Blurry Creatures - EP: 89 "I See Angels" with Micah Turnbo

Episode Date: February 15, 2022

From the beginning, we have been pursuing tangible evidence of the blurry creatures that inhabit our world. What if we told you that some have a gift to see the unseen? Micah Turnbo is pastor and founder of the ministry Behold Wonder, but most interestingly he is a seer--a man who can see angels and demons and the workings of the spiritual realm. Micah takes us on a journey into the unseen. What is it like to talk directly to angels? What is going on around us in the unseen realm? Join us for a fascinating conversation that takes us beyond the veil.  Intro Song: Marvel 83 "beautiful blue"  Guest: https://www.beholdwonder.com Support the show! www.blurrycreatures.com/members Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But then I come talking to my parents about other unique, you know, spiritual beings. they're like, wait a minute, you know, there's, it's, it's actually a world. You know, yes, it's actually a world full of intelligent beings, of intelligent beings, of intelligent beings. Hey, welcome back to blurry creatures, a podcast about giants, bigfoot, Nephilim. If this is your first time listening to our podcast, this might be a little bit of a wildcard for you. I'm bringing on our friend, our new friend, Micah Turnbow, who can see angels and demons and the spiritual world. And I know this brings up some controversy, and we ask all the questions that

you probably would ask yourself, given the opportunity to talk to someone who sees things that most of us can't see. And I know that brings out a lot of skepticism. But Michael was gracious to give us his time, and we are thankful for it. And if you've been on this ride since the beginning, you'll understand that a lot of things we talk about on this podcast, it's a lot of speculation and we're trying to figure out what the heck is going on in these other realms and how do these creatures interact. So this podcast episode to me, It was very pivotal and important to the conversation. So if you listen to the whole podcast, you're going to like this one.

And if you're new to the podcast, this might be a little bit too wild for you. We've been on this journey since the beginning. We've had multiple episodes with guys like Dr. Jed Burton and Tim Almerino. And we've gone into depth about various topics about angels and demons. What are these entities? How does that relate to the story of modern day cryptic sightings? So we love this one. And I just want to be honest with everyone out there that we can't do this show without.

you. I know we've been hinting at it for the last several months that Luke and I are going through some pretty tough times. And to be honest, in August of last year, my wife moved out of the house. And I almost stopped the podcast because it was just such a shattering moment in my life. And since then, I didn't know what I was going to do. I didn't know how I was going to continue. I didn't know a lot of things. But hundreds and hundreds of people have signed up to sponsor the show and have rallied around me and Luke in this time of crisis in my own life and have helped give me new life and realize that maybe, hey, this podcast can be something that I do and not have to stop doing it.

So if you like what you hear and you want to sponsor the show, go to blurry creatures.com slash members. I mean, that would be huge for me right now in my life as it's kind of upside down as I move into the next phase and try to figure out what's next for me, but I'd love to keep this podcast going. And if enough members sign up, I don't have to worry about that part of my life. And I just want to say thank you to everyone who sponsors the show already. I know that's kind of a lot to say. But Tim Alberino actually called me the other day and we talked for about an hour and I told them everything. And he encouraged me to be honest with listeners and

just give them an update of like where I'm at in my life. You know, between Tim and Judd and all these guys, I've been on the phone with them a lot. This is way more than a podcast. You've been, People are reaching out to me in this time of crisis and just crazy transition and being my friend. And I love it. I love blurry creatures and I just can't say thank you to everyone who listens. It means a lot to me and hope you enjoy this one. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it.

I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right, welcome back to blurry creatures. Well, welcome to the show.

We can hop right into it. you're a writer and a supernatural educator and a seer. And one of our listeners suggested you come on the show and kind of give us the rundown of that because we talk about creatures on our show. And that's typically like physical creatures, but it gets into a lot of Old Testament. We talk about the ancient giants a lot on the show and alternate history. That's cool. Which leads to like talks about the demons.

And then we've had Dr. Michael Heiser on. He's talked a lot about the angels. So we talk about these subjects, but we don't really, we never talk to anybody who's seen them. Yes, yes. So welcome to, welcome to blurry creatures. Thank you. Yeah, welcome of blurry creatures.

And yeah, one of the things, too, that I would add is that like all the creature stuff we do, we filter it all through a biblical lens because, you know, we're believers and we're just trying to ask all the hard and weird questions. And we bring a people like you that we can give us good answers because we're, we like the joke that we're just a couple dummies that sit up here and ask questions. But we're, you know, we're just trying to figure it out and make sense of the world around us in the context of our faith. And so yeah, super excited to have you on, man. This is, oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. Well, I'm so, I'm happy to be here. I mean, when I, when I found out who you guys

were and listened to some of your podcast, some of your audio podcast, first of all, I absolutely love the intro. So I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah. This is so cool. And I showed it to my pastor. He was like, this is the coolest intro I've ever. I was like, so I mean, I was excited to be on it because I have done different kinds of podcasts and things. But, you know, the focus of this one is not like anything I've done before, you know, like straight up ask these questions for the sake of wondering all these questions. So this is really cool.

This is going to be really cool. Well, cool. Thanks. I appreciate that. Well, then if you've listened to the podcast and you know how we start the podcast. Micah, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? On Bigfoot? What do you think?

You know, I can ask that question. Another, another guy asked me that question. He said, what do you think about, no, Bigfoot? And I said, well, you know, I have seen creatures like unto that that are like, you know, however Bigfoot looks, you know, but like I've seen strange creatures like that walk around. So my answer is, hmm, could be. There could be one there or could not be there, you know, but there's definitely weird things out there. Wow. You've seen things like Bigfoot.

Yeah. Oh, dude. Do go on. Oh, my gosh. I mean, one of the things about, you know, being a seer that's unique is that a lot of people think the only thing you see are angels or demons. But the spirit world is full of preachers and different kinds of beings. And, you know, being raised in a, you know, in a Christian home, you know, And your parents aware that you had this, you know, gift to see, you know, in the spiritual world, you know, they think like, oh, yeah, angels and demons.

But then I come talking to my parents about other unique, you know, spiritual beings. They're like, wait a minute. You know, there's, it's actually a world. You know, yes, it's actually a world full of intelligent beings that are different than each other, you know. And so I had to adjust to that fact because I would see things in church services. yeah, sure, there would be angels there, cool. But I will also see other unique beings in service, you know, that weren't angels or messenger angels, but they were fashioned in a different way.

And you can tell the difference, you know. That's wild. Yeah. Oh, Mike, so, hey, so when did you first, I mean, is this something that happened when you were a kid? Like, did you just start, I mean, because I, you hear things like from people about how kids because of their purity and because of their, they have been, you know, corrupted by the world and doubt and whatever maybe. The kids can see stuff. But was that like it was that how it was for

you? Yeah, that's a great question. Yeah. So when I was little, I didn't know, see, here's the thing, I didn't know I was seeing things. I thought they were part. It was part of, you know, normal life. You know, I'm little and I'm out of church service and my sister's mom are in a New Year's Eve service. And I'm, they're dancing and I'm seeing like colored lights flying around them, you know, but I thought that was part of the show, you know, they had a little mock throne of God on the stage and I would see a man sitting there, you know, and it was the Lord Jesus, but I didn't, I just thought, oh, yeah, well, you know, there's someone actually sitting there. They put that seat there for him because he's going to sit there, you know, but, you know, I, when I

started talking to my parents about it, you know, I mean, there were some like, I mean, my mom, she would say, she would pray. And she didn't tell me this until much later, but she said, I used to pray and say, you know, Lord, please help my son. Show me that, show me these things are real. So I know that my son isn't losing his mind, you know, because it was a, it was just super real. And then, yeah, so when I found out like, oh, I'm actually seeing things that not everybody else is seeing, then I was like, so this is actually a gift. This is actually unique, you know. So the, so the experiences weren't frightening then. Because if they're, if you're young and they're frightening, then obviously.

Sounds like they were not scary. Yeah, they weren't. It was interesting, you know, well, well, let's say when I started understanding, you know, demons, because I would see a lot of angels for a long time. And even seeing, you know, 10 feet angelic warrior beings that, you know, that look nothing like the TV shows portray them, you know, you know, there was, there was always a piece on the inside of me that these, these, these guys. are good, you know. I always called them the men in the white suits in the back, you know,

like that's always what I called them when I was little. But when the demons came in, you know, and I started noticing them, then, you know, I started to feel afraid because I knew that they were evil. And I could see how the angels around, the warrior angels around, how they would fin them off and protect them and just how, you know, gruesome the warfare battles can be in the spiritual world, you know, fending off demons. And, you know, it's a, it's a really intense battle that they go through. These angels go through to protect us. Like right there in church, you're sitting there and you see this. Like I would see deliverance services, you know, when people were like casting out demons, I could, I wouldn't, when I started being able to see the demons inside the people, you know, that was like,

oh my gosh, I'm shocked, you know. And then when you, you work, you know, walking in authority and, you know, cast them out, come out and just, it's amazing how powerful the, you know, name of Jesus is. It is incredible. How powerful the name of Jesus is. Demons literally shudder and are afraid when you say the name of Jesus. In fact, it burns their skin. It burns them. It's, it kills them. It destroys them in a way. It's like you say the name of Jesus and they are terrified. And I would watch these people just, you know, have a walk in authority. They come out in Jesus' name. And the angels of the Lord would go to battle. You know, they would go to battle and sometimes parts are flying. from demon.

