Oscars Outsider - House of Leaves w/ Nat from Stoned n' Social (RHOSLC S04E08, RHOBH S13E02)

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

Dive into the heart of the Bravo universe with the Bravo Outsider Podcast! Hosts Craig Midwinter and Sandy Klowak are joined by the insightful Nat from the Stoned N' Social Potcast for an episode that dissects the fabric of the latest Real Housewives drama with precision and wit. We're peeling back the layers on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) and the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH), offering up a dish of analysis seasoned with a sprinkle of fun. 📺 In This Episode: Our expert panel tackles the nuanced family relations and religious undercurrents of RHOSLC, putting a spotlight on Lisa Barlow, Heather Gay, Meredith Marks, Whitney Rose, and newcomers Monica Garcia and Angie Katsanevas, not forgetting the intriguing Mary Cosby. We delve into Lisa's interactions with her son, Jack, and the peculiarities of the Mormon lifestyle as depicted in the show. Shifting to RHOBH, we critique the recent episodes featuring Kyle Richards, Erika Girardi, Dorit Kemsley, Garcelle Beauvais, Crystal Kung Minkoff, Sutton Stracke, and newcomer Annemarie Wiley, revealing how their stories measure up to the enthralling narratives of Salt Lake City. Plus, don't miss our take on the RHOM premiere, where the glitz, glam, and drama promise a season full of surprises. 📖 Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 04:01 - Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Recap 37:55 - Real Housewives of Beverley Hills Recap 01:11:41 - Real Housewives of Miami Highlights 01:19:05- Outro 🍸Featured Housewives: RHOSLC: Lisa Barlow, Heather Gay, Meredith Marks, Whitney Rose, Monica Garcia, Angie Katsanevas, with Mary Cosby RHOBH: Kyle Richards, Erika Girardi, Dorit Kemsley, Garcelle Beauvais, Crystal Kung Minkoff, Sutton Stracke, Annemarie Wiley 📣 Stay Connected: Find Sandy Klowak on Instagram at ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/corporealcurios⁠⁠ Find Stoned n' Social on Instagram at ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/stonednsocial or wherever you listen to podcasts 📖 Credits Music by FASSounds from Pixabay

Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter. Dylan is out for the next little bit, but we're joined by Sandy Cloak. Sandy, how's it going? I'm happy to be here filling in. Yeah, glad to have you. We're also very pleased to be joined by Nat from the Stoned and Social Podcast. I'm ready for any challenge.

Like Mary Jane, I'm called cannabis, not can a can't. Very good We're really excited to have you on here Do you want to just let our listeners know What your podcast is about if they weren't able to guess from your tagline Sure, I am the main host of the podcast Stoned and Social And it is a podcast where we get stoned and we get social We cover a lot of things from comedy, culture, wellness

there's no topic that we won't touch much like munchies. Awesome. So going into this, I know you had said that you hadn't seen any of these shows, right? Have you watched much reality TV in general? So I haven't seen any of the Real Housewives series, even though one is filmed here in Washington, D.C. So I see them sometimes filming and I know about it. And I am very picky about the reality TV that I do watch. So I do watch some reality TV, but I haven't gotten into the Housewives series.

Oh, so it was, it's probably Potomac that you see around them? Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. So that just premiered this, this weekend, season eight, I think. One of my, one of my favorite franchises, actually, I think they have been like consistently delivering seasons that are well, above average for for um real house always like any one of the members of that cast would be like an all-star on any other franchise as far as i'm concerned interesting interesting i have not heard that

i know other people who watch it and a good friend of mine just um just she's on the bachelor the golden rose i think this year and so i can't wait to hear what she has to tell me about this oh yeah i I have not yet watched The Golden Bachelor, but I've heard nothing but, like, good things about it from people that, like, don't even, like, say that they don't watch reality TV. I've had it recommended. So I am, I am curious about it. Just there's so much, like, Bravo content on right now. It's very hard to, like, stay on top of it. Mm-hmm.

Awesome. So going into this, you had no experience with Real Housewives, but what? What was your kind of preconceived ideas of what these shows were? And did they did like what you see or what you saw? Did it align with that? So I've never seen a full episode, but I've seen clips and things like that over the years. And I remember when this series first, first premiered. And I think I was still in like my bad girls phase.

I was still watching that. Oh, yeah. So I expected a lot more drama than I saw in these episodes. And I think in the beginning. maybe they leaned a little heavier into the like over the top drama. So I didn't see as much drama as I was expecting to see. And just some of the conversations they had did not align with what I think they were going to be saying or talking about.

Yeah. So there was four new episodes of Real Housewives that aired this past week. That's a lot to ask of someone. So we said like choose any two. Which franchises did you watch? So I watched the Beverly Hills. and I just was too curious. I watched the Salt Lake City.

I was like, I can figure what Miami might be like, but I wanted to see Salt Lake City. Cool. And let's get right into highlights. So which of these did you find more interesting or compelling? I found the Salt Lake City one more interesting and compelling, and some of it was they seemed to be doing more activities.

I liked seeing the shots as well, the scenery, which kept me engrossed in the episode. but I really like the dynamic between the one family and her son, Jacks. I really liked seeing them interact, at least the dad. The dad was like just charmed me. I love the dad in this, her husband. And so I liked Salt Lake City better.

Oh, yeah. That was that one like standout scene where they're going through like his old like memory box from his past mission, which was really interesting. And that's one of the things that has consistently come up on our episodes is just how much texture, the weird relationship that everyone has with the church in Salt Lake City is. And just seeing this dynamic play out within the Barlow family is really interesting. Yeah, I agree. I was surprised to see that a show like this had made it to Salt Lake City. city. And so that's part of why I was curious. I wanted to see how they were going to navigate,

like I said, at least my preconceived notions of this over-the-top drama, decadent stuff within a community that's not known for that. So I was pleasantly surprised. Yeah. I think that like Lisa Barlow is someone that has like, she's an icon, a housewife icon. But I think that she is a very like memed housewife and uh this season i feel like she's giving a lot more uh depth like there's a lot more of that like personal um relationship with her son that is being explored and we're seeing just like what the uh because she has like she considers herself Mormon and so she like has a relationship with the church that is probably stronger than anyone else on the cast because the other people who are Mormon are like ex-Morman.

