Blurry Creatures - EP: 440 Apophis, Wormwood, and Secret Underground Cities with Jamie Walden

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

Why are billionaires building bunkers in the mountains? Why did Germany mandate underground shelters? Why did Russia run a drill to get 40 million people underground in twelve hours? Jamie Walden says... they all know something, and it has a name. Apophis. He returns to Blurry Creatures to connect the asteroid coming in 2029 to the book of Revelation, and to argue that almost everything strange about the last six years traces back to one event. 2020. The Great Reset. Genetic data banks. The push for underground cities. Jamie frames it as a counterfeit ark, a man-made attempt to choose who survives what God already promised was coming. It sounds overwhelming, and it is. But Jamie does not hand you fear. He hands you the gospel instead. The asteroid may or may not be Wormwood. The real question is whether you believe God is good. This episode is sponsored by: https://ruffgreens.com — Get a free Jumpstart Trial bag with discount code BLURRY at checkout. http://blurrygold.com/ — Get a FREE Gold & Silver Kit while supplies last! https://homechef.com/blurry — Get 50% off plus free shipping on your first box & free dessert for life! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:03 Where is Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck to save us? Is an asteroid coming to hit Earth? Jamie Walden is back in the basin. We're talking about why the elites and governments are building secret or not so secret? Apocalyptic bunkers. We've talked about Alanis, maybe an asteroid hit then. Is another one coming? All this and more.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Coming up with Jamie Walden, ex-Marine, ex-first responder, current pastor. And this is really his thesis. What is coming? We have a cataclysm at our doorstep. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to join. The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right,
Starting point is 00:02:48 it's bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern-day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this of Mount Hermann event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Another round with Jamie Walden. We're back in the basement.
Starting point is 00:03:20 There's a lot of questions about like what's going on in terms of like, what is our military doing what it's doing? How do we think about these things? Jamie, you said this is like your kind of your thing that you, this is the soapbox you stand on. And we were talking before you call it polychrisis, this idea of the convergence of changes in the earth. perhaps a coming at some point great, the next great cataclysm.
Starting point is 00:03:43 Then we talked pre-roll as well. Like all of a sudden all these billionaires, the elites are building themselves bunkers in mountains or in different places, you know, above sea level. Maui. Maui is a big place. I mean, all these crazy places. So this is what you talk about a lot. We want to get into that.
Starting point is 00:04:00 So I don't know where you want to kick this off. But part of the view from a biblical standpoint and biblical worldview is understanding that there is a terminus for the way that we understand this reality, right, before Christ returns. Yeah. And he's going to, he's going to destroy the earth by fire, right? As he promised not to do it by water, as he did in the flood, but by fire. So yeah, so where do you want to start this conversation? Where do you begin when you talk about some like poly crisis?
Starting point is 00:04:29 It is hard to wait in. So we'll just wait into it. And we'll see where it goes because, you know, even like the doms, the deep underground military bases and not just military because then that kind of nuances even the language because it's not just about deep underground military bases, which a lot of your guys' listeners would be familiar with. I know Tim goes in a lot of research on that as well, too. But it's not just for military applications. There's actually deep underground civilizations, for lack of a better word, cities, we'll call them super cities. And what's interesting about is it's not unique to the United States of America. It's a collective movement that's occurring right now from all the
Starting point is 00:05:08 world's major superpowers. You can even look at some of the recent headlines that are simple as in Germany, making an official policy that all new buildings in Germany have to have underground shelters or nuclear fallout. They're under the guys of nuclear fallout shelters, Sweden as well too, Finland, Norway, some of the Latvian states as well too. They're all saying the same thing. Russia, not recently, I mean, it's been a couple years ago, but they did different a whole systemic test where they went to see if they could get 40 million Russians underground in a matter of 12 hours and they did it. So like 40, I mean, think of the logistics of running a drill where you get 40 million people
Starting point is 00:05:54 underground and they were able to do that. China is doing the same thing. Even these concepts of the Chinese go cities, which we all hear about. And a lot of people say that it has to do with because of their currency, right? in the yuan collapsing and blah, blah, blah, and they're doing this big old pump and dump with the real estate. And it's like, no, they're not. It's because there's central planners, no and understanding what's coming with regards to
Starting point is 00:06:17 astrocatastrophism. Just recently... No wonder you live in Colorado. Yeah. Colorado and the Ozarks, bro. That's where everybody goes. And Tennessee, you know, so... But you even have the recent revelations from Catherine Austin Fitz, about $21 trillion of black
Starting point is 00:06:35 budget government money. having worked for the HUD, you know, housing and urban development, that they have a dual monetary system within the U.S., dual economies and dual technology and dual healthcare systems, one for us and one for them, the elite class or whatever the class is. And that through her forensic accounting, they locked on at $21 trillion being used for one singular thing. deep underground cities. $21 trillion. She just loosed that, I don't know, six months ago.
Starting point is 00:07:12 Yeah. And so all this is part and parcel to when you think about the bigger macro picture, that worldview of like, let's say the spin up of Starlink or the public, private partnership with now the government co-opting a lot of our space-based stuff with Elon Musk or other different space agencies or corporations out there and putting up this mass grid of satellites over the face of the earth. It's also part and parcel to the planetary defense initiative, Golden Dome, and X, Y, Z, on and on and on. And it's because of particular findings that came out with, well, there's so much here. It's hard now. Okay. So we can go back to 1987.
Starting point is 00:07:54 We can go back to 1987 with President Ronald Reagan's addressed the United Nations, which most people used to mean that he was referencing extraterraterials, ETs, or paraphrasing the quote, he says, I often wonder how quick all of our hostilities or whatever our differences would go away if we collectively faced an existential threat, alien threat from outer space, right? So he makes that comment. Well, when you look at the data from the different space agencies, sorry, flat earth bros, because they don't believe in space, right?
Starting point is 00:08:25 Yeah. So are there cosmology, whatever? It's just different. So a lot of people might even just outright reject this, but that's for another topic of discussion. But they, they, uh, the data started coming out from, from NASA, which we, we know NASA's suspect, but that doesn't mean that you dismiss everything. Science is science, math is math, right? Physics is physics, aeronics and aeronautics and aerospace engineering. It's aerospace engineer. I have buddies that work in aerospace engineering on the vehicles and rovers that are
Starting point is 00:08:59 going on different places. Like, that's what they do full time. And, uh, and so I get to talk to different guys in these different genres or disciplines. Anyways, I digress. But all the data coming out in the late 80s into the early 90s and then reaffirmed in 2004 was that they locked on to a very significant space body, interdimensional space body that's coming not as a planet killer. I don't subscribe to that at all. That's not biblical.
Starting point is 00:09:30 There's no such thing as a planet killer, an Ellie, right, in an extinction level event. But we do have NEOs and PHAOs, so near-E-E-O's objects and potentially hazardous objects. And we know biblically, if you look at, if you take a snapshot of the seals into the trumpets, into the bowls, into the thunders, and you overlay them and you just operate out of them with, we'll say, intellectual integrity. Right. It all reads as a continuation and the effects and after effects of astro catastrophism, of space. bodies and their effects on the earth. So you have the great earthquakes never seen before. You have the hyperv volcanism.
Starting point is 00:10:11 You have the men terrified at what's happening with the seas. You have a changing in the dates of times that gets into, we can get into that later, but like different core disruptions that are already being experienced with the earth's core and how that affects the magnetosphere and how that affects that. We have a third of the trees, a third of the grass, a third of fish, third of the ships being burned up, great mountain fire cast down in the sea, right? Like figs ripen around on a fig tree being the stars from the heaven falling all at one time Sky rolled back like a scroll third of the moon third of sun third of stars darken
Starting point is 00:10:42 Men hiding themselves from the scorching heat of the sun my men hiding themselves in the earth And specifically what it whoa I'm like drooling all over your microphone That's right. You're good bro. I'm a speed competitor problem But specifically what it says like that It says over and over again this singular theme connecting all the aspects of the end of the age is the heavens, the heavens, and the heavens will be shaken and the heavens will be shaken and men will look up and, you know, and so you have this congruent theme in it that it all is all related to astrocatastrophism. The reason why that's
Starting point is 00:11:20 relevant, especially right now, and we even talked about that in our previous episode about some the emerging technologies, we didn't go in deep all the AI and what they're, what we're capable of doing technologically wise now is because they can fake it and they can mimic it. And so people are dismissive of God's move on the face of the earth. This is one of the reasons for the longitudinal sciop of that you may want to, I don't know if you have to edit this out for YouTube, but climate change. I think that's the one buzzword you still can't say, something like that. Climate change or climatology or whatever, this green movement, it was strategically implemented again from an influence campaign so no one would acknowledge God's move over the earth. They'll blame it on man,
Starting point is 00:12:05 so then they'll have justification for depopulation and restraint and carbon credits and 15 minutes cities and all that. Or then you have the Christian Truther movement, or just Truthers in general, they blame it on the government and it's only ever harp and it's whatever and it's weather modification and it's geoengineering. So these guys deny it and they strategically have convinced the Christian Truthers deny it. So, Nobody does business with a holy God who loves them is coming soon. So he literally has to go so far as to remove any doubt on why what's happening is happening. And it all comes from the heavens.
Starting point is 00:12:43 It's other, it's beyond earth. You can't blame the tech bros. And you can't blame humanity, which is, once I does this, one side does that. And so that's why it says like at that time, not only will the earth be shaken, but also the heavens and. the earth. And if you notice, too, speaking at a deep underground basis, when they hide themselves in the rocks of the earth, it says all the men, all the generals, all the mighty men, all the whatever, hide themselves in the rocks of the earth. So we have biblical evidence for dums and all this different stuff going on, is that they know, at that point, they know it's God.
