Blurry Creatures - EP: 59 Fairies with Fritz Zimmerman

Episode Date: September 22, 2021

Fritz Zimmerman returns to Blurry Creatures, this time to talk about Fairies. An author and expert on the ancient mound builders of North America, Zimmerman is most famous for spending 15 years obsessively canvassing the Ohio Valley to document more than 700 ancient burial mounds. His newest endeavor ties the legendary Fairy people to lore and traditions across the globe--and in some situations to the mounds themselves. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Fairies is Fritz's compilation of more than 700 documented stories and encounters with Fairies and he unpacks it with us. What are these fairies? What do we know about them? Tune in now.   Guest: Fritz Zimmerman  [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Luke Rogers, Nate, it's good to see your face, even over Zoom. Good to see your face. You got to see you last week. We had tacos. Yeah, I know. It was better in person. Yeah, so today, Luke, what are we talking about? We're bringing back the one and only Fritz Zimmerman.

Right. He didn't get abducted by the UFO. No, but, like, this is, I think we need to talk to him about. that at some point and possibly in our overtime session is we'll do one of our first overtimes tonight okay there we go there we go yeah you know fritz has this crazy story i think we brought it up since he was on about how he claims he had a time slippage and lost time in his car right and yeah that's not we're talking about them tonight obviously but i want to i want to ask him a bit about that but first had a new book come out last month and we'll talk to him about this i'm sure we'll repeat this information but

it's the encyclopedia of fairies 700 stories and currently out of stock on amazon it's a popular book. So yeah, Fritz kind of blew my mind. He kind of laid the groundwork for our podcast in a lot of ways because as we kept building on with episodes about giants, this was really a foundational, fundamental episode because it really laid out that there's so much mystery in North America even. And things were here long before we've been told. So we know Columbus didn't discover America. It was these giants. They were here long before. Who knows how long they were here. Deuteronomy 32, possibly, right? Or maybe it was the, in God scattering the nations. the tower of Babel. I'm not sure which game.

It's hard to know, man. It's hard to know. It's hard to know. It happened, though. We're 58 episodes in and we're still rookies. We appreciate you guys listening to our podcast. Last week, we had some crazy numbers with Doug's episode, some of our best numbers yet. You guys are sharing the podcast, getting it out there. And today, Luke, you mentioned it really quick. We're going to do something for members that we haven't done yet on this show. One of the things is we're going to do bonus time. So Luke and I have found that, you know, the four-hour, three hour, two hour, long podcasts are a little hard to get out. So if you're a member, you're going to get the full entire episode.

So we're going to try to do a bonus time, at least an hour. You don't have to be a member to listen to the hour. But we're going to do bonus time, right? Luke? I want to make a point, though. I don't think we're going to, it's not going to be incomplete episode necessarily. Just we're going to dive deeper into weirder stuff, I think, in an extra 20 minutes to half hour with a guest.

And I think that'll be funny, you know, especially when we get on these three-hour marathons with our friend Tim Albarino. We're not going to do this all the time, but we feel like it's just an extra bonus perk for being a member of support the show, giving you guys extra content. Right. And Nate, I think, too, one of the things we talked about is quality as well, right? Like, the idea that, like, we want to make sure that everything that we give is, you know, is top shelf A1. You know, we just want to, we want to make it valuable, right?

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and continue to stick with us you know I posted something today and I don't know how much this is going to end up on the episode but it is I want to say happy birthday

to G.I. Joe Look at this. September 16th, 1985. 1999. I know you're a Cobra guy but that's all right.

That's right. Someone's got to be a... G.I. Joe. Dude, I had all of them man. I had all the figures and like the planes

and the tanks and you take him in the backyard. and the Tonka truck would beat the crap out of it because it's made out of like freaking steel that would give you tetanus, you know, but they don't make those anymore. They don't make them like that, that's for sure.

I think that's the one I play with the steel around somewhere. Rusted and giving kids infections, you know, so. Those things were so heavy duty, man. I remember going down the hill of my driveway in one of those things. Oh yeah, you could ride in them. Sitting in the back, yeah. And I would like cut your legs open,

but you'd still keep going. A simpler time, Nathan. A simpler time. Well, thanks so much to everyone listening to this podcast. Over the last couple weeks, we've been, it's been a little harder to get out episodes for some personal stuff, but we're working through it. Yeah, we appreciate every single member,

everyone who supports the show. You guys are great. It's a lot of work, and it's a lot of, I don't know, Luke, I feel like there's, when you start getting some of these topics and you start really trying to tell the truth, you know, you never know what's going to come after you. A lot of resistance. Yeah.

Yeah. And just a lot of. of pushback. And I think Luke and I didn't realize what we were getting ourselves into this last year. I think we do now. And we like you guys listening and all the messages you sent us. It's just a really cool community that we're developing here. And everyone's really just awesome. And Fritz is here. There he is. The myth, the man, the legend. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it.

I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. So Luke, what are we talking about tonight, Luke? We're getting into it.

Well, Fritz, you have a new book that came out August 13th, and it really perked our interest. And one of our recurring guests here, just Fritz Zimmerman, you know, legend in your own right, you spent years visiting giant mounds and you kind of created a great expose on that last time we talked. But your new book is the Encyclopedia of Ferry's 700,000. stories. We'd love to start from the beginning. And then, you know, I know that you equate a lot of of what happens to the book of Enoch, to the Nephilim, to the biblical narrative and the, and the watchers and fallen angels and that stuff. And, you know, with 700 stories from Europe, Iceland,

North America, I would love us just to walk through the, walk through the origins of fairies and what you found. And then, you know, maybe some highlights of stories. Maybe just break down your thoughts on, on the subject. And give us some, some nuggets here on, um, on Okay, first of all, it's the illustrated. Oh. And it's like the media of fairies. Okay. I have over 200 images in there.

