Blurry Creatures - EP: 90 Stargates with Tim Alberino

Episode Date: February 22, 2022

Tim Alberino returns to the Blurryverse. What began as a discussion on NASA and their employment of clergy by proxy for alien disclosure turned into a wide-ranging discussion of stargates, UFOs, and extraterrestrials. Are there thin places in the world? Can off-earth entities come through portals, wormholes, or stargates to access our world? Join us on another journey through the fringe and unknown in a way that Tim Alberino can deliver. With an extremely practical philosophy on the blurry, Tim unwraps the unexplained and paranormal things happening in the world right now. We get his take on NASA, the moon landing, and tangential topics relating to an imminent alien disclosure and how that might relate to the end of days.  Guest: timothyalberino.com contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And the monster, you know, took off running in some direction or something. Again, that would explain a lot because then you could have blurry creatures coming through these portals, these stargates. You know, you could have creatures that come from other parts of the universe. You could have creatures that come from the interior of the earth from anywhere. From anywhere. Hey, welcome back to blurry creatures. Thanks so much for tuning into our podcast. Week after week, we're getting more emails from you guys talking about how much you enjoy the show, how much it means to you.

And this week, we're going to have Tim Alberino back on. And he's been a repeated guest on the show many times. And we have some exciting news that we're going to be doing. We're going to be at his conference coming up in Nashville. So we'll be talking about that on this episode, but Tim's great. Tim is super generous at his time with us. So go to his website, get a ticket if you want to see us, hanging out with him at his conference here in Nashville,

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The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right to bust the paradigm, it all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon event. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal.

All right. Welcome back to the show, Tim. We love having you on. You and Dr. Jed Burton are fighting for the most returned guests on blurry creatures. Let's fight to the death. We've talked about your book, Birthright, and you've got some cool stuff coming up. You're going to be in our backyard here in Tennessee. That's right.

So welcome back to the show, Tim, and maybe tell listeners what you got going on before we kick off this episode. Well, it's great to be back with you guys. I always have fun conversing with you. I am doing a conference from May 6th through 7th in Nashville, Tennessee. Let's go. The conference is called the Birthright Conference, and we're going to be discussing transhumanism, aliens, UFOs, and the Bible. and I'll be speaking a lot at the conference. It is my conference after all.

I would hope so. And I'm going to be joined by Joe Ellen, who's an expert on transhumanism, and maybe some people in your audience will recognize Joe Allen from Steve Bannon's Warroom podcast. Joe is Steve's correspondent on transhumanism. And I've been talking to Joe, you know, I've gotten. to know Joe over the last month and he's absolutely brilliant. I literally don't know anybody anywhere who knows as much about transhumanism who is as well-versed in transhumanism as Joe Ellen. It's hard to know more about the topic than that guy. Wow. So he's got some

amazing information he's going to be presenting at the conference. And there's likely going to be some other people also showing up to the conference that I might be announcing later. So let's go. Right here and are your backyard, Nathan. Yeah. I'm excited about it. Yeah, very excited. And we're going to be there. We are going to be there, Nate. We're going to be there. So the blurry bros are going to be at the conference. Exactly right, Tim.

You can count on us. My dad's going to be real jealous. My dad's reading your book, Tim, and he's like, I'm going to let him know. Yeah, he's a slow reader. Come on. He's listing right now, too. Come on, Ed. Pick it up.

There's a lot of depth in that book. He's taking his time. He's trying to digest it. Bring him to the conference. No, I need to. Let's go. Absolutely. By the way, you can get tickets to the conference for the audience.

They get tickets to the conference. By going to my website, Timothyabrino.com, you'll see a banner, follow the banner. It'll take you over to the page. We can purchase your tickets. We're also doing a VIP dinner event the night before. So on the evening of the 6th, the conference is the 7th. This special VIP event is happening the night before. It's a dinner.

It's going to be me and my guests, including Luke and Nate. And so that's available also. It's only going to be 30 guests. So if you want to be a part of that, the VIP dinner, event, you can get, you can purchase that as well on the same, on the same site. We, in general admission is included in that as well as, uh, some preferred seating and some other things. So if you want to go, I mean, tickets are going to go fast for this thing. And, uh, so if you want to go, go get your tickets. Get them. Yeah. Let's do it. Come on.

Get them. Come hang with, came out with Nate and I and Tim and come on down. Dude, I'm pumped. I'm pumped. Dude, we get to hang in person. This is going to be fun. My, my favorite thing to do at these conferences to just is to hang out with people yeah yeah i i enjoy speaking but i really like talking to people meeting people and hanging out and you know smoking cigars or whatever else and and um yeah and so you know this is a great opportunity for your audience if they want to meet you guys and meet me and meet joe allen and the other people who are going to be coming and i don't live in nashville but but i hear it's beautiful in may so let's go yeah it's right that's the time to be here It is.

Right before all of the humidity rolls in. You start sweating out your weight in water. Yeah, Montana. Montana, I can have six feet of snow in the beginning of you may. You never know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We got to get up there, too, Nate.

I want to get to Montana to do some fishing. So we got to go see Tim. We'll just do it. We'll do like a swap. You come down to see us. We'll go see you somewhere. You want to catch some trotting rivers around here. I'm your man.

Let's go. There's some megolids in Montana, too. Try to get that lady on the show. You know, I never, I've never, I've heard that. and I've had people send me lots of images and local people talk to me about it. And it's only about an hour, hour and a half drive from my house. And I haven't gone there. I was going to go last year and I just never got around to it.

But it's hard to tell from images if what you're looking at are megaliths or if they're artificial, if it's an artificial construction or if it's a natural formation. You have to go and you have to really take a good look at it. It's a good idea also to bring a geologist with you. and that way you can you can rule out the the natural origin. So I have no idea what if there are, if there are megaliths, I'll say this. If those are megaliths, they're huge.

They're like on the scale of Soxiawaman in Peru. So if those are megaliths, they're massive. And it would be quite the discovery. So I do plan on going over there this year and taking a look. Although I have to be honest with you, I'm kind of doubtful that they are. My first impression is that they're natural, they're naturally occurring.

There's definitely some that look like Dolmans. And there's this girl, Julie Ryder, trying to get her on the show. She's got a, it's like Megaliths in Montana or something website. She's been doing study for years trying to get her on the show. But she's like, you have to come to Montana to interview me. I'm like, uh. And then I'll come fishing with Tim Albrino and then go interview with this lady. Yeah.

So we'll have to go hang out with Tim and then. Fishing in Megalitz. What she's really saying is she's going to kidnap Nate. So don't send him there alone. the little people. Hey, so Tim, Tim, it's great to have you back and have you on. And, you know, you talked, it's interesting.

Your, your spiel on, on what the conference is going to be about, you know, transhumanism. We've talked about transhumanism, aliens, we've talked about that and UFOs. But having you back, one of the things I really want to talk about that was in the news, especially in December, and we haven't touched at all, was the NASA revelation, shall we say, that they hired two dozen theologians in a NASA-funded program to essentially assess or try to figure out how the populace would react to disclosure or contact, right? And we know that there's been this slow but really picked up disclosure by our government of

UFOs, from the acknowledgement to these Tic Tac videos and what the Navy is now saying. And so it's seeping out, but this was especially interesting, considering it was, this Princeton funded study with the world's major religions, and I really want to talk with you about this, because we've covered a lot of the things around this, but this seems to hit, like, right into that narrative, right? Nate, we talked about this with, gosh, it's come up a few times in our talk. I remember we had old Scott Walter on. He basically just spit it out there and was like, you know, he was saying, oh, they're already here and they're, and they want to, you know, they're going to make sure we don't destroy each other. It's that same narrative. They

I don't know if it's ancient aliens or whatever it may be, but there's this narrative. So Tim, I want to just unwrap some of this with you because this was in the news. This is not just a fringe topic. This was on a number of major news outlets saying that there was some disclosure that this had happened. And they're collecting, you know, who knows what kind of clergy, but they're collecting his clergy to essentially advise on this eminent contact. Well, there's some misunderstanding about this, about this incident that's, that's been getting fact checked all over the place. I think I might have, I think I retweeted or shared something on Instagram or, or Twitter. By the way, I'm back on Twitter. I haven't really announced it.