Starting point is 00:13:21 They just despise him. Because it says they hide and they say to hide us from God and the wrath of his lamb. So they know 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt why things are happening the way they're happening because it's godly and it's from the heavens. So going back to the space agencies is pretty much everything that we've seen since the late 80s and in particular these last six years, yeah, six years since COVID has been specifically about apophis and astrocatastrophism. that by the scientific data and the collective academia and scholarship and physics and all on all the smarty pants guys out there is, is that on April 19, 13th, 2029, Apophis and the effects of Apophis and its multi-million mild debris trail are going to affect the earth in ways
Starting point is 00:14:20 people can't even understand. And so that's the centrality of why we've seen what we've seen for the last 30 years. but more in particular, the last six years is when everything's ramped up and we can break into that. Cheers. One of my favorite stories out there in the Blurryverse was years ago I heard the story about this guy who lived in this cabin out in the woods. And at night, some creature from the woods would call his dog's name. And it sounded like he was trying to lure his dog off his porch into the woods. And the question nobody is asking, Nate, is who's actually protecting your dog?
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Starting point is 00:16:55 contractors that i know in minnesota are working on underground military bases in northern minnesota and they've done all the electrical work on them and stuff like that you know and And then we have kind of more, the more, we'll say, hard to prove, but we know the $21 trillion, we know the money. We know the nuclear boring machines, right? We know Elon Musk creating tunnels from L.A. to whatever to test different Tesla's in. And they have these nuclear-powered boring machines that can do the vitrification of the rock as it's going through and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:17:29 We also know for about the last 15 years all the reports of the sonic booms under cities and these your noises and everybody's calling the sheriff and they don't know it. I mean, it has been going at a breakneck speed because the math. That's why it's because of what the math proves out with regards to the space body. And what's interesting is when you actually read their white papers, I say the white papers like their academic scholarly, you know, peer reviewed, whatever that they put out there so they can all pat each other on the back and tell each other how smart they are. But their findings are their expectations of the effects of Apophis read like the book of revelation. I can't, I mean, it's like they talk about in these white papers, they talk about the
Starting point is 00:18:12 smacking of whatever size rock hitting in an ocean, a great mountain of fire saw, Behold, I saw a great mountain fire cast down in the sea. And they say even like how it's going to affect the axial wobble on the earth, and the earth is going to stagger some. And as it staggers, what that's going to do to the hydro conveyors, the hydro conveyors actually dictate what's going on with the jet stream. And then the hydro conveyors in the jet stream, even shifting water from one place to another, can affect things to such a degree that then it's going to trigger huge crustal plate displacement and hypervokenism everywhere. And then with that hypervulcanism, the crustal plate displacement, it's going to fracture underground aquifers. So then there's sulfur that's going to be released into the freshwater aquifers
Starting point is 00:18:56 and the underwater springs that feed the majority of, or that, you know, water the majority of humanity and water crops, and it's going to be poisoned. And when that's poisoned, then you're going to have widespread crop failure. Because what also happens when the asteroid hits the seas, you get a steam conversion, right? And with that steam conversion, it's going to be thrown up in the atmosphere, all these microscopic things and it's going to block the oblito, which is how the sun, we need certain amounts of radiation and different particles for the earth, right? It's going to block it to a degree that it's going to actually block a third of the light needed for glowing. This is their data. Yeah. A third of the light that's needed for growing plants is going to be blocked both day and nighttime.
Starting point is 00:19:38 This is what their data says. And they're like, and then when that happens, then you get more famine. And with that famine, you actually get pestilence because they always come together. But then what happens is because of this steam conversion being thrown into the air is that it can create a counterfeit greenhouse effect on the face of the earth that is going to superheat things in a way that, for one, it's going to thin the magnetosphere. So then you get radiation from that way, which they say you're not going to be able to go outside because it'll feel like your skin's burning. Two, they say the steam conversion, steam molecules are smaller than air molecules, obviously, and they can penetrate your skin and feel like second degree burns.
Starting point is 00:20:18 The book of Revelation says twice about them hiding themselves from the searing heat of the sun, about the heat of the sun, about the effects of the heat of the sun, right? And then with the earthquakes, you get tsunamis, and with the tsunamis, you get this. So it's like they literally, their white papers read identical to what the scriptures say is going to happen and what the effects, the secondary effects of humanity are going to be. And here's one of the interesting aspects of it. This is how they describe it. When I'm saying they, I'm talking about astrophysics and scientists.
Starting point is 00:20:52 They say, and they actually give biblical precedence for this. They use the scriptures to justify it, in particular the judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah. Through archaeological research, they talk about the fire and brimstone, and they say it was an airburst meteorological event that was like it shot the whole. region with a bird shot from a shotgun. And then we have these aspects of this, and then we have people burning this way, and people that, and they go into all this archaeological, scientific detail about Sodom and Gomorrah, even though they categorically reject the Bible. They can't disprove science is what the science is, you know?
Starting point is 00:21:31 So with regards to Apophis, they say that wherever the earth is at on its rotation, as we, so the big space body comes through, right, and then you have these, multi-million mile debris trails, several million miles wide, lots of millions of miles long of just rock, gas, ice, whatever debris trails, and all these different space bodies that are pulled in behind it. And as the Earth is, wherever the Earth is at is on a rotation as a Pophis comes by, and then that we go through that debris trail, this is what they say, I kid you not, you can't make this stuff up. One third of the Earth, it will be like it gets shot with a shotgun with birdshot from all the debris and it will look like there's fire raining down and all these rocks
Starting point is 00:22:19 raining down and giant hailstones with ignitable gases contained within them that are going to fall on the earth too and it's going to cause widespread forest fires and grass fires and whatever fires along with another bigger space body that's going to if it hits the land this is what it's going to do if it hits the sea this is what it's going to do so their modeling says verbatim what the book of Revelation does. And now we can look at it, you know, objectively, their positioning and they're posturing to prepare for it looks exactly what the Bible said they're going to do.
Starting point is 00:22:53 They're going to try to get off Earth, Elon Musk, and they're going to try to go in the earth. Obadiah 4-4. Though you set your nest among the stars, I'll bring you low for judgment. All this colonization stuff, all this whatever, they know. And so it even gets into monetary,
Starting point is 00:23:09 our modern monetary money theory. and our policies spin into oblivion. This gets into the Great Reset. Why the Great Reset? This gets into why the cancel culture and the consolidation of media during COVID. This actually gets into the consolidation of supply chains. It gets into the consolidation of the PCR test and 23andMe.com and genealogy.com they're creating a genetic arc.
Starting point is 00:23:32 It also gets into transhumanism. It gets into the Solvard seed vault, why they are storing all these heirloom seeds and whatever. And it also gets into why there is. currently troops being pre-positioned, not just here, but all over the face of the earth, under the guise of civil unrest. Why there's mobilization of assets, why there's moving of assets, why are they spinning up and federalizing, you know, like ICE agents or whatever the case is and creating mass amounts of federal troops and 84,000 IRS agents and all about, and then like the pushing out of National Guard troops and the moving assets there and moving assets there.
Starting point is 00:24:07 All of it has to do with their findings that they discovered when they were, ran a simulation in 2018 from the planetary defense coordinator's office what their findings were. And ever since those findings came out, we had within three months, Trump stands up Space Force. Within six months, we have Event 201. Within eight months, we have the COVID pandemic where they did consolidate everything and get everything consolidated based on their findings. And then within a year and a half of that, we have an incessant, insatiable push for World World War III because they must have a particular amount of global depopulation based on their findings from the simulations that they ran in 2018 and 2019, they have to have a certain amount of
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Starting point is 00:27:00 reasons, too, I think they're withholding a lot of the advanced tech because they know what's coming. They all know. Not all. I can't say that. That's a hypergeneralization. A select group knows exactly what's coming. I think a lot of lower level scientists don't. I think a lot of the astronomers don't understand. I think a lot of the tech guru guys don't understand. You know, the engineers and stuff, everybody's compartmentalized, right? But there is a particular group that is so aware to what's going on that they have been making preparations for 30 years. And they just, as the, as it gets closer, the math gets more refined. Neodegras-T Tyson speaks about this, about Apophis a lot. When he talks at MIT, you can go watch those
Starting point is 00:27:42 online. A lot of people are talking about Apophis. Mainstream media is talking about. autophosis, that they, now that the data has been refined since about 2018, everything has gone gangbusters for one singular event. That is mass depopulation in a great reset of everything secondary to this event. Hmm. Ooh. Well, on that note, it doesn't like a happy, I'm not going to, happy talk about it. I don't think I'm going to buy that vintage truck that I was thinking about getting into.
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Starting point is 00:28:28 It feels like Armageddon. They put a nuke on the big. Oh, dude. No, for real. Like, we can even get it. So this is why what's so crazy about, you know, what's broken out. They have space generation advisory councils and these different... The big thing, if people want to go dig into this stuff on their own is,
Starting point is 00:28:45 planetary defense, planetary defense initiatives, European space agency, NASA-based stuff, private sector. Because they did this simulation in 2018, they ran a simulation. Then in 2019, in May of 2019, they ran another simulation about, and they used New York City are really the East Coast in totality as their example, as their think tank, right? Which we did all the time. We do that in the military. You do that first responders. These are good things.
Starting point is 00:29:13 There's nothing conspiratorial about it. It ought to be like, good. At least our government's thinking about these things, right? Like, how do we do this? How do we handle it? And actually, believe it or not, contrary to the Christian truth or movement, is there are good people out there in government and these agencies that are working hard to figure. They don't understand the global elite freak show luciferian occultic stuff. They're central planners.
Starting point is 00:29:36 And they're like, how do we prepare for these events? How do we mitigate stuff? How do we actively prepare and stockpile assets? That's, you know, like I was in on these things all the time. And we're working with FEMA and DHS and different things when I was in that first responder field. So it's a good thing. It's a good thing that they actually are considering these things. But they ran a simulation, a five-day simulation.
Starting point is 00:29:59 And I can't remember. I could read to you all the agencies that you in Office of Outer Space Affairs, right? And I don't know, all these different agencies, obviously the FEMA and the DHS and all those guys. And you think this is going to happen? 100%. And the only reason why I say 100% is because, again, it's biblical. So I won't ever say 100% if it's not biblical. Is this the wormwood of Revelation?