But she has like a her own kind of take on Mormonism, which is something that you really like get the sense that is an anomaly. Like everyone else, all the former Mormons that are on this show are very, they're very concerned about the rules of what it means to be a Mormon or what it means to not be a Mormon, whereas Lisa kind of picks and chooses, but still is like going to church and is a practicing Mormon. I think it's a really textured view that we get of Lisa Barlow as a person and a character. And I was reading that she converted to Mormonism in her youth. And so that was interesting for me to see because initially, at least, you know, during that really poignant scene that they were having where he was telling him, hey, this is what happened when I went away on my mission.

I was immediately like, why is she being so negative? She was like, you might meet people that you don't like, that you don't get along with. And his dad's giving him, you know, all of this, like, hopeful stuff. And so I was like, okay, she's kind of a half glass empty person. But I recognize it as maybe a parental defense mechanism, right? she wants to like prepare her son for whatever he might encounter. Yeah. And it seems like it's,

it is like this effort to like connect and be realistic and be like, hey, most other like moms within the faith are going to be like gung whole. Everything is like perfect. I'm glad that you're doing this mission. She's trying to like give this like dose of realism and form this like connection with, with Jack. But it's like it's not worth.

Like it's actually seems like it's pushing him further away and like disconnecting. And it's like, um, it's a real like kind of like flip on the kind of the values that you would expect between a like in a parental relationship on in this like cultural setting. Like it reminds me of, uh, was it, uh, family ties as the Michael J. Fox one. Yeah. Yeah. Where they kind of like flip the script and it was like, um, you know, they have. Michael J. Fox's character was like the conservative kid and the parents were the hippies.

Yeah. And it reminds me of that, like, that kind of dynamic. I like that. I like that way of looking at it. I was, for me at least, I, because I don't know any of these women or any of the people in the show, I went and did some research on them. And so I was immediately like, who the heck is this Heather gay person? Let me go look up Heather Gaye, because she's got a big person. personality for the show. And so I wanted to read a little bit more about her as well. Yeah,

what was your takeaway on her? Um, I, I definitely grew to like her a little bit more as the episode went on. And I know that she'd been in some other housewife episodes. And I believe her cousin is also, you know, part of the house, the housewives genre here. And so I didn't, I didn't, and dislike her as much as I initially thought when she came on. Because my initial reaction was like, oh, my gosh, this person. But she kind of grew on me. She kind of grew on me. Totally.

What other highlights did you have from this episode? I mean, for me, I wasn't particularly looking for any highlights. I know you guys mentioned that. And so I was just trying to take it all in. For me, like I said, the main highlight was I was really, impressed with how much family time there seemed to be in this episode. And this feels a little bit different than the Beverly Hills or maybe other seasons where it didn't seem so focused on the housewives. I was really interested in seeing how things played out with their partners.

I know some of them were divorced. And so for me, I was looking at more how these dynamics played out. And I wasn't expecting them to seem so normal in a lot of episodes, but in the Salt Lake City one particularly, I liked the sense of normality that I think at least the Beverly Hills one maybe didn't have as much of. Yeah, totally. Sandy, what were your highlights from Salt Lake City? Well, on the topic of Lisa, definitely agree, it's very interesting to watch. And how hurt she is that Jack did not tell them about this mission trip because it was so awkward at the party when she said raise your hand how many of you knew before we did like men you got to let it go if he oh but she just can't and that's sort of part of that not working thing like she's trying to make sort of light of it but it's like it's very clear that it's not a light thing for her and and her son is probably just going to keep rolling his eyes so anyway that's why he did it um Otherwise, we learned something new about Angie. Did you know she's Greek?

That is, if you happen to watch other episodes, we did know she's Greek, but we learned more about me. I get the feeling. And the cross-country skiing excursion, I found appalling as a cross-country skier, and I think it's doing harm to the cause of recruiting others to that hobby because they just, they weren't skiing in tracks, which makes a huge difference. They were just going up some little gross hill and down again. It was not, didn't look fun.

Those women are never going to do that again. And I'm sad because cross-country skiing is wonderful, a great way to exercise, a great way to enjoy winter, and they did not experience that. And it's kind of funny just because obviously they're always doing these little activities that are kind of silly and just to get

them somewhere. But this one was, I mean, I guess as someone who actually finally does one of the activities they do, I was like, well, it's just down. You, it was surprising, though, because like, I guess, I mean, cross-country skiing is very different from downhill skiing, but I feel like if you live in Utah, you would be comfortable on skis and some of those skills should translate a little bit. It's definitely like. Yeah. They looked uncomfortable.

You need a lesson. Oh, and then my other one was the Mary and Whitney lunch, which was just nuts. And full Mary, full Mary, she turned on a dime there. I don't even, I don't even understand what happened, but she basically came to get takeout and leave. And I loved it. Yeah, she arrived just to leave. Thank you. I was confused. I went to go get something to drink.

I came back and I was like, okay, this is on. Something happened. And so I rewined it. And I was like, what did I miss? Why is she so pissed right now? What did I miss? Is that like a normal thing for Mary to just flip like that? So she is a little antisocial, especially this season.

That's kind of been like something that she's really leaned into. like not participating in group activities just, you know, more so than usual. But her and Whitney probably have the like the tensest relationships of all the people that Mary interacts with. There's just like there's a history there of Mary just like flat out not liking her. So it's kind of a little bit of a perfect storm to get this lunch. It's more surprising to me that she showed up for the lunch at all. versus, you know, just like turning down the invite and waiting to deal with Whitney one-on-one. And I wonder if maybe she got there and was like intimidated by Whitney.

Like I don't know if I can actually take you one-on-one. Because usually there is a, it's not that Mary relies on a group to back her up. up, but she, she does this thing where she like recedes from the group as a defense mechanism. So like if you are wanting to engage with her after she's like kind of receded from the group, you also have to remove yourself from the group. And whatever dynamic you have that could be leveraged in a group environment is no longer available to you. And I think that kind of works for her to kind of maneuver through conflict.

And also she just like, she doesn't care what you think if she doesn't, if you don't like her. So, um, yeah. I think there was a line that they said, someone said, you know, I'm not your child, Mary and said, thank God you're not. And I was like, oh, like, oh, this is biting. Yeah. Craig, do you think like she, she often just doesn't come to events and she often, as you said, kind of leaves or just sits out, which is hilarious, but she just like sits in the vent. or whatever. How much do you think production is fine with that?