Wow. You know, parts of it flying them, you know, carrying them in these sacks because they're just pieces now. Really? Michael, so I've got two questions for you. Sure. So first is a gift. Is this something that you didn't develop like in a practice?

Like, or is it just something that you're gifted with and you have this ability to see it in the spiritual realm or something that you, I mean, I guess when you have gifts, you work at your gift, whether it's a talent or something like that. Is that how it works in this space? That's a great way of saying it. Yes. So I had the gift, but I had to practice. Yeah, I had to, especially with someone like me, you know, people have visions and pictures

and things in their minds and those are legit things. But for me, it was always an actual thing. So one of the things I had to practice that's slightly unique was I had to understand the limits of my body because physically my body can handle so much of what's happening. So like, for example, learning to get good sleep at night, learning to, eat, you know, make sure I eat food because in the, you read the scriptures that some of these encounters that these biblical characters had, they would like fall out like they would like they faint or sometimes they get sick and they fall over. And that's a real thing because your body can only

handle so much. So I had to build up endurance in that area. And when you're seeing these, like how would you describe the physical versus the spiritual? Wow. That's a great question. Yeah. So here's the unique thing that to me but you know the spiritual world and the spiritual world in the physical world they are all just they're both solid you know so it's not like one is translucent to one you can see through another there are 100% solid you know so it's not it's so to me it's not really like a spiritual world and physical world anymore it's it's a world you know that is existing around us all the time that it's doing things around this all the time. It's unique because, you know, I remember having a conversation with an angelic

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Book direct at soysville tales.com. Well, this is what we talk about a lot because we talk about UFOs on the show. Yep. And Tim, Tim Alberina went on details to describe just that, that they're flying these things. But are they?

Are they flying them? Right. Right. Oh, I love it when people ask about UFOs. I mean, like I said, there are things that are not, that are intelligent, that sometimes it seems like they pass through,

you know, our sphere, or our space. And others would say, you know, that they're, you know, existing somewhere else, but it's like they've actually kind of already been around. You know, they've already been around. It's just our eyes and our space opens up to see such things. Can you describe, like, angels for us? And then I'd love to describe the, you know, the demonic as well.

And then I want to get back to you. I don't want to forget this. So Nader or Michael remind me, but the fact, you're saying that you talk to these things. I want to talk about that at some point. But I'd love to understand because, you know, most people listening to the show and I would say Nate and I don't see. Although I have seen something.

And I was kind of looking into you. And there's a story, I think it was on your Facebook. You were talking about this black tattered. I saw it when I was in high school in my room. It was like a garbage bag. You'd pulled and like stretched and tattered like it had been on the side of a freeway. And I saw it in the corner of my room and come up. at me. Then we found out that there had been this, our realtor was like supposedly a white witch

and all this weird stuff happened. So we had to cleanse our home, but that's a whole other story. Nate, we can talk about that at a whole other time. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, well, that's why we call it blurry creatures because there's so many. So it's great for you to say. It's great for you to describe all this. Because it's like, more or more, that's, this podcast was, was named accurately. I guess. Yes, it was. We would love to just to, like, to get to sit behind your eyes for a second and just talk about what you see because you said there's different types of, and we know there's different

types of angels from the scripture, right? You have the cherubim and seraphim. And the idea then is that even the prophetic iconography that we're talking about things that look very different. Yeah. Yeah. And then the whole demonic thing is not completely, the physically addressed in the Bible. But we know.

But yeah, I'll let you talk and not. me. Sure. No, it's great. So angels, oh, man, okay. So you want to know what they look like? Yeah. Yeah. Do some of what they look like? Do they all look the same, you know? Wow, that's great. They do not all look the same. Some of them actually look more like, there's a lot of them that look less human. Some of them take on the form of humans just so that way we don't get startled, you know, by their actual appearances. But I've seen some, dude, I have seen some that have filled the sky, you know, that I've been so but large that it looked like they covered the entire like hemisphere. You know, and they're just watching, looking into our planet. And I'm, you know, and by all

means, God help me. I'm so thankful for grace. Sometimes I'm seeing these things while I'm driving. And it's like, I need to pull over, you know, because, you know, this is exciting. And I need to, this is, you know, but they, um, wow. They can be. be as massive as the hemisphere or just as small as, you know, but what's amazing is about the warrior angels, the ones that fight, you know, the demonic, I've seen some that look like they're made out of the blades of knives, you know? So everything in them is, or on them is sharp and they're like knives. And when they fight and they go to the warfare, they use their wings and they literally slice demonic beings. They literally slice demonic beings. They literally slice.

them. This particular angel, I saw him at a children's park. And he was watching the kids play. And I have this thing just because it's fun for me that whenever I see an angel and I go up to them and I, you know, I try to be not, you know, weird, you know, because it might look strange. I'm talking to the air to someone else, you know, but I try to like poke them. Like just, you know, it's like a game that I have, you know, try to poke them. But this guy couldn't poke because he's sharp everywhere, you know, so I'm like, I can't, I can't poke him, you know, but he understood that and he kind of just smiled at me. And I asked him, I said, what are you doing here? Why are you here? What are you doing here? And he said, this is my position. I watch the children

on the playground. And I said, well, what do you mean? You watch the kids. He said, I protect them. And I said, from what? And he looked down and there were all these demonic guts on the ground because they got near him and he just sliced them. Oh. You know, and they were all at his feet. I mean, this, this, this is real stuff. It's not, it's not like. Are you talking to them in your mind?

Are you talking to him? In this instance, yes, I'm talking to him in my mind. Because you can, with angels, you can communicate in your mind or you can use vocal. Now, when I'm with my, we're on people I trust or myself, I will talk out loud to them. But you can't do that with everybody because they'll think that's good. You look crazy. My mom used to say. boy put your eyes back in you look weird because I would just stand you know

put your eyes back in yeah put your eyes back in you look weird you know so they protect children yeah he was protecting the kids and that makes sense yeah can you see any right now like on your screen no like can you see yeah Nate asked that is there one right here no I mean is there one in like your house or anything well I'm actually in a friend's house and yeah they're always in this house absolutely well it's always fun when I stay the night at people's houses, you know, especially if they know Jesus. If they don't know Jesus, I'm at someone's house, I can be a little bit tricky because it's like, oh, there's a critter in here. We're not friends. But when I'm in other homes and what's fun is that angels know

that I can see them. So they will interact with me. They'll start the conversation and, you know, say hello. And they all have different personalities. They're not robotic at all. Well, there's some that are more stoic, but it's like people, right? Like you got a variety of like personalities and Absolutely. I mean, the warriors, you go up to them and you be like, hey, you know, they talk less, you know, because they're ready to kill something, you know, they're ready to destroy something. But, you know, the messenger ones that, you know, that, you know, give us encouraging messages from Jesus and, you know, they are a little bit more talkative, you know, because they got to, you know, they're talking to humans more often. Man. Yeah, but there's some of that are made out of elements. Some of that are made completely out of fire. Some that are made out of water. I was sitting at a river. one time just reading my Bible and, you know, just being myself. And the river flowed backwards and went up and formed into an angel that was made out of water. Now, this is what was interesting as I'm at the park and I'm seeing this river flow backwards and it forms up. There were, you know,

several other people around watched the river go backwards. And it formed up, but to them, it looked like a water spout. But I could see an actual figure come out of that. So it's the interaction of the physical and the spiritual area. That's wild. So some of them have, or warriors, they have, they have razor blades or knives all over them. And then what are the other angels look like? Are they said men in white coats? Sometimes, sometimes they're in white robes, not all the time.

I've seen angels made out of metal, like they're just metal. And they don't have any garments or robes on, but they're just solid metal. And like the 10 man, like the 10 man from Osirovic? Yeah, like much more awesome. Yeah, I imagine so. But yeah, I'm trying to think of it all metal. Complete metal. And some of them are, I've seen that are complete diamonds, you know, but depending on their

occupation will determine a lot of times their appearance. You know, some were angels change actually into ships, you know, that flyby. You know, the transformers, you know? Yeah. Like, dude. That I was praying one time. you know, you know, not all the time when I see these guys, am I, you know, always praying, but this particular time I'm praying. And I hear a plane or, yeah, a plane flying really low.

