Blurry Creatures - EP: 69 The Giants of Stonehenge with Jim Vieira and Hugh Newman

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

Did the ancient giants build Stonehenge? Was it an ancient place of worship and an energy grid that the Rephaim understood and tapped into? Jim Vieira is a stonemason, was the star of the History Channel TV show Search for the Lost Giants, is an author and has collated 1500 newspapers and scholarly accounts of giant skeletons. Hugh Newman is an explorer, expert on megaliths, and author of Earth Grids: The Secret Pattern of Gaia’s Sacred Sites. Hugh has been a regular guest on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens and featured in Jim Viera's 'Search for the Lost Giants'. Together Hugh and Jim wrote 'Giants on Record' and their newest book 'The Giants of Stonehenge and Ancient Britain"-- as they are out to prove that these creatures once roamed the earth.  [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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could apply here. Strangely, there's a tradition that goes back to the 1600s, which we found in this obscure document that claims that there was a tribe of giants in the area who built Stonehenges a trophy after they won a battle. And that these giants were able to soften and manipulate stone and turn it to powder. Manipulate stone. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right,

because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal.

All right. Welcome back to blurry creatures. I think we've got Jim Vieira and Hugh Newman coming, but you never know. Right, Luke? You never know what you're going to get. Yeah. And Jim Vieira, of course, from History Channel's search for The Lost Giants. And then Hugh Newman is a staple in the space.

He's been on ancient aliens. Both the guys have written a number of books about hidden history, mounds, about the Smithsonian. And now, of course, about giants. The new book coming out is The Giants of Stonehenge in Ancient Britain. So all the way from across the sea. Yeah. I love it. Spend a good amount of time in the UK.

There's a lot over there. I wish I would have known about this information, Luke, when I was traveling in the UK. But of course, education is wasted on the young. Yes, it is. Could you only imagine if you went back to school now, Luke, what you would do, what you would study? What would you study?

Probably nothing. It would probably just tell away from all the propaganda, the best I could. But here we are podcasting about ancient history. history, the lost ancient history, and it just gets we're weirder and weirder. While we're podcasting, a new member comes on, Sean. Thanks for joining the team, Luke. What do you think about that? Here we are podcasting and boom, email new member. Tell them what they won, Luke. You got an all-access pass to all kinds of weirdness. Luke will call you in-

Yeah, we'll not do that, actually. If you have problems. I remember when we were on tour with Hanson, the girls that were in line for the shows, said that they would often search through the garbage of the Hanson brothers to find weird items. It's completely normal. Something you could look out and it won't be raccoons in your garbage. It'll be Bigfoot looking for the evidence. That would be okay with you, right? Acceptable.

Yeah. Come on down. I love it. So, hey, one thing I was thinking about Luke today and we've been texting about is possibly doing some blurry meetups. There's some areas around Nashville and we might do a day excurs. Yeah, if you want to support this show, go to blurry creatures.com slash members. We had a lot of people come on.

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And you guys are awesome. So let's get Hugh and Jim on the show. Jim Vieira is a stone mason and a writer who has collated 1500 newspaper articles and scholarly accounts of giant skeletons found in North America. In 2012, he created an online blog, the Daily Giant, presenting one giant per day on his blog. He's a star of a history channel show, Search for Lost Giants with his brother Bill. He presented a prestigious TEDx events. got his lecture controversial taken down, like we hear all the time, just like Graham Hancock and all the others in this space. He lives in Ashefield, Massachusetts, and Hugh Newman is an explorer Megalithomaniac, author of Earth Grids, The Secret Pattern of Guy's Sacred Sites. He is a regular guest

on History Channel's ancient aliens, as well as search for lost giants. He's been all over the world. Speaking of events in UK, Malta, France, Peru, Egypt, lives in Glossonbury, England. his sites are megalithomania.co.uk and Hugh Newman.com.com. And he also is just like our friend Derek has his own megalith site, Megalithomania. So we've got one mic here, kind of in between us. Is that loud enough? Yeah, yeah. Jim, can we, I can claim. Jim, you want to talk a little bit so we can say?

No, I don't. Oh, there you go. You sound good. That's all to make sure we can hear you. Heck yeah. My name is Jim. Nice to see you guys. Two jims. All right. This won't get confusing.

All right. Welcome to the show, guys. Thanks for coming on, blurry creatures. We're happy to have you guys here all the way across the pond. Yeah. What do you guys think about Bigfoot? That's the question we ask everybody. It gets us into this creature's conversation.

And it seems to be the most popular of all the creatures seen to this day. Everyone has a different opinion. There's no wrong answer. What do you guys think it is? What do you have any thoughts? Yeah, I'll start. Yeah, Hugh Numer will start. Bigfoot, yeah, that's an interesting one.

I mean, obviously it's mainly North America and, you know, different areas of the world, but not so much here in Britain. But I'm quite interested because we've come across, you know, actually we mention it in our new book, The Giants of Stonehands and Ancient Britain. This kind of there are a few accounts of hairy wild men who are giants roaming the land in Wales. There's some accounts in Scotland as well.

And these are actual. There's legends, you know, like I think Jim knows about one up in Scotland. He wrote about it as part of the book. But there's also, there's one in Wales, like I think it's the hairy man Ogoff or something like this. And it's like, you know, it's very strange. And it's just all the traits really of like what you get with Bigfoot, like the strange smells, you know, kind of like fleeting glimpses of it, you know, without clearly seeing it properly in a Scottish account. There's the story of the grey man and you can hear him and hear his footsteps up on this mountain,

but you can't really see him. It's always out of sight. This is kind of like the kind of supernatural element we get here. But yeah, I mean, I'm quite a fan of David Hatcher Children's. He wrote a book called Bigfoot Nation. I read that and all the accounts going back hundreds of years. So to me, there's something in it, you know, whether they're physical entities or whether they've got a supernatural element or a bit of both makes it quite intriguing.

Yeah. I'll take over. My thoughts are I was on Expedition Bigfoot. I'm friends with Russell Accord and those guys. I've spoken to a couple Bigfoot conferences because there's some overlap to this idea of giants. And it's a supernatural story, essentially. And a lot of the giants, if you understand the oral traditions, are almost a story of genetic intervention in the supernatural. And people can take that for what they want.

But that's what the traditions clearly state. I study a lot of Edgar Casey. and he talks about ancient lost worlds and civilizations, and he talks about genetic engineering. And it has been speculated that the creature Bigfoot is one of those hybrid creations. And it's a mix of like a massive ape with some other attributes that could be viewed as supernatural, if you will, or multi-dimensional. I really think it's a creature. None of us have a time machine.

I will say that I've spoken to so many people that have very, you know, sober and their observational abilities. And they swear up and down that there is something going on. And the other thing is it's a longstanding tradition for, I mean, for millennia around the world, you know, so that it's not just like a 1970s phenomenon, if you will. So that to me grabs my attention when the indigenous people talk about this being. And we know that the Native Americans have lots of missing legends about this creature as well. I love it.

That's kind of what we've heard on our show a lot. we've talked to just about everyone that is in this nephalum space. You guys have been in this space a long time, and I know that you go on a lot of shows, you're going on a lot of podcasts, and a lot of this information gets recycled. You're writing new books. What are some things that you guys feel like are missing from the discussion when it comes to giants that hasn't been kind of regurgitated and just thrown out there time and time again? Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document.

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thinking about yeah i feel the the big question is where do they come from and so i i missed a comparative analysis and i read through not just the historical documents and the myths and traditions i look at Esoteric sources, Blavatsky, Steiner, Rosicrucians, Freemasons, Edgar Casey. They all talk about a lost continent in the Atlantic, the Atlantis. They talk about Lamuria as a historical fact. They talk about dark wizardry and black magic like a Tolkien novel. And they say there was an advanced civilization that lived in a golden age and went down the toilet because of malevolence and over identification with the material world. basically they lost their spiritual self.

And that's where we are today. We're in a crypto-techno hellhole of like false profits and Elon Musks and stuff. It's just the nature that, you know, I'm not crying about it. It's just we're entering hopefully a better age. But that non-withstanding, I really think that this idea of a lost land where there were sophisticated cultures that understood technology that were just coming around to understand. And I'll say that like the old scientists like Pythagoras and Plato and Aristotle, they all were adherents to the mystery schools. They were all metaphysical geniuses.

