Blurry Creatures - EP: 63 The Cherokee Little People with Tim Hall

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

Legendary Appalachian storyteller Tim Hall makes his debut this week sharing native stories surrounding the Cherokee Little People. We dive into the lore of the Southern Appalachians and Tim shares stories about giants, bigfoot, supernatural creatures, and the Cherokee little people. What legendary creatures hide in the backwoods of America? Are they good or evil? Are the little people responsible for the unexplainable disappearances of people that take place in state and local parks? Tim unravels the mysterious details of the unexplained things that inhabit the forests around the world.  Guest: Tim Hall http://www.psalmsofthesouth.com contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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They live in a dimension which is all their own. And you probably have seen them, but you never recognized them. Some people call them lepregeists, other cult or chongs. And they're neither. And the Cherokee call them the little people. It's actually the Cherokee name for. Is Wahini Muhaha. Wahimuha muha.

Welcome to blurry creatures, the show where we mash up 80s, Bigfoot, Fallen Angels, aliens, ETs, and other crazy creatures all through a biblical worldview. Even little people, Nate. Even little people. My favorite, the little people. Luke would make those little people shudder if they ever walked out and tried to mess with you.

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All the bonus content and whatnot. So we have a cool show today, Luke. We're bringing on Tim Hall, legendary storyteller out of the Appalachian Mountains to tell us some stories about giants. This guy's epic, man. He's got a huge beard, so he's automatically one of the tribe. And he's already funny in the emails. Yeah.

So you can't go wrong. Teller Bard, aka Tim Hall. This is his first time on Zoom, so. I feel like he was like Fritz Zimmerson's first time on Zoom as well. Yeah. And we have Fritz on. We're just breaking through just barriers here. The walls of Jericho and technology are coming down, Nate.

That's right. That's right. That's what we do in blurry creatures. We find the storytellers that are like off the grid. And we mix, hey, get this, we mix history and technology. Oh, come on that. That sounds familiar. That sounds familiar.

Look at that. You got your Tennessee Cup. Luke's ready, guys. I do. Dude, I'm just living that Middle Tennessee life, baby. Awesome. Well, we'll see what happens. I feel like I need my beard back for this one.

It'll be the only one with the naked face. We haven't done any Monty Python memes yet. We've got to get some. some call me Tim yeah oh great wise and powerful Tim have you seen any giants I'm not talking to you

what a strange person no and I'll go away where did you get them get what the coconuts we found them what found them and Mercia

coconuts are tropical does not the swallow fly south for the winter. I suggested the coconuts are migratory. You can carry it. You can grip it by the husk. It's not a matter of where he grips it.

It's a matter of weight ratios. A five-ounce bird cannot carry one pound coconut. One pound coconut. All right. So welcome to the show, Tim Hall. Tim, you're a legendary storyteller and curator at Psalms of the South Preservation Society, which is like a storytelling center, and you're the curator, and you collect preserve, exhibit, interpret,

and promote a musical and oral heritage of the area known as the Southern Highlands. So welcome to the show, and you also have the best beard this side of the Mississippi. Best on the show right now, for sure, which usually I have that honor, but yeah, it's fantastic. Well, I fluffed it.

People ask me this, too, you know, about the beard, they say, you know, why do you have such a big beard? And I said, well, in the period of COVID, it comes in handy. And they say, really, why? And I said, because I have built in face fast. Yeah, nothing's getting through there. So, Tim, we have a sort of a tradition on this show. We ask everybody, there's no right or wrong answer. What do you think about Bigfoot? What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? In the Native Americans, each and every group has, as a big foot character.

And I told you that I do an awful lot of research and tell the stories about the Cherokee myths. They've been here for thousands upon thousands of years. And they have their own character. They don't call it Bigfoot, but it is a character that has the traits of the Bigfoot. So, yeah, I have, how shall I put it, there is, we don't know everything that's going on, okay, as far as the animals are concerned. We can think that we do, but we really don't have a comprehension unless you go out into the woods and you spend a tremendous amount of time, studying and educating yourself,

you're really never going to be able to document whether there is a, quote, big foot, Sasquatch, whatever you want. And it's not just here, it's worldwide. I mean, you know, you go over the mountains over in Europe and they've had a Yeti for thousands of years that they've discussed. So, you know,

I am very open-minded. If I ever, if I ever do happen to meet Bigfoot, I will tell him that he is the best hide-and-seek expert that there ever was. I feel like he would listen to you, Tim. I feel like you guys would have a good meeting out in the woods. Yeah. I spend an awful lot of time out in the woods anyway. I mean, looking the way I look at it.

