what am I actually paying for? I don't know about you, but I like keeping my money where I can see it. I like to be simple.

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sleeping in and out yeah you're just not quite there yet that that's what I believe that's where we are the most vulnerable and it's there's a lot of people that have had that experience and nobody's ever talked to them about it so they're kind of

in a lot of fear not knowing where they come from but the manifestations that I've seen have ranged from literally little creatures to really ghastly looking almost human faces with half of their flesh ripped off and that's my own personal experience when we've actually been dealing with people

the manifestations are not as not in that fashion because they're bound to only do certain things they can twist up a person I've seen a person's changed and face change from male to female. I've seen their eye colors change and watch their body twist and contortions. It's almost almost not humanly possible. Wow.

But they're not able to really show themselves in this, I don't know what you call it, dimension in this realm. They're not capable. I'm a pretty sensitive person by nature, and I can't imagine. I can't imagine dealing with this stuff on a daily basis. I mean, it's just, it's hard enough for me to get any kind of altercation with people, let alone ancient demonic creatures. Do you think, I mean, people, on our show, people describe all kinds of demonic creatures,

whether it's dog man, even Bigfoot does evil things sometimes. And what we're trying to figure out is, is this all related to the human story that we're trying to unpack, which goes all the way back to Mount Herman? Are all these, are there just some creatures out there that are just wandering? Or are they connected to these fallen angels? and this nephalum story, you think? Well, that's where it gets a little tricky. And I'm not sure I have all the answers on that.

I kind of sort of, you know, I'm considered the box molder of the spiritual realm because, you know, if this stuff gets really wild. And I'm always careful how I couch the story. But when I tell something that's happened, you can take it to the bank. This is something I've experienced and something that I was personally there for if I say that it was.

And one of the incidents, and it's hard to weird me out, but I actually had a case that came to me from New Mexico, and I had met some people that were in a prayer network up there. And the brother of the lady that headed up the prayer network said that she needed me to go speak to her brother and his family. They lived in a ranch right outside of, I guess it was like North east of Albuquerque. And it was called the Pawaki Valley.

And they had had, and I met with the family. It's a nice ranch house, nice, you know, Anglo family, Catholic. And they told, I said, well, tell me what happened. And they told the story about on, it was on a New Year's Eve. They'd gone down to the neighbor's ranch, you know, a few hills down to just have a little celebrations, full moon. They just wanted to see in the new year with their friends. They came back and they went to sleep and the boy told me this.

He was about maybe 21. I didn't remember the age, but he said, I woke up and I heard the animals on the property screaming. I thought, well, there's maybe a coyote or something, but it would sound like it was just an horrible screaming. He said, I got my shotgun. I'm telling you what he told me, okay? He says, and this is just rational kid. He's not hysterically, I got my shotgun and I always. opened up the front door and a few yards away from me was this thing that looked like a

rock while around steroids and had wings and red eyes and you hear the stuff you just like go on you stay calm and he says I shot it I shot it point in blank and I it just flew off I said it flew off yeah wow okay well that's and then the father says the next day we went down and found out one of our rancher friends down the way the same thing hit his house and it he shot at it and it flew up on the roof and flew away what do you think it is yeah it sounds like a robiler with wings yeah that's that's it's a red-eyed glowing rod rider with wing wings wow that's like that's like that's like the birth of dog man and moth man well it was it was something i had not encountered before but the thing that they told me that was most disturbing is that all of their animals have been killed. All of the blood had been drained. That's like the Chupacobbers stories you hear too.

Well, that was my first thought because it was, and they said the sheriff came out, took a lot of pictures and said, don't talk to anybody about this. Okay. So that's why they said, well, what do you think? And I said, okay, so I'm looking up the hill from this place when I walked in. And there's the Los Alamos lap, okay, on the hill. So I said, I think you got one of three things happening. First two is maybe it was Chubagabara, because that's a well-known legend in Mexico. I really believe it is very definitely something.

First time I'd heard of it in New Mexico or places north. I said the other option is that's an escape from Los Alamos. It's some horrible thing that they were experimenting with. Because, I mean, that's a whole other realm of understanding. I believe that there's so much human genetic experimentation that's been going on. And I've talked to some officials in the Army and people off the record that have made it very clear that, yeah, that's been happening for quite some time. That was option number two. Option number three was I found out that they had a Native American tribe in that area that was a relative to one of the tribes in my area.

It was like the big brother of this tribe. and the medicine man is a skin walker. He's totally black magic. And they hate the fact that all these families are still there on their land. And apparently on New Year's Eve, they had what's called an all-night sing, which is where they closed down the reservation, wouldn't let anybody in or out.

And they had a medicine man did ceremonies all night. And I said, well, I'm not going to rule out the possibility that this is a skinwalker because they can do that. I don't know why they're able. There's a lot of mysteries. You think you know it all. And I'm the kind of person that there's a lot that I know. And what I do know about the scriptures,

you're not going to change my mind on for nothing in the world. Because I believe the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation. But in that context, in this world, there's a lot of weirdness that I cannot put in a box and say, I understand how this fits into the whole thing. that was one of our furry or feathery creatures that was like to this day I'm like yeah I need bigger vacations this is just great it's it's interesting though those kind of like you said the chupacabra those kind of things happen I mean it made me think of like skin walk a ranch right away and some of the things you hear about the happen out there with the livestock and they've seen like big canine things on that property and there's some similarities when it comes to it's proximity to Native American stuff

and places that are supposed to be cursed and it's wild. So I got to touch on something you said. You talked about these genetic experiments that are and have been going on. Can you share a little about that? Because I mean, that's the, what we've been talking about, a lot of the DNA war stuff Nate and I have is it talks about how

towards the end will be like the days of Noah again. And what we know about the original days of Noah was that there was this genetic war essentially where we had this incursion and if we're to assume that that that was the days of Noah and the wickedness exceeded all that and got destroyed that the end will be a lot of the same things right um the one thing that I can say without getting myself in too much trouble as I was approached after I did a lot of like 30 years and just by way of just kind of a fact correction just a little thing I was a private investigator for two years.

And the rest of the time, I was just a criminal justice trainer from, I think, 87 to current. The private investigator thing was something that someone arranged for me, so I didn't get in too much trouble for doing the work without having the license. And then my company that was in South Texas went belly up. So I'm still, you know, just a researcher at this point. All right. One of my classes, it was for, I believe it was for juvenile probation. Afterwards, a gentleman approached me, and he was, had been a lieutenant colonel.

And he told me that he, and he told me just straight out. He says, if you tell anybody, I told you this, I'll call you a liar you face. He said, but I worked in a facility, 10, 10-level facility, where they were experimenting. to do genetic experiments on mentally retarded children. He says, I can't even believe in this country anymore. And then he walked off. I'm just reporting the facts. I mean, he could have just made up the story,

but he was a credible person. And so I think there has been more going on than we can possibly conceive in, which I think is leading to the whole, the whole alien thing is just clearly to me some sort of partnership between powers on Earth some powers in heaven, you know, leading to some great delusion. Can we talk about that a little bit?