Starting point is 00:30:27 That's what, so the late Tom Horn, Dr. Tom Horn, you know, he's really done some seminal work as far as aggregating the information with regards to Apophis. He has the book, the Wormwood Prophecy. also the messenger is a fall-on book and he's done before the Lord drew him home he did a lot of other great research on it and there's a lot of other talking heads out there that are way more uh whatever academic when it comes to expounding on this stuff than what I am but his presupposition Dr. Tom Horns is that it is the biblical wormwood or we'll say high index of suspicion nobody can ever say whatever. that it is a biblical wormwood. And so that's why it's significant because they're saying didactically, academically,
Starting point is 00:31:18 that it's, you know, in April of 2029, well, depending on, I know there's always going to be competition on people's interpretation of scripture, but the most generalized held belief is that wormwood comes at the midway point of the tribulation. So three and a half years in, right?
Starting point is 00:31:37 Well, you back up three and a half years. That's right now. It's right now. Which is interesting, too, when you take into account different aspects of, like, let's say, the Asean calendars or things that came out of the caves of Qumran, right, and the Dead Sea Scrolls. And Josh Peck does a good job expiring on that. Dr. Ken Johnson, a lot of other, again, scholars. I'm not a scholar. I'm a researcher.
Starting point is 00:31:57 It's totally different thing. And they break into that, too. And they're like, 2025 is the end of the age of grace, the beginning of the final Jubilee, where all these things have to happen. They're like, that's what they're saying. Then you have space agency saying, this is happening here when that's saying. Then we can look at our world around us and go from the AI to the 10 kings coming on the scene, I believe, are technocrats to the, you know, impending World War III to the great reset economically over the face of the earth. And their ability to counterfeit omniscience and omnipresence through technology, right? So B system tech and all that, everything's in play.
Starting point is 00:32:35 like everything's in play at one time and actually it's all coming to play in just the last five years. Everything came online, you know. So when you talk about the planetary defense system is, are the nations of the world attempting to essentially create space weapons? I don't know how to put this to sort of to try to deflect, try to neutralize a lot of what we would hypothesize is coming, going to be coming into, the atmosphere coming into our our space with the arrival of this space body? Yeah and that's
Starting point is 00:33:14 what that's the big thing is really beginning after that after that simulation in 2019 so 2018 they had the think tank right and they're like okay what's this thing you're doing? 2019 they run they ran a simulation
Starting point is 00:33:29 here I just found it in my notes it was NASA Center for Neo at JPL, NASA's planetary defense coordination office, FEMA's response operations divisions, European Space Agency's planetary defense office, international Academy of aeronautics planetary defense conference was also added to it, and they all ran this simulation. And what's interesting is right after they ran this simulation, I'll go into their findings here in a minute, is when they did their dart mission. Have you guys heard of the dart mission? So it's a double asteroid redirection mission is what it's called dart.
Starting point is 00:34:04 and they actually took a satellite and they changed the trajectory on it, hit its little jets on it, and they smashed it as fast as they could into a, into a, I can't remember for it as a common error asteroid because they're all different, right?
Starting point is 00:34:21 Meteor common, they're different. So we'll just say comet, asteroid, whatever. They smashed it into it to see if they could move it off course because it was a, they said this is a practice run for Armageddon and it was successful.
Starting point is 00:34:35 So right after they had this simulation, they throw up, you know, some satellite-based, space junk, and they ram it into an asteroid to see if they can move it off course. It worked to a degree. Then, after they did this, is when, have you guys heard of Astroforge?
Starting point is 00:34:53 And Astroforge is one of many, but now they've done the private, public partnership with quote-unquote, asteroid mining companies through these hyper-space tech bros, along with SpaceX and whatever Blue Forge or whatever all these different space agencies are, with the explicit plan, I will say,
Starting point is 00:35:15 the cover story of landing remote-controlled objects on asteroids to drill down into them with our terrestrial-based drilling operations like you would in oil and gas or whatever, so that they can extract rare earth minerals because there's quadrillions of dollars on these asteroids of rare earth minerals. That's what they say. It's called Astroforge.
Starting point is 00:35:36 But they said, and we also have a secondary mission set, which is, can we drill into them and plant nuclear weapons deep inside of them to break them apart in case there was ever a earth-threatening object coming from outer space, Armageddon. Bruce Willis. It's Bruce Willis. So. All right, real quick, before we keep going. I don't want to miss the thing.
Starting point is 00:35:58 Yeah, I don't want to miss. I don't want to close my eyes. I got to know Do you actually have all the parts Of Crossfire Day? Because that is a most legit game I got for Christmas one year It was the greatest thing
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Starting point is 00:36:20 It's the game I see when we're doing this And I often think we're in the Crossfire Do you're in the Crossfire It's just like yeah It's just like the It's a spiritual metaphor of being stuck between heaven and hell and all the asteroids and the aliens
Starting point is 00:36:34 It's the crossfire, bro. It's the crossfire, man. It's a super soaker, you know, like we're just getting fire hose with information. You know, I think we all land here. Like, we open up the fridge at 6 p.m. Kids are hungry. You're hungry, and it's kind of a loss.
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Starting point is 00:38:40 We were sort of joking about this, but like Bruce Willis, but this is what they're. So I mean, well, let me add this to it because because we were talking about this off air when we took a, we took a potty break real quick. But is that pop culture, which we know all the time, right, if you can get in a predictive programming and Operation Mockingbird, all this stuff, all the CIA assets within Hollywood and tech industry stuff. but is that pop culture has been being used to nail this singular agenda for a very long time, a very long time. If you remember the movie Deep Impact, because I'm going to get into the findings. Yeah. Okay, you have the movie Deep Impact. You have Seeking a Friend for the End of the World.
Starting point is 00:39:25 You have Armageddon. You have 2021 or 2012 or whatever. Yeah, the day after tomorrow. you have oblivion, Elysium, Elon Musk, blah, all these different movies. But in particular, our most contemporary one is Greenland. Both Greenland 1 and Greenland 2. Isn't it interesting that Greenland is all you hear in the media? Isn't it interesting that in a movie Civil War, that movie that came out, Civil War,
Starting point is 00:39:50 that was recently produced as they're assaulting the White House. And so there's a lot different layers of stuff. What's about Greenland? What's significant? Well, because Greenland is where one of the most significant deep underground military. bases are. But the movie Greenland is about the asteroid that's inbound and nobody knows except for the government and they make wide-scale preparations. That's out already? Yeah, that's what Gerard Butler. There's a second one. Yeah. Gerard brother. So continues. You got to see. So what's particular
Starting point is 00:40:20 about if you look at both defect in Greenland, not like we reference Hollywood for information, but they steal from reality. It's 100%. So in both those, the government knew, that this asteroid was coming on and they had astronomy blackout and scientific community blackouts for decades because their findings were that the human chaos factor, this is my word not theirs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:46 The human chaos factor was of greater threat after their simulations than the effects of the asteroid itself. Both those movies, they show that the government knows and makes preparations at a wide scale, hardcore level for decades, before the public is allowed to know,
Starting point is 00:41:05 they can't know until it's visible in the sky. Nobody tells them until it's visible in the sky. In both those movies, they have a lottery system in order to preserve particular people with particular skill sets in deep underground military bases. What's interesting about that is that the scientific community, there's always high-level assassinations for anybody that starts leaking, trying to warn the public that they know what's coming.
Starting point is 00:41:32 and they hate the government oversight. They hate the governmental control and they want to warn the masses. Anybody see what just happened to that Caltech? Exoplanet scientists? Just killed on his front porch. Just killed on its front porch. And guess what he was studying?
Starting point is 00:41:45 Asteroids. He just got killed on his front porch, you know? And so, I mean, that was what, three days ago, four days ago? I mean, it's been super recent. I didn't hear about this. Yeah. Where was I? And so because of their findings,
Starting point is 00:42:01 when they ran these sims, simulations and their findings were that this was from their simulation. They tried to redirect it. Remember, they've already done that. It failed. They tried to drill into it and detonate it with a nuclear weapon. It failed. This was their simulation, I'm saying from 2019.
Starting point is 00:42:18 They tried to evacuate people from all the cities. It failed. There was too many people, too congested. The road shut down right away. It's just like one of those movies, dude. Everyone's trying to get out. They tried to, they tried these different aspects. They tried, which, believe it or not, this is in their documentation, gravitational
Starting point is 00:42:37 tractor beams. They must have that capacity because they tried it in the simulation to lock onto it to actually pull, like all as you need is a degree or two, right? And then it's, by the time it gets here, it could be millions of miles off course, failed. So every attempt that they tried to deflect or break apart failed. All the attempts to protect human. So they're actually altruistic. Believe it or not, they're trying to...
Starting point is 00:43:03 Not even Stephen Tyler could save him. Yes, not even. He and I couldn't. So he didn't... Ben Affleck did, though. Where's Ben? Yeah, Ben will do it. Get him out there.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Or your favorite, dude. Keanu? No. Swayze? He's going to light the fires and kick the tires. Randy Quaid. Randy Quaid's who would get up in the biplane. He could take it out.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Derek Zoolander. Dude, Derek. He could... Randy Quaid will probably do it. I'm minister in Malaysia. Bad. I'm bad. Child labor good.
Starting point is 00:43:38 All right. I mean, I heard Elon talking about blowing up asteroids, so. And that's where you get into that private partner, our private public partnership. Well, he has this communication that he throws out randomly that, like, we're doomed. Uh-huh. And it's like, what's he talking about? Well, everybody takes it as political. And that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:43:56 It's like it feels like the low-hanging fruit or the ease. the answers. He's just talking about political things. But, I mean, so if at 18, Jamie, these simulations all fail. Yeah. I mean, we're sitting eight years here past, past those SIM dates. Are they, I'd imagine they're still working on solutions, right? To try to, as there's survival solutions. And then there's probably the mitigation as far as moving, moving this space body or deflecting it. So the solutions that they're working on are for them, not for us. Sure.
Starting point is 00:44:32 Not surprising. B off. That's one of the reasons for Golden Dome. So all that language shouldn't be lost on people. So it's also, again, because of their findings, one of the reasons for the transhumanism. Because they're looking at the effects of solar radiation on its mutation effects on the human genome. Because it does. Everybody knows that, right?
Starting point is 00:44:54 Ginger's are immune. What's that? Ginger's are immune. That's quite the opposite. That's what I heard. You guys go first. Yeah. Yeah, actually, sorry.
