Blurry Creatures - EP: 85 CERN with Josh Peck

Episode Date: January 25, 2022

What is CERN? Exactly how does the Large Hadron Collider operate? Is more going on than just smashing invisible particles together? Truth is stranger and far scarier than fiction. This is where internationally celebrated investigative researcher multiverse television host Josh Peck arrive to expose the reality of a plan so nefarious that it involves not only the history of Apollyon-Abaddon, but his near-future fulfillment of biblical prophecy and entrance into the world. Are they opening a portal to hell itself?  Guest: https://www.dailyrenegade.com Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to bring on author and just generally all around smart guy, Josh Peck, to talk about CERN and some of the other topics that come up on our show all the time. So enjoy. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person. is right because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural.

This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Welcome to the show, Josh Peck. You're an author, biblical researcher, videographer at Skywatch TV. You've created many shows yourself. And you've written a lot of books. including Abadon ascending with Tom Horn. Also, you've talked about quantum physics, and we talk about that a lot on our show, trying to understand how these creatures kind of go

to and from. And that's a very bigfoot thing, Luke. We talk about that a lot about how Bigfoot can do that. And people describe that. So welcome to the show. And that is what we ask everybody at the top of the hour. Josh, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? What do you think about that creature?

Thanks for coming on blurry creatures. What do you think? All right. So here's my thought. If this creature exists, and that's an if. If it exists, I kind of lean in believing that it does. I think it's probably a giganapithecus that happened to survive.

But think about it this way. In light of the whole Genesis flood, demon, nephalum, all that stuff, in light of that, what if this is just a regular animal that's, it's really smart, you know, but it's not, it's not human. It's a little smarter than normal monkeys that were aware of. If you were a demon trying to find a body to inhabit it, and humans are, difficult because, you know, they can be cast out of humans and they have their own souls anyway. But of the whole animal kingdom, if Bigfoot exists, and if you could inhabit animals,

we know demons can. They went into the pigs and in the gospels and all that. But what would they pick? You know, maybe they would pick Bigfoot, you know, to inhabit. You do that over centuries, maybe. Maybe they can do things now that they hadn't been able to do. But if they're demonized, you know, that might be. And I don't think they all are, but that might be why some of them are really violent and some of them seem docile and curious. So just a couple of thoughts,

but I'm still on the fence. I don't really know. I like that, Josh. It's like you could try to inhabit a human, like you drive a Prius or you can get in a Ford F650, like Bigfoot. Yeah. You're breaking trees and turn them upside down, right?

I mean. And think about it. They're natural. If it's a real animal, they're naturally elusive. I mean, they have everything that a, a demon who's afraid of Christians that can cast them out.

You know, they got everything that they would want. So here's a question for you. If a demon gets into you, does that give you extradimensional abilities just being inhabited by a spirit? I have no idea. I've only, I've only heard like anecdotal stuff. So I have a couple of people that are in deliverance ministries. And I've heard stories where it seems like they can, you know, teleport and do all this

weird stuff. But I honestly have no idea. It's probably better that way, Josh. Yeah, yeah. Well, hey, we talk about dimensions all the time on our show, and it's a lot of conjecture, and we don't really know the details. But a lot of people say they see these creatures, and then they just slip right through some sort of portal. And what we brought you on the show today is talk about CERN. A lot of people asked us about that, and you wrote a book about it. And I know that you mentioned that you haven't been digging into it lately. And supposedly they've been firing this thing up lately. But we haven't talked about it at all on our show. So talk to us like we don't know. know anything about CERN. Because we don't. We don't. I mean, other than what they tell you. Yeah. In platitudes on the AP and rooters, right? Like, oh, yeah, you know, it's just this hydrogen, you know, or it's a particle collider. And, you know, they're just, they're just trying to figure out the fabric of the universe. You're like, sure, sure you are. It's like the office episode. Talk to me like I'm five.

That's kind of what we, yeah, we don't know anything. But people always want us to talk about That actually works out perfect because, yeah, I haven't been keeping up with as much of the current events having to do with Sir. I've actually been into Dead Sea Scroll stuff lately. Okay. But, yeah, but actual just how the machine works is pretty mind-blowing. And it actually does show that our physical reality is a lot we're we think. Just so people know where I'm coming from, I'm a Christian, obviously. I lean towards Young Earth, I guess.

And but I don't, again, that's. another one of those I don't really know. But, you know, in science, they're always going to say the 14, 15 billion year thing. Maybe, maybe not. I don't think it necessarily has to be that long. But let's just like go with their numbers if we have to talk about it. But so the way that this, okay, CERN is the organizing body, the, the people in charge of what's called the large Hadron Collider, which is basically a big particle accelerator. And it, or it crashes particles together and then they examine. the explosion and they try to see if there are any new particles in that explosion. Now, you might wonder, how could firing two protons together, which is one kind of particle, how could that create something like a Higgs boson, which is a totally different kind of particle, that would be like crashing two cars into each other and somehow getting a baby rhinoceros out of it? You know, it's just two totally different things. Well, it's because what we think of as particles is actually not, it's not exactly real. We think of particles as these little bits of matter. Like they're,

they're small, but they're still like solid. Because they make up reality, so they would have to be. But that's actually not what particles are at all. Particles are really just an energy fluctuation and what's called quantum fields. A field is what produces a particle or this energy spike. You could think of a field as it's everywhere all the time, kind of like temperature. The temperature in the room. It fluctuates depending where you are in the room, but it's always around. You know, you can always measure it. It's a property that exists all over. Well, everything is like that. Gravity, mass, light, you know, everything is like that in the universe. And that's what reality is. So just like if you can have like a heat spike in one part of the room, that can happen in

these quantum fields. And when that spike happens, when that energy spike happens, that is the particle, that energy spike. So it's not really a little piece of matter at all. It's actually just like a localized burst of energy. Now, what's strange talking about extra dimensions is there's no known source for the energy that's creating all these particles all the time throughout the universe. And the only thing that I've ever heard any secular scientists really comment on it is they'll go as far as to say, we don't know what it is, but it's got to be something extra dimensional. And then they won't take get any further than that because obviously that gets into the whole God question and everything. And usually scientists like to avoid that. So the reason that the large hedge on collider works the

way it does is because our reality is actually made up of all these fields, like dozens of fields. I think there's something like 52 discoverable ones or ones that have been discovered already. When you fire two protons together or any two particles, well, except photons because they don't interact. But if you have like two protons smashed together, all that energy vibrates, the other surrounding fields. And so the hope is by adding energy to these other fields, they can cause that field to vibrate and they can cause an energy spike, a particle, and maybe discover a new particle. That's how they actually discover new fields. So in 2012, the discovery of the God particle, it's really just the Higgs boson. It doesn't, I mean, God created all the particles. So in

that sense, it has something to do with them. But besides that, it was just the marketing thing, why they called it that. But in 2012, the discovery of the Higgs boson was such big news because it showed that there's this thing called a Higgs field. So the particle is just evidence that the Higgs field exists. The Higgs field is what really the big discovery was. The Higgs field is what actually what mass is. So the more you interact with this Higgs field that is all around us, the more you move through it, that's that interaction is mass, which is really weird and trippy to think about because it means it's not really like a mass isn't so much of a substance as it is like an interaction. But it explains why things happen in the universe the way they do, why photons travel at the

speed that they do and why they have no mass. How can a photon, how can something exist that has no mass? It's because mass isn't substance, it's an interaction. Photons just don't interact with the Higgs field at all. You know, without any interaction with the Higgs field, that's why they're able to travel as fast as they can. That's also why that's the cosmic speed limit. The speed of light is as fast as anything can go. That's no interaction with the Higgs field. So that's why that was such a big deal. I don't know where you want to take it. I could just keep rattling off information, but maybe I should pause and see if you guys got any questions. Well, no, I mean, it makes me think, Luke, this is how maybe a creature could walk through walls. Mass doesn't actually exist to them. Or the way that it

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So if, but if an angel, for example, if it was an extra dimensional entity, let's say it just had one more spatial dimension than we do, and I can get into what all that means. But that would mean that they would be able to bypass certain things that we're bound to in our physical reality. The best way to understand this, because it's impossible to understand, but the best way to at least kind of get a grasp on it is to think about one dimension lower than ours. So not counting time, let's set time aside for a minute, but let's just count space. We live in three dimensions. What would a universe look like if it was only two dimensional, completely flat?

