Oscars Outsider - Booty-hole Cartography w/ Josh Greenway (RHONY S14E09, RHOC S17E13, RHOSLC S04E01)

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

It's a jam-packed episode as Craig and Dylan are joined by Josh Greenway of Crash Course DM to talk about the latest episodes of Real Housewives of New York, Real Housewives of Orange County and the season premiere of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City We discuss the continuing Real Housewives of New York cast trip, the drama with Jenna Lyons, Erin and Brynns relationship, Ubah's and book choices On our Real Housewives of Orange County recap we live in HD as we discuss Emily's drunken dinner at the Heather Dubrow's Fireside channel launch party In our RHOSLC recap we dive in and discuss the return of Mary Cosby, Sundance queen Lisa Barlow, the new housewives and the epic cold-opening Chapters: 00:00 - Drew's #RHOA Reunion performance 02:40 - Intro 05:20 - Real Housewives of Orange County recap 20:40 - Real Housewives of Salt Lake City recap 38:35 - Real Housewives of New York City recap 1:00:53 - Outro Find Josh on instagram https://instagram.com/ajoshofalltrades Find Crash Course DM online https://anythingyoucando.co/crash-course-dm Find Dylan on substack at ⁠⁠⁠https://dylanferguson.substack.com/⁠⁠ Find "The Devil You Don't" on Youtube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tBassBNwKc&list=PLCGSy4_xHhBsbX0VlG3JDJwaiqsBkiGDj⁠ https://www.bravooutsider.com Music by FASSounds from Pixabay #rhoslc #rhony #rhoc #realitytv

Ladies and gentlemen, Drew Sedora. Oh, so she's going to sing it. Why is the reunion stage like a seance and a wine-ant-house? What is going on with that set up? No, I love the clip. It was awesome. I just, you know, I love the messy blending of performance and genuine, untamed, emotions and like and especially when you can't figure out where one starts and one ends like that's one of the chief qualities of reality TV to me is just showing how much the idea that there is a clear distinction between

what's performance and what's real emotion is kind of just a fake dichotomy and so I I love the kind of weird awkwardness of that um nod down with Andy like mugging for the camera and then being like she's singing to him I don't know I kind of appreciated like what Andy was doing there. You know, he needed to give people permission to laugh. Like us as viewers at home needed like permission to awkwardly relieve the tension. I get it. That's what that's his job.

But I rather just stay awkward. I prefer to bathe in the awkwardness. I mean, six out of six peaches for sure, man. Just. Holy cow. Like amazingly. like the most inappropriate in every way. It wasn't a bad song, but it was maybe not the place, right?

Maybe not the place. Wow. Like the bravery, so brave. This is the first time we've had this like breakup ballad that I can remember. And to get it like directed, like sung to the subject of it is just such an amazing moment. Yeah. To see his face like hearing it for the first. Oh.

just watching him like boy. On that stage. Yeah. Which, you know, is is certainly what Drew wanted, right? You know, she gets to have like a real life, sort of real life between quotation marks, like musical number moment, you know? She's a, she's a seasoned musical veteran and saw her moment to like to do like a real life musical bit and like, yeah. And kind of humiliate Ralph in the process. This is step up too.

Yeah. Hello and welcome to Bravo Outsider Podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter, joined as usual by Dylan Ferguson. Dylan, how's it going? Going great. Happy to be here with the Buzz and Cousins. Yeah, hell yeah.

Each week we bring on someone who doesn't follow Bravo to get their takes on the episodes joining us this week from Crash Course DM. It's Josh Greenway. Hey, everybody. I'm Josh. allergic to stupidity and absolutely covered in hives. Wow, that is excellent. I'm going to say that that is a Lisa Vanderpump tagline.

Oh, that is exactly who, yeah. Awesome. We're stoked to have you here. Tell us a little bit about yourself and the podcast that you host. Absolutely. So I'm Josh, obviously. I have no idea what I'm doing at any point. in time, especially with my podcast. The whole bent there is a, it's a Dungeons and Dragons

Live Play slash documentary where me, the dungeon master, I don't really know how to play or be a DM. I just kind of had that arrogant thought of, I bet I could do that. And I thought it would be funny to document the process in a very public way and give people an opportunity to give me their feedback and kind of incorporate that as I go. And then just me as a person, I'm very like goals oriented. I actually do want to get better as a DM in this. And so it'll be a fun journey to see how things progress and maybe I'll get out of my own way and get good at it sort of a deal. Awesome. So do you have much of a background when it comes to reality TV? Are there any specific reality shows that you watch? So I don't make it a habit of like I'm not a regular consumer.

There are shows I've seen in the past. Like if I am not watching the TV, I'll put on a reality cooking show because I can just go look and be like that looks like a dope meal cool and go back to what I'm doing and then I've seen episodes of inked and that is real spicy but yeah that's about as far as I've I've got into the reality reality TV world awesome let's let's talk about the episodes of real housewise we got a lot to cover so we're going to talk about real hostways of Salt Lake City real hostages of Orange County and real hostages of New York today what was the yeah what was the first of these episodes that you watched josh uh the first one that i made a mistake and i watched the orange county one first and and and and and not s l not s lc which would have been easier to step into

but orange county okay first one on the docket yeah yeah let's let's start with orange county um what were your highlights from this so uh i'm i'm gonna pick two moments that really kind of stuck out to me uh the very first one was like cold open on chanin trying to improve her her citanic device with the doctor who is clearly not that, if you're like worried about like the quality of product he's putting out. I mean, she's a low-key genius. She's like, I'm a consumer, listen to the user of the product. I have some really good ideas for how you could improve.

She needs to get away from that dude and break out on her own. She has the right mindset. Yeah. If only she was a doctor, I feel like. Yeah. Like if only he was a doctor, come on. Yeah. be real. Like, he's more predator than doctor.