And I thought, my goodness, that plane is so low. Why is he flying so low in this space? And it was this metal ship made this loud noise. And I said, oh my goodness. And then it just changed. It started to change and formed into this angelic being that looked right me and then it looked up forward and it started flying again and then more of them started to follow and then more of them started to follow and I said oh my goodness the warriors can even be like these warring chips that's incredible you know wow wow and why do you think some people have these gifts and others don't like why do you think you're able to see you know that's really cool it's funny because I was teaching a class last night about seers you know the purpose of seers is and

there's more in the world. But the purpose of Sears is to remind us that there is things going on around us. You know, Jesus lives on the inside of us. And because he's on the inside, his presence and his power is moving around us. It's activating things around us. And so Sears remind people that, hey, there is more with you right now than you think. You know, it's the story when Elijah told his servant when he was freaking out because there were the armies and then Elijah said, wait a minute, there's more with us than that's with them. Oh, Lord, open his eyes so he can see. And he saw the chariots of fire. Okay. And so seers bring that awareness that there is more around us than what we see right now. Wow. It's very cool. When you pray, what happens in the

spiritual realm when you pray? Oh, dude. And this is for everybody. This is so cool. cool. So when you pray, depending on how what the Lord is releasing to you to pray, it says in Psalms, it says, bless you his angels who obey, who hear and obey the voice of the Lord. So angels always harken to or listen to or act on the voice of the Lord. And because we are connected with the Holy Spirit with Jesus, we are able to speak and declare things. And angels will say, I recognize that. That's the voice of God in them. And they act. act. So when we pray the heart of God, it releases angels to do things. For example, you are a warrior angel could come around you and you're praying for deliverance or, you know, that God would

protect or these kind of things. And that your prayer ends up turning into a weapon. It forms right in front of the angel where he's at and he'll grab that prayer like a weapon and he'll go off and destroy the works of the devil. Yeah. It's like the, like no weapon formed against you, right? It's the whole, I mean, that makes a lot of sense, actually. Wow. Wow. Right. If there's these weapon forms against us, then why, yeah, why wouldn't the reciprocal happen in the spiritual realm? Yes. Yes. That's cool. Yeah. So how many, how many angels are in a, like, sorry, Luke, like, can be in a room or in a space or are, are they like, are they with every Christian? Oh, yeah, great question. Absolutely. You know, when you are, and this is, this can go down so many

trails, but I'll do my best to not hit funny trails. Yes, there are many, many, countless, countless angels that can be activated. And some of them that are not even doing things on the earth because they're created to function in the new earth that the Lord will make. So we have a whole lot. We have a whole lot that are on our team. But how they are unique to Christians is that they help us walk in obedience. So instead of you thinking like as the as them like your butler, you know, who just does what you say, think of them more as a companion. You know, they're around you. They look after you. They care for you. They cry. You know, and when things bother you, they, they want you to be the best you can be. And occasions, when warfare or things that are

going on around you are hard, they will ask for help from others. other angelic groups. You know, I've seen that happen. I was a point of my life where I was going through very intense anxiety and very intense. And there was an angel who normally watches me. He was around and he fed some things off. He, you know, did what he could. But there was a point where he needed some help. And so he called in a stronger angel. And I wake up in the middle of the night and I see this angel, the stronger one wrestling down another, a demon. And I'm like, what is going on? And he looks at me. He said, it's okay, I got it. Don't worry about it. Go back to sleep. And I wrote over and went back to sleep. You know, so your life, think of it this way. Your life

is constantly interacting with the angelic. It's constantly interacting. Not only do you have one that's around you all the time, but you also, there's times where you, you just being present in an area invites challenge to the demonic realm that you're going to need, you know, 10,000, 12,000 angels like that. Wow. Wow. Have you ever been like a situation where you're like seeing a kid ride a bike, angel flies in and saves the kid from getting hit by a car or something crazy like that? Have you seen anything like that? Oh my goodness. Dude, oh man, those are so fun. Yes, I've seen things like that happen. One time I'm driving and I'm at a red light and car in front of me and I hear the Holy Spirit just say, hold on, don't go. Wait. So I stop. I just like, I'm not going anywhere.

boom the light turns green and this car goes head and forward another car slams into the other car what was amazing was that boom you could see the impact but the other car both cars were completely perfect and i said how in the world did that happen and so at that moment i'm like how how did this happen no debris nothing and there was this strong muscular angel had no shirt on and we're like regular like white pants barefoot you know just bicep huge kind of guy you know and he's in this middle of the street and he's looking at both cars and he goes and then he just flies away and so both cars are like what happened so guess what happened to happen to me so i'm a witness of what happened pops get called and they can't figure it out and the lord tells me he says go

out there and tell them that i saved their life wow and i said oh my gosh lord you got to be kidding me. And he said, go out there and tell him that I saved your life. And so I get out of the car and the cops like, oh, you're witness, blah, blah, you know, and I said, hey, guys, I love Jesus. Just so you know, I can see things in the spiritual realm. It's weird. And no one ever really knows how to respond to you when you say that. Sure. And I just said, I just want you know, God has a plan for you. He loves you. He literally saved your life. There was an angel that protected both of you. And the Holy Spirit's presence came. Really came. It was very powerful. And both. people like their eyes didn't turn to the fact that there was an angel, but immediately turned

to the love of God, which is why there are seers. Sears bring that awareness, yes, of the spiritual realm, but it doesn't just point to themselves or to, you know, the different angels that around them, but to how Jesus is king of kings and lord of lords. He loves you. He has a plan for you. And it's amazing watching people fall in love with him just at that moment. That's so cool. Yeah. Man, that's awesome. Hey, so when you talk about these battles that happened between the angels and the demonic, do they actually die, you think, or is there a, like a, I mean, are these things,

is there mortality in the spiritual realm or they? Love it. You guys ask such good questions. This is funny. Thanks. Keep doing. Yeah. Yeah, so angels can be injured. I've never seen one die. I've seen, well, hold on.

Now we'll host it reminded me of something. I've seen, I've seen spiritual beings come to a point of death and Jesus had to heal them. That's wild. That's wild. I just call in, calling the big guns. You come,

come give you CPR, you know? Yeah. Yeah. This was actually a first for me because I had seen angels be injured, get injured. and the you know, they have to go get healing for that. But I'd never seen one to the close point of death.

And the Lord Jesus, see, Jesus, he cares for everything. He loves, he loves the angels that he made. You know, he cares for them. And I remember being, I was in the spiritual, this spiritual realm there and seeing this particular spiritual being that was laying on the ground nearly dead. And the angel with me, Eden, he's the one that guards me and we're good friends, but Aiden was crying out to God, crying out to Jesus that he would save and heal the spiritual being. I'll never forget it. Lord Jesus appeared. Jesus is awesome, by the way. You guys, he is so

epic. I mean, he is everything. He is a warrior king, but he is so humble and so full of gentleness. But when the fire gets in his eyes and he's ready to like destroy the works of the devil, it's like, you move out of the way. You know, like let him do it. Wow. You know, but Jesus comes in with such compassion and he's just full of just light and glory and beautiful. And I remember he picked up the spirit and he put his head on the spirit's head and the

light and the healing power of him went into this spiritual being. And it was healed. And Jesus carries the spiritual being into, you know, heaven, wherever they needed to go. And I'm there with Eden. the angel who usually watches me. And I said, what happened? And he said, oh, my God, he said, you need to understand. He said, Jesus is so full of love.

And it seems that we're invincible to you. He said, but we need him just as much as you need him. And that puts you on such a plain, a field of understanding with these spiritual creatures, is that they have a task that God has given them, that they need him to fulfill. Like, we have tasks on this earth, that we need. Jesus to everybody's on the same playing field. Everybody's doing the same thing, releasing the kingdom of God. So Jesus is glorified. Everybody's doing that. Everyone. And do do angels eat from the tree of life still? I, you know, that's a good question. I have, I know they eat. I have not seen them

eat from the tree of life. I've seen them eat from trees back in, you know, well, when Earth was in back in Eden time and, you know, before the earth was created. But now I don't see the meat from a tree. But they'll just be eaten. You can see them and they're just eaten. Yeah, they'll eat their own. What are they eating? They'll eat. Oh, great question. I mean, the best I can describe some, I mean, some people say like they'll eat like fruit, but there is, I'll just say this. There is a substance that is like meat, you know, that they'll eat. They're eating filet. There's eating filets all day. Yeah, they're doing filets. Yeah. I mean, I've had it. I've had. I've had. I've had. I mean, the Lord has my life, I love my life.

The Lord has allowed me to really have you really strange, unique conversations with angels. I mean, I'm eating yogurt one time in my apartment, just eating yogurt because I loved yogurt. Sure. Who doesn't? An angel flies into my apartment because they like to come around me because I'll talk to them, say hi, we, you know, hang out.

They flew into the, uh, into my apartment. And he said, I want to try that. So I got him a spoon. And we both ate some of my yogurt. You know, cool. And I asked him, I said, do you have anything unique to say? Or he said, no, I just want to try a yogurt. And he just flew out to wherever he needed to go, you know, wherever he needed to go.

How long do they live? I mean, well, obviously you said they didn't die. Yeah, well, I mean, they live forever unless, you know, there is a death around them. But there's angels that have been around before the earth was even created, you know. There's some-jove. Yeah, talks about that. Yeah. So let's talk about the bad guys.