I just sort of quietly came back on Twitter. So if people want to follow me on Twitter, they can do that. Again, I shared or retweeted an article discussing this topic that was posted by Joe Rogan. like a month ago. And I got this notice, and I think it was Instagram. I can't remember for Instagram or Twitter. I think it was Instagram. And I got this notice that I might have, how did they say it? I might have retweeted, you know, it was telling me, you may have retweeted misinformation or something, which was weird that they would like tell me that. And it was the Joe Rogan. It was the article that Joe Rogan had posted. And so what they're debunking, what they're the debunkers out there. Now all the major newspapers. I got an article in front of me here from the

Associated Press that's debunking the NASA claim. It's true that the details, most people are getting the details wrong about this story because NASA didn't directly hire theologians. Okay. NASA didn't directly hire theologians. NASA operates like, you know, NASA is a quasi government organization. So they operate like the government. They hire, they contract with different companies and they'll contract with the company for general purpose, but the specifics of what that company does is the prerogative of the company. So NASA contracted with the center of theological inquiry at Princeton in New Jersey for a program to study the potential societal impact of finding life beyond Earth. So because it wasn't NASA directly that was paying

these theologians that contracted with them directly, you have these news organizations out they're working overtime to debunk this story, which is kind of ridiculous because they're missing the point. The point isn't whether or not NASA directly contracted with these theologians. The point is that NASA is interested in the potential societal impact of finding life beyond earth. That's the point. That's the story. That's the headline. The details are irrelevant. I don't care if NASA hired the theologians directly or Princeton hired the theologians. Yeah. The end goal is the same. NASA wants to know how people are going to react to the revelation that there is extraterrestrial life, most probably sentient extraterrestrial life, because there would be no theological impact, really, if we discovered amoebas on Mars. Right.

I don't think that would cause a crisis of faith in any religion. So obviously the implication here is that we're talking about sentient extraterrestrial life, conscious, intelligent life. And one could guess, speculate why the reasons why NASA might be interested in this. But I think that it's, I think that there's a strong possibility that NASA knows there's going to be an inevitable disclosure in the future of intelligent. sentient extraterrestrial life. And certainly we're seeing those indications from the Pentagon. So I don't think it's any coincidence that the Pentagon has its atyp program running that we all know now that it was running that program, which was an investigation into aerial phenomenon, right, unidentified aerial phenomenon that the UAPs, which are just UFOs, another way of saying UFOs,

that corresponding with that study at the Pentagon that you have NASA out there because this happened back in 2015. So it was running concurrent with that program. NASA is consulting with theologians. Yes, indirectly fine. Indirectly consulting with theologians through Princeton to find out how society is going to react to the disclosure of extraterrestrial life. That's the point. That's the headline. And it's just comical to me that all these are, and it's not just the associated press.

I mean, for the last two weeks, actually, this story came out, what, a month ago or so? In December, right for Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, right. So since then, it's like all the major news organizations have been out there trying to debunk it. But they're all missing the point. They're debunking that particular detail.

That happens all the time. Yeah, it's a technicality. Yeah, they're trying to, like, get you on a technicality. Like, it's like dark money or something. Like, you're like, it wasn't, they didn't wear NASA t-shirts, but NASA paid for it. Right, Nate? Precisely, yeah. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site,

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don't want. Why is that you think, Tim? Why do you think that they're trying to discredit this? Because quote-unquote conspiracy theories are running wild with it. That's why. And there's just that knee-jerk reaction to want to fact. check everything that gets picked up by Joe Rogan for one thing. And then by a host of other people who these fact checkers are keeping their eye on, these semi-divine infallible fact checkers.

Well, do you think, do you think that there's certain parts of the government that want disclosure and there's other parts of the government don't want disclosure? And they're like fighting against each other? No, I think that, I think we've talked about this before on your show. But I think that what's happening is, is two things are happening. One, there's an acceleration in UFO activity. The UFOs are becoming, I don't want to scribe sentience to the craft, the beings in the craft, are becoming more aggressive. They're taking a hostile posture. They are hovering over our secret military installations, for example, with infunity.

There's nothing we can do about it. They've been harassing, to some degree, you can call it harassing because any object that gets in close enough proximity to one of our battleships or one of our aircraft carriers, the military is going to consider that a harassment, any foreign object. I mean, that's like you trying to fly a drone over a battleship that's at sea. You know, they'll shoot your drone down and then come try and catch you and imprison you for doing that. You can't do that.

So, of course, UFOs, these alien entities that are navigating the craft are harassing, to some extent, the U.S. military and probably other militaries around the, the earth, harassing them in the sense that they are, they're following them. They're tailing them, I guess is the right terminology. They're tailing our craft, our fighters. They're tailing our aircraft and our ships. That's the first problem is you have this, you have this more aggressive posture that the entities are taking for some reason. And then you have the other problem, which is everybody has smartphones now. The airmen and the seamen, they all have smartphones. And so I think the Pentagon at this point just realizes that there's just no way they can cover this up like they have in the past.

The Pentagon has had an ironclad policy of disclosure for many decades. And just in the last few years, they have been loosening their grip, so to speak. Question of UFOs in beginning to make admissions, astonishing admissions, regarding the reality of the phenomenon. Well, I've heard several people come on podcasts and say, you know, several channels saying they're working with the government trying to disclose it. They just don't know how to do it. Who's working with the government trying to disclose? I remember listening to Tom DeLong from To the Stars Academy, his whole thing. And he was saying that the deep state and several government agencies have partnered with his company trying to... No, I don't think so. Tom DeLong's organization, I think, is faltering, let's say. I think what he means is that he was working with individuals. who were highly placed in the military, whistleblowers who were coming forth and wanting to try and encourage the government, the Pentagon, to come clean with what they know about UFOs.

The problem is that, and I've said this many times, and in fact, I talked to Richard Dolan about this the other month, and I considered Richard Dolan to be the premier euthologist alive today. And he certainly knows more about the UFO cover up by the national security state. He wrote a book. He wrote several books, volumes of books on the national security states cover up of UFOs. And he agrees that with my assessment that because the information related to UFOs is so highly compartmentalized, one can't really say that the Pentagon is doing this or the Pentagon is doing that as it pertains to UFOs. It's individuals within the Pentagon who have a need to know. regarding UFOs.

That's and those individuals don't necessarily know more than we do. Those individuals in some cases probably know less than most than so, let's say, than the best euphologists. They're working with the same data for the most part. Of course, they're going to have footage that we haven't, that we've never seen. They're going to have incidents that are not reported to the public, especially related to their aircraft and their sea craft. But for the most part, they're working with the same.

same information we have. Then, on a much deeper level, and people, people refer to the deep state. Well, I think I'm going to coin a term today with you guys. I'm going to refer to a group of individuals who are part of the dumb state. And by that, I mean D-U-M-B, deep underground military base state. Because that's a whole other world. That's a whole other jurisdiction, a world of black ops and black budget projects that probably 99% of the people working at the Pentagon have no idea about. There's probably only a handful of people at the Pentagon who have access to the deep underground military bases and the maglev train that connects them to one another, the magneto levitton train, which by the way can go coast to coast in half an hour.

We're talking New York. We're talking New York to San Francisco in like 28 minutes or something. Tim, how do we get on that train? They got a Bozeman. Let's get it for Bozeman in Nashville. You just don't get a, you don't come back. But, you know, so what I'm trying to, what I'm trying to illustrate here is that just because it's the Pentagon doesn't mean that these are the people who are who really know what's going on with UFOs. The Pentagon is mainly concerned with national security threats and the defense of the United States, conventional threats.

They're thinking about China and they're thinking about Russia and they're thinking about Russia. and they're thinking about the other adversaries of the United States. And these days, they're thinking about, quote-unquote, right-wing insurrectionist probably more than those other threats. And they're not privy to the information that the private contractors have. Remember, there's something called a Freedom of Information Act. And so we still have a right, and we still have the ability as citizens, to file a Freedom of Information Act.

And in most cases, at least in many cases, the government has to cough up information when we do that if it's done properly through the proper channels and if enough pressure is brought to bear. And there's organizations out there that do this all the time. And that's how you end up getting leaks, not leaks. You end up getting admissions from the government that otherwise they would not want to make. And so how do you get around a freedom of information request? Well, the best way to get around that is to use private contractors. Because if the government is contracting with a private entity. Let's say an entity that develops aerospace vehicles. Lockheed Martin or something, right? Like Lockheed Martin, that's right. So if the government is working with, or the RAND Corporation, but let's say if the government is working with Lockheed Martin, and it's within those classified projects that not only are they studying UFOs,

they're way beyond studying UFOs, they're reverse engineering, the recovered, the crash retrievals. Bob Lazar talked about that, yeah, about how they're... Yeah, they're deriving technology from the crash retrievals. They're recovering the bodies or maybe even have in the past recovered live bodies of these alien entities, the grays mainly. So to finish the thought, if I were to file a Freedom of Information Act, file a request asking for information about the government's, you know, is the government, and it has to be specific, it can't be general. I mean, you can't just file out of the blue some kind of a request that has nothing, really not based on any kind of, nothing, anything tangible, then you're not going to get a response from the government because no one's going to take it seriously. But if you do it right, you know, and you're working with the right group of lawyers and you know what you're doing, the government is obliged to answer you.