I love these bullshit doctors that they have on these shows. Like, I want that job. I want to be Dr. Moon. I want to be like an intuitive healer guy who you just show up, pay me money. And I say things like, the biggest stress is gravity. Sure. Sounds great. That sounds like a real thing. I'll take it. Yeah. And then he just like fixes their body with like some booty hole cartography and light negging. Like what? Yeah. I have to say this is probably the most, like, unique product that housewife has put out. Like, we've seen lots of wines and home goods, but never an at-home colonic.

This is a, this is a new one. So I'm really hoping she gets this. I love how she shows up at his office and says first thing, Dr. Mood, you look good. And he who does not responds with, oh, okay. Yeah, he's used to. the cheap sell. He doesn't cut any corners, though. He's like, well, you do not. But no, yeah, that one really, like, just way, way to start the series for Greenway. Holy cow. And then another thing that stuck out was when later in the episode, Ryan met Jennifer's

mom for the first time somehow, which doesn't feel like that should have been possible. And I've never seen somebody try so hard to throw themselves under a bus, or at least that's how it was edited. Like, are you super uncomfortable right now? Let me just talk to you about how unfaithful I was. And we'll just get all this out of the way. Like, whoa. Yeah, this was a standout scene for me too, especially how often Jennifer's mom had to, like, bring up how great of a husband her ex will is. Like, multiple times just mentioning, like, he was, he was a good husband. And Jen's like, yeah, he's, he's a good man. Her mom's like, he was a good father.

He was a good husband. Yeah, specifically husband. I also love how like, you know, Jen teases the idea that Ryan's not great with fashion. And then Ryan shows up looking like he bought the six ugliest jackets he could buy, cut them apart and stitch them together into an even uglier jacket. Like he's in the fake it until you make the fake it part of fake it until you make it to being the guy who can dress so fashion forward with ugly clothes,

it looks good. Yeah. I don't think he's going to get there. There was a few, like, strange fashion moments here. Terry Debrough, Heather's husband, got called out for wanting to pair a, like, red tie with a pink pocket square. Polka dot pocket square, yeah. Yeah. But nowhere near as egregious as Ryan's moment.

At least Ryan's, like, leading into it, you know, that's like his personal style brand is hideous. you know, it's somehow more offensive to just have like a pink note and a red note. It'd just be slightly off. That's true. Like, at least be aware of it. To just lead into it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

There's a little bit of intent behind Ryan's. Like, he's not intentionally trying to be bad, but he's intentionally trying to be something. So I, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, at least he's not like pulling stuff off the rack and just kind of like. Which is what most of the guys do at the show, to be honest. Yeah. Just like the.

most bland outfits. Like, I guess on some level, absolutely horrible, disgusting bullshit on your body is better than being bland. But when I say it out loud, I don't believe it. On paper, it doesn't work. But when you say it out loud, it also doesn't work. Did you have any other highlights from Orange County? Let me, let me see here. Oh, man. So I like, my first exposure to Jennifer was, like her and her talking to her mom about the kids kind of coming home soon and trying to be like more momly in between things and then they're going to like they've randomly decided to make cookies but she's never made cookies before and she's going to do that from scratch real quick

before the kids get home in 10 minutes or whatever the time frame was that just felt unnecessarily insane that's a clear cookie rookie right there we do have the same measuring cup so that's cool Twinsies. Dylan, how about you? What were your highlights from Orange County? On the subject of Jen's mom, I just really like her, her oaky accent. So I'll just shout out to that. I do think Heather, you know, good on Heather for getting her own channel on Fireside.

That's, you know, it's a big step up for her. You know, of course everybody's. Yeah, she can Instagram live now. Everybody knows by now. Yeah. the, you know, everything that the famous fireside app is capable of. So it's really cool for for Jen or for Heather to take part in this and this platform that's, that's content that's not just shaping culture, but it's driving commerce. You know, it allows for interactivity in a way

we really haven't seen it from other platforms. And have you ever heard of anything so SEO friendly is HD Network? I mean, come on. So, you know, it's great for her to have an opportunity for her brand and IP to really go direct with fans and create a unique fan experience that she can monetize from day one because it really is the world's first interactive community. Are you reading off the web page right now? Yes. Well, actually, not quite. I'm reading off some texts that I copied from a promotional video on their website. That was my introduction to when I Googled because, of course, I wanted to figure out what the fuck the fireside app is.

and they have this great promotional video featuring like six like niche nano celebrities, one of whom is Heather Debrough. But the main like celebrity who is like their main spokesperson, like giving this like really like bland, vague explanation of what this exciting new app is is like a psychic. So I just think when you're trying to like, yeah, you try to push this on people and your public face is a professional con. man. It's not, you know, nothing against psychics. Actually, scratch that. Everything against sex. But they are professional con men or cotton women. You know, I see you ladies. But it's not

a great luck for your brand. And what's also really funny about the video is like when, you know, when Tamara is like the one person being in there being like like, okay, what's different about it? Yeah. How? What does that mean? And like the one thing Heather could come up with is like, your fans can like applaud you or cheer you. You can hear their laughter. Holy cow. That is like the worst feature for live TV of all time. Like when your terrible TV show comes out and all you hear is boo or the one guy who figures

out how to troll it and he's got like 19 televisions in his room. Like people are going to spam the living daylights out of that. Yeah. But in that promotional video, that's also literally the only thing they ever mentioned to like show something that's different from any other streaming platform is like they've got like they're like, I don't know, like VP of marketing or something interviewing Howie Mandel in a little clip and saying, and you can put up in a applause button. It's just like, what does that even?

Why would you want that? What does that mean? And why is that the only feature you're mentioning at this whole, in this whole video? So yeah, great that she's part of the fireside app that's going to change the world. It's going to revolutionize everything. Very excited for her. It's a white-labeled TikTok. Yeah.

Yeah, this like launch party was an amazing moment for me. This was probably my highlight of this episode. I love how drunk Emily got like right off the bad. Yeah. Because otherwise the scene would have just sucked. And then it said Emily, for some reason, just shows up having apparently chugged a bottle of champagne for breakfast. It starts eating the same way a guinea pig does at the table.