Because, I mean, Nate and I, before you jumped on, we're saying how crazy this week is with the amount of disclosure and then how little it seems to even like blip on the radar of people's attention. And yet they're based in the Navy and just come out this just I saw yesterday on the news. 60 minutes. Well, I saw yesterday we're talking about how this has been going on for no less than two years off the coast of Virginia. They're having all these encounters with these.

identify flying objects and we've had guests on that that talked about. One guest talked about how the ETs, as he called them, are here and they're working with the government. And to me and to Nate, where we are grounded and where we come from in our faith is, it seems like semantics. We're talking about, you know, the ancient alien theory just wants to replace the angelic with, you know, these angel or these ETs from an intergalactic. Yeah, whatever they may call it. But to me, it's semantics. It's like we're talking about the same thing. It's just, they just want to remove God from the equation.

I think that's a large part of it. You know, there's such a mixture. And in the work I've done over the years, that's always been the difficulty and the challenge and the challenge that I put forth to people in authority that have to deal with these things

is figuring out what is what is precisely as possible. There's such a mixture going on right now with all of this because we are, it does seem like people are being prepped. for some great reveal of some, you know, alien something or other. I mean, two years ago, we were talking about the possibility now. They're just releasing more and more information. A dozen or so years ago or more, I came across a paper.

It was called, the group is called the 1111. And it is an international new age society that is, that believes that if they, can get everybody in the world at the same time at the 11 o'clock 11 11 11 in the morning and 11 11 at night that they all lift their intentions to the universe that it is going to open up the doors this is just this sounds like wakadoodle stuff like heaven's gate or something right yeah well it's something like that um but they would in doing this they would open up the gates of where they believe that the ascended masters are being held back at this point, which was the belt of a riot. And that through those 1111 intentions or prayers, that they will break down those walls and allow the

ascended masters to come back. Now that sounds really weird, but when you start to look into the Madame Blabatsky theosophistic religion, that's what she taught, and even Alistair Crowley, who's the father of modern Satanism, spent all his time trying to work and partner with a demon called Iwas. And he drew that creature, and darned if this doesn't look just exactly like your basic bug-eyed alien.

Yeah, I've seen that. So, yeah, it looks like a gray. It just looks like a gray. Yeah. Right. So there's a blending going on. And of course, you know, these guys you're talking about Dr. Heiser and Derek and Judd, I'm way, they're way above my paid grade.

But one of the things that I think I've learned from them in the process is, is concerning. And this is part of my study as I listened to them, that the original, you know, you've got Satan, which original seraphene type, Lucifer was this, as the scripture, the Hebrew say, a flying, fascinating serpent. I'm like, well, wait a minutes. you know and somebody properly said that the devil started out as a snake in the garden and ends up a dragon in revelation somebody's been feeding that thing right right but there's something about the whole reptilian element that speak my interest i mean i will say though that you know you've been baptized by the fire and there's a lot of these guys that have had their noses in books their whole life but i mean they they haven't been dealing with this stuff on the front lines it reminds you

there's there that line in goodwill hunting when he's like, you could probably quote me a sonnet, but you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it sounds like your experiences just blow some of these things out of the water because you can read about these things. It's a whole other thing to experience them firsthand. And it's come at a price, as you can imagine. Oh, sure.

I'm not, you know, I don't feel sorry for myself. God's been good to me, but this is a war. I think the evangelist, Mario Murillo, said the Christian, life is not like a war. It is a war. You know, I've realized in the last few years that this was going to be very costly, but it's the commission. You know, you're a soldier, you sign on the dotted line when you give your life to Christ and you do what he asks you to do. And I have no regrets, but it's been a hairy ride. I'm trying to put together in a book right now, especially since the deniers seem to have all of the power in the media right now saying,

oh, there's no such thing as satanic crime. It's all satanic panic and stuff. It's like, you know what? We were there. There's not many of us left, but we were there. And we went through all of that. We've seen things, I've seen things I will never be able to talk about with anybody. And I'm glad most people don't have to see some of the stuff that we've had to witness.

But in that, you're correct. There's things that we've seen that have just been like beyond the pale. And if I were listening to me from the outside, I'd go, you know, I just don't know. I just don't think I want to hear that or, you know, that guy's just way over the top. But I cannot deny what I've seen and heard. Yeah. I mean, and that's the problem. You have this, it almost like you have these two philosophies in the church where there's like a whole army of the churchgoers that don't even believe in Satan or any of these.

entities. It's a problem. And I had an opportunity about, I don't know how long it's been ago, maybe 10, 12 years ago I was working at a church. It was a little spiritual Lutheran church, wonderful people. And the opportunity came up to teach on spiritual warfare. And it was just like a miracle because the opposition I knew was going to be harsh. I was able to teach for an entire year every Sunday. And anywhere between 20 and 30, sometimes 40 people showed up. every single week. And it became the template for the book that I wrote on spiritual warfare. And in a way, I was like, okay, I've done the book.

Now I can give it to people so I can go, you know, take a nap for about 20 years or take a vacation. It's like I gave it at the office. Don't call me anymore. But now, right now, because we're right at the border and all the information that we've known for years has been going on in terms of human trafficking and trafficking in children And now it's all starting to come out in the open. And it's so big now.

15 years ago, we could have stopped a lot of it, but now it's so big it's almost out of control. But with that, unfortunately, comes all the spiritual trappings of what's coming up into the country that is like very, very dangerous and deadly dark demonic religions. And people don't know how to deal with it. Law enforcement can only deal with it from one end. but my concern is there's so many kids who are coming out of this, the kids that are being trafficked even.

When they're rescued, they've already possibly just been inundated with the darkness. And the church is as unprepared now as it's been in my entire life. Back in the 80s, we had a good shot at at least training people. Now they're like, hey, if I'm in my bubble, please don't talk to me about this stuff. Yeah, yeah. What are the, what are, like, when you have those people walk up, to you and they ask you, you know, point blank if they're in their ignorance, just how do you can, what do you say to those types of people when they were when they're skeptical that these things

are real? I mean, do you have a sort of a real quick answer that you give people or a story? Yeah, it's basically, I'm sorry that you don't, uh, they're having a hard time with that, but I'm very busy and I don't have time to explain it to you research it yourself, read my books. I wrote a book. I wrote a book. I'm here. He's prepared. Exactly. You too can do it. Well, in fact, the new book that I'm writing is I know it's going to get a lot of hits because, I mean, and not internet hits. But it's going to really strip some stuff because I'm bringing up a lot of actual case work.

And I'm deliberately hiding the names and places and things for two reasons. First of all, I want to protect the people that I've personally worked with. And secondly, I don't want to deal with the whole, well, where's your proof thing? We went through that in the 80s. And, you know, is all this, where's the proof? And my answer now is the same. I didn't write it for you. I wrote it for the people that need it.