And how much do you think they sometimes might say you got to actually attend some filming? Like, what is your take on that? Yeah, I think, well, that's why she had to leave the show after season two. I feel like it was because she was just like all the scenes that we saw for the most part were her in like her huge closet. Yeah. like in her huge house and not like leaving. And I don't know if you've read House of Leaves. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe it's like,

you know, you get lost inside a house that big type situation. But yeah, no, she just like, I feel like she's doing the bare minimum. I think friend of works way better for her than than being a full blown housewife because she is reluctant to share a lot of like,

like personal information. She's very like cagey around her role within the church that she runs. And, um, you know, obviously there's question surrounding how much she actually knows about what's going on in her personal life because she didn't realize her son was married for a year. So, um, okay. Just what I think that like this is a very good amount of Mary. I think it's working really well for her. in the in season one and season two you uh as a housewife you're expected to carry a lot more of the show right

you need to give a lot more whereas this you can just be like kind of an accent note and luckily like season one and season two of real housewives was holy city is really good a lot of that has to do with just the power of jen shaw being this like enigmatic force this like you know short views than just being like having such gravitas. But so the seasons themselves didn't suffer, but it was clear that Mary wasn't giving nearly as much as anyone else on the cast. And so she had to go. And it is really great that she's coming back because,

you know, in retrospect, when you look back on the seasons that she was on, there's all these like super memorable moments of that Mary gave us. And like she did provide value to, the show, but she wasn't, it wasn't enough to carry a full story. Like, it wasn't enough to really give the, the audience something to bite on. So, like, it's just the perfect level of engagement for being a friend of. And I think she's definitely going to be back in a friend of capacity next season.

I'll be a little hesitant if it's anything more than that, because I think we're getting the right amount there. And it's like, um, it's just enough to really stir up some, like, like, some drama when she's she's there and people don't know how to deal with her. And she said something about like people needing to prove to her they have souls before she will associate with them. And I was like, okay, sometimes it seems like with these shows they might want to make multiple people the villain, but I definitely felt like Mary's kind of painted as a villain. And you mentioning the antisocialness, I think, is a big factor.

You know, if you were an introvert or you're doing this because you want to be with your quote-unquote friends, I can see having to be on all the time for this would not be something that would be your vibe. Yeah, totally. And especially, like, a lot of these people are obviously very, like, image conscious. and but I think for the most part if you are going to be a hostwife on these shows, you know that at some point you're probably going to end up getting a villain edit and being the villain. And it's just like these shows do such a good job of capturing the ebbz and flows of

like where you exist in all these stories that are both internal and external to you as a person. And you know, you're never going to be the hero, 100% of the time for the most part. And I think that most people understand even as much as they want to like curate their image that they are going to have to be the villain at some point. And I don't think that that

sits well with Mary because and this is something that you wouldn't have been able to pick up on from the context of just this one episode. But her and her husband are like heads of this like some sort of like Baptist church that is like Yeah, so she doesn't want to be seen as anything like less than godly, I think. Yes, yes, I get that feeling. So I used to work on a reality TV show, just, you know, on the back end of it.

I worked with the Real World series. And so I know a little bit about how this editing works. And they will absolutely be like, you know what? The people seem like they want more of this from you. and they will cut it like that. And so that doesn't always work out for people. I do love that Whitney was trying so hard to kiss up to Mary. And I was just inside like, no, Whitney, don't show any fear to Mary at all.

Like, don't show her fear. That's not how you're going to win her over. So it's just interesting to see how they all do know each other. And they are trying to at least, I think, sometimes come at things, come to the same thing, but from very different viewpoints. And watching that play out in real time is what is the most entertaining thing about this for the viewers, I think. Yeah, for sure. And also, like, it's really interesting to watch Whitney work this season. Like when this scene came up, I was wondering, what is Whitney's motivation in, you know, getting together with with Mary here?

Because it's, it does seem like Whitney is trying to shuffle the deck a little bit and create a new kind of alliance or, I don't know. it's hard to tell at first when the season started i was like okay whitney is preparing for something she's trying to like shore up you know lisa and uh and and and monica and and kind of like get an alliance and i thought it was like to try to go against meredith and but now it's like i don't really know what she's trying to accomplish and maybe it is to just like see what she can get in terms of dirt or see what she can, um, what kind of drama she can create and use that as a catalyst for some sort of attack on either Heather or Meredith. I'm, I'm really confused, but it's really fun to watch. You mentioned Angie and I, every solo scene that Angie was in was so long

because she talks so slow. so, so slowly. And I was like, okay, what's, what's Angie's deal? What's the backstory on Angie a little bit? Yeah, so Angie was a friend of last season. And she had some sort of beef with Jen Shaw. I don't even remember what, what was, do you remember what Angie Kay's deal was? there was something about where she threw Jenna a party and they didn't like pay her back.

That was one part of it. I don't know if that was the beginning or the middle. They were friends and then she threw her a party. There was a miscommunication on if it was going to be like a gifted party or not. I don't know. So that's not. Right. Yeah.

And then there was like, I think Jen Shaw dumped a drink on her at some point and threw her shoes overboard. On that trip. Yeah. Like dumped a drink on her head and said, oh, it was just a joke. just having Fine Girls Trip. Yeah. Tea. I was really hoping for a,

you know, a drink in the face or on the head in some of these episodes, because that's what I've grown to know about these shows, is that the drama is over the top. Like, we even, someone gifted me some pictures, some hand-painted pictures for Christmas a couple years ago,

with the person yelling and pointing across the table and being like, no and where people were doing the cat meme. So I have that in our in our game room. But I hadn't watched that episode. People were just like, oh, you would love this because this meme is everything that these shows are about. Yeah. So Kyle Richards and Taylor Armstrong from Beverly Hills are the ones in that that meme.

And yeah, they do like have over the top explosive blowouts. but it's used sparingly or tastefully, I guess. They kind of save those moments for when they can have like a real impact and really like either drive a wedge in a relationship or really shock the viewers. I think that these, and maybe this is just me like overreading the strategy that these people have when they're operating here. But I feel like they, you know, pick and choose their like TV moments very carefully in order to leverage the kind of momentum that they'll get out of the fan base reacting to it.

And how they think that it might drive the edit surrounding that moment in their favor or, you know, or against them. There's like definitely housewives that like thrive in that bill and roll. and like having, you know, everyone be daggers out against them. But yeah, I think they do, like there is strategy for the most hard when they pick and choose those moments, unless they're just complete chaos queens. Some of it seemed like that, definitely. I want to know what happens in the next episode because Whitney just kind of, I loved when Whitney just drove right past Meredith's car in that snow bank.

