Oscars Outsider - Boujiewolf w/ Jon Wilson (RHONJ S13E11, VPR S10E11)

Episode Date: April 22, 2023

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Bravo Outsider podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter and as always I'm joined by my co-host Dylan Ferguson. Dylan, how's it going? Well, just, you know, trying to take it one day at a time. It's, I'm not going to sit here and lie to you and say that everything's fine. It's been a hard time. You know, we're all trying to do our best we can with, sorry, just pouring myself a bit of rosé here. Oh, my God.

I mean, it's hard to wrap your head around the fact that you just kind of have to get up in the morning. And just like any other day, you know, have breakfast, go to work, do a reality TV, a podcast knowing that there's still going to be that big, but also adorably small hole in our lives left by Rose. So, I mean, I'm sure that we're all struggling with the news about. rosé's passing. And I see I'm the only one drinking rosé, I think, but that's fine because we all grieve in our own ways. Absolutely. I've decided to take a day of reflection and remembrance, hashtag rosé all day.

And that's how I've decided to move forward. So, yeah, doing the best I can. Good to see you again, Craig. Yeah, well, joining us for this horse wake is our outside. this week. John Wilson. I would rather live in shit than let anyone see me work in a shovel. There it is. Excellent. That's an excellent tagline.

I'm pretty sure that is not a canon housewife tagline. That's John Wilson original. Yeah, it's a, it's kind of a, you stumped, Craig? It's kind of a rip off of actually a quote from the wire. Oh, okay. You didn't stump him. No. I'm a little excited there, is it? Yeah, no. Well, for anyone that's just joining this podcast for the first time,

what we do here is we bring on someone who doesn't follow Bravo shows or the Real Housewives, make them watch the episodes for the week and get their takes. John is our outsider this week. John, do you want to just let people know what your past experience watching reality TV is and what your take on the, what your idea of reality TV was prior to going into this. Sure. I guess I've watched, you know,

more competition-based reality TV, like, you know, Survivor and those kind of shows. I usually have been avoiding it otherwise. My wife watches a lot, so I'll like enter and leave the room while it's on. For instance, that... Oh, yeah. The one where they're all on a boat, the...

Oh, below deck. The yacht-based reality TV. Yeah. So I've definitely watched some below deck and, you know, some big brother and things like that. But I'm familiar with that kind of the drama and the end. editing styles of those kind of shows, which were a little similar to the ones I watched, but I'd never really watched Housewives or know anything about the ecosystem that they're all in. Yeah.

It's a good word. I like that. Yeah, it's interesting. You're the first person to bring up below deck, which is, I think right now, Brallow's most popular show on TV on the channel. Yeah, it's kind of interesting how there are a lot of similarities, in my opinion, from below deck to something like Housewives or Vanderpump Rules. But again, it is very distinct because it bears similarities to competition reality shows in that each season the cast is

largely different. There's a few key players that are the same from season to season, but for the most part, you bring on a brand new cast who don't have the shared like backstory and shared like history and drama, and it's kind of a fresh slate each season. So it's a big difference from something like Real House of New Jersey where you've got these deep rooted histories that.

that are driving the conflict and the narrative. Did you find at all that it was difficult to jump into either of these shows without context? It wasn't like difficult, like it was, I hit the button, you know, and it played and there I was watching it. You know, it was, that part was easy. And I kind of like, you know, they do a lot of

cutting back to like trying to remind you of the backstory where I'm like, oh, something happened between them five years ago. It's in black and white. Wow, this is really old. Must have been really old. You know, like they do that kind of like old timing. Yeah, exactly.

It's all it's grainy footage. Yeah, just turn the color balance down. Yeah. But I, yeah, I don't know what the character is like without that, you know, unless they told me the context. it's just like, you know, 10 women jabbering. And I'm trying to like find out who made out with who or like what, you know,

someone's a rat and so forth. So it was like, bleep that out, Craig. That's a very serious slur. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, it was like, I didn't know what was going on. But right away, at least the new housewise of New Jersey, I'm like, Bachelorette party in Dublin, let's go, you know.

They set me up and I was like, okay, it's going to be fun. We're drinking, we're chugging Guinness. Like, all right. Yeah. So that's that part of it I got. I don't know who the people are. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's get started with the real housewives of New Jersey. I thought this was like a really fun episode. I thought that we got to see, we got to see like some really good bonding at this start and then things immediately kind of deteriorate the next morning. What highlights did you have from watching this? I guess it felt like a lot of the episode revolved around someone being called a rat was like the worst thing in the world.

as Dylan kind of mentioned. And I just, that was funny that, and I don't know, it seemed like a theme, at least in the other. What's fun is that. Yeah. It was like a theme with the other episode, which I want to call someone a specific word. And then they just focused on that for a super long time.

Yeah. Yeah. They love to define what things you're allowed or not allowed more like to do or say in terms of like it's an Italian thing. So it'd be really fun to like just compile a list of the definition of an Italian according to the Real Housewives of New Jersey and all their rules that they make up on the spot in order to page somebody doing something as completely beyond the bail. Yeah.

When the wind blows from the east, it's a big deal for Italian. I mean, I get it. They've got like these long, deep-seater traditions. But I love the way that they'll just. hey, hang on to that as any excuse for blowing their top. Because you're not allowed to do that because we're Italian. Oh, right. I'll take your word for it, I guess.

Sure. I like the beer chug. Which of the household? At the beginning, you know, just like they're having a drinking competition to start the episode. Like, that was, like you said, it was fun. Yeah. And I was like, I was kind of impressed a little bit because Gennis, like, chugging Gennis. It's like, it's like eating a sandwich room.

Yeah. Nobody else's shows have like multiple cast members who are good at chugging beer or who you would see would be good at chugging beer, which is another one of the benefits of the Jersey crew. Yeah, I love during that drinking contest that we got a, just a shot of Teresa like clapping on the sideline while everyone is like chugging the beer. In her dress. Yeah, watching watching mini soccer. Good job. did it really hard. I also liked the,

the random shots of like, you know, a guy in the kitchen watching, like in disgust, you know, like the patron out of focus, kind of like, like,

giving it just, ugh, to kind of show like, they're, they're really, I don't know. Yeah, I'm wondering,

like, how many cameras are in the bar or two. Like, I'm always thinking, about like how is how are people also in public with them like what's going on what's the scene like outside of the but you know outside of the show like behind the scenes i don't know but yeah that's that's interesting you bring that off that's kind of something that uh was brought up last week when we had jared's story on and he was like don't the the cameras feel really like

intrusive to these people, but again, like these women, this is a fairly like mature cast of housewives. Although there are two like newbies, they're fairly mature in that they have been doing this for a long time.