Like, do you see, have you seen fallen angels? Yeah, dude. That's got to be gnarly because we know there's a difference between, you know, fallen angels and demons. Absolutely. What is that like, man? I mean, I just, we talked a lot about the angelic, which I love to talk about all the good stuff. But also, you realize that, like, the scriptures is very, very specific about the fact or to the point about the fact that we are, you know, born into. world of war and that there's you know paul talks about what is unseen is more real than what's seen

and we know that we are we exist in a spiritual we live in a spiritual battle and as you talk i think about i think about like it that it's all around us right so what is what do the what do the bad critters look like yeah critters yeah critters jesus called them one time he said look at those roaches he called them roaches that's cool lord yeah yeah they're around gangly ugly things You know, what's interesting is that demons, they always look malnourished. They always look like they're sick, you know, and they're so ashamed of their appearance. You know, demons were the spirits of the Nephilim. Yeah, there you go. So they were used to tracking right now, Mike. Yeah, that's what we talk about.

That's like the crux. We live, dude, we start. Our podcast starts at ends in Genesis. Genesis 6. It doesn't end there, but we come full circle. We come all the way back around. I'd wait for you to say that. Are we right? Are we right on or are we off? Yeah, you're right.

Yeah. The demons are the spirits of the Nephilim. And they're actually quite unique because this is why they like to inhabit bodies because they had one. Right. You know, and so when their bodies died, their spirits just, they lingered on the earth and Father would not take them because they were created out of abomination of a mixing of blood, which is, again, why the Lord had to send a massive flood

was because the blood, the blood was corrupted. You know, we needed to cleanse the bloodline because you have these giants being formed. So, yeah, demons, they look malnourished, they look sickling, they look like they are emptied and gangly, but they're so ashamed of them, of their appearance because they once had a solid or a more appealing form. They're giants, men of renown, right? There are these demigod heroes. Yes, that had supernatural abilities, you know?

You know, well, their ancestors are part of that where the watchers who themselves were very powerful, appealing looking people that descended in, you know, Mount Horrible and these amazing ships and such, you know, with technology and all those kind of things. But, oh, guys, there's so many areas. I could go, okay. You can go where you want, Michael.

It's great. Demons, they attack humans, especially there are appearance, because when they look at us, they see a complete fullness of the image of God. Okay? And so they don't have a pleasing or a form that represents something. See, when they were the Nephilim, when they were in that form, they were an image of humans and the watchers. You know, okay, so they had, okay, I represent these two races,

but the bodies got destroyed and now they don't represent anything. Now they're these empty, these empty gangly vessels that are constantly trying to find, you know, a body so they can represent something again. They torment something. They torment us and get into manipulate our bodies because they want a form again. And we are the image barriers.

Absolutely. We are the most unique of the created order. Every spiritual being will look at you and say that you are the most unique, the most important of any created being. You know, the Elohim knew that. You know, the gods of, you know, in Psalm 86 or 82, I can't remember. They knew that. The watchers knew that. The angels knew that. Lucifer, Satan knew that. You know, and so because you have humans who, are the image of the creator. And you have these watchers who are like, obviously they can reproduce. Now they want to have an offspring of their own and mix their blood with the blood of humans. Because it's always been about blood in the spiritual world, always been about blood. Right. You know, they want to mix their blood with human blood. So that way they can get authority, get some kind of benefit from humans.

They have authority to do things that we can't even do. let us mingle with them. And you have Lucifer on the sideline. Lucifer is not involved in this at all. Satan is like, well, that's going to end bad, because Satan knows why humans were created. So you got Satan hanging out, watching this all unfold. And it went very bad. And then there comes to demons. So how did Satan get his army of demons? Well, he's just quite clever. He goes to these spirits of the Nephilim, who are now hate God because God won't receive them and he gains his army he gains another group to side with him i hate god do i hate these creatures too and so you got you got demonic beings and satan working together to destroy the human race to destroy human race to destroy sorry what about the other chimerical creatures that were made as well

because they said all flesh was corrupted so do you see spirits of like the centaurs and the fauns and all the things that were rumored to exist. Yes. You do. The Egyptian gods is a great example of that. The Egyptian gods were a, um, and, uh, you know, a, because when the watchers came down, they showed them how to mingle their blood, you know, with other spiritual beings and creatures that were not necessarily all the way human. And so you have this mingling of these Egyptian gods, these heads of a bird or, you know, these these these mixtures that were around yeah absolutely but they had spirits then yes and their spirits are still lingering yeah they would be in the in the category where the demons would be and that's

why you have some demons that look kind of like resemble us a little bit and then you have demons that look i mean that are like you know i've seen some that you know had the the body you know of a scorpion that had the body of a scorpion with a scorpion tail you know and then it had a long head you know but its face looked like some kind of corrupted lizard kind of thing you know then you have these weird mixtures of creatures you know that are demons as well it's fun when you were around an artist because they just want to be in trial right and how big did these nephalum get i mean is there any other are the demons bigger size or small is there any indications that's a good question they can be various sizes. Now, Nephilim, there were some that were big as buildings. Now, this was another

reason why that the earth was so full of blood was because in order to feed the Nephilim, you had to feed them tons of food. Okay. And so the earth was so full of blood. And then you had, well, then you had a lot of cannibalism pop up. Right. Right. Okay. Because they needed to eat. And so you had these giants. And now, guys, I'm telling you this because the Lord had sent me back into time where I could see these things. So I'm watching it and I'm like, holy moly. You know, the earth was crazy chaotic because of this. Okay.

And yeah, so you had these giants that couldn't get food. Humans couldn't properly provide for them that they started eating some of the humans. Yeah. You know, and God's like, you know, literally. if the Lord did not send a flood to wipe out the giants, the human race would not be here. Yeah. When they talk about in the land of Canaan, they were as tall as cedar trees. Oh, dude.

It's accurate. Yes. And trees back then, because the earth was so young, you know, it depends on where people stand a young earth, old earth, whatever. But the trees were much, much taller than they are now. Yeah. They were huge back in those days. I mean, they were massive.

So the giants, you know, the trees described then were not like, but they are now, you know, they were massive. So you had giants as tall as those massive trees. There's lots of people who come on and talk about mud fossils that a lot of these tree stumps there are mountains were the stumps of ancient trees that were giant. Exactly. Exactly. Wow, man.

So are you just like laying in bed and then you just have these visions? Yeah, dude. Okay, let's just, I'll be honest. Sometimes I'm playing my video game. You know, I'm on break. I'm off from work and I'm at home and I'm trying to decompress. us and I'm like playing games and then the Lord will just take me into these encounters with and so it's hilarious because people are like, you must fast for like 20 days.

I really like to eat. Same, buddy. Look at it. You don't get my, you don't look like me if you don't like the, I'm with you right here. I know, man. I love eating people like,

oh, your prophet is here. That means you're always fasting. I'm like, not this one. Not this guy. Give me a burger. Give me some bacon.

You know, like I'm ready to eat. Yeah. So, Mike, yeah. Oh, go ahead. I want to hear about the vision, but I want to ask, you know, we talk about the demonic, but we know that like a third of heaven fell. It wasn't just the watchers, right? There's 200 watchers allegedly, and we know that there was other fallen angels.

Are they around? Because we know that the watchers are locked up and imprisoned, and they have to watch their progeny die, and that's their punishment. And then you have, but there wasn't everybody, obviously, right? Because Satan, for example, he, you. he's he's not locked up there. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the third of heavens.

I don't know even know how big, we don't know how big that is, but I would imagine there's fallen angels around too. Do they, are they much more recognizable than like a demon or the demonic? Yes, you can tell the difference between the demons and fallen angels. Fallen angels are a lot more intelligent, governmental, you know, they're much more intelligent. Demons are, they throw, you know, they're just wild, you know. They're not as intelligent. And, you know, when you're dealing with the fallen angel that, you know, once actually served in the presence of God and fell, you know, when there was that rebellion, which the Lord showed me that too. And that was incredibly intense. Not what we, you know, what people would think, how it happened.

Tell us. I want to hear this. Yeah. So angels, let's just say angels have a sense of family. Okay. So just as much as we have friends, they, you know, and we know each other is the same way with them. So Lucifer or, you know, the morning star was the only angelic being that was allowed to walk on the stones of fire. The stones of fire is inside the father's heart. You can actually, when you go to heaven, you can actually walk inside God. Okay. And it's like walking on coals of fire. It's the most beautiful place you can be, you know.