Actually, physicists use this thought exercise a lot. They call it a flatland. But what if there was a two-dimensional universe that was totally flat? They had no up or down, no concept of it, no ability to move up or down, and the inhabitants of this universe are called flatlanders. This universe doesn't even have to be that big. It can just be, you know, right in front of you, like a one by one square or something. Now, what happens if you have these guys like floating in front of you, but what happens if you put your finger in flatland?

They're not going to see your whole finger. They're going to see a two-dimensional cross-section, the part that is invading their space. So they'll actually see a circle. Now, if I put two fingers in flatland, you know, right here, they're going to see two circles, and I can move those independently. And the flatlanders would assume that these are two different objects. but they're actually the same. Now, what's really weird is in particle physics, there's this quality that some particles have, electrons, for example,

where they can essentially split, and it's the same electron, these aren't two different electrons, same electron can split and then go back. So it makes me wonder if there's something extra-dimensional going on about particles. I mean, there was even an older idea. I think Richard Feynman came up with this, but where he thought that every electron was all the same electron. It's just able to move in and out of time in a way that we can't.

So if it goes forward and backward in time, we would see two electrons, but it's actually the same electron. So his idea was all photons are the same photon. All electrons are the same electron, and they've just been bouncing back and forth through time, you know, for however long. But so that's already a trippy thought. But if that were true, it would explain why every electron has the same exact value. Every photon has the same exact value. Maybe it is the same. I mean,

it's a trippy thought, but who knows? Isn't there's also a particle, right, that can essentially disappear and then reappear in a different space, in a different place, like in this, in this orbital rotation, right? Which people will talk about that being yeah, time travel. akin to that or akin to the idea of being able to, I don't know, like Star Trek beam to a different spot essentially in. Yeah, it's called quantum tunneling. And it's actually, it's a weird thing, but it's the only reason the sun even shines the way that it does without quantum tunneling, it wouldn't even work. But it's exactly what you said. So while a particle isn't a solid piece of matter, it's an energy spike, but it's also a probability. So that energy spike, when we try to measure it,

we can either tell how fast it's going or the location, but for some reason can't tell both. So even when you try to pinpoint the location, though, it's fuzzy. There's a probability. You know, maybe it'll be here, maybe it'll be here, maybe it'll be here. Now, what's really weird, though, is when you have that electron, let's say, okay, it's here, where's it going next? Maybe here, maybe here, maybe here, maybe here. And there's like thousands of different, you know, probabilities, probably billions. Well, let's say that there's a barrier right here that the electron cannot pass because the barrier

is a higher mass than the electron is impossible for the electron to pass it. There's no way to get through it. Well, sometimes it does. It quantum tunnels because the probability, that it might be over here, while the probability is lower, it's still probable. And sometimes it does show up there, which, I mean, it's called quantum tunneling, but it shouldn't be able to go through that barrier, but it pops out of existence and pops on the other side. So it's, it's really, really weird to think about, but that kind of stuff happens naturally in the quantum

realm. So it seems like there would be a way to have something like that, you know, on the more macro scale. And that would be like teleportation or something like that. But yeah, really weird stuff. Is that the same as like a wormhole or those different, different ideas? The idea, because those are dimension, does dimensional or is that, is that? Yeah. So wormholes are folding space. And the only way that wormholes work and the only way space can fold, which we know that it does, space absolutely folds. That's the way that gravity works. But the only way that it can fold and bend is if there's an extra dimension for it to bend into. Like say if I have, you know, this piece of cardboard, if there is no third dimension, I can't bend it. Because if I bend it,

it's bending into, you know, the third dimension. If there's no third dimension, it can't be bent. It'll stay flat forever. Well, we know that the space bends and curves and even time does that, which this is a trippy thought. Maybe there's extra dimensions of time. But so we know that. So a wormhole is the idea that you can manipulate kind of what's already happening. And in a sense, fold the space between two, like two points that has a large distance apart. You fold the space and, you know, kind of if you want to go from here to here, you just fold it and you're able to go there. I don't know how possible that is because, I mean, it would take more energy than what stars are doing. Stars themselves aren't going to that level.

I mean, maybe black holes do. But even that, we don't know for sure. And as far as we know, there's no way to travel through one and survive it. Here's something trippy. If you want, I can get into this. But actually, you would never reach the end of the black hole. The universe would end before. You would reach it and you would live to see it because for you, it would only be maybe a few hours,

which is really, really trippy. Man, this just reminds me of, yeah, we've heard some weird things on our show, Josh. Rodham Fritz Zimmerman, he talked about how these fairies, he thinks that the disappearance is going on in state and national parks. He says sometimes they even could come out 100 years later like they were gone five minutes, and then they come out of these places and there's, you know, 100 years go by. And then people have sailed through. Some people suggest that some of these pyramids and ancient places he could go through portals.

I mean, we get into all the weird stuff on our show. So we're giving you license to get as weird as possible. We're not scientists, so we don't really know how to discuss that stuff for very long. But there's some satanic rituals going around this. Are they opening portals? Is this all related to some of the people to come on show talk about end times and what they're really trying to do? They tell us, oh, yeah, it's this science experiment.

But really, it feels like some sort of satanic experiment. And that's kind of why everyone on our show is like, hey, you've got to talk about this. Like they're trying to open the abyss essentially is what people they hypothesize in this. Can I ask a couple really dumb questions about CERN? Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. So we talk, I mean, atomic theory, right, is a theory. We really can't see a lot of the electron microscope. Maybe we can see some really small things.

But when we're talking about these colliding these particles, like you're saying, you're seeing energy spikes. You're not really even seeing particles, correct? We can't see that small. Well, you can see the, well, I could say you can measure it. But yeah, you can't look at it and see it with your eyes. That's just, I don't under me trying to comprehend what they're actually doing. It makes more sense to think like, yeah, they're not actually like looking and saying, hey, there's the God particle, right?

This is a little one right there. They're actually just, they're measuring bursts of energy. And then each particle theoretically has its own subset of energy, right? So that when it's different, it's different. and that's something different. Yeah, it has different. Every particle has different properties, interacts with different things, so they're able to measure all of those things.

So what about, back to what Nate was saying, what about doing this in the quantum idea, do you think has to do with, or potentially it could have to do with opening a dimension or opening different dimensions? So they're actually trying to do this now, and they have been for years. And they've been on the record with it.

Their science director, leave his name was Sergio Bertolucci, went on record saying that they were looking for extra dimensions. They wanted to probe them, map them, explore them, and try to communicate with anything that might be on the other side. And there's a couple different ideas on how to actually do this. So at CERN, what they're hoping is that they can have access to these other dimensions. Maybe there's, for example, gravity. Gravity is one of the weaker of the forces, the weakest force, and there's a big question, why is it so weak? Well, there's now evidence suggesting that our gravity might be spilling into another dimension,

because gravity, specifically the graviton particle, has this unique ability to be able to not be hinged to our three dimensions. It can actually escape into other dimensions. Now, they haven't been able to actually find a graviton, like they haven't seen one or measured one, but there's a gravity field, so there has to be a gravity particle. But the idea is if they can discover the graviton and learn how to manipulate it,

They can send a message into another dimension by sending a line of particles and changing the spin or changing some quality one or the other. So it makes a binary message, zeros and ones basically, and send a string of that to another dimension. So that's kind of the technical idea and how they want to do this, or at least one idea on how they might. But that's just for communication. They actually want to travel there. Now, getting into the prophetic stuff, and I wrote about this in Abidon ascending, but we know in Revelation 9 at some point, this thing called the abyss is going to be opened up. Now, specifically in Revelation, an angel does that, but in the book, you know, I kind of put forth the idea, what if,

what if CERN did have something to do with it? Don't know if it does, but what if it did? And what if these, you know, the human beings are trying to communicate with extra-dimensional entities, which the only thing they're going to get, I mean, that's fallen angels. That's the only thing they're going to get. The good guys aren't going to, aren't going to mess around with that. Only the bad guys will. Well, what, If God finally says, okay, you know, you're not seeking me. You're seeking these things. I'm going to do the same thing I did at the Tower of Babel.