So they don't see the cameras as much as, you know, the people that are having a candlelit dinner over in the corner would see the cameras up in, in their faces. But yeah, it definitely would be quite the scene if you're just out in, in Dublin, just

having a candlelit dinner, don't really have the same, like, cultural awareness of what Real Housewives is. And all of a sudden, the Real Housewives, you know, not of Beverly Hills, not of New York City, but the Real Housewives of New Jersey, like, burst in and, like, start going at each other, it would definitely be like what the fuck is happening. Yeah, I can understand where those kitchen workers would just look at them and discuss. But that's also how kitchen workers look at everybody all the time. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Resting kitchen worker face. Yeah. You're right. I did catch a glimpse when they were walking over the bridge in Dublin of their security guard who was like kind of protecting them. Like, so I know there's like a, there's like escorts around them making sure that regular folk don't kind of like walk into their, into their conversation or something, right? Yeah. And also they would each have kind of like a like a handler producer. So typically like they'll be like, I don't know if it's like an associate producer what the title is for them. But they kind of serve as the housewives specific producer. And they'll this person.

producer will be just responsible for like one or two hostelize specifically and kind of be the handler so all of those would be on site and they're you know the the purpose that they serve is to like you know kind of be the manager in the corner of the boxing ring like pumping them up and like also trying to use the whatever position that they're in in order to like create drama or stimulate the scene in some way so they all have that and so it would be like a very substantial production crew that is, you know, roaming around the streets with them. That sounds like a dream job.

Just picturing like, yeah, I'm picturing Jennifer and Margaret like going to their separate quarters and, you know, somebody takes their melt guards out and they spin to a bucket, just like breathing heavily. It is like that. It's exactly like that.

Housewife handler for, that's just a solid position like job I want to apply to. Oh, yeah. I'm going to start throwing it on my resume and see if. anyone asks about it whenever a recruiter calls me. You got to be careful which way do you choose, though, right? You know, if you, uh, because if you say you're the handler for, uh, I don't know, if you're saying the handler for Marisol on Miami or something, they're going to be like,

well, she's, she's drinking herself to death, man. Like, do you not control that? Yeah. Did you have any other specific highlights from Real Housewives in Jersey, John? Let me see. I noticed that the, they were talking so loudly that like the, the sound was like peaking in that like, they are really loud. I mean, oh, yeah. It is.

Like even whatever mics they got going on there, it is, it is, they're just hanging on there. Also, what was? They're just backing those bikes further and further up until they're out in the street. Yeah, windows. Yeah, so, you know, some pretty harsh words. Was it disheveled drug addict, the one called the... Yeah. I was surprised to see that we actually got an apology from Margaret.

Well, she pulled back and said... And it's... Yeah, she, like, pulled back to say, like, I'm sorry, I went too far with disheveled drug addict. She's just dishevelled. Which... Yeah, she just... pulled back the drug addict. She just,

she was trying to part of it. Yeah. It just made me think of like the Simpsons when he's like, you know, I may be, you know, ugly and stupid, but what was the third thing you said? Like a man,

you know, like, I mean, she did, she did walk it back a bit, but I think it wasn't so much that we got an apology for like those specific words that stood out to me. It was that,

you know, I think the exchange went something like, Margaret's like, oh, I don't think I'm a saint, but I also don't think I'm everything you make me out to be. And then Jen says something to the same of like, I'm not everything you make me out to be either. And Marge goes, well, I haven't made you out to be anything. And Jen just cuts her off and says, yeah, you called me a disheveled drug addict. Like, this is a specific thing that you have made me out to be. And for Marge, Margaret to be like, yeah, you're right. I apologize. I was too harsh.

It was pretty like, it was pretty surprising from someone who is seemingly hell bent on being at odds with Jennifer. For her to kind of give up and to seed any ground whatsoever. Yeah, yeah. It seemed like really unnecessary for her to do. Like she didn't really have any reason. I guess other than maybe public opinion to to apologize to like look somewhat self-aware.

Right. It came across, yeah, it was very surprising to me. What was the drugs she was addicted to? Or was she not addicted to drugs? Well, she was not like a full-blown addict or anything, but she likes to like smoke a joint after the kids go to bed. Yeah, I think it was just in reference to the week smoke. Like that's, yeah.

She just, she just likes to smoke a joint with snow hell. So she called that back. Yeah. She likes coffee. Yeah. She really likes coffee. You know that can get you in trouble. They're just pounding, like, wine and everything every single day, but she smoked a joint.

Right. Yeah. I'm sure all these women are by, like, some pills and, like, O-Zempic and stuff. and it's like, you smoke weed? Wow. He's using drugs. Crazy. I wonder if that's also like a generational thing because there is a bit of like an age gap

between Jen and Margaret. And, you know, I feel like if you are maybe closer to Margaret's age where there's probably there's probably been like a bigger stigma. around marijuana in your lifetime that it seems like a bit more of like a cutting jab or something you know kind of shocking whereas now that like marijuana is you know decriminalized in a lot of states i don't know what the the number is but like it's not really shocking to anyone to hear that someone you know uses marijuana occasionally yeah no i think like for for somebody of margaret's age it's like if you like have kids and you smoke weed it's like wow your life's a mess but for like

somebody a bit younger it's like you don't smoke weed and you have kids like how do you win wine after um so john one of the like the standing conflicts within real housewives of new jersey is this battle between uh teresa and melissa and i think we saw this kind of of starting to really boil in this episode. I'm wondering what you're, what you gathered about that conflict and, you know, what side of that conflict you landed on,

given the information that you were exposed to this, this week. Sure. Yeah, I was going to mention that was the other memorable part. Was there arguing on the bus about, Teresa making a comment about, what was the other woman?