Starting point is 00:45:02 We're done. We're done for. Yeah, we're done for. But so, and then, and then again, I already addressed it, but like the genetic data makes, the PCR test center of COVID-19. Okay. But I digress. One of the reasons why we see what we see going on right now, even with this gnarly depopulation agenda. And when I say people think depopulation, they're not realizing how nuanced it is and how long,
Starting point is 00:45:29 longitudinally strategic it is. Feminism is about depopulation. People don't realize that. That's the singularity of the feminism movement out of the Tavistock Institute that was ushered in to our pop culture in the 60s. And the drug culture revolution from the Tavisox Institute was for population control because you pull women out of the house and then you elevate different career pass or whatever that they want to choose or less like they have children.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Same thing with the free sex movement. So even the sexual revolution was, yeah, you have your demonic aspect of it as a perversity, but one of their stated goals was the depopulation over three generations, how reduced they could keep the population. Because when you're more promiscuous, you're not going to settle down. You're not going to have kids. You're going to use protections. Then you get into the birth control aspect of it. And then you get into the LGBT aspect of it.
Starting point is 00:46:24 Although, again, lots of occultic overtones as far as with the LGBT movement. study that they did with the mice and they gave them everything and then they stopped they stopped reproducing you have you have a they call it like a population bomb or a non-viable population within one generation yeah yeah it's interesting yeah i mean so you have all these siops and you have coordinated efforts and you have you know sort of like the messaging the tech it's all kind of trying to depopulate. And that's that macro. That's why we got to get to that macro. Because then we don't understand the nuanced of the why. Like why the infighting, why the tip for tat, why the cultural revolution, why the insane monetary policies, why the ridiculous foreign policy?
Starting point is 00:47:12 Why are we obsessed with starting a limited nuclear war with Russia and with China and with Iran? Like we won't stop. They haven't responded to any of our efforts. We just keep push and and push and push and it's like, and then why, why the thing that people took in their body? Why, where did that? Yeah. It came out within six months of these findings. Sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:37 And if anybody's ever read the finding, which most people know, I mean the scientific data from the thing, is that it specifically embeds in the lipids of the ovaries on women at a rate that's beyond comprehension to create long longitudinal multigenerational infertility. That's why. God. It's like and because their findings, their findings were, right? We kind of talked through. I know I'm not sticking in the notes or anything, but there's a lot of detail.
Starting point is 00:48:07 I could get in all the details, but I might just mind numb your listeners. But they, their findings were at the conclusion of it all, nothing worked. They couldn't get the people out. So what they needed to do, remember this is 2019, they needed to consolidate all forms of communication so no disinformation could get out. They needed to be able to lock down the internet and forms of communication over the internet. Remember the cancel culture thing? That was all preparation for this thing so that no disinformation could get out because it would spook panic before the time occurs and it will lock down critical infrastructure. They needed to consolidate all forms of supply and supply.
Starting point is 00:48:48 chain and distribution. So you needed to monopolize things and cut out all the mom and pop shops and you need to control all lines of, remember 2020? Yeah. This is where everything happened. They're like, okay, then you need to create a genetic data bank for the viability of the human species after the fact. Remember the PCR test?
Starting point is 00:49:09 Yeah. All the PCR tests have been collected, right? And then they said, then we need to have, we need to consolidate government. Not just nationally, but internationally. We need a global consolidated governance that can navigate this huge collective cataclysmic event that everybody will experience. We need to consolidate government and government decision making to a few top heads. Enter the 10 Kings or whatever the case is, right? So in global governance, these were all their findings.
Starting point is 00:49:43 And then they said, and now this is where I'm speculating. Okay, so I'm transitioning. I always want to make that qualify. Well, I mean, before we get in that, just you're bringing a lot of receipts to all the things that we've been thinking about. This is like a high-level conspiracy theory kind of conversation. I think all the things we've heard over the last 400 episodes, I keep going, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Is that what's happening to your brain, too?
Starting point is 00:50:07 Yeah, yeah. It is that. And then you realize that, like, what's dawned on me is that this is like, this is like the inverting of the, flood story, like where God said, put Noah and all the things he needed on a boat to preserve humanity, it's the flip of this is happening now, which is a counterfeit. It's a counterfeit of that where they're creating their overall intents and purposes an arc. It is. Of genetics. They call it an arc. Yes. They literally call it an arc. But they choose the people. Yep. They choose what happens. And it's just to escape. Interstellar, too, the movie Interstellar. All of them. Yeah. And like all, I don't
Starting point is 00:50:46 and all the Matt Damon movies and all these things. So they keep showing you the same stuff over and over and over again, man. And because, okay, because this was their conclusion. Yeah. There is too many people to deal with. There's no stopping the outcome. All attempts to avert it failed. Evacuation and emergency preparations failed.
Starting point is 00:51:07 That's what they're a conclusion. Here's my speculation. That's why you enter the depopulation agenda, which began in 2020 at a break next speed. Too many people to save. Too many people. So I'll tell you this. I'm not saying I agree with this. They actually believe, I read their white papers.
Starting point is 00:51:24 Like, I read their, all these stupid academic stuff. But they actually believe they're altruistic. Sure. They're not like, we hate humanity. Some do. Hillary Clinton, whatever. There's always going to be some that do at the very, but these scientists, these kind of, they're not actually anti-human.
Starting point is 00:51:45 They're pro-human. They're pro-human, but it's a perverse dialectic. They have a skewed, corrupted, perverse dialected by the powers of darkness, infiltrating them. So they say, then we need to depopulate. Then we need to sterilize. Then we need a carbon credit. Then we need a 15-minute city.
Starting point is 00:51:59 By the way, the whole push for EVs came out right after these findings. Why? They can't have people roaming the interstates and the highways. You need them locked down because you clog the critical infrastructure. Now the elites and the central planners can't. move assets. It's about the functionality of mobility, 15-minute cities, the functionality of all these things came out as soon as these findings were released. And if you notice, it's a global effort. This is not unique to the United States of America or to the West, to Europe and the
Starting point is 00:52:31 U.S. There is a global effort. Every central planner and every nation is doing the exact same thing at the exact same time, exact same thing, because they all understand this is what's coming and how do we actively prepare for the aftermath? So a lot of this is directly linked to what's going on with the emerging tech, to what's going on with the humanoid robots and, you know, population displacement and a career field displacement and the genetic displacement and the genetic alterations. It is all interconnected and it is all the singularity of Apophis. By the way, Apophis, they didn't pick that name by accident. It's the ancient Egyptilobal. chaos dragon.
Starting point is 00:53:17 What's interesting about... It's a Leviathan. It's actually Leviathan. It is what's interesting about it. The magic dragon. We don't want this one puffing this. They live about the sea. But they...
Starting point is 00:53:29 They wanted to... Dude, they wanted to... What's interesting about... Sorry, we're very highbrow over here on this end. Oh, dude, that's crazy. You got to make... You got to have fun because it's just so... Otherwise, it's just dark.
Starting point is 00:53:43 Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's just... Does Bigfoot survive the Pophis? That's the big question. You probably does because they lived out in caves. It's out of, it's just like out of what about Bob? It's like, oh, man. It's death therapy.
Starting point is 00:53:55 I am going to die. Yeah. You are going to die. Death therapy. What else is there to be afraid of? I'm all tied up and knots. I'm all tied up and knots. Baby steps, undo your knots.
Starting point is 00:54:04 I got to undo the knots. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it makes a lot of sense. Um, and I think that, you know, God's in the business of telling his people. too. Yeah. Like it's not just the occult gets to know. God always sends his prophets to tell the truth and people warn the people. But, you know, some people listen, some people don't. No. And that's what's crazy. If you think about the amount of scriptures that are specifically dealing with
Starting point is 00:54:34 earth changes. It's the vast majority of scriptures with regards to the judgment, you know, the judgment of God or the wrath of God coming on the earth. It's about earth. It's about Earth sciences. But we've had so many cries of wolf. That's the problem. It is. Yeah. And again, like I kind of started out saying, like, that's why you have the green movement over here. It's humanity. Kill them all. Because they're carbon. So when they say, get rid of carbon, they mean you. And then you have the ones over here going, it's all the government. It's the government's doing. It's like, no. Like, yes, but no. Like, yes. I know. Yeah, we have ELF weapons. We have earthquake trigger. We have tsunami
Starting point is 00:55:14 We have the ability to steer the jet stream, right? Like we can jack with the hydro conveyor. We can superheat spots in the ocean. I get that. We can do that. But what's coming is beyond that so that no man can have an excuse. Are they testing? So is that kind of like why you think there's weather modification stuff going on, all the chem trails?
Starting point is 00:55:36 To a degree. I'm not sure all what their agenda is with that, but there is a degree of terraforming. And I don't know, you know, I haven't seen the data, but I do know from some of it that there is efforts to terraform in a particular way because they know that the changes that are coming. And a lot of it has to do, it's called the magnetosphere and the magnetospause, right? And when the CMEs, the coronal mass ejections come from the sun, it's effects on the earth. And one of the effects in particular is what it does to the core. I don't know if you guys saw the news articles that came out, I don't know, maybe three months
Starting point is 00:56:14 ago, six months ago now, about the core changing and it was changing time by microseconds, but they said it's actually, we have to change clocks. And I don't know, too, if you've seen all the stuff on the mega, not pole flip, I don't subscribe to a pull, but the pole drifting to where they're having to change GPS coordinates and even the runway headings. Because runway heading, runway headings for airplanes are dictated by Magnetic North, right? Those are headings. that you, but the pole has been moving so much so fast that they're having to repaint some of the runways. I don't know if you've seen two where particular airplanes have dropped out of sky, a lot.
Starting point is 00:56:55 And they're not reporting, not all of them, some of them, they're saying it's because of the geomagnetic storms that are being kicked off the sun because of a Pophis or another space body that is coming near and triggering it. And it's literally knocking out avionics of these different guys. Also, one of the unique aspects of it, which. I believe that this is very particular to prophetic fulfillment as well, too, is its effects on creation and specifically all mammals, including human beings, to excite hyper, anger, and uncontrollable rage because it has neurological processes because it's EMF, right? It's electromagnetic
Starting point is 00:57:33 fields and forces that are coming from the sun. And as it affects our magnetosphere, then it penetrates deeper and affects other things. I don't know if you guys saw it too. they're like, there's a superheated blob in the ocean off the Mediterranean and it's like bubbling bathwater. It's because of what's going on with the Pophis. Like the effects are already happening and people, all the governments know and that's why they're making these plays. The earth, everybody, why do, why do North Carolina, the outer banks got three feet of snow?