They were all mystically oriented. And now the scientists are, it's more like an atheistic cult of left brain male dominated, rigid rationalism that doesn't allow for the mystical elements. So it's kind of looking at a shadow and a wall to try to figure out the problem instead of a holistic approach. And I'll say, you know, I'm the guy who's been on a million ayahuasca journeys with shamans in the rainforest. So I've seen some things that I'll be on belief in that if I could show or have people experience what I've experienced, they would drop their doubt pretty rapidly. Yeah. Yeah. This is like Joe Rogan's side right there.

Yeah, yeah. I like Rogan, actually. He's pretty good, yeah. No, I love that. I mean, I think you have a good point. The enlightenment in a lot of ways, it took all the supernatural. out of, you know, out of the, even the mainstream conversation, right? It started to secularize and really, you know, the scientific revolution as well.

It really, it just ignores or completely attempts to sweep under the rug, anything that has anything to do with the supernatural. And it hasn't done us any, yeah, it hasn't done us any favors. If you see the side effect of that overly draconian rationalism in the scientific worlds, You know, our world is is lacking in any kind of answers. And that's why there's so much interest in, you know, the stuff you guys do and what we research, because it's kind of the metaphysical component that drives a lot of alternative research. Like, was there, were the cultures and ancient civilizations that understood the metaphysical?

And are there sources that we can tap into to figure out, like, why they place these sites around the globe, you know, what was really going on? Well, I was saying we've interviewed guys like Michael Tellinger and L.M.R. Zuli. and there's just a vast difference of understanding. Some of these guys think these giants were 3,000 feet tall. Some of these guys think they don't get over 8 foot tall. Where are you guys land? Where are you in this camp? And yeah.

Yeah, well, in our books, we're very strict on, like, you know, giant size. We don't, we don't document anything under 7 foot, for starters. And I think we've become more kind of in the realms of realism. You know, like we kind of like what is real, what has been actually recorded in history and but we do have anomalies we have a lot of accounts going up to nine foot which are very kind of valid north america uh britain all over the world you start going up to 10 foot 12 foot 15 foot it gets a bit more challenging but we've got accounts like near stonehenge for instance in solesbury of a 14 foot 10 skeleton recorded in the early 1500s which was witnessed by sir

Thomas Elliott, who was a scholar, academic, who's a member of parliament for Cambridge. He became knighted as well by the Queen. And we also have William Camden, who wrote the Britannia, Britannica books as well. And John Leland, who is all well-known scholars and writers and authors at the time, all witnessing this and writing about this. It's really hard to kind of not take that seriously. So that's, to me, that's like validity, you know, when you get that kind of, them kind of people talking about it.

And that's 14 foot 10. So therefore, that means it's a possible reality to me now because, you know, that, you know, when we realized that when certainly when putting this book together. And so, yeah, so when you go past that, I mean, we've got one that's 21 feet tall. That's a tallest one we feature in the book. It's actually one, which is like, what's 60 feet tall, but we think that's just someone's got odds mixed up with feet. or so we can't we don't we haven't really kind of pursued that one but so yeah so you've got to take this

seriously i mean there's too many accounts i mean north america we've got like 1500 accounts going up to like you know 16 feet tall things like this between seven and 16 feet tall in britain we've got several hundred now and some of these are solid and like you know and and and then you get one of the thing one of the things you might be interested in is that you know that some of the skeletons we believe that have been reported especially very long time ago may have been being bigfoot skeletons. We've got one. What's that one in Ohio that we talked about that was found in a gravel pit? And the description of it is very much like, you know, like a Bigfoot or Satch squat kind of description. It wasn't a burial as such. It was just found. And so that this kind of, you know,

had very kind of long arms, strangely long arms, a huge jaw and some other features that don't seem like they're human. And so it's little things like this. We spot, you know, when we kind of go through our research when we're researching for books such as this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've heard all kinds of weird stuff on our like ones with horns. Yeah.

Like Cyclops. Yep. And there's like dwarves have been found. Little people. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. No, no.

Well, the hobbits have been found in Indonesia. Three foot tall human cousins back about 50,000 years. And actually the second set of remains was found about eight, nine hundred thousand years old and they were even smaller. And then the Denisovins were found in 2010. They made it with us. and Neanderthals. The teeth were so large they thought they were cave bear teeth. And they recently just found the Dragon Man skull in China in 2018 analyzed it, came up with a scientific

paper, a team of anthropologists at the University of Beijing. And it's like the largest homo skull ever found and analyzed. And it is a human cousin, at least 146,000 years old. So a lot of the science is verifying these claims. Of course, people want to say, you know, want to look and analyze a 10 or 12 foot skeleton. And I agree that you're not going to do. get the general population in until you have that scientific evidence. That being said, I think us and many others like Ross Hamilton, Greg Little, Andrew Collins, have firmly established a royal class of seven foot to probably eight and a half foot tall Native American chiefs in North America and the similar royal class in the United, I mean in the UK. But anthropologists in

the 40s, 50s and 60s have verified this like Don Dragoo, the head of the Carnegie. these over seven-foot adena chiefs had massive jaws, massive skulls. He even called it the adina jaw. And then there's a council all of the country where the laborer puts the jawbone over his face. And they occur in the British Isles too. So in an era of inefficient communication and like these voluminous archaeological works or town and county histories. And then the Smithsonian's own ethnologist found seven and eight-foot skeletons. One of them found in 1873 in Alton, Illinois, a 36.

in circumference skull, which is utterly outrageous, probably a nine or foot, ten foot, individual. And so I think we formally established that, but I'm really interested in the real story, frankly, which is a much broader, more metaphysical, more supernatural story, I believe. So I will never be taken seriously as an academic source. So I'm just like, I'm trying to be a goodwill ambassador from the lunatic fringe, essentially. We love it. We love it.

And that's what our, that's what our, that's where our show lives. I mean, we started out with Bigfoot, got into the ancient giants, and then it gets into the UFO stuff. Do you feel like some of these narratives are coming down? Because obviously they've been keeping, you know, you said you had TED Talks canceled and stuff scrubbed off the internet,

and the Smithsonian is always on the scene in this situation, stealing bones and all that stuff. Do you feel like they prepared the masses for this UFO narrative that's coming? Do you think like all this stuff is related? Are they going to tell us that the world is supernatural? That's a good question. I will say that there is, when you get into the Idera giants, they were purported to be created by these beings, these supernatural beings like Vericocha in Peru or in the Bible, the whole idea of the Nephilim and the watchers.

And they have this supernatural origin. And they were destroyed in a flood by Veraccia in Peru as well as in the Bible lands. And there's all these biblical connections to the British Isles as well. And the Native Americans, they have the same kind of this, like, malevolent cannibaline. Glastic giants. Then there is benevolent wisdom keepers in a royal class. Then there's strange anatomic anomalies like double rows of teeth or six fingers and toes. And the entire world is allured with giant hands and feet and rock art. Isolated Pacific Islands, all the United States of giant hands and feet with six fingers and toes. The giant of gath in the Bible has 24 digits.

So there's a lot of these connections to this idea. And you got elongated skulls and things like that speak of purported emulation of some weird species that's shown up, the engineers, if you will. So I believe in some Prometheus-like creation of humans as well as the giants. But it gets all scrubbed, right? It gets all hidden from the mainstream narrative. Why do you think that is? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of that.

I mean, the mainstream don't take on. Obviously, you probably come across this if you're researching things like, you know, the Satchkot and Bigfoot and things like that. But, yeah, the same principles apply. when you're looking at giants as such. And so clearly in America we have the whole kind of cover up really by the Smithsonian, but also this was an agenda being played out, which was the manifest destiny agenda of, you know, white, almost like supreme white people coming over and taking over from the natives, pushing them onto reservations. So when they were finding like,

you know, 10 foot skeletons and geometrically perfect kind of mound sites stretching over several, of all miles. It didn't really fit in with the idea that these were savages. These were like master geomancers and surveyors and builders who were an elite tribal kind of royal class. And so they had to hide that away. It didn't fit with the narrative. It didn't fit in with the theory of evolution being pushed at the time, etc., etc. That's just in North America. But in Britain, for instance, like we have this whole story back in the early 1900s where they were changing the history of Britain, especially pushing it into Wales, Because Wales was holding on to the old traditions, which included giants and things like the whole Brutus of the Trojan wars coming over and found in Britain, battling the Patriot giant Gog-Modg down in the southwest coast.

