Blurry Creatures - EP: 98 Whereabouts of Werewolves with Tony Merkel

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

Tony Merkel from The Confessionals Podcast returns to Blurry Creatures to talk to us about his new film 'Expedition Dogman'. Fresh off of his trek into the Kentucky wilderness, Tony tells us the half-man and half-wolf creature is really out there. Dogman is not new to the creature conversation, as these creatures have terrorized guests on his show, followed our listeners home, and even appeared inside of some witnesses' homes. The single thread in all Dogman experiences is that this creature is absolutely terrifying.  From ancient werewolf lore to the backwoods of modern-day Kentucky, we go on a journey in search of the cryptid. What is it and maybe even more frightening, where is it living today? Guest: http://theconfessionalspodcast.com intro song: 1985 by Northern Lights  contact: [e-mail] blurrycreatures.com Socials instagram.com/blurrycreatures facebook.com/blurrycreatures twitter.com/blurrycreatures Music Kyle Monroe: tinytaperoom.com Aaron Green: https://www.instagram.com/aaronkgreen/ Mastering: ironwingstudios.com Outro Song: TimeCop1983: timecop1983.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, welcome back to blurry creatures this week. We have Tony Merkel from the Confessional's podcast on the show. Tony's a good friend of ours and a fellow truth seeker in this crazy space. we're all Christians and it's great to have some camaraderie, companionship, and you're trying to tell the truth. We talk about his new documentary about Dogman and also what it's like podcasting, pushing back,

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The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one

person's right, it bust the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen chair. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event. And this guy defects from the kingdom.

That's a big deal. Welcome back to the show, Tony Merkel from the Confessionals podcast. The Merkel Media Empire is exploding. You're growing. You're getting bigger. You got more juice in your tank than 10 podcasters, Tony. So it's good to have you on the show again, have you back on blurry creatures. You got so many things going.

You're always texting us. We've become good friends. And it's cool to have some fellow, just some. some companionship in this crazy space of trying to figure out what's going on in our world, talking about, you know, all the weird stuff that both of us talk about on our shows. And a lot of fans love both of our shows. They always going back and forth. And that's cool. It's cool to see the camaraderie and people like, you should get Tony on and vice versa. And you've heard, and a lot of people in our members chats are like, hey, you listen to this episode from Tony and

this and that. And there's a lot of discussion that goes around. So it's cool that there's just this symbiotic relationship between our podcast. And it's great to have you back on the show, man. That's good to be here, man. I appreciate it. And congratulations to both of you guys on the show growing and stuff. I've been watching and it's awesome. I love seeing it.

Thanks, man. But you've been a busy man. You're stepping out into other forms of media, which I think is awesome, especially in this space. I feel like it's underserved in quality, I feel like. Not that there's a lot of stuff out there. But all you got to do is scroll through Amazon. And you can find a bunch of docs that are just not up to snuff.

I mean, unless we're talking about a very, very select few. Not a lot of good dog docs. No, there's not. No, and even in this space, I think, in general, there's not a lot of good Bigfoot docks. There's not a lacking. There's not a lacking of volume. There's a lack of quality. Yeah.

It's so hard, though. I mean, I do a lot of video editing in the band days and stuff. And producing a full length is trying to make it interesting, especially with the creature that's so elusive. It's, what do you do? How do you even make that? How do you make that compelling? It's really hard. Well, I mean, one of the best things to recognize as somebody who finds himself leading a lot in different situations is knowing what you're not good at.

So, I mean, I surrounded myself with guys who knew what they were doing. So Ward was on this trip. We have two cameramen. Ward on this trip was the main camera guy. And moving forward, we don't have a need to change that unless the situation calls for it, I guess. But Ward, he years ago used to film for Glenn Beck at the Blaze. So, like, he knows how to do cameras, you know, and he knows what he's doing. And so even though it was a different format and, you know, carrying a camera through the woods is not standing still in a studio and all that stuff. He knows cameras, which is very important. And then there's Christian who's done stuff with different TV channels. And he's a treasure hunter. And he has a really, really good eye for the, the, the, storyline of something. And while we're out there and we're doing our thing in his head, he's already picturing the final product, planning it together, piecing it together.

And between those two, they handled everything. I mean, I didn't have to do any video editing, nothing like that. I showed up. We filmed. We did our thing. They did all the production. We did the VIP release last Friday. And I hadn't seen the documentary until last Monday. I had no idea what I even looked like. And so I just trusted them, you know, because they knew what they were doing. So that was a big thing off my shoulders. And I think that's kind of how I keep things moving around and stuff. I just surround myself with people who are good at things that I'm not good at.

And together we get cool stuff done. Yeah. It's kind of like, you know, the band days. You find someone who's great at the drums and then you figure out, you know, it's this relationship of everyone has. has their skill and they bring it to the table and that's awesome. And we didn't really kick off the show very well. You're producing, working with these guys producing a doc called Expedition Dogman. Yeah. I don't even think we said that. So sorry for listeners you don't know what we're talking about.

We just dive in. Yeah, I'm awful with like promotion, marketing, self-promotion, all that stuff. Hi, I'm Tony Merkel. I host the confessional's podcast and I'm doing documentaries. Yeah, it's called Expedition Dog Man. And what happened is a lot of year. slash organic chicken farmer. Yeah. Agrarian master. Yeah. Future agrarian master.

What you guys are talking about is I'm moving to Tennessee with you guys and next month. And so I'm going to be getting chickens building the greenhouse, goats, all that fun stuff. But yeah. So last year we had an episode with a guy named Kyle. And he's from Kentucky. And he contacted me about this terrifying experience he had in a way. when he was 15. And it was really like one of those stories you walked away from just like with

your jaw on the floor. And and really like if you're a skeptical person when it comes to these bizarre creatures, people say they see and stuff, like you really walk away from that saying either that guy is telling the truth or he's crazy, but a really good storyteller. And the details that go into this story. And so during that interview, I said to him, you know, if I came down there, would you let me see where this happened? And he said, yeah. And he hadn't been there since he was 15 years old when it happened. And so that started the whole process of me getting a team together to go down there because he told me if I go down, I'm going to need to bring an army. I'm just like, crap. Like, what are we what are we got to get into here? And I wanted to bring in a

team of three other guys down with me. I did have a lot more guys and they started dropping off. But, you know, God found a way to provide the perfect team because these guys just, we meshed so well on this week. And we went down to Kentucky and we hunted the Danubeon National Forest for a week for this dog man. And it was, it was an experience for sure. There were some really bizarre things that happened during this week. And I, you know, I'm at the point now since we did the VIP release last Friday, we're releasing the, documentary to the public on March 25th on the YouTube channel for the Confessionals. And I'm, I'm just, I'm ready to talk about what happened. So like, I, like, you, if you guys don't think

you're going to ask me a wrong question, I'm like, I'm ready just to lay it out in the table because some bizarre things happened down there. And even leading up to it, my mindset of what dog man could be started, started shifting and changing even down onto the ride down there. Like, I was listening to some things that I just wish, I almost wish I didn't hear going to Kentucky to hunt the dog man. I was like, oh, I wish I didn't know that. I don't need to know that. You know, let's put this way. I started, I looked in my back seat and I saw a box full of ammo. I was like, I don't know if I have the right stuff here. It's got to be like that scene in tremors, remember when the, when the tremor comes through the wall and they have all the guns and they were shooting with the elephant gun.

Oh, dude, that was. Oh, dude, that was scared me to death when I was. Dude, it scared me. me to death as well. But I always think, like, the survivor, they were the survivors and they had the, they had this arsenal. If anyone had seen the movie, it's like these, these giant worms live underground. They, breaks through the wall, these, this couple that has, like, a whole artillery in their basement just starts unloading on this thing. Tony, yeah.

What you're saying reminds me of, like, when I was in college, it's funny. I remember, remember the Blair Witch Project came out? And there was all this, like, weirdness around, like, they, it was a pseudo-doc and was it true? I remember watching it, you know, and kind of getting spooked the day before I went camping. And so then I'm camping in college with a bunch of buddies after watching the Blair Witch Project. So I'm not saying, I said they're stacking up rocks, right, to try to mess with them. But when you start prepping for these things, like, I would love to hear it.

Talk about the perception and how it changed on your way down. And then because I think that's a good leading. I think if everyone's going to watch the doc, and we assume that most of our listeners will go check this out. It's going to be, you know, we've, Nate and I have got to get to preview it and, and seen parts of it and not finished it yet. It's amazingly well done. And it's, I would love to hear about your thought process as maybe really an intro for our listeners too as to get into it to understanding like what they're going to see and how that, how that, how that, how that, how that, how that, how you mentally prepare for that and how that changed. And then we'd love to hear about the weird stuff, man. Like, that's, that's what we're here for. All right. So going into the trip to Kentucky, uh, going into just, the thought of dog man traditionally for me. I hear so many different types of stories and people lump it together underneath the category of dogman. But I started, I was from a while ago now, I thought, I think what people are experiencing is several different things going on, but they don't know how to describe it. So they just call it all dog man. I was like, I think some people are

coming across this like wild beastly thing. And then when you start having other people saying things like, you know, it popped up in their house, you know, and there was no sign of breaking and entering. It just, you know, something inside of them told them to look to their left and all of a sudden there's this dog standing there. Like, that's more demonic to me. And so I was kind of like categorizing things like that. And, and then leading up to the week we went down, I had, I didn't even plan it this way. I had done some dog man type interviews. And one was with another podcaster. And he had this thought of, he has this like theory that I had first, I had never heard before. I'm sure other people thought of it, but it was this metaphysical dog man.