And so I'm having a position myself to say, hey, these are the stories, believe them or don't believe them. I put my hand on a Bible before God that these are the things that I've walked through. And then my associates and friends and pastors and brothers and sisters have walked through. And the skeptics, it's just I want to put a big banner in front of the book. book that says you don't get a say-so in these stories. Yeah. It's our, I mean, I've, I've kind of accepted that with this show that we're, I have a lot of friends, so I know they've gone silent on me suddenly.

Yes. Over the last year of my life, because I think they know where I'm going and they're skeptical. And it's hard for me just to go, you know what? I can't convince these people. I need to move on with my life. And it gets a little lonely. Yeah. Your dinner invitational is, it's pretty short.

Yeah. And it's like whistleblowers, right? They, of all kinds, they have a very hard life because they're committed to the truth. And I think that's one thing I've learned in the last three or four years is that it is warfare. I mean, we're in a war. We're an all-out war. And I grew up in the church and I just didn't, I heard it, but I didn't really understand. How do you go about on a daily basis to keep yourself and your family safe?

I wake up. I get one of a cup of this glorious nectar that God has given us called coffee. That juice, name. That juice. That's right. I sit down at my kitchen table and I open up the scriptures and I stay there until I can feel the strength of God to just stand up and get back in the fight. That is primary for me. in a natural sense

I've had to come to terms with the fact because the threats have been real I'm on a few hit lists and have been and those never go away you know we did the security camera thing for a while at some point I just you can't give into the fear you realize that the possibilities are there

but I think it was AW Tozer said a man is immortal until God is finished with him and I'm I have to come to that I had come to that resolution that the best way I can keep myself safe is to be in the will of God, do what he's asked me to do, not do anything crazy, not do anything that I know I shouldn't be doing, and just keep myself counting on the protection of the Holy Spirit. And I always have a few friends that know where I'm at at any given time and place. I mean, we talk about a lot of the demonic activity

associated with with like cryptic sightings and creatures because a lot of people go missing in the woods in national parks i mean literally just up and vanish and so when you get into the bigfoot space it takes a while for your mind to open up to like maybe there's something in the woods but then there's this whole phenomenon of people going missing and what's taking them and who's taking them and it's not it doesn't sound like people are taking them sounds like entities and or creatures are yeah there may be something that's a whole other realm that i have have to wonder what goes on in those places. I know that we had a moment.

I was up with my family in northern New Mexico, and we were just going to go walk in this area late at night, which was kind of in the park area. And we were stopped by two or three people right there. And they said, you can't come in here. I'm like, you know, I'm kind of a smart. I said, sure I can. You said, welcome visitors.

It's right there on the side. They said, you need to get off the property right now. and like well what are you guys doing that you don't want anybody to see and so that's a human element that may be out there in operating which we've known about for a long time but there's very clearly other things and things we don't know about that we don't have a handle on why people are disappearing hey Greg one of the things you touched on briefly that when you were talking about just just the level of escalation since the 80s and stuff.

One of the things you hear about in circles, and it's always been dismissed, it's always dismissed as conspiracy, but they talk about the elites doing these satanic things and the trafficking of children for satanic reasons and happening in our government, and in these elite circles and in these secret societies. How much that stuff do you think is true?

Or how much you know is true, I guess? I mean, you walked in that space. Well, one of the things that's concerned me since the advent of the Internet is that, you can pretty much say anything and not have to prove it. Right. It was shocking to me when people started talking about the Illuminati because we knew, for fact, that was a real organization.

But we'd also learned enough to know that that in itself is kind of a cover organization. It's the low-hanging fruit of the people that really run the show. We've kind of, I guess, kind of landed, I've kind of landed on the term Luciferians, because it comes closest to describing all of these agendas than anything else. But in fact, they have no name. And as I learned from someone who is a position to know, is that the law of this, first of all, you'll never know who they are.

Probably somebody like George Soros is the closest that's going to be obvious to us. But most of the members will never, ever, ever be known who they are, and they are the elite of the elite. But the law of these people is, The guarantee of our tomorrow is today's perception that we do not exist. So that's how completely off the grid that they are. So there's a lot of information that's true. But because they're so invested in every level of society,

they're very good at doing what our government would call co-intel pro, the counterintelligence. They're very good at getting into a situation where people know too much. and they will plant enough fake information that it ends up being fake news. So it's hard to say, I'd probably say, I'm just guessing maybe 60 or 70% of the stuff that I read about it is probably hyperinflated or probably just a mixture. But there is that other element, maybe I don't know, 25% I'm going to say that's probably true. and that's the deadliest stuff at all. But the thing that I do believe with all of my heart,

and I'm going to wait to see what happens because you may be aware that Jim Caviesel, who played Christ in The Passion of the Christ, is coming out with a movie about a guy that was live on the ground, a person who was rescuing kids from human trafficking. I saw that he's starting that. I've actually seen that, yeah. And the video that I saw where he was talking about it just blew my mind because he knows stuff.

You can tell he knows stuff that he can't even talk about. And when he mentioned things, because I really struggled with the thing about the adrenicrome. We haven't found proof of the adrenachrome, but it makes sense to us that they would be doing that. But when Caviesel actually mentioned that without any equivocation at all, I thought, okay, that's enough for me to know that this is a real deal. Yeah.

And we need to pray for him because you can tell he's been traumatized by him. by even knowing what he knows. And the reaction of the media, I mean, I think tells you that, for me, sometimes that's just confirmation, right?

They're so quick to jump on, you know, all we, Coeasel's in this, this conspiracy theory, this debunked, you know, thing about trafficking

and children's blood. And you're like, man, that's kind of a visceral reaction for somebody just, you know, talking about something that's out there. Yeah.

The old phrase, we think South protestant too much. Right. And the fact is, this is they have, a lot invested in the silence of these things. And so, and I learned from a friend of mine, the way it works in the business world, if you've got someone you want to discredit, there are people that you can pay $250,000 to for a period of time or more that will go in and create a whole

opposite narrative of that person or what they're talking about. And they will create enough downline websites and get the algorithm so perfect that, for example, now, if you, put in a satanic crime, the first thousand sites you're going to get is satanic panic, you know, debunked village folklore. Well, that didn't happen by accident. There was money involved in that because they want these things silent. So whenever I hear, and you'll have to forgive me because at this point, I'm trying to get all these things processed into a book and I just hear these little

gnats in the back of my head that I've had to put up with 30 years of, oh, that's already been debunked. And we know that person was a fraud. And that's the narrative. And that's what they're going to continue to push. And I realize, I can't fight against that narrative. They've got the media. They've got the voice. What I can do is tell the absolute truth as I have witnessed it and pray that it reaches enough people to wake them up to stop listening to that lie and start looking out for the kids. Because here's the difficult and the painful thing. It is easier for us to believe that these things don't happen. And that there aren't people that are so evil, they would do hideous things to children.