God bless her. I like that she ended up having like four drinks on the go before they got seated that were like half finished on that little cocktail table. And I think between everyone, they got an audio clip of her being like, oh, I've already had too much to drink. Yeah. Also, shout out to Jita being a very good sober friend to a drunk friend. She was doing a really good job being like, no, swallow it. Also, what a brilliant walking facial expression. for that entire scene, like when they're sitting around the table and she's just the eyebrows the entire time.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought this was like the perfect moment for like self insertion. Like I feel like I have had, I have made Dylan a Gina to my Emily situation at some point being like to. Yeah. Yeah. But like just being in that situation where, you know, you've got a friend.

that is like too drunk and it's like I know that I'm not going to be able to like redirect this. I've just got to you know kind of try to manage the situation is so funny and so relatable. I've definitely had my moments of being like please check emily simpson.com. You can hire me. What other highlights did you have here, Dylan? Just a quick note that while I'm kicking Heather while she's down, it is like it is such an annoying, aggressive thing to ask if somebody's coming to your event, specifically the way Heather

does when she texts Shannon, like, are you going to Texas or are you coming to my thing? Like providing like A or B options without like an option for like just saying, no, I can't make it. It's like just an unnecessarily aggressive overbearing way to talk to your friends. It's like getting instructions from a boss at a corporation, you know? Like you don't have any outs. here's your decisions employee. Yeah, it's like saying, are you coming in to work or do you have a doctor's note? You know, it's being too aggressive.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of too aggressive, like, everybody got very up in arms about the house sale, which I was very surprised about. I don't think I've ever had a friend run their house sale by me to be like, just so you know this is going to happen. Yeah. Is that like comment on the show? Do the housewives all run the house sales by each other?

I'm an apartment life now. Yeah, I, like, it's not particularly common. It is common for them to just, like, use whatever to, you know, leverage that as an opportunity to maybe have a pile on from the rest of the wives. We saw that happen, like a similar situation happened in New York where they're just trying to, like, stir something up. This was easy. I feel like Heather's just getting owned strategically this season. This has not been. very good for her. Also, I feel like the way that like we've been getting the exposition around this sale from her and Terry has been so stiff. And it's so funny that her like main goal that she's articulated this season is that she wants more acting jobs. Because every time that she's on, on screen to try to like drive the plot of this house sale forward, it is so stiff where she's like, oh, by the way, we close tomorrow, Terry. Like I'm telling you this right now. as if we don't already know.

You didn't believe their super cool dance party about the house sale overlaid with all the drama? Yeah. It's so stiff. And yeah, I don't think that anyone's going to be knocking on her door for more acting roles like she's expecting from this. Yeah, just wait until they see her on cameo.

I mean, fireside or that'll do it. Quibi, what are we doing? Yeah. Speaking of like sort of like trying to draw up turmoil, something I wanted to ask you, guys, if this is accurate. I get the impression that like, especially from them sitting at dinner in Mexico and the ladies kind of trying to air their dirty laundry, uh, it, it seemed like Tamra was

specifically brought around to be the person who is like just stirring up this shit to make everybody else like start catfite. Like, that's the only thing I saw her do the entire dinner. Or she was laughing behind her napkin at the reactions. Yeah. That's why she has a spoon in every pocket. That's, Yeah, she's got a spoon in every pocket. That's right. She's, like, particularly good at that. So she has been on, like, she joined Real Hostel's Orange County season three or something like that. And she is really kind of a genre-defining host-wise.

She made modern host-wise what it is. So she's, like, particularly good at that. And this is her first season back after being on break for a couple seasons. Put on pause, as she says in her tagline. Now she's ready to play. And we're seeing it and we're reaping the benefits because she is so good at stirring that up. One of the things that was really interesting about that scene that you brought up is the fact that everyone was kind of reluctant to bring it up. So Tamara just brought it up because I think that, you know, people that have a bit more sort of skin in the game,

They need to be thinking more strategically about their social position within the show and the friend group. They aren't necessarily going to want to be the person that brings this up and being seen as just like stirring up drama because, you know, that's something that someone can turn around just like toss a label on you and kind of use it to downplay any future issues that you might have. that are a bit more legitimate. But Tamara doesn't care. She's going to bring it up and stir it up. She makes a decision quickly and, you know, learns to adapt with the consequences very quickly. And that's one of the things I think that makes her just such an amazing housewife.

I think we covered Real Housewives of Orange County for me. Let's get into the premiere of Salt Lake City. Usually we, when a new season starts, we review taglines. But we didn't get taglines this week. We instead got Bible verses. We got Bible verses. Are those going to be their taglines? Are the taglines going to be the Bible verses?

It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize that they were Bible quotes. I was like, Psalm is not 55. She looks like she's in her 30s. Easy. What sort of tagline is this? Anyway. What were your initial thoughts on this episode? I feel like getting this introduction would be a real...

You'd get whiplash coming out of... And what an introduction. What an introduction. Can we just talk about how fucking hard they went in the first like two minutes before they put the title card up? That was insane. Totally. It starts off as like a found footage horror movie. A very good found footage.

footage for our movie and then immediately goes into like epic footage of this like snow drifted streets and people and the women in slow motion gazing at each other over their shoulders with like really heavy Bible quotes it was they I don't know why the editors thought they had to cook like that for the intro to season four of the real housewives of Salt Lake City on Bravo but bless them for doing that it uh it felt like it was ramping so much that I thought that cameraman who was like bored at the beginning and went to grab the camera. I expected him to like go over the edge of the balcony where somebody had fallen or something. I was like, she's freaking out right now.

Yeah. I was, I was picturing the editors like, if you ever see like, you know, like a promotional clip for like a hip-hop album where they've got like all the producers in a studio and they're like passing around to spliff and just like really feeling it and just look, making eye contact and nodding their heads at each other and vibing. That's how I pictured the editors when they're cooking up that intro in the, in their suite because they were, they were feeling it so hard. I thought it was perfect the way that it was executed because we got this like this camera that was sitting on the ground just idle and watching things kind of move around it.