Wow. So a lot of the stories will have images included in them. And it's really not that big of a departure from the giants. According to the book of Enoch, the fairies have allied themselves with Satan and they were descending and St. Michael stepped in and said, you know, they're not

that bad of guys. And so they were somewhat sentenced to subterranean world and so they dwell in caves and underground dwellings. But then you have the Chihuahedanan

that was over in Ireland and this is just a mythical people. And it's believed that they might have some relationship with the Nufflem. But when they died, there's this supposition that they became fairies. So we have kind of a group of people, this mythical people that are related to the Nephilim. and then we have them as becoming fairies. But then we have fairies on their own with the book of Enoch.

And so there's a lot of different fairies. So it's not Tinkerbell. There's Punker's and there's all sorts of different types of fairies that are described in the book. So what would constitute a fairy? like what's the what are the character traits that says this is a fairy versus something else well of course they're all small and i don't know they're just mythical and sometimes they do good by people a lot of times they do bad they steal children um replace them with changelings which are like these demon babies and there's a lot of accounts of of of

that yeah, it's a real dichotomy between good fairies and bad fairies that would steal people. They thought maybe they were in the cave for like a day and they would come out and 100 years had passed and they would go home and everybody was dead. Wow. And there's just so many stories in different kinds of fairies. it's really hard to like just wrap it up into, you know, a couple of paragraphs. But definitely, I mean, if you want to know about fairies, this is it. You know, this is just the epitome of stories and legends and everything else that pertains to the subject. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document.

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and then sometimes they're bad. And it sounds a lot like when we talk about Bigfoot, right? There's these stories about Bigfoot being saving kids that are drowning out of lakes. and then also you have these, you know, the nasty bigfoot that steal children, unremarkably the same as we talk about with fairies here. It's interesting. It has like a lot of threads of the Nephilim, right? The Nephilim and their souls were sentenced to be here on Earth. They couldn't go to the afterworld or to the darkness, right? They had to stay here after they died. And it makes you wonder if this is just like a different type of spiritual being, right?

We have these, we have the cherubim and the seraphim, and then we have the Watchers of Enoch, and we don't know what maybe the initial class that was, maybe it's his home class. And then you have these fairies. Well, it's interesting when you said they're small, Fritz. Like, how big? A foot, six inches, two feet? Yeah, I think anywhere from maybe a foot to three feet, somewhere in there. Is this related to the little people?

at all. Oh, boy. There it is. I was going to get there, Nate. Like the spirits of the little people or something? Well, I'm not sure what you're referring to as the little people. A lot of people describe these literally two-foot human beings that are often spotted in the woods. Like the Cherokee little people. So I don't know if it relates to that or anything. Well, the whole thing is that this is all related. The Nephalm, Bigfoot, fairies, it's all related to one another. See, I believe that Bigfoot is basically an apparition. You know, it's almost like a fairy that can disappear or come and go or be in front of you and then be in back of you. What you hear a lot of times, you know, when people talk about Bigfoot, it was like, oh, it was behind me.

then all of a sudden it was in front of me. So this doesn't sound like anything corporal, like flesh. It's more of a spiritual being, which is why I think, you know, even though we have 10,000 people out there trying to shoot a big foot, they're never going to shoot a big foot because it's a ghost. And, yeah, and Nate, just like that,

Fritz answered the question that we usually ask. And he's already answered it. because he's been on before, but like what is Bigfoot? Not, I think it's a fascinating idea because what you're talking about as far as Bigfoot encounters is really right on, right? People talk about, you know, raising a shotgun to shoot him and shooting and then Bigfoot disappears and he's here and then he's gone and he's there and then he's not there. And then there's something really crazy going on.

And that's why I think people will, you know, and people in the real hardcore Bigfoot communities don't love the spiritual aspect. They want to talk about this flesh and blood, Dr. Jeff Meldrum. it's this, what is it, what is it, a gigantapithecus, and it's an ape, and we just can't find it. I mean, that's all well and good

until you have these crazy stories of, and then you go back into the lore, too, when you talk with the Native Americans, and they're talking about Bigfoot's stealing children, and Bigfoot's this spiritual being that this hairy man of the woods that they know is sometimes bad, sometimes good. It just kind of fits all of it, right?

And the very thing is interesting, because, like, when I think about it, I think of like Ireland, right that's what I kind of think about it is either Tinkerbell or Ireland like there's this this whole fairy thing and yet you've got 700 stories that aren't just it's not just a druid like ancient Celtic Irish you know leprechaun fantasy it's a this is not a phenomenon that's this geography like geographically localized right like this these are these are multiple cultures different cultures same sort of narrative Right. Even here in North America at Mount St. Park, they've been spotted. And I have another site here in northern Indiana. They've been cited over there. Yeah, it's kind of the subterranean world, but they like mounds. And inhabit mounds. So there's a real connection between burial mounds and the burial mounds and the very connection between burial mounds and the very.

berries and they tend to, I don't know, live within the side of them, but they're definitely connected as being part of the burial mound, that there's fairy spirits within those. So you have the Nethlem spirits and you have the fairy spirits, which kind of goes back to the Tuatadana and then they became fairies. and then you wonder, like, well, is that what happened with the Nephilim and the giants? They just turned into this fairy race. You know, what's interesting is over in Cachan County, Ohio, they found this mass graveyard, and in the graveyard,

none of the skeletons were over three foot. But they had adult skulls. So they knew they weren't children, but it was all of these little people's skeletons. And there was another case in Tennessee where there was like 500 of them, mass grave. And none of them were over like two or three foot tall. That's Nate's love language. You are right. You're right on here.

He loves the little people. Wait. Okay. So, Fritz, I got a question for you. All right. There's a typical, Luke always makes fun of. me for liking the little people. Yeah, this is a really inside joke.

It's been going on for a year now about how you... So, Fritz. You're now in, Fritz. You're in on it. All right, Fritz. We've all heard the quintessential Bigfoot siding. Can you surmise the quintessential fairy siding? Do you know enough to give like a breakdown what that would be?

