Oscars Outsider - Does Angie Have A Receipt? | Real Housewives of Salt Lake City S06E06 Recap/Analysis

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

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Yeah. When Andy dropped her bombshell that Lisa was apparently encouraging her to dig up dirt on Meredith, we'd said at that moment that she better have some piece of evidence for this. And it turns out she doesn't. She doesn't have any evidence, right? Like I think it would have come up by now if she actually did, presumably. Unless it comes out on the cruise. It could be something that she's saving for that.

Could be. Keep it again in her pocket. Yeah. But it's Heather is the one who is selling this piece of information now. for Angie. Yeah. I think Heather saw that Angie couldn't really sell it herself, couldn't really bring it into a reality herself,

that Meredith wasn't really ready to take the bait. Yeah. And now Heather's doing the work to sell it to the group. She's the one who's taking a walk with Meredith and saying like, like Meredith, you know Lisa. I know Lisa. This is the kind of thing she does. We know this is true, right?

We know that this is what Lisa does. And Heather's doing the work of making it seem like It's the reasonable perspective that Angie's bombshell is true. She's the one who's carrying that ball over the line. I want to get back to what you said about whether or not Angie actually has a receipt to back up what she's saying about Lisa. Because I do think it's a really interesting question. Because on one hand, yeah, it does make sense that it probably should have come out right. You know, by now we should have seen some proof.

But I think you have to remember that Lisa stormed out of the dinner in the last episode before Angie was able to get to the prop that she brang. And I kind of feel like if it were to come out that Angie might have been saving it for a moment that ties in with the gift, giving back the gifts. I feel like she might have been trying to build a big moment where she could reveal. this piece of evidence that she has plus the gifts. And since Lisa wasn't there for that big reveal, she kept that in her pocket. She brought the props out and she just kept the evidence in her pocket and is using it to play it later. Maybe. No, I am not believing in a receipt anymore at this point. I do not think a receipt exists. I would be happy to see it. But at this point, I feel like the fact that we have Heather being like Colin Powell going to the United Nations and

providing like circumstantial evidence is like the the clear indication that there is no smoking gun. There is no there is no actual weapons of mass destruction that have been found here. And she and Heather has to use her rhetorical maneuvers to convince people that it's it's basically self-evidence without having any actual evidence. I think the fact that that Heather has to do this legwork. is kind of showing us that there is no real receipt. You know, I think we've got a disagreement here because I am team receipt. I think that there is a receipt.

I think it's going to be revealed. I'm still holding on to this idea that Angie is going to pull out a big moment and show the receipt. So let us know in the comments what you think. Tell us, do you think that Angie has a receipt to back up these claims against Lisa? All right. Yeah. Wait, and I'm curious what other people think about this. Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast.

I'm your host Craig Midwinter joined as always by Dylan Ferguson. Dylan. How is it going? Going great. Excited about the start of spooky season. Yeah. Yeah. Doing anything special for Halloween? No, nothing planned yet.

But maybe I'll throw a little gathering together last minute or something. Nice. Nice. Awesome. Well, we're going to dive into Real Housewives of Salt Lake City right now. Dylan, you want to give us a quick summer? about what happened on this episode? Yeah, so husbands suck, Mary stinks,

Bronwyn's a hardened criminal mastermind who stole the jewels from the Louvre. And basically, Angie and Heather are consolidating their anti-Lisa coalition in preparation for a super yacht excursion. What was your vibe from this episode? Did you like this episode or how are you? you feeling? It wasn't an all-time classic like the previous one was. I think that that episode five

right before it, that kind of self-contained garden party with the psychic was a classic. So this is, this is not on the same level. It's obviously a different animal. This is a lot of preparation for what's to come slash dealing with fallout from what came before. It definitely had fun with it, but it does feel like the kind of connective tissue. This feels more like the tendons and muscles rather than the meat and bones. Yeah, totally. Obviously, the episode five is, I think, going to go down as a classic in Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Like, it just the fact that it all takes place in one dinner and it was such a high impact episode.