It was this like this chaotic scene that was emerging and someone picks up the camera and we start in a state where the fourth wall is like broken and we watch it like slowly be constructed until we enter into this like. constructed introduction over sepia tones where people are reading like bible verses and we get this really interesting completely constructed uh introduction scene i i thought it was beautiful to be able to watch this fourth wall be constructed before our eyes they could they could have ended the episode after the title card that i would have been like bravo five stars you know what it makes me think of especially as like playing it back in my head as you describe it is you know in like every good heist movie or superhero movie when they're suiting up or they're getting back

into shit. It was like that production team was going through that. They were like flipping their Superman tape on and getting out the window or something. Yeah. And then the first scene that we get right after is like Lisa Barlow setting up for a Sundance party. I'm like, oh, is this for the intro? Did the intro

get into Sundance? Did it win it's Sundance? Because if you fucking should have. Yeah, no, it said it was just John being really bored. So that's cool. And then like Lisa being like, I think it's really important. We're all together, except if I'm getting a text message. Yeah.

Yeah. What I love about John's reaction there is you can tell that he knows that Lisa is going to like change the topic at any second. So it's like not worthwhile investing too much emotion into what she's saying because she's just about the shift gears at any minute. Yeah. Yeah. I loved how she was like empath. the importance of family while constantly like getting distracted and reading off like tax messages. I I thought like it was kind of supportive the way that he was handling it though.

Like like he knew that he shouldn't like get too into it and just let her do her thing because obviously this is like a historically very busy time for her. Like she's the Sundance queen. Yeah. So when we get to see her in. in the role of, you know, doing her boss stuff. And I think Lisa Barlow is just such a fantastic housewife. So I love seeing her in like boss mode. Super visceral.

Like it's so real too. Like you, we all kind of have to balance that. But it's that magnified times 10 kind of with all that stuff. And then she's like, I don't know why. My kid feels like he's different than me and his dad, which is heartbreaking. Yeah. It's like it's interesting to see. And then also like, why don't you see it?

it. Yeah. Yeah. But I also thought it was interesting that like seeing this like push pull between your parents, like parent and child and someone like trying to branch out how that is that is the same everywhere, whether you're like deeply religious or not. Like we've seen like seeing like Lisa Barlow specifically who is the like the Mormon on the cast and how. How. How. that push and pull where like she has like less conservative ideas for what she wants her son to do and he's like no I'm going to go on a mission is like really interesting to see that that dynamic because it's a lot more complex and um you know it's not what I would expect I would expect an older generation to be like oh you should go on your your mission and then go to school but it was the opposite in this case. Yeah. Yeah. And like, respect if that's what you're doing, but also like if that's just like a really sick cop out, like mom can't argue with that either. Like if he's like, I'm not going to go to school.

Like this is like a handy card he has in his pocket to play. Yeah. I just want to like kind of drop out for a while. Jesus said, mom. You know. You know. Yeah. It's a mission mom. You know what that is. One thing that stuck out to me was actually the next person. Heather, Bad Mormon. What an amazing book title, even better band name,

and I think she should consider that, but loved her intro to everything. Like, she was like one of my favorite people immediately. But I did not for a second believe she was actually shoveling that driveway. Yeah, she, like, we see her at first, I don't know, she's shoveling snow in like a fur puffer jacket and heels. Yeah.

very, as one does, just the idea of shoveling snow and heels just like it makes me just wind set the possibilities of, you know, breaking your coxas or something. That sounds very dangerous. Josh,

what other highlights did you have from Salt Lake City? Let's see here. So, I mean, the entire fresh start party was just, what a fresh start on drama. Great job. You nailed it, ladies.

I mean, just six out of six, flakes for sure. That's my thing now, I guess. I mean, it was like, just what a fun, like, churn and burn on like, let's wrap up some old drama, but there was a lot of setup on, on things. Like, Lisa and Mary's kind of unresolved nonsense, it was kind of odd seeing her so chill at the party after hearing the text messages read from Lisa that she had sent her. I was like, oh, wow, you're just hanging out. Okay, cool.

I wish I had that kind of chill. I love what she just reads out the text messages and they get more and more unhinged. It's a really a funny moment to me. You're going to kill someone with your tequila or something. Yeah. Really glad to have Mary back on our screens. She was missed last season for sure. I love that the intro that we got for Mary was like a montage that includes some like memorable quotes.

like Jen smells like a hospital and you can go little girl. Also, I like how her first scene, she's immediately litigious. You need to fix this door. Like the implication is like, I might sue you if you don't. And she said that she's in dinosaur mode, which I have no idea what she meant at first. I think it's what you forget how to use a cell phone, right? Okay. Well, then she ordered a salad and the way she was shoveling it into her mouth,

like just huge bites. Oh, yeah. Mega herbivore. I get it. Just pushing six leaves of lettuce interweilts. Just forcing it down the shoes. Amazing. Joshua, you have any other highlights from Salt Lake City?

Let's see here. So I, this moment stood out because I have this friend too. But Angie's kind of reaction to Lisa, always talking about how when she used to live in New York and like back in New York. But when we were in New York and like back in New York, when we look into my C, the 212, shut up. Oh my God. You're not married. Go back if you like it so much.

So I felt that in a big way. Dylan, what about you? I don't know why it's a big deal to have like how much DNA there is in like a bathtub. Like it's a lot of DNA in a bathtub. That doesn't mean it's like going to make you sick. Like is this fucking Gattaca? Who cares if there's DNA in a bath? I don't understand what the issue is there.

I don't know. Yeah, I feel like we need to address the rumors that the brabros podcast has said about us taking baths together. It's fine. Yeah, it's normal. And if you want to see us do it, you can see it on fireside. We've got a new channel. There's a lot of soap involved. I can vouch.

We tell you what you need to applause. Don't worry. You don't have to guess. And it does help a lot. The applause meter is crucial. Yeah. That's how we monetize the channel. Mark Cuban's going to shut us down if we don't get enough applause.

