Blurry Creatures - EP: 451 Demonic Mind Reading, Zombie Moses, and Deconstruction with Tara-Leigh Cobble

Episode Date: August 4, 2026

Can demons read your mind? Tara-Leigh Cobble believes they can, and she believes God built it that way on purpose. The creator of The Bible Recap has read the Bible almost twenty times, and somewhere in there she stopped fearing the enemy and started fighting back in silence. She tells the story of the night terrors that taught her to pray the name of Jesus without moving her lips, and the afternoon in a New York City cafe when she prayed a manifesting man back into his right mind from ten feet away. Nobody heard a word. Something still happened.We take her everywhere the mainstream Bible world refuses to go. The Nephilim of Genesis 6. The body of Moses that Michael and Satan fought over. Her theory that the enemy wanted to reanimate the mouthpiece of God and turn him against God's own people. Along the way, she explains why deconstruction almost always ends the same place, why thinking a good thought is an act of war, and the terrifying thing she once realized she had in common with Satan. The weird parts are not a distraction from the gospel. They are the doorway back to it. This episode is sponsored by: https://livemomentous.com — Get up to 35% OFF your first order with code BLURRY at checkout! http://blurrygold.com/ — Get a FREE Gold & Silver Kit while supplies last! https://shopremi.com — Get 55% off your new night guard from now until the end of August with Remi Club Subscribe and Save using code BLURRY! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And I have a theory about why angels can't procreate, which is all the angels that we see in scripture are male. There's a message for that. Which would perhaps launch us into Genesis 6. Yes. Right? Yeah. Terri Lee Cobble comes on blurry creatures.

What does the Bible recap have to do with the blurry verse? And for someone who recaps the entire Bible, how does she deal with the weird, the supernatural, parts that need a lot more context? We dive into all of the hard things to get through when you're re-recha. capping the Bible in 365 days. Her podcast hit number one in the world. That's a lot of pressure, and we go through her story and more. Stick around for this one.

You're going to like it. Like, subscribe, and hit that bell to never miss an episode. And now back to the blurry verse. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person. is right because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural.

This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Did we start the show yet? No. Okay. We do. I sure you hear you own. Wow. I thought your segue was the intro. And I was like, oh boy. You know. That was a fun.

It was a pump fake. We're like, here we go. We're a musician. Terrily. We keep it real here. We have to. The best way to start a podcast episode is you don't know what started. And then everyone stays.

The pre-roll is always pretty special. Everyone stays. All right. We have to start this podcast. Welcome back to the basement and Blurry Creatures podcast. Luke, I don't know what happens. But sometimes, you know, we thought we were just going to be talking to Bigfoot experts. And we do have a bigfoot expert in studio today, in fact.

We're back to the big guy. We are. Yes. We're back to it. No, we don't. We have Terri Lee Cobble. Yeah, from the Bible recap. Welcome to blurry creatures.

How does this happen, Luke? There's people in the room that are watching. This is how it happens. We thought we would be rejected by most people in the Christian world. And then the exact opposite seems to have happened. Listen, if you haven't heard of the Bible recap, or I don't know where you've been, um, 2024, Terry Lee, you were the number one podcast on. on Apple. You kicked Rogan and whoever else. Yeah. Blurry creatures right off the top of the top

ropes. Not that. That's right. But it's a pleasure. It's amazing to have it. You know, I know our listeners are probably familiar with, with you and what you do. You read through the Bible. You've done it 16 times. You have a book. You have a podcast. We were kind of talking pre-roll about how do you put out that many episodes and recapping the reads? But I mean, an amazing really amazing story. And I think for us, we start every show and you're not getting off the hook. Yeah. You're from Tennessee, so you know a little bit of the smoky side of Tennessee. Exactly. And there's no more popular big guy than the Bigfoot out in Gatlinburg. What do your thoughts on Bigfoot? Welcome to the podcast. Happy to be here, guys. You probably didn't think you'd get that question in your career.

Well, no, I actually get asked about that a lot. I don't believe that. Well, I don't believe that. Well, you know, here's the thing. Here's the thing. You know, we tried it. It didn't work out. We're still good friends. I've got them bad to say about him. Okay.

Just very different lifestyles. Obviously. He's a little bit of an introvert. Man. A little reclusive. Bigfoot gets invited to, you know, family gatherings in East Tennessee, apparently. And not here. You've seen a meme where he's at Thanksgiving and he's holding the turkey.

Yeah, exactly. Sometimes he's the founder of the feast. But we started Blurring Creatures kind of talking around a lot of Christian subjects and then we got sort of lumped into them. We talk about, you know, giants and a lot of Old Testament themes where the Bible gets very strange. And we thought, yeah, maybe some people will be interested in this, but it seems to really lit a fire for a lot of Christians who, their pastors skip over these parts. Genesis 6, you know, DeRomy 32 or the Tower of Battle. Yeah, it's kind of weird, but we just kind of. The Witch of Indore. Yeah. Talking donkey and Bailam.

Yeah. We go headlong into the weird. And we get people. context outside with other stories to support, okay, this is biblical story. You can believe it because there's other modern stories that are weird that kind of are associated. So it's not that hard to believe in the weird stuff in our Bible. And Michael Heiser said on our show, if it's, you know, if it's weird, it's important. So welcome to the podcast. We'd love to hear a little bit about your story and then maybe get into some of these weirder parts of the Bible that maybe, you know, people email you and go, what do you think? And you're like, I don't know if I can talk about that, but welcome and I would love to hear more about how you got here.

How I got here. Yeah. I'm a girl who loves to read the Bible. I'm not a scholar. I'm somebody who grew up in a Christian home and struggled to want to read the Bible for a lot of my life because when I tried, I didn't understand it. And I didn't even know a lot of the quote unquote weird parts were in there because I was just sitting in the comfortable seats of like Psalms and Proverbs and, you know, the Gospels and Philippians. Those were my favorite spot.

So I missed out on a lot of this stuff and had a ton of questions the first time I read through the Bible. But I, because I had a guide who walked me through scripture and answered my questions along the way and wasn't afraid of the hard questions. And I actually had a couple of people who really mentored me through my first few trips through scripture. It changed things for me in a way that I can't quantify the value of that in my life. because this book that I had formerly looked at and been like, okay, this is true, this is worth hanging my hat on, but I don't really want to read it

became this thing that is now, I can't get enough of it. It's how I start my day every day. I will redo it one or two times every year for the rest of my life, until I'm in the ground, and I'm in it every day, and I never knew that it was possible to love that.

And so I don't want to just help people read the Bible. I want them to understand it, and I want them to love it. So read it, understand it, love it. That's my game. And that's my favorite thing in the world to do. What compelled you to kind of to start this? I mean, because it's obviously wildly popular.

It's obviously wildly popular. Over 500 million downloads of the podcast itself. And was it, how do you start something like this or why? Yeah. What made you want to do? So after I was reading through the Bible, the 10th time I'd read through, I, for the first time, was walking another girl through it. So she said, I never would have finished this Terrily unless you had walked me through it.

And I realized I wouldn't have finished it if my pastor hadn't walked me through it. She didn't finish it. If I hadn't walked her through it, maybe this is like how it's going to get these people that I know and love in my life who struggle to read the Bible. Maybe this is the ticket for them too. So I was leading a Bible study at that point of about 1,200 women. And every year I would invite all of them to read the Bible with me. and every year they would start and fail like I had done for most of my life.

And so I thought, how can I create a tool that could do for them what Lee did for me and what I did for Annabeth? How can I do that? So I just decided to start recording a daily podcast for those 1,200 women and had no idea or plan or anything that anybody beyond that would ever listen. I had no idea it would be what the Lord has turned it into.

So it was really just a, discipleship tool for the women in my Bible study. What do you think people, where are their hangups? Why do you think people can't just sit down and read it? Why do they stop? What happens? You know, I think there are two primary problems. Let's just go ahead and say, time is not a problem.

We think time is a problem, but you can read the Bible in a year in 12 minutes a day. And we all have 12 minutes a day, whether it is when you're driving your kids to school or you're sitting in the car during their practice or you're making dinner or a showering. We've got 12 minutes a day. And I know you're like, you can't read the Bible in the shower, but like you can, I do. I mean, it's, we have auditory. Is it laminated? Is it? It's a big binder. It's like a menu in the south. You just bring in a season. It's like, yeah. You can handle anything. It's like a cheesecake factory menu. You're just like, I can get through this. Slightly smaller than a cheesecake factory movie. Exactly. But we're going to go in a little like,

you know, a side adventure where we like flashed. cards that are laminated with like a ring and we sell them. I think you should. The blurry Bible. Yeah, the blurry Bible. You started here. Dairy League is 10%. Yeah. But, um.

No, you have to go in and on it with. Yeah. We have to do it. We'll take 10. Yeah. The blurry Bible makes it sound like it's hard to visually read. Oh, that's great. It might be if steamy in the shower could actually be the problem.

Yeah. We'll figure that out later. Anyway, we have access to audio Bibles. Yeah. You know? And there are people who are like, that's cheating. That doesn't count. You got to read it with your eyes.

That's not. true because for the bulk of human history, that's how people consume scripture. Gutenberg hadn't invented the printing press. People were poor. People couldn't read. People couldn't afford Bibles. You had to listen. To someone that could read or had a Bible.