Well, there's all of these stories in these books about people who talk about encounters was berries, either coming in, stealing their babies, coming in. Is it like glowing, like light shooting off of it? Yeah, is it like the orbs and stuff we hear about? Or is, would that be, could that be? No, there are actual little people that are running around, you know? I mean, where you can just see it. It's just this little person and it comes into your house and it may say,

I want milk. And if you don't give it milk, it puts a curse on you or puts a curse on your family. So if you're not nice to them, you know, there's retribution involved. And then other people that are nice to them and they end up finding like pots of gold, you know, at their house where they've been repaid. So yeah, there's good stories and there's bad stories. but yeah to go through you know just 700 stories you know compiling all of that you know it was just such an array of different things happening to different people and so yeah it's that's really kind of hard to surmise and just put a synopsis on all of these stories definitely over in

Ireland and England and Iceland and Germany has stories. Always interesting because there are always places where there's burial mounts. Is that what got you interested in this? Because you spent so much time researching the giant mountains in North America especially, did you, I mean, first of all, did you have, have any experiences? And if not, was that a catalyst for you then? Or because, because those are that connection? No. I've had no run-ins with

Yet. Berries had run in with ghosts, demons, at mound sites, but nothing with the demons or the fairies. But right now there's only two places that I know, but I know, because I'm going to do a new travel guide, that I know that they're there, or I didn't know that they were there before. In North America here? Yeah. Where is that? Do you want to share it?

Where they have sightings? Well, the only two places is Mount State Park and another site that I have about 40 miles from here over in Wabash County. So there's not a lot of stories of fairies here in North America. But I think their association with the mounds is that. that something that's just been neglected somehow, where they were talking more about the mounds, and it doesn't mean that there aren't more fairy stories out there. You know, I have stories of like a cryptid that was at Fort Hill,

and this was this thing and its legs were backwards, and it went running across the road. And the guy that saw it was a military vet. So, I mean, this is a tough guy, didn't believe anything. Scared the shit out of him. Scared the shit out of his wife, too. Because the thing just ran across the road. Now, this is at Fort Hill in Ross County, Ohio.

So they didn't know what it was, but they made a drawing of it. And it's just like, oh, yeah. there's just there's weird creatures that are involved with these mounts so every once in a while you get a story like that and i think a lot of the cryptic stories are somewhat associated with berries and just weird entities that have manifested from um this giant race or the so that's what i was going to ask for it so this is This is good. I got, like, we've talked a bit about mounds. We talked about with you, and then we talked about it.

We had Roger Saker on, who's a, he's been on twice now, but he has a, he found a serpent mound accidentally on his property in Minnesota. And he talks about the same thing, that there's something with these mounds and the laylines associated and the energy that's associated with it from the earth and, and whatever else happened there, the giants, especially, that spawns or manifests or provides a portal or one of these things for for cryptids, right? He's talking about Borkrocks and Nate. What else?

I mean, he had Bigfoot experiences. He all these crazy crypt. Dog man, right? I mean, so you're a mound expert. And what is it, what is it about the mounts exactly? Are they portals? Are they like magnets? No, they're portals.

So they're coming out of them. The mound builders believe that the burial mound was a vessel to connect the living with the dead. So they would go to a mound and pray but they wouldn't

pray for their uncle Roy in there. Once they went into the mound, sometimes there's probably a thousand people in the mound because they cremated them built the mound's higher levels and this and that.

and so they worship this collection of dead, but it was a portal, and it was a portal for those spirits to come and go. Since they were sentenced to Earth, you know, the mound is their home. And I think even mounds that have been leveled, I still think there's spiritual activity that's involved. with that.

So, yes, mount are portals. So, you know, I've always stayed away from any kind of paranormal,

anything with the mount, except we did once at Newark, and it was crazy. I mean, it was crazy what we... What happened? Who tells the story?

I want to hear about this. Yeah, I was with L.A. Marzilli, and, you know, he shoots his series. Have you had L.A. on your show? We have, yeah. Yeah. So this was kind of my idea, not his, but it's like, look, I got contact with this paranormal group.

I called him two weeks ago. And if you draw a line, you know, you know Newark, it's a circle and an octagon, and then there's a big circle. but if you draw a circle or a line from the circle to the circle to Geller Hill, which is the highest point of land in that whole area, you get a perfect isosceles triangle. The distances are perfect from one to the other. So that points there to Geller Hill. And then there's these kind of mounds they were plowed over for a while,

but there's probably about 10 of them or so. But this paranormal team, they had like all of the gear, right? Like, you know, when you're watching like Ghost Hunters and they have that one thing and it shows the stick figures, you know, that show up.

So we're in the wood and all of a sudden, one of these stick figures is like halfway under, like in this tree. And Raylene is one of the girls. that was the paranormal investigator. I wouldn't have done this, but she walked like right underneath

this thing. And the thing was like patting her on the head. And we're watching this thing on the screen. It's like, oh my God, you know? Wow. Well, we had that. And then we had another thing

and it's a thing where words come up. So like the first word that came up was witch. And then the second word that came up was Satan. And then the third word that came up was evil. And I'm asking them, it's like, is this normal? You know, for all of these things to be kind of like talking about the same thing of evil and devil. And they're like, no.

You know, we get words like banana, you know, when we go. Is that when they record, like the frequencies we can't hear, like with a natural? No, it's just this device. I don't know what it's called, but words show up. So, yeah, witch and evil and Satan and devil and all this other stuff was on there. And I'm asking them, like, is this normal? I mean, do you go see our normal sites and you get to and they're like, no, no. no this doesn't happen

this is completely out of the normal then we got the stick bigger thing going on so L.A. comes in there you know and L.A. is a minister and he goes into the woods and he says I rebuke

all of the evil spirits from these woods and you are no longer like supposed to be in the woods and I want you to get out or something to the effect of that. So the next word on this box of words was holy. Wow. And then all the paranormal activities stop.