Lisa's jacket at the party was a highlight. She just looks like somebody who's like selling the worst drugs at a music festival. Oh, and that was like one of Mary's old jackets, I think, is what they were saying. I think I missed that part, but that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, actually. Yeah. It was basically the only thing Mary liked about her being there. Yeah.

I don't know if sushi nachos is a thing that, like, at other restaurants, I've never heard the term sushi nachos before, but it sounds far as it to be. That just sounds like a really bad idea. Like, that's the widest thing of all time, right? Like, there's no way that. Yeah. Yeah. Did it really show like a close-up out of it?

Probably to like spare our eyes. I don't think they could get a good shot. I was really curious about what that would even fucking look like. It sounds very weird. It's just like tortilla chips with like cooked fish on top. Yeah. Just slivers of salmon, yeah. Yeah, I like that this restaurant, I think it was called Bahama Bucks,

which is like another very white-sounding restaurant. What's really funny is that is a, in Phoenix, where I live, that is a like a shaved ice chain for desserts. Maybe they cater too. You never know. Yeah. Yeah, some franchises have different ingredients, you know. And they got the waiter from Bahama Bucks to, like, referee the snowball fight at the end, which was amazing.

I will say that snowball fight was just the best way to end. Like an episode and probably a day in general, I'm sure that was so cathartic. And I love that we got the like, uh, for the new housewife, Monica, we got like an elf edit where she's like hucking the snowwall so fast. And then the cutaway to Mary sitting inside like, wait, are they really having fun out there? Yeah. Like she made the wrong call, but it was too late. You know, I don't really actually know Salt Lake City.

This is I'm a newcomer to the show. So one of the things that struck me right off the bat was that they all have like a really unique cadence. I think the way they speak. They all speak in a really interesting way to me. So that was just kind of a general note to be. they'll speak in an odd way, I find that I, that it's not really entertaining. Can you impersonate it? Like, if you had to do your best SLC wife accent right now, like, how would it sound?

Oh, I couldn't, honestly. Just going to say no. Oh, man. I couldn't do one either if I'm being honest. It would just be offensive Valley Girl, so. Yeah. Yeah, but there's a very, like, like, halting wage to the way they formed their sentences that I was just like, this is, I've never, I feel like I've never quite heard, like,

everybody's speaking with this sort of cater to the same room before. This is very, very interesting to me. But it's also distinct, like, the way that Lisa Barlow talks and the way that Whitney talk are so different from each other. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I don't know, like, I'm, I assume a lot of them come from other places. I don't know where Lisa comes from original.

No, I do know. She comes from New York, right? Yeah. I thought it was very, New York. Yeah. It was very Midwest coded of her to order a, uh, diet Pepsi and a cocktail at the same time, right? That's something I've learned recently. I thought Whitney had a good, like, episode of, like, standing her ground and, like,

being very confident and had a good line about, like, I don't know what vacation rental you're currently staying at, that, but I assume that you are just, like, plastic wrapping the furniture to get your deposit back. I thought she delivered that pretty well. And she has a confessional look where she looks like a mummy in like a Christopher Lee movie. So that's cool, too. There was some really good confessional looks. I think it was, was it Angie who had the Britney Spears? Oops, I did it again. Like, basically the exact same, like, the high pony and the like tight fitting red, shiny thing. Oh, yeah. I hope she brings out like a python and albino python for like one of the moments. That would be cool.

Have these folks never opened a bottle of champagne before to try to get it to spray everywhere or something? That was one thing I noticed in the episode was like they expected. It seemed like they were expecting when they opened the champagne bottle some kind of bigger reaction because one of them was standing in front of everybody else with it. She didn't shake it up. So it was just like, you got the cork off. Good job. Also, nobody read Heather's book. that was

to be connected. What do you expect? Yeah. How much do you think even Heather read when she got like the proofs from her ghost writer? Yeah. I'm sure even she just skimmed it. Come on.

Be real. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. She's read just as much as they have. She set herself out for asking that though. Like, of course. You know,

of course everybody read. I'll buy a copy, Heather. I'm sorry. Just got the audio book. Yeah. split the difference. Yeah, no,

I was going to ask, Dylan, what, what your thoughts were on the new housewives? But I guess, since you, this is your first season

watching, they're all a little... Yeah, they're all new to me. Like, I know Lisa a little bit just from, I don't know,

things I've seen online or whatever. And I've got to know Heather and Whitney a little bit from the recent girls trip. Oh, right. That was covered a bit.

So I've got to meet them. But otherwise, yeah, they're basically, they're basically all, all new to me. Monica's new. right that's a new one monica's new and angie's new right um a lot of problems there monica especially

is like just like seems like a very like loud blabberbell so that's very promising i really like her energy yeah the fan base has already like started to dislike her which is a very promising sign to me yeah much more team monica i think it's very like fantastic casting on bravo's part to uh cast someone who was like a federal witness and the case against a former host wife who is now behind bars. Great move. It's a pro move. Like, especially somebody coming in cold on all of that, like getting the sort of spicy reactions to all of that, while they also eventually explained what the hell happened

that they're all talking about. It was some, some premium drama to sit in. Yeah, and it was such a complex relationship that is hinted at between her and Jen Shaw. like she obviously had like an adversarial relationship at the end when she's testifying against her in court but also all her information comes from Jen and she's like oh well you know Jen never said anything nice about anyone so I'm just going to try to go in fresh but all their dark secrets are heavily weighing upon my mind is just such a ominous thing to say in a confessional I love that yeah yeah great great phrase like she's in like an Edgar Allen post story really good stuff there.

Any other highlights from Salt Lake City, Donne? No, that about covers it for me. All right, yeah, I think that about does it for Salt Lake City for me. Let's finally get into Real Housewives of New York. Josh, what were your thoughts on these Housewives? So this was the season that I thought was the most like what I expected from like Real Housewives, like I got the tag lines and more of the

title card stuff and the pacing from a production standpoint was not as hectic as I felt like some of the other ones were. So it was an interesting like different show to watch. It almost feels like if there's a different like team maybe working on it or something.