And he talked about how he believes that these are from another realm. And the longer they're in this realm, the more physical they become. And he had his own theories as to why that was stemming back to his own personal experience that he experienced with several other people. And it wasn't until years later that when he was comparing notes with them, that they saw something completely different than what he saw and it shifts his paradigm. Sometimes it feels like when you get that phone bill, it's like the crash site document. You can't read it. There's a bunch of numbers, random fees, vague language, stuff's blacked out.

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and stuff, you know, you hear scientists like, I always forget his name, but I think it's Ernest Moniz. He was on the Chelsea Handler show years ago, and they asked him about the upside down kind of tongue and cheek, and he's like, well, we actually do dabble in parallel universes. And that was groundbreaking back then. I think it's still groundbreaking now for a mainstream scientist to say something like that. And I guess it all depends on how you view certain things as to how far you're willing to go down those thought processes. But I mean, just in the sense, like, I know all three of us are Christians here. I mean, like, just in the sense of the spiritual realm, there's definitely other things going on in other realms that we can't reach out and touch, you know? And so it's not that foreign to me. It's

not that hard of a concept for me to grasp on that kind of level. And so if these things are coming in from other realms, what are they? So you start thinking. thinking, okay, are these things, you know, demonic? But then, you know, they, they seem very physical. Like Kyle's experience in the woods that night. I mean, the only reason why he survived that is because his dog, his hunting dog intervened. There was physical repercussions for that. I mean, so at one point, Kyle's on the ground. He fell over and this thing's on top of him. And he was so close to them, to him that he said he could look and see down its throat. I mean, it was so close. And by the way, this is episode 335 of the Confessionals podcast. And so,

And then there's another point where he, well, several points where he says that his dog intervenes and this thing throws his dog through the woods. And so he thought his dog was dead. He found the dog next day. The dog survived, but it was just torn to pieces. So there's physical aspects to this. It wasn't just all in his brain. I started thinking about that kind of stuff. And I'm driving through central Pennsylvania at four o'clock in the morning. I had to take the long way to Kentucky because I can't, I'm in the Philly area and I can't go through Maryland with the kind of guns and ammo I had on me. I was thinking if I get pulled over, the trip's over. So I went from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh straight across the state, then down through West Virginia into Kentucky. And I'm central Pennsylvania and I'm listening to, I don't know if you guys are familiar with Tim Poole. He's a YouTuber. And I was listening to him just, they're talking, you know, whatever, but it was

in October, the beginning of October. And so they were just kind of like not focusing on it, but they had a little bit of a spooky theme going where they were like, talk to somebody about a spooky experience or something. And it so happened that they had their one podcaster, Shane Cashman in studio where they were just gearing up to start a new podcast through his media company. Shane had said that he was interviewing a woman who was a member of like a school of mystery. And she told him the things that they were doing in the school, learning how to cast spells and things like that. And one of the things that she said in the one class she was in, they were learning how to open portals.

and she said that they opened a portal and she saw an upright walking dog come through the portal. And I'm driving down to Kentucky at 4 o'clock in the morning. And I'm like, and that's when I looked in the backseat. And I'm like, I don't know if I have the right kind of ammo here. I'm reaching for my Bible somewhere.

I'm like, where's this at? You know? So I get to Kentucky. And one thing I'll tell you, and you guys being so close to Kentucky where you live and stuff, maybe you're more familiar than I am, but I had no idea how big the Daniel Boone National Forest was. I mean, it is huge. I remember seeing a sign about entering into Kentucky, and then shortly after that, I saw a sign saying that I was entering into the Daniel Boone National Forest.

I look at my GPS. I have over an hour to go yet. I mean, like, I think myself, like, I'm going to the Daniel Boone National Forest. I'm going to be staying in the Daniel Boone, yet I still have an hour to go. I'm thinking myself, how big is this place? Turns out, it's true. really big. And so I get down there with my team and we start prepping for the week and we meet up with Kyle and, you know, the week ensues from there. And we had interesting experiences. The first day, Kyle took us out to, Kyle has seen these things twice in his life. Once when he was a kid at 15 and once I think he was like a young adult. And the second time, it was nothing major. He said he's just coming out of the woods with his dogs and this thing had crossed the road. And it was real fast,

real brief. Kyle says that down there, the culture is different. And he and his family acknowledge these things exist. He's not the only one who's had experiences with these things. In fact, after his first experience in the woods that night, he was with his grandfather, who was in the truck that night. And he gets in the truck. He's like, dress drive, drive, drive. And he's telling his grandfather what happened. And his grandfather, right after this thing happened to him, he said that his grandfather told him that there are things out in the woods that he's not going to understand. And he has to come to grips with that because if he can't, he's not going to make a great hunter. Like he has to just understand that these things are out there. And Kyle had shared stories

about, you know, throughout his family's line of the bizarre things that happened in Kentucky, not mentioning, not even just dogmen, just weird things. And so we go out to this first location and we're hiking through the woods. And we found a very big, a very big track. And in the documentary, I called it a canine track. And I think some of the other team said it was either a cat track or a dog track. But whatever it was, it was huge. I mean, my hand could fit inside the track. And you could feel the toes. And it was very interesting. It was only one track we found, but whatever it was, it was huge. And apparently in Kentucky, the same thing applies as Pennsylvania where the government's to say there are no mountain lines in those states, even though in Pennsylvania,

We know they're here. It's just for whatever reason. The government doesn't want to acknowledge that. It's a similar thing in Kentucky. So even if this was a mountain line, though, I mean, this is a huge, huge mountain line. I mean, the thing had to be around for a very long time to get that big. Because I guess in the Pacific Northwest, they get to be about, I guess they max out around 250. Whatever this thing was, I mean, it was at minimum 250. It was absolutely huge. And so I believe it was a dog print. Kyle kind of was unsure because of the condition of the print, and he was our tracker. I mean, he's very good at tracking. And so that was our first day.

I mean, we got that on film, and it was pretty interesting. But then as the week got unfolded, it just got weirder and weirder. The dog man thing's so fascinating, Tony, because, like, you know, obviously we've talked to Darkwater's about Dogman. And I was going to come on. I remember I talked to you a while ago about talking about the dog man I saw as a kid. And there's this weird blend of some people think it's a physical creature. Some people think it's a demon.

Some people think it's all the above. And, you know, we talked to Roger Saker up in, you know, up in Minnesota about sort of this portal that he has on his property and the dog man that came out of his. All kinds of creatures came out of these portals. And we talked to Tim Albarino about portals and Stargates. And there is this weird conversation, especially with Christians, of where do these things come from? Do these portals exist? And they seem to be more than just demons. And I think that we just slap that on everything we hear about.

Oh, it's just demons. But the more you get into it, the more confusing it is. Like there's something, demons seem something specific. And these things are, they don't, they sound like they could be influenced by them. But they're not. Yeah. You know what I mean? They're not, it's not the same.

And I thought it was interesting too, Tony. And what Nate's saying is, is the way you're describing, he's, encounters is like very much apples to apples like Bigfoot. Like you have this thing that is physical that interacts and sometimes what picks kids up and sometimes breaks trees and throws them. Very physical. And yet at the same time, weird stuff like disappears in front of people, has orbs and lights that are with it.

You talk about all these experiences that people have with this creature. And it's so much the same in a lot of ways is understanding like it just feels. feels like apples to apples and you're like this is a it's physical and yet there's something very strange about its interaction interdimensional reaction right or actions like where it it seems to you know walk through portals or but dogman seems a little more sinister even though we have we'll even though we have sinister accounts of bigfoot like we talked to Nate we talked to Duke and he was talking about these just wild like evil bigfoot things that you know and then you talk about Native American lore and there's Bigfoot are taking kids and kidnapping kids and eating them.

Sounds a lot more like Nephilim and a lot less like, you know, like a bigfoot. But this is really interesting because it's the same dynamic. It feels like a very similar dynamic, just maybe more sinister. Well, the Dogman thing, I remember listening to Linda Godfrey talk about Dogman quite a bit. And she told one story about this poor woman on a farm. And she said her house got surrounded by like 10 of them one night. They all came out and they were like walking around her house and she was like surrounded by them. Bigfoot encounters are like nothing compared to some of these dog man encounters I've heard.

They're terrifying. Is it possible that these things come from similar origins but yet not be the same thing? I mean, because there are the similarities of, you know, people's experiences that, you know, the paranormal angle of the experience or the very physical nature of the experience, the fact that both of them seem to have a lot of experiences circulating around the forest and the woods, the wilderness. You do hear people talk about the more paranormal side of Bigfoot. I don't know if it's true or not, but you hear people talk about how they almost have relationships with these things. You don't hear about that as much with Dogman, except for the fact that I think at least

twice, but I know I just can't remember the third one. I think it's been three times in my show. I've had somebody talking about dogman as a child, their experience. And it was an incredibly different type of experience than what you get as an adult. All three people were children. All three people said that it was a very peaceful, calming interaction with these things. So like the last person I had on the show that was talking about that, he went to a friend's house to play. And his friends like, hey, I want you to meet my friend and stuff. He's like, okay, cool.