But the morning star or Lucifer walked there. So he was very close, very intimate, if you want to say, with the Lord Jesus, the Father and Holy Spirit, so much so that he was the created angel that had gemstones and beauty inside of him, creating music. But because he was so close to God, he knew about the creation of humans that would happen. And of course, there's jealousy that popped up because he could not understand it's an insecure. This is why he always attacks our identity because that was the first thing that went for him was that he started to doubt. who he was. This is the only angel, guys, this is out of all of the angels created. He was the only one allowed to walk inside God. Boom. Like, that is amazing. And yet his, you know, he fell first in his identity, started to question his value to God by comparing himself to humans who had not

he had even been graded yet. There were sin and darkness in his heart. And he actually got, bolted out of inside God's heart. It was like a lightning bolt that crashed and knocked him out of God's heart. And then there became this huge rebellion, this huge war and Michael and my gosh, angels during that time, you have to understand too that warrior angels at that time, there wasn't any at that moment because there was nothing to battle, nothing to fight. So you had Michael step up to the plate, you know, to defend heaven. And it was a very emotional experience for him. him because he actually had to fight, you know, lead people to fight against their brothers, their family, the other angels that they were close to. So I would like to say that the fall of

Lucifer was an incredibly sad event, something that happened, but it was very tragic. It was a fracturing of their family. I mean, it was a break in the family. Yeah, exactly. It was a break of the family, you know, and so you had angels that knew each other. Can you imagine, like, if it's your own brother or sister and you know each other, you grew up with each other and one sides with the enemy and you have to fight them and kick them out. That's tragic. You do what you got to do. So one of the most amazing events after that, you know, the fall and the battle and all that. You see Satan literally fall like lightning from heaven. Jesus talks about I saw Satan. Satan fall, lightning from heaven. You literally see him crash to the mid heavens like, boom, like a lightning bolt because it was so

quick. But it was awesome. And I'm so glad the Lord allowed me to see. this was after the fact and the heaven heaven was just a mess and there were angels that some that were injured some that were they were just broken that the father and jesus he wasn't called jesus yet he didn't get that name until he came here but he was pre-incarnate you know jesus whatever the son the son yeah the words some people say he used the word word yeah they ministered to the angels then they if they took time to he to minister to them to bring healing to them because they were so heartbroken. And so if you understand that story, you understand why they like to help us so much and why it hurts them when they see

us fighting each other because they've experienced that. They've experienced a civil war. They experienced families going against each other, friends and like families going against each other and how that can be so heartbreaking. Is that sort of the desire to to, to a have created their own families? Are angels, are they male? Are they, they, they're they male and female? Or how does that work? I mean, because that's, that's, that's, that's usually typically what people say is how could angels mate with human beings? That's impossible. Yeah, yeah. So angels can, yeah, they actually have gender qualities about them. Now, it's been taught that spirits don't have genders, you know, and, you know, based off Hebrews chapter one where it says, you know, all

angels ministering spirits. And so people say, well, they're ministry spirits. So therefore they don't have a gender. That's actually not true. Okay. There's, you know, that's just an assumption. Yeah. But the, yeah, they, they have genders, you know, because God himself got Jesus is a man. You know, Jesus is a man. Father manifests as a man, you know, so they love gender. They love showing the difference that way. It's so important to father that he would even describe himself as, you know, the many breasted one, the one that brings in and nurses and nurtures, you know. So there he is identifying there with a gender, you know, that is female.

You know, so like spiritual beings have a gender, you know, and how are they able to, you know, create, procreate. I like to think of it even before they can get to that moment of where they can say, hey, let's create children with humans. There had to be an understanding of reproduction among themselves. They had to first understand and evolve to a point to where they can reproduce among their kind to be able to look at humans and say, oh, they can do that. Let's do that with them. You know, so it's quite interesting. That is a wild thought. I mean, that is a, And that's a wild thought.

We talk about a lot of the modern day cryptic sightings. We talk about like dog man, Bigfoot, you know, werewolf type creatures and, you know, giant primate type creatures that supposedly have these angelic power. So Bigfoot can talk to you, communicate telepathically. People will describe that kind of thing. So we were always trying to figure out,

is it some sort of chimera? Is there some sort of spiritual side to these, these crypted creatures that, then there's thousands of podcasts like ours but we try to filter all ours through the to the truth yeah is through the bible to get there get more answers of what what are these things that people see right right what do you think about that what do you think about those creatures the modern day cryptids yeah i mean i dude i mean i think they're my favorites is when i'm around um and i get to be around uh psychics or mediums or uh spiritual you know things like that i love i love

being around them, one, because they're, you know, you can talk to them about these things and say, hey, well, you know, and they immediately look at you and they say, oh, is he a psychic? Well, no, he's different because they can tell the difference in me for them, you know, immediately. But yeah, I'll tell them like, oh, you know, yeah, those, you know, those chimeras, those mixture of those creatures that you see are real. They're just able to phase in and out from your visibility. See, the spiritual realm or that dimension is completely on a different time zone. it completely has different laws, different sciences that are not the same as ours.

And that plays into a role of why we don't always see them. And there are times where things kind of just match up for a second. And then you can see them appear. You can see them do things and then they disappear. Michael, what do you think about thin places then where the veil is? Do you describe to that? And what do you think about why that is? is. It just happened to be like these places where heaven and earth are just much more.

Yeah. And it's actually going to get, it's going to increase, you know, as the kingdom of God continues to increase in the earth, the veil between those worlds and ours is going to become very thin, very, very, very thin all over where it's going to be quite common to see spiritual creatures normally. And I tell the Lord, when he showed me that, I said, well, Lord, I think we'll put the seers out of a job because now everybody's trying to be seeing it. Right. You know, like, you know, so, but that, yeah, it's, it's going to be very normal.

Is that why, like, men's hearts will fail them because they're going to start seeing this stuff? Some of it will be so, you know, yes, and this is why we train ourselves now. We build in ourselves now to really study and read the scriptures, but to draw, in that process of studying reading the scriptures, we draw into intimacy with God, knowing him, because some of these sites and things are going to be. so intense that those whose hearts aren't ready, their hearts will fail them. Okay. Yeah. Their hearts will fail them. Yeah, they haven't paid their dude. They haven't,

they haven't listened to enough blurry creatures. You know what, guys. You guys are asking the questions and saying the things that we need to talk about because humans are the most important things of the creation, of the created order. So that means that we are supposed to be leading the spiritual realm. Yeah. You know, we're supposed to be, go ahead. Well, I say this has just been a great, just a great conversation so far. I'm loving every minute of it because we're almost at 100 episodes. We're closing in on it. And we've been making a lot of, you know, sort of bold claims that like the giants were real. They were big. They were building this stuff. There are chimerical creatures that, you know, Tim talked extensively how there was this transaction with

technology and women and the angels. And, and we're throwing a lot of things out there. And sometimes I'm wondering, are we on? Are we off? Is this true? I mean, I believe in my heart that the narrative that we're pushing is true. And just to hear you say this is just, it's very encouraging because it's, like, I can think of like 10 guests already are on our show that you, things you said that lined up. This is a great moment in the show, I think. It's a really great time to have you on because as we do the show, we just get more questions. It just gets harder to understand that you're, you're tying so many things together that we've heard on the show. So I just really appreciate it. That's awesome. That's awesome.

I've got a question here, as I'm thinking about this, is in the Bible, when we have like Elijah or in Ezekiel or in Revelation, we have the prophets that have visions. And in the visions they describe, they try to describe in language what they're seeing, the creatures around the throne and the way they describe the angelic. And then there's all the stuff with the wheel within the wheel. Like, how do you sort that out? Like, how much of that, this is my good question. This is what I really understand.

Like, if you can see in the spiritual, how much. much of that is like is Ezekiel and is John just trying to describe all this crazy stuff that can't really describe with language and how much of that is like that's actually what it really looks like is there like these creatures with faces like the four faces around the throne or how much is prophetic iconography how much is like literal this is what they're seeing yes that's a really really great question okay so in Ezekiel chapter one when the four the uh, the cherubim appear, he is, his description of them is, yes, they are real. Oh my gosh, and quite terrifying. They are extremely noisy and massive and huge. So when the Lord allowed me to see that,

I mean, they, I was actually under the throne because you have, it's a chariot. So you have, you know, the throne on top of the Sapphire Sea and the fire in between and these massive huge wheels that have eyes. I mean, those eyes, guys, I kid you not, they're everywhere and they all open at the same time. And they're not, I mean, it's kind of like, whoa, that's odd. Weird. You know? And then you have these faces. Oh, my gosh, these massive faces. This ox that is there. And then, guys, it would switch. It would go, and then there would be a face of a man. You know, it would just, and so it's noisy. And then these wings that are so huge.

And when they move, it sounds like if you ever been in a tornado, like the sound of a wind of that of. Like a freight train. That's what they. Yes, that's what they sound like when they move. And I'm thinking, oh, my goodness. I understand why some of them are like, how am I going to describe this? You know, so in that case, yes, Zechiel was describing things that were really. Same thing with Isaiah chapter 6 with the seraphim. Oh, gosh, yes. I mean, the throne being high and lifted up and the train literally filling the temple. That is like a real thing. The train of the God's robe fills the temple. And then you got these blow-torched like fiery seraphim with six wings. And they cry out holy and everything shakes. And you can see there's because it's fire, there's smoke all in the throne room naturally. He says the temple fills up with smoke. Well, that's why because you got flaming beings.

up there, you know, and, you know, they would dip down out of that smoke and they would land on the ground and it would look like a fiery tornado that is just going across the ground, you know, with these six wings. So I'm like, these prophets are amazing. But then you have things in John, I'm sorry, Revelation where it's described some odd things there, you know, the head of a face of a lion and then, you know, the tail of a scorpion. They were trying to best describe things that they could not understand at that time. Sure. Mm-hmm. And there's all kinds of theories that came out. Maybe they were seeing tanks or helicopters, you know, or whatever.