So it was a lot easier to follow than the other ones for me for for sure. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I mean, this is a, like a trip. They're on their first cast trip of the season. So they're all kind of locked up and can't really do anything.

We get to see them in close quarters over an extended period of time, which is always interesting because it's a contrast, like you say, a standard episode, like we got of Orange County and of Salt Lake City, where we see them a bit more in isolation or grouped off or whatever. there's no way to escape conflict for the most part. Yeah, and you could definitely see that bubbling up a couple of times through the episode. I can't remember which ones off the top of my head, but it was like Giselle and Saya in particular, there were a few times during it that I could tell they were like,

why are we doing this right now? Just stop! And it just was not going to stop. Yeah, totally. What highlights did you have from this episode? This was definitely the episode that I took the most notes on. And I was like, why, why is this happening? Why is this happening right now?

It seemed like they're, so it kind of opened on, I mean, one of my highlights was definitely Yuba's tagline, my secret ingredient, darling, it's me. I don't know what to do with that. That's like KFC telling you that the 11 herbs and spices were all just like flour. Like, I don't think it helps the brand. So it's just like, of all. all the tag lines. I was like,

you, that one's not, that's not a good one. It's not helping you. Where at least like, Brin was like an awesome casual monster. Like, I love to laugh,

but make me mad and I'll date your dad. Like, that was cool, you know, she took a positive stance. I, a highlight was definitely getting the taglines. I was ready for those.

What a weird, weird jump from Jenna, your trash for not sharing your real name with us to be careful. Careful, Jenna. There's a lot of bones in that fish. And just the whole conversation about where Jenna was at emotionally and how she needed to check him with the other housewives is wild to me. Yeah. Really fascinating moment there, the way that everybody's kind of circling around Jenna, like, ready to criticize her, but also being like, but we we want to love you more. Like, we want

like more of your side of the story because we just love you so much. And also we're so angry at you for not sharing enough with us. Like, it's just like that blend of like, of like caring and hostility of everybody just kind of swarming her like sharks was like really fascinating. And then like Jessel right before that, they like asked her to tell more about herself and they all tuned out immediately. And all of their talking heads were like, what a fucking like all about herself. That was a really like bitchy edit they gave her though. Because yeah, like you said, they're literally like, tell us something about you, Jessel. You have to share more.

And then immediately transition into the look at her blabbering on and edit with a cross face. and like check this bitch out music's playing and just all the reaction shots of them. They're like, oh my God, is she actually telling us about ourselves? We just said that as a joke. Yeah. That overshare at it is like the equivalent

of a host wife dad joke that gets me every time. Like every time they do it, I always end up like laughing at it. I just love to see it. So no complaints on that for me. Yeah. To be fair, like it's not that don't understand the reaction like when they do have a clip of her being like and then my uncle was

discovered by like why are you talking about your uncle who fucking cares about your uncle and i do kind of get where they're coming from even though i thought they kind of did her dirty both the the editors and everybody around here but i do kind of get where they're coming from when she like kind of wants to join in the whole like you know i had a rough upbringing too something and then nobody quite believes her and i don't know what her upbringing actually was so i don't know the facts but i i do I do get why they're suspicious, because I am too, because it's like, Jenna says, like, well, it's the English accent. It's not just the English accent.

It's the type of English accent she has, right? She's not talking like, fucking Eliza Doolittle there. She's talking like, you know, I hope your mom's ashes are at least the Chanel bag or a her mez bag. Yeah. She has a very entitled sort of English accent, which, not fair to judge her slowly on that. But, you know, it definitely does a, see. seemed to tell you something's about her.

Also, compared to the SLC episode, which also only had one brand name drop, way to use it. I love it that it was in the context of mom's ashes and not random purse by the table. Yeah. I did think,

like, Cy's story actually really got to me. Like, I was a little misty eye. Like, it was a very good, yeah, totally.

Emotional a moment, like the specific details, you know, drawing the eyebrows on the park bench. You know, those details were really like, like, really,

um, was like, very, very emotional to me. So to have a story well told. Good story well told. I mean, bad story, but like, I know, we know what we mean. Effective story. Yeah, we know what to mean.

But it was like a funny, like, hard cut to switch to Jessel making that comment about like a Chanel fake after. Also, the car ride after dinner. Do any of us believe that Aaron really didn't know what WAP was? Yeah, no way. I believe that. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Yeah, yeah.

I think. But like, if you were like walking anywhere with a radio in it or or playing like on speakers in 2022. I mean, yeah. It was a cultural moment. It was. Yeah. Like we all had a lot for a minute. It was also like during the pandemic, I think.

So I wouldn't like blame somebody for like just not paying attention. Actually, no, wait. All you could do is pay attention. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all you had to do. I don't.

Yeah. She had one job. Okay, you're convincing me. Yeah, she's faking. But also, like, who is it? Was it sigh that said, like, she doesn't know what Wap is. She listens to Abba. Like, she's not mutually exclusive.

Come on. Us people who listen to both Megan the Stallion and Abba need to have some respect. If you wanted to make that comment, you should have busted out the Grateful Dead, which we know what that at least Abe listens to. That would have worked better. And if anybody thinks that Megan the Stalian doesn't listen to Abba, come at me in the comments. Let me know because I'm pretty sure she does too. I'm absolutely sure she does.

Yeah. Convinced. For sure. Prove me wrong, Megan. This dinner scene, I thought we got like a lot of Housewives starting to show their maturity within the show. So for some context, Josh, this is like a reboot of Real Housewives of New York. all of these housewives are first year housewives. So they don't have the like the deep background in the game that you typically get from other shows.

And I thought that we saw like really good moments like with Jessel finding a way to not so subtly bring up the like the issue that Aaron had would bring in by making the oh, we'll do a dress swap, not a white swap. I thought that was like a really good way to like stir things up without getting her hands all that dirty. I really liked how, you know, Cy, who is pretty clearly on Bryn's side and aligning herself there was trying to sort of play referee and, you know, Bryn basically called her off and was like, I want to handle this myself. and sort of dealt with the situation in a way that was, you know, she could find some resolution that made it so that Aaron can't really keep banging this drum anymore. I really appreciated that. And I also really love to see Aaron just stewing and getting so pissed while people are ordering food while she's like clearly just wanting to get into it. and everyone is just like putting their order in.