So they get on their bikes and they ride their bikes out into the wood. and they come across an old like run down shack kind of thing. And so he gets off his bike, his friend does. And he runs up on the porch. And he said on the porch, there was tons of like chewed up toys and everything like that. And he peeks in the window. He's like,

oh, great, he's here. And he goes up on the porch and he looks in. And he says, he's this giant dog standing inside the house. And I asked him, I said, do you think that your friend was friendly with this thing? And the sense that he's bringing him those toys and stuff.

And he said, I get the sense that that's what he was doing and stuff. And terrified terrified him. He ran away and stuff. but it's this idea of like this, I had this lady on the show years ago. Lisa, she had firsthand interaction with this thing, very peaceful interaction with this on multiple occasions. And so what is that? I don't know. I have no idea, but I've never heard, and maybe that's out there, but I've never heard a story of somebody as an adult having a

peaceful encounter with dog man. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, the thing I saw, as a kid, it was freaky. No way. Like, you know. Yeah, it wasn't benevolent. And the weird thing about Dogman is, I've heard some people say that they come into, come into houses. So you're saying, yeah.

Yeah, inside people's places. And ours was in an urban setting. And we talked to Dark Waters about that. And he was saying how that is the weirder part of Dogman sightings. You expect to see crypted creatures in the forest. at some point if you have listened to any podcast, you know that there's weird stuff out there. But you don't expect to see this stuff in a city.

In the living room. In the suburbs. Yeah. Yeah. But it can manifest somehow in that way. And then you have the whole history, right? You have histories of explorers and people talking about there's islands with these dog-faced creatures living on them. And then you have the beast in France.

It's a big werewolf that was like. There was a werewolf eating people in France. It was like in the 1600s. The Beast of Jebedon, I think it was called or something like that. So there's this whole history of werewolf creatures and dog man. Sounds official, Nate. Your French is great. Yeah, we, we.

I think Jed talked about that on one episode, too. And then you have the dogman and the Egyptian, what are they called the Nubis? Yeah. So you have this whole history, and then you still see them to this day. So, I mean, are all those the same? I don't think so. I think there are various breeds and various types. Or even origins.

Like, I mean, really, it could be various origins, too. We could go down the road of, is there human manipulation going on here, like genetically, on purpose? We could also go into the occultic angle of, you know, are they, is there somebody, are there people in the occult that are doing certain types of rituals trying to turn themselves into these kind of creatures and stuff. They talk about these things openly. My one cameraman Ward, he was talking about this theory.

He really has dove into this theory a lot. And the watered down version, because I'm not on the same level as Ward when it comes to this knowledge and stuff, is that he suggests that through some kind of, I forget what it's called, but it's an occultic ritual, somebody will put like a wolfskin over themselves and they'll do the ritual trying to turn themselves in. into this kind of a creature and Ward ventured out the theory that is it possible that people who are encountering, let's just call a dog man, are encountering somebody doing a ritual like that and they're falling underneath some kind of spell where they're seeing what the person is

trying to project. It's like a skinwalker. I mean, it sounds exactly like a skinwalker, the shamanic sort of, man. I mean, that's... Speaking of Skinwalker, that's my next documentary. We're going out there. Is it? Yeah.

Well, the weird thing, though, is it. They all look like a dog. They all look like this similar beast, which just makes it so much more confusing of all the creatures. That's the thing that these things manifest as. So there could be like an actual hybrid chimera, you know, some sort of wolf, you know, human spirit breed that survived all these years

from the, maybe from the days of no, if they're from the corrupted creation. You know, that could be a thing. And then there could be the Skinwalker version, which is more, you know, satanic, more of a spiritual ritual. But then the flesh and blood, I mean, if you have anyone on your show where they shot this thing and the thing bleeds blood, I mean, how physical of the stories that you've heard of the dog man.

I mean, it's leaving footprints. It's... Oh, a tactic guy, right? It's eating things. Well, I'll tell you, I don't think I've had anybody on the show talking about shooting a dog man. I know I've heard stories of such where somebody shot a dog man and didn't even phase it. Like it just didn't.

And like they had rounds that should have. Silver bullet. It should have killed. Right. Maybe they need for packing a silver bullet. Was it a silver bullet? That's probably why. Yeah.

Well, it sounds like the Skinwalker Ranch thing like in some ways where they had that, I mean, how much you dove into that, but there was this giant wolf creature that showed up and they shot it a few times and then nothing happened to it. It sounds like what you're saying. And man, it's. Dude, this is wild stuff. The River Wins talked about a skin walk. Yeah.

One turned into a coyote and ran off and then they shot it. And then the next day, some guy walked into the... With a shot in his arm or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, wow. Which was kind of a dog man, a coyote man.

I don't know. So, Tony, you find a giant footprint. This is day one. And then, I mean, how long are you out there again a week? Yeah, we were out there for about a week. Are you guys camping or glamping or... Yeah. Dark Waters told you not to do this, by the way.

Yeah, he's, yeah. Like, he told me several times leading out to it that, and I'm not going to repeat in Dark Waters fashion, but he told me I was stupid for doing it. And so I figured, why not have him on the documentary too? So one night before we hit the woods, we called him and had that in the documentary, and he's sharing his thoughts of how dumb I am.

But this is, we only got to day one. So, I mean, what, what happens after the footprint? So we go back that night, we went actually to go check and see the access point to where we could get to for the second or the first encounter that he had. There's an access road that goes deep into the woods. And he said during the recording with me last year, he said that every week, the first week of October, this thing gets opened up so people can drive their trucks back there for hunting season

and stuff like that. And he said, we need to get down there the first week of October because after that, that area is going to be crawling with hunters and you don't want to be out there when they're hunting. understood. So that's why we went down the first week of October. After that, we saw that print. We go and for that gate to see if it's open, we get up to the gate, it's closed, it's locked. And I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Because that means one, the only thing I can do is hike in. And Kyle wasn't a fan of it. Kyle told us right away that he wasn't going to go out there at night. I mean, we were on our own at night. He was not doing it. So we were limited as to how much we, how long we had Kyle.

and we also knew that we had to get out of the woods at a certain time before dark. So the fact that we couldn't drive our trucks back there meant that we're hiking in, which means we have to leave sooner than we'd want to just to get Kyle out, all that stuff. But the adrenaline pump was awesome. Like, I'm telling you, man, like, we see it. It's closed. We go back to the cabin. We're talking and stuff.

And we went out the next day and hiked in during the day. And I'm, I am not kidding you. This was like a six-mile hike just to get to the point where Kyle said we could park the truck originally and then hike into the woods. The pre-hike. We didn't even get, like this whole week, we didn't get to the actual location where this happened because of how long the hike was. It just wasn't enough time. There was one point where the road forked. And if you go to the right, it was really, really overgrown.

Like the whole road was overgrown. It wasn't used hardly at all. But going to the right, you could tell nobody went back there. And so we're like, all right, let's go back there because Kyle had this idea that there were some water tanks placed throughout the forest for animals to drink out of. So they wouldn't have to go into the big lake where the hunters were, all that stuff. So he said, if we could find one of these water tanks, it might be a good idea to set up some cameras there and let them run. And so that's what we went back there for because he was pretty sure there's a water tank back there. So we hike back there.

I think it was probably about a mile back. And we get to this point where this road kind of clears out a little bit and it makes like a hard U-shade. And at that point, Kyle was, he was, I just got distracted because I just saw blurry creatures updated. And on their Instagram, I was like, I posted us talking right now. It's so funny. Live update. Live update. I was like, I bet I know what that is, but I got to keep talking.

That's awesome. So we get to that point and Kyle said he believed the water tank was up this hill to our right. And so we had a rule going into the woods that at no point under no circumstances were we to split up, period. And so we had. Sounds like a horror movie. Like, dude, do not leave her. This is what bad things happen when you leave us alone, right? Dude, don't go, don't go hide in the shed with the chainsaws.

Don't be alone. And that was the way we were thinking about it. We were just like... Well, that's how all the missing 4-1-1 stories get. Yes. Yes. Like someone walks off 20 feet, 30 feet ahead, go browns the bend into a portal.

Never seen again. And that's what happened. I'm missing half my team right now. No, I'm just kidding. This is the big reveal. Everybody's gone. Yeah, they're all gone. And I'm in a middle of like five lawsuits with people's families.

should have you. Could you imagine? I mean, it would be crazy. But so we break our rule at that point. And Kyle and I decide, and we weren't thinking about the rule, but Kyle and I decided that we were going to walk up this hill to look for the water tank. And we get, I'd say 20, 30, 40 feet up the hill.

And all of a sudden, I hear my team down at the bottom going, get back here, get back here. I'm like, oh, let's go, you know? And we get down to the hill and stuff. And they're like, did you hear that? I was like, No, what? And they are freaking out. They're like, like, I could see it in their eyes. Like something big just happened. I look over and Kyle's reaction is going through like PTSD moment. And like, like his face melted. Like the whole, the whole hike in, he was on edge. He like he noticed

things that I just wouldn't have noticed. I'm not a hunter. I don't have the experience in those woods like he did. And like, so when we're hiking, he would stop and just. be listening and be like, what do you hear? And he said, nothing and that's the point. And then like, he's like, there's, there's something around us that's keeping the squirrels quiet. And so whatever that is, you know, you could be any kind of predator, but he was very aware. And so seeing his face melt the way it did, I just, I saw Kyle the entire hike in being very serious because he had not gone back to that area since he was a child. And to see his face go from serious to like, whatever I saw, I was like, oh, crap, something's happening.