And so that was all removed and this kind of agenda was pushed into the schooling system and so forth. And so, you know, when I went to school, for instance, back in the 70s and 80s, it's like it was like, you know, all you get taught is like there was the history back to the road. Romans. Before the Romans, it was savages for thousands years. And then there was dinosaurs back then. There was nothing in between sort of explaining the real stuff that we've realized, as we've got older, you have to investigate yourself. And like, and the whole Neolithic and Bronze Age thing wasn't addressed them. It's being more addressed now. But this is where a lot of these so-called giant discoverers lie. This is the era we're talking about. So yeah, it messes it up and also you know you just kind of look at you know you look enough into the records all the

stuff's there that's what we kind of specialize in really digging out the old accounts digging out the stories digging out these excavations that being you know hushed away and pushed away i mean there are like what 17 accounts of seven to eight foot tall giants is found in smithsonian's own annual report of the late 1800s and yet several years later they denied they ever existed and they were they were wrong and they were wrong. You know, so hang on, I say 17 accounts in your own reports, your own excavators discovering this. And they're all wrong, you say? So you have things like this that covering up trying to dismiss their own findings. That's like an impossible margin of error, right? You're like, you can't mess up that many times. Even who you got running their stuff, right? Like, it's analogous

to these other ideas that have been verified by science. Like the Clovis barrier has been shut down. There was just a new finding in New Mexico of 23,000 year old footprints that were found, human footprints, that pushes back the age of Homo sapiens in North America. The younger dryest event is this cataclysmic event that has now been verified by science. Gobeckley-Tepe, Carrahan-Tepe, we have civilization that goes back 12,000 years, highly sophisticated. So it has taken a long time to get there. And the guys like Graham Hancock and Rindle Carlson have been beating the drum for 20, 30 years

and catching so much heat. But now the claims have been verified. There's not a lot of apology letters. Right. People want to think that there's the lizard people. and meeting with the U.S. military at the lowest level of the Denver airport and coming up with some master plan. Maybe that's true, but I look at the human ego and kind of the laziness and infantile nature of the self-protective ego. And, you know, people don't want to admit when they're

wrong, especially people who have prestige. We're kind of on the outside and we're not contingent on academics, the economic world to pay our salaries. So we can investigate these things. But I've like organized and led archaeological teams to my television shows. And I have, friends who are skeptics and geologists and historians. And they just don't, they find me this fascinating creature because we can talk about these things, but they never talk about this amongst their colleagues. They really do not give it the slightest amount of, of veracity. So when Hugh and I go back into the historical records, we find this treasure trove of documented evidence. And it's not like, you know, we've got some supernatural abilities. It's that we are willing to look, collate,

and bring forth this information. It's all. there for anybody to see, frankly. Yeah. And you guys have the best accents for many team in there. Hey, Hugh, can you talk a little bit about, because I haven't heard a lot of what you were talking about, a little bit about the prehistory in Britain. Your book is about Stonehenge and about Giants in UK. You talked about this giants coming to Britain and then the history in Wales.

That's something that I'm not familiar with and probably a lot of our audiences. And I would love to hear a little bit about that. And then also Stonehenge, right? this book kind of revolves around Stonehenge. And we have this whole narrative that we're fed as well about, you know, the druids built this and it's, you know, it's a line for, you know, for ceremonial reasons. But starting to think that like based on, you know, I know you guys now and what you're doing, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Stonehenge.

And I know, so those two things, maybe that's a two-prong question. But I hadn't heard the stuff that you just kind of referenced. I think you're right. You hear about the Romans showing up and you hear about, you know, the druids were in Ireland and there was, you know, these just wild. people running around, but they were, you know, uneducated. Sounds pretty, pretty standard narrative. But we'll love a little more on that.

Sure. Yeah. Well, you know, one of the things we get into the very first part of the book is the founding of the British Isles. And this is all, almost every foundation story, every kind of creation myth and kind of, you know, like patriotic story. It's always got giants involved in it, which is bizarre, really. And there's pageants even today. There's like parades around different parts of the country, the Lord Mayor's show, which is pretty much happening, I think today in London, funnily enough, early November, where they parade Gog and

Magog around, which is like Gog-Mogg is the founding giant of Britain who battled and tried to protect Britain for when Brutus, the Trojan and Carinius, his warrior kind of army general, came in and tried to take over and like relocate here after failing and losing the Trojan war. And so this is like, this is the story. This is the story that goes way back. It was written about by Ninias in the 9th, 10th century. It was written about by Jeffrey in Monmouth in the 11th, the 12th century in the history of the kings of Britain. And it basically claims that they arrived on this shore from Troy. And even though it's probably analogous of something else much earlier, probably isn't Troy itself. And they battled these giants, his remaining giants who were in the

South Coast. They won eventually throwing Gogmog. He was the leader of the giants off the But then another story he survived and they dragged him to London. And he became the symbol of the protector of the mysteries, the protector of Britain and was placed in the Guildhall, which he still is today. But now there's two of them, Gog and Magog. And as you know, Gog, McGog is like a reference to the biblical. Right. I was about to ask about that. Yeah, like Gog and Magog, right?

Like the whole Armageddon. Yeah. So you have that, yeah, that kind of thing going on as well. And so, and also the name Og, we find a lot in traditions of giants. So that's just one aspect of it. And now they're placed in the Guildhall, which is that protects, they're there to protect the old maps, the old records and the old archives of the ancient, of the ancient kind of texts. And also there's, you know, the story of also Albina, which not many people know about.

And she was this kind of almost like a priestess who arrived from Greece with the 33 sisters, 33 of them in total, rather. And they were banished from their homeland for murdering their husbands. and they ended up in Britain, where Albion, which is where Albina Albion possibly came from. And they were kind of frustrated as such. And they ended up mating with these demonic incubi, these kind of semi kind of half human, half spirit beings. And then when they gave birth, they gave birth to these marauding, powerful giants who became later, you know, as the story goes, Dasu became Gogmog, later, many generations later.

Even Merlin was said to have been fathered by one of these. incubate. And so we have these stories going that far back, which is very, very similar to the story of the Nephlin in biblical tradition, where the human women mated with these sort of, you know, watchers, these sort of semi-divine kind of very tall beings gave birth to the Nephlin. He became these kind of out-of-control giants, but who were also very sophisticated and very smart, much like in Britain. And so then we also have the story of Albion, you know, actually Albion, the giant, who again came from Greece and he was like became the patron kind of protector of Britain as well. So we have many and he was the giant and he actually battled with Hercules.

He's actually mentioned in the like the 12 labours of Hercules, I believe. And he ended up dying in Gaul, you know, France. You know, so you have to save all these stories and that's just we also have the giant brand. It was like a Welsh king whose head was buried at the Tower of London. He was a giant. We have other stories in Wales. We have a group called the Children of Don, who came from these lost lands. In Ireland, we have like the Femoreans, we have Tuadidunan and so forth. And all the stories always have these giants at their core when it comes to the foundation

myths and the beginning, the kind of cultural genesis of various parts of the British arms and different parts of history. So that answer is part one. I don't know if Jim wants to jump in there with anything. Yeah, please. When you look at the Fomorians and the Twathar de Danine in Ireland, like the Fomorians were portrayed as a malevolent zoological nightmare. And John Duncan did a painting of like in the late 1800s.

And there's like this fish guy and all these weird hybrid creatures. And Baylor was the giant leader. That's the Tolkien read all the mythology of Ireland and, you know, came up with a lot of the information for his movie, for Lord of the Rings trilogy out of this. And you have these malevolent creatures, but the Femoreans in the Yellow Book of Lekin, one of the medieval texts of the ancient traditions,

states that they had three rows of teeth. Hercules and Gilgamesh had three rows of teeth. We found accounts all over the United States of double rows of teeth. It's associated with the supernatural and the giants, but we have like Smithsonian ethnology reports of double rose teeth. Then the six fingers and toes, the polydactylism shows up, all around like kukle cane the the biggest hero and the ulster cycle of irish mythology has

seven fingers and seven toes you can find that in wikipedia and then you have the highest incidence of pituitary gigantism on the entire planet is in the north ulster county section near iron mountain where these uh twaitha day dunin landed you know so so there's this this blending of genetics and science with the mythological and that's what really is we find fascinating. And the same thing like in the Pueblo people's out in the Four Corners area. They have a higher incidence of polydactylism, six fingers and toes than the general population. And I have friends like Clifford Mahoudi and others that are Zuni elders and Hopi elders.