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for you. Shop plans at mintmobile.com slash blurry. That's mintmobile.com slash blurry. Up front payment of $45 for a three-month, five-gigabyte plan required, equivalent to $15 a month. New customer offer for first three months only, then full-point. price plan options available taxes and fees extra cement mobile for details Tim what are the uh are you from real familiar with the Cherokee legends on on Bigfoot and could you tell us a little bit about that or yeah there's the character himself is the one that has been talked about for many many years his name is judicola and judicola was called the god of the hunt.

And I'll give you a little bit of background behind him. He was a very, very large, hairy, slanted eyes. Let's just say someone to be, you know, aware of when you were out there. He protected the forests. And the odd thing about him is that he had seven fingers on his. his claws on his hands, seven fingers with claws on his hands. So that made him even more formidable. But he was the son of meteor. His mother was meteor and his father was thunder. So he had an awful lot of power about him. And what he did was when the Cherokee came into the area,

moved into the area. He told them that the forest is mine. And if you go into the forest, into my forest, you must ask my permission. And you must burn the seven spirit woods so that I can smell the aroma and know that you are going into my woods for hunt, to scavenge, whatever you're going in there for. And to help him, he had a group of,

a group of people called the little people. They're about two feet high, and they, you could not see them, but they were there. And they loved to dance. They had long hair. They loved the dance.

They loved to stamp their feet. They love drumming, and they would drum if you were doing something wrong in the forest. And that would announce to Judicoa that you were in the forest and had not asked permission. So the way the story goes, Judah Kala was in his lair on top of a mountain. And a hunting party came and the leader of the hunting party was not aware

and felt like he wasn't going to announce himself by burning the spirit woods. They were just going to go in and go hunting. Little people came and told Judah Kola. Judah Cullis stood up on his mountain top and you have to understand the immense size of this man he could jump from mountain top to mountain top he would drink complete rivers and creeks when he was thirsty.

That is how large he was and he found and heard that they were coming into his forest so what he did was he let out a roar he shouted and the Cherokee stopped and looked up and saw him on top of the mountain. And he shouted out to them that you have come into my forest

and not ask for my permission. You shall pay the price. He called down his mother and his dad and brought in meteors and lightning and thunder and made them into piles of ash. But to ensure that he had gotten them all, he jumped off the mountaintop and he hit the ground in the valley.

And what he did, he was off balance and he set his hand down in order to stabilize himself. You've done that, you know, where you're off balance and you fall down and you put your hand on the ground in order to stop yourself. Well, that's what he did. And he went over and he checked to make sure that all of the Cherokee had been eliminated. And he walked back and he realized that when he had placed his hand down, it was not on the earth. The earth was soft. But what he was he was he had placed his hand on was a rock that was also softer than the rocks that he was used to. And he went over and he looked and his handprint was in the rock, all seven fingers, all of the claws.

And he said, this is where I shall tell the Cherokee, my rule, my law. And he drew a line across it. And he wrote in a language that nobody understands except the Cherokee. And when he wrote the words, drew the line. The line was his border of his force. And nobody was allowed to go across the border without letting him know and asking his permission. And people say, wow, that's, you know, pretty good story. The neat thing about it is out here, no less than 20 miles from where I'm sitting right now, is the rock that he wrote on.

And the rock contains his seven-fingered hand, the imprint of it. Wow, we got to get a photo of that one. Well, you go out and just look up, Judicolor Rock. It's J-U-D-U-D-A-U-L-L-A, Judah-G-A-U-L-A, Judah-C-U-L-A, Judah-Cola. We got Luke on it right now. Yeah. Right. Judeo-Coha Rock.

They. So that's different than the, that's different than an ancient giant. That's actually like a Bigfoot creature. Very much. I mean, you know, when people come out here and start looking for Bigfoot, we've had several different groups come out. I'm sure. the forest out here.