He walks away, sits on the trail, puts his head between his legs, just trying to, like, I guess, block out everything that's going on. And I start talking to my team. And I'll tell you this, this is the big focal point of the documentary. I don't want to spoil it for people, but I will tell you this. There was something very, very large and very, very strong about 20 to 30 feet away from my team in the woods. It made itself known. It made itself its presence, them aware of its presence.

We're talking about something that's probably on the metaphysical level. It's one of the most bizarre thing. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever gone through. And I didn't even go through it. I wasn't present. And the two guys that saw this, they were stunned. They were stunned. And so I break my rule again at that moment.

And we were talking and Ward. is he's a he's like a tactical guy i mean he does like self-defense training and like guns all that stuff and he's but he's the guy that out of all of us that was just like very the whole time we were there he was like okay this is the tactical way we're going to do this that and the other and i'm actually surprised he said yes to this i remember looking back at and like i can see in his face is like this is a really bad idea but i'm going to say yes because i know i'm outnumbered anyways uh we took a vote it was unanimous we sent Christian and Joel off by themselves to circle around this hillside because we at the moment,

in the moment, we believe that this thing ran up the hill to go down the other side of the hill. And this road wrapped around that hill. And so we said, okay, guys, go ahead off by yourself and try circling around and pushing it back up towards us. After they left, it was probably about 20, 30 minutes. And all of a sudden it hit me. I'm like, oh, man. I have two radios on me, which means they don't have a radio.

And so I started thinking, like, the only way I'm going to know if something bad is happening is if I hear a gunshot. And by then, it's too freaking late. And so I'm starting to get a little nervous. And while we're waiting for them to come back, word starts going up the hill in front of me and trying to circle in to where they saw this thing. And me and Kyle are sitting on or standing on this trail, this access road. And he goes, do you see that? And I said, no, I don't. And I'm looking. I'm trying to see what he's seen. He's like, you don't see that. I said, no. And he said, there's a light. And this is broad daylight. It's probably like four o'clock in the afternoon. And he said, there's a light flickering in the trees right there. And I'm looking, looking,

and I eventually see what he's talking about. And it looked like if somebody was sitting in a tree with a little LED flashlight flicking it on and off at us. And it's bright, sunny, blue sky day. We're so deep in the forest. Like there's no litter. There's no trash. Nothing like that. But in my head, I'm trying to rationalize it.

I'm thinking, is there some kind of balloon stuck in the tree that's flickering? So I go over because it wasn't far. Like I took maybe 10 feet off the access road and I'm standing where we saw this light. And I'm standing underneath this tree. And I don't see anything. Like, I see nothing. But when I go back out in the road, it starts up again. And it would start flickering on and off.

And then it's done. And then it'd come back. So weird. And I've heard of stories like this, you know? So I was in Salt Fork State Forest years ago. It was like 1 o'clock in the morning. And me and three other guys are hiking this, this really tiny trail on a hillside. And on my left side, there's water, like a steep drop off to a creek.

You can hear the water running. And then there's a steep hill to my road. right and I'm hiking and I'm looking up the hill and I see a light inside the canopy of the forest flickering on and off. And I stop everybody. I say, guys, you see this and they all saw it. And then it just went away. And so, like, I had seen something similar to that, but this was broad daylight. And it happened right at the spot that all this action happened. So the guys finally come back and we're like, okay, so we're kind of like playing the numbers game. All right, Kyle, how far do we have to go on this hike still to get to the place where your grandfather parked the truck for you to

hike in and get, you know, almost killed by a dog man. And, and we, um, it had to be actually sooner than four because we actually decided to keep hiking back. And we actually got to that point, but that was like, it was so far. We had to get out of the woods and get Kyle back, you know, to his, his safe spot in his vehicle. So that day, we decided that we had all that action happen to that spot. And so we were going to make that our focus for the rest of the week. We went out to a steakhouse that night. We're talking about it. And we're trying to decide, you know, how to go about all this stuff. And we're just like, all right, we're just going to do this. I had brought coyote urine.

Because during the story, he's hunting raccoons. And what happened is you heard his dogs treat a raccoon. Him and his grandfather both heard coyotes coming in. And so his grandfather got on the radio with him and said, do you hear the coyotes? Yeah. Get in there before there's a fight. So the coyotes come in. Big fight ensues.

Dog man comes in. Well, we believe that the coyotes is what attracted this dog man. And so I had brought the coyote urine. I bought a predator, a howl sound that made it sound like a dying coyote. And so I'm like, let's just do this. And so we went to Walmart that night and got steaks and we're hanging them from, we were like, we're going to hang them from trees. And we're just going to see what we can come up with.

And, you know, we went out there at night. And I'll tell you, knowing you're in an area where this story happened and you're about to hike miles into the woods, pitch black at night by yourself. oh, it was adrenaline city. You know, I mean, we were pumped. And we finally get to that spot at night and we wound up hanging the stake up and we have night vision and all that stuff. So you see it in the documentary.

And something very similar happened that night to the two of the guys. Again, I wasn't there. We split up, of course. But it was a different kind of split up because me and Christian were just going on the Hillside to watch through the night vision, the guys doing their thing. Like, we were keeping an eye on them. And some bizarre things happened that night as well. Some funny things, too, comical things that we'll be talking about publicly here in a week or so. But yeah, it was an experience that I'll never forget. It made a great documentary. And I'll tell you, at the very end of the documentary,

people's jaws are going to be left on the floor because something happened to Kyle after we left Kentucky. It involves him and his family. And I think there, I think there's a lot of things we can explore thought through thought as to what these things are, but are they connected to other creatures? Because something happened at Kyle's house that wasn't dog, man, it was something else. And his whole family saw it. And it seemed like it was coming for Kyle. It's, it's really, like, bizarre. So, yeah. Expert level teaser there. and I'm literally just telling you what happened right right that reminds me is something

Luke that the dark water said you know he said that sometimes people see these cryptic creatures and then they have paranormal activity happen inside their house soon thereafter so it's like seeing something this stuff is not a good it's almost like a bad I don't know I mean I don't know how much like you know at being a Christian and you know having the Holy Spirit with you that's what I was going to ask yeah I mean I was going to ask if

the other guys are believers and if you think that there's if they weren't that would be then if you think that there was something to do with so I didn't plan it this way but again like I said before god put it all together everybody on my team's a Christian and and I wasn't going into it saying I need Christians around me I had a bunch of guys planning to come and they were dropping like flies and I'm scrambling, and I wanted a bigger team. I wound up having two cameraman and Joel, everybody's Christian. And I thought that that was an ordained thing.

And the chemistry we had in that week, it's cemented in all of our minds. Everybody wants to pursue more of these documentaries and we want to do it together. This is the team, period. Yeah. So I think I was just wondering, because I wonder, like Nate was kind of getting at

You wonder, it's interesting to see like that they had two of these crazy experiences and you weren't there, which is interesting that like, I think it's maybe the interesting thing about this whole space in some ways too is that some people have some sort of predisposition or some predisposal to experience, having experiences. And some people just don't. And you may be in the same, I mean, look how. It's crazy. So I am, I think, in a sense. But that's been changing recently. And I don't know why. So in the documentary, you'll see me talk.

It's not really focused on, but I did see something that day we were taking down a camera as we were wrapping it up. Ward had already left. I just saw something real brief as I was scanning the tree line behind me before I turned my back to take this camera down. All I can test, all I can say is it looked, whatever it was. And again, I have a hard time even saying. I saw it because it happened so fast.

And when I look back real fast, I didn't see anything. But whatever I saw, it was ashy gray, very large, and it was walking up the hillside behind of a down tree. So I saw like the head part, like side profile. And it was gone. I literally was turning my head. I jerked back real fast. And in like a split second, it was just gone.

But I will say this, something really bizarre happened in my house last week. And it was, I don't know how to describe it, but it happened to me and my wife. We were down here. It was late at night. I'm in my studio, which is in my basement, and I'm working and we're talking about the documentary. It's going to be dropping. So we're talking about dog man. Ward had just sent over a picture earlier that evening of a, I think a friend of his at church sent him.

It was a trail can picture in their backyard. And they caught a very weird looking dog. It looked like a mangy dog to me, coyote or something. I don't know. But the person who had the picture, I guess had several other pictures. He had done some measurements and he thought the estimation was from ground to the top shoulder was about 40 inches, which is really big. I mean, that's not a coyote big or that coyotes would never be that big as far as I

understand. But anyways, so I was talking about that. I was looking at that with my wife, Lindsay, and we go upstairs in the kitchen and we're getting ready to go to sleep and, you know, we're having some Clementine, so, you know, the midnight snack. My cat, which is the only pet we have is sitting in the kitchen right in front of us. we're talking and we all of a sudden I hear and feel and she feels and hears something walking in my house and the reason why I know the general location was in my house the downstairs is hardwood floor

once you get to the stairs and all upstairs is carpet what we heard was it sounded like something with nails clacking on the floor like you would hear a dog across a hardwood floor And we felt it. Like we felt the thudding. Like it was heavy. And it was sounded bipedal. It was very weird. We didn't hear anything after that.