It's hard to kind of follow that, especially when there's a lot of work to be done. There's a lot of groundwork that needs to be laid for what is coming next, which is this trip. And there's a lot of like we need to follow up on everything that happened at the dinner and, you know, forward storylines. And so this episode is like a workhorse episode. And for that type of episode, this was actually really good. Obviously, it's not going to generate the buzz and the excitement that you see online after an episode like episode five. But when you dive into all of these individual scenes and everything that's going on, I think that there's a lot here. that is worthwhile and like worth diving into. If you had to take like one word to describe this, what would it be?

Damn, you know, I didn't think about that. What's one word that describes this? I would, I use the word like consolidating to describe what I think Angie and Heather are doing, which I think takes up most of the episode. So I would use that like consolidation. Like I think this is a lot of them gathering forces, making sure that they have people on their side that they're not losing allies. So I feel like that that's what a lot of this episode's runtime is taken up with is consolidation.

Yeah, that's a good choice. I think you're right. There's a lot of strategy that is happening here amongst Heather and Angie. For me, the word was accountability. I think like the emotional arc of this episode has a lot of discussions about accountability, people taking accountability, people not taking accountability. And so that is really what stood out to me as like the theme of this episode. Were there any any other like themes that stood out to you?

I'm kind of interested to hear you explain that a little bit more actually. Like about the accountability. Yeah, totally. So the opening scene that we get between Angie and Heather, you know, it's painted in like all white. It's almost like blown out and dream like one of the things that we are left with towards the end of that face time call that they have is Heather in a confessional saying that she's glad that Angie is taking accountability. And she talks about how she believes that Lisa has it within her in order to take accountability for her behavior. But she has never seen her her do that. and we get Heather on a mission later with when she goes shopping with Lisa trying to pull that out of her.

And Lisa is just completely refusing to take any sort of accountability for what she has done. And, you know, Mary's, our Angie's story, like taking accountability for herself comes to a head with Mary later where she does take accountability for having, like, she could have handled. that better. I think that her story is really an interesting one in that, you know, she is trying to show that she really values her friendship with Mary. She is saying how she could have handled things better and making a seemingly heartfelt apology. And then I think another thing that kind of lends itself towards the theme of accountability is the scene that we get between Brittany and her daughter, which is like a very emotional scene and Olivia, her daughter is really trying to hold Brittany accountable for her behavior and she just has a really hard time. She's trying to, she's trying to say a lot and like excuse a lot and

try to mend things, but it's all excuses. She's not really taking accountability for her behavior at all. She's just saying, I want to move forward, but she's not really taking accountability for the, her past mistakes, you know, whether they are, whether they're fresh, like the first time they tried to make amends and Olivia goes over and Brittany is just making out with Jared, which is such a choice. Or if it's like deep, deep within the past, she's just saying, you know, I want to, I want to get to know you again. I want to move forward. And Olivia is looking at like, I want you to figure out why you are choosing men over your relationship with me. Because I don't want to get hurt.

I don't want to get hurt again. She is looking for accountability. So I really just think that this is like strong thematically. Yeah. Yeah. No, I can definitely see that. I definitely, when you brought up that word, accountability, I definitely thought right away of, of Brittany's scene with Olivia, which was,

which was fun to me partially because I didn't expect Olivia to be. like so articulate and have like so much um strength and screen presence really which i thought that like totally backfired on brittany for that reason because this was kind of like brittany's moment to have like an actual proper development scene that doesn't involve her boyfriend and just kind of gets hijacked by her daughter like making her case much more strongly than than brittany does and uh totally and that was really uh really uh really uh entertaining to me. She did great a love yeah. Like she was, she was very clear. Give her

a snowflake. Yeah, she deserves to be on this cast more than Brittany, in my opinion. Like she was, she was fantastic and you know, she had a very clear understanding of where her pain comes from and

not letting her mom off the hook. Like she does a much better job handling her mother than the main comparison that I, it brought to mind for me was Bronwyn and her mother who she seems to let walk all over her and Olivia has this like really strong way of navigating her relationship with Brittany so I yeah I I loved what what Olivia was doing this was my favorite scene here there's I think there's a lot of really good scenes and