And so if I were to ask them, you know, we have indications and here are the indications spelled out in our request that you are likely in possession of extraterrestrial materials from a crash for. retrieval. Well, the government has plausible deniability because they are not, it's just like, it's just like NASA with these theologians. They're not directly overseeing the operation. They're contracting with a private organization. It's like, it's like the operations they do overseas. Precisely. It's just, it's mercenaries. It's a shell game. And so it's like, oh, and we, we don't have a Freedom of Information Act that pertains to private, and to private corporations. So that's one of the reasons, one of the primary reasons, why the government contracts out its most top secret, important. And I would also add dastardly projects to these corporations.

When I say dastardly, I mean projects related to things that are unethical. And I'm not even just talking about the recovery of alien crash retrievals. I'm talking about the black hole here. We talk about human trafficking and drug running and all kinds of things that are probably. elements of the government are involved in from the CIA to the NSA to all the other agencies in the government doing these insidious things that if the public were to find out, we would be appalled. We would call for the dismantling of that agency. And so they hide it behind this wall, this dead end in terms of trying to gather information. You hit the dead end of a private

corporation. And you can't go any further. There's no leverage. There's no leverage over them to have them disclose anything. You don't have any right to know what. the RAND Corporation is developing for the government, not only because it's top secret, but because they're a private organization. And they don't have to tell you what they're doing, even though they're using taxpayer money to do it. And that's another reason why some of these agencies, part of their modus operandi, to get around to circumvent some of this oversight, is to try and acquire funds that don't come directly through the government, that don't come directly through the taxpayer. Because if, let's say the CIA, if the CIA can acquire its own funds,

or at least, you know, they'll get funds from the government to fund their day-to-day operations, their pencil pushers and so forth at the Bureau, right? Or the FBI, for example. But if they want to conceal operations, even from Congress, then the best way to do that is to find their own source of revenue. Then they don't have to tell you, you know, Jack Schute. It's just like this, it's the whole COVID-19 thing, too, with the NIH and everybody else funding this, gain of function and the government stays hands off, but it, it's the idea they're creating

this essentially bio-weapons. So that's another here nor there, but I love what you're saying. But it begs a question that I want to ask about this because it's the narrative, right? So you made a great point that everybody has a cell phone. And so there's content and information that flows that government can't control. So how much of what we're seeing with the UFO disclosure, do you believe this is your opinion, obviously, do you believe is because they've got to stay somewhere in front of this flow of information they can't control, which is people taking videos. Yeah, that's it.

But how much... I think that's it. How much do you think of that, then, is a concerted effort to push a narrative as well? Like, I mean, like, the narrative that we're talking about that now relates to this whole clergy NASA thing, which is, one could posit is sort of this conditioning to prepare for this alien encounter or alien disclosure, right? I don't think NASA wanted the public to know that they were contracting with, I don't think they were trying to hide it necessarily, but I don't think that they wanted to highlight it, that they were contracting with the center of theological inquiry in Princeton. Interesting.

I don't think they really wanted that publicized precisely because of the effect that's happening. So the Pentagon is in a little bit of a different position because this is just an inquiry from NASA, but the Pentagon has to deal with a national. security threat. So it's a different ballgame with the Pentagon. I mean, everybody with a brain knows that if you have an unidentified object buzzing a battleship in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, that's a problem. Yeah. That's a problem. Now, even if it's not the Chinese and the Russians, I mean, it's a big problem. If it's the Chinese and the Russians, and they can do it with impunity, right? That's a big problem for us. But it's an even bigger problem. If you have no idea who it is, and the technology being deployed is vastly superior to anything that you have.

That's a frustrating problem for the Pentagon because not only can you not stop it from happening, you don't have an answer. You don't have recourse. There's nothing you can tell the public to give them some kind of an assurance that we have a way to deter any kind of hostile activity that might be happening with these UAPs, as they're calling them now. And they're calling them UAPs because they just don't want the baggage that comes with UFOs. You know, when you say UFO, you're dealing with a phenomenon that people understand

is very likely extraterrestrial or extra-dimensional or ultra-terrestrial, whatever you like. But it's non-human, is the point. So they change the terminology to try and drop some of that baggage. And that's why I don't like to use the terminology. the term unidentified aerial phenomenon because it's not a different phenomena than that that's been happening for the last few decades. It's the very same phenomenon. There's this another show game. Yeah. Jell game. That's what they do. That's what they do. It's bureaucracy. But this is a very sinister level of bureaucracy because as I said, you know, we're not talking about the deep state. We're

talking about the dumb state. I just want to use that term again because I'm coining it here on your show. Yeah, you see you've got multiple bureaucracies working together. I mean, not working together. Some of them are doing their own thing. I think some people think like it's a beast with many heads. If you're chasing data down instead of seeing it in one place, you need the Intuit ERP. Intuit Enterprise Suite. All your data in one place with built-in AI for real-time insights.

Learn more at intuit.com slash ERP. So you think that because we're filming more with our cameras and our cell phones and We can see more. It's pushing the envelope, begging the question. We've got to do something about it. So they're going around trying to ask theologians like, okay, so how do we roll this out? Well, that's NASA. NASA may or may not be colluding with elements of the Pentagon. They may or may not be. NASA may be finding its own information. They may be making their own discoveries apart from the government, apart from the military industrial complex. And realizing that disclosure, is inevitable. And they also, being NASA, want to get in front of it. Because if you're not in front of it, you're behind it. And if you're behind it, it makes you look like a liar. And we're seeing, we're already seeing the distrust of our institutions. People are losing trust in institutions and are becoming disillusioned with nearly every institution you can think of, especially governmental institutions,

but the media. And NASA is still one of those institutions that has, in the eyes of the public, it has a lot of credibility still. And I don't, and I think they want to make sure that they're staying in front of this so that they don't get caught with their pants down. And because then people, of course, are going to want to know, how long have you known about this and why have you been keeping it from the public? I mean, think about it. Let's say that tomorrow, the Pentagon, somebody from the Pentagon, does a press, holds a press conference and, and announces that we are being, quote, unquote, visited by intelligent extraterrestrials. Well, where are most of the heads going to turn next to NASA?

They're going to look at NASA and say, excuse me? I mean, if we're being visited by extraterrestrials, and you guys have been sending these rockets up and you got the International Space Station and you got cameras out there, what's the deal here? How come you haven't told us? They're inextricably linked with whatever the Pentagon decides to do in terms of with whatever the Pentagon discloses regarding the extraterrestrial.

That's supposed to be in the know. They're supposed to be on the front end, all that. Exactly. And I think most people kind of assume that the government will cover something up like that because of national security reasons. And I guess we can assume that also the government might tell NASA to shut their mouth about it.

You know, but NASA is supposed to be this noble enterprise that their whole, their whole organization is, is constituted around the enterprise of making discoveries in space, right, and pushing the boundaries further and further in terms of our exploration of space. And you would think that the extraterrestrial life, the discovery of extra or proof of extraterrestrial life would be the most important activity, the most important information and exploration that NASA would be engaged in and want to inform the public of.

So they got a real problem over there. I think it's important to remember that NASA is for all intents and purposes of the dog and pony show as it pertains to space. And so is Elon Musk now. And so is Jeff Bezos. I believe, and I'm going to say this with a degree of confidence because I've talked to people behind the scenes who have relatives who were involved in these projects and have confirmed this to me. I believe that when we went to the moon, and right there having said that lots of people are going to get to. angry at me for having for having dared to suggest that we actually did go to the moon because I think a lot of people probably you know in this audience I would guess a lot of people probably think that that was

all just a hoax and that we filmed it and so forth but when we went to the moon we discovered a presence on the moon we weren't the first ones to land there in fact one source told me they discovered debris from what looked to be an ancient crash of a some kind of an advanced spacecraft. It would have to be a spacecraft, right, if it's crashed on the moon. And that they were being, that they were being watched. And when I inquired, watched by whom, the answer was saucers. It doesn't only imply the grays, but it's most likely the grays if you're talking about saucers on the moon. Hmm. So that's why we haven't gone back. So this is, this is sort of a, I think, a better conspiracy than we didn't go.

I think we did go. And the astronauts were not allowed to talk about what they actually discovered. And that would explain their crestfallen countenance at that famous press conference in the aftermath of the expedition. When they were all, they all just looked like they were completely bummed out. They're muzzled. And maybe a little bit. Yeah. And angry, confused.