It was really quick. It happened for maybe five seconds. And nothing since. And I've been working down here to like two, three o'clock in the morning since then. And nothing's happened. It was very weird. And just kind of put this idea in my head. I was like, can you kind of put a target on your back by giving things the attention,

you know? I've been doing this stuff where I talk to people about their personal experiences for five years now. And for five years, I mean, I've had a pretty clean bill of health. I've had weird little things and stuff, but nothing like the people on my show. And I do believe there's a spiritual component where I am protected doing this stuff. But it doesn't mean that you're not going to have attempts on you either. You know, like I do think that just being a Christian pursuing your relationship with God puts a target on your back in a spiritual sense.

and you know I don't know but I I wouldn't say we were scared we just kind of weirded out we're just like oh that was weird you know so yeah to do it take that or whatever whatever it is that's that's crazy it's funny telling you like we had um I don't know if I told you this Nate or not we were recording one night I think I did tell you this we were recording one night and you know Nate and are doing an episode and my wife is she usually just does whatever like when we record like she's watches the shows I don't want to watch on Netflix or whatever you you know, the things that she's, she's around, but she comes running in here. And she's like, I want to, can I sit in here?

I'm like, yeah, I guess. So she sat on the floor here, like in a dog bed with one of the dogs. And I'm like, what's going on? Like, and it wasn't until we rapped that she's like, I don't know what you were interviewing or who you were talking to, but something very big walked by our bedroom window. I saw it, walked by our bedroom window when you were recording and it freaked me out. And just for reference, like our master sits up enough that, like, if you were to, that I'm six foot five, and like I can I can't look in the window which I just made me think of that I don't

have even talked about that before but it was like bizarreo in the sense that like and I think you are on to something I don't know that it that we in this space because we do you know we do a similar thing but I feel like whenever you are a threat to the kingdom of darkness you you're going to get a pushback obviously right when every time you're pushing back the darkness you're going to get and I I think to this point it's always been some sort of validation that in my mind that you're making a difference for the kingdom of God because if you weren't a threat, there's not a whole lot of reason for the enemy to mess with you. Otherwise, unless there's some sort of more ulterior motive to, you know, you're not a believer and they want to scare you

into some sort of whatever it may be, right? But there's, there is something to that, I think. Sometimes when you walk places and tread places, there, you have a hedge of protection, but doesn't mean that things aren't going to walk by that hedge, right? Or walk by, or circle your, you're, you're borders to try to instill fear. So I'll tell you, this is something that I recently started talking more about. And it's, it's nothing that I was ashamed of at all, obviously. But for years, I felt like the time just wasn't right. And so I was very guarded with who I told this to and how often I talked about it. But I don't know, over the last year or so, it just felt like the Holy Spirit is telling me, it's time now. And so I tell people when it comes up, and I'll say this story here,

the confessionals started because God told me it was going to start. God told me that this was going to happen. I wasn't pursuing being a podcaster. I was into the Bigfoot stuff. I had my own little Facebook group, whatever, driving truck, and I was happy driving truck. I miss driving truck. It's a lot of fun for me. But I'm driving down Germantown Road in Philadelphia. And I felt the Holy Spirit told me that one day I'm going to be podcasting and I'm going to be working alongside of West Skirmer from Sasquatch Chronicles. And I was like, I didn't know Wes, wasn't friends with Wes, nothing like that. Like I was like, that's weird, you know. But I got in a habit of when I felt the Holy Spirit telling me something, I would tell my wife so that she would be like my witness to whenever, whatever I felt the Holy Spirit telling me is fulfilled. And as I didn't pursue it. I was just like, well, not really that interested in that idea. So God, you could just have to make that happened because it just wasn't up my alley. I just didn't really care to do it. And about a month later, I backed my truck up into the dock at work. I was wrapping my night up. And I got a Facebook

FaceTime call from West Gürmer. And I'd never talked to the guy in my life. We were not friends. And he talked to me about 45 minutes in our first conversation. He's telling me things like, I think you'd be a good podcaster. And I'm just like, I knew you were going to say that, bro. Like, you know, it's just one of those things. I was just like, dang it. I can't believe this is actually happening. And so I say that story to tell you in the audience, I guess, is that like, from day one, when I started this, like, it was something that I knew I was supposed to be doing. I never, and I still don't pursue it as a ministry. I'm an entrepreneur. I'm a, I've always been a business guy. And I've always treated the confessions in that manner. I wanted to grow it.

I wanted to make it into something that I could, you know, feed my family. with and things like that. But God uses it the way he wants to use it. And it's just been really fascinating to see over the years how as imperfect as I am. You know, like I don't, I don't pretend to be anything that I'm not. Like, I'm very rough around the edges. I say things that I regret all the time on the show, off the show, about people that I care about. Like I just, I just say things. And sometimes I'm like, oh, bring that back, you know. And I'm very hard of myself. I feel like there's a lot of times that I've killed my witness, you know, but in those moments, God's just like, now you really underestimate me, underestimating me. We've gotten emails

from people all over the world over the last five years of how the show has either like awoken them spiritually towards God and they're pursuing a relationship or they're pursuing the idea of relationship to people saying that they are Christians now because of the show. And the most, I guess radical transformation that I got notified about is this guy in Australia. He emailed me about a year ago telling me that because of the show, him and his girlfriend started going to church and they became Christians. And that's amazing. I don't talk about that stuff a lot at all, actually. I got a folder in my email that I keep all that stuff in. So when I get bombarded with something really negative, it's messing with my head, I really.

read through that just to remind myself that, you know, I'm doing good in the world too. And so it's more personal. But I recently talked about this on a, on a member episode. And it turns out that guy's a member as well, and he heard that. And so he emailed me an update. And he said, since last year, we gave our lives to Christ. We've been going through Bible study courses to learn the scripture on a deeper level. They've been baptized. They got married. And I'm just like, holy crap, you know? And so, and all that comes from a show talking to people about their paranormal experiences. And it's just, it's so, it's so wild to me because like, I never, like, I don't go on the show to preach, you know, today we're going to be talking about John 316,

guys, you know, like, it's not like that, you know, like I just, I talk to people where they're at in life, whether they're Christian or not, you know, I don't care. We just, I just kind of, whatever worldview they come into this conversation with is where we're going to roll with. And we're just going to have the conversation. I'm not going to waver on my beliefs. Like, I'm not going to say something that I don't believe just because they don't believe it, you know, but it's just, it's just funny how it all works. And I think that there is a real spiritual component to all this. And with what you and your wife experienced, well, what your wife experienced, it really makes me feel like there is an active spiritual component when when it comes to people like us doing what we do.

And I think your wife might have experienced that. Like, it's crazy. But then it's like, okay, so like, let's just say, like, you don't know what it was. Right. But like, let's just say it was Bigfoot. In my backyard. I'm back up to a 400-dicker farm here. So, I mean, I guess.

But here's the thing. So like, like, like with Nate was saying earlier about how these things pop up in urban settings. So like, like, you just, those kind of things make you say, Okay, what are we dealing with here? Okay, what are we dealing with you? I don't want to say it like this, but I lack the vocabulary, I guess, to say it otherwise. It seems like there's a certain level of summoning that goes on with this, where giving these things attention and having conversation, not trying to summon

or not saying I'd like to meet a big foot or a dog man one day, even though that's what I kind of did going hunting for one. Right, right. Like, it's like on a spiritual level, you can almost like draw it, draw it, it's kind of weird. And it's certain. Yeah, it's tough to, it's tough to rationalize like being like a giganticithicist. Like, this is just a big undiscovered ape and it just happened to walk by your window in Franklin, Tennessee. And you're like that, I don't, I'm not saying that's what it was.

And I honestly think that a lot of what, I mean, listen, we talked about this actually in an interview we just had this week was that like the, the tactic of the darkness is fear, right? It fears how, we've watched this play out in the last two, three years here in our own country. Like, that fear is a way to control and it fears a way to subdue and fears a way to enslave. And I don't, and I know there's nothing new under the sun, as Solomon would say. And I know that there are new, new deceptions. They're just new packaging of the same lies. And I think that that's like a go-to arrow in the quiver, you know, of the darkness is to, is to, is to, is to, is to, is to, is to scare and fear whether they want you to stop what you're doing or they want to control

or subdue or keep you from walking the places you're supposed to walk. And so it didn't have to be anything except a fear tactic. And perhaps that's what we're seeing. And that's why I think it's interesting too. You said something that I think is fascinating. Nate, this is way, way back, beginning first episode, we talked to Duke. He said something that stuck with me was that it was something like 60 to 90% of the people that his community that

had an encounter with Bigfoot got saved. It was something like that, right? I don't remember the exact percentage, but it had to do with like people having these encounters. I'll have to go back and look. I'll get fact checked by somebody. But people having these encounters with Bigfoot, he's saying like, you know, a big percentage gets

saved because of their how frightening it was or how impactful. There's something spiritual, supernatural about these encounters that make people run to the light, which I think is also very interesting. People seek this out, like you say, people try to, and I think there's, there's an element to conjuring some things that exist in

the space, but I also think that, like, people that tread and have an encounter that aren't believer, we see, I mean, we had a guy tell us that there's radical conversions in his little community of people that, that have had these encounters in Montana. I think he's in Montana. This has been, I mean, we're in episode 90 something. This was episode like six or seven, right? Like, I'm trying to remember Nate when it was, but it was, there's something really crazy about that. And I think that you're 300 plus episodes into what you're doing and I think you've seen this two

play out is that there's something that happens and people have encounters with the weird and the supernatural and the cryptids and the unexplained. Or there'd be UFOs that makes people confront something that maybe they don't want to confront. Yeah, I mean it's like it challenges

your entire paradigm. Yes, yes. And then you know you have to make sense of it. So all these the way the world works is out the window you have to reconstruct the way you think the world works. And Dark Waters talked a little bit about that on our last episode with him. And I wonder, Tony, I wonder if some of these things remain hidden. Because it's the more it manifests, the more believers it tends to make.