isolation within this this episode but I think that this is my favorite scene I really love how the core of this issue is outlined right out of the gate. When Olivia comes and sits down and Brittany is trying to break the ice by telling her this story about getting a steamer for her daughter and her throwing a tantrum or whatever, just like the fact that this inside joke that Brittany is trying to have with her daughter is from when she's like four years old and like super old, like so much so that she doesn't even remember it, really emphasize how disconnected these two are. Yeah, that was such a great transition where pretty immediately tries to strike a tone of

like nostalgia of like remember when you're a little kid. And then you're upset because you say you wanted a coffee and everybody was like, oh my God, is this woman giving your daughter coffees? Do you remember that? And Olivia's like, no, I don't remember that because I was four. Do you remember when you came over the last time and you were just making it with Jared the whole time instead of talking to me? Just takes the wheel. Like just completely.

It's like, no, I'm going to take control of this conversation now. Totally. And yeah, nostalgia is such a tool that Brittany tries to invoke here because she does it later. Like, you're my precious little baby. And Olivia just immediately counters with who you know nothing about. Like it was just such a commanding performance. And, you know, Brittany couldn't even get a win. here when like it seems like everything is is set up for her to like develop like you said develop as a

character and she just she can't do it yeah uh what other scenes stood out to you within this episode well i definitely liked the angie and mary burying the hatchet scene just because i didn't expect it to be so comedic like uh it it ends kind of how you would expect with them like getting a little choked up in professing their undying friendship to each other and how they need each other, et cetera, whatever. But I didn't expect it first to start off with the kind of comedy routine of Angie being like overly ingratiating and being like, oh, I bought you the drink you like. Oh, sorry. And oh, it has sugar in it. And then being like, oh, here's more food. Here's a platter of meat. Here's olives. And Mary just being really off put by how ingratiating she is.

But then, of course, when we find out that Mary's been stewing about the fact that, Angie who talked about her farting in her presence. And that's like, Angie was just, it's just taken off guard. Just had no idea that Mary's just been like had this going, been going over this in her head like ever since. Like it's just, that was just a really, really funny bit to be. Also, I feel like Mary probably feels pretty humiliated watching the episode when she realizes that the show had no intention of using that footage of them talking about Mary farting

until Mary brought it up in the conversation and then they had no choice. about to run the footage of them talking about Mary farting. And we also got like just like a classic blame it on the dog moment. Yeah, exactly. So classic. Yeah. Another scene that really stood out to me was the scene that we get between Bronwyn and Todd. Like the fact that this is also a scene.

Yeah. This is also a scene though that opens up with a moment that is like illustrating the poor of the issue that they have where Bronwyn is like talking about how she really loves the Marasino cherry on the ice cream. Yeah. How she she saves it for later and how she doesn't like it when Todd takes it. And 30 seconds later, he takes it because he's not listening to her. And then we get an entire scene of him not listening to her and just like nodding.

And like, like, Bronwyn seems like a woman in free fall here. Like she is like looking for someone to form some sort of relationship with and someone to hear what she is saying because Todd isn't and Muzzy isn't. And so I can I can really understand why, you know, she wants to forge relationships with the people within this group. Yeah. Because no one else is hearing what she has to say. No, that's a great point. It shows why the stakes are higher for her that, you know, she's still pretty new in this group. but the stakes are higher in terms of needing somebody to talk to you because she clearly has nobody to talk to in her life because Jesus Christ, Todd is just like, the more you see of Todd, the more insufferable it is to just have him on screen.

Like just the way you just like kind of stand, even earlier in that scene, the way he just kind of stands off in the back. And she's like, oh, what are we going to have at the ice cream shop? And he's like, yeah, I looked at the venue. I know what there is. Yeah. And instead of like going forward to order, he just kind of sulks in a quarter. so waiting for her to order for him. And it's like, yeah, I want raspberry cookie swirl.