That's wild. I mean, is there more colors? Is it like, is there like this? Yeah, man. Yeah, dude. There's colors, bro. Like, when you get, okay, let's say. Finding myself being very envious, Micah.

Well, hey, I'll pray for you guys that you guys have your own. That's one of my favorite things is that I love to pray for people to have their own encounters because God has given him away like cookies, bro. Because he wants people to see him. He wants people to encounter him, you know? And I've prayed for people and they've had dreams and visions or pictures or ideas in their minds of what the throne room is like. Because God wants to, God wants us to see him. Right.

Wants us to know his throne what it's like because, guys, that's where you come from. Yeah. The throne of God is where you come from him. And I'll tell you this about the throne. Oh, I get so excited. But about the throne. My goodness, it is so powerful. You know holy is coming.

You got millions of angels saying holy. Well, that's awesome. Incredible. But what is coming. It says that he is the father of lights. What is coming out of him, the millions of different kinds of light that doesn't look like the other. Like there's all these, I don't know how to explain it.

There's all these other shades of light coming out of God that you can't even describe fully of what kind of light that is, but all of them say the word holy. So you're at front of a throne that's like lightning and wings and things going on. And then all these are the word, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, and different pitches and different sounds coming out of God's body out of his throne. Heaven is noisy. Wow. That's crazy.

Incredible. So what do you think happened? Did we lose the ability to see? Did we lose? What happened? Did we, did it was Satan an actual snake in the garden? what do you think how because we often wonder like yeah and then I have another question about the earth don't tell me forget okay I'll do my I'll do my best all right I'll do I'll do my best this is all over

the place I just love it that's how we roll it's like I just mix it up and see what happens you know yeah I love it you guys are asking questions my this is so fun because my my best friend asked me questions like we talk about these things all the time so I'm like it's amazing you know he's actually in the room with me and he's shaking his he's enjoying you guys. So yeah, so the, we did. We lost our ability to interact to see, you know, into these realms. Satan wanted to take that away because if we started to see into that spiritual world what things are and why they are the way they are, it would also show us what he's really like, you know, why Satan is the way he is. When you see him for how he is,

you're like, you begin to understand the scriptures in Isaiah when it says, and they will look down and they will say, is this the man that made the nations tremble? You know, we're going to come to an understanding of who we are in our identity and who we are an identity and our placement in the spiritual world and in the order that we'll look at Satan and say, whoa, man, a little Lucy there, you know? Yeah. So we did. And the Holy Spirit's working on us so that way we can see and believe. like guys, even the fact, like I just want to say this, you're amazing because you're asking the questions. And when you start asking the questions, you start to see. Like that. You know, that that is incredible. The fact that you're asking questions about the spiritual world and getting understanding is you actually moving into your identity as sons of God. Because you are supposed, like I said, lead, lead the surrounding realms and represent the

creator, you know? So that's incredible. So that actually is a segue, because I had a question, Nate. Don't forget yours, Nate, but. And we talk about in Deuteronomy 32 when God divided the nations among the, among the Elohim, the sons of God, right? And then we see Daniel and the messenger angel as to battle the prince of Persia. So do you, are you able to see like, our battle's not against flesh and blood, but against principalities? And we talk about, we know that these spiritual entities have dominion over over regional areas. Are you able to see that? Like when you walk like if you, I don't know what it is, you go across town or across the country.

Are you able to see the, the hill kind of dark or like the or whatever the entity or whoever's been given dominion, whatever's been given dominion? Or is that even that idea even accurate? Is that accurate? Yeah. It's actually very, yes. The gods of the nations. This is why you have riots and countries going against each other is because gods, you know, the gods and the nations want to rule. They were in the council of Yahweh.

So they understand that level of leadership authority. So, yeah, when I go into different countries or cities or things like that, I will see the spiritual beings that are there over that. Like, for example, went to I traveled to Zimbabwe and I encountered a battle literally over Zimbabwe between the angel, an angel literally trying to bring Zimbabwe into its destiny as a nation and that principality over it. And guys, guess what? When I flew into that nation, that angel powered up. Do you understand what I'm saying? You have authority to bring that, bring greater power to that angelic company just by being you. That's how incredible. you are to the angels that are fighting because I flew into Zimbabwe, you know, ready to do what

the Lord asked me to do. I was with the team. It empowered the angel to fight against even more that principality over that nation. It was binding and losing. It's the idea that we have the ability to, that's wild. So these, these Elohim, these sons of Ben Elohim, the sons of God, they are still operating over nation. in space, whether it be actual like literal political lines or not, they're operating. Yeah. And they have different names, you know, Molek and Baal and Ishtar, Aphrodite. They had all different names and did different things. But there, a lot of them are over things that are affecting the, the foundations of nations and countries. Like, for example, pornography is not just a demon.

It's actually an Elohim that is over sexual immorality. That's why. why it's so difficult to deal with. It's in, it's above. It's in the air. And it has other little trickle things under it working to do what it needs to do. It's like the horror Babylon. Yeah. So one of the questions I often think on our show is, what does Christ do in the spiritual realm? What does Christ's crucifixion do on that day? Besides, just reconcile us back to the family of God. What else happens do you think? He supposedly went and preached to the souls or to the spirits. Yeah, dude.

Nate, you asked this question a lot. This is one of your repeats. We've asked people, you asked Kaiser this, you asked Xer this, you ask, Ted, I mean. I just want to know. I feel like I get a vision when Christ is being crucified. Like, it's not just human beings there. It's like all kinds of, like, demonic creatures. Yes.

Like, that's what I feel like I see when I think of that. And then Christ obviously goes into the abyss for days on end. But I mean, we just speculate on our show. And so it's just good to get more details of what goes on. So I'm just curious. Oh, my goodness. This is a good. No one ever asked me these questions.

Okay. Welcome. You're part of the family now. I know. I'm like, this is so cool. Okay. This is great. So when he, yes.

So when he was crucified, it was actually a statement, a sight among all spiritual beings. So every spiritual being was around during that time. They all witnessed him, you know, crucified and died at that time. Now, demons, because there was so much, you know, power just in his blood at that time, they didn't last very long, honestly. You know, but the other spiritual beings, I will never forget. Oh, guys, how did I do this?

Help me, Holy Spirit. I'll never forget when the Lord showed me the cross and I've seen it and you know just that that experience. But I saw from perspective of the courtroom scene when father was looking down when father was looking at his son. I'll never forget seeing the council that served the Lord their expression because they had never imagined seeing God becoming a man. and then dying. When father ended up cursing the elehim and saying, you will die like men, they had no idea what that would look like.

But then, boom, they say, whoa, but you have God himself, the creator, become a man, and then die. So they didn't know. They didn't even know. And so their expression, their expression of seeing that, I'll never forget, they were shocked. They could not understand.

Well, we know that Satan didn't know because the temptation of Christ was that they didn't know that what Paul says. Yeah, they didn't know they could kill him or not. Yeah. He knew that whatever was going to happen. He's like, we got whatever. However this is going to look like, we got to stop it. You know, but he did that he did what he could. But yeah, even he didn't know. I mean, he had, he knew of a prophecy that one day, the child of a woman would one day, you know, defeat him. So that's why he's sacrificing base. Yeah. Getting rid of babies during the time of. when bail and moloch that whole sacrifice was trying to get rid of yeah egypt they did in egypt they didn't inherit did it they were always trying to get rid of yeah god god's brilliance in in in the atonement and redemption yes you utilizing that yes you know essentially because if the enemy knew that that was going to be the the the atonement redemption of of creation never would it never would have killed him yeah I know.

Yes, exactly. But yet there's so many prophecies, too. There's so many like allegories and stories. Yeah, but they thought he was, I mean, the whole idea was the Hebrews thought he was going to come and rule with an iron scepter and it was going to be this warrior that that led, that led Israel right into its world domination. That was like the idea.

And yet you had, you know, it was the lamb. It was the lamb of God. Well, that's what someone said on our show that that's why Satan tempted him with the kingdoms because he thought Satan thought he was going to set up shop and rule. Right, right. Oh, all these things with mine, you can have them, you know, because that's what you want to do, Jesus, right. Yeah, yeah.

And he had a different mission. Mm-hmm. A secret mission. Yeah, there you go. And there you go. Yeah, so, I mean, the spiritual beings, when they saw that, the good ones, and, you know, they, you know, the demons saw it and the Lucifer saw it, all of that. But what was, wow, incredible was when they, you know, the spiritual beings, and they, the good ones,

Jesus descended into hell and did all that stuff and, you know, and preach the souls there in Abraham's bosom and all that kind of stuff, which by the way, people think it was like he was on a rock. No, it was actually was a sphere, a place that was pretty dang on cool. You know, when Jesus ruined the demons, when he stood in that court, I will never forget it. Oh, my gosh, I got to see that and I just about peed my pants because I said, oh my goodness, this is incredible. incredible. Jesus stood up and they all the court, this, this, this, uh, court like area. And the demons were surrounding him and they're Satan. They're all like, yeah, we got them and knocking them and da da da, da, da, spitting all that kind of stuff. Jesus, I'll never, he had his hands

opened, he opened his hands and fire came out of him. And he literally spoiled them. It was like their faces went, because he just exploded in majesty and glory. They could not keep him there. They just could not. And so then, because Lucifer was on the ground, it was on the ground, whittling around like a worm, it was incredibly easy for him to just take the keys. He just took him. You know, he just literally took him.