And everybody says, see, they didn't go. That's why they're so upset about it. Well, for one, it would make any sense that they would be upset about something that they knew was going to be a hoax from the beginning. Would it? No. No. It doesn't make any sense. Like, hey, we're going to hoax this whole thing and then you guys are going to do a press conference. So why would they decide to be all pissed off at the press conference and bummed out when they were in on the whole thing? It doesn't make any sense. It's much more logical to propose that they were so crestfallen. They were so depressed and angry because they were not allowed to tell the public about what they actually discovered. The most important discovery humanity has ever made, and they had to shut their mouths. And so there was faking of footage because they couldn't show you what they actually found. So they had to put on the dog and pony show. They had to show you footage from a much less fantastic expedition, one that was benign for all intents and purposes. It was benign compared at least to what they actually discovered.

And so that would explain why there would be elements of a hoax involved, not because they didn't go, but because they did. And what they discovered was that they weren't the first to land on the moon. Yeah. And that somebody else not only has been there, and from what I heard in a very ancient context, but also is there currently with advanced aerospace vehicles. saucers.

Like a moon base? A moon base. And so at that point, what would happen? Let's say for the sake of argument that that is what happened. Okay, so what would happen next? So NASA and of course the military is watching all of this unfold with great interest. Part of the reason why we went to the moon was to get ahead of the Russians. Don't forget.

Space race. It was a space war. So the military is watching this with great interest and is directly involved. But as soon as something as important as discovering a wreckage of an ancient landing on the moon, or at least that somebody was there before us, and especially if we were being watched while we were there, the military would immediately take over that project. Immediately, it would come out of the, it would be taken out of the hands of NASA and it would go into the classified projects of the military, of the Air Force specifically. and it would be locked away there.

And so NASA would be told behind the scenes, you're not going to the moon again, number one. So go do other things. This is now a military prerogative. This is not something that the general public gets to know about. This is now classified. You guys are now going to be focused on other things and we're taking this whole project over. That's what would happen. Okay. And I believe that is exactly what happened. Going to the moon became the sole prerogative of the military, specifically, probably the Air Force, if there wasn't a whole new agency created, a whole new department created upon the discovery of intelligent extraterrestrials, or at least others, whoever they were, that were on the moon when we got there. So that, that, and think about it. I want you just to think about this, this, you know, this conspiracy theory that I just laid out. It answers all of the question.

doesn't it? It explains everything. It explains the some of the videos that were hoaxed. It explains the different anomalies that people have pointed out about the project and the Apollo mission. It explains, again, the crestfallen countenance of the three guys at the press conference that went to the moon. It explains why NASA hasn't gone back. It explains everything. It literally answers all the questions. Yeah. So you think that perhaps the government found out about these craft in the 30s, you know, around the Roswell days? And then there's a specific reason that they went to the moon then, you know, 30 years later. I think that the project was initiated in response to the Soviet Union. We knew that the Soviet Union was trying to be the first in space, which they were with Sputnik. We knew that they wanted to dominate. that theater, which would potentially become a theater of war, and we couldn't let them get ahead of us. I think it's that easy. It's that straightforward. And so we put forth a tremendous effort and invested a tremendous amount of money to get their first. The Russians were the first, the Soviets were the first in space. We were going to be the first on the moon. Yeah. And I believe that, remember, it was JFK who initiated this. I believe that, it was initiated in good faith and it was a tremendous achievement by the United States.

And so I don't need to look beyond those motivations. I think those motivations explain everything. Do you think that so we go, we see things that we don't like, we come back and the other, the governments get together and be like, this is what we actually saw on the moon? The governments or just are just the agencies in our government. the agencies, but other governments too, because how come no other countries have tried to go to the moon? I don't think we would have shared that information with them, but we might have threatened them behind the scenes. You might have said, hey, moon's off limits to you. We'll consider it an act of war if you try and go there. Who knows? Of course, the Chinese have been making in roads as of late,

but there's nothing we can do about that at this point. There may be some sharing of information behind the scenes about the grace, because don't forget, the UFO phenomenon is not an American phenomenon. It's global. We can't control what's happening in China in terms of the problem. I feel like most stuff I see comes out of Mexico. Exactly. So if the Grays decide to make contact with the Chinese government, the Chinese communist government, there's nothing we can do about that. So because the nature of the phenomenon is completely out of our control, there has to be some kind of information sharing on a global scale because everybody's involved in this phenomenon. And we know, our government certainly knows, that other governments know about UFOs.

So who knows what was happening behind the scenes. But that's why I'm from this day forward referring to not the deep state, but the dumb state, which is literally the deep, deep, deep, deep state, miles under the ground where many of these projects are underway in terms of these projects to reverse engineer, alien technology, and so forth. And, you know, somebody, one of you guys mentioned the possibility of the U.S. military elements of the U.S. military or military contractors literally working with the entities, with the grays. And, you know, I think it's plausible personally, but there's no proof. You can't, there's no way, zero, there's no way to prove it. We can prove that UFOs are real. That's easy. That's not hard at this point. We can prove that alien abductions are real.

That is within the realm of scientific proof. But so far, there's no way for anybody to prove that elements of the U.S. government or any government, military, I should say, or military contractors are working directly with alien entities. Now, there's guys like Phil Schneider who I know for a fact that elements of Phil Schneider's stories were true. Everything he said, I doubt that the entirety of his story was true. I think he was involved in, I think he was a participant in some of the, maybe unwilling participant, some of the MK Ultra stuff. And for those listening,

Phil Schneider was like in a war with them underground. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Got shot at by these aliens. He shot one with his pistol. And then he got, in his words, they crispy crittered him. A gray-like being tall, though not small. A tall, gray-like

entity, gray-like, meaning the grays, that was sort of shaped like them in terms of the bulb his head and the big black eyes, the almond-shaped eyes, waved its hand in front of its chest. And according to Phil's testimony, a blue light emanated from the being's chest or a device on the being's chest and struck him and burned off his fingers, a couple of his fingers and his toes, and gave him cancer. Wow.

And he was almost, he almost died. I mean, he was on his deathbed for a while there after that incident. But he recovered. So I believe much of what Phil said, but there's other elements of his story that I'm doubtful of. And again, the reason why is because I think that Phil Schneider, his father, by the way, was Phil's father or grandfather was a Nazi submarine captain. Or maybe an admiral. I can't remember. Maybe you guys do.

It was a Uboat. That's right. U-boat is more accurate than submarine. I don't remember if he was a captain or an admiral. But when you have a family like that that's got those kind of connections that were brought over in Operation Paperclip, you're often going to find those individuals having been subjected to some kind of mind control, MK Ultra, multiple personality type stuff. So they're complicated people. And so you have to be careful. You have to believe what can be verified.

And in Phil's case, much of what he said, I believe can be verified. Much of what he said can be verified. I mean, and just to put a bow on that, for example, nobody was talking about Magneto Levitton trains back in the early 90s, except for Phil Schneider. Phil Schneider was talking about Magneto Levitton trains. He described them perfectly. He said they can go coast to coast and a half an hour and they float on a quarter inch, you know, electro-magnetic wave, and they run in a vacuum and everybody laughed at him. And now China's building them above grow. So what we bring to this whole conversation is the gospel, obviously, right? And that's the part of

the story that I think a lot of these guys can't go into. They can't talk about, well, who are these grays and these aliens all? What are they allegiant to? Who controls all this? Is there's a spiritual narrative to it all? What I love about your work, Tim, is that, you know, you take it to the next level. And if NASA's trying to get ahead of the game, you know, a lot of Christians are asking themselves, are there people in direct link with Satan? And they're all working to disclose this on their terms, in their way and with their narrative, you know? That's a good point because NASA consulting with theologians, you know, indirectly, of course, for the fact checkers, NASA consulting directly with the center of theological inquiry at Princeton,

there's the actual situation. Theologians by proxy. By proxy, yeah. Which isn't any less astonishing. Is nothing compared to what the Vatican has been doing? And the Vatican has been directly involved in the theological framing of disclosure, let's say, and probably other things beyond that. The Vatican has been much more interested in this question than NASA. Because everybody, you know, so this is the way that the head turning would go.

It would, you know, first you got the disclosure from the Pentagon. Let's say that if that's how it happened, then the next head turn is to NASA. and then the next head turn for many people is to the Pope, is to the Vatican. Yeah. Because what does this mean? Well, hold on, at least for the Christian world, what does this mean? Most Christians, and again, we've talked about this at length, and it's the topic of my book, Birthright, by the way, which you guys know.