You know, you want these things. You can have them. And then opens the Abyss. And the Tower of Babel, it was, you know, you're worshipping all these false gods. You want them fine. And scattered them all around. And that's why we have all these different religions. So the idea might be kind of the same.

You know, you're trying to communicate with these things. Fine. I'll let you have what you want. You're not going to like it. Angel, go open that abyss. Then the abyss opens, possibly through the Cern experiment. or whatever. And what comes through are these horrible locust creatures that torment people on earth for five months. So that could be an example of, you know, something extra-dimensional being

opened up and introduced into our world. So there could be prophetic significance with CERN and what they're doing at the LHC. But even they have gone on record saying that they want to do that. They want to explore map extra dimensions and communicate with anything that might be over there. Yeah. Well, I mean, it reminds me of like, I've had like five or six people sent us the mock, sort of this mock sacrifice. That guy filmed the middle of the night. Have you seen that, Luke? No.

I'm sure you've seen it, Josh. There's, there's this guy. He's like in the window in this building right now. And they're out in the courtyard between in the buildings. They literally have these figures in robes. and then they had this little girl comes out and they do like a mock sacrifice right there. And this guy,

supposedly the guy that films this ends up dead. So there's weird. Yeah. This is a really weird stuff surrounding this. So, I mean, it feels like, you know, on the surface, there's this scientific narrative, but below is exactly what I think you're describing. Yeah, so we wrote about that in Abidon ascending.

Tom mainly wrote that part, but the conclusion that we drew from it is either it's some kids playing pranks. whatever or didn't look like that to me didn't look like that to me i i know i he we we kind of fall in in it looks like a what's called a parody so in in like alistair crowley and like all this magic stuff a parody can be just as powerful as the real thing if done in the right way or something and i think something like how many people see it has something to do with it adds to the power i i don't know so maybe that's why it went viral but the weird thing about that is i do believe that they There's 99% of the people at CERN, I think, are just scientists and are just wanting to learn about the universe.

But I do think that there's this 1% shadowy, who knows what, that that's kind of- Sounds like the Masons, right? Yeah, yeah, that's kind of controlling what happens or trying to at least steer it in a certain way. I couldn't really get a whole ton of information on that because, obviously, it's a little easier when it's something big like a country. You know, then it's a little easier to kind of find secret societies and stuff. when it's something small like a CERN organization, it's a little tougher. I mean, actually, everybody involved with CERN is huge. It's all over the globe, but the actual organization itself is pretty small.

So it's tough, but it was just a weird thing to hear their science director talk like that, knowing that, like, I've watched a bunch of physics lectures, and after a while you'd sort of just get how scientists talk. And most scientists would never say something. They wouldn't put it in that terms, in those terms. You know, they would try to be a little bit more technical about it or more real sounding about it, I guess. But the way that Sergio Bertolucci said, I mean, it was almost like, it was almost spiritualized. It's almost like we're going to try to communicate with things or, you know, we want to go into this other world and explore it. It's just, it's weird.

It's weird terminology. It's a weird way for a scientist to explain it. So it could have been all the marketing thing or, you know, maybe, maybe some of these people were showing their hand a little bit. I don't know. Interesting. So if you're out in the park, LARPing, Luke, watch out. Well, I do that a lot, actually. We use styrofoam swords, though, so it's really pretty safe.

You could go through some portal. If I walk through something, we'll just have to cancel the show. It's not a big deal. Or I'll let you trudge on, soldier on, without me. Suddenly you find yourself 800 years ago in Scotland fighting for your freedom. Right, and I'd be like, man, I brought the wrong weapon in this fight. Josh had a couple questions, too, about some of the, because we know the, Nate and I've talked about the occult.

And a lot of what the occult does, whether it be the masons we just mentioned, or Crowley or whoever, right? Even in the mystery religion stuff, the symbolism is huge for them, right? And so I know there's a lot of like beast destroyer symbolism that comes with CERN. And then there's also some relation to what like, when you talk about in the book,

the horned god, can you talk through a little bit of that? Because I think that in of itself, you kind of just touched on, you know, the president or whoever leads this thing really using like platitudal spiritual, you know, language. Oh yeah. But like they actually are like putting it.

It almost seems overt in some way. and what they're doing and it's it just it falls right in line right it falls right in line Nate and I had an episode we talked about Astro World and Travis Scott and all the weird stuff that all the imagery that was just right there and right in your face and I tell you it's not what it is but it really is what it is and what

can you talk a little bit about about that it was CERN because I know I see that stuff on social media and you're like yeah there's three sixes in this CERN logo well well that that is actually just the the sinker Tom that's that's just the design of the thing but I will say though, the imagery thing is real. There's a huge statue of Shiva doing this cosmic dance to

destroy the universe. This big statue is right outside of the CERN of the lab. So, I mean, there is this imagery. It was given as a gift. But in the story, Shiva like destroys the universe and creates a new one. So if you think about that, if all these false gods are just fallen angels, this is some fallen angel trying to take credit for what God is going to do after the millennium in creation of new heavens and new earth. But this fallen angel apparently is trying to bring that in now. Now what's weird is there is a scenario called the Higgs field doomsday. And the idea is with the Higgs field because it is different than every other field. So every other field, when nothing is happening, it sits at zero. You know, nothing's happening. No energy, zero. The Higgs field is different. There's no

part of it that's at zero. So the idea is because the Higgs field is on this razor thin edge of an energy scale where if it was a little bit too little, everything falls apart, a little bit too much, everything becomes a black hole. It's on this like thin razor edge. So the idea is that somewhere in the universe at some point, a fluctuation could happen, a fluctuation in the Higgs field that's a little too high. And all of a sudden that the Higgs field would go into a higher energy scale. And so this bubble would start, it would expand at the speed of light. And inside the bubble, the Higgs field is even more intense. It's stronger. So gravity in a sense would be stronger. Mass is stronger. Everything turns into black holes and that expands over the universe.

And the whole universe basically is destroyed and it's a true vacuum. There is literally nothing. Well, I've heard physicists talk about that. And so I've wondered, now I don't think that that's actually going to happen, but what if like a small scale version of that or something similar where CERN is literally creating these energy spikes? Now, at the moment, unless they've made some advancements in the past couple of years that I'm not aware of, but at the moment, I believe that the LHC is not any stronger than cosmic waves coming into our atmosphere. So that happens all the time and that's not really doing anything. If it's that, then that's the Higgs field thing probably isn't going to happen at least here could happen anywhere. But if they, and if they advance the

energy output, which they're doing, they're building other particle colliders around the world. I think there's one going up in China and Japan, which is supposed to be bigger. Could something be powerful enough to create something like the Higgsfield Dooms Day scenario? And I don't know, but at the same time, I don't, I don't, I'm not confident that all the physicists know either because it's never really been done before. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, it's sort opening Pandora's box, literally, and you don't. And you wonder, how safe is this? I mean, some of these guys in these buildings are just doing this, and they don't even

thinking about what if they succeed? What if something does open up? It just seems like a very crazy gamble, in my opinion. And some of the, I know we could talk about CERN for a long time, but I think one of the things we talk about a lot on our show, and I think it might relate is, and I've read some things you've written, and sort of how we talk a lot on our show of how these entities, these angels kind of came into our dimension, our space, and were able to mate with women and create this offspring of the giants,

which spawned all kinds of weird creatures, which is kind of where our show lives. And I think there's some sort of quantum discussion there that I love to have because it's hard to people just, especially modern-day Christians, when you try to explain them in this Genesis 6 scenario. And we've had Tim Alberino on and he really broke it down and it was great. and he really puts it in layman's terms. But the quantum part of it is just fascinating to me.