Dude, that's wild. And this is on the mound. This is on the mound, Fritz, right? Like the big mound in Newark? Well, we were north of that. Or the top of the isosceles. Well, the exocelates triangle goes to Geller. hill, which is this high spot where there's a whole bunch of mountains and burials and stuff.

But, you know, I talked about the math and Newark, you know, the time before, there's Isles triangles. There's a Pythagorean triangle. If you line it between the mount, there's a circle that's 700 feet in circumference. And then there's a square that's 925 feet on each side, which equals 3,700 feet, so they would have to know how to get the circumference of the circle to make the square. And when we were out there, I was out there with L.A., he had a surveyor that was coming out, and we were checking the levels of the ditch that went around the big hinge over there, Newark.

And I asked him, I said, if you were going to lay this whole thing, out. What mathematics would you have to have had? And he said you would have to have at least basic trig and you might need a little more advanced trig to lay this whole thing out.

Well, did Native Americans know trig? No. They knew to, they could count to 10 because that's all they needed, right? Generally, maybe higher numbers every once in a while. Right. But they didn't know Pythagran's

They didn't know trigonometry. And that's how this whole thing is laid out. I mean, the distance between this and this and this and this and the circle and then the octagon, and you can put a square in it and you got a squared circle. So, you know, you had to figure out all that. I'm so bad at math. So there's no way I'm related to these creatures, Luke. Well, I have to do a little extra research on my part because it's like, yeah, I got

through algebras to get college and I struggled. It was like I think I took it like my third year. It's like, oh no, I'm going to get outed on my third year of school because I can't get through algebra. Exactly. Nothing like a

giant subsession that turns into like a math problem and you're like, dang it. Come on. I mean, so this is ancient then, right? We're talking like this is ancient, ancient. Yeah, we're talking you know 800 B.C. Yeah.

Well, you know, they want to put, you know, the archaeologists want to put everything into a paradigm. So they want the Newark Earthworks to be around 200 BC, but they did carbon dating. And it went back to 800 BC. And Leper, who's the head of the Ohio Historical Society, was a dipshit. He didn't print that because he didn't agree with it. Oh, of course. Oh, well, we don't agree with that. Well, we can't put that in the paper.

So, you know, they stayed at 200 AD on that. Well, he's the idiot that said that the serpent mound was built by the four ancient people and it was 800 AD. Even though there's adenamount all around the place. And so he just found some relatively new carbon. So it was going to be his big discovery that serpent mound was 880. 80. Well, since then, they've debunked that, you know. Yeah. But anyway, the guy's always looking for a headline. Do you think that's just because the narrative is so much more important than facts?

It's... Oh, to archaeologists, it is. Yeah. Absolutely, you know? Built by Native Americans, it's like, okay, well, the skeletal material doesn't match Native Americans. and we have all this mathematics going on, and that doesn't match with Native Americans. The sacred geometry on how they were built with circles and squares

and a circle and a square where they're both equal, so you would have had to know how to square a circle. I mean, none of the sacred geometry matches with Native Americans. So what they've forgotten, Right. They just forgot all this high mathematics and decided, you know, Stone Age is where it's supposed to be. It's crazy that it's just what the funding can do, you know, it can kind of keep the narrative going. So is this, so if you picked up a handful of dirt out of mound, is that fairy dust?

You know what I mean? Hey. Boy, I'll tell you what. I don't take anything from a mound site. Oh, I'm sure, sure. Not a rock. I had somebody that I took to one of the sites anyway. They got a rock and I go, where'd you get that?

You're like next to that mound and like get it out of the car. It's like, no. We don't want to take any of this energy with us, you know? Yeah, Luke and I went to a mound here in Tennessee at night. We couldn't cross a river to get to it, but I guess you wouldn't advise going to a mound at night, right? I would like to. I would really like to see more paranormal investigations around mounds because I think they would find incredible things. That's what Luke and I thought.

I've heard of shadow people around mounts at night. and, you know, nobody goes there at night. But except for what we did, you know, with L.A. and, you know, doing his video series, that is the only, I've seen a couple paranormal people on YouTube's, but they were hacks and, you know, it didn't really do much. They were there during the day, but they weren't there during the night. Yeah.

So, yeah, I would like to see a lot more. of that. So the fairies, you know, to kind of deconstruct our idea of them, they're more like little people. Are they, do they look like people or do they look like little bigfoot or do they look like something else? Well, some look like people and then some are somewhat monstrous looking. So like trolls or like leprecha or something? Yeah, trolls and you got lepracons. You got these things called the punka and there's another name for something. I have photos of them. But yeah, they're kind of scary looking beings that would kind of scare the hell out of you if you saw one. So it's diverse, you know.

They're not just these little people in green vests and, you know, that means it's a pretty wide array of, you know, what they look like and not so much how big they were because only two or three feet would probably be. probably about right. But I can't, you know, just kind of like somewhere like a foot high, you know. Fritz, are there any, when you're curating this, this mass of stories, are there any or a few that really stuck out to you? Yeah, what's the highlights? You know, I got to tell you, when you put a book together of this immense size, there's so much reading and editing and sticking them together and putting them in different eras.

And of course, I read all the stories, but I can't say that there was one that stuck out because there was somewhat of a similarity in some of them of how you could divide them up. You know, like you have the Sid and, you know, these are demonic beings that are inhabiting these mounds. But I thought more kind of the paranormal aspect when they would go into that. I found that interesting because I thought that went more along with the same paradigm of the Nephilim and, you know, their spirits and, you know, what they're doing. But like I said, I think they're all connected.

What about the Tuatha de Danan? Does that he say that? Yeah. Chihuahedanan. Danan. Yeah, they were a mythical group of people that controlled Ireland. There's just a lot of mystery behind them because they were endowed with different abilities. And, you know, I just can't help but liken them to Nephalm.