Most Christians have no context for extraterrestrial life, even though we are all reading a book that presumes the reality of extraterrestrial life. And that is the Bible. And so the context for understanding this is right in front of us as Christians. It's right there. And it has nothing to do with the Nephilim or anything like that. So it's not that, it's not that angle. It's actually much older, much more ancient than the Nephilim.

It's the beings who were the fathers of the Nephilim. It's their civilization. It's their race that pre-existed humanity that is featured throughout the scriptures, Old Testament and New Testament, as we all know. And these beings demand an explanation in terms of the biblical paradigm, the narrative of the Hebrew scriptures. They demand an explanation. And I would say they demand an explanation in the context of what we know today in terms of our understanding of the universe. And the explanation, I think, is forthcoming. I think it's evident that this is a race of beings that hail.

from an advanced ancient civilization that exists somewhere in the cosmos of creation. It is somewhere in created order, probably in the literal universe, not in a different dimension or something like that, probably in the literal universe, somewhere out there. They come from somewhere. They have an origin. They didn't just pop into existence. And, I mean, even Adam didn't just pop into existence. His biology was carefully crafted.

And he has a beginning. and Adam is earthborn. We are all earthborn, but they are not. They preexist the earth, clearly, according to Job. And so that's a galactic narrative. That's a cosmic narrative. And that is the narrative of scripture. So we don't have to wonder how extraterrestrials fit into the biblical narrative. It's self-evident that they do. And so if you're a Bible-believing Christian, then by default, you believe in extraterrestrials, by default. Now, you may not know that you do, but you do. By default, you believe in extraterrestrial. Yeah, an extraterrestrial simply a being whose provenance is not planet Earth, period. And their provenance, them being who I call,

the elder race, who are ambiguously designated in the biblical narrative as angels, they obviously hail from an extraterrestrial provenance. They are there for extraterrestrials. So I think that it's really, really, and this is part of the reason, by the way, why I agree to do this conference is because I believe that it is so important for Christians especially to have a paradigm, a correct paradigm, not invent a new one, but have a biblical paradigm into which extraterrestrials naturally fit. Of course, the question of salvation comes up, and this is a question that the Vatican is very much interested in, but they're drawing the wrong conclusions because that question is also. already answered in the scriptures. And of course, the question is, well, if Christ died for human beings, then are we to suppose also that he died for some other faction of aliens elsewhere in the universe? And the answer is no, clearly according to the scriptures, because the scriptures make it clear that Christ did not die for the angels, that amazingly, he died just for us, just for the human

species. Now, his sacrifice, his victory at the cross has kind of. cosmic implications, certainly. But we don't have to assume that if Christ died for the human species, then he died for some other alien species somewhere else in the cosmos, and that that turns the gospel on its head. There's no reason to think in those terms. And yet, for some reason, the Vatican keeps going there. Why do you think they are? Well, they're crafting a whole new gospel that includes extraterrestrials. So they're not deferring to the biblical narrative. And they're not understanding extraterrestrials as they naturally appear in the scriptures. Instead, they are redefining the gospel.

Is that because most of the world lives in this medieval thinking about the angelic and the angels and not that this all interacts and that there's got to be salvation, right? There's got to get a graft. You got to graph the ETs in as well because there's salvation for all instead of understanding that these beings exist in the kingdom of heaven. That may be, that may explain some of the more innocent contemplations by members of the clergy. Okay. At the Vatican. But I think there's something much more insidious going on. I believe, and when I say the Vatican, of course, the Vatican is composed of a very, of a diverse group of individuals and organizations and orders and so forth.

But generally speaking, the hierarchy at the Vatican, I believe, are getting ready to receive the Antichrist as the return of Christ himself, that he's going. going to be presented to the world as this superior extraterrestrial being and as many have postulated that he's going to be received as the savior of the world, him and his cohort, his consort, which I call, which I refer to as Apollo and his consort in my book, that these beings are going to be received as gods and are going to lead the world into great delusion right into the post human age basically into the post human well i mean what what i really like about what you said just a minute ago is just like how it feels like there's this hierarchy this chain of command right it's like a kid you know he's going

to look to his mom and his mom's going to look to the to the dad you know what i mean like we look to the we look to our local governments they're going to look to the president and the president's going to look to the vatican ultimately it's a spiritual question at the end of the day, what does this mean for human existence? Like, we're going to look, we're going to look right past our governments and we're going to look right to the Vatican because they're the biggest religious entity in the world and they're going to tell us what this all means. Yes, that's true. And the Vatican is going to have an answer. Yeah. And most Protestant pastors aren't going to have an answer, not inadequate. Yeah. Because most, if you ask, most Protestant pastors,

if you ask them, do our extraterrestrial is real? Our alien. real? Do they exist? And most pastors will laugh that off. Of course not. No. Or some will say, oh, they're demons. They're just demons. Those are just demons or fallen angels, right? Those aren't good answers. If you ask me, hey, Tim, do extraterrestrials exist within the biblical paradigm? My answer is yes. Of course they do. Of course they do. So if there's a disclosure of an extraterrestrial presence, I'm not going to be surprised. I expect that to be the case already. Because again, I believe that the biblical narrative presupposes this. So this reality. So I'm not going to be surprised. It comfortably fits into my worldview. I'm not going to shake my faith one bit. I already

expect that to be the case. So, hey, Tim, with that context, I've got a question. I've wanted to ask this from the beginning, because we've unwrapped with you in past episodes, abductions, and we, you know, presuppose these different types of extraterrestrials. What do you, so with that whole narrative that we talked about sort of the end there. What do you think is happening right now? Why are they going in a buzzing nuclear sites? Why are they going and buzzing top secret sites? What do you think is, I mean, we don't know this, but what do you think is happening? Because we would expect this to end in some crescendo where we have this ultimate antichristian who is extraterrestrial is coming to, you know, bring peace and save us from ourselves. That's the narrative, right? But what's happening right now?

Why do you think, is to say that we have no control over our own airspace? Is it, is it something else in the ferry? Especially when we talk about the different factions, have you kind of laid out in past episodes. Exactly. Right. What do you think, what do you suppose is going on? Well, you have to identify who they are. So, are they, you know, most of the, I would say most of the UFO activity are the grays. They're not the only ones in possession of advanced aerospace craft.

These entities that we call quote unquote fallen angels. which I like to refer to, which I think is much more accurate to refer to them as the apostate sons of God, the insurrectionists, the real insurrectionists. They're in possession of the same technology, if not greater technology. So those guys who in my book, I make the case that those are elder siblings, good and bad, right? The good ones and the bad ones are not two distinct races. The good guys and the bad guys, they're the same race. It's not like there's a race of good angels and then there's a race of bad angels. It's not like the good angels, you know, speak one language and use one kind of technology and the bad angels speak a different language and use a different kind of technology. No,

they come from the same civilization. They have the same knowledge. They look exactly the same. Now, whether they dress the same or not, I don't know. But, but the bad ones were all black all the time. They're the same race. Those guys have been, those guys have been around since the beginning. So there's your ancient astronaut theory. That's the part of the, that I agree with, have extraterrestrials been interacting with human beings since the beginning of human history? Yes. I mean, Eve was talking to one of them in the garden. So yes, the answer is yes. And it wasn't a snake. And it wasn't a reptilian either, by the way. It was a 30-some looking young, blonde guy with either blonde or golden blonde hair and probably blue or green eyes. That's my yes.

It wasn't a snake. The snake is a reference to, his primary attribute, cunning. He's cunning. So that's that faction. That's that angelic or quote unquote fallen angelic faction. They've been here since the beginning. They're operating in our airspace. I believe they literally inhabit the earth, probably, you know, in some underground base beneath the mountains or something. Right. And I'm talking about the devil here. I don't think he's some spiritual entity that lives in hell. That's wrong. That's medieval. That's a medieval perspective. That's not correct. These are physical beings who use technology and they are inhabiting the earth in the same way we inhabit the earth except for they're probably under the earth. And

again, they've been here since the beginning. Then we have this other faction. And then there may be more, I always say this. There may be more factions. I don't know. There may be more. But then we have this other faction, the grays. These are the gray. These are the, these are your typical bulbous shaped head, almond shaped eyes, little gray guys, and then they're, they're insectilin overlords, which look like prey mantises, somewhat like praying mantises. That faction is involved in alien abductions. They have their own agenda. Now, there's their agenda correlate with whatever the dragon and his group are doing, maybe. And I talk about that in my book. There's, some alternatives that I address in the book. There's several options that are in play here

in terms of their correspondence, in terms of their association. The dragon and his angels and the grace, it isn't like there's just one answer to that question. It's really quite a conundrum in some ways. But the grays have their own agenda, and their agenda has something to do with creating alien human hybrids, advanced alien human hybrids that look just like us. And our, for all intents and purposes are us, except for the fact that they retain the powerful telepathic powers of the grays and probably have very different DNA than we do. They are, as I said, responsible for most of the activity, I think, the UFO activity. And so they have been hovering around our secret installations and our missile silos and stuff. They've been doing that for decades. It's not like they do it every

day. I don't want people to get the impression that if you know where a missile silo is, like we got a bunch of them here in Montana, that if you hang around long enough, you're going to see a saucer appear and hover a puppet. That's not the impression I want to give. They've been known to do that. Occasionally, they do that. And I think what they're doing is they're sending a message to the military. We're here.