Yeah, that was, I love, I would have killed to have been that waiter getting to just go around the table and get the orders while this woman's staring daggers at you. And of course, it was Sai who orders the food, too. You know, Sai who I'm increasingly convinced is just like a quality of tapeworms inside a human coach. Just asking for food every five seconds. Josh, do you have any other highlights from New York? I mean, this episode definitely had like the most stuff going on into it. I feel like the dinner had a lot of stuff. And then like their next day kind of going into their their afternoon on the beach was sort of odd.

Like I feel like a lot of the like morning breakfast stuff was a little. It was interesting from the perspective of they tried to use it as an opportunity to like, I guess jumpstart the drama again. like Aaron Sia and Brin, like they're literally talking about like, oh, we're all on the same page again from last night. And then the breakfast ends in another fucking argument, like right away. Like they're not talking again right away. Yeah, I do enjoy Aaron and Brin's developing, as Uba calls it, toxic relationship where they're just like with faster and faster flipping the switch between like taking any opportunity to get at each other's throats and then immediately being like, but I love you. and then like going at each other with knives again the next the next moment they see each other. But like then I felt like it was like an awkward pivot into the like random beach photo shoot.

And I couldn't help but think the entire time that like what it must have been like to be on set with the cameras and having a producer be like, okay, say some photography type stuff over here. So I'm like, okay, yeah, you got it. Ladies pay the choreographer is going to be here in 10 minutes, you know. And it felt like very disc, I was like, why are you doing this right now? The choreographer is just fucking Austin Powers. Yeah, probably. Dylan, what were your highlights from New York? I do like the conversation.

I'm still Team Brin when it comes to defending her flirting with Abe at the party that sucked. And she should have backed down about saying that the party was boring. It was boring. or ground. And so I still think that was funny and good and that that errands just being humorless about it. But I do think that Brin's defense of being like, I was clearly fake flirting. Like, how dare you ever accuse me of ever considering possibly real flirting with like a person in a relationship is like kind of overstating the point and doesn't really hold water for me. Like I just think if you're, if you're going to pretend like the thing about flirting is that like what the difference between

flirting and just hitting on somebody is the like playfulness of it the fact that it's like unsurious right like that's like that's how you define the difference like you know from uh from the most positive angle it's just like it's like hitting out somebody with like a bit of role playing and play acting involved but from like a more negative angle it's like hitting out somebody with plausible deniability built in So to say like that was like fake flirting. It's like well, flirting is always like play acting. It's always a game.

So I don't think you really get to like make that distinction between what's fake flirting and what's real flirting. I don't think there is a clear distinction there. So I don't think that was a strong line of defense, even though I'm still on Brin's side for that. And again, her tagline is I love to laugh, but make me mad and I'll date your dad. That's the thing. You can't make your whole thing about like I flirt with every dude no matter what.

And then as soon as somebody gets mad at you for it, be like, how dare you accuse me of that? Like, that's what you've been saying six times every episode. I just think getting to playing that. Yeah, but this is fake. And it's never actually real. It's like just kind of like, is trying to rest your defense on like a false economy there.

But it was an interesting. Oh, oh, one thing, one last thing. And I'll shut up. My favorite moment of all of this was like, it was 40 minutes of vapid nonsense that ended on this stellar line. what are you a federalist like talking about the George Rocks? I was like, what?

That was hysterical. Get those words out of your mouth. It was so good. Dylan, did you have any other highlights from New York? Uba is a highlight. I didn't expect it or take Aaron's side. That was unexpected. But, you know, good for her to like to kick

kind of a different position than the other girls. I also like that she made it clear in her confessionals that she was not specifically taking Aaron's side, but taking the side of a married woman. Right. Taking the side of the principle, not the actual situation, kind of. Yeah. Just lots of like classic, like, cute airhead Uber moments. When somebody suggested they need to change the topic.

And she's like, nobody's told me I look beautiful today. Like that was just a funny delivery. She was like a spokesperson for Africa for a good 10. minutes. Yeah, which was cool. Yeah, I liked it. If this is paradise, Africa's heaven or something. That's cool.

Also, we see her waking up in bed and she's reading, you know, something you don't always see what we do, reading a book. And usually if they do, they like blur out the cover. And they didn't really blur out the cover enough on this one because I was very easily able to find soulmates by Iris Gatineau Tarbook. And it is wild, man. It is a, I downloaded it. today. And it's just like like just like self-help kind of stuff but about like fighting your

soulmate and like how to have good sex and stuff written by this Israeli woman. And like I think it was as far as I could tell was originally published in English, which is wild because it reads like Google Translate like just like very awkward broken sentences. Just things like if you want love, live, be in love with life. Believe that you are worthy of love and the energy. with which you will then radiate, will turn your dreams into reality. To achieve that, you have to work much on yourself,

removing your blockages from the past, elevate your heart frequency, get to know and start loving yourself. Sometimes you don't have to do all this because life may occasionally be a game with accidental winnings. To take yourself, life, love rigidly,

and too seriously, let the unplanned variances happen. Believe that your life is already perfect and that it is remarkably leading you towards fulfill it of your wishes. And it just goes on that like that for like a hundred years. That's a very long sentence. It's so cool. There was a couple sentences in there and one ellipsis to be fair. But I do kind of want to get a tattoo that says life may occasionally be a game with accidental winnings because there's something just kind of like there's a haunting mystery

about that that broken phrase that like really appeals to me. There's an uncomfortable truth there that I don't like acknowledging. Yeah. Yeah. It's good one. There's also this whole passage about why a woman's vagina is like an octopus that sucks energy out of a man, which seems to really misunderstand both vaginas and octopuses. Obviously, I've- Are you sure you don't want to get that one tattooed? There's room for both. Anyways, I was pleased because I would expect Uber to read something this fucking weird.