Yeah, that's a, because I just, I, I Googled it here for it's, it's fascinating. You're right on it. It's, it's, it's, it's really is Nephalem. It's like this, they were a supernatural race in Irish mythology, and they were the deities of the Gaelic, sort of Celtic, and there are these like demigoths that controlled and were worshipped gods and sort of were able to do these supernatural things with their powers. And it's just like, man, this just sounds so much like the things we read in Enoch, and we talk about in Genesis 6 with the watchers and setting themselves up as. God's among the nations and then have an offspring. And then of course, this is the thread, right? Of course, when these offspring die, then their spirits are cursed to stay here in this place.

And that's what you have the demons, right, which are the disembodied spirits of the giants. And then you have the fairies, which act much in the same way, right? There are these kind of disembodied spirit-ish, but related to it, but also have some sort of definitely connection to the... the places that we have, we have the giants and the demonic, you would, you would say, with the disembodied spirits. It's just, it's fascinating to me that these, that you find these stories across cultures, and then also you find the same stories, essentially, across cultures just a little bit different names, right? You have the Tuatha Danan, and then you have the, you know,

then you have the sons of God, and you have the, and the Egyptians call them something different, and the Greek call them something different, but it's all the same thing. It's the same story. And then you had the Famorians that were in there. And they were a counted giant. And they came from Carthage. And we know the Amorites were in Carthage. And the name Bimorian, whenever you see,

language is a big part of research. And right now the name of language escapes. me thinking it's etymology but that might be wrong about that but for morians you got moro or muiru and muiru was the name of the amorites who are the account of giants in the bible who were a real tribe they controlled babylon from 2000 bc to 1600 bc if you research you know they found tablets from that age and they were like a workbook and it was a triangle

and shortening it so it was trigonometry but they said that the trigonometry that they were using is more advanced than the trigonometry we're using today and then that goes back

to the angels giving these giants the secrets. And one of those secrets was math. So it's hard to believe that 2,500 years ago, or not 25, 4,000 years ago, that their mathematics was more advanced

than ours. But anyway, that Fulmorian is Muru or Emerite, so we know they were over there, Tuatananan were over there. So, you know, everything links back to these giants from the biblical lands that were inhabiting, you know, that area. And what I was reading here is the Twatha Nanan is saying, and you might be shocked for it, but it says they taught their skills, including sciences, architecture, the arts, magic, and necromancy to their offspring. there you go

I mean color me shocked it's the same oh it's the dark arts guys it's math arts the dark arts and technology right I mean we talk about

this is what I think is fascinating as we dive back into history we have a few episodes where we talk about the pyramids we talk about things in Peru these structures that predate all of the

what we consider more modern which is actually ancient and we talk about Easter Island these places where with the instruction and the math and the technology seems so advanced. Built by redheads.

Yeah. Easter Island was built by redheads. But so advanced, Nate, that it, like, that it's been forgotten. The thing they can't, we can't figure it out now. Like, how do they, how do they fit these, how do they fit these walls together in Peru? You know, it looks like they melt the rock. Or how do they, you know, how they build, how they put these, these black boxes underneath the pyramid in rooms that are just wide enough from the be there. There's all these crazy things that, and it makes you think that, like, perhaps we've forgotten more than we actually know, you know.

Oh, we've forgotten. I'm trying to think, why does that happen? I think we've really, maybe we never broached, like, how and why does that happen? If we look at our history, is it, did we lose that in the flood? Did it? Well, we have this, like, we're getting better idea. Everything's getting better. It's a bad narrative, yes, because it's not true.

Yeah. Instead of everything's getting worse. Everything's a copy of a copy of a copy. The meme of life is getting worse. The original meme was the best meme. So Fritz, like... Breaking out ancient history and meme terminology, dude. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. It had the best pixelation. You know, you could see everything perfectly. Fritz, like, okay, so these mounds, these portals, what do you think that, what do you think, can you break down your theory on what happens? Is it like a doorway opens up on top of the mound and things come out of it? Like if you were standing there in the middle of the night,

would you see something... Step out of nowhere? rise out of it, yeah, or float out above the mound. What do you think? Well, I know at Grave Creek, which is the largest mound in the whole Ohio Valley, there sits in front of the West Virginia penitentiary, which is what ranked the fourth most haunted place in the country. So that portal, so those spirits that were in the prison,

I mean, you know, they got a portal in their front lawn. If you ever go there, it's really amazing because you have this old penitentiary and then right in front of that is the Grave Creek Mount. But I know shadow people have been seen at night walking around, walking around that mound. Now, are those Nethlehem? Are those people that were in the prison that were hanged or whatever, you know, We really don't know. But, yeah, I think they're all portals. And, you know, the thing about a portal is that once you open the door, you know,

it's like people that miss around with Ouija boards. Once you open up the door, yeah, you might be wanting to talk to grandma, but some demon might see that doorway open and come through. So there's been, you know, so many people that have dealt with Ouija boards that all of a sudden they've got an entity in their house or ghost hunters that go to graveyards and get attachments. And the next thing you know, they've got, you know, paranormal experiences happening in their home. So whenever you deal with, you know, trying to open up that portal. then you don't know what's going to happen. You don't know who's coming through that.

How do you think those portals get there? Do you think it's, is it desecration of that ground? Is it, the, well, it was built as a portal. Okay.