You know, the devil sort of does himself a disservice. Yeah. Because when you see a werewolf creature, it puts the fear of God in you. Yeah, so I've definitely seen that. But I don't know. I mean, I've seen the opposite as well. I mean, for instance, before our podcasting, I had that Facebook group and I was considering shutting it down and moving on because of what I was seeing in the group, it may be feeling easy on a

spiritual level. I was literally praying in my truck one day about it. And I felt the Holy Spirit tell me that he put me in this community to affect change. And so I stuck around. But the reason why I was considering leaving was because I started seeing people say that going into the woods is a spiritual experience for them. It's like going to church. It's like, it started getting like this, this idea of like worshiping these creatures.

And I was like, I don't know if I should be here. And then you got things like alien type stuff where people, you know, they have an experience and they go and they wind up trying to do meditations on a hillside trying to summon these things in. So like there's the other side of it too. But one thing's for sure. It seems like interaction and the, this topic brings people into a more spiritual existence. one way or another. And I think it depends on the individual, maybe who they're surrounded by, how they experience something, what their preconceived notions are going into an experience as to how they live life after that experience. But it definitely seems like there's a real

spiritual component to a lot of people's experiences. And then you have some people like, I think it was episode like 31 I had where like the guy's like, you know, I blew, I blew its face off talking about a big foot. Like he shot it and just blew its face off. And he's like, like, and I killed it and I was that. Like, there was no spiritual anything for him. He was just like, I killed the freaking thing. And then the men of black show up and all this stuff. It was crazy.

No, I hear you with that. There's a lot of people that want to come on our show that are in this space. And there's this very new age vibe. No mention of Jesus. It's just this. We're all awakening. There's this human 2.0. We're all this, you know, all these new age words.

And it's just, you know, they're fascinated by the ancient giants. and megaliths and spirituality. And they have this ancient aliens hybrid theology that they live by, you know, where like everything's spiritual, but there's no framework to make sense of it all. Which I can understand because if you do have an inquisitive mind, you can see, okay, the history we've been taught is fake. The UFO's phenomenon is real. There's advanced technology.

It's coming from somewhere. And it's really easy to buy into these funky narratives that like, oh, yeah, there's just, they're coming from other points. planets and they're here to save us. And, you know, we've interviewed people that, you know, say wild stuff about that. I mean, I know you have probably interviewed way more that have told you about the government and they're working with the government and they're here and the hybrids are here. But it's sad that the new age, sort of those narratives are just pumped in and, and you just want to just reach out to people and be like, you don't even realize like you're totally being deceived right now.

You're totally being lied to. And it's a tough conversation. But I still think that Bigfoot and some of these cryptic creatures are a really good gateway drug to getting your life right with God and this really funny, bizarre way. Because we get those emails too that you were talking about earlier. Like, you know, our show is a little more on the educational side. We bring on the experts, you know, and that tends to get people be like, man, you know, especially a lot of Christians are like, I've been going to church my whole life, but the Bible got boring to me. And now it's not, right? I mean, literally take the entertainment that's in Hollywood that they build so much stuff that that you pay for, like, just read your Old Testament. It's, it's there, you know? Like,

like the Marvel movies, right? Those are super huge. But like, most Christians have never heard of David's Mighty Men. And like, those dudes were Marvel characters. Like, they were legit. And so, like, it's exciting when you get, when you actually start learning this stuff. But the problem is, I'm, all right, I'm just going to say this simply, the culture in the American church doesn't permit this kind of stuff to be talked about. And it, and that's the, the most gentle way I can say it on somebody else's show because I don't want to. I get extremely heated about it. And, you know, I just don't really care really who hears what anymore when I say stuff about people that are that actually know me in real life

kind of thing. I stopped going to a church for very, very similar things that we're talking about. Like we had, I was talking to a guy. I was in leadership at the church and I was talking to a guy about the stuff that I do. And he was asking about the Nephilim. And I was telling what I knew. And he's like, maybe I'll sit down with the pastor and talk to him. And I said, that's a great idea. And so they, he planned a time to sit down and talk to him. And it was like two weeks later. And he sits down. And the first thing he hears is, yeah, about the Nephilim, I don't know much about them. You know, and it's, it's not like I, I blame the pastor for maybe not knowing per se, but you had two weeks to look into it at least a little bit, you know. But there's,

there's no desire in the modern American culture in the church to look into these things. It's just, it's become very business oriented, you know, like, let's just make sure we say things to keep people coming back. We don't want to scare them with anything that's, that's on the edgier side. But like, I mean, you want a zombie movie? Go look at Ezekiel, you know, the Valley of the Dry Bones. I mean, that's, that's like, I, I'm trying to do. So Merkel media, is a company that I started. And it started out just so I could produce other people's podcasts underneath an LLC. And now it's kind of expanding into, let's see how far we can take this thing. Let's take back the culture. Let's create culture. And one of the things that I want to do is

comic books, kids cartoons, things like that. And I think a killer comic book series would be focusing on the Valley of the Dry Bones and going into like making a storyline based off of that. I think it would be really cool. So I'm talking. with some artists right now. But I think it's really important for people like us to really kind of see what's making the culture right now, whether that's in the church or outside the church, and kind of combat it equally instead of conforming to it. And I think that we're, I think as Christians, we're supposed to be culture shapers. And we've been for a very long time being molded by the culture. And that's just, I mean, I'm guilty of it too, you know, throughout my life. But as I've gotten

older, I just kind of gotten grumpier and I get fed up with it stuff. I'm just like, no, I'm not having it anymore. I'm not the best person to teach how to win friends and influence people. You're not Carnegie, huh? It's fine. It's fine. I mean, it's, it's difficult. You get to a certain age. And like Dark Waters was saying, he's like, it just requires, there's some people that just will not. They will not look at the evidence. They won't, you know. And it always boggles my mind, how many people have so many open, their mind is completely open to like angels mating with humans. And then you even present them with an idea of like Bigfoot. And they're like, I don't know. You know what I mean? And you're like, where's the disconnect here? Like, think about

how much harder it is to believe that an angel and a human procreated and created these. And that's totally in their realm of possibilities. And maybe because the Bible says it happened, right? The Bible doesn't talk about Bigfoot. But I don't know. It's just, it's always. It's always, It's always fascinating how the selectiveness of people's open, how much they open their mind to things. And obviously you do a show for five years and you hear crazy things and you're friends with, you know, other podcasters who hear crazy things. You share all these stories. It's like more is true than false and in truth is stranger than fiction. So, you know, people always email us like, ah, you guys are so open-minded.

It's like, well, you have to be because it just gets weirder and weirder. and weirder. It gets extremely weird. And at doing this, you have to be willing to venture into thought and outside of your current understanding. And that's not to say that when you're venturing to that thought, you believe it all right away or whatever. But you have to be honest about it. And in order to be honest about it, you got to explore the thought with people. And that's why I approach the show the way I do. Like, I'm a Christian. I don't change that ever. When I have somebody on my show who's clearly a new age person and you don't hear me chastise them that's not what my show's for it's not what my show's about i don't do that and and also like you don't know what happens when

i stop recording you know like i mean you guys probably know this there's times you go to sit down to record somebody had a long conversation before and then after and it's just like there's a lot of conversation going on that doesn't get recorded uh and that's when i feel like i'm supposed to say something to somebody, I do it in private because I know that my message to somebody might lose its teeth if I do it in a way where they feel like they're being embarrassed by thousands of people. And we do that too. When you stop recording, you talk to people and you talk to guests and you said you bring new age people on your show and your whole point is just to... I'll tell you what. That's what it was because I just recently had a member who I think she's an awesome person.

and I had her on the show before. She used to be in the New Age movement. And she had her, what you call them, spirit guides. You know, they didn't turn out to be very nice, you know? And I definitely don't remember what episode it was, but I had somebody on the show where I entertained conversation. I had a great conversation. And I remember her publicly in the comments sections going at me for having this person on,

not challenging their opinions and all that stuff. And I'm just like, we're over 400 episodes into this. Like, you should know that I'm not going to do that publicly ever. I just, that's not how I operate. But you knew? Are you new here? Yeah. And I know you're not, you know? And so, and I said that.

I mean, like, it's just not how I operate. If you want somebody to go at somebody, like, that's just not this podcast. I'm sure there's plenty of them out there that would do that. It's just not, that's not how we do it here. And it's not that I'm accepting everybody and their belief. beliefs as, you know, perfectly fine, but I do accept people where they're at in life, and we build from there. And I think there's a difference there. Yeah, I mean, we brought on a guy that, you know, a seer that sees angels and demons and we got a lot of flack for that, that because he said things

that didn't fit into their, I mean, the Bible isn't very descriptive of what angels are and there's, there's very little, right? We have more than, we have more than we think we have, but we don't have enough to where we can make sense of these things. And it ruffled a lot of feathers. A lot of people called our show New Age. I'm like, what, what episode? And it's a guy that's literally talking about Jesus the entire time. New Age? Okay.