Everything about him is just like, what the hell that? Have you never made an effort ever in your life for like any reason? I was thinking like, I don't think I've ever seen this man smile. And then, but then we do get him smiled. The only time he smiles is when Bronwyn starts getting upset and is saying like, oh, I'm getting very upset right now. And then he gives like a kind of like, oh, you think you have reason to be upset, kind of malicious grin.

Like, this guy is just the worst person, Jesus Christ. Yeah, unbelievable. Speaking of the tense kind of spousal relationship, that scene is followed up by the scene that we get from Lisa and John. What was you to read on that? Yeah, I mean, they do kind of rhyme with each other. Obviously, John makes much more of an effort. He really does try to engage with,

what Lisa's saying. So, like, he's, he's not on Todd's level in terms of just being an uncommunicative lump, just, like, refusing to interact with their conversation. He still doesn't make enough of an effort, though. Like, he's still, it's, I thought it was kind of a telling you moment when, when he's like, Lisa's trying to explain what's wrong with their, their communication. And, uh, and John says, like, so is that a me thing or is that a you thing? And Lisa says, no, it's a thing. I, uh, it, it feels like it, it, it feels like it, it, it sec with her, but I thought that was like a good, a good moment from Lisa to be like, like, maybe don't just frame it in terms of it's my fault or it's your fault.

And instead of let's look at this as this is the way the situation is. This is the way the communication is. And let's just like treat that as the situation as it exists instead of being focused on whose fault it is. Then he doubles back on that when she's like, she's talking about what she needs from him or whatever. And, and he's like, oh, but, but, you know, it's never your fault and it's always my fault or something. He will not shake free of that framing of like, who's being blamed, whose fault is it.

But he's the one who's clinging to that framing. At least in that conversation, the words that we get on screen are not like Lisa being like everything's your fault. It's John being like, oh, everything has to be my fault because you're implying it is all the time. So I do think that his communication is also not fantastic in that scene. Yeah, true. And it does go both ways. Because that scene, it starts when Lisa brings up that they've got communication issues that came up with the psychic. He starts talking and immediately she talks over him. Yeah. Like we see that he starts, you know, addressing what she is saying and she just jumps right on top and starts like talking more.

But yeah, totally, totally agree. Yeah. Also, we're saying like, you have to treat me like I'm made of glass is not necessarily the best advice to give your partner, I don't think. Were there any shots or sequences within this that really stand out from an editing perspective? Well, one thing that we haven't gotten around to yet is Heather talking to Lisa at the clothing store. And I did like that scene a lot, both because I liked the way that Heather handled the conversation and really successfully, I would argue, framed it as, like a kind of, I'm the, I'm the one being reasonable here, which is her specialty, what she's always trying to do. She's always trying to project that I'm the reasonable one, even if she is

working out an agenda in it. But also just, I thought the dynamism in that scene was really good. I like that the way that they're walking through the aisles, that we have constant cuts of the sales associate looking at them to remind us that we're in like a public space. Yeah. They're in this clothing star where all the clothing looks like the same kind of clothing they wear like it really feels very much like they're in their identity they're very much in their world they're they're in the space where they dress up as themselves and as people who are part of the social milieu and stuff so that kind of sense of of their world being very very present and being very much in it and observed by it while they observe it but also being pretty kinetic

like moving up and down the aisles having to to getting animated but but being afraid to raise their voice too much. Like a lot of like hand gestures to capture the other person's attention. Like I thought there was a good sense of like space and reality and like of that that universe that they live in happening in that scene. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I completely agree. Were there any themes or other devices that you wanted to talk about before we get into

the strategy? Yeah. Just following up on that, I think the idea of identity continues to be sort of an I know that's very general, but that, and that I guess kind of links into your idea of accountability. Like, that idea of being responsible for who you are feels like a theme that continues to develop throughout the season, as vague though that is. But I really felt that in that scene where they are in their clothing store, where they have the classic, like, kind of dusty, tanny, like peach tones, light grays, a lot of cotton stuff that,

all the shit that they wear, just being surrounded. Like, they're in their own wardrobe, where they're in their own world. that felt like it really rhymed with the idea of like everybody's working on their identity and how they are seen by other people. Yeah, I love that. So one of the things that we get at the tail end of this that is setting up for the next episode is the accusation that the, that Lisa is conducting some press warfare. Do you think that Lisa's responsible for putting, leaking this into the press, these allegations about Bronwyn?