Yes, exactly. And so reading counts. And I'm an auditory learner. So I don't even remember what the question was. Well, I'm just saying one of people's hangups because you get to like Leviticus. I also think that like, you know, when people tell you they don't have time, to that point. I just think about how often you find yourself with doom scrolling and the time this disappears

and you feel your, you know, the black mirror we all walk around with, I think, sucks so much of our time away. Personally, I just think you hit something that you don't understand. You don't have anyone to ask. That's it. And you're like, I don't know. I think, so we don't have a time problem. I think we have a comprehension problem.

Sure. And I think we have a desire problem. Yeah. And so for me, the comprehension problem, my pastor offers. to solve that because he said he challenged me to read it and read it all. And he said, let your eyes fall in every word, even the genealogies. And I was like, oh, man, I was totally going to skim those parts, you know, look for adjectives and verbs in there somewhere. But it's just a list of names. Litticus is rough. Yeah. Yeah. But so he offered to help solve

the comprehension problem. And then solving the comprehension problem was almost the final piece of the puzzle for me. But what happened was even the first time I read scripture, when I understood it, I didn't like it. I didn't. In fact, I finished reading scripture the first time and I did not like God. And that, for a person in full-time ministry, who I've hung my hat on this, like, my earliest memory is saying John 316 with my mom, my second memory is my brother leading me to Christ. While we played shoots and ladders on a Saturday night. Like, I was three and a half years old. I don't know, right? I don't know a world. Perfect. I don't know a world without like God as the center of it. Yeah. And the first time to read the Bible and to walk away and go, I don't like him.

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LiveMamentus.com promo code blurry. What didn't you like? Yeah. There were aspects of his character that I found challenging, and there were things that happened to people who loved him that I did not like. Like God felt more personal, like he had a personality, and... Or God felt genocidal. No, I was...

My problems weren't in the Old Testament. Oh. My problems were in the New Testament. Interesting. Yeah. And so I took those questions to my mentors who had walked through Scripture with. me and God bless the pastor who walked through with me the first time. He, when we finished and I was like,

like I legitimately told him, I said, I think, I think you've ruined my life. I think reading the Bible, what do I do now? Yeah. And he said, okay, Terrily, I've walked with you through the Bible for a year. I've seen the kinds of questions that you ask and that shows me the lens that you're reading the Bible through. That shows me what you're looking for when you read. And so my new challenge for you,

is read it again and stop looking for yourself. Interesting. Start looking for God. What does he love? What does he hate? What motivates him to do what he does? What attributes of his character do you see on the pages here? What does he say and do?

Follow it in the chronological storyline. Again, because that's the way we'd read it the first time. You see cause and effect a lot there. That explains when you see things that look like genocide and when you read it and you understand more of these, the context, you go, oh, I see a lot of cause and effect there. I see a lot, I understand this more now than if I just drop down in the passage out of context. Right.

And so reading through and looking for God, I'm no longer just looking for my to-do list, like how to please, how to be a good Christian who doesn't commit any of the embarrassing sins. I'm no longer reading it to find out how to get what I want out of life. I'm reading it to get to know the God of the universe whose character, every page, is saturated and steeped in the character of God because you see his actions and his words and his relationships. and the Old Testament was where I fell in love with him. Second trip through. It was wild.

Like that, you want to talk about supernatural? That is bonkers. The same book I just read, totally different response because I was looking for a different thing on the pages of scripture. And it came alive to me in a way that I wanted to just, every single Christian, I would be like, do you know about this?

Have you heard that you can love the Bible? Because I just hated it. And now I love it. And I can tell you how to do that. I can help you do that. And so that's why I was, I started this Bible study that kept growing and growing. It was me and nine college girls. And then all of a sudden it was 1,200 women. How do you run that? You said that before. How do you run a 1200 women Bible study? Virtually. We had we had in person groups. We have online groups. But we were, you know, partnering with churches that I would send a video to them every week. And so. But back to that, like, I think we do bring a lot of baggage, emotional. baggage into reading the Bible. Like whether you're politics, grow up West Coast, East Coast, or you don't even grow up in America at all. You know, we've interviewed a lot of people from around the world

who have no problem reading some of the weirder stuff in the Bible because they're like, that happens every day where we live. You know, so Western Christians are a different type of readers. And how do you suspend yourself and your emotional intelligence and use that, but kind of put aside your experiences and read it fresh? because, I mean, a lot of people would come to vastly different conclusions based on what they've been through personally. Yeah. I think it's helpful to have a guide who knows the terrain better.

You go on a hike and you're a first-timer and if there aren't signs or nobody to go with you and you're just trying to figure out that you're Lewis and Clark out there on your own, you're going to hit some rough patches and not know what to do. You're going to maybe make some lethal mistakes. Yeah. But if you have a trusted guide who goes along with you. And so for me, some of those guides were pastors. Some of those guides were commentaries, study Bibles, things like that. Even I've been to Israel 23 times going and seeing where the stories happen and getting to know the people who still live in that culture. And seeing how that culture works and doesn't work in some ways, you understand things more.

And so the good news is you don't have to. understand it on your first trip through. Yeah. The good news is every day for the rest of your life as a follower of God, you get to be on this divine scripture hunt, a scavenger hunt in scripture. You get to be looking for him every day and discovering more about him and understanding more. So I'm never, I shouldn't expect to understand it all on my first trip through.

And the questions that I have prompt me to probe deeper and understand more because I can understand more all the time. Scripture says his ways are unsearchable. And so it doesn't mean you can't understand him. It means you'll never plumb the depths of him. Yeah. Which is great because I don't like to be bored. I always want something new to look into.

What was it that bothered you so much in the New Testament the first time through? I had a very high view of man. What man deserved. What man, what God owed man. And I later found out when scripture addresses these things, the way that theologians refer to it is I had a high anthropology and a low Christology. I had a low view of God and a high view of man. And so I looked at scripture and I was like, I don't like what God did.

I wouldn't do it that way. I would make a better God than you. And man, to tell you guys that I read the Bible and didn't like it but believed it was true, like I still believed it was true. And that was terrifying because I, I realized, do you know who else feels that way? Satan. Satan has read it all, knows it's true, and doesn't like it.

And I'm like, I feel the same way about God in the Bible that Satan feels. You can see why it's terrifying. You can see why when my pastor said, read it again, that I was like, I'll do anything. Yeah. Because I was desperate. And so as I'm looking for the character of God on the pages of scripture, instead of looking for myself, and he is coming alive to me in a way that I hadn't heard people talk about and I hadn't ever discovered on my own. And I can't put that off on anybody else. I grew up in a Christian

bookstore. My family owns a Christian bookstore. I have access to all of the words that I can study about God and I just didn't. And so that is on me that I hadn't seen these things. But whenever I'm looking for God and finding him, my views of man and God, flipped to where I had a high Christology and a low anthropology. And my understanding of everything, like, I have committed treason against the kingdom of light. In a very real sense, I deserve hell and death. That's what I deserve. Even like, yeah, just the things that are thoughts that don't ever become actions.

Yeah. Are divine treason. Secret places. Yes. Yes. other people. And yet, the God of the universe was like, before the foundation of the world is like,

she's going to need me. Yeah. And I'm going to make a way. She doesn't deserve it, but I love her. She's made in my image. I'm going to buy her back. I'm going to make a way to buy her back. Through nothing that I've done,

through the finished work of Jesus on the cross, attributed him taking my death penalty, and then also him living a righteous, life and his righteousness attributed to me. So not only do I get not punished and sent to hell for eternity, but in addition to that, I get life in the kingdom forever. Like the great exchange is what theologians call that. It's hard to be, I mean, it's hard to be a Christian and spend your whole life. Like I grew up at Christian school as well and kind of was like Saturday was the only day off for me. But I mean, how do we as people like sort of set aside our pride? Because I think everyone wants to read

the Bible in their own prideful way and come to their own conclusion about what it says. And, you know, that's something that every Christian sees. And most people don't do what you do. They sort of deconstruct and walk away from. I was about permanent. Our generation, too, Terrily. Like, we talk about Nate's musician friends. And I have seen a lot of folks in my sphere that are of our age.

And Nate and Nate's 45, 44. for our friends just got to that same point where you were and they had a high, a low Christology and high anthropology, as you put it, which I think was pretty brilliant. But that's where they walked away. They didn't go back and read again. They couldn't hold that tension. Yeah. Yeah.

The way you describe it to me is like, here is this culturally iconic film. And you watched it the first time and you couldn't stand it. And everyone's like, no, no, no, this movie is amazing. You got to go watch it again. And you didn't give up. You're going to watch it again. the director's cut. Read the interview with the guy who, yeah. And you kept going back and seeing more little things like, oh, this is a good movie. Right. Yeah. This is a good. Wait a minute. Why didn't I see this?

And sometimes there's these films where you can watch them 20 times and you pick up little new stuff every time. Absolutely. And I feel like the Bible, the beginning is the end and the end is beginning. It is a movie and it's the best. And it's what we base filmmaking off of. Yeah. And we tend to think like, Hollywood invented everything. And it's like, no, no, no. God invented storytelling better than anybody. And if you read the Bible in that way, you can read it over and over and over. And it's a loop. Yeah. Hey, remember that viral video? Yeah, back in the day.