And I think we're there, Luke. I think that's kind of where we're out. I'd love to kind of dive into that a little bit of like some different thoughts you have about specifically these two kind of colliding. Hey, look at that. Yeah. So I believe that, you know, angels are probably extra dimensional beings. But in Jude, it says that when when the angels fell, they left their first habitation and estate.

And when you look into the Greek in that, if I got those words right, when you look into the Greek in that, what it really boils down to is not only did they leave their home, their heavenly home, but they also left their bodies, their temples, their tents. You know, the Bible has a bunch of words for it, but they left their bodies. And I think that's their extra dimensionality. So I think they became three-dimensional beings, but that doesn't mean that they were human. You know, they didn't become human. They just became three-dimensional beings. So they were still, in a sense, angels and still had abilities that we wouldn't have. But they needed a body to be able to operate in our world.

And apparently that's something they can do. I mean, think about the whole flatland scenario again. If I wanted to actually go into flatland and communicate with flatland beings, and I can't really do that as a three-dimensional being. You know, I might be able to like shout at them, you know, and they can hear me. Kind of like how sometimes God has talked to prophets and stuff before. I can do that, but to be in bodily form, I would need access to a two-dimensional body, which either my current body would either have to have the ability to do that,

or I would have to have the ability to transfer my spirit into some other vessel in another dimension. And we don't have anything close to that ability. So it's not that the angels became humans or anything, but apparently extra-dimensional beings have that ability, but getting back. I think once they make that trip, it's done. Once they make that trip. Because, like, we can't really go there. I mean, not without great difficulty, you know.

And even if we could go to, like, say, the fourth spatial dimension, we wouldn't be able to process it. Everything would look so weird. We would process it with a three-dimensional understanding in our brain. All we would see, we would see a bunch of just shapes, like changing shapes. Do you think that's why the prophets described their visions being in heaven? with these creatures that look like that and weird shapes and eyes and stuff like that? Possibly. I mean, I think that there's spiritual significance to all that too. But yeah,

I mean, I do think that he literally saw those. I think that at least to him, the angels literally looked like that. But that's a good question because think about this. In Ezekiel, Ezekiel, the angels come to him. They're all connected and they're all kind of like this one thing with many pets. And it says like their legs come down into one hoof and their wings are joined together. Now we see the same exact creatures in Revelation, but this time the angels aren't coming to the prophet. They're not coming to John like they did with Ezekiel. This time John is caught up and he's able to go up and see them. Well, now they're all melded together.

They still look weird, but they're not, you know, they're not like melded together. There's actually a term called extradimensional unfolding. And the way it works, to try to make it real simple, think about a cube. Now, if I wanted to show a flatlander, a cube, if I put the cube in flatlander, they're only going to see a square. Well, what if I wanted to give the flatlanders the most amount of information about this cube as possible? I could unfold it and make it into a two-dimensional thing. And then they could look at it and they could see that it's, you know, actually it would look like a cross. But what if I wanted to go another dimension?

Let's say I had a four-dimensional cube, which is called a tesseract. If you unfold that into our dimension, it looks like a, it's a cross made out of cubes with two extra arms. Now, what if I wanted to take that object? Actually, that's called the Tesseract. A hypercube is the four-dimensional cube. But what if I wanted to take that Tessaract? What if I wanted to show that to Flatlanders? Well, I still could unfold it, but now some of those panels are going to overlap other panels.

And the Flatlanders are going to start to see some of these pieces meld together because it's just too complicated to fully. represent in a two-dimensional surface like that. I think that's probably what was going on with Ezekiel. I think that's why those angels appeared like that. I think that they were at least two dimensions, two spatial dimensions removed from Ezekiel, because I think that's how much it takes at least before you get that merging effect. But that explains why when John went to heaven and saw the angels there, they weren't disconnected. He was actually able to see them in their own habitat. Now he still, he still has a three-dimensional perspective because he wasn't dead. He wasn't glorified. You know, he was out of the body so you can see things a little clearer, but, but his mind is

still processing it in a three-dimensional capacity. So he's still able to explain to us what he's seeing. If, if it wasn't, like if, if God did not limit his perception to three dimensions and he actually saw fourth dimensional, there would be no way he'd be able to really explain it to us. We wouldn't understand. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's complicated. It makes my head. hurt though you're like dude how do you you're unfolding and unfolding unfolding you think like well it reminds you what tim mackie was talking about we just had tim ackey from the bible project on he was talking about how Isaiah and ezekiel had different sort of visions and what they saw in heaven and and i and i wondered if it was related to kind of what you were saying it's kind of like a crumbled up piece of paper with the

drawing on it you're going to see everything's just not fully but when you flatten it out then oh he drew yeah that's a good way to look at it yeah you just see this jumbled mess but if but if you speak that language you can see through all all of those things, and it's a clearer message and a clear creature to you, but it's not. So who knows? It's hard to know where to go from here, but you were saying sort of, and we talk about this with ancient giants, that when they come into sort of our realm, they don't leave their heavenly estate, but, you know, because obviously the Biss is going to open, these are the angels

that sin, but they sort of did leave something in heaven to come into our realm to mate with women, to create the chaos that happened in the Genesis 6th story. Yeah, they left something. And I think the way that God has this set up is, I think it's really easy for them to visit here. I mean, even good angels will do that. You know, I mean, if God has a message that he wants to send somebody, he'll send an angel and an angel can visit here. But I think to actually inhabit it and to actually be a three-dimensional creature like in this world, like to be in this world like that. I think they have to leave something behind. And I don't know. exactly what that is or how that works, but,

but again, like, it would be a lot easier for me, not as a flatlander, but just as a three-dimensional being to enter flatland. I just, I don't even need a portal. I can just put my finger in it, you know? I assume it's that easy for them to get here, too. Like, how about when the angels walk into Sodom?

People know they're not human. Like, I mean, they know they're different, right? They look different. And yet they look like us. And so there's, but those are, those are the good guys somehow coming here in inhabiting this, this dimension or realm in a way that we, we recognize as like us, but not us. And yet, I mean, that's a different situation than the ones that fell and then left whatever it was. And they left their habitation behind because we would assume these ones return because they're doing

God's bidding, right? That part makes my brain hurt, thinking about how. It's kind of like they walked, it's kind of like they walked off the field of the dreams and they can't go back on it now, right? Like they, so you're asking if the watchers could go back? Is that kind of what you're asking, Luke? Not just like how that happens. Maybe my bigger question, the question is like the, is the interaction of what the ancients

thought were realms, right? And there's all these things we don't see, according to Paul, that happen around us, whether it be in the spiritual realm and all that stuff. And maybe connecting these two thoughts, what I need help with is connecting the spiritual realm thought that like there are these things we can't see that are interacting that are around us. Oh, okay. With the dimension idea that somehow these things are separate but interact.

And then also I would assume that maybe what I'm trying to say is that I would assume there are rules that govern this. And so because God is the God of the universe who sets these things into motion. But the idea that like, yeah, the watchers came and then they weren't, they couldn't go back. And yet. Yeah, I think basically it's the difference between putting a finger in flatland and then chopping your finger off and leaving it in flatland. And they can walk around. Yeah, yeah. So like if God designed, like, okay, if there was a two-dimensional universe with two-dimensional beings that God wanted us to communicate with at some point, he would give us the ability to do that.