And it's always nice for me to have like a glimpse into like what some of these people, some of these weirdos read. Because like for another show I was doing, I was like researching some stuff that used to be like published in America and like the 1600s and 1700s. And like tracks about like theosophy and things and like like weird pseudo philosophical things that people used to publish all the time. I used to read that are just like just going on like vibes and dreams about like this is my conception of the world. And it's just always cool when you come across something and you realize that that kind of shit never stopped. It's just not part of, though, things that you're used to paying attention to. But there is a whole bunch of other people out there who are reading all these very strange, like, vibes-based pseudo philosophical self-help books. I appreciated opening that little trapdoor and falling down it for a couple hours.

So thanks, Uba. Thanks for that. And what was the name of the book again? soulmates. There's a subtitle too, which is something about like finding love and I don't know. I don't remember what the subtitle is. But yeah. So check it out. I'm going to be, recommending that. What was that author again? Yeah. Iris Gatengno Tarbuck. And look out for the film adaptation on Fireside. Any other highlights from New York, Dylan? No, or not really. I mean, I think we pretty much covered all of it. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that about does it for me as well. The one other thing that stood out to me is that I was absolutely shocked on the drive home that Aaron mentioned that she's the youngest one of this group. Like, I don't know. Were you guys surprised by that at all? Not really, to be honest. I mean, Bryn also seems youthful, but she's also said that she's 36 in a previous episode. so that didn't like blow my mind that she's the youngest, no. Okay.

Who did you think was the youngest then? I would assume Bryn was the youngest actually. Yeah, she's the other competitor, right? I would have guessed, yeah, Bryn or Uba, but Aaron, I don't know, I would have put Aaron as at least as old as, Si, probably older. Or Jessel actually seems younger too. So no, yeah, I would have expected that Aaron was oldest or second oldest, to be honest. don't let her hear

that. Yeah, won't tag her in that reel, that's for sure. But you all look 21. You all look 21. No, just like not so much

the way they look, just the way that like she carries herself with just being so uptight. Sure. Yeah, yeah. The way she's married to a man who's a dead head.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But I guess one of the thing that kind of came to mind while thinking about these episodes that we were covering kind of back to back is I am starting to come around to what Aaron is bringing to the table as a housewife and you know buttered up soup yeah well she's she's very like unlikable but it's really it really comes out to like her hypersensitivity is what is her best quality as a housewife she's yeah not likable but she takes

everything personally and is like really resentful of anything that anyone says. But I like another hostwife that is like that we saw this week. We didn't we saw it kind of manifest a little bit on Rehousewurstals at Salt Lake City with Meredith. She's a very like hypersensitive housewife. And I just find her so much more likable like immediately likable than then Aaron. and I can't really put my finger on why that is. Yeah, maybe Darren just needs more seasoning in the game. She also does give off a little bit of an entitlement vibe too,

I think, which is part of her unlikeability for me anyways. Like there's like a bit of a whiff of that. And but it is a good point that her sensitivity is like a valuable asset. It's something that the shows need too. You need sensitive people. You don't just need the stirrers with, spoons in every pocket. You need people with cups to be stirred. There has to be people who react. Exactly. Yeah. I do think that Meredith is maybe a little better at being nuanced and how she

like leverages the social capital she's built up from the one fucking episode I've seen, where I will say that it sort of felt like erred was like brash maybe or like more like on the nose with the way she's trying to like, I'm trying to make a problem right now. Here's a non-issue. Yeah, a little less delicate about how she like approach those situations for sure yeah i think you're like bang on with that and um also to your point dylan i think that that is maybe just a um a symptom of having been on these shows for a lot longer like meredith has an additional three seasons under her belt so she knows how to approach these a little bit better but um so we could see this happen as Aaron becomes a little bit more seasoned.

I think that about covers most of what I wanted to talk about this week. Did you guys have any other final thoughts? Did you guys have any reactions to the Ying Yoni commentary when they were sunning themselves? There's more of that like weird bullshit that I, that I love, that like kind of strange, like mystical, you know, like somewhat yoga inspired. mindset. Just like heavily mixing philosophies and religions. It's yinging meets yonis meets what's a concept now.

Just picking some buzzwords from like Sanskrit and Chinese and just like giving them new definitions that just mean like live your true life and stuff and then just kind of blending it all together is fun to be. So my reaction. Just as long as you say it like confidently enough, then. you're good. Yeah, 70% of anything is confidence, especially statistics. I loved it.

She was just like, this is the thing, you should do it. And she was very confident in it. And I just love the line like, your yoni is your life force. You're supposed to let the yang, the sun's vitamin Ds penetrate you. Like while she's got her feet up to the sky, super awkward. Another fantastic moment with rehearsals in New York that I had in my notes here was the alternate reality edit that we got of Bryn doing her like her sharing. Yeah. I don't think.

Splicing, splicing in the clip of Jenna being like, by the way, my name is Judith and the like strong reaction was so funny. It was very good. Was that like not a real? Yeah, so it was like taking two actual clips together and put them together in the edit to create this ultimate reality. I definitely laughed out loud as soon as that. It was very funny. I couldn't tell 100%, but I thought maybe it was fake. It was really good. Josh, thank you so much for doing this. Do you want to remind everyone where they can find you and your podcast? Yeah, absolutely. Thanks so much for having me. Again, for everybody, I am Josh Greenway. I am the resident dungeon newbie of Crash Course DM, available as a tabletop roleplaying game podcast

on all your favorite podcasting platforms or on YouTube as well under at Crash Course DM. Awesome. Everyone check that out. Dylan, how about yourself? I'm going to mention again a limited four episode podcast series that I just wrapped up. The Devil You Don't. It's like sort of a history show about the New Jersey cryptid, the Jersey Devil, and its intersections with American history.

So a lot of funny and weird stories from 300 years of history in that region. All four episodes are now available online wherever you're listening to this. The devil you don't. That sounds like some great inspiration for Stephen King novel. I will have to message him. Just let him know. Could you let him know I said that? Yeah, for sure.

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