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because they come to a similar conclusion? I think this is the deconstructing. I've always thought that people to deconstruct their hypothesis or their thesis is that they remake God in their image saying like I actually

have a higher moral standard. You know, I don't want anybody to go to hell. I think these, you know, I could make better, as you said it, Greg, I can make better decisions morally than God. Yeah. If this is who you are, I don't like you. Yeah. Yeah.

I, the things that you're saying, I think, are what's a lot of people's experience, a lot of people and friends of mine who've walked away. And when I've sort of, I actually just had a conversation with a couple friends, we were having dinner the other night. We ended up talking until like midnight afterward about. our friends who deconstructed. And I was sort of observing what is the common thread. And most of them have a deep wound. It's not always church hurt. Sometimes it is. But sometimes it is something that happened in their life that was a wound. And in that space, they have decided to not seek

comfort in the one place that can be found, but to seek it in rewriting their worldview, rewriting who God is. And some of them have come back around, which has been, they've gone, okay, I've tried it all, and that actually wasn't it, and I've come back to this. But I think that high anthropology

is at the root of all that, that idea that I deserve more than this. So, for instance, for me, just good Christian girl, you know, a student, checked all the right boxes, didn't cuss, didn't watch our rate of movies, no sex before marriage,

no drugs, no drinking, all those things. And in my sphere, the language was, oh, you know, God is, you're going to have a great husband someday. God's going to, guess what? Still single. It still has not panned out the way everyone told me that it would pan out. And so for some people, they don't get what they want. And they're like, God's holding out on me.

But guess what? God didn't promise that to me. People did. people told me that was what God had for me. And there were times I certainly thought God promised it to me because I would do Bible roulette where I just, you know, like, and look, God, you said this. I'm going to claim this promise for myself

and back you into a corner. And reading scripture in context, one of the things I hit was that a lot of those verses that I held up as my like, yes, God's going to come through for me, weren't about me at all. And I'm confronted with the fact that I'm, you know, quoting Jeremiah 29-11. Yes, I was going to say.

And for those of you out there who don't know Jeremiah 29-11 off the top of your head, it basically is like, I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you, not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. And it sounds really good. And to me, I'm like, yes, a husband, you know? And you read it in context and you go, okay, one of the things I had to train myself to do is who was this written to? Who was this written about?

Yeah. And so this is the prophet Jeremiah talking to people who are about to go into 70 years of exile. And he's letting them know, like, hey, exile's not the end. God's going to bring you out of exile. You're going to go back to Jerusalem. He's going to restore things. But some of those people died in exile. Sure.

And so the question then is, well, that wasn't true for them. That wasn't true. You know, God didn't give them a hope in a future. But it's written to a people group, not an individual person. And here I am trying to snatch this verse out of ancient Jewish context that's written two exiles in Babylon and make it about me and a husband. Like, how dare I? How, the audacity. A whole generation of, you know, I grew up with older sisters and like I was the youngest and, you know, around of them and all their friends.

And this was definitely a theme. And like, I remember thinking to myself, like, Christianity is so confusing. And I remember thinking that as a kid. And I think that as we grow, it's easy to kind of go, man, none of us get it. I don't understand. I'm just going to walk away. I'm going to try to live the best moral life I can. But something you said earlier, I think is interesting to me.

I think Christians have this view that Satan just doesn't care about the conversation. No, he's reading his Bible too. He's reading scripture from a completely different way. He's twisting it back. He's twisting it. Oh, yeah. And we have this idea that it's not too, like, moral systems fighting against each other. It's an anti-woralist. It's like, no, no, no, the messaging is always twisted.

There's, he wants to read it, you know, catch God on a technicality, use it against him. And I think a lot of Christians do the same thing. We read the Bible with this, I'm going to use this as a weapon and force people into my perspective and guide you this way or that way, instead of removing yourself from it and trying to actually read it, right? Is that? Yeah, I think so too. Or manipulation, as you said. We read it to be like, well, God promise. Mr. O's me. He owes me something, right? Yeah. And man, Satan loves nothing more than that. That's been the lie from the beginning, is God is holding out on you. And I was just talking to my brother the other night, another like midnight conversation on the phone with my brother. And we were just

kind of hypothesizing about when we think the fall of the angels happened. Let's go. And there's, obviously, I'm not going to, I'm not going to plant my flag in anything that scripture doesn't clearly say. One of the things we say at the Bible recap is we don't scream where scripture whispers and we don't whisper where scripture screams. So this is a place where scripture barely whispers. There's like a couple verses about it, right? So I'm not going to, I'm not going to like say this is how it is. But here's, it's okay to speculate in this space. Here's what makes sense to me, potentially. And I'm probably wrong. 90% chance I'm wrong. I think possibly that the fall of the angels happened

almost immediately between the creation of man and the fall of man. I think it was a very short time period. And my theory behind that is up until humans were made, God had not made anything in his image,

including angels. So angels not made in his image, and all of a sudden, God makes something in his image. It's more glorious in a way, you know? And I think the angelic

realm looked at that and was incited toward jealousy. Sure. And decided God's holding out on us. God is not good. God can't be trusted. Launch a rebellion and attack against the thing they were jealous of to spread that lie to them. That God's holding out on you. You think you're better than me, you know?

And he gave us families, which is very interesting. Yeah. Because all of a sudden we are not, or also. we're image bearers, but we also can procreate. Yeah. We can have our own families. And I have a theory about why angels can't procreate, which is all the angels that we see in scripture are male.

If you're all male, you can't procreate, which would perhaps, which would perhaps launch us into Genesis 6, right? Yeah. Which is day two of the Bible recap. People are like, boy, you did not skip on that. This is what we want to go because you can read the entire Bible. We don't get to skip anything, guys. You don't just skip it.

Yeah. So, I mean, what do you, how do you? And there's been a lot of massaging to make that not be a weird part of scripture. And we've talked about that. But also, like, for you, I mean, you have such a mainstream lane, right? The Bible, as we talk about the show, has so many weird things. When you come to things like Genesis 6, how do you address and speak about that in a way that honors the scripture? Yeah.

doesn't just make people comfortable. I think this is maybe the problem with the church in general is that we live in this sort of like moral therapeutic deism at church and we separate, we talk with this all the time, separate ourselves from the supernatural, but then you, you're reading the Bible, you're 16 times through, you can't. You can't skip these like a pastor can. I think people get prideful here. And they go, well, this is too, I want it to, I want to read it a different way. Because this is just too outside of the box. Yeah. So what I like to do, whenever I hit a text that there are multiple theories on. And it could be one or the other.

Someone could make a reasonable argument this way that they can support biblically. I mean, eschatology, things like that. Like end time stuff. I'm just like. Predestination. Everyone fights about this and that and this. So I'm basically going to say, some people believe this. Some people believe this.

Here are some links in the show notes. I'm not going to not address it. I'm going to address it and I'm going to present those views. And here's what I'm also usually not going to do. I'm usually not going to reveal my hand, what I believe, because I've read the Bible enough times to watch my views change. I've held a firm opinion about an open-handed issue and God has gone, okay, no, open your hand on this.

Because this maybe has some other reasonable arguments that you hadn't considered. Sometimes I've changed opinions the more I've read scripture. And I always want to keep learning and always want to keep growing and not assume that I've reached the pinnacle of all knowledge. And so on those issues, I address them. And I'll say, some people believe this, some people believe this. And in some conversations, I'm happy to share what I believe. And some I'm like, no. And I don't want to pastor anybody. That's the other thing is I'm not a pastor. So I don't have to pastor and shepherd a flock through that conversation. I think it's a smarter approach because I think you tune people out.

They immediately turn it off or they get mad or they get emotional about it. I mean, Kathy Lee Gifford came on and she says, one thing I was told early on my career, never talk politics. And I don't think she, you could tell she had a lot of thoughts and feelings about things. And as you study the Bible, you're going to have more and more. Some of the researchers claim that the ancient giants had two rows of teeth. Two, can you imagine the amount of grinding those teeth in their sleep? It's hard enough to keep one row teeth healthy. What are we going to do?

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run into this through your year of Bible reading, and you're like, man, this one's a tough one. Is it start with Genesis 6? me or tough to explain or that other people have a hard time with. Just the most wrestling you do mentally with a passage of scripture when you run into it. I would say the hardest episode for me to write was the episode on baptism because I have a view and other people that I respect who I actually think are smarter than me and know the Bible better than me and have lived longer than me have a different view than I have. And I wanted to represent the view as well. So what I did with the baptism episode was I interviewed a pastor with each different

viewpoint. And I said, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to take notes on what you wrote. I'm going to write the episode, give it back to you and see if you feel like your view is accurately represented. And then I want you to tell me if you can tell from what I've written what my view is. Because I wanted to bury my view. And so that was a very hard episode to write was baptism. And the place I will plant my flag is, I'm not going to plant my flag in a type of baptism or a, like, a method of baptism or an age of baptism or any of that, but I will plant my flag in the fact that baptism is not salvific, that baptism doesn't save you. And so there are places, it's not that I'm just like, oh, she waters everything down. Like, no, I will scream where scripture screams.