name her her daughter um not Melissa yeah Melissa yeah so like their their daughters she didn't go to her whatever event and uh and then I don't know so all I gathered from that was there was like some super defensive thing because she just said like don't say my daughter's name you know like Melissa was just like taken aback that she mentioned her daughter and uh so they did do like the grainy you know black and white, some other comment occurred in the past, but I, you know, I didn't really gather the context of their argument, except for that, like, her daughter was off limits for some reason. And it seemed like I felt like Teresa was not, you know, going too far or being or saying something

out of line. But this is because I don't know, like, the context of that. But I just was like, what? She was just mentioning, you know, like, what do you care if your daughters are friends or not and I don't know it just seemed like uh just like suddenly Melissa was like pissed and wanted everyone to like know that but I don't know I don't know why yeah I mean this to me this like scene in the Springer van I guess it was um uh Rachel Fuda that brought this up and it really felt like um an alley-oop to Melissa like she was putting the ball out there like just hoping that Teresa is going to say something about Antonio just so that Melissa could have something to be upset about. And obviously, you know, it paid off. But I think that Melissa was just, like,

really grasping at something. And there's people that are putting, like, montages of clips of Melissa online where, you know, she is speaking, like, poorly about her nieces. So she's really not, like, holding any higher ground year. One of the things that I really like about New Jersey in terms of like watching it and engaging with it is like I can't think of any other example of a piece of media that causes fans to really be brought into family drama to the extent that Real House House of New Jersey is. Like I feel like you can't help but, you know, watch this and if you're participating in the fan base, but pick aside of either Teresa or Melissa and be really entrenched in the drama.

And, you know, it feels like you're actually actively participating in family drama. And every single thing that you say or do within that, like, conversation, you are, you're furthering that. that argument in in some way. There's always going to be someone on the opposite side that's going to, you know, pick apart things. And I think that's really, I don't know, it's obviously like kind of a really toxic thing, but it's something that I really, I appreciate the toxicity, I guess.

Yeah, I mean, that's a mafia start, right? Or mafia wars anyways. But no, I know what you're saying. That's a good point. It's like you get drawn into not just siding with an individual or another, but their whole clan. Yeah. You know,

they have these whole family units that, uh, that you become invested in. Craig, it's very intense. And you just like to drink like, and in the case of the like Melissa's, you just drink in the radioactive,

you know, like just it burns when it goes to, you're like drinking. Oh yeah. Put it, put it into my vein. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, in terms of like Melissa's fans and supporters, I'm not. entirely convinced that there's not a significant portion of them that are like um bots or like a bot farm because they're like very active online somehow and melissa somehow seems to have

more instagram followers than teresa like substantially um which doesn't make sense because i think like teresa if you're thinking about iconic housewise across any franchise you're thinking Trisa Judice before you're thinking Melissa Gorga. Like, Teresa Judice is going to be one of the, you know, the top three housewife names that you're thinking of. Melissa Gorga is... She's had her own spinoff at one point, right?

Yeah, she went to jail. She was like... And that was like, that was news outside of the bravosphere. Like, you know, that was a high profile thing relative to a lot of the other shit that housewives argue about. So,

um, it just seems really strange that Melissa would have a larger online following and more like active. We need a congressional investigation. Yeah, we do. We get to the bottom of this. And no witness tampering. Dylan, what highlights did you have from this episode? I think my favorite part was when Delora says, what I love about Dublin is how untouched it is as they pull up to a tapus restaurant.

But my second favorite part was, I think, right before that, when they were on the van. And before they once again exploded into their recriminations in anger, they had a really interesting conversation where they're comparing stories about having been cheated on or in some cases have cheated on, you know, a husband or a partner. and how they made the decision of whether to break it off with that partner or to try to continue either as a couple or as friends in some capacity. And the way that they were comparing notes about those choices they made and weighing the value of what you've invested in another person over, you know, so much of your life and how much that means to you versus the possible, you know, recurring negatives in the future and how, how, how, um, how, how, emotional and those decisions are, I thought that was a very good moment because it was very emotional and it was a rare moment of them like really being a group that's comparing notes and, you know,

being there for each other to an extent. And it's a mature moment too. Like it, it's the kind of thing that you don't really see in scripted media. You know, for all the, you know, countless,

um, movies there are about, about people starting relationships or deciding to get married or whatever. It's very rare to see those kind of storylines addressed about when the moment happens that a partner betrays the trust. And then you have to just decide whether that it's best to continue to move forward or not. And it's mature in the sense that, like, you know, we'll get to Vanderpupup rules at a second. But you see the difference between like slightly older characters and slightly younger characters. Yeah. In terms of it's very attractive when you're younger to like draw lines in the sand and just be like, you know, I've been betrayed. I have to cut you out of my life forever. That's me standing on my principles doing what I have to do for me. And then there's the more mature version where you're like, well, I'm thinking about actually my life and thy future and my happiness and how much of my self is invested in another person. And these decisions are actually a lot more complex than that.

Yeah. So I thought that was actually a really interesting conversation and very emotional and very effective. So I like that scene a lot. I thought that was really good. Yeah. I had that mark down too in my notes as something that really stood out to me. It was a really like candid moment. And I love when we get things like this like very introspective, candid discussions amongst housewives that, you know, come from a very like human place.

And they kind of slip into the. episode. I think that's one of the qualities of Real Housewives that, again, like you say, you don't see that inscripted television without it being, without it being like really ham-fisted in there by the writers and feeling very forced. And I thought that it was interesting how that moment evolved because it seemed to start with Margaret saying, hey, Teresa, you should have, like, dance with that Irish guy at the bar, which to me felt like it was. It was, was a play for her, like it was a strategic play for her to try to draw out this information to come out of Jen's mouth. Like she, I think that she's constantly trying to get Jen to expose this

rumor about Melissa, this piece of information. She wants it to come out of, you know, Jen's mouth so that she ends up being the bad guy. And I think it started as Margaret really baiting her in a sort of strategic social positioning way that you, see throughout housewife shows that's that's like the game of it and it just evolved into like a really like human moment and they were talking like you said about infidelity and how like navigating infidelity not in terms of black and white which is something that you see in most narrative fictional television but kind of the the gray scale in between and and how you manage that which is probably a lot closer to, you know, the truth that people live, especially as they, you know,

they mature. So, yeah, this, this was, this was a really amazing moment that I, I really appreciate. And I thought, okay, this is, this is something, this is something that housewife give, housewives gives that you don't see everywhere. You, this is very, like, um, illustrative of the, um, the, the, the beauty that you see in this form of art. Totally. And because it's also something that's very relatable, even though it's not as represented enough in scripted fiction. Because like, you know, being cheated on or cheating on people or having that happen is something that's almost universal experience.