Did they burn the seven sacred woods? No. They don't know. They don't ask for, yeah, they don't know. So, you know, when we start talking, when people started asking me about Bigfoot, I said, we have a Bigfoot here. The thing is, is that the Bigfoot, well, the Chalktoe, the Chalktown, the Chalktah down in, in Louisiana, Mississippi, they have a creature down in that particular area.

area in the south of Louisiana, they call them the swamp monster. And I was down there, I guess just about two years ago, doing some research on the Choctaw Bigfoot. It lives in a cave. The Choctaw believe is where they were born, the Choctaw were born. And he protects that cave every day. I mean, and they've seen him. So, yeah. So I'm sure, I'm sure people tell you all kinds of stories on your travels. And you probably hear a lot of modern day stuff as well. Or do you just hear, are you just researching most of the history and the legends of stories? Or do you get into modern stuff too? Believe it or not, much of the modern stuff lends itself to the heritage, to the history. When we start talking about some of the stories that I hear

from different people. I do research on them. And I find out that at least as much as I possibly can, the root, the basis for that particular story being told. And in some cases, it not only goes back through our history, but some of them come from all, from across the ocean. They are tales. they are myths whatever you want to call them that are brought over and then adapted to the environment

and in the locale right now it's interesting to him because like the the judicoas story you know he's he's a demigod right he's it's all it's very similar to what we see in the biblical account of the nephalum there that he is the he's the son of gods and he's a giant and you know i pulled up the rock here it's interesting. It's interesting looking and it talks about how some of the Petrick lives here in the North America go back to 2000 BC. And I think a lot of times we call this the new world, right? We don't think a lot about how old the history is here because we don't happen to be in Europe or the Middle East where things are exceptionally old, right? But it's fascinating the parallels to me. Like when we talk about, because a lot of things we talk about in the show is we talk a lot about

giants in addition to Bigfoot and going back to the biblical account of giants. And it's very, very interesting how similar these stories are. And going off what you just said as well, it's these stories do come, they came across the sea and people have this folklore and it, and it ingrains itself in the indigenous culture here, which I find all of that connectivity fascinating. Because, you know,

if everybody's telling the same story, there's something to it, right? Yeah. Well, the thing, when you start doing research, especially research on a giant, And you start going in, as I said, when you go through the Native Americans and you find out that this tribe had a big foot, had a giant that was involved. And I'm not talking just locally.

I'm talking about in the northwest of out in Washington state, Oregon state, they have a big foot out there, one that maintains the land. So, you know, when you start getting the similarities and you realize that these, these tribes have been in this area for thousands upon thousands of years and these stories have been passed down, you have to sit back and say, you know, I don't think anybody just made this up and said, I think I'm going to tell this story. Yeah, yeah. No, we don't think so at this point either. We've heard so many wild accounts. So there's a difference, though, on our show about between the ancient giants and Bigfoot. The ancient giants, from my understanding, were all over the Ohio Valley and we're interacting with the Native Americans as well, tribes of giants.

What are some like Native American stories about the actual giants that are supposedly migrated from the Holy Lands? Have you heard any of those stories? And those seem different than the Bigfoot encounters that we hear. Because when you say the seven fingers, polydacaly issue was more of a giant's thing that we've heard. They had six or seven fingers and six or seven toes. And they had multiple digits that were, you know, just little similarities and things like that. So I wonder if that creature was actually like a mountain giant Luke or something like that.

Well, you wish it was. Yeah, you can say that. But, you know, one of the things that is so interesting when you start as I began doing research is, I found a story about the tall men that came and visited with the Cherokee. And that's, they called them the tall men. They didn't call them giants. They called them the tall men. And they came and stayed here for a period of time.

Now, when we start talking about tall men, the average size of a Cherokee back in the time was probably somewhere around five and a half feet maybe you know five eight something like that very rarely were they very tall people but for them to write and say that these tall men came and visited them and stayed for many moons you know you have to sit back and say well that's interesting and doing the research of that leads you into more and more stories about some of the people who were, in fact, taller people that may have resided into this area before the Cherokee even came. Before the Cherokee even came. Yeah, we hear that all the time.

We brought on a guy that documented all the mounds in Ohio Valley, and he went to all 700 of them. And what about other creatures that people describe or any sort of hauntings or other paranormal things that happen? Tell us about all the spooky stuff in the Appalachians. Because we hear a lot about that, especially we're on these mounds, these ancient mounds that suppose these giants built, there's a lot of weird stuff. Weird stuff that happens. Oh, yeah. People ask me all the time.

They say, do you believe in ghosts? I say, no. I don't believe in ghosts. But I believe in spirits. And there's a difference. A spirit is, for one. of a better word, an energy field. And we, when we move our hand, when we move our finger, it is an electrical impulse that causes that muscle to move in a particular direction.