And that's one of the things that believe scripture screams about. Waters it down. Yeah. Well done. That was good. Hey. Really waters it down because I'm going full immersion. That's my view. Get out of here. I love it. Yeah.

No, it is. It is a strange. There's these strange things. And we didn't, you know, I remember getting baptized when I was about nine. You know, I kind of knew what I was doing. But then I've learned a lot more about baptism, just doing the show about the represent, like, what water means. And the chaos and spiritual warfare. And people have come on the show.

and been baptized and they manifest demons and then they go out, they, you know, it's something is happening that is beyond our, it's not just something we do. Yeah. Yeah. It is, it is so, I'm, that's something I'm really interested to find out the full,

like, tell me more in the kingdom, you know, like, where's John Bonnet and tell me about baptism, you know? True, we know where she is, but like, who killed her? Yeah. But, Jimmy Hoffa. That's the other one. But I think it's such, I really want to, I would love to know more about the mystery of baptism. And you will probably get letters from people who are like, I can't believe she said,

baptism isn't salvific. Here, all the scriptures, blah, blah, blah, you know. And so we get those two. But I think that's one of the things that scripture is clear on, but there are a lot of things scripture is not clear on that is very mysterious. And I find beautiful. What about the Old Testament? You're going through a lot.

There's a lot happening in Genesis. I mean, a lot of theologians say, I could stay in Genesis my whole career because they keep finding stuff. What are you bumping into that you're like, I've got to reread that a couple times. I've changed my view on this now because I've read this for the 30th time. 16th time. What's different with 16th time?

One of the, man, one of the things I've seen happen, I'll say two things. One is I almost always have a least favorite prophet, and then within a few years, I start to like him. So right now, Ezekiel is my least favorite prophet, but I used to not like Isaiah. And so I've watched my view, my heart change in those spaces. But as far as like texts that I'm trying to understand, that I never will understand, to be honest, been digging in, this is in the New Testament, but it's a reference to the Old Testament. Jude 9, referencing the body of Moses after Moses' death where the Archangel Michael and Satan are fighting over Moses's corpse. What? We have an episode on that. Yeah. I got to go listen to it because I have some theories. What are I?

I mean, if you were. This is a safe place. That's what all podcasters say that give me in trouble. But it's actually what here? No. Because you get people the license to get weird. now. Yeah. We like, I mean, you should be able to talk about these things. Yeah, that's true. That's true. So again, I have no firm doctrine on the corpse of Moses. I haven't written that paper. But

my thought, if I'm trying to go, okay, hmm, the enemy, the supernatural enemy has a history of the kind of demonization that embodies humans. They take on that image-bearing form and do commit atrocities, do heinous things. And so if Moses, who has been leading God's people, who's been the mouthpiece of God to his people, were to suddenly be reanimated by the enemy, he could go back to the people that God is leading

as a person who's recognized as the mouthpiece of God to his people, and tear apart any kind of truth that he had formerly uttered. Moses is zombie. I like this. This is, this is, this is, there's zombies in the... Terrily, I like this. I haven't heard this theory. Yeah.

We talked about this before with Dr. Joel, because he was, is interesting because there's a, seems there's a parallel with Joseph when he wants, make sure his bones come back and he's buried with his patriarchs, not in Egypt. Yeah. which is so cool because it says he knows I'm not I'm not going to be in Egypt forever like God's promise is true like that's a testament to faith in God right well it's the Jeremiah it's also the Israelites that are promised the promised land and some don't get there yeah ever right and one of the things we talked about with the bones of Moses is that that he wanted to be

buried or in this case it was Yahweh and Satan was to have him on the land that belonged to Yahweh and not. And that's the thing with Joseph, too, was that he didn't want his bones to be under the dominion or of the gods of Egypt. Yeah. But in the land that belonged to his fathers to Yahweh. Yeah.

Which is fascinating. Regardless, but- Is zombie Moses the title of this episode? Yeah, it is, it is. But regardless. If we don't do that, we're missing big time. But it's a theme, it's like, okay, I mean, when I watched a movie when I was 14 years old,

I didn't understand the hierarchy of a story and a scene. You had to understand other things outside of that in life and have context. And so what we've done for a lot of listeners is just give them a way more context to understand a story like this. But the Bible doesn't do that. It just hits it and then keeps going as if the readers know, yeah, supernatural beings fight over bones all the time.

You don't know that? Right. Well, the original audience had more. Way more context. And, you know, so we hit that and we go, I think the Tennessee is just, go, skip over that, next verse. And then everyone in the crowd's like, what? You know, so there seems to be this, I think this sort of sad thing that happens in church is we just skip it. We just skip over those things. Can I tell you what I am seeing as a current trend slash problem of people skipping

over things? Yeah, sure. I literally was just telling a friend this morning, I feel like, and maybe thanks to you, people are talking about this stuff now. I mean, I hear so many podcasts and conversations about Nephilim and all. Like, there's just so much, like, it's, I don't think it is, I don't think it lives in the basement anymore of the basement of our faith. Used to be just Chuck Missler. It was like the 90s. It was Chuck Missler.

What are you talking about? Right here in the basement. This is where it lives, baby. It does it. It lives in the basement, but it also comes up at the dinner table, you know? Sure. The thing I. Starts in the basement.

Yes. moves to the main house main floor right that sounds right yeah then it's out in the streets yeah um i i don't hear the gospel in churches anymore i hear i hear the bible i hear good ways to live in response to the gospel but i hear a lot about like how to raise godly kids and how to vote and how and not that those things aren't things we should talk about you know um but i hear i hear how to live your best life, how to clean yourself up, how to get your acts together. And I literally was in a church service one time. And the pastor had been sharing a lot of like anecdotes and stories. And then he said, this is the gospel that you should die to self and serve others. And I was like,

that's not the gospel. That's, that's not the good. That's a great response to the gospel. That's a great way to live after you have received the gospel. Sure. But I don't hear the gospel articulated, and it burdens me because I think, I know my heart, guys. I know that I want to check a box. I want to make a list. I want to do the right thing. And I'm going to think God owes me something.

And it's going to feed into that high anthropology. But when I'm reminded of the gospel that I deserve hell and death, but that Jesus came to earth, fully God, fully man, talk about weird, right? Supernatural and that, like, just that, the incarnation and the resurrection and the ascension, all that, very weird stuff is the basis of our faith. And so, like, that's super weird stuff. Yeah. And the gospel is, he came and he lived the life I couldn't live, achieved every bit of righteousness that the Father requires. It was attributed to me on, like, he gave it to me on my behalf, do no good deeds of my own. And when I hear all of this just to-doisms in the Bible,

but I never am reminded of the beginning, like the core, like how I got into relationship with him to begin with, I think we're skipping over the most important message in Scripture to talk about other things that are really interesting and that are great responses to Scripture. Is it easier to read and pick the ingredients you like? like, like, I feel like the Bible is very balanced, you know, it's not just supernatural. It's not just moral. It's kind of a mixture of all these things. Like, is that how you should read it?

Like, as time goes on and we learned to let's let's let all the ingredients fall down. But there's no really like, you know, when you're cooking a meal, it's too heavy on this or that. Yeah. It's like. More butter. Yeah. So one of the things that I love. Gageroom butter, though.

Makes everything better. I love every year, I'll kind of give myself a new assignment of something to look for in scripture. And it's not to say that I'm reading it through that lens, because I still think the lens we should look for is read through is to like to look for God. But here's, I want to see what God teaches about sin. I want to see what God teaches about relationships. I want to see what God teaches about prayer. Like, so I will look for what does God say about women? What does God say about church? What does God say? And every year I'm sort of on a new, like, hey, keep your eyes peeled for this specific thing. And every trip through, I have a new study that I'm embarking on

essentially in the Word of God to see, how does this help me understand God better? And how does this help me understand that thing better? But I'm really, I really want to know about God's heart. You know, what is God's heart on these situations? What is God's heart on money? What is God's heart on prayer? What is God's heart on these things? And so that to me is, is, it makes it a fun, new way to learn every year without just getting so pigeonholed into like my little niche, my hobby horse or my whatever it is that I miss all the other stuff. Yeah. It's interesting because like when you make a film, if you do it, if sometimes a whisper is more powerful than a shout. And sometimes if we, these things are too loud in scripture, they overtake it.

And so I think a lot of times Christians will read and go, well, it's just shout. It just whispers it. I'm like, have you seen a dynamic scene where they cut out all the music? And it's just like a war scene. There's no, it's silent. Yeah. Like an openheimer when there was just these moments in silence and he's trying, he's trying to convey just the moral implication of creating an atom bomb or something. Silence was the best way to communicate that.

And it was more powerful than it was just blasted full of. So I think scripture does a really good job at just a little garnish of. Yes. And the weird. And it keeps you, I think it intrigues people. Totally. Invites them to study more. Yeah.

It's just, it's a piece of art. And it's also a story. And it's, you know, the gospel. And it's all these things at the same time. And it's just so. Man, I love the way you describe scripture. You're like describing it like great movies that I've never seen because I'm a Christian. but um yeah that one was rated art we have not seen that one meals and you know all like

you just it's like you describe the bible beautifully i just i think that way i just everything seems to be a picture of of creation everything you can find god and everything and yeah but god is the relationship with his son is i think the dynamic that we're all like looking for but there's just a little like, you know, ways that normal people can understand who he is. And movies is obviously in the 80s. You have Lord of the Rings quota every episode, too. To me, it always goes back to Field of Dreams. Or signs.