And didn't stop at all. I was like, oh, oh, you're going to hear about this. You're going to hear about this. Yeah, this, uh, this, like car accident of Meredith is very much being played as like nothing serious. And she's so choked up about it. It's very funny. Uh, Sandy, did you have any other highlights from Salt Lake City? No, I think, I think that was it.

Cool. Yeah. I had a few more. So for one, just like the like the tailgating thing that they set up in the snowmobile after like snowmobiling at this like on the side of the highway or whatever was a very odd set up to me. Yes. Yes. But I I thought that the scene that between Angie and her father where she's kind of like talking about her relationship with Sean was very telling and he like he like he. he wasn't there and they hadn't gone on a date in two years and like you know all like altogether any of those like individual things are like you know whatever like shit shit happens but all of it at once and hurt like him coming in and being like sweaty and just like don't touch me or get near me I'm going to go up for for for a shower was like I I can see why there is like small

around this relationship. And just like Angie's like pained like, do you want some fruit at the end of this? Are you implying that there's fruit here? But yeah, no, I think that like you guys touched

on the fact that the parental relationships are really taking like a front seat on this season. I think the standout for me was the scene at the end between Monica and her mom.

There was just so much going on in there that was being both like said and unsaid and I want to know what you guys thought about this like where did it land with you emotionally?

That's a great question. I was surprised that they were being that revealing, honestly. honestly, because like he said, they're very image focused. And so I wasn't expecting it to be, it seemed kind of genuine. And so I was, I was surprised by that. I was surprised they were going to reveal those sort of things while they were having that talk. I thought maybe it would just get pushed off, but it didn't. Yeah, Monica is, what about you, Sandy? Does you say, yeah, Monica is a new housewife and she's sort of putting it all out there. That's kind of

her thing and this was a follow-up from the last episode where I guess as they mentioned at this Greek Easter, her mom was sort of apologizing for her and trying to shush her while she was fighting with Angie and she felt really betrayed by her mom and this stems from this obviously their relationship that's very fraught. I'm interested to see it. I think it does feel, I mean it feels it feels authentic but messed up like there's layers here like what are we seeing you know and that's like anything. It's not necessarily because it's on this show. We've also, I don't follow a ton, but the mom has been commenting on social media, I think,

and you might know more, but I think I heard her saying something like that Monica begged her to go on this show and then is like screwing her over on the show. So there's just so many layers here. It really is fascinating. And the mom seems like a very interesting character. What are her motivations for being on this show? she obviously, as you said, not like cares very much about her image, but it's kind of getting away from her or who knows.

I mean, there's so many ways this could kind of go. So it is fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. I assume there's a lot we're not hearing as well, like that we don't know. Like you said, the layers. I am sure there's so much at play before this show ever got started that they are still working out.

Yeah. I just like instinctively trust Monica. I feel like everything that we have seen from her has indicated that like she's either being very like transparent and laying things bare. She's a little like messy and I don't get the sense that she is like skilled enough to construct a, you know, this like false reality and like put that forward. She just doesn't seem like that's something that she's capable of socially. Just like even when it comes to how she interacted with like Lisa Barlow and this the ring earlier in the season and just like kind of like burning a bridge with Angie who was one of her closest friends for like seemingly no real good reason. I don't get a sense that she is. playing the type of chess that you would need to be playing in order to construct this elaborate of a manipulation.

But I do get the sense that her mom is very skilled in manipulation. She is pulling out so many tricks. We have, like, her recounted various stories where she is being extremely selfish and manipulative. And, like, yeah, she's turning on the waterworks. when ever she It's a fake crying. It's very fake. That is like when I say authentic, I mean like this woman is authentically manipulative

because that was clearly. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. And you see that that's what she's always dealing with with Monica's dealing with. It was hard to watch at times this, especially this because it's like a symbiotic mess between these two. I know some people are going to find this very, very entertaining. but I find this almost too hard to bear because you can see the toxicity between these two.

It's such a sad train wreck. And I hope that they work it out because, yeah, like you said, the mom is so manipulative. I was like, oh, don't trust anything out of her mouth. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was trying to think. Oh, sorry, that's what I was sort of mulling over two as I watch. I'm like, do I enjoy this or is it gone? Is it a bit too far down that road?

Yeah, I did like enjoy it, not as like, I'm so like living for the drama type thing. But I thought that it was just such a compelling scene between two characters that was so nuanced. And it really played into the core piece of reality TV that I love is just seeing. characters that are so deep that you can't possibly write them. Like obviously there are like reality TV is a constructed environment and there are like storylines that are constructed and fed by like editors and producers and but still at the core these are people that have their own like human motivations that inform the decisions that they're making within that framework.

and you see, you know, decades of history between people in some cases, especially in this case, drive the conversation and there's so much like subtext and it was just such a emotionally rich scene between two characters that were that were on the journey of just starting to get to know, but they have such a deep history with each other, which is something that we don't often see on these shows. Usually when we see a very, like, emotionally heavy scene like this, it'll be between cast members that have a lot of history from being on the show for, like, maybe decades at a time together.

But these are characters that were just learning about this season, and they've got such rich history together that we're, like, it's like being dropped right into the middle of a book and like trying to pick up on what is going on between these these characters and I I thought it was just so compelling. I liked it too because I'm coming at this from a different viewpoint. You know, I don't know the background for these characters and how their, you know, their arcs are playing out. And my degree is in, you know, human communication. and I love seeing how these people interact with each other because I think this is what draws people into reality shows, right? It gives us a chance to reflect on what we might do in a similar situation.

This can be a good exercise in value exploration for some people. And then we get to the basic question of self-interest versus self-sacrifice, which is a theme that runs through a lot of reality shows, as well as, you know, the bad behavior, the betrayal, competition. and things that are really familiar to us. And so we like to see other people in these situations because we're like, would I do that? Would I react like that? And we get into the cycle of wanting to root for,

like we said, our favorite show participant, whatever that is. It's usually when we're identifying something really compelling within them that we think is a part of us as well. Yeah, totally. Totally. Did you guys have any other final thoughts on Salt Lake City? No.