So I think that if the body doesn't sustain the energy field, that the energy field becomes, let's just say, motivational on its own. I can measure it. energy fields without any electricity around at all. And I've done it out in the woods. So I've done a little bit of paranormal. Here in the mountains, we have three classes of spirits, if you will. Three classes of ghosts, three glasses of weird people. They're called haints, boogers, and witches. okay so this is the classification the way they come down

haints happen to be very harmful in some cases they're very violent when we start talking about them they if they attack you they'll leave their mark on you in some way it could be a bite mark it could be a

bruise it could be any type of marking that they're marking you with So that's a haint. And most of them are women. So when we start talking about a hate, it represents probably the worst type of encounter that you could have with a spirit. Okay.

They've been known to commit murder. But, you know, it is the most vicious of all the spirits. The next one is a booger. And it's not that kind of booger. I hear Luke laughing over there. Yeah. Well, that's a, I think I'll Bigfoot that a lot too. Buggers are male and female, mostly male, most of the time.

They may or may not be harmless. And it depends upon who they're reacting with, whether it's somebody who has a bad temperament or somebody who recognizes them and accepts them. So they like to perform. They like to do pranks and things. You know, they're the ones that will move the chair. They're the ones that will leave the door open or open the door that you know you closed, cabinets open, dishes move, that type of stuff, making noises down in the basement. So, you know, boogers are not really malicious.

They just like to have fun. So that's basically what they do. And then the third group is the witches. And witches, everybody thinks about when you talk about a witch, you're talking about a female, and you're talking about the one that has the pointy nose, you know, rides around on a broomstick, that type of thing. Witches are found in every culture in the world. Witches are found all over.

And they're known by many names. They're ugly. They're usually older women, but there are times that the ugly ones and older women can change what they look like. It just depends upon the potion that they take. There are male witches. You've heard of a sorcerer. A warlock. They are witches.

So, and they. can transform themselves. And Haints can transform themselves also, but they have to do it with the taking in of the spirit of other people. Okay. So they can transform themselves also, but witches can do it by drawing upon strong spiritual and earthly powers, okay? Whereas the Haint works on spiritual.

powers and and and absorbing them the the witches are able to conjure up the power by calling out to earth and and spiritual beings who didn't know I was going to get into that now we talk a lot of that stuff on our show we get into it and we get the classification that the demons are the spirits of the dead giants and basically people have kind of opened up this this understanding that there are all kinds of entities spiritual entities of different ranks and the and the bottom of the the totem pole is supposed of these demons which are these you know disembodied spirits of these half demigods these half human you know half fallen angel their offspring and what one of the things just to back up a little bit i haven't really heard too many stories of bigfoot and the

little people being together. Working together. Working together. That really gets Nate going. That really grinds his gears. The thing that's interesting about the Bigfoot is that the stories, and if you, you know, I'm sure that you heard some of the stories about Bigfoot destroying hordes of horses, herds of cows, of buffalo, you know, finding piles and piles of bones. and in some cases, humans, humans disappearing, nobody knowing where they went, and then all of a sudden they find remnants. Yeah, or they don't. People just are gone. So, you know, when you sit back and you think about all of the, and again, the connotations of what people are imagining and then vocalizing without.

really doing very much researching. And therein lies the problem. We have the Bigfoot, all the people that are hunting for Bigfoot right now. You know, Bigfoot exists. Bigfoot exists. We're going to find him. Not if he don't want to be found. He's been doing this for a long time.

You know? So when we start going into his domain, somebody may not return. Yeah, well, people say the little people are behind the disappearances on our show. Well, you know, and here again, let's draw a parallel. The lepercon. Yeah. Okay.

The lepricon is a nice person until you turn around and wrong him. And then he's going to cast a spell. He will give you gold or you give you rap. But that's a little person. And why now do the little people all of a sudden have, or the connotation of the little people, the definition of them is starting to get a different aspect. The little people will leave you alone as long as you don't mess with it. Story.

The little people of the mountains out here, the Cherokee believe that the little people will watch you all the time. When you're in their domain, they're watching you. And there are stories that people have been, let's say, carried away by the little people and been exposed to their homes or where their homes are, exposed to their culture, and then let go. In most cases, the little people will not let them go. But there have been stories that I've heard about people who have gone into the woods and come back and talked about the little people.