So let's say, I mean, this is ridiculous, but let's say just hypothetically that we have a two-dimensional cross-section of our finger that we can actually talk out of and communicate in a two-dimensional way. We can experience the two-dimensional world. We can see things through it. You know, let's say we had a part of our body that's like that. So we could just put our finger in flat land and then just start talking to them through that two-dimensional part that God gave us. I kind of think that's what angels are doing. I think that what we see is just a part of the whole. But I think it's still a body that it's connected to their whole being, but it's something that they can use to navigate the world that we live in.

Now, the difference would be if I just severed that connection and, again, cut my finger off and all my essence was now just, in that two-dimensional slice. Well, I'm still me, but I'm a lot less than me. You know, I'm not a flatlander, but I'm not exactly, you know, human, at least not completely human. I'm not a complete human anymore. I would still be completely human, but not a complete human. I'm missing pieces.

Well, you would have all of your knowledge and all of your power, but it would be in a space where, yeah, it's now confined. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Josh, this brings you up a question I've never really thought about how much, So, I mean, if you think about this as Christ, the Son of God, giving up all these access to these dimensions to become human, how much does Christ give up to become human?

How human was he? 100%. In my opinion, that is not like any kind of angel type situation where there's an extra dimensional body. I don't think that's, I believe that in order for Christ to fulfill everything that he came to fulfill, he had to be 100% human just like we are. because again, well, and you talk to Tim, so you know this, the enemy usurped humans' authority. So a human has to be the one to reset that, but it's also got to be God.

And the whole thing, I mean, the whole thing is brilliant. I mean, I don't fully understand the Trinity, but, and nobody does. Again, it's one of those, like I can't see the fourth dimension. The Trinity is like infinitely higher than that. But it operates in a way that it allows, it's God is able to be fully human yet still fully God yet he in a sense and well the Bible says he emptied himself so to be one of us but he's still God and that connection you know to the Trinity is never broken so it's it's a totally different situation that I can't because I can't conceptualize the Trinity really I understand things

about it just like well just like the rest of us but conceptualize it like just like I can't conceptualize a four dimensional cube so because of that it's hard to it's hard to really know the mechanics of everything that's going on there. But I really do believe absolutely that Christ was 100% human, also 100% God, but he became human so he could fulfill everything that a member of our species is supposed to fulfill in order to, well, get our authority back, basically. Yeah, because I mean, you think about it in the sense that he gets, he gets famished in the wilderness, you know? Yeah. He experiences all the suffering. He experiences this the lack of the depletion. of what it would be like to be a human being and to travel and to walk and to have all that on your back.

But also at the same time, he's able to manipulate time and space here and perform miracles and do things that we don't know how to do and we don't know how to do and we don't understand. And it's just this interesting. I never thought about giving up dimensional power, like having this ability to see things. You always just kind of assumed as a kid that like Jesus, no, he retained all that, right? He came down here and it was pretty easy for him. right no it wasn't it's just insane to think about what he gives up to become human being and and walk among us just real quick isn't it crazy that before he created anything he knew that he was going to have to do that and he didn't have to create anything nobody was making him he's god right

but he still chose to do it because he loved us that much isn't that amazing it's crazy yeah yeah well i mean the the chaos of of our world it's so unpredictable and heiser kind of came on our show and talked about how, you know, oftentimes, you know, God would sort of tell his prophets what was going to happen, but humans still have the ability to make the decision. So it really creates this random element into the chaos that happens in our world. And that really gets my mind going of how God can play the chess game with us. We still get to move the pieces, but he knows, but he doesn't move the pieces for us. It's just a, it's a, it's a, it's a, dude, now you're going to get the predestination and,

all the yeah right that's where time comes in that's why really for us time is a gift time is an absolute gift i mean without time we would be under instant judgment you know i mean we wouldn't have time to to learn and grow and get better and learn to grow in our faith and all of that stuff so i mean that that's where in a sense time i mean the way that i kind of understand this god's everywhere all at once in all places in time you know he's he's everywhere he's aware of everything i think probably to God, it's all continuous like it is for us, but it's also all one big thing. But he can interject himself into time however he wants. But he knows the choices that we're going to make. But because we are in time and we have limited knowledge, which is a gift,

that gives us the ability to actually choose. Just because God knows what I'm going to do doesn't mean that I don't have any control over that. I don't know what I'm going to do. From my perspective, I could do this thing or that thing. God knows what I'm going to do. but he's not making me make that decision. So it's because I'm within time and he has, you know, he's got a much larger perspective than I do that I'm able to make those decisions of my own free will. Yet he still knows what I'm going to do.

I mean, don't you think interesting in this, in this Josh is that like if we didn't really make a decision, we'd be these robots and robots don't have the ability to love something because they can't choose, right? And so then there's this whole, I mean, it's not a very theological conversation, but at the same time, it's like, the choosing is the loving and God gave us that ability because he loved us.

You know, it's like an inception level mind grenade to think about all that too. Well, you have to watch inception. You have to watch Interstellar. Right. It's like, well, the choice inside the choice inside the choice. Build the dreams. We got a long list of movies you have to watch tonight, right?

So Josh, I mean, so maybe my line of logic here is that like, so, and we just talked about this with, we talked about it with Tim a little while ago. And we talked about it with Tim Mackey recently. is just this, if Adam leaves Eden comes down to Earth, is it like the angels in Genesis 6 where they leave their estate? They can't go back because Adam can't go back to Eden. There's this relationship between heaven and earth and we forfeit that. We can't go back. We lose our ability. Is Adam losing that dimensional glasses? And that's...

You know, I used to think that, but the way that I'm thinking more now, I think Adam was perfectly human in the sense that we are just without a sin nature and without entropy and our bodies degrading and all this stuff. But I think he was basically what humans are supposed to be, the original plan. So I don't know if God originally put that separation between dimensions or not. So it wouldn't be that, I don't think it would be that Adam would have like an extra ability that we humans don't have. I just think that maybe the separation wasn't. there. So it's not an ability for Adam. It's just, is the separation there or not. And so I think that separation is part of the curse. You know, I mean, it's, like I said, I think we're kind of in a quarantine

type situation. So when he left Eden, he was commanded to because he sinned. The place that he was in, he wasn't allowed, he can't have sin there. He had to leave because God created these perfect conditions for these people and they still rebelled. So now they had to go out into the outside world. But again, God's going to restore all of that in the future. be restored. Now, what I wonder, we're going to be in glorified bodies that seem to have, I mean, from our perspective, extra abilities, maybe it's just that we have less abilities. That's probably what it is. But if, if looking at what Christ was able to do in his glorified body is any indication of what we can do, and I don't know for sure if it is, because that's Jesus.

In Jesus earthly ministry, he can do a whole bunch of stuff. I can't do. So there's probably, there's probably some different. But he does say, he does say to his disciples, you're going to do greater things, right? And so he does say that we will have the ability, which is really strange. Like, wait, how can we do greater things than, I don't know, I don't know how theologically you interpret that, but it seems to suggest that we do have that ability. We just... Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I think, like, when we're glorified, everything's restored, you know, at that point, it'll make sense, but... looking at it from this side, it seems like we're given all these extra abilities.

It's probably just a restoration of what human beings were supposed to be before the curse. So that's kind of just how I'm thinking about it now. But yeah, weird to think about it. Yeah, it's complicated. So I mean, is CERN, so these angels that sin, they get locked up in the abyss. And you think CERN might play a part and their return? It could be. Yeah, it could be.