There's nothing you can do to stop us. We will do what we want. We will act with impunity. We're reminding you, stop firing at our craft, stop trying to catch us and chase us down. Because at a moment's notice, we can disable all of your nuclear. warheads or penetrate into your military installations, your underground military installations. I think it's a part of what they're doing is a saber rattling. Because, you know, again, factions within our government, factions that are part of the dumb state are. That was the alternate

podcast name. It's either going to be blurry creatures or dumbstead. I think we should make some T-shirts. I think we should. With a picture of a, a picture of like a gray on the front or something or a maglap train. But anyway, the point is, I think it's saber rattling to some degree. Who knows? Who knows if elements of our military are in direct contact with the grays are working with them? And I would assume that there's definitely a sort of a cold war going on with the grays. Do we shoot down, can we shoot down their craft?

I think we can. Some years ago, I want to say maybe five years ago, there was a video that surfaced online. I don't know if you guys saw it. And as far as I know, it hasn't been debunked. and it's a video that was taken from the International Space Station. And you can see in the distance on the horizon of the Earth, you can see right above the horizon of the Earth, you can see a craft. It looks like a saucer, and it's moving around. And then suddenly you see like an energy beam come up from the Earth.

And it just misses the saucer. The saucer moves out of the way before the energy beam hits it. Do we have that technology? We do. We do. We can do that. We can do it using the atom smasher's, for example, we can produce energy beams, energy weapons, using the large Hadron Collider or our Collider here in the United States.

That's one of the reasons why China's developing a Collider themselves, because it's got massive potential for the development of energy weapons, among other things. But yes, we can. And this is common knowledge. I mean, you can find articles in popular mechanics or whatever, you know, magazines like that talking about these energy weapons. we can produce energy weapons. So can we bring down UFOs with high intensity energy weapons, beams of laser beams, really?

And I think the answer is that we can. And we probably have figured out ways to interfere with whatever technology they're using. They probably have an Achilles heel. They're not infallible. These are not infallible beings. Their technology is not divine. It's just hardware. And I'm sure it has weaknesses.

And yes, they crash. And people are, how are they going to come from? you know, travel light years to Earth and then crash. Well, why wouldn't they? What? So if we, so if we travel to Mars, it would be unthinkable if one of our craft crashed when we got there or some kind of a technical technical failure happened and you had an explosion. Why would that be so amazing? I mean, you know, that's like, that would be like somebody living back in the first century, you know, seeing a fire.

fighter jet, zoom over the, let's say in Rome, zoom over the city of Rome and somebody's wonder if that mechanical thing flying in the sky could crash and the other person scoffs, if they can fly that fast and, you know, cover the whole city of Rome in a matter of seconds, you know, why would they, why would it crash if it could do that? Well, because it's technology. Right. And because there's no perfect technology. There's no, there's no fail safe against stupid mistakes.

A lot of bad drivers out there, right? Maybe it was a bad driver. Well, just because these aliens are sophisticated, and they have advanced technology doesn't mean that doesn't mean that they're infallible and that they don't make mistakes. You can have a gray alien, you know, flying around on a saucer and,

and I don't know, fall asleep at the wheel or whatever or spill his coffee on his lap, not, you know, whatever. Maybe he had too many pops at the canteena, you know, the alien canteen before he got out on the road. Exactly. And so it just doesn't make any sense.

Some of these arguments are so stupid. They're illogical. They sound so smart, but they're really dumb. Of course they can crash. Why wouldn't they crash? Just because they come from somewhere really far away. You don't even know how many of them maybe crash on the way. Well, people often describe them and just how mechanical they really are.

You see the lights flashing. You see the mechanism that they are designed, like, similar to what humans would make, but just far beyond that. So you got to wonder, like they got break lights on those things, it seems like, or something. The lights, they have some kind of a purpose, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't have them. And then you got your crowd who says, no, no, no, no, those are just fallen angels or demons or something. And of course, that's just completely irrelevant to the conversation because that assumes that, quote unquote, fallen angels or demons have metamorphic powers, that they can metamorphosize into inanimate objects. In other words, an angel can somehow, you know, like a transformer,

turn itself into hardware with blinking lights, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. And I wish people would stop thinking that way because we don't think that way about anything else in the world. Yeah. And at least Optimus Prime. He could only turn into one thing. He turned a different machine.

It wasn't turning from a, yeah. No, I think. Yeah, he could only turn into like a Mac truck for some reason, right? And why would you choose, by the way, if you're a, If you are a transformer, why would you choose to turn into a Mac truck? For freedom. For freedom. Why wouldn't they all choose to turn into a stealth fighter?

Well, maybe they want to be on the freedom. Maybe they want to be on the freedom convoy. He was just ahead of his time. Why turn into a truck with wheels driving on a road like a thousand times slower than a fighter jet? That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, dude. You're just trying to feed the nation, you know? So no big of it.

But, you know, but we talked about on the show that, that, that, it's not the craft, but angels are in the craft. Yes, that's it. So it's the craft is being piloted by the, again, quote unquote, fallen angels. Or the good ones. It doesn't have to be, why has it got to be the bad guys? Why can't the good guys be flying around him? There's no reason.

There's no reason whatsoever why the good guys can't be flying around on the same craft. So, Tim, I had a question. Someone brought up on our show recently. I think it was Doug Hamps talking about how the baptism of Jesus, the heavens opened. Do you think that these craft can fly to and from the heavens? Well, yeah. I mean, they're aerospace craft. When you mean heavens, you mean what, like outer space? It seems like at that point in the baptism, they could see into heaven. So, I mean, it could be a stargate to some other place, or it could just be this realm right above us that we can't, that we just can't

perceive. Right. Well, Stargate's very, I think, is a, is a, is a, practical explanation. We talk so many times. And it's great. It's fun to speculate and postulate about all kinds of weird, sci-fi things. It's fun. And I do it all day long. You know, I'm not against it. I think it's... I'm just trying to think where they, where are they flying from? No, but you mentioned Stargate. And when you say Stargate, you're not, you're not in the realm of speculation really anymore. You're much, you're, you're, now you're crossing over into a practical scientific principle, a wormhole. So if you, and of course, you can, the wormholes are derived in Einstein's field equations. And most physicists agree that you can, that wormholes are entirely possible. And that if we

could produce enough energy like Michoukako points out, we could open one ourselves. We basically know how to do it. We just can't produce that amount of energy. We don't know how yet. So if we did have access to that amount of energy, and the amount of energy required to open up a wormhole is, it's almost unimaginable. And I think we're going at it the wrong way. The way that we derive energy from the material world is like the dumbest way to do it. We make things explode, basically, which is like the dumbest way to get energy out of nature. And that's not how I think these other entities derive their energy. I think they have much more sophisticated.

For sure, they have much more sophisticated ways. Yeah, we've talked about that just with the megaliths, the way they built those things, you know, obviously. Yeah, so if you open up a wormhole, a stargate between two locations, you're not what you're doing is you're folding space time between the two locations the way that physicists describe it is you take a piece of paper and you fold that piece of paper in half so you have the two sides of the paper which are far away distant from each other you fold them so that they're touching each other and then you poke a pencil through them right that's a stargate so you're

folding space time which is by the ways that's how these craft move you fold space time and you suddenly connect to distant points. And they literally open. And I have a guy that was a, I don't know if he'd want me to say his name, but he was an agent of mine and a good friend of mine. Maybe he's listening to this podcast. I don't know. He told me a fascinating story one time.