You know, there's such an impulse that people have. And we definitely see that in Vanderpump. You know, we'll get to that. To treat every instance of it as if it were like some cataclysm. That's like almost like something that you can. and even imagine happening. And that's understandable on an emotional level. It understands it's reasonable that it feels that way emotionally.

But the mature perspective is like, this is just something that everybody goes through. And to have that kind of like that emotional maturity to discuss it in a way that you rarely see it discussed. The depiction of that I thought was really interesting. And a nice break from the rest of the episode, which was just, you know, endless shouting over one another. and getting drunk a bit up to start. Yeah. But I am on the whole looking forward to them going back to New Jersey because I want the dudes back. Yeah.

I want the back home. I was wondering where the dudes were. But it's like, they're back in Jersey. I assume there was dudes, but maybe I was like maybe the husbands aren't in the show. Like I didn't, wasn't sure about that. Well, in most shows, they take a backseat. but in New Jersey they take a front seat and we're just not seeing them in this episode because they're on a cast trip. But there's one other thing that I want to go back to about that conversation about infidelity that we saw.

And what I thought was interesting is that we also saw kind of a switch between, you know, housewife's gameplay and kind of human engagement specifically in Margaret because when she was talking about her experience as being, you know, the cheater and navigating that she was very honest. And then when she was referring to the incident of infidelity between Jen and Bill, she, like, she seated that, you know, you guys made it through this because, you know, you love each other and you chose to go down that path to go through it. And you, like, truly love each other. And, you know, that, that infidelity, like bringing up that infidelity is at the root of the conflict between Jen and Margaret, at least the initial, initially.

Yeah. And so for her to, you know, be really human and be like, you guys love each other, I see that, you know, there's actual love within your relationship. I thought that that was, it was a really nice to see her kind of flip out of game mode and to, you know, connect on a human level. Yeah, flip out of game mode, I think is the key phrase there that that's because it shows the difference between having a conversation that has like actual engagement with the personal histories and emotions and all these disputes where it's all about really pretending to have like much bigger emotional stakes. and you actually do have in order to do gamesmanship, in order to get people on your side and all that stuff, which is always at a certain point, these discussions become just like Talmudic.

It's just like it's almost pure esoterica, like just trying to figure out what information it's unacceptable to share when it's welcome to have information shared, when you're allowed to be angry that somebody shared what you said, And when you're not allowed to be angry with somebody shared what you said, there's just like, you can't trace those rules. You can't map this out at this point. Yeah. Because it's just become pure gamesmanship and the, and just, yeah, the contrast between that and having an actual conversation that like really touches on what they would actually feel about their lives.

In the middle of it, you see a switch flipping. Yeah, absolutely. Cool. Dylan, what other highlights did you have from this episode? Yeah, not really much anything else other than that. Though I'm kind of surprised we didn't mention boogoo-wolf yet. Yeah, that was... So I guess that has to be...

I mean, rat. They mentioned rat and she was trying to, I don't know, buga-wolf, then they had to go for a definition like it was a real word. Is that the generational gap? Yeah, okay. So is this a word that you... Is this a word you've heard before? Because like when she said it, when she said it, I was like,

okay, this sounds like something that I might have heard before, but I have no idea what she's talking about. So here's what I think. I think this is kind of like the coffee thing. It's Jen like overplaying her hand and kind of embarrassing herself by being too inorganic with her attempted comeback. And I think that what she did is. is I think Jen Fessler said, like, she, like, went in the dictionary and looked for a word.

I think that's basically what she did. I think she, like, went online and tried to find, like, an obscure insult. And I think she didn't realize that she was looking at urban dictionary and not, like, an actual dictionary. Because I was trying to find definitions of this word. And there's a few, and they're all in urban dictionary. This isn't something you're going to find in Miriam Webster. So, I mean, it's a word in the sense that it seems to. be something that people use. It's not in the OED, but it seems to be something people use. It's a word.

But it seems to be like club slang or something. So I mean, I guess check for getting a sort of word. It's it's maybe not as much of the word as conversating. That's definitely a word, by the way. Just going to throw that out there because it's come up in like three consecutive episodes, I think. Conversating is a word. I think Boogal Wolf could take off, you know, based on the episode, though. Like, it's definitely more popular word now. Oh, yeah, for sure. I'm sure that's, like, trending on Google search rankings now.

Oh, yeah. I think I saw a clip of Jen on social media of having made a shirt that says Bougawolf on it now. So he's going to leave it. You can get a wardrobe that's got, like, endorsed and then Bougallel. I think you mentioned that this is kind of an example of, Jen overplaying her hand a little bit here. And it's really interesting that she does have kind of a history of doing this in arguments,

but she is somehow like careful enough with stuff that really matters where she doesn't do this. Like she's kind of like a clumsy housewife strategically. Like she just kind of fumbles around, but she knows just enough of what to protect that. I think that makes her like an especially. frustrating adversary for someone like Margaret. So, yeah, I think that was really interesting to see. Yeah.

Another thing that we saw here was when Margaret gets involved in the conflict with Danielle, she tries to hold over Daniel's head, this, like, favor that she did. And we get a clip of it where Margaret just, like, without being asked to, has put put boogie kids through like a logo generator software and being like, hey, I redesigned your logo here. And Danielle's like, oh, that's so nice. And Margaret's trying to like use this as this like big favor that she did. And like, I've always been kind to you.

I put your bougie kids through a logo generator. Yeah, that was pretty funny. Which, by the way, I did not realize until this episode that they're spelling boozy, B-O-U-J-I-E. Yeah, I feel like I've usually seen that with a G. Yeah. I mean, kids has a Z at the end. That's fair play.

But I feel like I'm more used to seeing Bougy spelled with a G than a J. Well, it's an Italian thing. What can I say? We're like Bougy Wolf. I'm right? Oh, yeah. No, no, that's the episode title now, Bougie Wolf. All right.