I don't think so. I think that Lisa is so horrified that he's going to Columbia and she's not sure how to process that. Because she went from, yay, going to Columbia to, oh, you might be held up at gunpoint. And so I just think she's having a hard time really settling into that. Yeah, yeah. She definitely like the delivery on her confessional line about her first. friend's like son being held up at gunpoint every week in Columbia was like almost like jovial. Like she was like saying it in this like excited way.

But there was like a hint of fear behind it. And it's really, really interesting to watch her navigate this situation. Yeah. Let's let's move on. You said you also watched Real Hostwives of Beverly Hills. What were your initial impressions on this show? Oh, I had so many more notes. So many more notes on this show.

My initial impression was that I have learned. Sunglasses are a superpower. You can say whatever you want, as long as you're wearing an oversized pair of sunglasses. That's what I've learned. It was, I didn't see this as much in Salt Lake City. and I'm going to akinness to using it kind of as a shield. I felt like things were more off the cuff in the Beverly Hills one.

They seemed more comfortable saying some mean things to each other, but they all did it with sunglasses on. And so it made me feel like they were like, I'm going to say these terrible things, but I don't want you to see my eyes while I'm doing it. We have seen Angie where some, some pretty big sunglasses in Salt Lake City. So maybe that explains a few things.

I'm very much liking this theory. What were your highlights here? There was a lot of talk of showmanship. And using that as an excuse for things, I heard one of, it might have been Dorrit, I can't remember, who said, you know, I was up there and I was expected to give them a show. And so that's what I was doing. This was part of the apology that they were giving. And it wasn't the only time someone mentioned showmanship in this series, which I didn't

hear anything of in Salt Lake, which was interesting to me. And I loved the flashbacks with their old pictures of seeing what they looked like before. They were real housewives. I love that touch. I feel like that wasn't in maybe the beginning of this series, but it definitely humanizes them even more when you see that. When you see them without all the makeup and the glamour and things like that. Yeah, totally. Sandy, what were your highlights here? It was really quick, but Sutton's sexy cat dress that she was bringing to Vegas was amazing.

Did you guys catch that? I would have liked you. I have a lot about that, too. I mean, maybe we'll see her. in it. I, but wow, that was awesome. Love it. We talked about her being, we, me and Craig really likes Sutton and she's a cat lady and she really is. Like, she's, okay. Hashtag goals for sure. So that's really cool. And my other, I guess, notable point was, so Doreed has this whole PTSD storyline because she got robbed. Admittedly, if true, because there are allegations that it might not be,

but she got her house got robbed at gunpoint like last season with her kids inside which legitimately terrifying but now she's had a relapse of PTSD because she put 10,000 dollars cash in her purse and then just set it down in a shopping cart and wandered around absentmindedly and then it was taken what a shock so I found that to be a little out of touch that she thought that was I mean I don't know what it's like in Beverly Hills and how people use cash but I would not be shocked if that happened to me and I mean like yeah so

that's gonna happen Christmas presents 10 K in cash what is she yeah like charge it charge that the thing is this is how I even know so when things make it out of

the real housewives like bubble of awareness because I work in media so I get dribbles of stuff I heard about that I heard about her being robbed I heard that there was no security cams. And so I just, it was lucky that I knew about that when I saw this episode and when she was talking about, you know, I was walking around the store and then I realized my purse was

gone. I was like, oh my God, this has to be this, like, you can't be this dumb. You can't be this absent mind it. And that lets you know the value of money for them. You know, maybe we would do that with $100, but they're like, ah, 10K in my, you know, no big deal. I mean, not no big deal. It's obviously a big deal, but. But it's not no big deal. She's, like, if it was no big deal, that's one thing we can make fun of her for her privilege, etc. But she's now saying this is PTSD. But I mean, like, anyone's going to get followed if they

see you doing that. Like, it's not about you to really. They're not going to. Like, it's just like, she's, it is a big deal. Not you specifically. You're a target. Yeah. When you're, when you go to an ATM and get out that much cash and then put it in your person, walk around. It doesn't take long for someone to figure that out. And at least when I used to live in Beverly Hills, you know everyone. People are going to know these people on the show. They're going to see them. And that in itself makes you a target.

And so you have to be even extra careful when you're out there, even if you are in Beverly Hills. Craig, you're playing Christmas presents. Sorry, if I might be on a lie, what is she actually buying in cash? I didn't even think of that part. Like, what is, what is happening? Yeah. This, like, this is money that was meant to disappear in some way. Maybe it did, like, actually legitimately get stolen.

Um, but $10,000 in cash for Christmas presents is not, that's not a thing. Like, why would you take out $10,000 in cash for Christmas presents? Like, yeah. it doesn't make any sense. I can't even like theorize a reason why you would take out that much money in cash, especially under the condition that it is for Christmas presents. Christmas presents, yes. That's what I was trying to understand.

I just couldn't wrap my head around the logic. And then at a moment, I was like, it just wasn't logical, Nat. Like, you just got to let it go. It was not a logical decision. And that's why it didn't turn out. And so I was a little surprised by that. I was like, there's no way you didn't think this through. But maybe she didn't think it's...

I think there is something sketchy going on with Dorit that we're only getting like weird glimpses of. I don't know why she is determined to bring it up on the show because it seems like something very shady is happening with their money. I wonder if they've got insurance. frauds or anything like that. Yeah, that's kind of what I am thinking, but it seems like very messy the way that that it's happening. But yeah, that's, I don't know,

I don't have any proof. Who am I? We don't have any proof. I mean, they don't either. Yes. Allegedly. The thing is, I wouldn't look it up. I was like, their house is worth 6.4

$7 million. Like it's, it's, and there are no cameras. And so this to me is what gives me the skepticism because I'm like, if that did happen, you would be on even more high alert than usual from then on. So yeah,

I don't, I don't know what's going on. I might check back in with you guys, um, in a couple months and see how that played out. Because I, I also got the feeling that something was very weird happening. Yeah.

And I mean, there's always been rumors. floating around about Pekh and Dorit and like having some weird like financial relations and debt and stuff like that. He's weird. So he's weird. Yeah. I I get a bit of a weird vibe from from him. Speaking of Dorit just quickly, what do you guys think of her like fashion in general? It's kind of basic. Yeah? She's the one who did the pretty woman thing, right? Yeah.

Bought her dress. Don't even get me started on that and then dance to top guns. Like, there was so much between those two. And I know that my husband's English. And so I do know who he is already. I do know that he's our rival team in the house. He used to own Tottenham. And so he has a lot of money.