Starting point is 00:58:04 I live in the Colorado Rocky Mountains. We've had none. Yeah. All in or none. And they're like, something's off. And everybody, extreme weather, extreme hurricane. hurricanes, extreme earthquakes. It is happening, but nobody's connecting the dots. And it's all happening because something wicked this way comes. So what do you, what do you, as you lay out this,
Starting point is 00:58:26 you beat this drum. This is a lot of what you're, you talk about, a lot of your ministry, a lot of the videos that you put out and speak, the speaking engagements is about this. But how do you, how do you, then how do you speak to Christians then? Because if we're to open our eyes to this and understand this, Like, what do we do with this stuff? Like, because it's, it does feel like one of those movies where it's like, here comes the end. Like, how do I, you know, how do I save my family and myself and these kind of things? But also we know that it uniquely ties into the book of Revelation and the end, the end of the age, right?
Starting point is 00:59:01 So, you know, what do we do with this? Because, you know, whether or not this happens in three years or 10 or 30, who knows, right? But what do we do with this as followers of Christ? Because you can feel like really like, oh, man, everything's going to end. Let's make sure. You know, I remember, I bring this up sometimes, but I remember Y2K. Right? We're old nuts.
Starting point is 00:59:21 Oh, yeah. I remember there were people at my high school whose families pulled them out. And they had, they sold their homes. And they bought places that were like in bunkers almost, like in the mountains. I'm from Northern California. They bought these places. And they waited for Y2K to come. come and to survive whatever they thought when the computer clocks hit zero, right?
Starting point is 00:59:44 Yeah. Which sounds ridiculous now, but we think about there was like a lot of apprehension. There was a lot around that. There was going to, there was going to be this catastrophe, right? And so I think there's like this part of humanity that will be like, well, what do I need to do with anything? I don't need to pay my mortgage. I don't need to do this, do that. You know, I could sell everything I own.
Starting point is 01:00:03 I should. And it was the same way in the last year. There was all these predictions about the rapture. And people were like, I quit my job. Oh, dude. Y2K was just a just a big nothing burger. By the way,
Starting point is 01:00:13 Y2K, I was at a house party that night in the class of 2000, right? Me too, bro, yeah. And so, of course, me and my other stoner buddy,
Starting point is 01:00:21 you know, who were super like rock star potheads back in the day. So we went down at this house party and found the main power switch and while everybody was upstairs counting down, we're like,
Starting point is 01:00:31 three, two, and we hit the main night. And then we left. Everybody screamed. Everybody's screaming. Everybody's screaming. but it was like one of our claims of fame. Like we punked him on Y2K.
Starting point is 01:00:42 Luke was just bummed because he lost all of his mind sweeper top scores. Oh, man. That's tough, dude. That's tough. I'll pray for you. You know, and I didn't bleach my hair because I knew the end was coming. Oh, man. So I had to redo the tips after the Y2K.
Starting point is 01:00:55 Yeah, that's tough, dude. You had to frost the tips all over here. But yeah, so I mean, we've had these false flat, like, you know. So what do you do? Yeah. What do you do? Yeah. What do we do?
Starting point is 01:01:02 Well, and that's like, you said like, what do we, because everybody would quit their jobs and do and do whatever. that's actually why they're not telling anybody. That's exactly why. It's because they want people to continue to be industrious and to be functional and be whatever. They lose their stinking minds. I mean, it would actually be chaos. And like their findings were that that human chaos factor is way worse than anything the astray is going to do.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Astrid, we can rebuild. They can do whatever, according to them. But yeah, it's to keep that chaos down. And so for us as Christ followers, for one, it's like, dude, get busy. For real, like, get off of yourself. I tell people, get off of yourself. Like, you ought to be living for the kingdom
Starting point is 01:01:44 and for eternity anyways. A kingdom mindset and eternal mindset, this world is not my home. I'm not worried about it. In fact, for me, this is my posture. And I get it when it's new. It can stir fears or anxieties. Like, what do I do?
Starting point is 01:02:00 But it's like, really, and that's why, and again, why I wrote the book, right? That you would have such an identity in Christ. Dude, it doesn't phase you. Psalm 112 says, or not of those who fear bad news, we are not easily shaken. Even in light, even in darkness light dawns for the upright and heart. We have no fear of bad news. Our hearts are secure. That's what our appropriate posture ought to be like, he's not giving you a spirit of fear, right? But a power of loving a sound mind. That sound mind in the Greek is sophoneo. And it means a mind that's been rescued, salvaged, are delivered
Starting point is 01:02:31 from absurd, illogical, or highly emotional thoughts. So if I'm rooted in Christ, dude, this stuff doesn't rock me. So if it is rocking you, I go, praise God. Even that's an act of mercy. That means you're not as secure in the Lord as you thought you were. That means maybe you're more attached to this world than you thought you were. That means, you know, maybe there's things you're not fully understanding about the sufficiency of Christ in your life.
Starting point is 01:02:56 because what I'm not I don't I don't ever condemn I don't fall fine I don't criticize anybody that has a fear or anxiety response I go isn't that the kindness of God the mercy of God to allow you to experience that now willingly so you can wrestle it out then rather than later on desperately yeah that to me is super kind so I'm glad the listeners are getting to hear some of this stuff and go what is and it's like good praise God you get to work it out and go wait oh wait that's that's right. This world isn't my home. This world isn't worthy. I don't, like, I have the joy, like I know what's coming. And actually his word says, and also the Lord does know how to preserve those who are his. He does have Goshen's. He does have a place in the wilderness to provide for the woman
Starting point is 01:03:42 times, time and half a time. Like, he does give the wings of an eagle and, you know, and delivers or another. Like, the Lord knows how to preserve his own. It even says about the days of lot, right? he knows how to rescue the righteous while preserving the wicked for judgment. So the Lord of the Rings, Eagles are going to come and... Snatch you up. Pick us up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:02 Should have ridden one of those. I worked it. Straight to Mortor. Couldn't. They would have... The movie would have been real short. They would have been hijacked. It would have been a single movie.
Starting point is 01:04:10 It would have been a made for TV series. Yeah. I mean, God does... It needs bigger wings. I think there's a difference. There's like a shock rock factor to sell books and there's a lot of end-time theology to sell a product and a thing.
Starting point is 01:04:21 99 reasons. Jesus comes back in 99. And then there's people that actually care. Dude, I want to sell people on the sufficiency of Christ. My only modus operandi in life is to magnify Christ in all things. Christ alone, in Christ alone. Like no guilt in life, you know, no, whatever. No power hell, no skimming man can ever pluck me from his hand until he returns or calls me home here in the power of Christ I stand.
Starting point is 01:04:47 And I think like information overload like this. can rock people, but I'm not fearful of that. I'd rather rock you now. It's kind of like cutting off something that's gangrous so you don't die. So you can go, whoa, Lord. You're the Stephen Tyler of the gospel out there, just rocking it. Except I'm not looking like everybody's grandma. Except for I don't have sweet, flowing hair.
Starting point is 01:05:09 That's true. Isn't that weird thought of all of the rock stars of like our era and before? They look like grandmas now. It's just most bizarre. There's Bon Jovi or Stephen Tyler. They do look like grandmas. No, Papa Roche is still out there really. That was a little more contemporary.
Starting point is 01:05:23 I cut my life in a piece. Yeah. But it is. So what do we do? That's the question, right? And I would say that our listeners probably like, oh, man, this is just a bunch of fear mongering. I mean, you're, you're, like, whatever. But you're not, you're not the kind of guy that doesn't bring receipts.
Starting point is 01:05:38 I mean, we were, we had lunch and we were talking about your military career. And it's, it's pretty hardcore. You don't just talk a big game. You have the receipts to back up, like how you believe and how you lived out. even just as a soldier. Whoa, whoa, Marine,
Starting point is 01:05:57 wow. The Lord's soldier. So offensive. I'm kidding, dude, I'm kidding. The Lord's Army. A war fighter.
Starting point is 01:06:03 There we go. I was talking about the Lord's Army. All right, all right. That's different. Come on. I'm in the Lord's Army, amen.
Starting point is 01:06:08 Yeah. No, I've messed up a lot of military things. I told someone they were a Purple Heart winner. You told that to Blake. You're like, I don't know. He's like,
Starting point is 01:06:15 I didn't really win it. I wouldn't say it. No, I'm not. Don't count on me for saying anything bright. Right. I've been humbled by our listeners many times. Yeah, I bet.
Starting point is 01:06:25 But we have a heart. We care. Obviously, everyone's got to like do something for a living and pay the bills. But when you care about a message and you try to put it out there, like, hey, you know, these deceptions are coming. Yeah. And this stuff is real. People just get mad at you. But you're trying to. So you don't get rocked.
Starting point is 01:06:45 Yeah. That's the whole point. It's like, it's like, you know, so we can talk about fear for a minute. I mean, fear is a powerful thing. and actually fear is the currency of all belligerents in this cosmic warfare. So God commands our fear, right? He commands our fear.
Starting point is 01:07:00 He actually says he's so jealous for everything about us that he's jealous for our fear because he says, do not fear, do not be dismayed, do not be scourged, right? 365 times. He's constantly commanding, do not fear. But you better fear me, boy. Except for one thing,
Starting point is 01:07:14 but you better fear the Lord alone. Because he knows the power of fear, right? Fear is a physiological reason. It's even embedded into our physiology, how God created us, right? When we have a fear stimulus, what happens? Physiologically, your eyes dilate, right? To take in as much light and as much information about the object of your fear. Your ears go into auditory exclusion.