Guys, I haven't seen any of these movies. About point break. I have to make it. Or Waterworld. Yeah, Waterworld. Yeah. This is why we don't have a lot of highbrow listeners because we fall off the wagon. Well, no, everybody, these are all people, these are common movies that everybody loves like Lord of the Rings and I haven't seen it.

And Waterworld. Kevin Costor's most underrated movie, obviously. Is it about baptism? Well, see, now we're making metaphors. I like where we're going with this. It could be. I just watch documentaries about murder. I just think like the best movies are rip-offs of scripture.

Really? Oh, for sure. You know? There's like, oh, that's the theme. And they just, the moral lesson there is. is one I'm like, oh, that's, you know, that's a story of Joseph. Or, and I think, you know, I have these foreshadows of Jesus coming and then he shows up. And I think we do ourselves a disservice by not putting it all together in one big story and reading it all the way through.

Yeah. We take 10 minutes of the highlight reel. Yeah. And then we go, we debate that and we come to wild conclusions because there's no context. Yeah. At the same time, I think there's a reverence to treat those. weird things that are exciting and engaging, like I would never want to treat the Bible

like God is the like sideshow circus freak, you know? Like the guy who's 7 foot 11 and like, people are just like, pose in a photo with me, but they're never like, how's your heart? You know, like they just, they just want him to like be weird. And so I think checking out, yeah, sorry Bigfoot. But I think those things. He wants a second date.

He's out there. Well, you reminded me of something to early. It was like, you did that meme that says, like, people always ask where Bigfoot is, not how he is. Not how he is, yeah. Yeah, not how he's doing. I mean, as time progresses, are you seeing more of the little whispers? Oh, yeah.

And, I mean, and again, I think part of it is learning more all the time. Yeah. And then your life experiences, your relationships, your conversations, your conversations, what you learn from other people, those things start to take on new textures and dimensions. That thing I said to you about Moses, that's not my thought. That comes from a mentor of mine who is gifted in, he has the gift of discernment of spirits, which by the way is what the gift is, not just discernment. It's not just like, I have good discernment. It's discernment of spirits. And a mentor of mine is gifted in that realm. And this is a conversation I had with him when I hit Jude,

and I was like, what is this talking about? And he's like, here's what I think it is. And he explains it to me, the lay of the land and all of scripture. And I'm like, oh, wow. Talk about that. What is, what do you mean by that? What is, what is the gift of the sermon of spirits? Is that saying, like, this is a demon? That's an unclean spirit. This is Lilith. I mean, what does that mean exactly? Yeah, I have, this is the man who is on staff at a church. And I have known him for a long time and really respect him and his theology. And he's been kind of a spiritual father to me in a lot of ways. And the ways that I have heard him explain scripture to me, some of it was stuff I had never thought, would never thought to ask. And then he explains it and I'm like,

okay. And then I do deeper research and I understand. But his experiences, I mean, having performed exorcisms and like he's, he, if I needed an exorcism, he's the guy I would call, you know. That's a good friend to have in case you need one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, And so hopefully I should say, if I needed an exorcist, he's the guy I would call him. Sure, yeah, both ways. Both ways. Yes, and, right? Like, he's the guy who taught me that scripture doesn't use the phrase demon possessed. It uses the phrase demonized.

And we have what we feel like are these safe categories. Yeah. And even things like, you know, one of the conversations that I had with him early on that was mind-boggling to me was me. And I can't remember how it started. but we were talking about, I think I probably said something like, well, you know, Satan can't read my mind. And he was like, what makes you think that?

And I was like, well, he's not omniscient. And he's like, that's not omniscient. Just because you know something doesn't mean you know everything. Yeah. And he's like, thoughts are frequencies. Let's go. And show me chapter and verse that says that Satan can't read your mind, that the demons can't read your mind.

So this is terrifying to me, right? I'm like, Satan can read my mind? And he's like, first of all, he can read human nature. Like, the enemy of your soul, they've been around for thousands of years, studying human nature. They know, they know human nature. It's like, screw tape letters. Like, they know. Absolutely.

And he's like, but he said, can I tell you in my experience? And again, this is one human person speaking. This is from their experience. And so I'm not going to plant a flag in this. But I believe, I have no reason not to believe him. And I've tested it. I'll tell you about that in a second. But he said, in my experience, demons being able to read your mind is actually to your advantage.

It's actually advantageous to you. I believe it's a failsafe God built in. And I was like, what? Say more. And I have friends who are afraid to pray out loud because they don't want the enemy to hear what they want. So you want to talk about like the enemy trying to cripple you out of fear. Like don't pray out loud, right? I think the exact opposite.

it. You only pray out loud? Well, I think if you pray out loud, it's, it's going to send out the signal that they're going to get out of there. Yeah. I don't want to be around that. We'll continue, though. So what, uh, what he said to me, and I'm going to give him a name. I'll call him Bob. So Bob says to me that he regularly in his, in his line of work, experiences demonic attack, which doesn't surprise me. Yeah. And, and not just in like a, I got a flat tire or whatever, but like in the real way. And he says, you know, typically he, he sleeps on his stomach and he typically wakes up to his head being pressed into the pillow. He typically wakes up in a night terror situation where he can't speak. And he said, I can still

pray in my mind. I can still pray the name of Jesus in my mind, cast out demons in my mind, and it works. That's great. That's a great argument. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so he's like, I will say the name of Jesus over and over in my mind enough that it actually unlocks my actual voice. And so I've had a few night terrors that have felt like those situations, and I tried it out, and it worked for me. And then I had another situation where I was like, this is pretty incredible. And I would handle this situation that I'm about to tell you about differently now. But I was sitting at a cafe in New York City, and there was a guy on the sidewalk 10 feet away from me who has appeared to be. manifesting some kind of demonic entity or entities.

And he's, you know, yelling at the air and flailing his hands and screaming. It just kind of looks out of his mind. And I just prayed silently to what Bob, how Bob taught me to pray, binding the enemy, speaking in the name of Jesus, casting the enemy away, send them to the feet of Jesus. Yeah. And the man just kind of looked confused and got in his right mind and just walked off. That's wow. And I was like, okay, I might have done that man a disservice because scripture says, if you kick the enemy out and you don't fill the house with the spirit of the Lord, they bring back others.

So that's why I say, I don't know what happened there. That could have been a coincidence. I don't have the gift of discernment of spirits. So I may not have had an accurate read on that situation. And I might have, I would handle it differently, probably. See, that's why I love our show because that's, these are... TLC, mental exorcist. Well, I mean, even in the New Testament, there's that moment where Jesus says,

he knew what they were thinking and then he would respond before they even responded, you know, like Jesus could read their minds. We've had the same conversation about frequencies, about how thoughts operating on a frequency. see, that's just, it can be, it's like an antenna. Can you pick it up? Yeah. A lot of people think that's how humans use to communicate. And because a lot of people will have wild stories where things are, it seems like we

can receive, we just can't, but maybe we are transmitting. And maybe, you know, because I mean, I feel, I feel sad for the demons are trying to listen to your thoughts. That's right. That's why we're EMF blocking anywhere. Because I don't want to say you read in my mind. I will also say, then how much weightier is it? If the enemy can read our mind, how much weightier is it?

when we read scripture that talks about how to guard our minds. Yeah, how many salvation? Like, it is absolutely. And whatsoever things are true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent, praiseworthy, think about these things. And I think God knows how our thoughts impact our brain. He built it. And God also knows that those things are, they're, it's an act of warfare against the enemy

to think good thoughts. it's an act of warfare against the enemy to live in the way that God calls us to live. Like to live obedient lives. You know, I had this conversation with a team member of mine. We like to think of warfare as like casting out demons and things like that. Sure. But an act of warfare is sometimes like telling yourself, I'm not going to commit the sin that I want to sin right now. I'm going to choose obedience instead.

Like it's the boring warfare. But that's, man, that's the regular warfare that we live in. It's thinking the right thoughts, doing the right things. that is an act, that is a death blow to the enemy. And Paul says in Romans that we transform ourselves by the renewing of our minds. It's like there's something, it's a really interesting idea to think about

what we fill our head. It was not only for like the moralistic thing that we're like, we're trying to not sin and do these things that we obviously do, but the idea that we're supposed to write scripture in our hearts and minds. Yeah. And that our transformation is a renewing of our mind.

So then this conversation isn't so weird in that context. Yeah. because you are fighting this battle. It's a battlefield of the mind. Isn't that one like a book supposed to read and we're in high school or something? It's true.

It's, I, in the past couple of years, I've really enjoyed studying scriptures. One of the, last year, the lens that I read scripture through was looking for like quantum physics, quantum theory stuff in scripture. I love that. String theory. Yeah. And I'm very, I'm not a scholar in those regards either.