That's a new concept. But it, yeah, podcasting is, it's interesting. And you get that feedback. I think it's the industry that we're in with podcasting. You know, like, like this industry in general is just called paranormal, but we're also Christians. And so once the general audience understands our theological perspectives, I think in general, they expect certain things out of us based off of their preconceived conceptions. And so, and because you have thousands of people with their own individual preconceived

conceptions all angled at you, you as the podcaster is never going to produce something that everybody agrees with and that everybody's okay with. because this like if we were doing like the duck duck dynasty the duck dynasty guys you know Phil and chase they just sit around they talk about Christian living and read scripture and stuff like the audience probably like 95% of the audience really agrees strongly with everything they say but because we're dabbling in the other side of this whole thing where we we typically traditionally at least don't belong in a sense I think that people just get this idea that they run with and it's common with that with any kind of podcaster or anything like that. I mean,

uh, people listen to a podcast. They like the podcast. They like the host and they get familiar. And they start drawing these ideas in their head of what they believe the podcaster is who he is or who she is and how they act when the microphone's off. But the thing is like, you know, you're getting an hour sample of who we are in a professional manner. We're totally different people when the mic, at least I am like when the microphone goes off. You know, it's not, I'm not saying like I'm a heathen, but I mean, you're not going to, catch me. Like, I try to be a very professional manner when I go on my microphone. And, you know, I'm more laid back and stuff, I guess, when I'm not. I don't know. Maybe I just,

yeah, catch me outside, right? Yeah, exactly. How about that? You know, it's, I mean, that's, that's actually a great point is what I'm trying to get to. It's like, that's dog, that's dog, that's saying. Yeah. Catch me outside. So like, I'm from the Philly area. Northeast typically has this sense of, you know, rough around the edges, you know, Philadelphia. People always hammers, hammers us for throwing things at Santa Claus back in the 1960s at an Eagles game. Batteries. Batteries, whatever. Snowballs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so like, you guys are tough up there. There's this idea, right? But so that's who, like, like, I am that a little bit. I'm really looking forward to moving to Tennessee because maybe you guys will rub off from me. I'll be more calm or

relaxed, but I have a very short fuse. Well, you don't hear. Southern hospitality, but. We're both from California, too. So we've adopted. Oh, see, okay. So it's possible. It's possible. So with that said, I mean, you're not going to hear the edgy side of me like that on the show because there's no reason for it. I'm having a conversation with somebody who wants to talk to me.

I want to talk to you. It's an hour long conversation. It's quite pleasant. But in reality, like, I don't, I have a very short fuse and I don't put up with a whole lot of nonsense. And so when people throw nonsense my way, unless my wife deletes the email. before I see it, I tend to respond and not the way that people expect me to respond. I think people tend to think, oh, he's just going to lay over and take it. I'm like, ah, it's not me, man. Like, it's not me. Wrong. You chose. Yeah, yeah. You chose poorly. Yes. No, I mean, I agree with that.

Because, like, when we were interviewing Micah about seeing Angels, we're just talking to, we have a conversation. Like, I'm, and I told people, like, in our members area, I was like, that's the same conversation I'm going to have with or without the mics recorded. Like, if someone can see that stuff, it's just fascinating. I don't know. Does he, you see it? Maybe. It sounds like he does, but, you know, we're not writing theology based on this podcast episode. We're just asking questions. And it's hard. I mean, people, they, I guess Christians are the most sensitive sometimes because they're offended by the things in their very own Bible all the time. This is strange. This is one of the strangest books there is. It's, it's,

it starts strange and strange i don't know it's just good to have you in this space tony to uh to be along the ride you you know right when we had you on our first episode you you know you called us and texted us and just gave us a lot of encouragement to keep going and this year's been crazy for me i had so much stuff come at me it's just been wild i think has some to do with the podcast you know just and i don't say that lightly i don't say that to like oh woe was me it's just it's been it's been tough it's been a really hard year You know, the spiritual warfare in the Bible is real. And if you start speaking the truth, it's going to come at you, whether it's in the shape of a dog man or it's the government.

Who knows? Who knows what's going to come after you? You know, your internet can shut down. Your phone turns off. Like, you know, people leave you. Your friends discard you, you know? People slander you. You never know what's coming at you. But the good news is, I think, if you're speaking the truth, you know, God promises us in the long run. there'll be blessings for, you know, for standing up. I'll tell you, after that first conversation we had, I don't know, it was had to be what, two years ago, three years ago, whatever it was. Like, I felt an immediate connection to you guys.

And I felt like I found two guys in the space that I'm dealing with that come from the same background as me as far as theologically goes. And I just had the sense that I found, not that I didn't have it before with other people, but I found two more brothers that I could depend on. And, you know, it's not like we're besties or anything like that. Maybe we'll become. Not yet. And when did Tennessee?

Look out. Once we go to Tennessee, it's going to be a different story. But I definitely felt like there is a connection. I think there's a spiritual thing there, you know, where like, and I don't know if you guys ever had this. Maybe I'm just a weird hippie Christian or something. I don't know. But like, there's been times in my life where I'll meet somebody and just my interactions

with them. Like, it's like this, my spirit, like, connected with their spirit. I'm like, I know that they're a Christian, you know? And, and like, and it's just, it was like a spiritual connection, you know, and I kind of, not to get too soft, because I'm East Coast Philly, tough guy. Like, like, that's kind of how I felt with you guys. I was just like, I just felt a real connection with you. And, you know, I, I'm glad we, I'm glad we, we met and all that stuff. I'm just, you know, getting emotional over here. So, yeah. I heard the Philly there. You said, said use. It's like I'm watching Rocky. I was seeing a use. I was feeling me. Hey, Andrew, get down here. I was feeling use. I love it, bro. No, that's how this podcast has been.

I mean, gotten so many phone numbers from people who've been on the show and we call and text and we're friends off air. It's not like, and I think Luke and I have been through enough crap in our lives to know that like had enough things rise and fall where blurry creatures feel special. We both had, you know, previous life, you know, I was doing the band thing and that was, I don't know, that kind of humbled me for this project. And it makes me realize like the relationships, the speaking the truth is the most important thing here. And we're all trying to raise awareness of this spiritual war we're in. And if you can find some people that are willing to be friends, I mean, Tony, like, you're, you're building a little homestead, you know, because you know what's coming and we know what's coming. And these relationships are important because when this, when this, when this crap goes down, you know, we're all going to be like, told you, what are we doing? What's the plan? Where are we going? How are we get through this? Luke's got ammo. You know, I got 20 bags of rice. Like, what are we, what are we doing? You know, where are we meeting up? Because I feel like God is putting people together. I really do. I agree with you. I agree with you. I don't know when it's.

coming, but I know it's coming. And I always kind of like tongue and cheek say it. I hope it doesn't happen. But I always tell people since I've been talking about moving to Tennessee that in the next couple of years, it's going to be homeless in Tennessee because like it's all going to just crash down. And I'm fine with it. I'll go I'll go in the smokies. I'll build a little hut with my family and live, you know, Stone Age style. But, you know, I do feel like that. And that's why I'm doing what I do to prepare. And, you know, we're talking about doing. I like, I think so I've been doing a lot of reading, a lot of YouTube video watching on, you know, how to, you know, do chickens, all that stuff. And from what I understand, I'm a family of four. I don't need many more

than five to six, maybe even six is too many, like to feed my family with eggs and stuff, right? But I'm planning on having at least 20 because, like, I want enough, I want to excess so I can give it to other people, one, to help other people and take care of people, right? So that's one. And dog man might come and take a few. So he never know. or their neighbors. So here's the thing. So if you have excess, right, and people know it and they know that you're not giving it away, they're going to take it. But if they know you'll give it to them, there's no need to take it. They just have to ask. And that's what I want to put myself in a position where people can just come to me and say, hey, do you have? Yes, I do. No problem.

Because like where I live around here, I thought about before we decided that we're going to move to Tennessee, I did think about, you know, putting up a greenhouse in my backyard here, getting some chickens and all that stuff, even though I'm in the suburbs. and it doesn't really look right for this area. I was thinking about doing it, but then I started to start thinking, like, if it's going to happen the way I think it's going to happen, all my neighbors,

they're going to be nuts. They're going to be crazy because when you put people in a position where they've never been before and they don't know how they're going to put food on the table for their kids, they're going to do things that they never thought they would be doing. You know, I don't want to be sleeping in my backyard guarding my food, you know? So I was like, I think I need to move somewhere

where people generally are more on the same level as me. Yeah, you know. And so I'm heading down there. Yeah, definitely don't want to be in the city. That's for sure. No. No, or even close to it. Like, I don't want to be in this area. And it's so funny because like heading down there, people have been reaching out to me. Some of the just listeners, I have no idea who they are kind of thing. Just welcome me to the area, you know, you know, the old, you know, if you need anything, just reach out to me. It's like, you know, thank you. Thank you. I want a casserole when I'm soon as we move in. Yeah. I like lasagna. You know, perfect. Yeah. So, but then there's been people that I didn't know we're in the area that tell me, oh, you're moving Tennessee out is where I live. And, you know, this one YouTube channel, they focus on guns. And, uh, they have like 50,000 subscribers. And they had just, uh, last year subscribed to my YouTube channel. And we started talking and turns out where I'm moving, I'm going to live 10 minutes away from the one guy that has that channel. And so like,

I have my little army already. So like we got there. Yeah. We got the. So, so what I'm basically getting the saying is you guys will have my address come out to my place i have the army i have food right bring it all out eggs will be the currency once the uh the system crashes right so you'll be you'll be said it'll be eggs and ammo we're going to be trading just like like it's like it's the old days so i i'm not i'm not trying to turn your show into a prepper show but i'll just say thank you um like people need to start buying two of non-perishables okay uh they're talking about uh two toothpaste being $10 a tube this summer. And yeah, I mean, inflation's a real thing.