Starting point is 01:07:37 So it blocks out any other noise other than the object of your fear so that everything can be fixated on the object of your fear. Your body begins to hyper-oxygenate and vasal-constrict to your most core central aspects of your organ function so that you can fight and fight hard and fight to the death, right, that fight or flight response. So even your body physiologically is so hyper-intuned to the object of your fear that you can't pursue or look at or think of or comprehend anything else. The object of your fear is the end-all be-all. Think out how powerful that is, which is why God says don't fear anything, not even the intrigues
Starting point is 01:08:15 of men, no power, hell, no scheme of man. you fear me alone. The power is a darkness, then, understanding this power of fear, their entire modus operandi is to hijack your fear and have you put it on everything but God. They want you to put it on men, demons, angels, unknown, your finances, your childhood woundings, your childhood sex abuse, your rejection in life, your body dysmorphia, whatever it is, dude, they will get it any way they can take it because they know how powerful it is. So when we rightly, so that's why I don't mind talking about these things,
Starting point is 01:08:49 because it actually exposes what we believe or disbelieve about the sufficiency of Christ. And it actually exposes where we place our fear. If you rightly place your fear, dude, you're freaking unstoppable. If you misplace your fear, you're a cannon fodder on a battlefield. You don't understand. Dude, I love it. You're like Oprah passing out free conspiracy theories. You get one. You get one. You get one. Everyone gets one. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. I mean, in 1989, my favorite t-shirt was no fear, right? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:20 I had a split of those, dude. Let's bring it back. Dude, we're going to bring it back. Yeah. No fear. No fear. But that was, that was the time. And I think that, you know, obviously on this show, we, we cover a lot of the year.
Starting point is 01:09:31 This is like all of them in one. This is like the, uh, this is like the condensed version. I said it's the macro. Yeah. It's the final boss. Because you go, because you know, you can't understand that those little new, you're like, we have all the, They call it a clovered and pivot strategy, right?
Starting point is 01:09:46 It's like it overwhelms your synaptic processes to such a degree that you're not able to piece it all together. They count on that. And that's why I go, if we go macro and you go, okay, here's the big picture of what's going on. Then I go, oh, now I understand why we're making a push for Iran and why we're doing whatever in Ukraine and why are we able to allow and why we're doing this with kids. And then why is Hollywood doing this? And then why it's like, well, why did they do that? Because we're going, that doesn't make sense. And I go, if you have this view, it all makes sense.
Starting point is 01:10:17 But if you're down here in the weeds, you just start infighting, dividing, ripping each other apart, doing whatever. And they're like, we count on that. We anticipate that in your reaction. And that was kind of like the, about three weeks into COVID, most Tennesseans, at least in my neck of the woods. Is that what they call you guys? Tennesseans.
Starting point is 01:10:33 Yeah. Volunteers. You know, we're both from California. So we had this juxtaposition of looking back at all our friends, just like freaking out. And I didn't. I was like, I don't understand. I don't buy it anymore. I mean, I was afraid for a couple weeks.
Starting point is 01:10:46 And then I was like, wait a minute. Something me. And then my neighbor's throwing a barbecue and had 180 people in his backyard. And nobody cared. Nobody cared. And I'm like, and I was, we're a baby show, you know. We're still just, and I didn't, I'm kind of, but I didn't have that fear response. And if you didn't have the fear response, that's what everyone was really mad about.
Starting point is 01:11:10 You need to be as afraid as we are. and you're not afraid and you're just walking around, you know, you're not wearing your mask. You know, and so the pushback wasn't like, yeah, it's not that we don't believe there's some kind of virus going around. But if it kills me,
Starting point is 01:11:26 it kills me. Right. I'm not going to push the temple down and destroy the temple because, you know, we have to keep going as people and don't let the fear like overtaking. Nothing changes. And that's what like, you know,
Starting point is 01:11:39 going off of your question a little bit more about like, what do we do? and I go, well, that's a good time to test yourself, right? Where am I actually at? Like, where am I at emotionally, you know, physically and spiritually? Where am I actually at? Yeah. Because if you hear this information and you're going, oh, crap, I need to make all these changes.
Starting point is 01:11:59 Well, A, off, praise God. That's awesome, right? That's mercy. B off, that sucks, right? Because that means that you're living a... Some of the soaps got to you. You're living a dual reality. you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time with regards of the kingdom.
Starting point is 01:12:14 The reality is if you're walking intimately with the Lord and you hear this information, right? Or you get the cancer verdict, you know, doctor call, hey, literally everything changes, but nothing changes. If you're in Christ, what's changed? Yeah. Nothing's changed. So maybe you never heard this before. Okay, but what has actually changed? Nothing.
Starting point is 01:12:37 I like secure in Christ, an identity in Christ, covered by Christ. Oh, and by the way, I would love to have a giant 70-pound hailstone mixed with fire and blood fall on my head and my whole family, because I know exactly what comes next. I don't have fear. Like, in fact, why would I want to preserve my life on this crappy earth one more second than I have to? Like, I long to be at home with the Lord. That's not a nihilistic perspective or like some weird, like, you know, whatever. annihilism. Yeah, fatalistic. That's where it's like, it's like, no, because I know my king and I know
Starting point is 01:13:12 what's coming next. And I want to be in his presence forevermore. And it says, I'll never have to depart from his joy. But is it a big part of the Christianity that God, Jesus is going to be king here again on earth? And he's bringing heaven to earth too. It's like, it's kind of a difficult understanding as a Christian of like, is Jesus going to reign here again? Or he 100% is going to rain. Yeah, but I mean. And that's why I say I don't subscribe ever to an earth in any event. But what it does say is all the elements will be destroyed with fire. But then remember, he makes all things new.
Starting point is 01:13:45 Sure. So there is like, there's something going on there. Someone's got to survive. Yeah, we don't have the full understanding. And we do know that there's all kinds of people during the millennial reign, right? And there's industriousness. I always, there's a lot of industriousness continuing on even during the millennial reign of Christ. So there are, and that's why I say it's a third.
Starting point is 01:14:05 And notice again, even that is testifying to God's... Third or left or third are gone? Third are gone. Okay. So that's interesting because it's actually a direct finger and eye and the powers of darkness. They have two thirds that they get to operate with, that they corrupt. And God goes, I'm kind, I'm merciful.
Starting point is 01:14:22 I want... It says he takes no delight in even the destruction of the wicked. It says it's not for him that any man should perish by that all should come to everlasting life. So even the judgments of tribulation are not God's hatred of humanity. it's actually the last great act of kindness and mercy to literally shake the heavens so that you would acknowledge him and acknowledge his Christ Jesus. I think, I think the, yeah, it should inspire some urgency, shouldn't it? Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:14:49 I think that's biblical, right? Isn't there's the parable that the master returns and find his workers busy. Yep. And redeem the time for the days are evil. 100%. Like make the most of every day the days are evil. And like there is. And the harvest is plentiful.
Starting point is 01:15:04 but the workers are few, like get busy. People are going to die in their sins. Yeah, if it touches you, if it touches you and you're like, man, this is, the end is nigh, right? Which, at the very least, it should inspire you to share the gospel with your neighbors. And if you're not already inspired, it should be like, well, there is a lot of work to be done. So much. And Jesus says, I desire none to Paris, but all would come to me, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:31 And I think that's. And you know what? For me, too, what it does is a clarifies. You'll notice like when you have an understanding the lateness of the hour, the drama, you just, you ain't got time for that. Ain't nobody got time for that. Right? Like the drama, the trauma, the interpersonal conflict, the money woes.
Starting point is 01:15:49 Everybody's got money. I get it. Like it's all real stuff we have to navigate in life. It's real, right? And marriage stuff or divorce stuff or kid stuff or body failing health stuff. It all, like, it loses its power. there. We got to navigate it by faith. And with Christ hand in hand, we still got a nap, but it doesn't have as much weight because you go, which is actually when we have a regenerate heart in Christ,
Starting point is 01:16:14 that's how we should be living every day. Yeah. Like, I am an alien sojourning. I'm a foreigner in this land. I'm an ambassador from a kingdom that cannot be shaken. I'm an elect exile to dispersion, forced to be in Babylon for a time. And he said, plant plants and build houses and Gabriel and Mary, you're like, I took you to Babylon. You're an exiled of dispersion, but I'm coming again to deliver you. Even the Israelites going into exile in Babylon is a type and shadow of the second coming to Jesus. I was going to ask you that.
Starting point is 01:16:43 Most people miss that. I was going to ask you that. You're talking about all these Hollywood movies, you know, what's a type of biblical story? Because we've learned to read the Bible a lot differently now that these stories repeat themselves. So obviously there's some story that already happened that's going to happen again. And do you, at least that's how I see it. Hollywood's telling us these stories.
Starting point is 01:17:03 This is what might be coming. And what Hollywood tells you is an annihilationist, in a nihilistic perspective, and that every man should just get there. It's every man for himself. But what the scripture says is actually, we ought to be in Christ selflessly sacrificial laying down our lives for the next guy.
Starting point is 01:17:21 Not taking the next guy's life to get mine, you know? I constantly think about the 10 Plagues and Egypt on our show. It's constantly going through my head in the background of a lot of these stories. And it feels like God is always providing for his people in the midst of all this, you know, all this chaos that's happening. Yeah, good point. And you want to know what about Apophis?
Starting point is 01:17:41 Yeah. Because that feels like a Pophis. Apophis was one of the chief deities of Egypt when God judged Egypt. And the gods of Egypt that he judged, Apophis was one of their chief deities. So what's interesting about Apophis and how it relates even to the Second Coming of Christ, High index is suspicion is warm.
Starting point is 01:18:01 It doesn't mean it is, but high probability. At the midpoint of the tribulation is that at the end of Revelation, if you notice when God comes and deliver the true and better deliverance, we have a lot of aspects of the exodus, the judgments and Exodus occurring again in Revelation. Guess what we sing at the end of the book of Revelation, the song of Moses again. We start singing the song.
Starting point is 01:18:25 It says they sung the song of Moses. And so, and it's interesting too, it talks about that with God's judgment, that place is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt. It links Sodom and Egypt together. Well, Sodom was destroyed by astrocatastrophism. And Egypt was destroyed because one of its chief deity was Apophis. So you have all these weird interconnections like you're saying that. Everything does repeat itself because, again, I always go, why? Because God is kind.