Yeah. And they use it in such a weird way. I would have been so. if my husband was like, oh, let's do a pretty woman surprise thing. But it was just her anxiety that was getting the best of her. It wasn't the theme. It was the anxiety. That scene was incredible.

This whole like pretty woman thing and her just like first being like worked up about the kids, which I like, that's understandable. But then like getting worked up about the glam. At first I was like, oh, this is like, this is like, this is. like ridiculous but then like when she came out it was not a good look in my opinion i'm not like a fashion expert at all but i was like okay that like she does look kind of bad so i can see why she would be like upset about having what is like set up to be you know if you watch hallmark movies there's always like this like Cinderella moment and it was very much set up like that for her to

come down the stairs like that and just like looking like you know yeah uh sort of like Julia Roberts and pretty woman, but like pre the whole like glow up. They put the two pictures side by side, which I appreciate it. I was like, go ahead, Bravo, do that. They're like, just in case you are unsure

what it's meant to look like. But I definitely, I put in my notes here that I felt uncomfortable with that in the sense that I was like, I think we're peeking in on someone's like sexual fantasy. I don't think we're supposed to be here for this role play that P.K. is trying to do because he's like, I'm going to dress you up in this. I'm going to give you this necklace. And we're going to dance to this song from Top Gun.

It just seemed so. It was very particular for a surprise for her. Yeah. And very, like, uncomfortable, like, dressing her up specifically how he wanted, but not giving her the, like, the tools or the freedom. that she would want in order to like make herself feel good about it. Good, yeah. I mean, like he was, I guess, trying to do something fun, but it was really not thinking about her. It was like very evident from the planet. She specifically is very, very, they all are focused on their looks, but like she fashions her thing, it's her language, blah, blah, blah.

This is absolutely kind of like Lisa, when Lisa, So in Salt Lake City previously when she didn't want to have anyone, you know, she didn't want to dress up in drag. She just needed control over her looks. And Doreets very much like that. And you don't know that about your wife. And he's like, well, it was a surprise. But, I mean, you know what kind of surprise your partner's going to enjoy. So.

Yeah. Yeah. And that necklace was like a red that like clashed with the, is that, was that from the movie? Because that looked awful. That red necklace that clashed with the red dress. Like, wooey. She was very gracious, I feel actually, all things considered. Yeah, totally.

And like, when she was talking about like, I don't know, was it the like the toner or something that she. The bronzer. Yeah, by like Beverly Beach by Doreet that she didn't have. I'm like, oh, this is just her like wanting to plug her own thing. Then when she came out, I was like, oh, no, actually that like, that is like a valid thing. And I am not like the type of person that picks up on these things. I was like, okay, yeah, there's definitely something like very off, almost like uncanny valley about this look.

It's not, this is not a Dorit look. It's a Halloween costume that she would never choose. Yeah, exactly. There was one couple that kept calling each other Bubba a lot. I kept hearing like the Bubba all the times. And I was like, is this a nickname that they use with each other? Oh, who was that? I didn't pick up on that.

That's straight. And I think she calls him Bob. Is it them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're an odd pairing.

Just on the surface anyway. I don't know too much about them as individuals, but they seem really weird together. I googled and saw that they've only been married since 2015. I believe. And that's because they showed us, you know, all these over-the-top surprises that he likes to do for her, you know. And she does for him and they're landing helicopters on, you know, yachts and things. And so I'm curious what the longevity of these two are going to be. Well, it seems like they're having some troubles. Yeah. Yeah, that's the speculation online. Oh, okay. Okay. This is all clicking in now. They all seem like a pretty solid couple, though. Like, overall, I mean, I don't know.

I don't think I've overthought it. But they seem like a weird match, but a good one. And now this is sort of now they're bringing up in a storyline that they're having marital troubles. But it's not going to compete with Kyle and Maricio's marital troubles. Well, yeah. But that's another couple that seemed like so solid. And that's why it's such a shocker. Right?

Like, I don't know. maybe it's just me, but I, like, they are kind of like the last people that I would expect to be having issues of all like the Bravo couples, Kyle and Mo. But like not not the last people that I would expect to like pull a stunt like separation. So that's why I kind of lean towards maybe that's more what's going on. But yeah, no, I feel like Doreet and PKK, like you said, they, did seem fairly solid, but, you know, looking back on that, through the lens of pretty woman, it does seem like PK maybe has a tendency to be a little selfish, especially like when Dorit's talking about, you know, PK, really not spending that much time at home when she was

struggling from PTSD after this incident and just kind of being a little unavailable. So, yeah, I can see, like, maybe they are just, they've been good at kind of hiding things or I haven't been that good at, like, picking up on things. Well, I also know that his ex is an American presenter name Rachel Uchel, and she very much looks like a agglomation of Julia Roberts a little bit. People have said that to her before.

And so I found that interesting that he went with this pretty woman thing. Because, yeah, I was like, is this the first time he's doing this? She's mentioned before, his exes mentioned before just how much money he threw at her.

Kind of in a similar way from what I was seeing is just it's almost like he was treating her like a doll. Like, you know, I'm going to dress you up and put you in this situation. Like, I see him as a little bit selfish. You guys mentioned, like, he just kind of was like, I'm going to pick this for you and not even consult you or take her out and let her pick a red dress like a couple of months before and use it for a surprise.

But, yeah, they're interesting. I want to see what happens because I don't know them from anything. and they're the ones who I was like, okay, something's a little odd about their interactions. Oh, that's interesting, the note about P.K.'s X. And it's really adding some color to the Mystic Pizza Val Renewal that we'll be getting. It's another Julia Roberts movie, so maybe that's a... Sorry. Yeah. It's okay. It's okay.

What other highlights did you have, Matt? I was definitely surprised to see what I kept referring to colloquially as like the staff of each of these housewives. I didn't see it in Salt Lake City, but in the Beverly Hills one, all of them had like an assistant, a stylist, a makeup person. And I was like, okay, this is just their little entourage that, you know, helps them get ready for this show and just be. be presentable for it. You guys mentioned Sutton, and I think Sutton's hilarious. I kept being like, does Sutton know that she's on Real Housewives?

The matchmaker that is now helping her definitely is going to have their work cut out for them because I don't even think that it's that she's too picky. She's just an odd ball, right? She's just a goofball. And I don't think people really expect that from someone like her. And so they don't know how to act when I saw those flashbacks of her on her dates being like, my foot's itchy. I've got neuropathy and stuff. I'm like, you wouldn't expect that from someone like this.