So it is and always has been? So is it like a ziggurat then? Like a, like a mini ziggurat? They're basically trying to essentially bridge, bridge the dimensions or bridge the realms or whatever you want to, have you want to, whatever kind of,

you know, nomenclature you want to give to that. somewhat you're connecting heaven and earth I've always likened mounds as the impregnated nave of mother earth and those buried within it and of course they put red ochre and all the stuff on the you know on the bodies

was to reconstitute their life was to make sure that their spirit lived on but first you said something interesting about hey I want to bring this up because we haven't really talked any of about this at all. In the very beginning, Fritz, you talked about how when they were banished from heaven for essentially siding with Satan, they were intervened for, and so instead of being,

I would imagine being imprisoned in the earth, like we sit with the watchers in Enoch, they were sort of allowed to be on the earth in some sort of form or not, but it sounded like they kind of were in the earth. And one thing we haven't talked about, Nate, and we've talked about you and I together is the idea of a hollow earth, and there are things. And we talked about it a bit when we had dark waters on. And we had,

he's talking about things coming out out of the earth. How much do you buy that for us? Do you buy that there, that there are things in the earth, that there's spaces where they, they come out of these. You're making my mind think, like the mounds are kind of like a cheese hole where they can get out of the bottom, right? They can get through. Maybe they can, maybe they come out from underneath through these mounds instead of, you know, just coming out of nowhere, some dimension. Right. Like the portals like the mound is sort of like like a cave opening. A spiritual cave opening.

Exactly. Exactly. So you might find, you know, there were a lot of burials in caves. So we would expect to see paranormal activity there. I went to a couple of conferences and there were hollow earth guys. And I listened to their story. and I thought it was pretty much bullshit. So, yeah.

No hollow earth. So I'm not a big hollow earth. Yeah. There's a lot of people out there that talk about that. And you know, it's, yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I think that. So I've just pissed off half your honor. No, it's, I don't, I don't know how many hollow earthers we have.

I don't think, because we never really talked about it. But it's interesting to hear those, you know, because things start buzzing. You're like, okay, if you're, if you were, if you were. sort of condemned or allowed or whatever you want the terminology to be within the earth and there could be caves right i mean we talk about an ancient thinking too caves or portals to the underworld right so there's this thought process understanding that you you could somehow reach the underworld which was inside of the earth through these caves i mean we talk about the one at mount herman all the time there's the gates of gates of haydys or gates of hell jesus references it in the in the gospels and

And, you know, it's an interesting, and I was one of those caveats. Like, you know, and so I just want to bring that up because I didn't. Well, the word they use with the Nephilim and the fairies is earthbound. So I think you need to keep that in context. So earth mound. Then they gravitate towards the mounds and in caves and in different things. but I don't never does it say like the underworld. Sure.

Like I don't believe there's groups of ferries live in 100 miles in granite. Right. In the earth. What if there's a little, if there's a tube though? Then go down the tube. You got to think. No, if you got a tube, that is a completely different story. If you got a tube that goes down to the granite.

Yeah. Maybe some fairies are down there. down there. Yeah, it's got to open your mind a little bit, maybe, you know. But you need a big flashlight and look down there and see if you can see anything moving around. So I've got to ask you then. I mean, like the big question, you can buy all this book.

Do you believe fairies are still around? Do you believe people are still having experiences? Do you believe in this stuff? I do because I believe in the paranormal. And I believe they're an aspect of. paranormal. I probably should ask that at the beginning for it. I apologize.

We could have been like, yeah, and I don't really believe in this, but let's just talk about the book here. But I think they can appear and disappear, and I think they're more ghost-like than just this entity that is just 24 hours a day, you know, I think they can manifest and then disappear and then whatever realm that they live in, which is kind of hard to describe

because they describe different places where they live. You know, people would go by a cave or something, and they would say, stay away from that cave. There's fairies in there. Don't go near it. Then somebody would go near it. And then, you know, all hell would break loose. Go disappearing.

So, yeah, there was people that lived in those areas, and they kind of knew where the ferries lived, and it was just like stay away, you know. This area over here is bad news, you know. Well, do you think that's related to, like, the missing 411 phenomenon, people going missing in state, local, like national parks, state parks, thousands of people go missing without a trace?

I think the ferries could be behind that. Yeah, because I think there's a relationship between Bigfoot and the fairies. And yeah, maybe some of these people will emerge in 100 years. That'd be crazy. Really? I mean, it's possible. That's like flight of the navigator. Yeah, dude, that's like Rip Van Winkle.

Wake up 100 years later. So, I mean, so you compile these stories, Fritz. Do you think they're good? or evil or both or ambivalent? Both. Some are evil. I would say

75% evil, 25% good. There's that math again. Sacred geometry right there. Yeah. I mean, if it was 66.6%. I'd be like, we're doing something.

We're doing something weird here. Yeah. I wouldn't do that to you. They would just... We would go. We get sideways quick, huh? Fritz always brings it back to the math. That's right.

So 25% why? Why 25% good? Oh, 25% of the stories are good. And you hear somebody and they did something nice for a fairy and they got a pot of gold or help some guy out in his farm or something like that. But most of the stories are bad, you know. They're not something you wanted to miss left. something that you wanted to get rid of. And ferries are all in rural places.

They're not like showing up in the city knocking on doors. No, it had no big city fairies. It's all kind of in the lands of Ireland and England, you know, where it was remote. You know, a lot of these stories are written, you know, 150 years ago. and so things weren't built up and the fairies like country living I mean there's nothing nothing wrong with that yeah

downtown London yeah they stay away yeah they're not city they're not city folks stay away from there interesting so do you think they're like within you know fire shot of a mound and somewhere they can come out and go back in

or yeah I would say they're at the mound At the mound are really, really close. Well, like I said, we need paranormal investigators to check some of this out, and nobody has. There we go, Luke. There's a call, right? It's like the call to wild. I'm hearing it. So, Fritz, we went to a mound at night, but there was a lake, and we didn't have a boat to get across.

But we're going to go to one here. The mound in Tennessee That's Ettaway, isn't it? Or is that in Georgia? There's one in Nashville. Is that the Pinson Mounds? Have you been there? Is that the one you were trying to go to?