And they talk about, they always talk about the Lost Continent in the Pacific and the giants and the supernatural androgynous gods who show up, who had extra digits. So when you get into the myths and legends of the British Isles, they are the same as these other places. isolated Pacific Islands and, you know, native traditions in the Southwest. So, you know, really it's, it's either laziness or being disingenuous. If you take in all this information, you say, there's not a story. We get this feedback, I'll quickly say of like somehow this idea denigrates the, like the idea of possibly civilization being older. It denigrates the people of Egypt and Peru and the indigenous people and it takes away their culture. And it's like, no, it's

the same story in the British Isles, right? The Twatha-Dadezine are connected to the construction of New Grange. So it's a story that is, we're just parsing out through oral traditions. And the kind of denigration and the marginalization that economics do to oral traditions, I would say is kind of a like a backhanded swipe against that, you know, really salient information. What I think is fun is when you go back in research history now with all this in mind, you find the giants are related to almost anything you study. You know, like Gog and Magog, I was reading something the other day about my might have been connected to the Great Wall of China. There was some connection there and I don't know, but it, I was trying to find more about it, but I couldn't. But speaking to Genesis, like Jim,

you're a stone mason, you've worked with Stone. Is that something that kind of got you involved, like started your own beginning of, you know, when you have a personal experience with working with Stone, you probably are like, these megaliths are not, we can't do this, right? We, is it, is it that easy? Yes, that's good. I was talking about that. today, actually. I've gone on tours with Hugh to Egypt and Peru and Mexico and different sites around the world and the stunning similarities between the knobs and the pillowing and the tight seams you see at Egypt and Peru immediately caught my attention because

a lot of it has nothing to do with sound engineering techniques, although it's very sound construction. It's almost like it's easy to do this so we'll do it. And the tightness of the seams is beyond comprehension. The hardness of the stone is impossible. of work with the tools of the time and copper chisels. I know people make cracks about this, but it's not a matter of manpower or time. You could have a million years with this and you just cannot create a lot of what you see. And, you know, I have engineering expertise as well. And I just, I don't know, if people could understand from my vantage point, like an archaeologist or geologist, they would understand that, you know, it's just kind of beyond comprehension, some of the

megalithic sites we see. it's hard enough to get drywall right, let alone stones. You know what I mean? Oh, it's so true. Yeah. I've done all the trades, believe me. And I've lifted millions of pounds of stone. And the interlocking fits in the back like an only teatombo. It's not just in the front. There were so many aspects that are kind of mind-numbing that, yes, and I take that expertise

and deal with other stonemasons and discuss these things. And we all conclude the same thing, basically. A lot of people on our show say sound resonance is involved with the construction of these. Do you guys subscribe to that or is that something you guys have looked into? Yeah, there's, well, you look at the design of these sites now. There's a lot of research done on archaeoacoustics where actually the sites are kind of created with that built into it. And so they realize they've kind of backengineered it and found out of the case.

So if they're doing that, if they're literally building the sites, so it kind of resonates with the human voice, then it means they had a very high understanding of it. It's supposed to be proven beyond doubt now. So could they, could part of that tradition have been to raise and levitate and kind of move stones by using these kind of things? Some stories of Merlin claim he did that, and when he moved the stones to Stonehenge,

which is another tradition we find that goes back about a thousand years, that he actually used, some traditions say he used engines and gears. others say he used sleight of hand, magic, vibration technologies, or he was levitating them, things like this. And so, you know, we have to take this into consideration, especially as specifically Stonehenge as known archaeoacoustic properties. And the same principles apply at places like New Grange. They apply at the sites in Egypt, Mexico and other places. Everything is based around sound. It wasn't the primary purpose, possibly, but it was built into it. It was almost like encoding this kind of like system of knowledge that, you know, could easily have been lost,

but they, they kind of built it actually into the sites like you get with mathematics, geometry and obviously acoustics. And so, yeah, I think there's something in that that, you know, and I believe also that, you know, through our research just on Britain, like we have this whole sowers of thunder mythos where there it appears that these giants were controlling the weather and it actually put spells, curses over their grave. So if you deserve to disturb the grave, great manate, great tempests to manifest like huge storms and things, even earthquakes in some accounts.

So they had the power of sorcery and magic. And it could have been a high science. We just don't know back then where they were able to somehow link the building of sites with the kind of weather. But also, if they could do that, then they could move stones around using that same kind of power. And I think there's something that needs to be. researched more. I mean, there is evidence of, you know, people being able to levitate smaller objects. We have Edward Litts Gownen down in Coral Castle in Florida. We move these giant stones. Some people suggest he was levitating them. And so, yeah, I think that's one aspect that certainly

needs more consideration. So what about Stonehenge? Talk us about that. Talk us about, you know, the mythos surrounding that and sort of the modern narrative of what it is and what you guys believe based on you. I think this is a great, a great segue because we talked about Stones and Jim, you're Stone Mason and then we've been talking about giants and here we are with Stonehenge, one of the most famous places on earth. And yeah, I mean, was it was it was it? Talk to us about that. I mean, because it could have been resonances. Were they levitating? What do you guys think about about this, about the giants and in Stonehenge? I'll jump in there, Jim. Thank you. Yeah, but basically with Stonehenge, firstly,

the original name of Stonehenge, the earliest recorded name of Stonehenge is called the giant's dance. Not many people realize this. So the name, the first name given to the early earliest depiction ever created of Stonehenge came out not long after the history of the Kings of Britain in this French publication by, and it was illustrated by a gentleman called Robert Wace, and La Roma de Brute was the publication. It's like a paraphrased version of the history of the Kings of Britain. And it shows a giant lifting one of the lintels, the stones on top into place with Merlin and King Ambrosius next to him. And this is based on a tradition. This is based on a tradition.

I like an art piece. It's like a piece of art, I think. Yeah, that's right. Yes, a piece of art. Yeah. And this was featured in this particular publication. And that's the earliest known depiction of Stonehenge. And so that actually is a story related to the idea that Merlin bought the stones over from a place called Killarousse in Ireland.

But thousands of years before that, the stones of Stonehenge were bought from the far reaches of Africa by a race of giants to Killarruce in Ireland. And then thousands of years later, the Merlin then bought them over to Britain using this. kind of magic or levitation technology. And so you have all these stories associated with Stonehenge that are at the very foundation and they could have some elements of truth in them. Also with Stonehenge, one of the things that a lot of people don't realize is utterly unique in Britain. We have thousands, at least a thousand recorded stone circles in Britain.

Most of them are rough-hewn stones, just arranged in a circle. But that's it. You know, the only other places you find this kind of expertise and brilliance in stone construction is really placed like New Grange in Ireland and a few places in Scotland like Mays Howe for instance and both of these are connected with giants by the way and so you know that is the intriguing aspect of this when you start looking into actually what is it inside stone is you look into the measurement systems you look into the geometry you look into the kind of different alignments with other sites you realize that it's encoding extreme amounts of information

And it proves beyond doubt that this was like an international site because you have measurement systems from at least five different ancient cultures all within one site and coded within it. You have geodetic connections, the spatial arrangement of sites across the country all connect with Stonehenge, even with the bluestone quarry, great triangles kind of merge out from it across the landscape, linking up all these sites. And so you have to kind of take all these things into consideration. Obviously, it's an archaeo-astronomical temple, the summer solstice, one example of one of the alignments there. But it's also encodes the very sophisticated 18.6-year metonic moon cycle by the four station stones that are specifically placed in a rectangle just outside the stone, outside the main circle. Now, this only works at this exact latitude. If you were to move it like 10 miles north or 10 miles south, it wouldn't be a rectangle. it would turn into this kind of rhomboid shape.

And so it had to be at that latitude to take measurements of the moon at that specific latitude. So it's very, very interesting where it's placed. What's even more interesting is that the placement of Stonehenge was noted and recorded by three huge pine like totem poles that were placed just next to where the site is now, like literally 20 yards away from the stone circle, 10,000 years ago, 8,000 BC. So who put those there? And why were they buried so deep in the ground? They must have been 30 feet tall people are suggesting.

So they were marking this east-west alignment of these three great pine posts 10,000 years ago. And then 5,000 years later, they start building the stone circle. So they knew that this latitude was of interest. And so this is where it gets kind of strange. We've kind of go into it in the book, obviously, the new book. But, you know, there's, you know, was that kind of a very, very ancient sacred site before stonehenge was built.