He said that he was driving down the road in California, somewhere in Northern California, driving down the highway. I believe he said he was on the phone. I can't remember if he was on the phone with somebody or not, but he's driving down the road. And he traffics down this highway every day. This is a, this is routine for him. And one day he's driving and he looks, he happens to look off to his right and he sees a circle

a pair. I think we can all imagine because of all the Marvel movies and stuff, what that would look like, like a circle of pairs and you're looking, you're not looking at the sky anymore. And it wasn't up in the sky either. It was kind of, it wasn't like way up in the sky. It was just kind of off to his right and a little bit up, I think is what he was, what he said. And so it was just like this, this. hole in the atmosphere that appeared. And he said that as he was looking at it, he was looking

into like a different world. It was a different world, a different landscape, a completely different landscape. And then suddenly he saw two saucers or one saucer. I can't remember a saucer or a few saucers come darting out of this thing. And then it closed. And then it closed. That's the classic description of a wormhole. That's a wormhole. So, If that technology exists, if these beings can harness or any beings, any beings, good, bad or indifferent, can harness that technology and bridge the gap between different, let's say, planets. And I know when I talk like that, lots of people get upset because there's still a lot of people who believe in flat earth, and that's just fine. But let's say that, you know, you've got two different planets and two different galaxies. Well, if you could have the energy to create a wormhole between the two, you completely close the distance.

And so effectively what you would see is that wormhole when it opened, you would, you would see that other world. And the Marvel movies make, you know, they make a lot of use out of the wormhole hypothesis. So we're all very familiar with it. With what's that one magical guy in the Marvel movies that my kids watch incessantly. The one, this is his name, Dr. Strange, I think is his name. And he uses magic to open up like the portal, right? And on the other side of the portal, it's like a different world or a different room. room and, you know, he can throw somebody into it or open up the portal beneath their feet so they fall into it.

That's just a wormhole. In principle, in theory, wormholes are perfectly natural in the universe. You can open them. I personally, I can't prove it, but I personally 100% am convinced that the angelic race and possibly others, the grays, can open wormholes. And that explains a lot, just like the moon landing thing I talked about. If they can open wormholes, that explains a lot of what we see. Bigfoot, for one, right? Coming through portals.

Yeah, and I don't know that Bigfoot can open a wormhole. I think maybe somebody else opens a wormhole for him. He just walks through it, yeah. He just goes through it because to open a wormhole, you know, it would require technology. Again, it would require an almost unimaginable amount of energy to do it. Well, we brought on a guy that has a serpent mount in his farm, Roger. If you're listening out there, what's up, Roger? he said the same thing.

He described all these beings coming out of what he described, like a portal near the serpent mound. And there's just all kinds of demonic creatures. Well, sure. I mean, you know, you have the account, the famous account at Skinwalker Ranch. And they were doing their scientific experimentation on the ranch. One of the things that one of them described seeing was exactly that. A portal opened and like this thing crawled out of it, this like monster crawled out. of it. And then it's shut. And the monster, you know, took off running in some direction or some.

Again, that would explain a lot because then you could have, to use the, you know, the title of your show, you could have blurry creatures coming through these portals. Hey. No, no, now you're going to be your guaranteeing a spot on the intro now. Yeah. That's it. One minute 34. You could have creatures that come from other parts of the universe. You could have creatures that come from the interior of the earth from anywhere coming through these stargates. Now, that doesn't mean that the creatures themselves have opened the gates, by the way. It means either maybe they did, but I don't believe that they open gates like that. I think it's technological.

You have to have the technology to open a gate. like that, just like we, you know, just like they have to have technology to fly through the heavens. They can't just, they're not just by nature. You know, sometimes people think of like angels. By nature, they're just like almost like gods. They can do anything they want. They can just appear wherever they want. They can appear and disappear on a whim.

They can travel vast distances at the blink of an eye. You know, they can walk through whatever solid objects they want, you know. and there's absolutely zero indication in the scriptures that any of this is true. Well, I mean, it seems like on our show just in the brief moments, and I don't know no expert on this, but we've talked extensively about certain areas, certain mountains, where portals could be, certain doorways and megaliths that seem to go to nothing. And it makes you wonder if they were harnessing that energy right out of the earth. As crazy as it sounds, we can't, let's just put it this way.

can't discount the possibility. The possibility exists. And it exists within a framework of the physics that we understand today. Well, I mean, clearly we don't understand energy the way they did. No, no, no, we don't. And I think we've talked about this before. We've taken a very interesting, we've taken one out of who knows how many paths to develop our technology. Our technology is based on electricity and explosions. Combustion. That's what it's based on. It's like, yeah, it's electricity or some kind of combustion. That pretty much, that's how we make our things work. We harness electricity or we blow things up. And electricity certainly, and electricity probably has is probably a lot more useful than we think. I think, you know, Tesla. Tesla was developing some technologies that would look fantastical to us today if he would have been allowed to finish his work and, you know, didn't lose funding and wasn't suppressed. So even electricity, I think, We barely understand electricity. I personally think we understand what it is.

We understand how to produce it and we understand how to harness it. But I think that there's a lot more that can be done with electricity that isn't being done for whatever reason. But propulsion by way of combustion is like it's like a caveman, you know, rolling around with carts with stone wheels. You know, pulling carts with stone wheels. That's what that's what we use. We use that kind of technology. We got to blow things up. And this is what we use in a conventional...

Fun though. This is our conventional technology, but this isn't the technology that the military is using behind the scenes, that the elements of the dumb state are using behind the scenes. Well, that's what a lot of guys like Heiser say, you know, that they take position

that this is just the government are flying these things too. Well, guys like, you know, people like that just have not, just have not taken the time to examine the data. And when I say the data, I'm primarily talking. about the abduction phenomenon because within the abduction phenomenon, you have a proof,

I would say indisputable proof that this is an extraterrestrial phenomenon and that these are non-human entities who are physically, and we've talked about this, nauseam, are physically abducting people. It's not a primarily spiritual or supernatural or multidimensional phenomenon. It is a physical phenomenon. And is the government abducting people? the military probably. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me that they're doing this. And they may have a whole lot of reasons why they would be doing it to some extent. But there is no way that even all the militaries on earth combined could be abducting the millions and millions of people who are being abducted routinely. And doing all the other things that happened during an abduction. There's just no way. It's completely implausible. And frankly, I think that that explanation, frankly, is stupid. Well, it's just, yeah, I mean, obviously not everyone can be an expert on all these these topics. And then you pick your, you pick your road and you go down it. But yeah, I mean, the sheer numbers of things would explain that it couldn't be the government.

There's just not enough manpower. It's a unwillingness to embrace the physical reality of the alien presence. Well, we talked to Tim Mackey recently, and we talked about heavens and earth and just these realms. It constantly comes up on our show of trying to figure out how heaven and earth meets. So the Stargates, the portals, the megalitz, the energy. It's just right in our wheelhouse of how do these blurry creatures come to and fro? Can Bigfoot go through portals? Does the Vatican know all of it?

I mean, Stargates really, I mean, wouldn't you guys agree that Stargates answer a lot of the questions? They really do. I think about David Politis too. Like I think about like all these people that, you know, I don't know how much of that we would give to the deduction, you know, program or how much we'd have to. we have to portals, but there's these just, you know, he takes this fraction of this data of these cases where there's just an unexplained disappearance where people seem to walk into nowhere and never return.

The abduction, you mean the, as it pertains to the abduction phenomenon? That or and or portals. No, they're missing people. He does the missing four and one stuff, and you're like, some of this stuff is so bizarre, it's like someone walked into a portal or walk into, you know, whatever you want to call it. and they didn't come back.

Are there naturally, here's another question that might relate to that. Like tornadoes? Are there naturally occurring stargates? Yeah, I think so. I think there's some in Bermuda Triangle. Yeah, I think that the answer would be yes. I think that there are naturally occurring stargates and maybe.

I think people just sail through them. You know, and where do you go when you go through that gate? Narnia. Well, I mean, you know that there's one way to look at the narnia of i grew up obsessed with i think i told you guys i many occasions when i was a little kid i i i would would close my eyes and walk into the into the closet desperately hoping that i would escape the the boring suburban life i knew and like you know be confronted suddenly with a fawn or something like

that I find myself in this fantasy world that was just a bazillion times better than middle school. It's interesting, though, the concept of the wardrobe. You can either think of that. There's two ways that you can think of the wardrobe. And most people look at it as if it's like a dimensional gateway and you're in a different dimension. Well, you can also think of it as a Stargate if it were, you know, and I'm not saying, obviously that's a fantasy story. It's a fictional story, The Chronicles of Narnia. Sure.

But if you think of the wardrobe as a Stargate, then you don't necessarily have to be in a different dimension. You're just in a different part of the universe. As I stressed earlier, a Stargate connects. It doesn't, it doesn't. A Stargate is not a connection. Now let me use the scientific term. A wormhole is not a connection between the earth and a different dimension. A wormhole is a connection between two disparate places in the universe.