Starting point is 01:18:55 And I think a lot of people fail to They don't truly understand how good God is Well, if you know his story If you know his story, you know what's going to happen You know what's happened, you know what will happen I think that he's always telling us You know, this truth is unfolding But it's a different type of truth
Starting point is 01:19:13 It's a deeper one It's one that, you know, we're not left in the dark We're not just like, well, here comes the asteroid We had no idea it was coming Yeah Called Ben Affleck, got him on the phone here but uh yeah yeah yeah i got i got you yeah there we go but it seems like but my point is because hollywood hollywood seems to know why don't we know how come christians don't know and if you're not
Starting point is 01:19:33 dialed in if you can't tell you're in some kind of seasonal change yeah no kidding like hey i'm a little it's a little bit cold today like yeah the season is changed and i think what we found in 2020 is that half of the church didn't know no any more than that yeah yeah i mean Yeah. I mean, there was Dave Bryant came on our show, Pastor Dave Bryant. He was the only church in Northern California that didn't shut down during the time. The reason why I started pastoring is because all the churches shut down. And so, you know, I'm currently pastor a small church now. You booted the door open. Boom. No, I was like, we are open. I was like, this is freaking, this is bull crap. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, it says, do not forsake gathering together and encouraging one another, even more so as you see the day of Lord approaching. All that was a strategic affront against the gospel. Very, very strategic. In the cowardly Christians who don't know their God because they're pastors. It's not their fault.
Starting point is 01:20:33 It's actually, God, that's why God always says, what are the shepherds? What are the shepherds? What are the shepherds? It's on them. They should have told you who the Lord is and your identity be securing them that you would have no fear. Yeah. You know, but it's like, so the reason why we, I was like, dude, this is bogus. This is insane.
Starting point is 01:20:49 Everybody's, and I'm like, okay, my place. every Sunday at 9 a.m., I'll be there. Whoever wants to gather, we're going to seek the Lord together. And out of that, we now have an international ministry. The warden from that singular thing. Warden Walden's opening up church. We're going to be here. And that's it.
Starting point is 01:21:08 His church is called the bunker. Yeah, right? And it's like, whoever wants to come, come if you don't want to come. I don't care. But as for me and my household, we're going to seek the Lord's face all the way through all. And if you had a little bit of that energy, man, you were just really. ripped apart by everybody. I don't care.
Starting point is 01:21:26 Lost friends. Killing grandma. People lost their family. People lost a lot by just saying, no, I'm not participating in this fear seance that you guys were all. And on the opposite side, a lot of people lost a lot as far as spiritual integrity, spiritual authority, intimacy and communion with the Lord because they compromised and balked to the other direction. So you think that that was a big part of was consolidating.
Starting point is 01:21:50 There was a whole other nefarious project going on. Keep the people trapped in fear. And we're going to supply. We're going to kill mom and pop shops. We're going to supply chains. Supply chains. Keep them like monopolize them. And obviously there's layers, right?
Starting point is 01:22:05 These guys are there's multiple. So like at the time, we'll say, for instance, the Hong Kong uprising was happening. CCP communist China was done. They needed to shut it down because of populist uprising. If you remember the U.S., similar thing was going on at the exact same time. So there's like anything, there's layers to why they do what they do. but one of their chief in states was that consolidation. And if you notice too, I mean, obviously it was a giant satanic ritualistic abuse ceremony.
Starting point is 01:22:33 I mean, we all know that, the six feet and the mask covering and all the isolationism. Like anybody who studied any of that knows like that is a textbook occultic practice, like to the T, what they walked out. So again, you have, there's always layers to all this stuff, kind of like days and no days a lot. Lots of layers to days and no and days a lot. But we kind of have the primary facial one that says everything's going to be normal until it's not. Right. Same thing with this is like, yeah, lots of layers to COVID, to the pandemic, lots of layers to the different things that the government's doing right now. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:06 That primary facie is astro-catastrophism. Man, dude. All right. Wow. Who's got to have a movie night and watch Armageddon here in the studio. Bro, if you haven't seen Greenland, too, you got to watch Greenland. Yeah, we'll watch Greenland. the blurry bunker with Jamie Walden.
Starting point is 01:23:25 Playing cross, crossfire. We'll just play crossfires. The world burns. Just kind of like Elmo. I always say, I'm going to just meme my way through the apocalypse because the meme game out there right now is hilarious.
Starting point is 01:23:36 Like, it's strong. I just think like at the end of the day, it's going to be cockroaches and armadillos out there that just survive. No, you know what I've always said is surfer bros? Oh, really? Rednecks.
Starting point is 01:23:46 They're going to be out in the waves. And hood rats. They've always survived. Just surviving, dude. Always surviving. Dude, you have kicked. every bees nest out there. So they're all over.
Starting point is 01:23:56 If we have any listeners left, congratulations. They will always survive. You made it through the podcast Armageddon. Dude, the dead presence of surfers, bro. Yeah. Point break.
Starting point is 01:24:05 It all goes back to point break. Everything does. Yeah. I mean, it's hard. I mean, I don't know how you, these conversations kind of blow up every paradigm. And you just kind of walk out like you've been,
Starting point is 01:24:19 you know, it's just been torched by, all this information and you just kind of keep going. I mean, my brain's exploded. But I, I'm following. And what we said before when we took a break from episode one to two here was that I don't think Luke and I could have had this kind of conversation year one, year two. We've learned a lot.
Starting point is 01:24:41 But now we're kind of like, now we have a little bit of a foundation to build some of these, okay. To be able to like accept it. Yeah. Even if you're 10 years, 15 years into some of these rabbit holes, It's still like it's just, it's difficult to process, you know. Like I said, some of the SRA conversations. Oh, yeah, I don't know what to do. Brutal wounds.
Starting point is 01:25:00 It's hard. I've been around, you know, I work with a couple different agents. We've talked about this off air, but, you know, I work with several different agencies in that, and specifically counter child sex trafficking. Yeah. Specifically for children. And some of them are on the rehabilitation side of the house, which is way harder. Some of the other ones are on the door kicking side of the house.
Starting point is 01:25:20 So they're actually stacking bodies. and suspension bodies, which is awesome. Like, that's kind of like, like, that's a good realm to work in. And, um, I just don't know where our listeners are. It's hard to realize. If this is your first episode. Well, and I guess I guess maybe I'm, I'm, I take for granted kind of my background. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:43 So it's like, so I've been immersed in the worst of humanity since I was 19 years old. Like, that's all I've known. Like I told you guys fine. and, you know, finding mass graves and doing whatever and war fighting and then just being on the streets of America, like being a street cop, and then being a street cop and then being a street medic and whatever, like, nothing shocks me. Like, you know, when you're having to cast out demons and lock them up in the name of Jesus Christ on a call and your partner's like, who the heck are you and what are you doing, Walden? Yeah, yeah. Because that's just what you're encountering and that's what you're running into, you know? And it's the blood and the guts and the death and the chaos and the sex abuse and the abandoned children and the whatever and blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:26:21 Like the government, the government and the government. I mean, my whole life was government. And so for me, I guess maybe I'm in a bad way desensitized to trauma-based information or dirty, like gross, dirty, hard information. It doesn't affect me as much as maybe somebody that's by God's grace had a more sanitized reality. And they're like, oh, my, you know, they had that shock factor. And I'm like, wait, what's the bit? Oh, I haven't even told you the bad part yet.
Starting point is 01:26:50 What did I say? I haven't said anything yet. Yeah. And I think that, you know, you bring that intensity into the conversation to the gospel. I think that it's hard for, it would have been hard for us early on to be thrown into a very intense conversation. It's not that it's not that you're like so overbearing that we can't like have a discussion because obviously you're very flexible in how to have a conversation. Plus you know a bunch of great movie quotes. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:14 You can be a permanent guest too. But it's intense. It's intense. And depending on your flexibility. how much God has stretched to you as a human, an intense conversation can be overwhelming and the tendencies to shut down. Yeah. Or just push back and I'm like, I'm not even going to go there. But even for me, you know what? I'm not fearful of that. Yeah. And that's why I've never tried to, I've been commanded to tame my personality a lot in my life or my delivery or whatever, a lot. And I go, I've tried. Believe me, I've tried. But I'm like, I can't. It's kind of like Jeremiah says,
Starting point is 01:27:49 like I try to keep my mouth shut, but there's a fire in my bones. I can't control. Yeah. I mean, and so my, my, from my perspective, it's like, I just trust, I know God's goodness and love for me. And so then I know it for everybody. And I don't care how far you are from them. So even if you repulse, even if you shut down, even if you reject, I trust God's love for you that the Holy Spirit's going to break through in a way that I don't even understand. Yeah. And maybe even that tension, I don't want. want to protect you from the tension. I want to let it have its way. You know, it says let perseverance finish its work so you can be mature and completely lacking nothing. So I'm like,
Starting point is 01:28:27 I'm not fearful about wrecking your worldview, wrecking your paradigm, reckon your future hopes to watch your grandkids get married one day. Whatever it is, it's like, I'm not fearful of that. What I'm more concerned about is you're standing before Holy God. So that's my chief in goal is I'm not worried about how you accept or receive me as an individual or accept or exceed the information. I am concerned about you're standing before a holy God, and I want you to know that you know that you know how good he is, how loved you are and how sufficient Christ is. If I can get to that point, dude, say whatever you got to say about me. You can call me sensational, hyperbolic, fearmonger, liar, blah, blah, blah, people are going to tear into all this stuff
Starting point is 01:29:08 that I talked about today. They're like, he lied here and he like, I'm not, but whatever, dude, you know, you just say whatever you're going to say. I'm more interested in, did you hear how nothing matters other than being secure. And sometimes that conversation will explode in someone's head like a year and a half from now. And maybe I'm not the guy to do the breakthrough. It's like, that's why I say I trust the whole of spirit. I mean, I remember things from the beginning.
Starting point is 01:29:36 And now I'm like, oh, I remember someone said that in our show. Now I get it. But even when you're immersed in this stuff, even when you're in swimming in the Kool-Aid pool all day long, You still are like, man, this is wild, you know? And average people go to work and they get 30 minutes to drive in the car. They're picking up kids. They're doing dishes.
Starting point is 01:29:58 They're mowing lawns. They're pushing papers. They're not thinking about this. And sometimes it's like, man, it's just too much for reality. And that was me. And I have, and that's why I say I would never be condemning or critical of anybody. It's like, oh, that's ridiculous. It's like, dude, that was like when I, and actually, I didn't come to an understanding of any of this stuff until I was a third ship cop.