So that just gives you an idea. But I mean, also, you know, I could do this last bit because I'm sure you've got other questions you want to ask going on a little while here. But there's this, if you look carefully inside the stone circle, there's two or three stones that have scoop marks on them. Like the stone has been superheated or softened. And it's almost like scoop marks out of cheese or butter across, you know, huge ones on one of the stones, but small ones on others.

So this suggests that they were doing something with the stone and being able to manipulate We have the levitation idea, but we also have this idea, Joseph Davidovits, you know, who like the Geopolitan Institute, where they would, he claims that the whole great pyramid, all the stones were cast rather than carved. And the same principle could apply here. But there's, strangely, there's a tradition that goes back to the 1600s, which we found in this obscure document that claims that there was a tribe of giants in the area who built Stonehenges a trophy after they won a battle. And, and, that these giants were able to soften and manipulate stone and turn it to powder and reform it into different shapes to build stonehenge. Yeah, yeah, we've posted a few videos of like what happens when you take like sand and you put it on a sound residence and you just turn the frequencies up and all the different shapes it makes. I mean, it seems like there's something there for sure. It's funny when you talk about creatures, you don't think you get into the megaliths, but we do. What about you, Hugh? How did you get into this?

What, I mean, obviously, you know, when you're working with Stone, that would get you in, Jim. What about you, Hugh? How did you get obsessed with this, with these topics? Yeah, I don't know, really. I mean, I just kind of got obsessed. You know, I used to be subscribed to like the unexplained magazine here in Britain, but back in the, like when I was young, tiny. And I became obsessed with the paranormal, supernatural kind of stuff.

That's what kind of drew me in. Crop circles drew me in as well. they drew me into this idea of the sacred landscape, these earth energies. And then I realized something just clicked that, oh, these megaliths is what I need to be looking at. And it kind of opened up this whole world of history that was not taught at school at all. None of the good stuff that would be talking about was taught at school. None of it was in any universe. They make archaeology study really boring here.

And so you kind of, you have to go in this from your own perspective. for your own passion. Yeah, it just grew from there, really, and I'm now an obsessive megalithomaniac. That's what we call ourselves, where we just kind of go around the world now, not just Britain, just hunting down these sites, finding obscure sites. And more often than not, they're related to these giants, these giant myths and stories attributed to the, as being the builders of them. So I got a question about that. I mean, it sounds like previous to it being built, this place was marked. Like you're saying it was marked as, so the significance of this place. And I think this is also a question for the you know in megalis in general there are these these points on the planet

where these things are situated and talk about what you think the significance is of stonehenge in that location and then maybe a broader context of of why these sites were chosen because it sounds like when I'm hearing you saying that like these these pine posts were marking a spot on the earth that had some significance so much so that that then there was a stone a megalite there was this this stone circle built there. I think this this was, this area where Stonehenge is and

the town of Amesbury, there's a cycle Blickmead as well, there's a few other areas, a few other spots here. This goes back to, it's known to go back to 11,000 years. And so this is the, and it is continually inhabited, you know, right up until relatively

recent times. And so it's one of the only places in Britain where that's actually been the case. It's on this chalk kind of ensconment. It's like this whole kind of area, which is chalk base. There's not many trees. And there's water, you know, clean water available in a lot of these areas. And also the fact that they're marking it that long ago, and then they decide thousands of years later to build the stone circle,

it means something because I get a sense is to do with the latitude. You know, this is what we were talking about briefly earlier, where it's all about the moon measuring the moon and the sun and things like this. There's even a kind of natural feature in the ground along the land, which almost marks the summer solstice sunrise as well, which was then built into the stone circle, the whole kind of this huge kind of earth and possibly stone avenue, which stretches about five miles across the landscape, changing direction and heading down to the river Avon and Amesbury where they found a stone circle at the end of it. And so this is a huge landscape temple. This isn't one stone circle. This is amazingly large, much like you get. with the Avebury complex, which is north of here. And so I think because it's 10,000 years old, this is right at the time when Quebec Le Tepe was being closed down. When they were closing it down, they'd used it for two or three thousand years.

And to me, it suggests that there was a movement out of the Middle East. And this is all the Watchers, the Nephlin, the Ananaki traditions. I think I'm not going to go into it all now, but I believe it sounds like there were groups going to different areas. And this was kind of after a cataclysm took place a couple of thousand years earlier, the younger dryest and so forth. And they were rebuilding civilisations. They were marking spots where they felt we needed to do some recordings here in the future. We need to kind of do something.

It's marked this spot. There was already a community here probably as well, which they probably worked with. And so I think it's something like that. But it's also, you have to understand that these sites are also chosen because there's something special. It's like you said, there's a power spot. There's something that the native people, you know, would have noted. So they felt it was energetically special. It could have had some kind of light phenomena taking place there.

It could have had some kind of energy emanating from it, which they kind of became obsessed by. But also I think it's, you know, it was a combination of all the things I've just mentioned, which is why they would choose this specific place to build stone hands. It's interesting. We're talking about the form of these rocks and scooping of the rocks. I think about the megalithic walls in Peru, especially where these stones look like they were formed and like they were poured into place like formed into place because of jim was talking about this earlier about it's like they morphically created these rocks instead of because they

fit perfectly together right you couldn't you couldn't spend a million years shaping these things and make them fit as tight as they do yeah no i'll say when the spanish showed up at pumapunco they were told that the the giants built all the walls there all the all the uh structures that you see when the spanish showed up at soxie waman they were told a different group of Spanish would hold the same thing. And they chronicled that I have it in one of my powerpoints that the Spanish talk about specifically talking indigenous people and they say that this lost race of giants built these. And Edgar Casey, in fact, says that those megaliths as well as Egypt's were built with sound

and light and levitation technology. Whatever you make of that, he specifically states that. And Percy Fawcett, who was looking for the Lossity Z, was one of the first ones that said. It looks like the stones have been melted. And that's what I, it's like, it's like they were turning into liquid form and then you molded and placed almost. That's what I take away. And there are like millions of miles of super tight seams that you can't get an electron through. You know, this isn't just like, oh, that's tight fit.

And you can really see the Inca stuff that's kind of nice, but not nearly as nice as the oldest stuff behind it. And I found no evidence where I saw Inca, you know, like in staircase. cases and other niches and stuff, like from a snowmason's perspective, like, oh, the Inca, that work was done before this, all their stuff, you know, so I really have analyzed it. And, you know, at the end of the day, I, I just believe that these esoteric traditions have something to do with, you know, lost races and giants. Associations that were everywhere, you know, Balbeck and Non-Modal. You have these megalithic sites.

You have a giant mythology, and then you have giant bones. that were uncovered and verified, like an American Geographic Society and non-Modal in the 1860s, they found like eight and nine-foot skeletons there that were documented by Captain Charles Coffin from New Antucket. And stuff like that, and you're like, wow, all these points of evidence are blending together, you know? One question I have often on this show is that, you know, the giants, it's just like a broad term, the giants, right? But the Bible, there's 36 tribes of giants. And it sounds like each tribe has a specific thing.

Over your guys' years of study, what do you think differentiates the tribes of giants? And do you think they're like crushing different dynasties, rebuilding them? And there's these markers, and then they rebuild these stone structures, and then they're repurposing things. Are they working together at all?

Or they just, is it all out war? Are they eating each other? What do you think? I think yes to all of those. I think nailed it. All right, wrap it up. I mean, it's just so confusing because it's just such a broad term, you know, giants. It's like, yeah, it's a good point.

I know, like, once again, Edgar Casey talked about giants being part of the population of Atlantis. And that's a stretch for some people already, but we're in an open-minded podcast. We just talked about that last episode. Oh, really? So we said, little people in 10 to 12 foot giants existed on the lost continent of Atlantis in the middle of the Atlantic. And when there was a cataclysm, you had spread out. So there are tales of malevolent giants and there are tales of benevolent giants. You know, there are these great mathematicians and rules who show up and they orchestrate megalithic sites to, you know, quickly say, like, when you go to the acupuncturist and you put needles in your arm, you modulate the energetic system of the body.

And that's what's happening when you place temple sites and megalis. You're bringing it into harmony for peace, for abundance, for fertility. And this kind of benevolent megalithic science was in effect all over the British Isles and other places. But then you have the Famorians and these marauding giants who are portrayed as cannibalistic. And you find it in Peru and Mexico and the United States, the Bible lands and the British Isles. You know, it really, there has to be some truth to it. None of us have a time machine, but you can't have this many traditions in these isolated pockets of civilization, including Australia, New Zealand, isolated Pacific Islands, Easter Island on and on.