No, no, no, we were trying to go to Mound. No, there's Mounds even closer. Mound Bottom State Archaeological Area, Kingston Springs. That's where we went. It's like a big old mound on a river bend. Kingston Springs, there's a mound, Tennessee. Yeah, because you've got to watch, like, place like the Pinson Mounds and that.

Those were platforms and the king lived on top and there's no burials in them. So there's probably people buried around it. But, I mean, those were not burial mounts. It's where the king lived on top, you know. I wonder if the mount bottom where we're at is anything. Because Nate and I were trying to get there and, you know, see what we could find. What kind of trouble we could get ourselves into? And try not to get shot at night going across.

cross people's property. No, there's like, there's several mounds, mounds bottom. It looks like there's, it's called Mountain State Park. There's one, two, three, four, five, six mounds there. And it's, it's around a river bend. The Harpeth River kind of runs around three parts of it. And you have to take a boat across to get there. There's a whole lot of propaganda out there too about how the Native Americans built it.

Yeah. Same old story, Fritz. Yeah, you get down into Tennessee and then because the Nephylo were in the Ohio Valley. And were they there for, were they, first, were they there to mine, mine copper and stuff? Was that why they were in Ohio? Well, they came here probably more around 2,500 BC, right in the middle of the middle Bronze Age. and their first thing that they were doing was mining the copper. So it wasn't until around 15,600 p.C.

When you had the Hittites were moving south, you had the Egyptians moving north, and the Amirites just basically got squeezed out. Of course, there's a biblical story, you know, Joshua coming in, slaughtering all of them. Of course, he didn't kill all of them. And a lot of them were just, they saw the writing on the wall. It's like, we got to get out of here.

Of course, they had outposts in England and North America. So they moved, you know, they moved into England and then eventually came over here. I think they left England mainly because the Celts were moving in. So they kind of got squeezed out of there, which puts. the remainder of them over here into North America. But it's interesting

you know, they started out in the east so like when they were mining the copper out of Isle Royal and up around Wisconsin that is about the same time

as America's Stonehand. And that is is one remarkable place. What happened? What happened there? Huge monolithic stones

that are aligned to the solstices. And there's some things I can't give away because it's L.A. Marzilli's material. But if you

draw a line of the Summer Solst's sunset from America's Stonehands you would not believe what L.A. Marzily found and

that's in his video series and it is remarkable absolutely remarkable probably one of the greatest archaeological finds of the century is on his videos

Wow And I think that one's on I think it's American Stonehenge I think it is Mysteries of the Mountain Builders L.A. Marzilli But what he

found in conjunction with America's Stonehenge like I said probably one of the greatest archaeological discoveries of this era almost it's too incredible to even believe but I can't go into any specifics because

yeah you know we all got to stick together and we know 100% what about the what are the hinges give away fritz what's the significance of the hinges in the relation to the mounts because we find those I mean there's stone hinge and there's other hinges there's the wheel the giant's wheel and there's you know stone hinge is not a standalone significant and as opposed you know with in the context of hinges. This was something that was built, right? Like, what is, why were they, well, it was, you know, what are these about?

Why they building them and how do they relate to the mounds? Well, it was built by the, uh, Amorites when they were in England. And, all right, stone hens, you think of the stones, right? But around that is an earthwork, a big ditch. And it has an outer wall and it has a gateway. and the gateway is aligned to the summer, sunset, or sunrise. And most of the hinges,

so a hinge is a circular earthwork, outer wall, gateway aligned to a solar event. So we have those in Germany, and then, of course, we have identical hinges from England, Ohio, you couldn't tell the difference. And then the hinges over here in North America, most of those are aligned to solar events as well. So how strange that you have.

Because they're all matched. We're talking like this is the same peoples or same knowledge group of peoples, right? We assume it would be like the Amorites and the tribes. Solar calendars. Okay. Solar, not so much lunar. There is some lunar and some of them, but alignment to stars.

But generally they were solar temple. So is this like this is a Polyon worship? This is like the sun god, whatever you want to call them. Is this a? Oh, yeah. You know, December 22nd, the day is at its shortest. But after that, so December 22nd is the. solstice, but then the sun stays there for three days. After three days, it begins moving back to the

south. So the sun god is reborn, just like Jesus died three days, reborn after the third day. Yeah, what's interesting is, is that a lot of these hinges, the gateways are always 33 feet. Always 33 feet. Always 30 feet. That's weird. Yeah, and people go like, oh, feet. They weren't using feet. Well, there was an MIT professor who said that during the era of the Amorites that they were using,

because they used a 12-point numerical system, that their foot was identical to ours, which is the only way you could have hinges that are 6666 feet, 660 squares, which was a Babylonian number for the earth, and then you have squares that are 1080 on each side. I mean, there's just no way none of this happened without it just being, they're using the same, you know.

Same, yeah, they're using the same system. Yeah, same system. 33 is the square root, I believe, of 1080. Of course, 1080 is the Earth mother. But here you have a gateway, 33 feet. Who's the gateway to heaven? Christ. When does he die?

33. There's a lot of connections there. And there's 33 degrees in the masonry as well. It's also kind of a weird thing. The 33 degrees in masonry. Yeah. And what are they? Total believers in Neufth.

Yeah, they are. And they're believing in Solomon's Temple and everything, Nephilim. Right. And they claim to have their sacred knowledge that was passed down from who we find to be, or at least of legend, is at least a demigod, right? It's one of these perhaps fallen entities, which is, it's all crazy how it's all, you know, you can talk about semantics and things. People call things different things, but really it's, we're finding it's the same story, right?

It's the same story told a little bit different with different names, but it's the same, same idea, right? We're talking, which is fascinating, right? I mean, if you follow the biblical narrative, we talk about however, you know, it wasn't until the Tower of Babel that the Babel that the nations were spread apart. So at one point, everybody was telling the same oral history and had the same stories and fell into the same belief systems and they knew all of this stuff and they just went different places. which I think is why All of a sudden Yeah All of the sudden

Just like boom Different place High math Yeah Building Yeah All this happened All it wants

Like a Becliotepe right That's one of the great examples Of their way And how do we have an agrarian society Pop up out of nowhere Almost instantly When everyone's supposed to be Hunter Gatherers

I was praying for that In math class It never happened Like give me Give you that down Yeah. Yeah. So how do we go from barely able to feed your family, just the beginnings of this agrarian society? Cities are just starting to be built.