So if you don't have any other. highlights. Let's move on to Vanderpump Rules. John, what was your first impression of all the cast members of Vanderpump Rules? Vandermpump Rules, you know, they're all, they're younger, and I'll let you know, like, I was confused by the title of the show, um, because it wasn't like wives, you know, or something, but I was told beforehand that it's a show, one of the housewives has a restaurant. It's like a show about this restaurant. And I quickly was wondering, like, when does the restaurant come into the show? Because I was kind of like waiting for it to be like, you know, one of those restaurant reality shows that I've, you know, seen a couple times.

But it was, it was young people who, you know, their relationships, they're making out with each other. Yeah, it gave me a little bit of below-deck vibes as far as, like, just that kind of drama. I don't know. I didn't find the, like, characters as interesting as the housewives. Like, they weren't as, like, strong, I guess, like, as far as, like, their personalities weren't, like, I don't know. just in comparison to watching them so close together. But, and, you know, I don't know, in general, it's okay. I'm trying to think, like, what, it seemed like there was a lot of acting in the show,

at least in the scene specifically where the three guys, there's like Tom and the other guy, they have like the manager tell them had he fired everyone and uh and it just seemed like like it was like the stakes of that you know seemed like they should be high but no one actually seemed to care they were just like kind of saying what they had to say um so that that but then other other scenes in the show did seem like they were real interactions you know

there was like uh i don't know i just like the maybe it's the people in the show or not as like, they don't have as much personality. I don't know. I kind of just the thought that Tom guy was like, whatever, like, he's just bland. Except for when he made the comment that he, like, could not go outside with chipped nails, which I thought was a funny. Oh, yeah.

They had to get his nails done or something. But, yeah, I don't know. that was kind of my first impression where I like the housewives like they were they were more they were more real that's why yeah that's yeah um I think that that's interesting that you bring that up we've had actually a lot of people uh voice the opposite opinion that they were more like engaged in uh vanderpubb rules versus the real housewives but I think in this specific episode, I can kind of see where you're coming from because there was, like you said, a lot of content that was a bit more restaurant storyline heavy surrounding, you know, trying to get Schwartz and Sandy's up and running, which is, feels just really constructed and no one really cares about. So it's, yeah, it's, it's kind of boring.

but yeah I could I could see how you could get that read from this episode were there any specific characters on here that stood out to you as particularly interesting or engaging or I guess by contrast

anyone that stood out as particularly bland and boring I mean the episode really revolved a lot around I think it was Raquel and she was she had made out with a couple of the wrong people

and I always I just find it funny Yeah Tom Schwartz Yeah Tom Schwartz And that other woman's son Um Oh yeah Who was married

Oliver And that kind of drove the episode So like Raquel was interesting Um You know she's like newly single I guess. So that's why she's making out with everybody. And I like how it's like high school where people make out.

You know, like that's the only detail you get. Yeah. It's not on screen. Like I don't, I didn't see them like in below deck. For instance, you see people like get into bed together and like,

or you see them making out in a hot tub. But this was all kind of like just talking about they made out. and you kind of like wondering like what does that mean like like like like you fingered her or like they you know what was like like we actually didn't see it in the preceding episode but it was just like an awkward kiss or two it was like a few awkward kisses and yeah okay presumably no more than that it was very awkward well that their interaction with uh that that was the big like buildup where like oh now they're going to talk when uh tom schwartz goes to the restaurant and she's working there.

And they have, there was like the most awkward, like he went to try to shake her hand or something. And then they were like trying to make her sit with them. Oh. And that was like, that was kind of weird. Like it weird.

Like, yeah. It was. It was. Yeah. The vibes were weird. That's why I like that moment. Because that was after the restaurant scene where I was like,

this seems like too scripted. And then that was like, no, that was real because Tom Schwartz is awkward. and the other Tom is like just trying to get them to to be like together and and like drive the drama I guess I guess that was his his play there so yeah yeah yeah exactly so I'm I'm gathering from from your take that you haven't you haven't heard of the the scand-of-all the Scandival.

Something. Yeah, that's a big, that's a big note. My wife was the same reaction to Jennifer saying boogie wolf right now. Yeah. My wife told me there was something about Tom and Raquel, that was on Twitter or something.

I don't know if that's what you were referring to, but. Yeah. So, okay, so Tom Sandoval, the one who got his like nails painted white, so he didn't like put the bar menu in or whatever.

Him, so he is like, has been dating Ariana for nine years. And it came out off camera after they had basically wrapped for the season that he had been sleeping with Raquel for many months, like eight or nine months. Yeah. So what we are starting to see in this episode is all the clues. who's kind of dropping about this because the hookup apparently started shortly before the trip to Mexico, which is what we saw in the past, like, two or three, three episodes. So now they're kind of in a full-blown affair at this point, and people are like constantly looking for Easter eggs of that.

And I think that this scene that you're referring to where Sandoval asks Raquel to come and, like, sit in between him and Tom Schwartz. The weird, awkward, like, body language that you're seeing behind it, I think is one of the first big, like, standout clues that we're getting this season, that there's, you know, there's something there. And that was right when Marianne walked in the room and said, and told me about that. And I was like, no, it's the other Tom. Like, they made out in Mexico.

I was trying to explain what was happening. She was trying to tell me what's happening The scandal And I was like You're not You don't know what's going on Like yeah No that that makes sense

That makes sense that there was like Like there's a story in the show That they're telling Like rookie mistake getting your tom's crust Yeah Well exactly It took me a while to realize they were both Tom Because they kept calling the one guy Schwartz too

But Yeah But I do definitely not like Tom, you know, like I don't like him. I don't know. Bothers me. Sandball. Sandball.

Sandibal. Yeah. Yeah. Mustache. Yeah. Like it. Just to be clear. Yeah. Yeah. And so how is his relationship? What are the highlights? I guess I'm wondering, is he like, like, Vanderpump is the housewife who has the restaurant.

How is he connected? Is he just work there? Yeah. Well, he, he, he started. he started out as a bartender. He's season one cast on Vanderpump rules. And so initially the concept, yeah, it was to follow the staff of this restaurant. But instead of, you know, staying set at this restaurant and focus on whoever the current staff is, it's just continued to follow this same cast from season one. Okay. So, you know how on below deck, you know, it's going to follow.

the captain and whatever the crew is that that season Vanderpump rules hasn't it's as though they took the crew of the first you know ship ship serve and and

continued to follow them after they had stopped being yachties basically and they pretended to be yachties for a long time and now they've just dropped that whole facade and you know Tom Sandoval and Tom Schwartz have a bar with Lisa Vanderpup and they're trying to open up another one without Lisa Vanderpump and that's not going well.