You know, it's, he's incredible. Jesus is incredible. Spoiled them wrong. That's why I don't even know where to go from here. It's, yeah, we're too. It's so wow. But you were talking about, this is, this is awesome. like standing on a sphere

and mind me of my other question about the earth. We have a lot of people listen to the show. We feel like there's some sort of truth about the way our world is, whether it's a lot of flat earthers listen to our show. And we don't talk about that on the show, but a lot of people argue

about it on and off our channels. And a lot of people talk about hollow earth and how inside the earth there's something. So we don't, I don't, something seems like there's some truth there that we don't know. I don't know what it is. What do you think about that? What do you think about some of those topics? Are they distractions? Is there something about the Hollow Earth? Is there some sort of, I don't know.

We hear a lot of weird stuff on your show. Like there's places in Antarctica where beings live and there's a lot of weird stuff that comes up and we just. Admiral Bird, Nate, you know? Yeah, I know. That's a great question. Well, you guys are great. Yes. There is, yes, there are places inside inside the earth. Now, we will, we do not have to go there unless you guys literally bring me into that. But I, I, yes, the, what exactly is the earth? How it's fashioned, how it's made. Is it round? Is it flat? What is space? All of that kind of stuff. Let's just say, there is a reason why the crystal sea. When you go to, when you go to heaven and you see the Crystal C and God says that he will he will roll up this time like a sheet. Remember that?

Yeah. Yep. That is what it looks like. So you can interpret that however you like. Wow. Okay. Well, we talked to, you know, it's funny. We talked to Tim Mackey about this, Nate, like about the idea that there was the in between, which is where Eden was this place that between, where God walks and it was this convergence of of heaven and earth. Is it like a portal? Are there portals? Oh, yes. Eden was the most special place. Eden was unlike anything ever created.

It was exactly. It did exist in between. Eden was so special and so unique that the way God interacted with Adam and Eve was, it was, Eden was like an in between sphere, in between realm. place that existed. Yeah, so it was like a portal, if you want to call it that. Serafim with a flaming sword that guarded the entrance. And then all the rivers allegedly flowed down from Eden.

And you have this crazy. Because Nate, we talked about that people hypothesized. Maybe it was on top of a mountain and the realms would intersect. And then you had this garden, this mountain top garden that God planted. And then, you know, eventually we as humans found our way to get ourselves ejected. Yeah, that's actually pretty close. You know, the earth was supposed to be like the in between where all the other different realms and spiritual dimensions crossed through. So that's why you had such a supernatural trees.

That's why you had, you know, a seraphim, you know, the cherubim appear, you know, the cherubim appear guarding the tree of life. Because at that time, the earth was in the sense, it was like the focus point of our spiritual creatures and beings that come through. you know and we were supposed to give direction be so close with yahweh at that time be so intimate with him and knowing him that we were to give wisdom out you know we were eating from the tree of life the spiritual beings were eating from that tree of knowledge of good and evil you know so it was quite a unique place that even eating was a very unique place hmm the spiritual beings were eating from the tree from the tree of getting evil and we weren't supposed to eat of that tree we were eating from the tree of life but they could but they could never thought about it like that

I had a question for you. I just sort of thought on this because I don't know if you know, but like we've hypothesized on our show that the idea of immortality when it comes to the angelic race has to do with access to the tree of life. And that we have guessed that have hypothesized that when there was a rebellion and the separation of this, part of the angelic race that went, you know, that left, that they were now denied access to the tree of life. So in some ways they're slowly dying.

maybe epically slower than our vapor of a life, but that being the source of, I don't know, it sounds cheesy, but it's like the, what am I thinking of? Fountain of youth. Fountain of youth. That's what I'm thinking of. Oh, fountain of youth.

Essentially like the fountain of youth where, you know, if you're able to have access to the tree and eat, then you live forever. Like God would be in eternal, beginning in the end, he doesn't obviously need to, but there's this mechanism, But what do you think about that? Is that just sci-fi stuff? Or do you think that there's some truth to the angelic race having essentially being immortal in the with because of access and the fallen, you know, I'm, I don't know, almost like, you know, X-Men. They're slowly dying because, you know, they're they don't self-heal as fast, right? Yeah.

So, you know, we're real, we're friends, right? You know, but absolutely, yes. So that those, the angels, yes, the immortality, they're blessed with that immortality. And then those who had lost access and had fallen, yes, they are slowly dying, decaying, rotting. So they look much more, if like if you saw them, you know, when they had fallen and then you see them now, you would see definitely a difference in what they look like. They are decaying, continually. So that's a decaying in death.

Is that the accumulation of sin and corruption alongside, like in the spiritual, alongside maybe actual, like, I don't know, metaphysical death, I would, I guess we have to say because it's not physical in the sense. So it's interesting. The spiritual world or realm has an understanding of death where, you know, we see, you know, in our dimension, we see death is, you know, death. But they have an understanding of death that's slightly different. To them, death is leaving the original function, the original order, leaving the original

place. So to them, death, the fallen angels are dying, decaying, experiencing a death because they are being removed from their original created order and they continue to move away from that. And we talk about Psalm 80, we talk about Psalm 802 and they would die like men. That's the finality, though, right? Is that there's the judgment is the eternal finality. So what happens to the dead in Christ then because we talked about like, you know, there are multiple times when the Bible makes it sort of confusing, you know, like, you know, like they're asleep, but then they come back to, you know, they come, they get woken up from there. Are they in paradise that day? Well, you know. Yes. So this is great. So yes. So those who are, you know, who their bodies are dead here.

yes, they are at there with the Lord. They're up there with the Lord. You can, you can see them. You can talk to them. They are amazing. But when they descend with Jesus, when they come and we meet him in the air, you know, all that kind of stuff, it's going to be awesome because we will be raised, but we'll get a body like Jesus. Because Jesus is the only one that has a resurrected body, you know, a physical, resurrected perfect body. Everybody else, the other humans, or if you want to say that in heaven, in our spiritual bodies. But we one day will be transformed and we will appear in the blink of eye, we will be like he is.

And we'll have a new physical body. A new beautiful physical body. So those that are, that will be raised, will meet him and join him in the air and they will have a new physical body. I hope mine is jacked. One person asked me, they said,

well, what happens if you're cremated? And I said, well, you know, He will gather your ashes together. You know, like, it's not going to stop him, you know. You know, people ask me those questions. That's funny. Well, I mean, yeah. It's a question.

It's our not to, sure. I mean, I've, I've contemplated that for it. I think on one episode, someone talked about that. So what all the creatures of the old, like, all the mythical creatures that they're, that are described through Greek mythology and all these other things are, those things actually existed. They exist. Yeah, bro.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. And mythology isn't what we think it. It's not like stories. It's preservation of history. Yes.

In a story form that we can continue to say forever. So some of these. And how long do you think that the golden age lasted, the age of the Nephilim? How long was that going on? Do you know? It went on long enough for the earth to be filled with blood. So that's a very, very long time. You know, to point to where they'd be overpopulated.

They were overpopulating the humans, you know, that, you know, they had to be destroyed. They had to, they had to be wiped out because it just went on for too long, you know. It's ancient. It went on for so long. Some people think, you know, like, oh, seven years. Like, no, it went on a long time, enough time to where the technology that humans use to do everyday life, homes and, you know, food, culture, all those kind of things. we gained and gleaned from the watchers, you know. And so that is, we're in a different time zone.

The process of time is different for us than it is for them. So earth time, if you want to say, is a long time, you know, to have these things, you know, the nephalum that age to exist. Yeah. So, I mean, that's a question I've always thought is like, what did the nephalum have that we don't have? What were they really able to tap into? Yeah. Yeah. So the Nephlin, they had incredible power. They had also supernatural power to, well, let's say that, you know, the Tower of Babel. That was definitely, you know, a man of renown. I can't remember the name of that man who influenced the people to build a tower. Nimrod.

Nimrod. Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yes. Nimrod. You know, so they were giving, given supernatural abilities, supernatural understanding. you know, to build culture, to build things like that. So they had some level of power. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, we talk about it a lot on the show, but we don't really know. Because obviously the ancient construction is just so much better than ours. And it seems like the original, like the first generation of these chimera of angels and humans, the nephalum.

Yeah. It seems like they had more concentrated version of angelic DNA. Like you said in the beginning of the episode, it's all about the blood, right? And then over time, it sort of slowly decreases. Yeah. And then we talk about how they're here in America building mounds. And the giants were here in our backyard, you know. Oh, boy now.

Yeah, yes, yes, yes. They're there, yep, they're still doing her thing. I remember I asked another seer guy about that. I said, because I just wanted to pick his brain and see like, I said, what do you think about like the Nephelin, the, you know, the giants? Do you still think they're around or they were? And he looked at me and whenever he said, oh, oh, yeah. He was like, oh, yeah, they're much more recent than we think.