But that's the fact. And our choice as believers is we can shut that out and say, I'm going to stay in my happy bubble. Or we can at least accept enough of the truth about it that can't we pray about it? We're not asking people to sign on the dotted line and go into deep heart of darkness and do the stuff. but if we don't have the prayer covering, this stuff's never going to stop and these children are going to remain in bondage. That's part of the calling, right,

is to take care of the widows and orphans. I mean, that's, I mean, it's very, Jesus said, it's very explicit. Like, it may be uncomfortable, but I think that's, that's kind of the point of Christianity is it's uncomfortable. Like, that's,

and I think anyone tells the opposite of that is selling something else. It's, uh, and I think he says I'm interesting, too, that I found true is it, I think the louder the noise gets, the more sure you are, you're over the target, right? I think that's just, it's a proven fact,

especially in this day and age, that when you get that counter noise and you get that, all that buzz, that's, that's, and the pushback, it's usually because you're pretty close to the target. Well, if you throw a rock into a pack wolf, it's the one that gets hit that's going to yell out.

That's right. It's a true. That's a guy like that one too. So I guess my, my, my, one of my questions is I know that, is there something that's stuck with you, like an experience that you had that you, that you do feel comfortable sharing,

the one that, that really kind of helped you understand what you're up against. Everyone who gets into a field of work, it's like there's always that one moment on your job when you're like, that's when the job changed. That's when I knew that I was on the next level kind of thing. Well, there were so many.

I'm trying to, I guess the one that sticks with me, the hardest, a short version was there was a couple of kids who were being trafficked across the border by their stepfather, the boy's stepfather and the girl's father. And the mother, I guess the father was doping her up every night, so she slept all night.

And she just didn't know why she was sick and all this stuff happened. And the children finally told the mom what was going on. She called me. I told them to take the kids to the hospital to get examined, particularly the boy who was out crying to horrible things happening. The doctor came out crying. and saying, I'm sorry, but your son's been sexually assaulted for a long time. And so the mom, I'm trying to get to the short version.

The mom finally got into the system. The dad got in the system. The dad was arrested. It was going to go to trial. I personally spent a lot of time with the children. I dealt with the attorneys involved. They had a really good attorney that was going to put this guy in jail for the rest of his life. as she told me.

And then at the last minute, the, the mother went back to the stepfather, her husband, and the boy got on the stand and testified. He was the one thing they had. And he testified that he said he made the whole thing up. And we lost the case. And it was just heartbreaking because I knew that I knew that I knew the kids were describing stuff that we knew what was happening across the border. the kid had drawn, the boy had drawn a picture of the house where the mayor was coming to engage in these activities with children.

That the person was running the house was a brouhaha. She was a witch and everybody knew about her in Mexico. And we had all the facts on the ground. And we just all we needed was a prosecution to get these kids safe. And we lost the case. And that's when, and I had one of the attorneys on it. She told me later, she said, I'm resigning my job. I'm leaving town.

I want to go somewhere where my grandkids are. I can't do this anymore because we're not helping kids. The courts are not helping kids. We're sacrificing them. And that was the moment where it became so visceral to me because those faces are still in my mind and these little children, you know, who trusted me enough to tell their therapist I was their best friend. And then to walk away from that knowing I wasn't able to.

pull them out, gave me the heart. It's like, you know what? This is the time that I double down. This is the time that I put it all on the altar and say, even if it costs everything, I'm going to do everything I can that God gives me to do to help these kids, to help these children.

I love that, though. I mean, yeah, the two reactions, right? You run or you go to war. And, I mean, kudos for your list of it, for the, you know, for responding to the call. That's, uh, that's heavy dark stuff. I, it's interesting. Um, one, one of the organizations I work with, um, and really give my time and,

and resources to is a, is a human trafficking. You know, I didn't really understand at the beginning. I knew I cared a lot about kids and, and helping kids that couldn't help themselves. And, but you start to realize how, how dark it is. And one of the thing is, Jeremy, the guy that started it and running. it talked about it's just how how much of a target you become for the darkness because it's such a dark

and depraved place that the encroachment of light into that place is just I mean so man I know that I did it from this after meeting you here and hearing this like one of the things we'll do is be praying for you man I know you guys need that covering that's just wild

I will take all the prayer I can guess that's crazy we we we interview sorry sorry Luke no no go ahead go ahead I say we interviewed Dr. Laura Sanger and she wrote a book about the nephalum being tied to the Federal Reserve and she described the character traits of she calls it she she calls it the nephalum a nephalum host as someone who is basically been groomed and trained and helping these entities but but they describe a lot of the similar character these dark character traits do you do you think the nephalum are behind all of this like are they are they? Are they associated with some of these things? Are they returning at some point? I mean, I'm just wondering how far we go with that, but it seems like there's some, you know, when it comes to pedophilia and all that stuff, it's like...

It's hard to tell how that ties into it, but I know that the deeper you go up the line in terms of dealing with the occult world, the more they become aware of the principalities behind what all that is about. And since the opening of the door, doors in the occult world, the true occult world. I'm not talking about the Nambi-Pambi Anta-Veigh nonsense. I'm talking about the real stuff. Requires the spilling of innocent blood

of a child, requires, in some instances, the violation of a child to use them in divination. And that's why most of the top occultists that end up in the criminal system, this has been part of what they do. It's what you do. It's what you're trained to do. It's part of black magic. And this has been true historically. It's been true all the way from the 16th century

when it was tracked with Gilles D'Rei, who was the person who was in love with Joan of Arc until she got burned at the stake. And then he turned to the dark side. And he learned about black magic. And he ended up, I don't know, 100, 200 bodies of children in his backyard. And during that period of time, from my understanding, is when the Knights Templar were betrayed by the Pope, and a lot of them turned to black magic.

And so that's why there's like a systemic thing that's been in some corridors of the Catholic Church for centuries where children, and this was a chilling moment for me. And I recommend the book, like I said, I'm not a Catholic, but I recommend this book because it was so prescient to the Times where it was called the Windswept House by Malachi Martin, same one that wrote hostage to the devil. And he came right out and said, he said everything in the book is true. I wrote it as fiction so people would read it. Because he understood that the credibility limit would be strained by people. But according to this, one of the popes had sent, and I think it was probably John Paul II, had uncovered the cabal within the Catholic Church of Luciferian bishops who their goal was to finally secularize the Catholic Church so it could be part of the secular Luciferian world system. And as part of that investigation, he sent two priests to the United States for a two-year period.

I think, if I've got the facts right, to investigate two things. One, how deep was black magic within, how deep were the black masses in the Catholic Church? And secondly, how big was the pedophilia problem? This was back in the early mid-80s before it really started to come, I think maybe late 80s. And the priest came back and said, it is systemic and they are women the same. and when I read that I said now it all makes sense

the ritual and I mean that in the purest sense of the word the ritual abuse sexual abuse of children was a plan by people were involved in the satanic world to open up those doors of darkness in our world and to give spiritual power

to those who are practicing those things so when I realized that I realized that this is it's way bigger than we can comprehend it's not just about some miscreate priests that they keep moving around yeah hey Greg what I mean there's maybe a real real elementary question I mean maybe I'll answer it already but children is it because of is defiling innocence I mean there's it's it's always kids it's purity it's purity children are pure before God they're innocent before God and they believe that the destruction of the innocence opens up the door to the power of darkness And as one occultus said, the more they can make that child suffer.