the timing would suggest so and um you would it would make sense that she would want to do something at that juncture so i mean i don't know but um it it seems to check out and this i think um hether has certainly successfully set the stage for everybody assuming that that's what it's going to be because um she has successfully disseminated this idea from a less worked up more reasonable standing standpoint that this is the kind of thing lisa's been doing for years and has to be held accountable for that for digging up dirt on people that that's like part of that's what she does that's part of how she interacts uh in this world so um within context i think we're definitely primed to believe that lisa did that so why the hell not yeah sure i believe

it yeah i i mean i i believe it too i think there's an outside chance that this is someone trying to frame lisa like potentially heather leaking this to the press and disseminating like Interesting. See, classic, classic Lisa, but that's like, take off the Jay's cap, put the tinfoil cap on.

I would, I would love it if it turned out that that was the case. But it seems like all signs point to Lisa. Yeah. I mean, yeah, she's got to do something. So that definitely checks out,

I think. How about quotes? Do you have a quote that sit out to you? Meredith had a good Meredithy quote when she comes out of the car and is like, this whole driving car thing has really evolved in recent years. I like it. Yeah, that's great. I also loved Meredith's story about how it's been a rough 24 hours for her,

like getting a tiny, like, chip on her tooth and then stubbing, subbing her toe in the shower. Just like such a chaotic, almost cartoonish energy. It's like five minutes span. But I think for me, the main quote that stood out was the, we discussed this already, but when Brittany says, you're my precious baby and Olivia immediately says that you know nothing about, I just love how that cut through the core of their issues. And I really hope that we see more of Olivia and Brittany and this relationship, because I think

it's very, um, it seems very raw and earnest and, um, yeah, I just love to watch it. Okay, let's, let's dive into the strategy here. Um, who, who are your biggest gainers and who are your biggest losers? Um, I think Angie is definitely a gainer for sure. Like, I, I, I actually believe Mary when she says that she went into that meet up with Angie not expecting to forgive her. Like, Maybe that's just like her playing for the cameras. But I kind of believe that that she like meant to confront Angie and didn't actually expect them to be like hugging it out at the end. So it definitely felt like one of the most significant losses to Angie's position in the

previous episode when Mary got unexpectedly worked up at her and kind of and said, I'm done with you and stormed off and stuff. So the fact that Angie was immediately able to reconnect with Mary, despite her initial awkwardness, despite the fart gate, was, is a big win for Angie. Like she, uh, somebody who seemed to be a huge loss to her coalition was kind of immediately pulled back into the fold. So that's a big win for her. Heather going out and doing a lot of the work for Angie is also a big win for Angie, right?

Like when Angie dropped her bombshell, um, that, uh, that Lisa was apparently encouraging her to dig up dirt on Meredith. You know, we'd said at that moment that she better have some piece of evidence for this. And it turns out she doesn't. She doesn't have any evidence, right? Like I think it would have come up by now if she actually did, presumably. Unless it comes out on the cruise. It could be something that she's saving for that.

Could be. Keep it again in her pocket, yeah. But it's Heather is the one who is selling this piece of information now for Angie. Yeah. I think Heather saw that Angie couldn't really sell it herself, couldn't really bring it into a reality herself, that Meredith wasn't really ready to take the bait. And now Heather's doing the work to sell it to the group. She's the one who's taking a walk with Meredith and saying like, like Meredith, you know Lisa. I know Lisa. This is the kind of thing she does. We know this is true, right? We know that this is what Lisa does. like, and Heather's doing the work of making it seem like it's the reasonable perspective that Angie's bombshell is true. She's the one who's carrying that ball over the line. So I think Heather's doing the most work and that's saving Angie's position because she was in a vulnerable position.