And then not, you know, it's beyond coincidence. It just, you know what I'm saying? I don't give a shit about the 100th monkey or even the collective unconscious. There is no way to describe this other than there was like a lost mother culture. And there was some, there was some reality to these strange concepts we're talking about. And, you know, sober and reasonable people aren't supposed to engage in these conversations. Where's the whiskey? Where's the whiskey?

I mean, I grew up hearing the stories of the Bible and you hear these stories of like, God commanding, you know, Joshua and Caleb to wipe these people out. Well, it makes sense if they're eating everyone and they are just a complete race of evil cannibalistic parasites. It's in the Bible and mostly assholes basically, you know, some okay ones. That account is interesting, though, because you have the Joshua's campaign of the promised land and you have the scattering of these giant tribes and then then you have the lore of these giants show up in Britain and they show up in South America. And it's almost like they were taken off and kind of scattered to the, you know,

to the corners of the earth. We read an account that there was supposedly a land bridge from Africa to South America. And then you see these, you know, it was it, it was an account of a guy that was trying to prove that the Maya and the mound builders had a war in America. And he discovered like 75,000 skeletons. And it was this long detailed thing. He spent 20 years researching the mound building. We did a whole episode on it.

But do you think some of those crazier theories that they could have just walked across, like the Earth was different back then, and they could have migrated. Obviously, they were good at, they were seafarer. They had the technology. If they could build these things out of stones, and I'm sure they could circumnavigate. They like islands. The moon and the cycles of the stars, right? So you do whatever they want, I guess.

They could do whatever they want, I think. No, it's interesting. And they're different, you know, there's Emmanuel Velkovsky, Worlds and Collision. There's this idea that there's been a pole shifts and magnetic flips of the earth and land masses rising and sinking. If you look at Lake Titicaca and other places, it looks like that was a rapid geological event rather than a million year one. Even the Grand Canyon sometimes is associated with a quick and cataclysmic flood. And, you know, when you look into these things, you find these, it's like you feel like a weird, isolated researcher in your mother's basement and you're putting together these. these clues and you can't believe they're right there because you're looking from a different

perspective outside of the box like you have Asperger's or autism and you're viewing it differently, quite frankly. And a mainstream archaeologist, it's not like a vast conspiracy. You never think along those lines of evidence. And that's to me, I know Hugh feels like this. You're like, holy shit, it's three in the morning. You get 70 tabs open in your computer and you're putting this and you know, figuring it out. And that's what I feel that. The obsessed nature of the alternative researchers what really helps solve these problems or at least bring them to light you know yeah yeah well i mean i heard some stories of modern day giants on several podcasts what do you guys think about those accounts of people still seen them to this day yes l.a marzuli has that account in afghanistan

candahadha giant and there's a Solomon islands as well they're supposedly allman islands yeah and we did it we interviewed a guy that said they're in louisiana yeah we said there's one in the bayou yeah what do you think about that Well, I think it's a pretty weird universe we live in. And there are, once again, all throughout history, the strangest things have been talked about and pretty specific across, you know, different cultures. I'm open to a lot these days. You're like genetic intervention and other things. I just think there is a supernatural element out at work here.

And I can't claim to know all the answers. But I'm open to it. You know, I'm not going to shit on anybody for bringing those ideas up. I'm sure those people come up to you all the time and tell you, weird stuff. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Yeah, definitely. Like us, want you to come on our show. Yeah, what were you going to say? It's the Kandahar giant story's really interesting to me. I mean,

there's, because I've followed up on that. There's a whole bunch of, there's quite serious people who kind of looked into that and claimed that they know people in the military sort of team who were out there at the time.

One of the guys who got killed there and knew. And they said, no, Yeah, they killed the giant and brought him back to America. And that's the end of that. And I don't know what happened to the body or anything like that. But yeah, so you get that kind of thing. You know, if you go, if you just drift back into history,

you kind of see the same kind of stories like the Patagonia giants of, you know, southern, you know, the southern tip of South America going over to Antarctica even there was like the Onas giants that were recorded in 1901 by, you know, Captain Frederick Cook. Is it Frederick? Yeah. Yeah, and he photographed himself with these seven-foot-tall kind of people. So, yeah, so, you know, there's, you know, just going back 100 or so years, you have this.

You have presidents meeting giants on the Osage Indian, do a robust of this sort of beautiful royal kind of status they were described as by the people who met them. They were around in the early 1900s. So, yeah, so even up to the modern times, you have these kind of thing. The Solomon Islands things is absolutely a classic one. I mean, anyone who goes to investigate that doesn't come back for some reasons. So, you know, and there's, you know, the whole story is people don't know that they're a race of cannibalistic tribal giants still living there. So, yeah, my friend James, he wants to go there. He was with us a couple of days ago, like Stonehenge.

And he wants to go there and he wants to take me in gym. He'll be the body guy. I'm like, man, you know, however big you are, James, it's like. You're the menu. You're the menu. You're going to be like the first thing on their menus. right yeah we heard an account on our

like a car went off a road and then they came back and the car was back on the road it was like down the side of a mountain and it was like what some weird stuff and it makes me think Luke of all of all these giants maybe Bigfoot is the smartest because it's outsmarted all these giants get wiped out but the Bigfoot still out there doing his thing

yeah I guess there's something in that actually because it's the supernatural side of it as well they're one step ahead all the time. They're one step out of sight. You know, this is like the whole kind of, this is to me,

I find it interesting like this, the whole principle of what, uh, Patrick Harper wrote a book called daemonic reality. And I'll be reading that again recently. And that's what a lot of these kind of beings that were desperate to witness, you know, to actually meet them for some reason,

like Logness monster, big foot, sat squat, fairies, elves, giants, everything else. And so,

yeah, I think like, um, staying one step out of sight. it's probably the best thing they could do. Yeah. Well, I say probably easier to kill a giant, right? You could see them from a mile away and target practice.

Easy's relative, probably. Yeah, it's relative. Yeah. I guess I've got one more question. I just like, you guys wrote this entire book on Stonehenge and Giants of the UK of Great Britain. What was the most surprising thing you guys found or maybe the most eye opening or what was the one thing you point to? It was like, man, this was the craziest or most interesting thing that we discovered in the process of putting this together. I can go, yeah, I can go first on that. I'd say it's the extra

row of teeth associated with the mythological giant race that showed up, the highest occurrence of gigante, pituitary gigantism on Earth in northern Ulster County, and the extra digits associated with giants in the British Isles and the massive jawbones that fit over the face, like I found, you and I have found in basically every state in the United States. So it really solidified this idea that, whoa, you have the same story. by these sober individuals being found in the British Isles and the mythology matches up with these strange and specific anatomic anomalies. That to me and the pituitary gigantism. So you can, you can point to this genetic, you know, maybe it's, there was some interbreeding and it was a

reject, like a genetic rejection. And it caused a pituitary condition where you get a tumor on your pituitary gland and you grow giant. But, you know, you can't get around the fact that, you know, Alstah County, you have this, this super high incidence of this gigantic position. disposition. So that to me was the kind of the clincher that wow, there is really a story here because it's so specific. Yeah. I agree with Jim. I think some of the points he kind of stunned us and kind of like, you know, drove us on really. But again, I think I'm coming back to this when you're finding these incredibly sophisticated scholars, members of parliament, you're finding these academics at the time knighted by you know the kings and queens at the time witnessing

14 foot 10 inch tall skeletons in this stonehenge and just matter of fact don't keep documenting them putting them down you know and like but that's the tip of the iceberg we've got probably like 20 or 30 more very well-known people who were like either doctors or surgeons they were well-known they would not make this up there was multiple witnesses even to a point where the royal family were involved going back to almost a thousand years to the glastonbury giant that was found in glastonbury abbey which they thought was king arthur where there was you know so things like this but the other aspect of it is the soers of thunder mythos this this thing where this is recorded right up until recent times if you go and disturb or desecrate or try and dig up the

grave of a giant like a giant's tomb sometimes megalithic site if it's associated with giants are supposed to be one buried there, great storms will manifest. And like some of the descriptions we've got from very well-known people, again, you know, doctors like, you know, outstanding, you know, outstanding members of society, that this actually happened. This, or appears to be, like magic actually occur when disturbing the graves of these giants. So things like that, you can't just dismiss them. There's too many accounts that kind of, that are by very well-known, very classy people

who would not ruin their reputation by making this up. And then you've got actual kind of magic manifesting when you disturb the graves of these giants. When you look into the myths, they all say they were sorcerers or magicians. They had control of the weather. They were shamans. They all say they were sorcerers and magicians.