And so I don't know a lot, but I sure do love to learn about it and talk about it. Let me ask you something because I'm sure the answer is going to be what we expect, but 500 million downloads, I'm just knocking something off here. What I read says that like 20,000 plus churches use the content that you've created. And what is that spiritual warfare, if you personally, like, I mean, he tells a story about a demonized man in New York, maybe some night terrors, but, you know, I know Nate and I have talked from time to time

about sort of the things that happened to us just doing this show, and it's not on the level of what you do. I mean, what is that? Do you feel a lot of spiritual warfare around your life in general? Or do you think that is the flip side of that you have, you know, a lot of protection? How does that play out for you? Because we know that spiritual warfare can be totally overplayed too. Like you said, like I had a flat tire or I was late for something.

That's the devil, you know? My par broke down. And sometimes things just break. If you own a home, you know everything breaks anyway. It's not necessarily spiritual warfare. It can be. But how does that, how does it look to be in your shoes when you're obviously inspiring people to read the Bible? People's lives are being changed by reading the Word of God and you're reaching, you know, 500 million people with, I mean, that's a crazy thing.

It is wild and it is something I never set out to build and certainly feel ill-equipped to handle, but I know he gives me what I need for it, you know. I'll be honest, yesterday was a really tough day. Yesterday, just everything kind of went sideways. And it was just these little things. Like, you know, if just one happens in a day, but then when it's literally at every turn, everything kind of goes sideways. And I told my assistant last night, I was like,

I think the enemy knows that, like, he can't steal my soul, like that Jesus has me. And I think the enemy, enemy knows that he can't thwart the work that God is doing. He can't stop this work. Because what God initiates, he will sustain and he will fulfill. He who began a good work in me will carry it on to the day of completion. So I think that the enemy's primary tactic is going to be to get me to feel discouraged and hopeless and frustrated and be mean to the valet and be short. Like, I think that that's how he's trying to work in my life. And so for me,

what spiritual growth has looked like is faster repentance for lesser offenses. It means catching myself quicker before I say the harsh thing, catching myself quicker before the bad attitude sets in and reminding myself of the truth and going like, you know, I know, I needed to steam this jacket to be on the show

and it took us like an hour to get a steamer and I didn't get all the sleep I needed and like all of these just little, well, thank you. I don't see a wrinkle. Perfect. It's a great color. Thank you. It's a great color.

I was trying to use it out with your shoulders pads, shoulder pads. That's great. Yeah. But just all these little tiny things, like something as little as like not be able to get a steamer for an hour. It's the compounding of these things. Yes. And so just, so for me, and I don't know how anybody else who's in ministry, what there's, I've heard crazy stories. I don't think anything really crazy has happened to me.

I'm probably a much simpler target. He just wants my attitude. He just, I really think the enemy just wants me to despair and be bitter and angry. And here's why I got to catch those things is because people who have platforms, people who listen to people, when people listen to people talk, those people are more likely to have entitled hearts and to be greedy and to be arrogant. And guess what I just said from the whole beginning was low anthropology. So if I'm reading this and it's supposed to diminish my anthropology,

and increase my Christology and the way I love others in the world around me, but in my daily life, I'm going, me, me, mine, mine. Yeah. Dude, he's gonna get me. He's gonna get me. I gotta take that stuff out. I gotta catch it.

And like, that's why God bless my assistant. She's like this, like if Mr. Rogers were a beautiful woman. You know, like she's the kindest. Like she always is gonna point me back in the right place. and I've got to have those people around me to help me catch those things that I might miss. And he go, hey, your attitude feels like the enemy might be trying to poke you right now.

You know? You feel like that's what Jesus says, you know, when you do the least of these, you do it under me. Like, it's more than just like, to me, just the least of the people on the bottom of the list. It's like you're training yourself 24-7, to understand that you're part of a spiritual war, you're part of a battle, that things you think,

things you're projecting into the world, the way you treat the person that doesn't deserve to be, you know, in your mind, there's some hierarchy and all humans have it, you know, before the show we were talking about how, you know, when musicians blow up, then all of a sudden they forget your number, you know. It's not that they're like consciously trying to diminish other people or have this, I'm better than you attitude. It just slowly kind of creeps in. And I do think a lot of spiritual warfare is just, I got it. It's all about me. And pride and selfishness takes over, not being demonized, so to speak.

Yeah. But it seems like we're constantly putting a frequency into the world. And especially, I think Jesus did that. I think everywhere he went, just him being there, people felt loved. He didn't say anything. And they're like, coming to him. Yes. They're drawn to him because it's like, whatever you're putting out, I want it.

want it. Yeah. Yeah. And we can do that through him, obviously, and we don't. Right. We're like pissed because the coffee's bad. Right. There is a winsomeness that I believe the person of Jesus and the character of Jesus, it's, I think it's possible for us to tap into more of that because the fruit of his spirit demonstrated through us, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. It's not fruits of the spirit. It's one fruit with nine attributes. And his spirit lives in us.

And it's like, this is the fruit. This is the evidence that I'm in you. And so what I've seen him do is transform me in ways that very much aren't me. Like, it's a joke, but it's true. I like to let people merge in traffic now. And I don't know where that came from except the Holy Spirit of God. Because your girl owns the road. And all of a sudden, I'm like, no, I'm like, no, I'm.

I inherit the earth. I can share that 200 yards with you. Like, come on over. I'm a Christian. And you, you know? Yeah, exactly. And it is why, when I see him show up in me in ways that aren't me. Yeah.

And that, that is such a testimony to a watching world. And I'm not the person who's like, you know, preach the gospel at all times, if necessary use words. Like, no, the gospel is words. I just talked about that a little bit ago. You demonstrate the gospel at all times and use the necessary words. but in those spaces, a watching world needs a soft, gentle space attitude, I think, more than a harsh, like, demanding. That's not going to present God to them. Well, I think what you're articulating is interesting.

It's like the observation of our society is really a religion of self. And I think that oftentimes we think about a competing kingdom or a competing religion being like Satanism. You know, it's like this church of Satan's competing with the church of Christ. it's not really that. And from the beginning, it's always been a religion of self. It's like, you deserve this. God's holding out on you. And then you look at social media.

And it's just like, me, me, me, look at me, look at me, look at what I'm doing. Look at me. Look at this curated aspect of my life. I think that's the biggest competition. I think that's what we kind of, as you were talking about, what I was hearing is like, there's this competing narrative that, of anthropology, that we are the most important. And that's the lie of society. And that's the lie of Satan.

100%. The lie of Satan. He didn't doubt that God existed. He didn't cause him to doubt that God existed. No. He caused him to doubt that God was good. Yeah. Like God can't be trusted.

And God is holding out on you and you deserve better. There's more for you. Go get it. And Alster Crowley, who actually is the father of modern Satanism, if you will, his mantra was do what thou wilt. Just do what you want to do. Do what makes you happy. Which is like, wait a minute.

Have heard that before? follow your heart. Do it makes you happy. And you go, oh man. So literally the enemy. That's literally following the ways of the enemy. The one place in scripture where Nathan says to David, do whatever is in your heart, the Lord is with you.

And I've seen people clip that out of context and make that like, do whatever is in your heart, the Lord is with you. And then God corrects Nathan and tells Nathan to go back to David and be like, I didn't say that. Like, that's not from me. Well, we saw how David did when he wanted to do what was in his heart. It didn't work out so well. Well, it's hard for you get to an age where you're like, okay, well, it's not self-abandonment.

I don't abandon myself. I don't become such a people-pleaser that I don't enjoy anything. Right. But I don't become so prideful that it's all about me. I think Jesus comes back and restores humanity to people. Like, you heard this said, but I'm telling you this. Yeah. Right?

And so I think that when you start to read the scripture, what do you think the difference is between a disciple and a Pharisee or a Bible expert and somebody who was kind of green, but interested and curious. Whenever I have the opportunity like speak, I spoke to a women's group last weekend and I was telling them, I want to invite you to read through the Bible with me. Like do the Bible recap with me. Start with the 92-day New Testament plan if the whole Bible feels intimidating and get somebody to walk through it with you, like somebody at your local church.

like do it together for accountability's sake. But here's the prerequisite. The person that you're looking to walk you through scripture, it's great if it's somebody who has read the Bible many times, but if that person has read through the Bible many times and doesn't have joy, you do not want them to disciple you. Joy is the prerequisite. And so I think these Pharisees, I mean, the way they responded when Jesus would heal people, like that really, shows their hearts, man. And I mean, even this isn't, it's not just a New Testament problem. In the Old Testament, God was still saying, I don't want your bulls.

I don't want your oxen. Like, that's not what I'm, I'm after your hearts. I want you to love me. Yeah. And you can command people to make sacrifices and you can command people to make, like, obey laws. But having a heart change, you can't command someone to love you. Imagine how would it go if you went home and commanded your wife and your kids to love you? Like, that's a weird command, right?

Yeah. And so it's a thing that only the Holy Spirit of God can activate in us. And the more we behold him, the more we become like him. We become what we behold in him. And so I think these guys were looking at the law. And Jesus told them, John 539, like, you search the scriptures thinking that them you have life. But they testify to me. that relational aspect, that love,

they're looking for laws and not looking for love. And I think that reading scripture it can do as much to harden a heart as it can to soften it. The lens, what you're looking for. And man, we end every day with the Bible of the Bible recap by saying he's where the joy is. And that's what I have found in him.