I thought the only thing that was interesting about this, you know, restaurant storyline that we got this episode was like it kind of clicked for me that this, what was different about this restaurant storyline at it was I feel like they're trying to give Lisa Van derrick. Vanderpump a like a savvy business woman edit by showing you know these two basically fail with without her and um you know she is this um yeah savvy business woman that um can do no wrong yeah um did you have any other highlights from Vanderpenterenter. rules, John? I noticed there was a scene. I like that actually

that everyone has dogs and cats and there's a lot of dog and cat shots. That was nice. Was there something that they have a dog grooming business too? Or was that just like a Lisa Vanderbump does. Yeah, that's where Katie's new boyfriend

gets his hair done. I'm gridlined by Sheena there. He did absolutely. Yeah. Like, oh. The Irish woman wearing gloves just hose them off and bring them. Right. So, yeah, that guy, she brings in that guy satchel, which is just amazing.

But it was the fact that they dropped that he was named after satchel page and then did not, like, just assume all the viewers would know satchel page. Like, he's a baseball player from like, you know, so like a hundred years ago or whatever. and they didn't even like say like the baseball player or anything they just like these fans of this show aren't going to know satchel pages like but uh he he did seem like he was just like a curtain uh on the the show yeah no he looked like a duchier version of josh grovin but yeah then like I think like Sheena just nailed the take on his hair. I actually loved the moment where they introduced Satchel. Yeah. It was, yeah.

I laughed my ass up. I just thought it was really funny. Katie's like building it up. Like, you know, if Tom wants to play these games, well, I'm going to bring my man in. And let me tell you, he's a real man. We fucked a lot. Yeah. She was giving him this intro like he was the Dawn. But we saw earlier with him.

And she just throw them out now. All ruined. My apartment, I just, I slosh through it. I'm waiting through my apartment. It's like Hurricane Katrina in there. It's like herricking Katie's vagina because I'm getting pounded all the time. I was fucking real man. And she trots about it.

And it's just like this slouchy kid with a fucking Cocker Spaniel head. It looks like she found him like smoking a roach behind the bleachers. out of high school. He's practically like taking off a backpack and shoving it under the table. And she's like, yeah, here's the guy. I'm not too tired for boning me all day. Are you? Yeah, that's right.

He's sitting there like, yeah, Katie, I think I have a nosebleed. Great, Bob. I love that. Yeah, his dick still works, right? She made that comment. Yeah. Yeah, that was a dig at her, her, Tom Schwartz, her ex-husband. Oh, wow.

Okay. There was a line at one point of one episode where she says, Dick doesn't work or something. Yeah, it's come up a few times. That is, Dick doesn't work. That's like, a consistent story point. You don't need a dick to make out. Yeah.

One other thing that I noticed, when I was thinking about the dogs, I was thinking about just like a scene where the women were around a table. And I can't remember the name. There was like the one who has a boyfriend who's like super jacked. And the one woman was like making a sandwich as she was talking. She was just like just out of the frame. Lola, right?

Yeah, maybe Lola. They were like at a counter, you know, like around a whatever kitchen island. and she was making a sandwich. And I just was like kind of focused on like, what is she doing with this knife here? Like she's just there. She's spreading, you know? She was like doing an action and it cut like one line.

And then the next line, she just had this full sandwich that was on the counter. Like she just like pulled out of a subway package. And then it was like the end of the scene. It was just like the way the head had worked. It was like she was like spreading butter or something. And then just suddenly she had this like, perfectly cut and made sandwich sitting there.

Dylan, what were your highlights from Van der Waver Burles? Aside from Satchel, you know what? I was surprised how interested it wasn't actually in Tom Sandable in this episode. I have to say, Sandoval and Ariana have kind of been big players this season, right? We haven't seen a ton of them. They've mostly had just like B plots. They haven't really been in the spotlight at all this season. And now we see a lot more of Sandwell this episode.

And I just thought it was interesting just how fucking stressed out the guy looks. Like he's just like ready to snap out everybody all the time. And I thought that was pretty interesting. Like you feel like obviously that they're playing into the show like it's restaurant stuff. And the restaurant stuff maybe is part of it too. like, uh, I'm sure it is. Like he says at what point he's like got his mom's retirement savings in it or something. Yeah.

Like if that's true, like, damn, man, that's potentially rough, especially what's going on now. Like, uh, so, uh, so, but I'm sure part of the stress too is that he's starting an extra barital affair and probably he's starting to realize that it's that the people are going to find out. It's in his friend group. Like it's not going to be under wraps forever. Um, yeah. So I thought it was interesting just seeing him as like being completely under a ton of pressure and just like unable to control himself a lot.

But that specific awkward scene with Raquel and Tom and Lisa, which I really liked. I did find it interesting the way he kind of gives that information to Raquel that Katie called her a whore and is like delighted to do it because it makes Katie look like shit. And he's delighted to make Katie look like shit. And then when he realizes he'd said something that was like really wounding to Raquel, he kind of seems to be like about to cry or possibly crying after. And nobody is going to like me saying that, but it almost makes me like Sandoval a little bit. I mean, no excuse for what he's done. He's a shithead. Sandival's a shithead.

I'm not saying he's not a shithead. But that's the right reaction. That's everybody's reaction is going to be that. But he's not, he's never been one of my favorite people even before. he, you know, did, treated Ariana very poorly, obviously. But one of the benefits of a good reality TV show like Vanderpub's rules is that you can't lose sight of the fact that everybody's a human and everybody's got their own emotional

reality, their emotional stakes in the game. Everybody's got their own skin in the game and they can make terrible choices and he has made terrible choices. But he has his own emotional reality too. And this episode, more than any, until now makes it harder to lose sight of the fact that, you know, he's a human like everybody else. And that just adds more complexity to it. Because again, you want these to be like black and white.

And a lot of the fans and I'm sure a lot of people involved in making the show would love there to be clear-cut villains like in a scripted show. But we see enough of them in unscripted moments that we can't deny everybody's humanity. They're all human beings. except for James Kennedy, he has no soul. That's completely unnecessary. But as much as, you know, Sandvalli is definitely, the villain is going to continue to be the villain. Seeing more of him deepens the story.