So in Abidon ascending, I wrote about how. A scenario could play out where CERN is involved or maybe some other particle collider because, again, they're building bigger and, well, I guess better, but they're building bigger and more powerful ones in other parts of the world. So it could be one of the other ones. But, or it might not be that at all. It could just be during that time, the sin of humanity is so great that it's time for the amista open, you know, and maybe it has nothing to do with technology whatsoever. But I think if human beings play any role in that, it just seems like it would have. have to be something like a particle collider or some crazy technological thing. I mean, do you think the metaverse and all the digital stuff they're creating now is related to any of this? Like, are they trying to put us into some sort of dimension? Yeah, I think what it, I think what the whole metaverse thing shows is that people really want to worship themselves and be their own gods, create their own worlds, instead of live in the world that God created for us and learn how to make this the best that we can.

let's give up that and let's just start from scratch and start this brand new one. So for those not familiar, the whole idea of the metaverse is just like augmented reality. It's like a virtual world. You put some glasses on. You can, you know, you can see the world around you, but things are augmented, things are added. Or maybe it's just a whole new environment altogether. You're still in the world, but you're seeing this other world, which is weird. It's like, is your consciousness then rooted to this made up world or is it rooted to the real world and just

experiencing. So there's all this stuff to think about. But what I think it shows is that a lot of people would rather live in a world of their own making than learn how to get by and make the most out of what God has given us. So I think it's going to depress a lot of people like social media already has. I think it's going to increase that a lot more because this whole self-godhood stuff, it's not fulfilling. I mean, it's like cancer. It's like having a diet of nothing but sugar. You know, you're technically filling your stomach, but you're not, you're not, there's no nutrition there. But when you, when you don't serve yourself and you serve God, that's like grilling up a steak. Now you're actually getting nourished. And so I think the whole Metaverse

idea, there's probably going to be some good applications with it. You know, we can, you know, thinking about evangelism, we'll be able to have an easier time connecting with people on the other side of the world, kind of in a more one-to-one scenario. But it's hard to tell right now because I don't know how, I don't know exactly all of the plans of the Metaverse or what they're planning to do with it or what the capabilities will be. I imagine, since it's a Facebook thing, I don't know how easy evangelism will be in that kind of world. You know,

I know basically right now on Facebook, even though there's all this censorship stuff, which I mean, I'm sure you guys have been hit with it. I've been hit with it. I can still fairly easily get a hold of somebody in Asia, if I want, and witness to them,

you know, through a messenger or whatever. So I don't know how much more clamped down that kind of stuff is going to be in the metaverse, but I imagine that there will be some, like the internet. There's some good things that can come out of it. We can spread the gospel a lot easier for sure. But there's a lot of bad things. I mean, a pornography, just the porn industry has perpetuated so much child rape. Even in this country, America's like one of the worst countries

for child sex trafficking. So with the metaverse, there's going to be even more bad stuff like that. So it will, it's one of those things we'll have to see when we get there. I know I'm very cautious about it and I do not plan on using it until it's, really well known and I can get a sense. Just like the internet, it took me years to really start using that because, well, when I was growing up, it was like brand new. But, yeah, it's because I didn't understand it. I didn't know if I posted something.

Is it really out there forever? So, you know, I had to take a few years to really get to know it before I could see the positive applications of it. So I assume it would be the same for the metaverse. But right now, the way that it's looking, I don't, I don't really see anything good in it. the only thing it seems to do is because we have technology where we can connect with people now.

And I don't know. I mean, like you, I mean, we are talking right now in this Zoom thing. We can see each other's faces. This is like a made up cartoon world where we would be little like emojis talking to each other. I mean, in a way, it's worse. I'd rather do this. It just seems like a, it just seems like a,

another distraction or deception. I think you made a good point. Like a, the world's messaging continues to be like self, love like love yourself and do all this stuff when when the message of the Bible is is to die to die to yourself the Christ might live and I think the further we get down to this self-idolatry you're right it becomes this whole space of create what you want and you know you know speak your truth it's the it's the abolition of absolutes and also really the abolition of like reality in a lot

of ways right you're kind of creating this own reality it just feels like yet another distraction whether it be the phones we have. And I think you make a good point, though. These are tools, but oftentimes I think they lopsidly work on the evil side as opposed to the good side. Well, it seems like they get hijacked. And I think, you know, like you were saying earlier with CERN, like 99% of the scientists are just doing science.

But it's just the people at the top, the people in the institution that have given themselves over are the ones who kind of hijack all these systems. And I don't know if they were related. I appreciate you be able to take like a shotgun question. you've been all over the place. Like, oh yeah, no problem. Nate, to me it's like the world economic forum kind of thing where you have this whole, this whole like top, top group that, you know, all the systems that are in place are

are meant to be for good things to, you know, to protect freedoms and protect liberties and stuff. But this stuff gets hijacked by a small percentage for the things that are nefarious. But it's all very biblical, right? We go back and we open it up and say this may all make sense. This is all supposed to happen, right? Like, this is, there shouldn't be a whole lot of surprises like Solomon. We say almost every episode. There's nothing new to the sun.

There are, and there's no new deceptions. They just get wrapped just a little bit differently and sold to you as something that's different. And yet it's not. Yeah. Well, I guess one of my last questions, Josh would be like, did they open up things like Surn back in the day? Did the creatures come out of some place? Because that's my thought. My mind just thinks imaginative like, it's like stranger things.

You know, you have this, you open this hole and these demonic creatures come out. And we hear about these crazy things that walked land at Earth back in the day. day. That's kind of what our show's built around. And Bigfoot seems like one of those creatures that seems to have come out of some sort of portal or something survives the flood. And we're constantly trying to figure it out because, you know, you go on a lot of these shows and people talk about crazy crypticic and they don't have any spiritual answers for these creatures that are sound demonic. And what we're trying to unpack on the show and figure those things out is, did these angels manipulate animals? Did they come out of portals? What are some of your thoughts of the origin of some of these

creatures that feel like they shouldn't be here? Yeah, I think that there are a lot more fallen angels and demons than probably we expect. I mean, when you even really just think about the amount of people in the world, in the world, I can't get my head around a number like $7 billion, $8 billion. That's a lot. Imagine how much more, you know, other creatures, fallen angels, demons, whatever, or other creatures that would want to harm humanity. And so I think there's probably a lot of that kind of stuff. I think demons can definitely take on different forms, you know, familiar spirit, stuff like that.

It seems like fallen angels can too. So I think that there's this whole satanic, spiritual satanic government over the world. It's kind of set up like ours. I think it's a governmental system. I don't think they all play nice together because they're evil. We shouldn't expect them to. And, you know, even Jesus said, you know,

the house will fall. if one stands against another, I don't have the exact quote. But eventually this kingdom is going to fall. And that's something I've wondered about for a while too. Do they actually all fall in line? Do they all get along? Because there are times where it seems like one, like one, like when we see clashes of religions and stuff, I mean, if there's a spiritual thing going on behind that,

it's like one false God wants to usurp the power of another false God and they battle and then that somehow results in like a war on earth. And then one of them went, I don't know how all of that. that works, but it does seem like there's some actual governmental structure on the dark side that they at least loosely adhere to. So within all of that, there would be officials, there would be leaders, but there would also be the citizens, which is probably the demons or something. And I think that there's quite a bit of those, but, you know, when we talk about fairies or Bigfoot or all these mythical creatures, I don't see any reason why if they're not like a natural like creature that's

on the earth, you know, why couldn't a demon manifest like that? Why couldn't have fallen angel? look, I mean, we see what angels look like in the Bible. They don't necessarily look human when they're in their natural form. So can they shape shift? Can they look like other things? Could fallen ones use that power to deceive people or to mess with us? You know, if they can, why wouldn't they? You know, we should expect that. So, you know, that all might fall in line, but it's a big question. Well, what do you guys think? Yeah. Well, I mean, the Bigfoot thing is what kind of wrote me into the whole Genesis 6 narrative, the whole story of the Nephom. I grew up in the church. I just didn't have any concept of these things. And it didn't have any understanding of cataclysms or the weird stuff in the Bible. So in a weird way, Bigfoot kind of opened my mind to reading the Bible in the way that I think it was written, to be honest. I think it's a book of spiritual warfare. Yes. Whatever way we read it now, I don't know. It's like, no, you have to get your mind into that spiritual warfare phase so you can understand what's going on. And human beings are so limited

in the way we think about those things. But Bigfoot is just this, it's this gateway drug into understanding that, you know, the world as we see it, as a modern day, just everything's physical. We don't know anything supernatural, spiritual. We can't talk about these things. It really throws a wrench into all that. And then you sort of go down that rabbit hole and good luck. I don't know. Bigfoot has this physicality, but then this weird spiritual stuff too, disappears, reappears, time slippage. People feel like they go through into some sort of like they can't move, they can't see. So many weird. things are attached it. It's not just like seeing a cougar in the woods, you know, or a bear.