Starting point is 01:30:18 And when in between calls, the only thing on at two, three in the morning was coast to coast to coast. Yeah. Thank God for coast to reach. So this was in 2008. So like 2008, you know, I'm a cop had already done the Marines of college and U.S. marshals or whatever. And so I'm, and I, dude, I was the mokker and the scoffer. And I was a believer, fairly new believer. It came to know Lord in 2006.
Starting point is 01:30:40 Fairly new believer. But so I'm like, oh, these freaking cooks and all these blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, and like every single guest, whether it's UFO, or Bigfoot or blah, well, 9-11 an inside job. I'd be like, I fought those, I fought those terrorists. Like, what do you mean 9-11 was an inside job? You don't understand Islam. And like, I've been over there in the trenches like, you, you know.
Starting point is 01:31:00 And I would be like, have a visceral response to somebody saying the truth. And so I get it. And it took a while. Actually, it was on coast-to-coast a.m., where the first time ever I heard Steve Quayle. And I heard the biblical connection to everything, all these other guys. had been saying. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:19 Because that's why I wrote it all off, because I'm like reading the word, new believer, reading the word. And I'm like, whether there's aliens, UFO, advanced tech, whatever, Stargates, portals, all the stuff that they talk about in there, including 9-11 as an inside job. And like, who's this Alex Jones guy, right? Right. I'm like, oh, this guy's a total cuck, you know, until I heard it from a biblical worldview. And it was like, like everything.
Starting point is 01:31:43 I mean, one time of hearing, of hearing Steve. connect everything in Genesis 6 and all that narrative and on through and all the hyper-conspiratorial stuff that was going on at that time with the Obama administration and all that and the FEMA camps and the ball you know that was like at the peak of that for DHS and the FEMA camps and the bullet purchases and the military vehicles and the preparation and the medical supplies being staged. By the way, now I know all that was Apophis. But at the time it was like, oh, because they're going to overthrow America. Anyways, all that to say is I get it until you hear that biblical worldview of like,
Starting point is 01:32:23 oh, this is like everything's actually Christocentric. Everything's been laid out plainly for us in the scriptures. God is not a liar like a man. He doesn't change like a shadow. And oh, yeah, that's right. He's good. And he loves me. And I think the centrality of people that understand they have to come to,
Starting point is 01:32:39 even as they digest this information or everything blurry, that you guys talk about and all the great guests that you guys have on all the time, is everything is going to dictate what you believe or disbelieve about God's goodness. And I think about that was the centrality of the fall in the garden. They didn't believe, Eve didn't believe God was good. That's all it was. And then you look at, you know,
Starting point is 01:33:01 when Moses asked to see God's glory, most tenacious prayer in all of scripture, he knew what that meant. Like, show me your glory, I want to see your glory, God. He knew exactly what he was asking. and of all the immutable characteristics of God, creator, all powerful, supreme, whatever. Think of all these characteristics.
Starting point is 01:33:19 When he hides him, he says, he can't look at my face, but that's legit, bro. Okay, I'll honor that. You can look on my back. Says, and his goodness passed before him. And at the end of the day, that's the centrality of what dictates what we believe, our belief system, is either God's good or he's not.
Starting point is 01:33:36 So it's the same thing with Christ. Either he's good or he's not. Either he forgives your sins or he doesn't. or you need to add works to it, or you need Jesus plus, or you need to, like, either he's good and he's sufficient or he's not. That's the only decision we're making here. And so even that's going to dictate what you believe about his promises when he says you're more than conquerors. I've given you all power to trample upon. I've given you all power. I've given you all spiritual giftings for life and guilely. I've given you, is he lying or not? That's the only decision
Starting point is 01:34:03 we ever, so you go like, oh, the trauma in my life and the drama of my life and then another failed relationship and then another failed this and another failed bank. Now, another failed, the only thing you ever have to ask is, is God good? Yes or no. That's going to dictate how I navigate this. Alien disclosure. Right. Astro-catastropism.
Starting point is 01:34:23 Governmental overreach. Whatever it is, it's like, what do I really believe? Or, like we said earlier, do you get the cancer diagnosis? You get the phone call from a police officer, you know? Hey, is this Mr. Henry? Hey, I'm sorry to inform you. Dude, it was a bad day. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:43 Nothing's changed. That's so good. It'd be a bad day, but nothing's changed. Everything's changed, but nothing's changed, you know. Man. Thank you, Jamie. That's good. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:56 You and JP out there just dropping the bombs on people. Just see it. It's a stern to thought. You need to meet him, but I'm saying, we're brothers from men and mother. Thank you. But I think my last thought on this is like whether or not there's an astro catastrophe, in three years or 10 or 30. Whatever.
Starting point is 01:35:14 It doesn't matter, right? The big thing is, is your house in order? Who do you believe God? Do you believe God says who he is, he says? That's it. And then if those things are true, then what are you going to do? Exactly. And what we should, our response should be, man, we got to tell people about Jesus.
Starting point is 01:35:33 We got to, we got to share the gospel. We've got to do the things that Christ has called us to do. Yeah. And I think oftentimes we're being distracted about stupid stuff. Oftentimes we lull ourselves to sleep. Even it was just like being faced with death, we don't think about this often. And most people, maybe your situation, what you did, you thought about it more and more? Maybe that's why I am so intense.
Starting point is 01:35:49 It's because, like, it's like, I've been there a couple times. Right. But I think we always have this, this idea that there's more time, right? Intense is nothing wrong with being intense. Yeah. It's, it's that, you know, it takes time to understand, like, why someone gets intense and what they feel important about. I mean, I've been, I was yelling at people during COVID. I was intense about it.
Starting point is 01:36:09 I felt like, because all my friend, I'm like, I don't care if you hate me. And the cops called me during COVID. Like, don't do this to your body. Yeah. And understand the narrative. Like, there's nothing wrong with that. But, you know.
Starting point is 01:36:19 Well, let me add this too because this is something I think like people can hear this and they're like, solemn, right? Yeah. Like Eeyore. They're like Eeyore in their life away. And I'm like, dude, I'll tell you what. Yeah, exactly. I live with hyperintentionality because I know this stuff.
Starting point is 01:36:38 Yeah. Everything's more exciting. I enjoy a hot shower more. I enjoy a comfortable bed more. I enjoy spending time with my kids. I'm so grateful when we go out to eat because I know it can change overnight. We saw that during COVID. I'm so like going to Walmart or doing whatever.
Starting point is 01:36:54 Like, dude, I. You're living. We got to flip the script. Yeah. Because people have the wrong perspective on this information. Dude, I enjoy my children. I enjoy my wife. I enjoy getting to watch a movie at night.
Starting point is 01:37:07 I'm living. I'm living with gratitude and Thanksgiving. Yeah. I'm not going, how do I prep? How do I store food? What do I do with my money in the bank account? Like, I don't do that. I'm not saying don't be prepared, but it should not be fear-based or striving-based.
Starting point is 01:37:24 Yeah. I actually live like we hike, we climb, we're sport climbers. My son's in pilot school right now. My other son goes, Whitewater kayaking school. My daughter is going to Europe, which may be in war. and for 4H and like, and it's like, dude, like, let's live because God has been good and he's been kind to us. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:44 And it could change tomorrow. Sure. So today I'm going to give thanks. Today I'm going to give thanks for all the simple things. And actually biblically it says, give thanks always. It's no trouble for me to say it again. It's a safeguard for your heart. So if this causes anxiety, consternation, perplexities, then we need to work on giving
Starting point is 01:38:01 things because it shuts the mouth of fear. It shuts the mouth of anxiety. It shuts them out the go, be like, pray, how about break it down to the brass tax? Thank you, God, that my sins have been forgiven. And none of this has the final say over my life. How about we start there? Yeah. And then we can give thanks for all the other good things we get to have, you know?
Starting point is 01:38:22 That's two mic drops. Speaking of going to go. Thanks, Jamie. Yeah, thank you. No worries. Let's everybody about, again, we did on the first episode, but tell everybody again, like, where they can, because you've written, as you talked about in the last episode, God gave you a mission. We'll talk in those terms.
Starting point is 01:38:38 Yeah. To write a book and you did that, you also run, you've got camps, you've got workshops, you do a lot of minutes, you birth the ministry out of, out of the zeal that you have. And just tell me where they can interact with that, find what you're doing. Yeah, for sure. No, and I appreciate you guys having me on again. But yeah, people can find me at omega dynamics.org. So that's dot org.
Starting point is 01:39:02 And then the books on Amazon or whatever, it's out there. called Omega Dynamics, equipping a warrior class of Christians for the days ahead. Kind of need to change that title. It's like for the days that are happening. Like, you know, the days or not, right? And then they can find me on YouTube too just under Jamie Wall and we're different interviews or even sermons and stuff like that. Because that is my goal is like the burden that the Lord has given me is to strengthen
Starting point is 01:39:26 and equip the saints. So that's why we got to talk about this stuff. Because they got to be strengthened and equipped because as we go, so goes the unbelieving world. And if we're jacked up and we're all apostator or we're all compromise or we're all freaking religiously haughty or or fearful and unhinged, we got nothing to offer the unbelieving world. So the redeeming, I call them the warrior redeemed the Lord like a warrior spirit is a completely different posture than that of a soldier. A warrior is like love compulsed. A warrior is supplessly sacrificial. A warrior does what very few are willing to do and with no thanks. That's why Christ Jesus
Starting point is 01:40:04 is coming as a warrior king. And that's why it says, the Lord is a warrior, the Lord is his name. And everything was done from a love, compulsive, selfless sacrifice to the death.
Starting point is 01:40:14 And that's what we ought to be in Christ Jesus. So that's the focus. Let's go. And the Lord's Army. I love it. Thanks, Jamie. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 01:40:22 Appreciate it. I'm going to march in the infantry. Right in the cavalry or shoot the artillery. That's right. Zoom over the enemy. You got it. Dude, yeah, baby.
Starting point is 01:40:30 That's an 80s Sunday school right there. That's right. We're back. Thanks, bro. You were in the Lord's Army and you're in the Lord's Army. Yep. So you could do it all. You do it all.
Starting point is 01:40:40 Thanks, Jamie. Yep. Thanks for having me on, guys. I appreciate it.

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