That's wild. That's like Curse of Pharaoh or something like that. Like the curse of King Tut. That's crazy. When we interviewed Fritz Zimmerman, who went all 700 mounds in North America, he said he would never take anything from the mound. He was like, never take anything.

And it reminds me of that island, is it non-Madal that? Non-Modal. Yeah. That it's supposedly cursed, right? You can't. I can tell that story. Yeah, we actually, we covered that in our show for the history channel. We did an episode of The Giants Curse.

My landlord at the time and friend Al Parapin in Asheville, Massachusetts, he worked and taught on Nan Madal in the 50s and 60s. And he came back and we was shooting the breeze. And he told me how he took a fruit from the Nan-Madal, the temple complex and brought it back to the village. And they all told them, you know, all the natives, this isn't like a white guy story. This is what the indigenous people are saying, don't eat that fruit. They made them throw it away. They specifically say that they did not build the site. Their ancestors did not build the site. The Sautilayers in the 12th century added on to what was preexisting.

And two brothers, it's like, Oshippa and something else, came from a lost sunken land in the Pacific. And they built it by magic and levitation. And they would. giants. And that's what the native people specifically state and their traditions go back thousands of years. So Governor Victor Berg, when it was a German possession, I think in 1907, he went into the temple and they went into the tomb and they found eight and nine foot skeletons and then this incredible tempests showed up and then the next day he died. And that's all verified in the dark. That's not like a tall tail. That is verified. We cover it in the show. We cover it in the book and there are, there's like weather shamanism books about the Native Americans who have that

ability that that's why the army was all of the suit because their shamans would whip up weather and they were so horrified at the powerful ability of the native shamans. And these stories are all around the world, but especially in the Native American cultures, it's not, you can view it as supernatural, but they are just using like a science we don't understand of divination in the understanding of the elements. And what Hugh was saying, when you understand it, it's like, These sites were like capacitors of energy that was stored. So you break into them and there's a layline, there's water, there's specific energy in stone used, and it explodes energetically to create this effect.

So you could say, oh my God, it's the mummy's curse. But there are scientific reasons to describe that. And it's the megalithic law science at work that we are coming around to understand now. Makes you wonder about Bermuda Triangle if there's something going on there. there is something it's something like this effect we're talking about right here,

no question about it. I don't say Brendan Fraser was on to something, huh? I guess I got two questions. I want to talk about some of the physical artifacts,

the weapons that you guys have uncovered or learned about. But do you think it's a simple example of, like you talked about it several times on the show that could be a simple explanation of angelic DNA and human DNA creates this pituitary disorder

and that is that kind of what you guys think might be it? Is it as simple as that? Theoretically, yeah, no, I think there's a supernatural element. Not that it's simple, but you know what I mean? Not that it's simple, but I have come to the conclusion that humans as well as giants and different and hybrid creatures are a side effect of some genetic intervention. I really do. I don't, I'm not anti-evolution by any means. I'm not anti-science, but it seems like there was an intervention of some sort. And that's me comparing the Sumerian

texts with the Kichimaa sacred texts with the variculture and all the legends of Peru, the Native American legends, all the wisdom keepers I've spent time with and all the religious documents say that, you know, Anki and Anil and Samaria or Veraccio, Afushi and China, there are all these gods that create out of the clay and genetic material. They create humans. They create giants. They are mastered geneticists. And if you read into the Dogon Nithel, in Mali Africa, they say that there are these gods from the serious star system that, you know, so you can get the extraterrestrial angle to it. And I'll just say the universe is so incomprehensibly big and all as it does is produce life.

It's like that after, there was a show where, you know, like after the cataclysm or something like that. But, you know, anyways, like in a parking lot, grass just grows up and breaks through the concrete. You think that there's not that we're the only intelligent life in the universe. It's just an infantile orientation. So I've come to that conclusion, not because I want to sell books or be a freak. It's because I've read all the ancient sources and they all ring true and they're so specific. We don't have any books, but we are weird.

So we got that going for us. What about you, Hugh? What do you think about some of those theories and then maybe get into the weapons part of some things that you've, some physical artifacts that are not bones. and not historical accounts. Yeah, I mean, the main area we've got, we've actually got physical artifacts is North America.

We don't, there's a few here. There's some extremely ancient hand axes from Cuckston and Ken, the first platt axe, Berkshire, a couple of others which are like 200 to 400,000 years old and are absolutely giant-sized. But in North America, we've got many, many mound culture,

axe heads and tools and weapons, which are extremely giant-sized. and they've clearly been used. They're clearly not ceremonial. I did a follow-up article, actually, to that. After the books, we found, we actually got to handle one. We actually made, especially up on the Megalithamia UK YouTube channel, or we've got to, someone sent us it.

It's like this 38, 36 to 38-pound axe head, which is, you know, this big. And it was two. And then another person a couple of years ago bought one to us as well. And we were like, whoa, you know, so these are being discovered. These are being shared around and reported by collectors, even in the modern day. And so you've got things like that, you have to kind of,

you know, take into consideration. In Britain, you have many of the accounts we've come up with, we've uncovered, talk about giant weapons, swords, axes,

armour and things like this being discovered. But often they crumble to dust or they're so rusted, they kind of, they're so ancient, they disintegrate. I have seen a giant sword,

which is about eight or nine feet long up in the museum in Edinburgh, but we later found out, they were kind of a traditional ceremonial swords by specific kind of families who were, yeah, who were kind of creating them as part of their kind of regalia. And so, yeah, that's probably, you know, that is probably correct for those ones, but there's other ones that you just can't explain. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we see some of those giant arrowheads that get posted on our channels. And you, do you think those are legitimate? They look like they're. Yeah, I think so. I mean, they're huge. I mean, they're big. I mean, this would be like a giant, like a tree flying engine.

Well, I mean, you look into the early explorers in North America. They, you know, in our book, Giants on record, we do a whole chapter called Early Explores. And we look at that, all the Spanish, British and other kind of cultures coming into America. And they're often battling and at war with these giant Native Americans. And they talk about these eight-foot-tall warriors with giant bows and arrows firing at them. and things like this. And so you can't dismiss that. It matches, the myths match what's being discovered.

So I think there's definitely something in it. Yeah, yeah, like in Alabama, Tuscaloosa and his son are like eight and eight and a half feet tall from Virginia down to Patagonia. There's Magellan and Drake. And every early explorer you can name specifically states they encountered like seven, eight and sometimes over nine feet tall native rulers and chiefs and shamans. and these are all people who are trained in the outer observation, you know, and they'll say things like this youth was taller than all our men on his knees, you know, stuff like that. So it isn't like, because the conventional line is the Spanish, yeah,

they were like 5'2 and the natives were like 5'8, you know. And yeah, that may be true in the general population, but they specifically state that there was a royal class that was utterly enormous and incredibly strong and they had a voice like a bull and all these other attributes. They were divine to look upon, like this noble bloodline, frankly, and we're like diminished hobbit-like creatures in their presence, you know. The little people. We were the little people, yeah.

Well, gentlemen, what do you guys' future plans and what do you guys hope to accomplish? What are some of the goals you guys have? I mean, I know in some of these spaces, it just gets fascinating with curiosity, but what do you guys want to do and accomplish? and then maybe toss out where people can find you and get involved. Well, for me, it's like I think, you know, with the giant stuff, I mean, you know, I never intended when I set out in this kind of realm of ancient mysteries to be writing books on giants, to be honest with you.

It wasn't in my kind of mindset, but it's too compelling to ignore. And I'm quite sensible. I'm quite level-headed. I'm not like a crazy kind of conspiracy theorist or anything like that. I've had elements of that in my long, deep past. But nowadays, it's like, like, you know, And so it's just such an interesting subject, which is like to me, it's like a missing chapter of British, British and worldwide history, really. And it's not been opened up enough for me.

I want to know more about it. So you get into it and you kind of start uncovering. I mean, some of the places, resources and, you know, documents we've uncovered. We've got stuff in our book that's never been published for sure. A lot of it, a lot of stuff we've got in our book, has never been published. It's only seen the light of day and obscure academic. journal, sometimes in Welsh, sometimes in Latin and things like this. And so, yeah, so we get obsessively kind of research crazy for that kind of thing.