And then all of a sudden this explosion of ziggurats and pyramids and all of this stuff that is of, you know, just such a higher order than they were. 200 years ago, unless somebody gave somebody something. Yeah, unless some crazy switch, right, Fritz? Yeah, so you can say, and I've talked to a couple of UFO groups, and they say, well, you say fallen angels, and I say, yeah, fallen angels came from the sky, and it's just like, well, could they be UFOs and be like, yeah why not yeah we got to talk about that well i wanted to say that these earthworks in ohio of well like the octagon and the circle there is an 18-hole golf course in the middle of

yeah we talked about that i think right that's how big it is and you've got these lines of the octagon and every one of the lines is the line to minimum moonset, maximum moonset, intermediate moonset, and there's like eight of them. And you got these things, it's like, how did they check their work? And when you look at it the ground, you can't tell what it is. You would never be able to say that's an octagon by just going there. You could see a couple of the walls. but then you look way far in the distance

and you see it's like how did they check their work I mean how did they know exactly how to make this and why do they make all of these earthworks that are all massing perfectly geometric perfect and you can only see them from the sky

it's crazy yeah yeah we we'd love to get into that fritz do you want to do some overtime for members and we can keep talking. It's up to you if you want to keep going. Yeah, we'll go a few more minutes. Sure. Okay.

Well, Fritz, we can't thank you enough for your time. Yeah. It's great to see you. And great to get to talk again. Yeah, you guys too. Let us know if you get abducted again. We want to have one of the first rights to your story. I think L.A. will steal that one, Lou.

Oh, okay. Well, we're second to L.A. then. Well, you know, I'm writing a new travel guide. So abduction is a. a total possibility. Well, that's great. All right, let us know. If you come back, we'll be waiting in line.

Well, I do. And if I have any recollection for it, which usually they blank your memory. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm not going to know if I've been probed or not. You got to strap a go probe on you. You just got to wear your body cam. Just in just you can review it.

Go probe? Oh, look, Nate's got dad jokes. Oh, the go probe. Oh. God. It's bad, Nate. It's bad. Hey, yeah.

Dad jokes. Not your best work. Oh, my God. Yeah, there's, yeah. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, it. It's, when, when, when dad jokes go too far. That's right.

Yeah, Fred, thanks. Google go. Google go probe. See what comes up. Yeah, don't do that. No. No. It's funny.

Not, not, not at work. like you said fritz it can all go bad in 15 minutes and look where we are there it is so we've learned everything you know look we were we started out this episode talking about tonka trucks and then fritz dumped on us how much how much earth those trucks would have to have carried that's a good point to make those mounds so everything comes full circle on blurry creatures thanks for your time fritz and congrats on your new book and go out and bye Go out and buy it, guys. Go out and buy it, guys.

Well, I'm hoping this does well because there's stories books, but there's nothing like this. 530 pages. Wow. Now, the Encyclopedia of Ancient Giants had 520 pages, and I documented 700 giants, and this has 700 stories. How crazy is that? I was telling Nate before the episode that you got, once a lot of them. have something for that number. When you get to 700, it's time to call it quits.

It's time to call quits. We've done enough. Our work here is done. That's where we're at with blurry creatures. Once we get to 700 episodes, Fritz. That will be in the year what? 20, 25. Sometime after the rapture.

Yeah, well, we'll let you know, Fritz, if we don't, if blurry creatures just goes silent one day, we went to that mound and we didn't come back. So, yeah, we walked in, we walked in that portal. Well, you're going to have to keep me abreast on your, on your investigation. And, you know, if I was with you guys, I would take some paranormal people with me. All right. All right. We need to do it.

But make sure they're not. Make sure they're good that they got all the stuff, you know, all the equipment. Yeah. I mean, there's some paranormal people that all they have is a recorder. and a $12 EVP or whatever that thing that has. Yeah. Yeah, we're not doing that for us.

We're classy. This is a lot of crazy show. So Luke's going to just put on his... We got $13 recorders. We're going to go out there with those, you know, 3D vision glasses from the 80s. See what we can see. That's it.

You know the paper ones, remember? The paper ones? Oh, yeah. I love those. I wear them when I drive. When I was 11 years old, I had a... Hey, thanks for tuning in this week's episode. Hope you enjoyed it.

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go to blurrycreatures.com slash members, become a member and enjoy the full conversation. Thanks so much. Next thing I see my dad walking across once, he's madder than hell. well that was it from the 3d glasses and i that's amazing and they don't work and they don't work it was just it was like the time machine and uh napoleon dynamite yeah they don't work not like bill and ted where that time machine works yeah yeah

right well we love it fritz yeah i love first again, man. That was good. We got off a little off topic this time. It's all right. But that's okay. Yeah, it was fun. We like that.

We let it go where it goes, you know? Yeah. Hope your listeners enjoyed that. Encourage them by the Giants book and by the fairies book. And I really think this is going to congeal into a world. that you just did not know existed. So, awesome. By the fairies, by the encyclopedia.

That is one hell of a one two point. Oh yeah, sure is. Thanks, Pritz. Yeah, thanks, Pritz. All right, guys. I guess we've been on here for, my gosh, we've been on here for almost two hours. Oh, we have.

We got time slippage. Where did we didn't go anywhere? Just like your drive. There you go. Lost time. It's all a circle. Here we are. It's all the circle.

It's overhead. Watch out. Okay. Go Pro. Well, thanks, Fritz. All right. I'll see you guys. Get that GoPro.

See you, Pritz. All right.