And that's, I think, the difference between a Pharisee and a disciple is a disciple has joy but you you know earlier you mentioned you didn't like ezekiel for a while and our listeners are dying to know why what about isa he's actually my favorite and why are these really like there's a plethora of characters that god uses and none of them are the same yeah there's a relational difference this guy yeah you know peter was probably the just a handful yeah in the group i like Elijah actually for being honest yeah but god has a special relationship with Some humans. What is it?

Why? What do you think? Ooh, I don't know. I had a conversation last week again with a friend of mine who said, like, God doesn't have favorites. And I was like, he doesn't? I was like, I don't know. He might. He doesn't show favoritism.

Yeah. But in scripture, when we see that, it is about based on people groups and ethnicities and genders. Like he doesn't, like, he, like, that is, I'm like, I don't know, maybe he. It's a conversation. Tell us to John. John was the one that Jesus loved most. Also the fastest of all disciples. The fastest, yeah, speed raisers.

But I'm like, I don't have biblical evidence that God doesn't. Yeah. You know, like God opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble. Sounds to me like you prefer the humble. You know? So I don't know. It was just a conversation. It was not any, like I'm not, again, writing a paper on it.

But I don't know why. And it's so interesting because he tends to pick the people, we wouldn't a lot of times. You didn't like Ezekiel. You know, I don't like Ezekiel. I mean, God certainly used him, but man, he had a tough assignment. It is just, he had to do a lot of tough stuff. And I felt bad for him. And I'm like, boy, if I'm, if that's how you treat your favorites, like, please put me down on the list further.

That's kind of how I would think if I'm just looking at Ezeekeel. and going like, oh, this is one of the people God likes best, you know? But I think it's really, what's interesting to me is a lot of these people who are God's favorites do have very hard assignments, but he's just with them. He's just with them. And so, I mean, David, we look at David, and a lot of people hold him up as this, like, man after God's own heart. And you look at the atrocities committed against Jari, Bathsheba and people think, well, that was the one low spot in his life. And then he really turned it around. And the man on his deathbed issued a death warrant against a man that he

promised to pardon. Like on David's deathbed with his final words to Solomon, he's saying, go get Shemiye and kill him. The guy who cursed me, go kill him. It's my final ask. Right? And you're like, whoa, well, what now? And yet, David is recorded in scripture as man after God's own heart, and he's like in the Faith Hall of Fame, you know? Yeah, when he's of Christ. And so it's wild that God uses these broken people for his perfect purposes. And I don't know why he chooses the people that he does. And I don't, nor what I presume to.

But I know whoever gets chosen for that certainly doesn't, they haven't earned it. It's not because they live good perfect lives. That's what I'll say. Who's a couple of your favorite? Apollos, that's my Bible boyfriend. I love Apollos. And in the Old Testament, I love the Shunamite woman in Second Kings 4. She's just this unassuming, faithful woman who serves the Lord and gets a son and he dies and he gets resurrected, which in the Old Testament,

wild, you know? Who's the MIP? Who's the most improved? Who's somebody that really came back? I mean, wow, I mean, we have to say Paul, right? Who gets the coaches a little? Paul was killing Christians. I think Paul gets the MIP.

Okay. Yeah. Heardy, what do you do with First Kings 18 when, this is why I love Elijah? is he taunt the prophets of bail and says his bail, like using the restroom. Where is he at? And then, we talked about this in Stranger Theology, an episode with Joel. Is this the baldy moment? No, this is when he tucks in his robe and he outruns the chariot. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. I mean. Have you been there? Have you been to not Carmell? We were supposed to go in April. We had a blurry creature's trip where we had set up the tours and we had a few of our guests that were going to come speak and we'd sold the trip. And then there was a little war. So we didn't go.

We're going to get in a year. We are going next April. Oh, sweet. And there's a couple tickets left after. We haven't announced to me. Hey, we have to talk about this after the episode. Yeah. That would be, yeah.

But outrunning the chariot is crazy. Until you see the terrain, chariots don't travel well in that terrain. travel faster by foot than by wheeled vehicle. But he's still running fast. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. I mean, there's the, in the New Testament, when Jesus is going from place to place and the people run faster around the perimeter of the Sea of Galilee than he can go on a boat, you know,

he gets to the next place and they've already beat him there. People be, people be running. Or Philip translates. I mean. Why do you feel like sometimes the scripture doesn't go into detail about certain things? it just kind of keeps going on. You're like, why? I need some more context.

And then it really kind of overemphasizes some other things. What do you think that is? What do you think the narrative is? You are clearly a storyteller. If you leave out some details, I would assume that the thing you're hitting on has more to do with the point you're trying to make. So for instance, that thing I brought up earlier from Jude 9,

that's not even the point of that text. Yeah. The point of the text is that he's just, just like, that's just like a side story to give them the context. And, and so I think that's not even his point. His point is in that text, I want to talk about how you talk to principalities and how you address the enemy. And that, so that's his focus. He just sort of touches on this thing. So my guess is in the places where scripture doesn't give us a lot of context, it's probably because it's not the main point. And it's interesting because the more I read script,

things that I kind of thought were the point, I'm finding, oh, that's not quite as emphasized as I always thought it was. And some of these other things are emphasized more. And it really, the more you read the Bible, the more my understanding of what God values tends to rise to the surface. But I just have brought my own experience,

my own framework, my own ideas of what I want scripture to say, and what I think scripture says, and all of that gets sifted out. every trip through more and more sifting, and I'm going to keep reading, and it's going to be more and more sifting all the time. More diamonds. To find what God values, what he's really pointing to, you know. So you can't, you can have a dinner date with anyone in the Bible, but you can't pick Paul

or Jesus. Apollo, dude. Apollo's. Apollo. What? Why is Apollo out? Because we're in charge of the game. No.

I'm, um, you got to, you got to have an, you got one hour. ask as many questions as possible. I mean, but if you take Apollos and the Shunamite woman off the table, because I'd love to talk to her too. And you said it can't be Paul or Jesus? Yeah. Can't be the easy, top ten people. Can't be the easy answers. Who's your answer?

What's your answer? Jude. Because he's got the, pseudographical. He talks about the weirdest stuff. He knows a lot of weird stuff. Oh, that's story about Moses. He knows about the angels of sin and change. Yeah.

And he was Jesus's brother. Yeah. I like, uh, oh, anyone? God, it's a tough one. It's like... Enoch. He's hanging with Enoch. I mean, that would be awesome. Enoch do a thing too.

It would be Enoch or Jude for me. Maybe John. Yeah. John? Because John also wrote Revelation. I'd be like, bro, what really happened? I need a little more context. What was it like to be boiled in oil and survive?

Yeah, I mean, oh, come on. Wild. How's that cave in Patmos? It's comfy, you know? Yeah. I also think Joseph would be cool. He seemed like a really good, just like an interesting guy. There's a whole story we don't get with him.

Yeah. They're talking about Joseph Father of Jesus or Joseph from Egypt? The cup bearer to the king. Yeah. These were all good options. Lazarus, I want to know if he was angry when Jesus brought him back. Yeah. Like, were you mad?

Yeah. You're like, tell us the story. Come on. Any of the dudes who walked out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection. I love to know. My favorite Easter story, by the way. That is what you're saying. That is the greatest Easter story that never gets told.

It's wild. We have something like, listen. We asked N.T. write about that. We did. He looked at me like, this guy. This guy. this guy. Tom's like, what are we doing?

I think I love critters. Like mostly not domestic animals, but like the wild ones. So I would just love to have a conversation with Adam and Eve, Adam or Eve, to find out like what was it like to hang out with the animals before predator prey relationships existed?

And so what essentially like, what will it be like? I know lion lays down with the lamb, but like, what's your favorite? I love a bobcat, you know? You could just see him riding a woolly mammoth just right through. But I mean, I'd like to ask him like, do you really name these things this or do we just sort of overtake what you named them? What'd you really name all these things?

Well, it's in English now, so I'm sure it doesn't work. Do you feel closer to the characters in the Bible as you read it more and more? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of what I'm getting at? And you start to, I mean, what is it, the phrase, your sanctified imagination. You kind of like imagine things that are extra biblical, but that very well could be true.

It's not fun that. It's like you get to fill up the story a little bit. Like they're real people. They're not characters. They're people. That's what always fascinates me too, is that like we get the highlights. So there's 40 years in the desert

where Moses is probably just mad and they don't do anything except it's hot and the camels need to be fed. And that was their, and we don't get that part of the life because we're just getting the high points. If you've got to water those camels too, not as often as you think.

I just like the dynamic of characters. I just think that's interesting, you know, that there's all these different people, personalities. Yeah. And I have a feeling the angels are just as diverse and their personality. That's an interesting thought. Yeah. Hmm.

Michael wants, he's going to go get the bones, you know. His other guys are like, I don't want to do this again, you know. But he's like, I'll do it. I'll go. I'll get him. I know how to do this. I tripped him up last time. I got a few tricks at my sleep.