So my goal really is just to, you know, provide and like all this documentary evidence, put our analysis on top of it without pushing an agenda onto it. We're not like believers. We just think this needs to be looked at and we put it out there in a very coherent, very thoughtful way. That's kind of where we're at. And for me, you know, I've got a future project. I've got a few more books on the go.

I'm going to be working on. I've got one on pyramids. I'm going to be working on, which fascinating me. Jim and I are going to be doing a worldwide giant's book in a few years time. We're going to have a little break from Giants. We've been on it for so long. But we've also been offered to do a small book on Giants by this wooden books company

I work with. So endless amounts of things. But for me, I'm an explorer as well. So I've got a lot of places I want to visit. Yeah. I'll say that. I'm interested in the Lost Hall of Record.

records, Edgar Casey's lost all records purported to be under the par of the sphinx. That's an investigation, I think. I really feel if there was evidence that comes forth that is beyond Gobeckley-Tepe, something that really talks about this lost world that we're all interested in, there'll be a metaphysical component to it, you know, kind of Edgar Casey-ish, you know, understanding of the nature and reality of what we're doing in time and space, what you really are, you know, is reincarnation real, you know, these, these questions that many people have. And I study Ramana Maharshi and the non-duilists and the

course of miracles and all those metaphysical texts. And I started reading all the non-duilists when I was like 13 years old. I read the Upanah, Upanishads and Lao Tsu. And like, and I was like a 13-year-old kid. So it's in my DNA to be metaphysically oriented in this lifetime. That's what I feel. And I think, you know, I like to point people in that direction and not be dogmatic about it. And because I'm like a fake tough guy, Stone Mason, you know, guys kind of say, oh, if this this moron is talking about metaphysics, maybe I want to look into it. Because ultimately, you know, a lot of people deal with depression and mental illness and a lot of problems. And it's really good to have a grounded, you know, understanding of the nature of reality that helps mitigate that. You know, that to me,

I have a lot of compassion for people who suffer with that because my mom and other people around me have and I've had my own boats with it. So I'm like, how do you live a better? life essentially. And I think that we look to ancient cultures to find a better way of life in a way that's more in harmony in a way that isn't filled with like criticisms and judgments of others because it's a holographic reality and it all comes back to you. So that's a long winded way of saying that, you know, I'm metaphysically oriented. And I like to share that and whatever, you know, some people probably dig it. Some people think I'm a little too out there. But I, uh, that's what I love it. You're the right place for that. You're the right place for out

there. That's where we go. That's where we go on our show. When you were 13, you're reading books about on metaphysics and I was playing Mario cart. So very different. Yeah, I mean, I was getting drunk and breaking in houses too. I'm not, you know, I wasn't the same. I was going to grow up in Boston, you know. So town, let's go. Yeah. Love it. So I guess my last question, are red is, are red-haired people part giant? That's, what do you think? If you're red-headed, yes, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Nate, you're in trouble. I can't tell you how many legends, you know, people from Portugal and Spain contact me,

and they tell these legends of red-haired people and just like Peru and Eastern Island. Like I'm out of Ireland and Scotland and Red Herd Giants too, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It has to have some connection and the elongated skulls in Prakis, have that red hair. I know Brian Forster talks about that in Marzuli. There's a connection between the elongated skull people. And if you want to believe in mysteries and take on the skeptics, have them explain how all these diverse cultures around the world can do the most ridiculous and bizarre things of their children and elongate their skulls. And that to me is a clincher, Rick.

Yeah. We were lucky to have him on the show. We were Brian on. You guys are giants in this space. Yeah. Thanks for staying up a little later out there in the UK and spending time with us guys. We totally appreciate it. Yeah, I did a bunch of Adderall, but not.

Yeah, well, you'll be up all day. All day and all day. Good for you, man. He'd be productive. Yeah. Thanks, gentlemen. I really appreciate you coming on Bory Creatures. And we've been all over the place on this episode.

That's how we like to do it. And we love to have you. Love to have you back, talk about pyramids and everything else you guys are doing. You do worldwide giants. Like, just, yeah, I appreciate you guys taking the time. I'm surprised at History Channel let you do a show on Giants, Jim. They didn't know what they were in for. Yeah.

I'll tell you what. The ratings were awesome for that show. Everybody loved it. They did an up and down vote. And they have historical. associated with like the Smithsonian and they probably said we can do some freaking car restoration show and not take the heat for this and they they there was like one vote down which we couldn't believe my producers couldn't believe either but they asked us to do several rhone oak specials and

we've maintained a relationship with them I'm not disparaging anybody but that show was so freaking that was great I used to watch it I watched before I got in this space I loved it yeah yeah well that was the first thing I thought I was like man I can't believe they actually let this slide. Like, yeah, I think we were, there was an element of criticizing the Smithsonian. I think that may not have helped because they've got a big influence and stuff like that. So then again, we were an entire chapter criticizing them in our previous book as well.

God, God forbid you tell the truth, right? I mean, God forbid. Yeah. And, yeah, we uncovered something quite remarkable, you know. We showed an eight and a half foot skeleton. We showed the burial site. That was number two in, episode two in Staleville. and we showed the photograph laying in the doctor's office that University of Missouri

anthropologists put together the skeleton and it was shipped. It was on the front page of the St. Louis Herald. They took the eight and a half foot skeleton that was found in the cave in 1936 and shipped to the Smithsonian. And then we took it to Todd Disattel, an anthropologist at NYU and he was kind of like, whoa, that's an interesting story. I don't know what to make of it. So I can't imagine that sat well because they claim that the largest skeleton they have

is a six-foot-three Sioux Indian with acromegaly with pituitary gigantism. So I'm not saying there's a vast conspiracy, but there's no question that there was zealous, racist lunatics who ran the anthropology department like Dr. Herlitska for many years. And he was the guy's Giants and No More and you're all lunatics. And he was a real zealous prick. And you have people like that that have a real chilling effect on these ideas, you know? So it doesn't have to be a room full of white guys with cigars. but, you know, there's definitely some conspiratorial aspect.

You're not saying there's a mass conspiracy, but there was one, right? That's... I mean, just on our show, just on our show alone, we've had three or four people email us and say, you know, I dug up some giant bones with my grandpa, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, come on the show. And they're like, no, don't want to come on the show. People don't want to talk about it. They don't want to talk about it.

They know. In America, it's kind of illegal. There's like a NAGPRA Act, the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. So there's like a lot of reasons not to. But yeah, I understand that. I mean, we got people contact us, but then they wouldn't do anything with it, you know, even though they contact bones and skeletons. But yeah, I mean, it's a similar principle here, really. I mean, we've got limited amount of actual physical, although there is a couple of museums that have actual bones and seven-foot skeletons and things like that.

So there's, yeah, like I say, there's just too much evidence and too many witnesses to, you know, deny existence. Gentlemen, yeah. Appreciate so much. We've learned a lot of things on this episode of all the beasts out there. Bigfoot's the smartest. Luke, he's the smartest. Yes, that's factual. He's the stealthiest at least.

You know that. Exactly. He's managed to last this long. Thank you guys. Yeah. Have a Guinness from the source for me, huh? I haven't been to Ireland in five years, but I know you guys are in England, but if you get over there.

I went to New Grange, actually, when I was there. And I thought the place was fascinating. I know we didn't really get into New Grange much, but the place was really interesting. We used to go inside of it and all that. It was crazy, crazy. Well, thanks for having us on this show. We do appreciate it.

Yeah. I mean, what you're doing is really great. And it was, we got connected by D. Derek, yeah. I want to mention him. You know, he does good work as well. And just so people know, if people, the book, if they don't know, I'm sure you mentioned this already is the Giants of Stonehenge and ancient

and Britain. If they just Google that, they'll find us. They can just Google me and Jim as well. We've got tons of videos on the megal. Lithamia YouTube channel and things like that. And they can contact us easily through these different means as well. If they've got any giant bones, they want to send us to things like that. Send them on.

Send them to us too because we're looking as well. Appreciate you guys so much. Yeah, we'll let you know when this comes out. We do a lot of video promo and we make a bunch of graphics and stuff. So we'll send it your way if you want to post it. No big deal either way. But we appreciate you guys a ton. Thanks for staying up and coming on our show.

Awesome. Good to see you guys. Take care. I appreciate it. Take care guys. See you guys.