It adds more complex. I thought he was like a main character, you know, like the way that episode was and not seeing the show before. I thought he was like the guy on the show. And, but also. He definitely is. It's just this season. He has not been so much.

Okay. And it's interesting thinking like the Raquel, you know, yeah, she calls Raquel a whore. Raquel in that episode has two separate guys that she's in trouble for making out with. And she's apparently sleeping with Tom. Like it's, and then she's like, I don't want to be a mistress, you know, like that big crying thing where I mean a mistress and she's sleeping she's a mistress like she's straight up a mistress you know according to yeah whatever online but that was like the big thing where she was like she's not a mistress like or it was an accident you know like she was not on purpose but but she's

she is yeah it was kind of interesting to right it was it was kind of interesting to see how like Raquel had to confront this idea of being positioned as a mistress socially and like online on the show prior to any of the scandal of all revelations happening. Like to see her navigate through this on screen with Oliver is like it is particularly eerie. And I think that again, it's something that. again, it's something that makes me like endears me to Raquel a bit more

someone who does not typically get at least on the like social media sphere a lot of grace but I thought the way she was navigating the situation with Oliver was pretty good

like I think that she handled that pretty well and I mean obviously she didn't learn enough from that in order to, you know, take a step back from Tom Sandibald and, you know, give Ariana the heads up or handle that very gracefully. But I think seeing her handle that with, like, humanity was particularly endearing. And, yeah, Delon, like you said, this reality TV, there's, yes, there's heroes and villains. but it's not black and white.

There's always like a human underneath that has their own motivations and emotions that are driving their actions. So it was an interesting both parallel and contrast to the scandal of all revelations that I thought stood out to me as being particularly interesting. Yeah, she came off really well with the Oliver. thing. Like it was like you go girl like you you tell him and she talked to his wife and stuff and it really was like I don't know you were I was really rooting for her uh you know at that point like she did the right thing yeah and I think you've got like um one thing that's kind of interesting

about this scenario and it it's not playing out over a particularly long period of time but to see both Sheena and Lala taking kind of contrasting positions on this and those are two of the main people that have gone through an experience of being the other woman and having to deal with that very publicly and to see, you know, Sheena kind of advise how to navigate this carefully and, you know, caution Raquel that, you know, it's not a label that you're going to be able to shake. So just be prepared to kind of deal with it and taking on like kind of a mentor's role, whereas Lala has taken the opposite position and really, you know, used it as a point of conflict with Raquel.

And then by the end of this episode, kind of the conclusion of this Raquel mistress arc part one, the mistress father part one, we see kind of a reconciliation where Lala says, you know, you're not a mistress. I know you're not a mistress. Don't let anyone tell you you're a mistress. And that's kind of like the finale. And that's how they kind of tie up part one in a bow. I thought it was really interesting to, you know, kind of see both of those sides of this and, you know, how it affected Raquel.

And you know why else it's interesting? Good Lala finally showed up. You know, I keep talking about the duality of Lala. And she had a terrible last episode where she just said, like, awful, indefensible things. And was terrible for most of this episode, too, because she was just banging that drum and was so happy to have this new information that she could use to cut Raquel apart with. And at the end, you have Raquel going in to talk to Lala on her birthday when she's surrounded by her friends. I was watching this with my roommate. And it was like a scene in a horror movie.

We're both like, don't go in there. Don't go in there. And then, like, surprise, Lala, who's had this, like, opportunity served up to her actually gets, gets around to, like, doing the whole, like, you know, women look after each other, solidarity, you know. And it helps that Rakel had the right approach. Yeah. Credit to her of being, like, I didn't fully understand what you were trying to teach me until now. Kind of.

Of course, Lala's going to enjoy that approach and that, you know, evokes that her her fellow feelings that she actually actually shows some some guidance and comfort which was a shocking twist that I really enjoyed. Yeah, absolutely. So, Dylan, did you have any other highlights here? I've got a whole other page of notes,

but it's all just sentences that begin with satchel looks like. So I don't know how much time you have. We don't have a Twitter account, but we should start one just so that we can schedule all those to go out. I mean, he looks like he knows a lot about spiders. I think you, he looks like he lives on peanut butter and Oreos. He looks like he has a pet lizard. He looks like he has that poster of the naked chicks with like different Pink Floyd album covers on their backs.

He looks like he listens to Gretavan Fleet. He looks like he's in Greenevon Fleet. He looks like he walks on top of the concrete barriers at the edges of parking lots and makes a little sound effect when he jumps off. You know, I'm going to stop. This isn't in the spirit of Rose. This is a feeling, you know, all of a sudden. That's mostly the rest of my notes.

Yeah, that and also that I really like that Tom Schwartz uses the I was living the Vita Loka defense. Oh, yeah. Yeah. These are the highlights. I've used that, yeah. Oh, yeah. One thing that was interesting to me that we, I guess we saw this earlier in the season, but didn't really like kind of click with me. But the fact that Tom Schwartz and Katie are still trying to make this like co-parenting arrangement of their dogs work.

Like, I don't know. John has a lot of dogs. Yeah, but that seems like a classic, like, early mid-20s mistake to be like, okay, we're going to break up, but we're going to, like, share custody of the dogs. And just, like, it continuing to be this, like, huge red flag of, like, someone that cannot move on. I don't know, that's one thing that stood out to me as being particularly interesting. Yeah, even Raquel took full custody of the dog, didn't she? with her small James, yeah. But Tom was like,

it speaks to, Tom was offended that she didn't hang out when she picked up the dog too. Like, you know, one person is in the dog thing. Yeah, for the connection. Yeah. Not the dog hanging out,

but the person hanging out. And it's exactly like, exactly why it's a red flag for, you know, a potential partner if they're sharing custody of a pet with their ex. Like, there's definitely someone that is, like, using this to stay connected to the other person. Like, yeah, like, you love the pet, and that might be what's at the core of this.

But I don't think it's possible to really have a true, clean break when you are doing this just over, a dog. There's two dogs. The dogs feeling too little. Is it two dogs? Yeah, two dogs. Yeah. I wonder like, do these people, some of them have like servants who like take after their dogs or like, I mean, like, how rich are these people?