We knew this 30 years ago. The more you can make the child suffer at the time of death, the more spiritual power you receive. Well, that sounds like a drainicrome to me. It sounds just like that. I have a 5-year-old and a 7-year-old, and there's been many times in the last year where I just like burst into tears because it overwhelms me of like just the responsibility and just like your heart breaks because it's like. like it'll hit me at times and I just can't handle it. And just hearing you describe this, it's, it's, it's, it's emotional, you know? It's tough stuff special to your parent.

And I, I tell parents because it, we hear this a lot, you know, from the, you know, 60s and 70s parents like, well, I don't want to be overprotective. I say, there's no such thing as to protect you. Yeah. Dang. It's hard. I mean, it's heavy. I mean, we, we talk about creatures and it gets into this stuff.

And people keep sending us these messages like, you know, I tuned into your show to hear about stories about Bigfoot. And you guys do something that other cryptic shows don't do. And I think we're trying to figure out, like, we're trying to get better answers. Yeah. And this stuff is real. These entities are behind a lot of the creatures that people see, like these flying wing demon types. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Real deals. Yeah. And there's a lot of people are looking for answers and they don't get them. They just get the creepy stories and then there's no hope. Or context, right? And that's the other thing too. Right.

Yeah. And then it becomes like whistling in the dark. Yeah. And it's like the stories become fun to a lot of people. You know, it's like the old expression. It's old now. It's not really that old. But it's all fun in games until the flying monkeys show up.

Right. Right. Right. It's all whistling. and it's all, wow, did you hear that really cool, creepy story? A lot of the youth get in the cool, creepy story. And then I'll tell them one of my stories. They're like, dude, stop talking about that.

We don't want to have those ones. It's real now. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm blessed to have been raised, I had a chance to raise a small group of youth who they get it. And now they're on the front lines. And they get it. And they're listening to a lot of the nonsense that's out there.

And the, you know, the whole mega church, let's, you know, do Christian jumping jacks and be happy and yay, you know, your best life now. And they're like, these people really don't have a clue of what's really out there and what we're really called to do. And one of my young disciples is like, why did you do that to us? You just, you ruined us for the, for the fake stuff. Sorry, couldn't help myself. Well, the same thing happens with people who they don't, they'll see like a creature.

They'll see a big foot and their whole world gets shattered. and then they have to kind of relearn everything. And I mean, if you really read the Bible and you read all the weird stuff, there is no room for the Jolo Steins of the world. Not to take a shot at him, but you know what I mean? Like, it's heavy. It's heavy. It's not a rated G book, you know?

Right. And I know we can't live there all the time. I mean, that's something I've had to be very careful with. But I also realize, and that's the cool thing about the scriptures. is that we know from the scriptures that these things are so. There's nothing that's out there that doesn't have a biblical definition. And even when we're talking about the angelic world, I always just kind of smile at people that say,

I'd really love to see an angel. I'm like, you've never read Ezekiel, have you? I do not want to see some multi-wing thing with eyes all over its face that's spinning around in a circle. I don't want to see that. you know, not all angels. Well, angels obviously aren't fat little babies with wings. Well, I mean, you're right, because every time that one appears in the Bible,

they tell people not to be afraid. It's reason for that. Yeah, we forget that that's always like, don't be afraid, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. Yeah, and that's in their human form as angels. Right. That's the angels unawares. We don't really have a grasp. I'm sure in the vast universe, these things have a variety.

I'm sorry about the neighbor's dogs here. that's just ridiculous it's constant but anyway they're excited about the podcast their owners must be coming home or maybe they're seeing something outside that I don't know that's another whole subject cats and dogs you know man they see things before we do no doubt about that that's yeah that's something

with Skinwalker Ranch out there they get the dot the canines out there because they'll see stuff before anybody else does I have a question I mean if someone who's on the front lines and in the trenches of spiritual warfare. We talk a lot about the Old Testament and what's what's behind us, but what do you see ahead of us here as we, you know, because as we move towards what we consider the return of Jesus, and I know that for 2,000 years people have thought there in the end time. So, but we talked about Derek Gilbert a bit about this and he thinks it's sooner than later,

but the idea and what we find in revelation in the scripture is that there's going to be a ramping up of all the weird stuff, the days of know. are going to return. Are you seeing some of that in your work? Are you seeing like an increase in activity, increase in, I don't know, depravity, the spiritual warfare aspect? Are you seeing a lot more of that now or ramping up or more intense or thoughts on that? And the depravity level, I mean, of course, I deal with that from two or three different levels. One is, you know, internet stuff. And then what that's actually happened with children. But I'm finding that a lot of younger people are getting fascinated with the spiritual and the blending in with sexuality is a kind of relatively new

trend. And it started, I think started, the first door that opened up was the Harry Potter thing. We can talk for hours about that. The recent revelation about JK Rowling having the words from the bathenet tattooed on her arm, which they're having a hard time explaining. But that was a no-brainer for us because we saw the way that took the heart out of the church. when that became an accepted thing. But then it was romance stories of vampires and werewolves and twilight. And then it started to blend into people actually seeking after sexual encounters with supernatural beings, which is as old as the beginning of time, the succubists and the incubus.

All of that, it's so blended into the youth culture now that they don't even know what it is that they're doing. The result is you're getting a demonized generation, and it's systemically demonized because all of the sexual boundaries are gone. And these things just shuttle from one person and another, we call jumpers. And that's just they're unaware. But when these things start to be confronted, they start manifesting. And we're saying more and more media accounts where people just spontaneously manifest demonically. And I think a lot of the stuff you're seeing in the woke movement, these aren't just people that are spoiled and haven't. Some of these people are just demonized and they're manifesting.

They're screaming. They're snarling. They're spitting. It's like, yeah, I know who you are. And our concern is at this point because I know in Denmark, I think they passed a law. I think it was Denmark. Finland or Denmark, I think it was Denmark, that you cannot pray for someone to have a demon cast out of them. you can go to jail for it now.

Wow. So as Christians, what are we going to do when somebody manifests if somebody passes the law and says, you can't pray for them. You can't do an exorcism. That's something I've had to think about long and heart because, believe or not, I don't look for this stuff. But if you're walking in the spirit and if you're doing what Jesus tells you, Jesus said, in my name, you will cast out devils.

How in the world can we see our culture, having, when David Wilkerson saw a vision back in 73 and said God showed him there would be a baptism of filth on this world, that was before the internet, how can we not have received all of this darkness in our society without it manifesting in a demonic outward sense? It's about to break loose. And as Christians, we just need to know who we are. We need to know who Jesus is. We need to be willing if the devil shows up in the middle of the night to do what Luther did, is to do. is to turn around and say, oh, it's you again and go back to bed. That's the lack of fear we need to operate under.