And the combination of bringing back Mary and Heather selling her bombshell is putting her in a much stronger position. Yeah, I completely agree. I think Heather is doing the most work here. I want to get back to what you said about whether or not Angie actually has a receipt to back up what she's saying about Lisa. Because I do think it's a really interesting question. Because on one hand, yeah, it does make sense that it probably should have come out right. You know, by now we should have seen some proof. But I think you have to remember that Lisa,

stormed out of the dinner in the last episode before Angie was able to get to the prop that she bring. And I kind of feel like if it were to come out that Angie might have been saving it for a moment that ties in with the gift, giving back the gifts. I feel like she might have been trying to build a big moment where she could reveal this piece of evidence that she has, plus the gifts. And since Lisa wasn't there for that big reveal, she kept that in her pocket. She brought the props out and she just kept the evidence in her pocket and is using it to play it later.

That's the only kind of case that I can see for why it hasn't come out yet and why it could come out later at this on the cruise or the charter. I think I agree that Angie is the biggest biggest gainer here. Like you said, the fact that she's able to pull Mary back in. Mary is not like, Mary's not a big piece of artillery in terms of a fight against Lisa. Like she's not, she disengages from any kind of like warfare. But I think it illustrates Angie's social position really well and what she's good at in terms of like forming meaningful bonds. having the charisma to understand how to navigate situations. I think the work that she put in with Heather at the beginning of this was also illustrative of that,

the way that she's able to manage that relationship. And yeah, like you mentioned, Heather is doing the most work here. So the fact that she's able to help sell this on behalf of Angie to Meredith is really great for Angie specifically. Lisa, I think, is losing here for sure. The fact that it seems like Heather is now fully on Angie's side. And I think the one thing that maybe Heather did not play completely skillfully is she had to show that to Lisa during this shopping, the shopping scene. Like she kind of showed her hand that, no, I am with, I'm standing with Angie on this specific. specifically.

But yeah, I think I think Lisa is the biggest loser. Yeah, but I think I did a good job of trying to make it appear to Lisa that she was, that her siding with Angie is just a consequence of her being even-handed, you know? Like every time Lisa would say something like, oh, Angie's being messy. It should be like, oh, and you're not. But she was always trying to frame it of, oh, you're both doing the same things. You know, that's the classic Heather Rhetorical maneuver. And also it was interesting in the terms in the way that Heather was really trying to convince Lisa that like that she has to be like more reasonable.

Like she's always kind of being like, oh, you know, we're in this this public space. You know, I'm going to talk to you insistently, but we're going to do it with lowered voices because we're, I'm telling you about like how things look about how things are in the social situation, you know. And I thought she was able to deliver that in a way where it felt like I'm giving you advice for your own good. Like I'm showing you how things lie. I'm telling you the way things look. I'm giving you advice. I'm not digging into you. I'm not attacking you.

I'm presenting this all in the context of this is how things appear. And you should be advised of that and you should act accordingly. You know, that's a really great point that I hadn't considered. Just how Heather is able to actually leverage the. environment that they are in in order to illustrate the point that, you know, Lisa is being emotional and reactive and she's able to kind of use the baseline of being in a public space and Lisa not being able to control herself as a way to be like, look, you are out of line without actually like saying that, that she is able to actually leverage the kind

of the social conventions of going out and shopping to show. Lisa that she is maybe out of line here. Yeah. And that's Heather's Superpower. She's the one who's the best at being. Like, I am hyper aware and vigilant of the social fabric. And as such, I am best positioned to tell everybody what is reasonable and not reasonable. She positions herself in such a way that she can always deliver her points in a way that feels framed by that.

Yeah, totally. Do you think that Meredith is swayed by? Heather in the scene that we get with them? Yeah, maybe a bit more than she was before. I don't think she doesn't seem to be ready to go gloves off and attack Lisa. But I think Heather probably nudged her into taking the allegations more seriously than she was before. I suspect. Do you think that Meredith can actually be convinced to go head to head with Lisa,

given kind of the current layout of things? Um, she's not going to do it on her own. She's going to have to be pushed into that arena, I think. I think she's, she's already shown that she's not willing to do that. She has no axe to grind. She has no real interest in fighting right now. Um, but I think if, um, if she gets sucked into an argument, she's maybe more likely to come down against Lisa than on her side than she was a couple

episodes earlier. Like, what, what do you think it would take to get her over the line here? It would take Lisa raising her voice at her. I think. I think she needs Lisa to do something against her before she backlashes against Lisa. That's what I feel. Yeah. I feel like I think it's either going to be Angie has a very good convincing receipt or, yeah, Lisa raising her voice at Meredith.