And they're still trying to do their thing. And he said, they're just supernatural. He said, Micah, he looked at me. He said, what if they slip in and out between the physical world and you know what the realm you see and they're in theirs because they have the ability to do that? that's how, is that how they came back? Because it says, you know, they were there before and after. Mm-hmm. So how did they, how did some of them survive the flood? That's always a.

Yeah, man. That's always a question. Yeah, I mean, there's so many, there's so many questions. We appreciate it. I think like we could go on forever. I, my last question is when you're, when you're talking to these angels and having these conversations with them, does it feel like, like, I think you kind of, you kind of answered this earlier, so they had their own personalities. but do you feel like they have a sense of independence like they you know there's like ones that joke there's ones that you know there's ones that are I guess the personality and in communicating with them I always just wonder like what's the most bizarre conversation you've had with an angel because it sounds like you talk to him quite a bit what's the one that

just the one conversation you had that you just tops them all well um one okay you asked the question let's go let's go okay i mean and this sounds may sound so unspiritual but what it meant to me and now i have to include it in when the lord has been teaching places it comes from this but i want like i can seem so unspiritual but you know i'm using the bathroom and uh they both supposed play games on her phone then you're just talking to angels you know what you know i'm using the bathroom you know it's taking me a minute in it, you know, and an angel walks into the bathroom, you know, and he started to say, okay, he started to say to me, you know, you know, you finish, you know, you take care of yourself,

but he started to say me, he said, wow, he said, you got some floaters. You got some floaters right there. And I said, yes, and he said, sometimes people, you know, repentance means you need. to keep flushing. It's sometimes it's not a lesson. It's a lesson. It was a lesson and we're talking about turds. Oh my gosh. And I said, okay, Lord.

You know, these guys, you are so unpredictable. You fit this show perfectly, my friend. Yeah, you know, and I love it that. Some churches may not like that. So I hold that story to myself. You know, you're like, what? You know, well, I love that. I love that.

Because, I mean, that's a level of vulnerability and humility. Yeah. which I think is very important for what you do. Yes. Because you probably get a lot of skeptical people. Yes. Yes. And obviously on our show, everyone's, we just,

Luke and I don't have that. Mm-hmm. We just listen to people and let them share their stories and we don't have that like. We don't debate people. Yeah. Or discredit. Like discredit because in this space, it's not a. It's not helpful.

It's not helpful. And also like, how we can't, we can't just. we can't, we really can't discredit a lot of people if there's their research or their, yeah, no, anyway. But yeah, do you get that a lot? I mean, you probably, yeah. I had to get over real quick when people, you know, when people would just be like, oh, this dude's crazy.

And you know what? I don't blame them. I know I sound crazy. Like, I get it. It's not, it's not a, I mean, this is different. It sounds crazy right now because this is not something we're used to, you know, but I know what the Lord has shown me. And my relationship with Jesus has to be the foundation because when you're faced with the doubt

or the unbelief or the discredit or the criticism, that can really direct and lead your life. But I have to find my identity in Jesus. I have to know who I am. Come on. Because then when they say those kind of things to me, I'll say, no, that's, I know who I am in Jesus, you know? Yeah. How much would you say your information comes from the Bible versus what you've been told,

directly from by God and visions. That's a, yeah, that's a great question. You know, I believe from this, I tell, I tell every seer or student as a fact, I was telling them yesterday, never use your encounters to create theology. Because when you do that, it ends, you, you don't know everything. Even though I have seen a ton of things, I only have two eyes and I have a tiny brain, you know, and I can only know so much what the Lord reveals to me. So that's where his grace has to come in.

you know a key point in keeping yourself aligned with God's heart in any sphere in any place you see when no matter what any how many dreams you have visions you have or angels you talk to study the word of God study the word of God make that a practice because that is the foundation of everything I don't care if I am seeing dragons okay my main thing is to study the word of God. And I don't, I don't, I'm not in charge of how God, where God takes me and where he shows me. I love it. Tell him to take wherever he wants to go. But I'm sitting here reading Psalms 91 and then I have this encounter with a big white eagle and other creatures, you know, but that started because I took time to open up God's word and let it fill my heart. And that is

what creates that place of supernatural encounters. Wow. I've got, I have one final question. question. Then we'll get out of your hair. But what do believers look like in the spiritual room? Oh, dude. That's your final question. I mean, that's, you can. I just want to know. I want to know what I love it, man. I love it. What do they look like? Man, we know when it says that you are children of light, that is a real thing. When I see people, the Lord will allow me to see people who know him, who love him, and they are bright. And it makes sense when he's the father. of lights, you're like, he is the brightest of the lights of any light. And that makes sense for him to be the brightest and you being an image bearer to carry that brightness, to carry that brightness.

So what we look like, we look like light. We are stunning. We have the presence of God coming out of our fingertips. You know, when you worship, guys, when you worship and you sing to God, just when you sing to him, it is like worship and sound. is color that comes from you. You know, the sound you can see it, it's color. It's these vibrant colors, even colors that I don't exist here on this planet come out of our bodies and they go up into the air and Jesus will be present. And your song or your prayer or your action of worship and that light coming out of you

gets on his robe and he wears your praise. He wears your worship and he shows it off among the. Angelic Beans in Heaven. Look, look at what these guys saying to me today. Look at what they said to me today. I'm wearing it. I'm wearing that light. It's amazing. Wow. Micah, thank you so much. You're welcome. Thank you guys. We'll have to have you back on. This is fun. This was so fun, man. Thanks for just sharing your gift, man. You know, I just think it's amazing and fascinating that like, you know, God gives us the gives, gives people certain gifts and to have them using for the kingdom.

But then just to always, I mean, what you said, I think is so profound before I asked my dumb question was that it was like that everything does come back and it has to be foundationally rooted in the word of God, right? And that's the well-spoken truth, right? And life. I mean, that's, so thank you for, dude, thank you just for dropping knowledge on us and humor and a couple dummies that like to ask questions. So, hey, we at that, that people who ask questions are my favorite because the man, that's where that's where it's at.

Ask the questions. What if? What is this about? What is this like? And God explodes, man. He's like, sure, you asked them. Oh, can I pray for you guys? Yes.

And just like bless your journey and seeing in the spirit realm and and what God wants to shoot. Because I believe God wants to give everybody dreams and visions, you know, of, of his glory and those kind of things. So do you mind if I do that? That okay? Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. So, Father, I just, I bless them in Jesus name.

Lord, I thank you that they will have their own encounters with God, Lord. I thank you that they are ones that will see you face to face. They will know you heart to heart and connect to you, heart to heart. And I just released the anointing of God over both of you, the presence of God over both of you. And Lord, I bless their mission. I bless their vision, God, to reveal the things of the spirit, to raise up sons who are knowledge, who have understanding of the spirit in Jesus' name. God, thank you for their own encounters with you because you love them.

You see them. You know them and you want to go deeper with them. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Bless you, brother. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome.

Fire. Get some of that fire. Let's go. Yeah, dude. Yeah. We've been on a journey on this podcast. It's rocked our worlds. It's taught us things we never thought.

We would learn. We've heard some wild stuff on this show. but this is just a great, great episode to throw in there and help people who, a lot of people we get to a certain place, where we have a lot of faith.

Yeah. And then we start to doubt because we think, oh, that stuff is just too crazy. And we go back to the materialistic worldview. And we give up on our faith because we just don't see how much we just don't understand

and don't know and how, but this whole episode just feels like the world is more like a Marvel movie than we realize Yes. And that is why, and you get to see it. You get to see that Marvel movie all the time, man. No wonder you're pulling your car over. Yeah, dude.

So many times, bro. What's going on? But how can people, how can people get involved with you and follow you and learn more with what you're doing? Sure. Okay. Let's see. I have a website. It is www. Beholdwonder. See, I have to be going on my thing about, I have a Facebook page. Micah Turnbull. You can find me on Facebook, Micah Turnbow,

website Beholdwonder.com. I also have Instagram. It's the same thing, Behold Wonder. Just type in Behold Wonder. So I'm on, and a YouTube, which is also Behold Wonder. So you type in Behold Wonder

and YouTube and all those stuff you'll be able to find me. Sure. And I'm always writing. I always have to write. It's like Facebook is, you know, my Facebook page is literally like my journal.

I'm just, this is what I experienced today. This is what happened yesterday. And yeah. Love it. Well, Mike, if you ever want to talk Creates, pictures again let us know we'd love to learn more. It's been a blast man. Thank you so much.

Absolutely. Thanks for taking us on that journey. I want to see some of this stuff too, man. Maybe you'll see Bigfoot next, you know. Right. Who knows? Let us know let us know if he's funny if he's got jokes. I will definitely let you know. The Lord has been showing these stuff, man. I'm like, okay, I'll write about it. There we go. Let's go. You guys are long. Thank you for receiving me. yeah thanks for your time brother it was awesome well thanks man

appreciate you're welcome alright later later