So, you know, buy it two. And when you run out of one, go out, get two more. Don't use the one you saved and just start stocking up. And in reality, I mean, like the food, canned goods and stuff, I mean, that could be currency in the future here. I mean, buy it now while it's cheaper. I know it's expensive now, but it's kind of get more expensive. And people are going to want to trade for that over getting a $20 bill.

that's depreciating. Right. Right. Yeah. And I do think that, you know, podcasters have this unique place in this whole time frame. Because the cool thing about your show and our show is that, you know, and even just as big as it gets like Joe Rogan, right? It's almost like people can trust it more because it's just like, okay, I only have to figure out if one person is BSing me, you know, versus an entire. corporation and a system of fake news.

Like, it's just like, do I feel like this person is leading with their heart? And if they are, then I'm really going to have this relationship. And so we can bring on anybody who we want on the show and they could just freely speak. And there's no congregation. There's no corporation. There's nothing yet. They can shut us down. I mean, so they're going to find a way.

But right now, it's just, it can really speak to somebody because it's like, man, did you listen to that podcast? episode. It was two people having a conversation. It's a very powerful thing. And I think God is using it. And it's cool that we connected. It's, we feel the same with you, man. And it just, you encouraged me big time in the beginning. Just like, yeah, man, the blurry creatures has legs. And we just got to keep going. And you said that to me, just keep going. Do not quit. Just don't quit. That's stuck in my head since that conversation we had. Just keep going. Just keep making it. Keep producing. I think there is, I think there is something in there like, don't be a loser, don't quit. Something like that. I forget what it was.

It was like it was tough love, right? Losers quit. Yeah, but I mean, you know, it's easy when you're, you know, you're editing your whatever show and you're like, what am I doing? Yeah. It's those things where, I mean, I literally, when I was in the grind of not knowing if I was ever going to be successful doing podcasting, I would just be looking for that light at the end of the tunnel kind of situation, you know? and I was constantly just telling myself, I saw other people in this world who built, you know,

whether it was a YouTube channel or a podcast and they were able to turn it into something, if they can do it, I can do it. And that was my light at the end of tunnel. And then eventually it got to the point where I literally had a light at the end of tunnel. I was like, oh, I think I can quit my job relatively soon here.

That's my light, you know, and then eventually happened. And it just kind of kept on going that way. So, you know, I just try to encourage people where I can. And sometimes I fail at that too.

too. No, it's timely because, you know, obviously, I mean, I was telling Luke yesterday, like, blurry creatures, it's got to be my hustle now. Like, it has to be. And I'm trusting God it will be because, you know, just the events that happened in my life this year. And I'm, you know, just rolling the dice and hoping it's going to work out. And I trust God that, you know, if we keep pursuing the truth and keep building, it'll get there. And it is. And it's just, it's cool. It's just, uh, it's cool to see you're doing it. And, you, And you encouraged us to think, oh, yeah, we can we can carve out a niche too. Yeah.

We appreciate you, man. We appreciate you, man. I should be in a friend in the space. A couple guys just for trying to figure out what we're doing and plow ahead, you know. It's like, Nate and I had podcasts before this, but this was really like, I don't know, just everything, everything, you know, like you're saying, like your story. It's our story is similar in the sense. It just feels like we're kind of getting directed. Like, even the way the episodes fall together is interesting.

Like, so, man, we appreciate you. We appreciate your encouragement and just being a friend in the space, just being a friend in general outside of, outside of this media platform. Love you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still. We're still got to get, get all the other crap out of our way. Yeah, we've got to see.

We've got a few, a few hurdles to get over. But Tony, like, when let everybody, when you come into the land of the lakes? Yeah, first off that. Yeah. When are you coming over the, over the, over the, over the hill here? Isn't there a lot of dog man activity, a lane between the lakes? Rumored. Yeah.

There's a lot of stories coming out of there. And I definitely, I don't know when, but I'm going to be over there. That's close to us. And when do you need two guys that are pretty decent shape? Well, here's the thing. To come along the documentary and maybe have some firearms, you know, maybe. Well, better be. Okay.

Well, I officially lost them all to a boating accent. So maybe have a few, right? Yes. Yeah. See, I've had bad memory. Me too, apparently. We were fishing together. Remember that you? That was, yeah, that's what we met. Yeah. I got hit on the head. That's my back memory. Nate hit us both. So, I mean, here's the thing. I mean, I'm a content creator and I'm not like, I always wear that hat. So yeah. I mean, if you guys want to come along, it bodes well for everybody if we do something together. And we talked about that when we first started talking about the other guy. we were talking about doing the documentary stuff and I guess that kind of fell through but I was well Roger Roger yeah Roger told me all the activity like died down so dude I was I was ready man I was like let's freaking go but I call him and it was just like you know he was saying that it just kind of all dried up so yeah I figured if we got we go we go all the way up there in

Minnesota and nothing happens be like ah Nate what did you get me mean. So it's all about how you go about it. You don't want to go to a place that, you know, back in 1965, there's a big foot sighting and not much since. Like, that's, yeah, yeah. You know, that's what I thought. But like, if you go to a place that had so much stuff happening, just the storyline itself, it writes itself for you. And that's what I do. Like, so me and my brother are still planning on doing more of like these action vlog type stuff where we put on YouTube and we go out in the woods and whatever, we're filming ourselves kind of thing. And what we do is we try to find places that are interesting with multiple storylines.

So like the last place we went to haunted forest, big foot encounters, dog man encounters. And we went to a World War II prisoner of war camp where they interrogated Nazis. There was our storyline. Plenty of them to pick from. And we just put ourselves in the environment and had some fun. We did have some weird things happen that night. But yeah, I mean, you're not going to with what we do, you're not going to hit a home run on everything, you know? Like, there's some YouTubers that have very similar format YouTube channels

in every video they put out is just a, it would be a home run episode for me, you know? And it's because they're faking, you know, they're putting it on. But, uh, if you want to come, Tony, heck, we have to, we have to go to the mounds at night and film for dog man because there are, there's a mound over here. That we should actually do. This is not just like Joe. We should, I'm serious. Me and Nate went one night and we figured out that we weren't wally unprepared because you had to cross a river or you had to walk through a really sketchy area where I figure in this part of the country you might get shot for walking around someone in someone's property. So we gave it, we gave it our best college try, but it was exactly that. It was a college try.

We weren't we weren't fully. You needed. So the mounds are in the middle of this like kind of this peninsula and you have to get across the river. and it's a good, you know, 40, 50 feet across. So we didn't, we couldn't get across the river that night. But I have a feeling there's cryptic creatures around these mounds and they're all over Tennessee. So yeah, Tony. So if you ever get to Nashville.

If I, I mean, when you do, when you do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, listen, we're going to have so much fun, guys. Like, we're going to have so much fun. It's going to be like, okay, where are we going this weekend, guys? Yeah. In the meantime, though, promo this exhibition dog man.

Tell everybody here where they can watch it, where they can find it, because we got a lot of really good scoop on it. But we want people to go check it out. My kids are here, so I have to go. All right. So, yeah, so the documentary is available now on my website for the VIPs. In order to help fund the next trip, we decided to do VIPs, which for the first two weeks of documentary can only be accessed on Merkle. dot media. A lot of people having an issue with the website because it's not a dot com. They don't realize that, but it's it's just www.merkel.media. There is no dot com. And so, you know, people can,

if they want to see it right now between, I don't know when this is going to air, but if it's before March 25th, 2022, they can watch it there. And if you wait, you can watch it for free on the Confessionals YouTube channel on March 25th at 9.com. PM Eastern Standard Time. We're going to premiere it on the YouTube channel and it will be available there. But yeah, we're going to be dropping it there on the 25th and then we're planning on probably in the next, we were just talking about today in our text thread. I think in the next two to three months we're going to be hitting Skim Walker Ranch and doing another documentary in there. We got access to a property that it butts up against Skimwalker Ranch. The guy owns it

and I'm friends with him and he said, come on out and do whatever you want. And so, like, we're going to have some fun out there. The whole storyline is going to be like, you know, Skinwalker Ranch, but what happens next door? You know? So it's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, what happens when your neighbors are creepy, right? Yeah, exactly, exactly. Like really creepy.

Right, yeah. Well, that's so, that's exciting. Yeah. So everybody, go check out the dock. And Tony, we appreciate you, man. I appreciate being on the show. Appreciate you coming on. I'm excited about the future project.

Excited about you being future Tennessean here very shortly. And, yeah, dude, we need to decide about the future collabs, whether it would be the Wolverines and we've got to take back our country or we're actually doing media projects, dude, one or the other or both. We're here for it. Yeah. So let's go. I like multi-tasking.

Let's do both. Skinwalker Ranch. Nate's going to get out. They like gingers, apparently. So we'll get Nate out there to be your human bait. That and the little people. They just come running.

Had to sneak it in. Little people. Yeah. Well, Tony, thanks, man. Good. Yeah, Tony. Welcome to Tennessee.