And I don't see a situation where Meredith is going to put herself in a position that Lisa is going to raise her voice. So I think it's a matter of Angie having a receipt and being in. able to deliver it in a sensitive enough way that brings Meredith on board. Because I think that there's ways that she could deliver this to Meredith that would maybe even push her more on Lisa's side. And by being on Lisa's side, I just mean against Angie. Like, I think that there's ways that she could push Meredith away by delivering this in a maybe insensitive way.

But yeah, I'm eager to see what happens here. because it seems so unresolved. This allegation seems so unresolved here, and I feel like it's not going to fizzle out, but maybe. No, I am not believing in a receipt anymore at this point. I do not think a receipt exists. I would be happy to see it, but at this point,

I feel like the fact that we have Heather being like Colin Powell going to the United Nations and providing like circumstantial evidence is like the, the clear indication that there is no smoking gun. There is no actual weapons of mass destruction that have been found here. And she and, and Heather has to use her rhetorical maneuvers to convince people that it's, it's basically self-evidence with, without having any actual evidence. I think the fact that that Heather has to do this legwork is kind of showing us that there is no real receipt.

You know, I think we've got a disagreement here because I am team receipt. I think that there is a receipt. I think it's going to be revealed. I'm still holding on to this idea that Angie is going to pull out a big moment and show the receipt. So let us know in the comments what you think. Tell us, do you think that Angie has a receipt to back up these claims against Lisa? All right. Yeah.

Wait. And I'm curious what other people think about this. Okay. Let's talk highlights. Any other highlights that we haven't gone over? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like we've pretty much covered all the scenes, haven't we?

I think we've talked about a lot of the, the, the scenes. Yeah. Can I just say one more thing in the context of Todd sucks that we still haven't got to? Yeah, go off. The only time that he like shows the slightest bit of like willingness to bend or show remorse at the very end of the conversation with Bronwyn, the first one, I should say, at the ice cream parlor. They do have him say, I'm sorry, but the I'm sorry is not at all synced up with his lips. He says like six whole other words.

And I'm sorry. and even the editors had to fudge it to make him say like the slightest thing that shows him in the most the most faded of positive lights I wouldn't

piss on Todd if his head was on fire yeah we haven't actually talked about the scene at the end between Bronwyn and Todd the post allegations and it is an interesting visual contrast that we get between this scene and the scene that's earlier because the first scene is very like brightly lit.

They're in this ice cream parlor. The aesthetic of it is very like bright and it's a very heavy scene. And we see how how far apart Bronwyn and Todd are in terms of their connection. And then the scene at the end between them is a very like dark scene. It's very like dimly lit. They're in some like prohibition speak easy. Maybe it's just Bronwyn's dress that makes me think that. But that scene is.

is maybe the closest that we've actually seen Todd and Bronwyn as being in a united front because they're kind of brought together by having these allegations that they have to navigate. And even at their closest, Todd still comes across as an asshole and being very disconnected from Bronwyn. But it is the closest that we've seen. So it's interesting that we have that visual contrast as well as the tonal contrast. I also like the idea that they're in this kind of swanky, speak easy. And Todd, of course, is just drinking like a diet Coke presumably with extra splendor added to it. I get that that's normal and you die will not get over like grown ass adults drinking soda pop with like extra sugar and shit added to it. That's just, it's just so weird to me.

Okay. Who are your, your stars here? All right. I got to go number one with Heather. This was a big Heather episode. She was doing all the classic Heather stuff. And I love her for it. That's good stuff. Good work by Heather. She's doing what Angie couldn't do alone. And she's doing it in a way than only she can.