So it connects two different locations within the physical universe. As I said, they could be on two different sides of the universe, and they're connected through a wormhole. So I think a lot of us have a tendency to think about a Stargate or a wormhole as a gateway into a different dimension, which isn't necessary. And the reason why it's not necessary is I say all the time is because none of us have ever seen another dimension. We don't know what another dimension looks like. And if you're looking at as my friend who saw that Stargate open, that wormhole open and saw those craft come through and he's looking at a different world, there's no reason whatsoever

to suppose that that's a different dimension. None. In fact, it's counterintuitive. You would rather we should suppose that that's just a different part of the universe. Again, whether it's somewhere else on the earth, whether it's like, you know, it was the Himalayas or something, or whether it's the surface of Mars or the moon or somewhere else. There's no reason to make the leap. I am a proponent of different dimensions, but I think that there are different facets of the universe. They're dimensional facets of the universe. are not like different worlds. It's not a completely different world. It's not like a spiritual world or something that you go to if it is indeed a different dimension. It's just a different dimensional facet of the same universe that we all inhabit. That's the Occam's Razor

explanation of a wormhole. That's the Occam's Razor explanation. The simplest explanation isn't that the UFOs are appearing from a different dimension. They're appearing from a different locality in the universe. So the Beastie Boys had it right the entire time. So it's intergalactic planetary, another dimension, another dimension. It was all, they nailed it. The great philosophers of our generation. Just remember, just remember that we can't even contemplate what another dimension would look like. When you start using a word like dimension, you're now talking about, number one, a world that our brains can't contemplate because you're talking about a world that's not within the three dimensions plus time that we inhabit. You're talking about an incomprehensible domain,

and I can't comprehend that. I can't envision that. Neither can you. We can't imagine that. And we think we're imagining that when we think about Narnia going through the wardrobe. We think we're imagining it, but we're not. All we're imagining is a Stargate that takes us to a different part of the universe. That's all that we're really imagining. Because that's all we're capable of imagining. We can't think beyond the three dimensions, the three spatial dimensions and the one dimension of time. We literally, we just can't. Our brains can't think, can't do that. It's impossible. Tim is here, Tim is here breaking our brains again. I love it, Tim. No, I like how we, I like just thinking. I think pondering these things is, is, in practice,

is such a cool process, right? To try to understand the things that are, that are hard, tough to understand in the context of the things that we know within the laws of nature, within things, within the laws of the universe that govern the things that we do. Every little thing that happens in this space is ordered. And for some reason, there's a resistance. Like there's some, there's a resistance. Not just in the Christian community, but also like in, in the UFO community, too. There's a growing resistance to a materialistic explanation. So it's got to be some kind of spiritual thing or dimensional thing. And it doesn't make any sense to me. If you, let's say that we are all sitting on, you know, my porch smoking pipes looking out over the horizon. Sounds great, by the way.

with tobacco in the pipes. Because otherwise there could be other explanations for what I'm about to say. And you see, and you see like we see what my friends saw. We see like this circle open up in the sky. And around it, you know, if you look to the left or to the right of it,

you see, you know, the mountains in the background. I live in Montana. You see the mountains in the background. But if you look into the, into the circle, into that just opened up in the sky,

we see like a different landscape. Let's see, let's say we see like a more reddish, ruddy desert like landscape and then and then you know like saucers come out of it what would be the first thing that came to our minds we would say we would think naturally the very first thing I think we would all think is that's some other place either on earth or somewhere else that's a different place I don't think we would go oh my god that's a different dimension we would just say that looks like a different place just like I'm looking at you guys a different place in terms of a different place in the

known universe. Just like I'm looking at you guys through Zoom right now. I see you guys, but I'm not, I don't make the assumption that you might be sitting in a different dimension. I assume that you guys are sitting at some other place on planet Earth. You know, so we're, we're in the same physical universe, but you're just in a different part of it than me, you know? Yeah. And if you came, if we had the technology for you to come flying through my screen, that wouldn't convince me that it was a different dimension. It would just tell me that you're coming from. Yeah. I have a smoke. And they're coming from. I have a smoke. would be rid of it. We would just, that prophecy be fulfilled. We'd come right on through, Nathan.

Well, I love, I love it. But you see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? Why do we leap over the most sensible and easiest explanation? How come we got to leap over that? How come we got to like, why do we discount that? Well, so Jesus is baptism. He's just looking, the heavens are open. It's like a giant stargate almost, and we're just looking right into heaven. What if he's looking at the kingdom of heaven? Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, why can't the kingdom of heaven be located somewhere in the universe? I don't, why not? Why not? Why can't the kingdom? And of course, the kingdom is more than just a locality, but it does have locality. It's somewhere. It's a place. It's more than a place. Certainly, there's a theological profundity there. It's more than a place. But it's, but it's also a place.

So why does it have to be like some spiritual realm? Why can't it be somewhere in the universe? Well, certainly they're flying something from somewhere with breaklights. If God has so little use for the universe that he made, I don't think so. I think he made the universe and everything that's happening is happening inside the universe he made. And so, again, I don't discount different dimensions, but I think people confuse an imperceivable spatial dimension of the universe that we inhabit. They confuse that principle with a multiverse perspective. Like there's a whole different universe.

You see what I mean? Parallel. So the multiverse. There's a completely different universe that's parallel to ours that's running on different laws of physics and everything's different. and it's like parallel to ours. That's a paranormal explanation. And that's an explanation that actually a lot of physicists like because, you know,

even like Michukaku loves that explanation. Like there's a bunch of bubble universes like like bubbles in a bathtub. And the reason why those guys love those explanations is because it allows them to circumvent a creator. It allows them to circumvent the problems with our universe in their minds that it looks like it was created. So our universe looks like it was fine. tuned and created, and they know that. And so they can circumvent that problem by imagining all kinds

of different universes so that the fine-tuning of our universe, it just looks like it's fine-tuned because it's our universe. But there's other universes that are parallel to our universe that aren't fine-tuned like our universe. They have different laws of physics. It's just, as I said, it's a circumvention of the biblical fact that our universe was created. That's why I love you bringing on you, Tim, because you bring on all the weird stuff the church doesn't want to talk about, but you bring in the gospel that the UFO community doesn't want to talk about. This is he's just you. great hybrid. Look at there.

Hey-oh. Hybrid of both of these camps that the discussion needs to have happen. And you're putting this all in practical terms. Like we're, you know, Jesus is sitting there looking right through a Stargate to heaven. Why not? Why not? Yeah.

It's something we can understand. And obviously, the craft that they're flying around, it looks like something that we might build in 500 years. Exactly. And we will build in 500 years if we're around that long. Right. Tim, thanks so much, man, for coming on, breaking our brain. rains again and we're excited for you to the dumb state hey i honestly i honestly i want to do an

episode on we haven't talked about we haven't talked about the dums at all well we got you got to call it the dumb state so every time you say that you owe me a dollar and every time we're gonna do a dumb episode now and and then and then we'll with you and we'll talk about the dums and and then it'll just be like inception level dumb right because two dummies asking dumb questions about the dums you know inception that's good yeah it'll be inception Different levels of dumb. Exactly. And just to reiterate, I want to encourage everybody to go to the

Birthright Conference. Come see us, come see me. Yeah. And Luke and Nate in Nashville, Tennessee from the 6th of the 7th of May, of May, not Marsh. Go get your tickets. I forgot to mention that the tickets are right now are on sale, the 20% off right now. I don't know how long that's going to last.

So go get them now while they're on sale. And it's going to be a blast. I mean, we're going to be, we're going to have fun. We're going to talk about stuff like this all day long. And it's going to be fun. Yeah. And we'll be promoting that. We love it.

You know, in our channels as well. We'll make some dumb videos. Just two dummies. Making dumb videos about the dumps. And there we go. It's an endless fodder for jokes here. Well, thanks, time. Appreciate it, brother.

Yeah. That's all we know how to do. Thank you, my pleasure. Yeah, we'll have to, I'm excited to hang in person. It's going to be fun. And hopefully we'll see it before, at least in this context before May. But we'll talk about the dumps. Now, I'm excited.

I'm excited to hang out with you guys. and finally meet in person. And, you know, I told you guys off of, you know, before we started recording. There's some other very interesting people coming to the conference. So, you know, I can't announce them yet. But just so the audience knows, there's some high profile interesting people coming to. So it's going to be, this is not going to be like a conference that people are used to. This is not just another Nephilimary conference.

This is going to be something very unique. Well, Tim, thanks, man. Appreciate it. Bye, bye, man. Anytime. Thank you.