It's something completely different. Well, the good thing is it doesn't have to be completely unknown and spiritualized and like to the point that it's so abstract, we can't even. I think that if extra dimensions have to exist just because, again, things in time can be bent. If there's, if there's no other dimension of time, then how, what is it bending into? And same with, same with space. So if there are extra. dimensions and they're real, they're not physical in the sense that like the world is physical. Like, you know, a two-dimensional creature, they would say that their world is physical. They would say ours is like super physical or something.

So we could think of it like that. There's could be like super physical. It's not the same as ours, but there's still enough of a similarity. If extra dimensions exist, especially extra dimensions of time and space, and if these creatures exist, then, I mean, it explains all of it. All the teleportation stuff, the weird time things, all the, and why across. all of these different phenomenon, whether it's Bigfoot stuff or aliens or fairies or whatever people see, it's the same symptoms. There's like lost time, time slows down, or they're in this

realm that they can't see anything. And it really does sound like some of them, some of them don't just sound like an acid trip. I mean, some of them really sound like if I were to step into the fourth dimension right now, this is what it would look like. Because I can't perceive a four-dimensional object. I can only see it in three-dimensional sections. So, like, I mean, it would kind of look like an acid trip, but it wouldn't be like this mind-altering, abstract, spiritual thing. I mean, it would be physical in a sense, but you're just not able to perceive all of it. So the good thing is if extra dimensions exist, I believe they do. If these creatures exist, you know, fallen angels, demons, and I believe they do, then it explains all of it. It explains how they're

able to do this stuff. And it explains it in a way that while we don't, you know, we can't really get her heads around. At least we can understand to a point like, okay, there's an explanation out there. That at least makes sense. And the great thing, it involves God. So even better for us. I think, I think my thought is it falls in that chimera kind of space of maybe some sort of half, half breed. Oh yeah. Yeah. This, half that. And I think that's the best, the best thought I've had about it based on what we've heard. Oh yeah, because a fallen angel, again, they're not a full angel, but they're not human either. So they would still have abilities that humans wouldn't have. Well, if one of those mates with a human,

you know, of course, the Nethelum offspring should have at least some abilities, half of what the fallen angel would have. And I think that's why we get all these stories about these mythical creatures, these gods, and they have all these powers. But somehow they still die and they're buried. Like, I think like Zeus has a graven crete or something. So it's like, how is that a god? That doesn't make sense. But if the whole Nephilim thing is what's happening, it would explain why some of these people or these creatures had more powers, why they were worshipped as gods, but also why they still die. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we talked to Brian Forrester about that when he talks about some of these skulls of the ancients that weren't as big as some of the original giants, supposedly.

But they were anomalies, 30, 40% bigger. So it seems like, I don't know, Luke, I don't know where you are on this, but it seems. It seems like there's this angelic DNA that started very concentrated. And then it slowly is just bred out of the population. Well, yeah. It's like the Xeroxian. We talked about it with like why, you know, why we have all the,

all the problems we have as modern day humans is that there's just a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. Right. And so I think the same thing, Nate, is it continued to be diluted and characteristics of, you know, of the angelic DNA. I don't know. You've got red hair. You probably got some, pal.

I think maybe maybe well Josh we appreciate it man we yeah this has been fun we don't get many answers on this show we just get more more questions but we love it yeah

yeah it's it's great man it makes my head hurt because I think like sometimes we have to think about these things in ways that we can try to try to grasp them right like and that's the other thing to try to describe things that exist on this in these crazy planes of

existence in terms that we can under we can grasp onto is also very difficult It is akin to, like we talk about John and Ezekiel, trying to describe the things they see. You know, and none of there's prophetic iconography that's mixed in there, but they're still trying to describe these. You level up a dimension trying to explain the things from a flatlander to a third. You know, you have these, which I think are very practical ways to think about it. It just also is, you know, there's more questions now. Yeah, and isn't it cool that we're created in a way where it's fun to have those questions.

You know, the discovery, like just the journey of discovery is a lot of fun. And I always find that interesting that we're actually created to find that interesting. I mean, I guess some people that drives them crazy. But at least for me, I mean, that to me is so much fun and fulfilling. And it's like, if I'm created for anything, it's that. But yeah, so that's really cool. I totally agree with you. Yeah, yeah, the curiosity.

I mean, that's what our whole show is. It's just trying to look at all the weird stuff in the Bible and give people kind of the keys and permission to understand the stories that their youth pastor or their pastor, or their pastor just wrote off. I mean, I mean, I hadn't heard. I didn't hear from Genesis 6 until I was like 36 years old. So, like spent decades in the church and no one talked about this. So it's a real problem.

Josh, last, last thought. Yeah. Do you believe that this, and this is maybe a good last thought, Nate, do you believe that this, the firing up again and whatever they may be doing on sort of this macro level, especially we talk about building them and China stuff? Do you think this has to do with a quickening unto the end? Like, do you think these things are correlated? Then maybe that'd be the last thing I want to think about.

Yeah. That's less of a scientific technical question and more of like a they just, they just turned it on again. Yeah, they just turned it on again. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think not even, I think that's one example of like a larger thing. I think just the explosion and technology alone is a sign that we're getting close to something. We live in a world right now. It's normal to us, but if you look at the rest of human history, it is so weird. Like, we've never lived in a time like this. But yet we always had the ability to. Like, the Greeks could have had an industrial revolution. There's really no reason that they couldn't have done that, you know,

that we've always had the ability to yet for some reason in our time, all of this technology just starts exploding in like what, 100, I was like the last 100 years. You went from like the Wright brothers to stealth bombers. And I mean, like, in 100, which is crazy. Yeah. So I think that alone is a sign that we have got to be living in some unique time.

And the next unique time to come, at least in my opinion, in the Bible is all this prophetic stuff that we see in Revelation. And so I think that it's, I think it's one small example of a larger kind of sign that we're living somewhere. But as far as a direct correlation, I think it could have something to do with that. If they are successful to opening another dimension, I believe that that is the same as, oh, somebody in the ancient past trying to communicate with a false God. I mean, how is it really different?

they're not seeking God. They're not seeking, well, if there are creatures out there who made those creatures, they're just seeking what's greater than us that's accessible right now, you know, that maybe we don't have to be held accountable to them. Because with God, you've got to be held accountable to them, you know, with, say, aliens or these extra-dimensional creatures, maybe they won't care. So I think that that's kind of why the motivation to pursue those things is there in some people. But yeah, I think it could have a direct role,

but at the very least, the fact that we can even do this today is amazing and that it's increasing so fast. See, I think, I personally, I think time's short. Well, that's, that's kind of what I was, I just had a thought when you were saying all that increasing so fast is that it seems like from the golden age was this concentrated technology was held in the arms of the angels specifically and their offspring. And then they sort of breed it out. But it seems like now human beings, is technology is increasing quickly. And if the days of Noah would be these entities return, if they could sort of hijack our tech with their tech,

it would be just a recipe for Armageddon. Because in the ancient world, it sounded like the angels were the ones who really held the technology. But now over the course of 3,000 years, humans have been able to just, now our technology is increasing at a rate that we can't even keep up with. Like, you know, guys like Elon Musk are saying,

AI is a problem. it's going to become a problem. Like we've created something that, but it doesn't feel like angels are created. That's not angel tech. That's human technology. You know what I'm saying? There's a,

yeah, I don't know if that. I think probably what's happening is, is fallen angels might be inspiring some of these ideas. Okay. But ultimately humans are going to be, you know, the vessel that decides like how it's going to manifest in our world,

how it's going to work, what it's going to do, how it's going to be used. But that is, that is a good, that is kind of an interesting thought. could it be that because time is getting short, maybe, you know, the veil's a little thinner. And maybe now these fallen angels are actually able to inspire human beings a little more than they were able to before.