But also realize that wherever we go, we may be called on to encounter these things and to extract these things and to not fear it, but to do what Jesus told us. We had all the authority in heaven and earth to do. And a question I have for you is that oftentimes when people think of demonic possession, they think is some Hollywood movie. And it sounds like you're describing something that could be more subtle. It can be very subtle. It can be anywhere between the word possessed is not the biblical word is demonized.

And that suggests degrees. And one of the fights that I try to avoid besides Calvinism versus Armenianism is, can a Christian be possessed? Or as one person said, can a Christian have a demon? And one of my teachers said, why would you? want one. But, you know, the fact is, as Christians, there are levels, demonization can affect any level. I believe the only place that cannot touch in a believer is their spirit. But can it take control of our mind, of our psyche, even our bodies? If we've given ourselves over to darkness in some places, it's a crapshoot. And it's possible that something may affect us to the

I've prayed from several people that are believers that have had some physical manifestation. That's pretty scary. Were they possessed? No. Not in their spirits. But by degree, I've seen everything from what we see in even a lot of believers where something really file or just ridiculously bad will come out of their mouth. And then five seconds later, they'll deny they even said it. Well, that's kind of a form of a demonic intrusion in their speaking life.

I've also seen degrees where I, way before this whole discussion came up in society, I was called on to council with, this is like way back in mid, I think early 80s to counsel with a high school kid. And so I met with him. I was talking when he says, I feel like I'm a one trap to the man's body. And so I started to minister to him, witness to him. And as God is my witness, I sat there and watched as his whole faith. I'm the only one that saw it. I know I was because God gives us those things. This isn't some fantasy.

I watched his whole face turn into the face of a woman while we were talking. It was an overlay. It was demonic overlay, but it was such a clear transformation. I thought, I know exactly what his problem is. This isn't him thinking he's a woman trapped in a man's body. This is a demonic entity trying to break that wall in his psyche down enough that he could get in there and make that. happen. So, you know, it's it is by degrees and I I wrote a couple of chapters in my book just about house pleading for Christians just so they can know that they're not giving the

enemy advantage to touch. We all struggle with everything. We struggle with temptation, we struggle with sins, believers. And but because the demonic world, especially in the world, is so ambiguous that I've known people who have completely given the their souls to say and walk to the altar, gave their lives to Jesus, and never had a single struggle. And then I've had people who played the Ouija port once that got almost 100% taken over. Somebody says they have a handle on how it all works. Please give them my number and have them call me because I don't.

And that's what we've been talking about on our show is just, you know, people hear one bigfoot story and it sounds like an animal. And the next story, it sounds like. something out of, you know, a sci-fi movie. And you never know. It's like, is all the above, right? And you hear enough of these weird stories where you have to step back and go, man, it just gets more confusing and more difficult to understand. But I think the seriousness of, of walking around as a human being is something that I'm thinking about as you're talking. Like, wherever you are, whatever you believe, however you feel, you've been born into a war.

Yes. And you're caught in the middle of it. And it reminds me of Jesus's words, like, pick aside. You can't really be neutral. Because eventually, like you said, the flying monkeys are coming. So maybe we can end there. Like, what do you think is coming in these flying monkeys that you were, you know, it's all fun in games till the flying monkeys?

I think you said that, yeah. Are these things going to manifest in ways that you can't deny coming soon, you think? Is it going to change? Is society getting groomed for, I don't know, feels like something's coming around the corner. I think, and this is just an estimated guess because eschatologically, I know there are certain things we're coming up against the rise of the Antichrist, the rise of the false prophet,

who will do lying signs and wonders, who will give power to the beast through doing miracles? And I think we're at a point now where people are, when you saw how almost the whole nation turned out to see the Pope when he was in New York, almost in a frenzy, you realize when a supernatural event happens, it's like most people will just discard all of their rational thinking and say, I knew it all along,

or this is what I've been waiting for, and I think people are so spiritually deprived, as well as depraved, that anything that comes along and looks like an angel of light, I think we're going to see more and more of that. And if the alien thing is a cover-up, then these things are going to manifest as our helpers who originally ceded the planet Earth

and now they've come back to help us in the next evolution into whatever we're supposed to, the AI, whatever. We heard exactly that from a mason. A mason on our show told us exactly, they're already here, they're working with our government, they seated us, they want us to figure it out. they're rooting for us they're rooting for us

gay humans right as long as God's not involved we're 100% it's the removal of God and that's I mean we've talked a lot about this great with the idea of it's a conditioning for it feels like a conditioning for a disclosure like a full disclosure where there's you know they they say oh we're here and we're here to

we're here to make everything right and that's I mean it's really biblical in a lot of ways because it's like oh there's going to be peace and we're going to we're going to make everything you know we're going to take away all of the bad stuff And again, it's that great distinction. And the earth is a gem, right? The earth is this.

Of course. Yeah. And I think part of the strategy of the enemy has been, at least in my last 30 years, is almost the complete removal of eschatological teaching in the evangelical church. Christians know next to nothing about biblical prophecy and how Israel plays a role. And the second coming of Jesus and the Antichrist. and the last day's deception. And Matthew 24, and the enemy planned it that way,

because when these supernatural events come along, most Christians are going to, I won't say most Christians, but a lot of nominal Christians are going to abandon their faith in a second because they don't have a reference point for something supernatural at all. Right. So when they see that miracle that happens from somebody that's Antichrist, or whatever, then they're going to say, well, I guess we were wrong about the Bible. I guess I were, you know, I guess we could go on for a long time, but one of the things that

concerns me before, you know, take all the oxygen out of the room is that the new Christian progressive movement, which was first started out as the emergent church, which I have written about that a long time ago, and they went even worse in the progressive movement. And they've said this several times that they are deconstructing Christianity and recreating it. That is the exact words that are written on the satanic bothamette, salve and coagula, that we deconstruct or dissolve and then we recreate. There is no question that the church has been so infiltrated with the philosophy of lucifarian religion that when all these demonic miracles happen. A lot of nominal Christians are just going to buckle and say, I guess Jesus wasn't real. I guess this is real.

I've been reading the playbook. I mean, it makes a ton of sense. What we're saying is a ton of sense, right? Like the end has been written. We knows what happens. But if the enemy can make us not, make us forget or not know or remove that portion from the church's teachings, then nobody knows how it's supposed to end. Well, that's why we need to be equipped. Every believer needs to be equipped enough to say when something, I'm not.

I'm telling you right now, if an alien walks into my house, I'm going to point straight to it and say in the name of Jesus Christ, the created heaven and earth, I rebuke you and command you to get out of my house. And I don't think they'll stick around and I don't care how bug-eyed they are or how hard and core they manifest. There is only one power in the universe. And it's the power that's been given authority of Jesus Christ. And that authority has been granted to us. And as believers, if we're going to walk in this mess, we better be prepared to know. and to use that authority that no matter what creepy thing happens,

we know that every knee shall bow, whatever it is, whatever winged, red-eyed thing or alien thing, they must bow the need of Jesus Christ. Yeah, I heard a story. I don't know if it's true or not, but a Christian or I think it was a pastor who got his bed thrown across the room one night and did the same thing. He said, get out of here. And then said, actually, get back here, move my bed back.