I have one last question for you. And that is, this is the 16th, readthrough right now? I think I've done more now. Okay. Yeah. What number are we on? Close to 20 probably. 20? Yeah. What do you, what are you looking for on this readthrough? Hmm. You're going to share? I probably won't share what I'm looking through on this read through. I'm sorry. That's a disappointing answer. That's very mysterious of you. I know. Yeah. But last year, I usually don't talk about it until I'm done. Okay. Last year, the read through looking for like the quantum stuff.

That was so interesting. And it was spawned just by a conversation with a friend of mine about some, some experiments he had read about, totally unrelated. And he's describing these experiments that he had been reading and the results of them. And I was like, that, what you're describing sounds like prayer. And it changed the way I pray. it studying quantum theory changed the way I pray and and also changed the way I, you know, read through the Bible.

Like thinking about time? Yeah. Yeah. So. There's a study that we talked about on the show once in a night where Philip? Not that one. Where people were praying. They did a study of people prayed for people in the past.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That had been sick. Oh, yeah. Sometimes I pray that we win the Revolutionary War, you know. We did. Yeah. Right. Right.

Oh, you keep praying that we don't lose it. Yeah. If our accents change all of a sudden, we're like, Terley's been praying for something different. It's kind of a joke, but, you know, but I mean, if God is outside of time and we can talk to him about anything, but it also, it changed the way I pray. This is a longer story, but it changed the way I view God in prayer. I have, praise God, I do not struggle with feeling like God is. angry at me or did like I understand that Jesus took all the father's wrath for me you know um but being pleased in me and delighting in me being pleased with me and being me being acceptable to him and being

delighted in by him very different those are very different things you know um and scripture supports the delight thing but I just had always kind of landed on this and it was my study of quantum theory and engaging with that in scripture that moved me from this understanding to this understanding. Do you write a book on this? No, but it is, do you, I don't know if we even have time for the example. Okay. So have you seen the study?

We'll pray for more time. I already prayed yesterday, so we already have more time. Yeah. I'm going to pray about it tomorrow. Okay. And then we'll work out today. Yes. But the study of, it's like a, and I'm going to get some of this wrong.

So just know people out there who pull up the study, no, I'm going to, you know, going to get this 80% accurate, but the just an amateur quantum physicist. I'm very amateur, yes. So, a little robot, about a foot tall. Imagine this big foot is a robot. They put him in a box. It's, I don't know, 20 feet long by 10 feet wide. And on one end of the box, so they observe him. He's randomized in his behavior. And he just sort of evenly distributes himself throughout the box as he moves. Then they put on one end of the cage some baby chicks that have just hatched. Now, baby chicks, imprint on the first thing they see. They think it's their mother. And so they imprint on this robot as he's moving around. And they notice that over time, the robot begins to spend 75% of

its time on this end of the cage where the baby chicks are. That's weird. Interesting, right? So then they take the baby chicks away. It goes back to being fully distributed across the box. then they put down here some like nervous rabbits and the robot starts spending 75% of its time on this end of the cage. Away from the rabbits? Uh-huh. They take it away. It goes back to being this inanimate object is drawn toward things that view it with delight.

Or with disdain. Mm. And so I was like, Like, I think I pray like a nervous rabbit. Teach me to pray like a baby chick. And this sort of frantic nature that I had toward God or like despair or just like, oh, like that was how I felt like I was praying, especially prayers that I've been praying a long time.

And so in exchange for that, I now get to pray like, I delight to do your will, whatever it is in this situation, I know you are doing good to me. I know you are being good to me. I praise you in advance for whatever you choose to do here. You know? And to change my prayer from that. And then I started seeing it in scripture on the pages of scripture as I'm reading. Like just the way people prayed.

I'm checking out like anytime there was a prayer in the Bible or something was said about prayer, I'm really looking at that specifically as it pertains to, you know, my understanding of how God says our minds should work. and how she says we should think and how we should talk and how we should talk to him most especially. And so it was interesting that that little study and a couple other studies that he referenced, I was like,

Well, I think you can read the book. I think to like go full circle, I feel like you can read the Bible as a nervous rabbit or you could read the Bible as a baby chick and see two different things in the same verse, same chapter. And I think we do, we did that a lot. We're super nervous and anxious

and politics has filled our mind and all this other messaging, then we're not. Yeah. You know, what's, what may be my last question, we like, how has a section changed or a verse changed from that mindset of, you know, 16, 17 times through? 20. Thank you. In the future, even. Because you've read it 30 times in the future, you know.

That's right. At this point in time. Yeah. How has a section change? changed. Or a verse or a... Other than just like me liking it more and delighting in it more and understanding it more. Well, you said in your story, you were...

I don't like the New Testament. I don't like God, you know. I think when I began to release my idea that God owed me something, it freed me up to love him as opposed to just treating him like a machine. And that changed every page of the Bible for me. every, that one thing, that one thing changed everything because the other perspective is looking at a page and me trying to use God to get what I want. And the other is me learning to delight and love him.

And so like when I read passages that are, sounds scary about the future and I don't know what's going to happen in the end times. And all of the, and it sounds scary. I go, wait. No, you trust him and he's doing good. And if you suffer, guess what, this isn't about you? And you know where you go eternally. You know what, and you know it's worth it.

You know it will be worth it. And you know that he endured far more for you. And so that idea, more than one story changing, that idea changed every story. I'm trying to think it for myself. Like, I think for me growing up, turning the other cheek was like being like just completely emasculated and, you know, being run over. But actually, you know, as I've read it now, and I've talked and I've heard about it and studied, it's a sign of respect. Like, if you're going to slap one side of my face and disrespect me, turn and slap the other side. Like,

you can't push me around. You can't, you can't, you know, tell me take it a mile, I'll take it too. It's more of like, I'm going to, I'm going to one up and be, you're trying to. Yeah, you're trying to emasculate me, but you can't. Wow. So that to me is. a big change in some of the things as I've gotten to my 40s of like, it isn't this, Jesus rolled over and just, you know, took it. It was like he, he could circumnavigate just the little ways they were trying to completely just disrespect him. That's good.

But I don't know. So great use of circumnavigate. Yeah. Well, thanks. Sometimes there's some. Every once in a while, bro. I know. It's just EMF blocking beanie.

Is that really an EMF blocking, do you like it? I don't want Satan to read my thoughts. It's a real tinfoil hat. Yeah. In all intents and purposes. Do you like it? Do you feel like it's helpful? I think so much coming at us.

It's like 90 degrees today. So he's committed to this. He's committed. Are they a sponsor? We actually made her own and they're on their way. Are you serious? Yeah. Wow.

We'll send you one. Tinfoil hat. Send you one for the winter though. I know someone who is extra sensitive to EMFs. Oh really? Yeah. Extra, extra sensitive. And has endured brain cancer and think of it is.

It could just be getting into the 40s and you're like, I can't remember things that I used to or too much scrolling. Yes. But we're trying a few things. Wow. Well, I'm, you know, I hope it's helpful for you. Well, thanks. That's great. That and the sauna.

We'll see. That's my two things right now. Well, Terrily, tell us what's going on in your world so we can connect our listeners to the Bible recap. I'm always reading the Bible and anybody can jump in on any day. Come read, understand, and love the Bible with me. You read 12 minutes a day-ish or have it. read to you and then you listen to me talk for eight minutes and explain what you just read and pull apart some of the things. Yeah, 20 minutes a day. Like 1.5 or 2% of your day that'll change

the whole rest of your life. So come read the Bible with me. We have the Bible recap for kids as well. So that's full 365 to take your kids through the Bible. We're doing Bible studies on every book of the Bible. We're about to write Jude soon, so that'll be fun. We just wrote first and second Peter. And take trips to Israel. You can call on us as academic scholars for notes. I don't think she would do that. Come on. I don't know what we're qualified.

We do have thoughts. We do have thoughts. That's no shortage. That's for sure. This has been so much fun for me. Awesome. This is so much fun. I hope it's been good. It's been fun for us.

Thanks for. We didn't make any bad TLC jokes either. No, and I even wore a necklace. I know how many you probably have had over the years. I'm just glad there's no scrubs in here. Oh, see? We had a. We thought about chasing water.

We had a drop one. We thought about chasing waterfalls. That's good. I know you've heard of. Oh, man, interviewers. Gosh, this is the thing. When I was in a band, I was like, there's just so many questions. I almost want to give them a list.

Don't ask these questions. Please, just try. Don't ask me my red hair. I'm tired of talking about it. But thank you for coming on. Thanks for having me, guys. This has truly been great. It's fun to be on the other side of this podcast, not being a listener, but being a talker.

Thank you. We're kind of doing a little bit of a, we have a thing called Stranger Theology, and you can give us some tips because we're trying to kind of re-referial. introduce the whimsy in Bible for the people that are a little bit weird, but we kind of are tapping into a little bit of what you're doing. I'm sure everyone who's subscribed will love that you call them weird, but... Whimsy. Wimsy. We're weird.

We're weird. Eccentric. People, you know, they like the eccentric phrase. Unique. Yeah. They've seen that movie. You know what I'm saying? That one weird.

I don't know which one you're referencing, but I'm sure I know. I've seen them. Yeah. But thank you. Thanks for putting up with our jokes and our questions and. And I'm sure next time it'll be, you'll have a different person you invite on the dinner date and ask questions. But until then. Here's hoping.

Yeah. Good luck. All right. Thanks, Daly. Thanks.