Second star, I got to give it to Olivia. I think this was such a great showing from the moment she shows up and she's like towering over her mom. She's much bigger than her mother is. It feels like something's unbound. the dynamic is not exactly what you'd expect. And then, of course, we get that, we get that play out of the conversation. Very articulate, very clear, very staying on point without seeming too mean, because it could come off as being just too mean.

Maybe skirts that line. Maybe skirts that line. You don't want to be too mean to your own mother. But, you know, she's, she's young enough that you're kind of allowed to. You're allowed to be mean to your parents of that age. And Brittany probably deserves it. So I just thought she did a good job stating her case. Yeah.

to be fair, like, the fact that she comes over trying to patch things up with her mom and her mom just goes and makes out with her boyfriend the entire time is like, yeah, I think it's justified. Yeah, yeah. No, that's why she's my second star. She had a great episode. Let's give a third star. She's our precious baby too. Yeah. Might as well give Angie a third star because, uh,

It worked out well for her. And she was, she was both funny and convincing in her, her one big scene, which was the, the makeup session with, with Mary. Yeah,

those are, those are great stars. I think that my number one is going to be Heather as well. She was doing the most work. I think that she is, I love seeing her active like this and it's really engaging. I think you made a great case for Olivia as number two. I'll put her at number three and I'll give my number two to Angie because I am liking seeing Angie take accountability and like we are seeing what makes her so great from a social aspect, the way that she is able to smooth things over and still kind of maintain or reclaim the position that she had lost in the last episode.

So number three will go to Olivia, which knocks out who I had as number three, which was the Don 2003 Don Perryon. Shout out to that. Yeah. One person that we haven't mentioned all episode is Whitney. And like we did not. Yeah, she was barely in it. And I think that that tracks for an episode about accountability because for all that Whitney has been doing for reframing this narrative around her failing business and the scandals around running a multi-level

marketing scheme, she is not taking accountability. She's doing slight of hand in order to change the narrative. And we've been giving her props for that. But I think it would be mistaken to say that she's taking accountability for anything. I just wanted to get that little jab in because I don't often get jab, take jabs at Whitney, but thought I would take one today. She does also seem to be the one most eager to pick up on the allegations against Bronwyn. And that obviously we'll see how that plays out. It was an end of episode bombshell. But she was the one who we see given soundbites like,

ooh, I try to avoid hanging out with criminals, but guess I made a mistake. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how she uses this information. Like the fact that she was the one to bring it to life on screen is like she is doing something there. So I think that she will use this against Lisa if she has to. But right now it seems like her main strategy is to stay out of the line of fire because she's trying to get away with something. She's got caught with her hand in the cookie jar. All right. Well, that about does it for this week.

Please do us a favor. Leave us a comment. Let us know what you expect to happen on this trip. Do you think that Bronwyn is going to go on this trip? That was a question that was left unanswered at the end of this episode. I'm curious what you, the audience has to say, whether she's going to show up or not. Be sure to like and subscribe on your platform of choice. Dylan, want to let people know where they can find you?

Yeah, I like to plug my horror movie podcast at this time of year. It hasn't been active for a couple years, but there's a lot of back episodes. It's called Mind Over Splatter. So look that up where you get podcasts if you want to maybe dig through the archives and find some recommendations of horror movies. Also on my substack where I write just under my name, Dylan Ferguson. Hopefully by the time this episode comes out, I'm going to have a little bit of horror content on there too. I think of doing something different for the Halloween season. I'm working on an article, which is five less seen American horror movies from the 1970s that I personally think are masterpieces.

So trying to help you guys out if you're looking for some recommendations of horror gems to watch during spooky season. Awesome. Yeah. And on the subject of horror, our guests from last week, David Arnold has a horror podcast called Fear Coded, which is definitely worth checking out. We were just going back and forth with him. And I think that this week they are going to maybe do some housewife taglines for villains that will air. And we'll do some of our own next week on our Halloween. episode. I'm Craig Midwinter. You can find me manning our Instagram or TikTok at Bravo Outsider.

Until next week, keep on wiping.