And then get out of here. And he said it happened. I could use some furniture. I don't think I'm willing to have them do it. He's like, put my bed back before you leave you. No, but one of the things, guys, there's interesting about that. What you said, Greg, is in the paranormal space, and we kind of tread into that, obviously. There's this big, you know, paranormal's a big blanket.

But there's a lot of people in the space that aren't Christians that know that when stuff gets too wild, like ghost hunters, that they're supposed to, you know, invoke the name of Jesus, and it's, it's wild to me that people don't believe after that. It's, it's multi-layered. We've covered a ton of deception today, but just the idea that the people know that, and yet still don't correlate with that with the sovereignty of God that, you know, that Jesus has authority over all, all things, and all these creatures and the night night I talk about and everything else has to bow the knee and bend the knee.

I think it's important for those that may not know the word because I know not everybody does. There's so much stuff out there about ghost hunting, you know, you need to be careful and not pursue these things unless you know the protection that you do have in Jesus Christ. That's the main protection because salt won't scare them and holy water won't scare them. They'll just look at you like, what? Yeah. So I want to just ask that those things. that may not believe in Jesus Christ, may not know him. For your own sakes, just be careful because, as you guys know, none of this is a game.

Yeah. And I will say since just doing this show, and we were talking about progressive Christianity, like a couple years ago, I got into that a little bit. I was curious. I had a lot of friends getting into it. I came out of music scene where a lot of my friends in music were talking about it. People were curious. They want to know. They have this really modern read.

And then I had some health issues. And it was like, I don't know, I felt like I got broken down where I was like begging for God to heal me because I was just in such a. And my spirit changed. It was like, and I've noticed my prayer life changes now. It's more of a, I need this. Less of a duty where I have to do this. It's like, man, I need my mind is getting all this information that keeps coming at us on this show is getting heavy. and heavier and heavier and heavier.

And it's like, if I don't set aside some time, I can't handle it. It's too heavy. It feels like, man, the ancient history just seems like we've been completely brainwashed. The golden age was purely satanic to the point where, I mean, you just, I couldn't imagine living back then. And then you hear these stories and it's just anyway. So my own idea of prayer has changed just in the last six months.

I think it's important. We have a foundation of truth, first of all, that is, and that has been the assault on the word of God that's come through a lot of these movements. If we don't have a foundation in truth, you know, the truth is what sets us free. God said, I have placed my word above my name, which he thinks it's pretty important. And the truth is simple. The scriptures are simple. And if we have that and also know that we need the relationship,

because it's not just a book. We have a relationship with the God who loves us. And like you, I've had challenges the last few years. It's like, I don't have any answers to this. Everything just feels like the darkness is just getting deeper. But the one thing I know that I know is that Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so. And I have a Savior who loves me.

And it may be simple to some people. It may drive some of my theological friends crazy, because I won't argue with them about some, you know, the this and that. But it's like, you know, I just love Jesus. I love His Word. And it's worked for me for over 50-some-odd years. And it'll continue to work because this life is going to vanish like a vapor. And all this darkness we're talking about is going to be gone.

So we just need to stay steady in the storm. And I think that's a challenge for all of us. Yeah, it's like when you start getting attacked, then it's a different thing, right? You know, if you're no threat to the darkness, maybe it'll just probably leave you alone. But we start becoming a threat to the darkness. It starts coming after you.

Yeah. You don't have time to debate theology, you know? You're just like, you're putting up walls because things are coming at you, right? Exactly. Yeah. Well, Greg, we appreciate your time, man. I know we run a little bit over here, but we, uh,

with, so if you would, um, tell our listeners where they can, where they can find your book. Talk about where they can, where they can reach out and see some of the stuff you've done. have a website or any of that kind of stuff where they can find and interact with the things that you've created. And maybe they can read your book and go out and be a little soldier. So we don't got to call Dr. Greg Reed all the time, right? There you go.

Website is gregoryreed.com. That's R-E-I-D. Gregoryreed.com. All my books can be found except for maybe two of them on. I think they can all be found on Amazon. on. Almost all of them, I believe, are under Gregory R. Reed. And the latest one, well, the one that I think is the most pertinent right now is War of the Ages, a complete scriptural and spiritual guide to confronting and defeating Satan's

kingdom. I have a podcast called Extreme Times, Truth in the Shadowlands, which is rather sporadic, unfortunately, but it's out there. and yeah legendary seeker at gmail dot com is the email you know just welcome anybody that wants to communicate about any of this stuff

be glad to hear from them yeah we appreciate you awesome yeah thank you I know it's been heavy and you know it makes me more thankful that you know I've lived pretty I've been very fortunate

to have not experienced some of the darker things in the world but I'm starting to realize it's out there you know and I appreciate you for for you know having us laughing and smiling and from all the things you've gone through

it's it's you have a you're a tough man you've you've been through some fire and you've come out and uh I can just tell I can just tell it's been a heavy life and I just want to say thank you and thank you

fighting the good fight yeah thank you for fighting the good fight and be in faith you know thank you I appreciate it a lot. Yeah. All right. All righty. Appreciate your time, Greg.

Thanks, man. You bet. God bless. Yeah, thanks. It's funny. One of the things I think I didn't say because we kept going on and on, but about the progressive movement, progressive church. And it's just been kind of open my eyes to this, Nate, is like that we were created

in God's image, right? And, but I think what we're doing, not we, but what the progressive movement is doing is really, it's really to attempting to, to, to, you know, to, to, you're trying to, to, to, to, to, create God in our image that that's what it feels like right it's the it's the idea that we know better than God like oh we got if God really was love he wouldn't do this and if God was really just he wouldn't do that and if it's it's scary man it's like a uh I mean again we come back to deception it's it's you know we talk to Dr. Laura about this and then we just talked to Dr. Greg about this and Dr. Judd all these doctors and Heiser and

Yeah. It really comes down to deception. There aren't a new heresies that the, the lies just get twisted and repackaged and sold the humanity and, you know, we eat them up. And it's as old as a giants, man. Well, I was talking to a friend about this and the fact that when you say that it's as old as the giants, I had an interesting thought the other night. It was like they were there before and after.

You know, the giants were in the earth in those days. and also after that. And the weird thing if you really break down that verse to me is that God wipes them out. But in that one verse you can say, but because of dang free will, they survived somehow, right? So God does what he can do,

but there's still that free will element in the mix, which allows us to do all kinds of crazy things and allows these entities to have I don't know, principalities, you know, domains, dominions,

areas, and they can cause so much trouble. So that dang free will, but it was just that idea that like, yeah, like,

if God is just making everything happen, the Giants wouldn't have survived, right? Right. But like Jurassic Park, you know, them bastards

found away, right? Right. Well, I think the amazing thing about free will is that love is a choice, right?