So maybe that's why now we have this explosion. So, you know, it's not so much that humans are getting smarter. I think that we've always, if anything, we're getting worse. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's just entropy. So we should expect that. It sounds like, you know, some of the technology they had in the days of like, you know, when they built the pyramids and they, it sounds like some guys say they had some sort of electricity, but they didn't have wires. You know, they didn't need copper wires.

They could send it through the universe. They could levitate stones. They had, they didn't need to build iPhones. They could, they had an iPhone in their head. They could just talk to you, you know. I think that technology existed in just a completely different mechanism. It didn't need robotics and electronics. Right.

Well, if you think about it, that was a totally different world, too. Magic stuff happened a lot more. You see that with Moses, and this opens a whole can of worms. Sure. but you got me on it now. So you see actual real magic things happen. And then what's really interesting, it's not explicitly said in the Bible, but when you look at church history, like for the first couple hundred years, there are actual reports of like Apollo being channeled through this medium that actually is in presence of a Christian that admits he has to admit because the Holy

Spirit is present. He has to admit that he's a demon and that he doesn't really have any power and that all these fallen angels, demons are lying to people. Oh, and that was from that Oracle, apparently, that was the last words of Apollo. I wrote about it in a lost prophecies of Qumran. Derek Gilbert's written about it too. But as you see Christianity progress, you see these magic abilities that people had diminish.

And it got so bad that the solution for different leaders and stuff. They just said, well, let's just kill all the Christians then. You know, if our magic isn't working, let's just kill all the Christians. And that didn't work. That actually just spread Christianity even further. It's like trying to beat out a fire and the fire's just spreading all over the place. But so now it's kind of everywhere. And I think because of that, we have the, I think it's the restraining of the Holy Spirit.

I think that's what it is. When that restrainer is removed, however people want to interpret that, but I think when that's removed, this whole Old Testament world where magic things are possible again, I believe that that's going to come back. And I think that's why in Revelation, it says they repented not of their sorceries and their witchcraft. And I think it's going to be a totally different world again where these things are actually possible. But right here in our world, because there is this restraining, I think that, you know, the agents of darkness have to use what they have access to. So they're inspiring us to build these machines that their technology, they're physical. They just work within nature.

It's not exactly magic. But in this kind of world, it's the closest that they can get. and they can still use them for some of their own purposes, apparently. So I think now what's really weird to think about, we got all this technology when the restrainer is removed, if that whole theory is correct. But, and if all this magic stuff comes back, what is the world going to look like when we have a convergence of occult magic

that all of a sudden is working really well now and this crazy technology that we're developing today? Maybe in the future AI will be a thing. And how are those two going to live in the same? same world and how are they going to both be utilized by the enemy. And I think we get some of that in Revelation. So, yeah, that's an interesting thought. Wow, wow. I love it. I love it. You know, it reminds me sort of like, you know, when David's lamenting, it's like, although I walk through the values of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, that there's this like, that the technology

of Satan is, it's almost this palatable chaos. Yeah. This darkness, this, and God says, you know, but I'm going to put you in green pastures. That God's creation is the God's creation is the garden. The garden is absence of this technology. We don't need it. Like the technology is in photosynthesis. The technology is everything dying and then coming alive again without the need of wires, just this beauty that God will put you back in the garden. And Satan wants to put you in this technological hellhole, you know? And it's just this weird, it's just, it seems like my spirit longs to be in the garden. It does not long for the metaverse and all this crazy stuff that they're coming.

It's like C.S. Lewis, dude. Yeah. Yeah. The fires of Mordor versus the Shire, right? No, I mean, yeah, if your spirit launched for something that it's not here, maybe you were met for another place, right? That's a very bad paraphrase of that quote, but essentially saying that this is, you know, we're aliens in this place, essentially. Yeah.

And that's wild to think about, like the explosion, yeah, the explosion of technology is really like the fabrication or the counterfeiting of creation. And I think that's an interesting point, Josh, day that they would do that because of the restraint of the Holy Spirit. I mean, because, yeah, God didn't pour out of the Holy Spirit until the day of Pentecost, right? So you had sort of this whole free reign for all that time where there wasn't this constraining power to live in Christians or those that follow God. There was the manifest presence of God in like the Ark of the Covenant and when God showed up

and did things, you know, to set things right again. But that was always localized. Very localized. I was to say, yeah, that happened in Israel in these places that where God needed to be to essentially stamp out and protect his people. And then Christ did what he did and undid all this. We've talked through a bunch of this with Heiser and a bunch of our guests on what Christ did in undoing things. But in doing that, he did. It's just fascinating to think about how then our idea conceptually of technology then completely changed at some point after the,

the indwelling of the holy spirit or the pouring out of God's spirit into his people and then you have this it is like a metaverse is this whole separate separate thing that begins to take to take place as man I mean all for all intents of purposes

man sort of is we are kind of building this tower of babble again right this this whole technological thing that that will eventually war with God whether we know that or not at this point we are building that. That's a whole

that'll make my mind hurt too Yeah, well, I love it. I love how the spread of the Holy Spirit is like putting out the fires. And Doug Van Doren talked a little about that on our show. As Christians proliferate, it sort of pushes back the darkness. And that's probably why that sort of demonic technology or the occultic world that the ancients lived in doesn't, it looks so different than our world now. Yeah. To the point where people don't even believe it happened.

Yeah, exactly. And you're like, no, it did. It did happen. The book is Abadon ascending. Where else could people get a hold of you and interact with you, Josh? Yeah, skywatchtv.com that people can find me there. My personal kind of website is Daily Renegade.com. It's kind of a central hub of a couple shows I do and some shows that some other people do.

And we have like four or five different hosts, so people will be able to find a show they like on there. But that's Daily Renegade.com. We're actually trying to use that to fight back against this censorship stuff. For, you know, the first part of my ministry, I always just kind of relied on YouTube. For a while, YouTube was great. You could just post anything and nobody cared. And you could actually grow an audience. And then a few years ago, they started getting into the censorship stuff.

And they actually deleted my entire channel and I lost eight years worth of stuff. Then I didn't have backed up because at the time, I didn't even, like, when that first happened, I had no indication that that was coming. So since then, we've been backing everything up on Daily Renegade. com and we you know let's let's let's do something kind of like what the daily wire does but let's do it for like fringe christian stuff i think that'd be fun and uh so we have that available daily renegade dot com but the big one is skywatch tv um that that's where if people want to find like my products or books or movies or anything like that you can just go to skywatch tv store dot com and put my name in the search engine you'll find it awesome yeah give give give

give Derek a big hug from us. And we love it, man. Thanks for coming on our show, talking about CERN, and just take, like I said earlier, taking a shotgun blast of all kinds of weird questions. Oh, anytime. Yeah, it's fun. I enjoy the conversation. Awesome.

Yeah, blurry creatures. I mean, that's why we call it blurry because it's just, there's not, it's just look, everything is just weird and out of focus. You can't tell what you're talking about half the time. So I appreciate it, Josh. Thanks so much. Yeah, anytime. Thank you.

Appreciate it. Thank you.