But the way the story goes is that the little people are out there, they will watch you. They will watch you and see what type of person that you are. If you're one that cares for the woods, if you're one that takes care of the woods and you act accordingly, then you're accepted by them. And they may give you a gift. And the gift could be anything. It could be as simple as a coin. It could be as simple as a bird coming to visit you or a bird singing as you're walking along.

It could be the drums beating in the distance, letting you know that they are there. But let's say you're walking down a path. And I know this for a fact. You're walking down a path and you come to a creek and you've got to wait across the creek. And you're waiting across the creek and you look down into the creek. and you see a knife and you look at it and you pick it up and it's a nice knife. Good sharp edge on it, good leather bound handle, got a good hasp. You look at it and you say, wow, this is a great fine.

Don't take it with you. You take it and put it back down in the water where wherever you found it and you turn and you yell out. little people if this is for me I will come back tomorrow if it is here I know that you left it for me if it is not I know that it was for someone else

and you leave and then you come back and if the knife's still there it was meant for you and the little people made sure that it didn't disappear Tim have you tried this out have I tried it

and been exposed to it. What does that mean? Did you get a knife? I didn't get a knife. I got a penny that was from 1841, I believe it was 42, something like that. I was walking across the, or waiting through the stream and saw something shining. And it was the penny. And it was laying in the Little Creek, not a big.

extreme, little creep. And I picked it up and looked at it and it had the old date on it. And I still have it. I turned around and held it up. And I said, little people, if this is for me, I will get it tomorrow. If it's not here, I will know that it's not for me. And I put it back in the stream. I came back the next day and it was there. The interesting thing about it was it was shiny on one side and dull water contaminated on you the shiny side was up but the other side was very dark and had to be clean interesting you know Nate is Nate's Nate's Nate loves the stuff with the little people

that's his that's his jam so this is this is uh he makes oh man I don't it's a it's a inside joke on the show, Jim. He ralowses me about the little people. So, people have described the little people as humans that are two foot tall, and then other people have

described them as a variety of different types of creatures. What do you think they look like? Are they literally just miniature human beings? Or are they creatures of some kind? I don't think they're... Well...

Because you made it sound like people have told you stories of going to their their villages? What are those? Tell us more. You're holding back, Tim. Give us the goods. Well, I'm, hang on just a second. I'm going to get out in some of my notes right here.

I hope you pulled out one of those long pipes. Yes. That had been whittled from a long piece of wood and then. Oh, yeah? Well, you tell this. Hang on. Don't leave. Hey?

We ain't going nowhere. Not going anywhere. Hey, we got a new member right in the middle of the show. That's right. I saw it. Let's go. Look at that ad. That's our first ad mid-show.

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Yes, I do. In by one. All right. Hey, all part-taker. Hey, all right. All right. It's mine. Is that a cornhop?

Yeah. It is. It is. It was this one. Yes, it is. Oh, this is prettier in mine. Man, I don't have anything. I have an Applecour.

That's about as all I got. Well, you could smoke some out of that. Remember, Virginia High? No, I have probably about 50 pipes. I knew it. I knew it. Yeah, it's my symbol. I go out in the woods and people know I'm there because they can smell the pipe smoke floating.

You've burden the seven woods in there to make sure that you're safe to go in the woods. Then down in that road. Yeah. So we were talking about the villages of the little people before I distracted you. I just want to, we want to hear all the secrets, Tim. Give us all of them. The little people. The Scots, you have a little people, too.

They're called the gilly dudes. Okay. So when we start and understand where this comes from, the migration from, Europe came over. Many of the people that came over were of Scottish, Irish, and English descent. The Scots and the Irish, and I do not use the hyphenated name, okay? It's Scottish or Irish. I am Scottish.

I like Scotch. I like playing. Yeah. That's single one. Oh, I got a bunch of here. And it goes with the height. This one's still. this one's still

I got a blanton still in the box I'm expecting stuff here I'm expecting we got a 12 year here in the that one hasn't been open I'm expecting two fingers

you know in a little glass shot be sent my way dude I got some good stuff whenever you're coming down I'm not in Tennessee here but the little people as the chair I can call them

and those were all aspects of remote life and life that was, and I mean the remote little people, they did not like hanging around big people. So consequently what they did was they would go into the forest and hide. So, you know, there's- Yeah, but it sounds like they made villages. It sounds like they made places and they carried people to them. Yeah, there's, there are stories that, and not, not very many, there are a few of people who have gone and lived with the little people at the little people's behest.