And so, we were we're not we choose to love god we choose to we choose that choice is also is the beautiful flip side of that of the depravity right and that's why everything i think exists in that balance that it does and hangs in the balance with free will is that you know god knew that you could also choose the opposite you know even after he sent a son even after that old that even after the atonement was done, that you could still choose, you know,

choose the wrong thing. Hmm. Which is a massive mine grenade. The whole thing is. Well, you brought that up in the episode. You asked, you know,

you asked him, you said, you know, you see these people who can see all the supernatural stuff and they, the ghost hunters and they call on Jesus' name.

But where's the disconnect, right? I have a lot of friends who are texting me and calling me and be like, dude, what's with these lockdowns? What's with these mask mandates?

What's with all this vaccine stuff? And I just want to say, keep going. Keep going. Keep asking me. Keep asking me, right? What do you think it is? Well, I don't know. You know, like, is evil real?

Maybe. Yeah. Maybe you're right. It's like, well, where did it? What's the origin story of that? Right. And that's what we're after doing this show. Like, where's all this stuff come from?

Right. You know. And, but even guys who've dealt with it, you know, literally. first-hand experience is still a little scratching their head sometimes. Yeah. And we've dug deep into theology in this Bigfoot podcast of ours. And this one got extra, also got extra, you know, extra Jesus-y, Godi and everything. And that just, I don't think you can, this journey, I don't think you can't get away from that, right?

Like, when you talked about origins, all this stuff has an origin, man, this story, this whole story. Because I think that maybe the interesting thing that Greg said. And I've got to come back to is that in light of all that darkness, all the stuff that he knows to be real and he's seen and the stuff he doesn't even talk. I mean, he doesn't talk about all of it, obviously. He didn't talk about hardly any of it, to be honest, in specifics. He still says, you know, there's still hope. That's the main, that's the amazing thing.

There's still hope, right? The hope of Jesus, there's still this hope in all the things that are good. And I don't want a loose side of that as we kind of, you know, when we get to the creatures and the giants, and all these strange things, there is a real edge of, you know, evil. I mean, I don't know how you avoid that. You know, I know people talk about the benevolent Bigfoot and these different, you know,

I don't know how we explain all that, but I know there's a lot of, a lot of ends up being weird bad stuff, especially with the giants. But I think we, you know, you got to continue to go back to the idea that there's hope. And that's what's great about the human story is there is this hope.

Well, dude, I mean, when you say the human story, I was just thinking, Right, when you wrap that up of like, I mean, you know that feeling when you watch just like an epic film and you feel like it could run through a wall at the end of it? Yeah, man. It's just like, you just come out. Watching Gladiator, Braveheart, except for a cry of the end of Braveheart.

Well, yeah. But you know that moment you come, you, it's almost like you're floating on there when you're walking out? Like, we're just like, man, we're going to hold the fire at the gates, man. Yeah. So that's what the, that's what this whole story has become to me this last year. It's like that moment when you start to see the story, you're like, You're going back and rewatching the movie and you're like, dude, I can run through a brick wall right now.

Because I'm just so amped on this information that I never realized how epic it was. And I never realize how it's the best story that's ever been told. But see, and that's, I mean, it's been whitewashed, man, right? So I think this is what's great about this experiment. And I've got to go back to Heiser again. Like a lot of what this is is unlocking and unveiling. You know, the unseen realm, the, the, the big picture of stuff we don't see. The big thing that, that our ancestors knew, like knew they knew, you know.

Or experienced. Yeah, experienced. And in the, in the Hebrews and Israelites, there's all this amazing supernatural stuff that we're just, you know, there's really ramping up. We're saying, and we just talked about UFO stuff all week, UFO stuff, right? And there's all this crazy weird stuff going on. I think it's easy to try to, you know, separate it all. But really you can't, man. It's all, it's all part of this tapestry, man.

It's all part of the same, same thing. If you don't have context for it, I don't really know how you, and that's what Greg was talking about. I don't know how you put any meaning to it if you don't have context. And that's what the Bible talks about you can be blown, you know, to and fro with the wind if you're not anchored. And so maybe my hope in a lot of this now as we get farther into it is that people just find that anchor, right?

So they can they can anchor back to the truth. And that'll provide context for all these things that happen. The small things, the big things, the weird things especially. Yeah. This one got heavy, man. Like, I don't think I'm crying, bro. I did. Dude, this is the first.

The podcast brought you the tears, Nathan. Well, dude, I mean. You're talking about your kids, man. Yeah. Well, you just can't, you can't feel it all the, time or you'd go crazy. Yeah. Your kids drive you nuts on one hand and then you're crying the next hand.

It's just the weirdest. It's like you're pulling your hair out one minute and then you're just laughing because it's like. And then you're plugging a drill battery into the power wheels and they're getting a Tokyo drift happening in your front of. Yeah, I sent a video of, uh, there was this hack on Amazon. You can soup up your kids power wheels and they were just doing like 360 burnouts in my driveway.

And, uh, see those are the moments where you're just like, And then they'll, then they'll be griping at you and calling your names and you're just like, you got to put them in time out and they're throwing fit. You know, it's just, it's this weird thing where you're like, it's insane to bring a child into this world. Like, but you love them to death, man. And then, like, you know, you sit there and, like, I was going to tell you, like, my kids put on land before time the other day. Oh, my. And I'm, like, doing some podcast work. And they're, like, being quiet.

All of a sudden I come, I walk in the room and they're watching land before time. I don't even know how they got the show on because they don't, they don't ever do that. And it's the scene, man, where the mama's dying. And my kid starts crying, like, tearing up. And I'm, like, in the doorway, watching him watch this. And I started bawling. And I was like, dude, I've just, like, falling apart right now. But it's like this 80s movie, lame before time, right?

And I'm just like, here's my kids watching the show. And I lost it. yeah well yeah what a beautiful picture of like how god feels about us as well i know right and that's how you just got to i mean that's what i do i've always been i've i lean in with my heart and i get myself into a lot of trouble in my life because i feel everything and uh it's always how i've been and i don't you know like i get my feelings hurt real easy but i also can like get that juice we were talking about embrace it bro run with it well that's what i try to inject into the show it's like I fight it because sometimes I'm like I just want to I want to come

across like we know what we're like you know smart we know what we're talking about but then I'm just like man it's not my superpower you know on this show I just think we're we're trying to inject heart into the story of of cryptic creatures and related to the history of what we think is the best explanation right right but we don't half the time we don't know what we're talking about so appreciate you guys listening to the show it got real tonight I like this banter we were just having. But, you know, send us a message, blurry creatures podcast at gmail.com. Hit us up on Instagram.

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It gives Nate that juice. It means a lot. This is labor of love. so yeah you don't have to agree with us either that's what we're you know and we don't have all the answers and they just said that try to bring people on who are smart who have a lot of the answers and we just try to put it all out there agree disagree and different all the same uh we're glad you're glad you're here until next time that's right buddy stay blurry for that time play that time cop for the people they want to hear that play that time cop