Like, do they have dog servants? I feel like the cast of Vanderbond dog servants. Yeah. I feel like the cast of Vanderbump rules are like they're doing well, but I don't know how, you know, particularly responsible with their money they are. So, yeah, they might have dog servants because that seems like an irresponsible use of funds. And that wouldn't like, it wouldn't, I wouldn't put it past them. We don't really see that on screen. And, you know, I wonder how much of that is the fact that Lisa Vanderpump has.

has an image of being like an animal lover, responsible animal lover that she likes to put out there where she wants to make sure that on shows that where she's an executive producer that her cast are going to, you know, look at least responsible and caring towards animals, not using them as tools to stay connected to your ex with whom you've got a very toxic relationship. But, yeah, I'm sure they do have dog servants.

I mean, I was going to say the only cast member who's definitely in the strata to have dog servants would be Lisa Vanderpump. But I think Ken is unionized, so I don't think she would actually be able to outsource that job. Who's got a cat? Is it Sheena? Does she have a cat? I can't remember her cat. There was a cat shown a bunch. Yeah, I can't remember the names, but the really buff guy, and they had a cool looking dog. Brock, the Australian.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Makes me love Sheena even more. Like, I love that Sheena as a cat person. Yeah. Yeah. Nice to have some variety in there. Otherwise, it's all just dogs and ponies.

It's good, it's good V-roll, like, edit. Classic dog and pony show. Cutting, you know, they're just like, all right, we've got to cut this sentence, cat, sleeping, dog, back to the people. It is a great idea because like you said, everybody likes to see a dog and then it gives you B-roll that you can stitch the scene together. I mean, it won't help with continuity if an entire sandwich has been assembled in between beats, but it gives you something to work with. So there's two other points that I want to get around to before we close out our discussion here. The first is I was personally shocked. to find out that Ali was kind of the first to raise flags about Raquel and Tom.

Who would have seen that coming from her? Yeah. I was not expecting her to be like, you know, the, the Perry Mason of Vanderpunper rules. Yeah, that was surprising. It was interesting that, you know, as soon as she delivered this information to the girl, that Katie was very quick to kind of use it. Like, I felt that, I don't know, it seemed like she used it very emotionally and not strategically,

which I guess you can kind of expect from Katie as a person and as a character, but as like a 10-year reality TV veteran, it was a bit surprising that she would just, you know, kind of off the cuff, you know, tip her hand. And now Tom's end of all is going to be on alert that, oh, this is already like floating around as a storyline. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That might have been a little premature on her part.

Emotionally driven. Yeah, I think the other thing that I wanted to talk about was Tom Schwartz's former roommate, Joe, Kristen Doughty's crazy friend finally makes an on-screen appearance in a old-timey vignette flashback where we see just a very brief interaction between the two. And we get a bit more context

on Katie's animosity towards her stemming from the last text message that she sent to Katie. before moving in with Schwartz and also the first message after the divorce where she's like, I will always love and respect you and then immediately goes and moves in with her ex-husband or soon-to-be ex-husband. Yeah, that's interesting. I would like, I feel like we won't, but I would like to see a little bit more of that. Because I feel like, wasn't there a bit of like a hot mic moment where they had Schwartz saying,

I love you to her? Yeah, that was the interaction that we got. didn't seem like a it didn't seem like they were in a relationship to be no to be honest it seemed like kind of like a friendly but it indicates a level of intimacy that you could understand why that would make katie very uncomfortable yeah even if they're not sleeping together like you could see why that she would be very upset that somebody that they have like a very intimate relationship with like immediately became roommates i wonder why yeah she's a roommate like does she was she needing a place to stay, like there was nowhere else to stay that she had to stay with her recently getting divorced

friend, like she doesn't know anyone else. Like, I don't know. It just seems, that seems a little weird. I feel like. Yeah, it would be one thing if it was like Tom's like, okay, well, I'm splitting up with Katie. I need a place to crash. Can I crash with you? But this is an apartment that like Schwartz is just moving into. And then I guess Joe is also moving into. I hesitate to, like, speculate on Joe too much up until now just because she hasn't really appeared on camera and has only, you know, been alluded to. But now that we've actually got an albeit brief moment of her, I feel like she's kind of fair game a little bit to speculate about. So, but yeah, it does seem really strange and, like, a impulse. thing that they would move in together or at least very like thoughtless but yeah it's it's

interesting to me to see where that how that relationship evolves and knowing that Kristen Doughty is a friend of her and we get to see Kristen later this season I'm curious if there'll be any sort of resolution to that storyline I doubt it, but I'm so eager to see if that happens. I would love to see Kristen show up and just completely explain their history, Joe and Tom Schwartz's history. Yeah, I want to get one of those, like, like, maps with photos and, like, with yarn connecting them.

I want to get that sort of explanation from Kristen Doty. She would do it, too. She would do it. Yeah. And, like, Kristen Doty has this, like, this great, like, on-screen way about her. where she's kind of like frantic and like pacey and like uh like always like darting full time and like i feel like if there's anyone that's going to get that kind of grizzle detective um uh persona that we've had come up on this podcast a lot of of our guests have projected that on

various reality characters um i think that christend doughty is the most well-sue for that. Cast, Chris and Doughty as Columbo. Yeah, exactly. Did either of you have any final thoughts on either Banderpump rules or Real Housewives of New Jersey?

Yeah, that's about the highlights. Unless you want to know more things that Satchel looks like, but I think we got it down. Yeah. Close us up with a few more. Oh, what did he even say? I mean, Satchel, let's see. Looks like he owns a hacky sack.

I don't know if I said that. The Satchel looks like he's referred to Christopher Nolan as the Kubrick of our time. Oh. You know, that's enough. That's enough. Awesome. Well, thank you so much. Yeah.

Thank you so much, John, for doing this. It was so good to have you on. Do you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, I prefer not to give up my home address, but I, you know, I appreciate you guys having me on the show. It was very nice, you know, kind of get into the ecosystem and see what the housewives are like. You could follow me on Instagram at Johnny Wislon, J-O-H-N-N-Y, W-Z-L-O-N, and, you know, check out whatever comedy stuff I'm doing in the... And, you know, if you feel like, I don't care. But if I see you, if I see you, you know, I'll give me a big smile and a wave and so forth.

Tell me you heard, tell me you heard me on Bravo insider or outsider. I'm now an insider now. I consider myself an insider. Yeah, you've earned your beer. Yeah. Yeah, thanks guys. That was fun. Dylan, how about you?

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