They took them there. There was one individual, and I can't remember the timeframe, who went and stayed with the little people and was released. And I've got a story about him coming back and talking about it. And everybody thought that he was crazy. and he was kind of ostracized from the group and sent on his way because nobody believed him and they didn't believe that he actually spent time with the little people because most of the time little people would take you back there and you would die well that's what we that's what we hear those are the stories we hear can you talk a little bit more about that story did he

describe what he saw out there he described their communication that they had, the language that they used that he didn't understand, and yet at the same time, they were able to talk with him. So they would change their language from their normal talking language to a language that he understood, that he was there for a period of time and stayed in their homes and ate the food. The food that they ate, the little people ate, was basically the same food that he was used to,

living with the chair you know being a Cherokee because of the area that they they lived in they did stay with them for a while and i believe it was seven 10 days something like that and he does not know does not remember why he was let go he was just told to leave he was just told to leave When was this? And I've got in my records back there in my files somewhere, the story about that. Hang on, just a second. I might have picked it up. I just imagine like a Smurf's village, Luke.

This is what I'm thinking of. When Papa Smurf comes out. Like a Smurf village. Like they're all just living in mushrooms. Yeah, but then they eat you. I don't bad mouth the mushrooms now. No, no, not those. Hey, hey, I take Rishi mushroom every day.

Keeps me going. Not those kinds of mushrooms. Little people. Here we go. There's a small creature out there watching every single thing that you do. There are more creatures than we give them credit for the little people. They live in a dimension which is all their own. And you probably have seen them, but you never recognized them.

This is something I wrote a long time ago. Some people call them lepregeists, other polter chans, and they're neither. And the Cherokee call them the little people. It's actually Wahini Muhaha is the Cherokee name for them. They're about two feet tall. They have big noses, three fingers, which you said. on their hands, three toes on their feet. They have a single hair on their head,

and it's usually in a curly cube. So I've got that. Now let's see if I've got the story about... This is getting good, Luke. So it's interesting that, like, the number of your digits actually is proportioned to your size, right? Because, you know, we're somewhere in the middle. Little people got three, and the Giants got six, maybe seven.

Humans got five. Yeah. I didn't really realize that. And the thing is that it's very, very similar between cultures. When you start talking and looking at different cultures, when you look at the, and delve into the cultures,

the little people all have the similar traits. And so to the giants. Hmm. Hmm. So if a three-fingered ET comes crawling at you, Luke. get out of the way. Just give them, let them phone home. Maybe they're like ants.

They can lift 10 times their size. They're like super strong. I don't know about super strong. You know, it's relative, isn't it? Yeah, it would be. You know, if you're small, you have the capability of hiding very, very easily. When you're large, you don't have the ability of hiding. So you must protect yourself by strength.

Yeah. So they're stronger fast, right? Well, we hear stories of little people burrowing underground and building tunnels, tunnel structures. So they seem to have an underground network. Well, the Cherokee also having, I'll use them Cherokee, the Chalka, the Chickasaw, the Creek, the five civilized tribes of the southeast, the Choktau, Chickasaw Creek, Seminole and Cherokee.

They all have very similar descriptions of the little people and descriptions of where they go to hide, where they, you know, I told you about Bigfoot. The Choctaw say Bigfoot is not living on a mountain. Well, they ain't got no mountains down in Louisiana anyway. Yeah. But what he does is lives in a cave. Well, here in the Cherokee, there are the mountains. here, but at the same time, there is

the Nehiji, which are the immortals, and these are the ones that the Cherokee learned from, and they live in the ground underneath streams and rivers and creeks. So, The immortals? The immortals, yeah.

What do they describe to look like? They only appear when needed. other than that they will give you guidance you will not see them you will give them guidance or they will give you guidance you can go and make a request of them and burn the seven woods and they may or may not answer your request wow the immortals the immortals are the ones that have passed on we talk about spirits okay the immortals are the ones that passed on, their spirits are still there, they can come back and actually take human form. There are many stories about them coming back and helping the Cherokee

during one of the most difficult times where the Cherokee being a very complacent type of tribe was being attacked from all sides, the creek, the Choctaw, the Chickasaw, even the Iroquois coming down out of the north. You know, they were attacked. They actually give credit to the defeat of their attackers to the immortals who came and stood beside them and gave them strength and fought the battle with them. That sounds very disembodied spirits. Because we hear the stories a lot on our show, Tim, where like the reason the demons want to possess somebody is because they used to have a body. and now they don't anymore.