And so I really hope that the matchmaker can pick up on that, that I think she's looking for someone who has a sense of humor, but isn't going to be intimidated that she is a real housewife. I know that she was like, we're not going to talk about wealth right now, but I want to see who they pick for these dates. Because she said, we're going to, I'm going to bring you three bachelors and you're going to pick which one you want to go out on date with. So I can't wait to see what they pick for her. Yeah, totally. And that flashback of her on that date was very endearing. I think, like, I've said that, you know, one of the things I love about reality TV is that you, you typically get like such a spectrum of human emotion and personality types on these shows.

But one thing that you don't often see is kind of like a nervous or anxious energy just because, you know, people that have those traits typically shy away from being in front of the camera, which is like understandable. But, you know, Sutton and like Jenna Lyons on Real Housewives of New York, they are in front of the camera and giving that and it is just like it really makes them characters that you want to root for there's like yeah this humility that come that they exude that you don't get to see um in other personalities that gravitate towards these roles totally yeah yeah i like that and i noticed that i think that's why sutton was probably my favorite of the beverly hills housewives

I have seen Garcel in so many, like, background acting roles. So I was like, whoa, I didn't know that Garcel was going to be on this show. And then, I don't know, I wasn't really a fan of Garcel. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I didn't like her reaction to her son when he was trying to have, like, a serious conversation with her. Yeah, she did kind of like, fumble that. I do like Garcel. I,

when she first, this is like her third season on, but when she first came on, I recognized her because I was a big fan of NYPD Blue and she was great, great on that. And her first season, I thought like she wasn't really giving a lot. It seemed very removed from the rest of the group. And then the next season,

and maybe this is her fourth season now, I don't know, but she like she has been giving a lot more and I've like liked her and her and Sutton I think have a really good dynamic between each other. I am curious as to how she feels and how she's going to talk about this season and her family on the reunion because I get the sense that she might be a little like caught off guard by how this is coming across in the edit because I agree it does seem like she is not really handling this as well as you might expect someone to I got that feeling too but like that is that is just the way that things are in in life and you like you know it's something that the reality TV cameras you know do a good job of like capturing that and you know it wasn't an

absolute like it wasn't absolutely the worst way um you can tell that we're seeing in this episode that she is um she's got regrets that seem to be like uh she has some regrets about how she has handled that conversation and the you know the situation leading up to it and um it's it's going to be something that i'm interested to see how it plays out through the rest of this season yeah i liked that too. I felt like that was a really real realization for her. I think she was being genuine when she was having a little cry saying, you know, she had reflected more on her reaction or her response to him. And I liked that. I liked that this show, you know, hopefully this isn't like a one-off, but I like that it didn't shy away from showing that vulnerability that she was expressing.

and it didn't feel exploited like some of the other things I've seen. And just showing that these people, you know, for all their flaws, they are capable of real growth and real change. And sometimes we are going to be privy to that, which is a treat. Yeah. And like as a parent, I relate to, like, I haven't had to deal with anything at the scale of what Garcell has. But, you know, kind of scaling that down to just like situations. where my kids are fighting and maybe I don't handle it as well as I like would have liked to in

retrospect. Like I can relate to that feeling of being like, oh, I wish I had done this better today or I wish I'd done that better today just as a parent. So that kind of like parental anxiety, I think, is something that you don't often see captured on television because it's really hard to state. in an honest way, I think. But yeah, no, that's, it is something that is like one of the elements that I think is really compelling about Garcel so far this season. And we're really early on in the season too.

Yeah, this was episode two that I watched, right? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I liked this. I mean, there was a little bit of drama in this episode, but I liked that this did. did not give me what I was expecting. We all think we're going to get the drama with these shows, because that's what causes those physiological arousals, which raises our heart rates and

stimulates the production of all these endorphins. It keeps us coming back to these shows. But there wasn't as much drama as I was prepared for, especially given it's Beverly Hills. I was like, oh, this one's going to be going to be so over the top. I want to see the next one where they go to Vegas. Yeah. Because I can tell Vegas is going to be a bit of a shit show. I cannot even tell. It looks like it's shaping up to be a banger of an episode.

The stinger that we got at the end, like, I am very curious as to what is setting Sutton off because like they kind of imply that it's like this implied act of oral sex on Erica from. the magic mic people that is setting setting her off which i don't imagine is what is actually causing her to be upset but didn't i think it's that like i heard some it was a kyle or someone saying like in that preview i couldn't be wrong but it's like are you mad they didn't choose you to go up because you're also wearing pants because they were talking about wearing pants i guess if you want to go on stage and i was just like i don't know so i don't know Sutton's whole history, but in this episode, she mentioned with the matchmaker that she's kind of modest and that she doesn't like to show off a lot of skin. And then they showed that

adorable cat sweater of hers that she wore. And so I don't know if she's ever been to one of these shows. You know, she asked if Chandon Tating was going to be there. So I get the feeling that maybe she hadn't. And so I'm wondering if it was just too raunchy for her, if she just wasn't expecting that, but it'll be more funny if she's upset that she didn't get chosen. And the fact that those are the two options and they're completely on the other side of the spectrum. So we'll see. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. And next week, and this is like very fun, coincidental timing. Our guest next week is a YouTuber named Zach Frazier, who first came onto my radar from this video essay he did about how, like, positive max.

masculinity is portrayed within Magic Mike XXL. Very good YouTube video. I recommend it. So I'm excited that we're going to see some drama surrounding Magic Mike and have someone that has some cultural context surrounding those movies to weigh in on it. That's great. Sandy, what were your highlights from rehearsals of Beverly Hills? I think I already started with the cat dress and the 10K in the purse.

Oh, right. I'm good. That's about it for me. Yeah, I think that we covered most of my highlights as well. There were two other notes that I had. One was this lunch between Crystal and Rob and her brother. I just really liked her brother kind of grilling her about, you know, well, if I brought home a girl that's 20 years younger than me,

Would you welcome her with open arms? And Crystal's like so reluctant to say yes, even though that's the exact dynamic that she has with Rob, like right down to the like power dynamic of, you know, her brother being like a famous pop star with all this like cultural currency. And, you know, Crystal's husband Rob was directed the Lion King and has all of this cultural currency. And so, you know, the fact that it would make her uncomfortable to. see her brother be on the upper end of that power imbalance in a romantic relationship was interesting, you know, in how it kind of reflects on maybe her relationship with Rob and how she feels about that retroactively. And they seem like they've got a very, like, solid relationship as well. But the fact that there's a little bit of a discomfort,

in, you know, looking at that power dynamic in an abstract is really interesting that she's able to kind of, you know, flag that as immediately not passing the gut check. Yeah. They had interesting responses to that as well. She agreed. She was like, oh, you know, it'd be, she did reluctantly agree, but then she threw out all these qualifiers. She was like, she's got to be this, that.