And so they're trying to get into a body as much and as often as possible because they're spirits of carnal desires. But the weird thing is, Tim, is that sometimes these creatures are described as being hopeful to humans, helpful to people, Bigfoot, little people, they'll help you. They'll give you stuff or rescue you. It's just really interesting because, you know, you just associate them as being troublemakers or, I don't know, sociopaths or whatever, just as angry. Or evil or nefarious, yeah.

Yeah. Well, it's, again, I think we dwell, we as humans, mind you, we dwell on the obtuse. We dwell on the anger issues, you know, we're very, very difficult to accept something that is out of the ordinary. as not being harmful. Does that make sense? Because when you started talking about the little people, of course, the first thing they talk about is that the hair,

they talk about the size, even to the point that they say that the little people will throw rocks at you if you damage their force. You know, I've never had a rock come flying through the air. What about like a mini arrow flying at you? Yeah. Yeah.

But, you know, again, We have a hard time accepting that. My feeling is when I go out in the woods, I don't go out for an hour. I mean, I do. But when I go out in the woods, I love to spend weeks upon weeks into months. Alone? Alone. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah, I don't like people. Hey. We get it. We get it. But it, you know, it is the time. And my special time is wintertime. Number one, there's nobody else out there. Number two, all of the leaves and the trees are bare.

And I can go to the top of Thunderhead Mountain during the middle of February and see for hundreds upon hundreds of miles on a clear day and not have to share it with anybody. Except the little people, and judicol. What do you eat out there? What are you eating? You just shooting squirrels? I eat an awful lot of fish. I eat an awful lot of water cress that grows in the streams. There's still some molds out there and some small animals.

Watercress is like one of the top superfoods I've read. It is. It has more vitamins and minerals than any other plant growing, I've heard. I take a little bit of rice with me sometimes. You know, I don't take much because I know where I can get water and I know where I can get shelter. And you've never seen a Bigfoot out there. No. The thing about looking for Bigfoot, I don't look for him.

If I saw something that was extraordinary out of place, I would go investigate. but I don't go looking. The same thing goes with the little people. I don't go looking for them. I don't go looking for bears, you know. I don't go looking for panthers. I don't go looking for mountain lions. I see them.

They're out there. It's their home. All I'm doing is visiting. So all your years of travels and hearing stories about creatures, I'm sure there's a couple that stand out as like maybe your favorite creature story you've ever heard. What do you think that is, Tim? What's your all-time favorite?

Well, Judah Kola is right up there. And understand the reason that Judah Kuller is is because many people don't know the story, number one. And I did not give you the full story. But number two, there is something substantial that they can go and look at and say, that's the rock that he told us about. Yeah. And we see those all the time on our channels, Tim. People send us photos of ancient giant footprints all over the world that are in stone. Some of these tracks are 25, 30 inch tracks. So they're interesting. And you wonder how they got there. And then people debate on our show how tall they got and all that stuff. But I was just thinking, yeah, there might, there was probably a couple stories that you just couldn't shake. I have so many. And you're talking about things that are found. Out in the forest out here are petroglyphs.

From Tennessee down through the Appalachians, there are petrocliffs all the way down into Georgia. Nobody has been able to determine the language that's on the petroglyphs. So when we start talking about Judah Kola and his petroglyph, his rock, and the other petroglyphs around here, and there are similarities between the characters that are on the petroglyphs, you know, you have to sit back and say, the Cherokee didn't write it,

because it's not passed down from generation to generation. They don't have an understanding of that. Up at Red Rock, up in, I believe that's the name of it, up in Tennessee, there's a petroglyph that's right off the side of Maine Highway. Nobody's been able to determine, although there are a couple of symbols on there that they think are certain symbols. But again, we do not allow our imaginations to accept that there is somebody else other than us. And that's a shame.

So, you know, is there a story about a giant? Yeah, you know, not really. is there a story that sticks out in my mind you know other than the phantom choir of Rome Mountain when we start talking about the fire dog of Forney Creek

The fire dog Oh tell us Tell us about the fire dog I'm familiar with that one We're the phantom choir for that measure Have you heard of speech? your finger? No?

No? Gee, that's too bad. I think we're out of time, aren't we? Hey! Hey! Hey, thanks for checking out the Little People episode with Tim Hall. Tim's a great guy. Hope you enjoy this episode.

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