And then she slipped it in. I don't know if you guys heard it, but she said, she's got to be perfect is what she said. And I was like, well, geez. no pressure. But her husband spun it and was like, you know, if she's as mature and bright and et cetera as your sister, then yes. And so I loved that he took it. But I think she definitely probably bumps up against getting flack for that 20 year age gap a lot and is very defensive about it. And at least given what she shared, you know, she she's okay. As long as this person is perfect tells me that she's not really reconciled how she feels about that age gap between the two of

them. Yeah. And the way that Rob handled that situation, like with like he, his answer was perfect to the point where it almost felt prepared. Rehearsed. Yeah. And like he was able to deliver it very convincingly and charitematically. And like it was almost too perfect. Like I don't know. Very, very charismatic and someone like he just kind of has a look about him where he looks like he might be kind of a more awkward guy in terms of how he navigates thing. But very, very smooth and very like, very cunning seeming. I just love that Crystal's brother's looking for a woman and Sutton's looking for a man. Oh, yeah, make it happen. I would be into that.

I think, yeah, the Sutton matchmaking scene, we touched on a lot of the, the notes that I had about it. I did like how Sutton kind of like flipped the trope where she was like, yeah, I am looking for a strong man, but it's not because, you know, I want someone to like take care of me and be a protector. because otherwise I'm going to eat him alive. I really liked her putting that out there. And she does have, like, she does have a very, um, uh, a very straightforward way of operating. So like, it's very believable. And I like that she is putting some thought into both like what her wants are and

also how like realistically how she navigates through life and what's going to be effective here. So, um, This did seem like a authentic attempt to find a connection maybe. But yeah, the other scene that I had noted was the dinner, Portia's birthday party with Kyle and Mo kind of getting into a tiff and Kyle spilling to Mo's parents about the fact that he has a tattoo. This was the first time that I have seen

between Kyle and Mauricio, there's been so much buildup going into the season about her and his relationship being like on the rocks. This is the first time that I'm like, okay, this like, this is like two people that are not connecting right now, just like bickering. And it was, yeah, I thought that, you know, Mo is someone that you don't really see get upset very often. And he was legitimately, like, he seemed to legitimately piss off. And for good reason, I think, like, yeah, it's his body, his choices, his parents.

Like, who is she to, like, say this? And at least she kind of, like, recognized that. I think it was maybe in a confessional. She recognized it. But at the time, it seemed like it didn't seem like a mistake. It seemed like it was done intentionally out of spite. Like it was, you know, yeah, that's just my thoughts on that. I got that feeling.

She definitely was ready to just wreck his entire world. And I was like, wow, you're so wrong for this, Kyle. But like you could tell in the moment at least was like, I don't care. But in the confessional, I was like, okay, you do know what you did. was not okay. Yeah, totally. Cool. Well, that I think covers Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Sandy, did you check out Real Housewives of Miami? He did, yeah. Yeah, before we cut things off here, I do want to quickly just talk about some highlights there. What were your highlights from the premiere for Real Housewives of Miami? Yes. I found Adriana showing up to

that lunch. Was it with Marisle? Alexia. Wow. Okay. Anyway, in a peace costume and a white flag was a bit much. White flag. Like, I get that it's campy and joking, but

anyways, I mean, she's a fun person to have on this show. She's a weird villain. She doesn't seem to be necessarily doing it on purpose, but she fulfills it well, and I think she deserves to hold whatever they hold, because she does bring it with her messy weirdness. She's caused a lot of drama.

So anyway, that was a bit much. Yeah, totally. I think that this was like a definite highlight because it is, she is so unserious about this. And like, you know, it was like, Alexia does have like a legitimate complaint with Adriana. Like, like, Adriana was like very hurtful to wards. her. So, um, yeah, I, I think the fact that she was just very like blowing it off and dressed as like,

a hippie or whatever doing the like and doing the waving the white flag. It was, um, yeah, not the, the move for like actually making a legitimate effort at an emotional apology. But I really appreciate it. I think that, you know, she's very, like you said, a very interesting. villain. And I appreciate that Alexei didn't even know the white flag reference at all, so it actually kind of ruined her things. Yeah. Never heard of white flag. Otherwise, one of my highlights was, and I didn't catch this in real time, but I guess Todd made this really long apology to Nicole's husband, which is kind of whatever, sounded kind of lame. Everyone had a few comments about that, how it was really long-winded and didn't need to be

public and then on top of that he totally just bails on the party out of embarrassment about it. So I thought that was a highlight because that's like really up in your game. Like you could just, he said something at one point was like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to like think about the apology anymore. That's that's over and done with. And I was like, okay, that's a great attitude. You know, maybe it was a little lame, but it was fine and whatever. Moving on. But no, he's like, but I will also avoid all of your friends because I don't want to have to talk about this apology.

and then Alexei makes that very clear in her speech, which was helpful to us at the party. So I enjoyed that. It was like nine minutes was apparently the runtime of this apology video. And that is long minutes. Wow. So yeah, he didn't tell Alexia and she's like, I probably would have told them not to.

Or like, you know, get someone to edit that down to like one minute, maybe 15 seconds, maybe then. Or just send it to him. they said wow yeah that must have been quite a day of him creating that um yeah and my other highlight was the preview for i maybe not next episode but i guess it was like season coming up this season with just the editing the beauty of that scene on the boat where they were like screaming and crying and that band was like floating along with me it was just beautiful art and i cannot wait I really appreciated the work the editors did there.

Yeah, they are bringing it. This is a great cast. Miami is, I don't know if it's premiering on Bravo now, like weekly, or if it's still relegated to like Paramount Plus premiere, but it is like a top rate real housewife franchise. This is like such a good cast. I had a lot of highlights I won't get into all of them

because we're running long on time here but the one like standout new character was Lisa's new boyfriend I just got like immediate dirtbag vibes from this guy and I don't know if that's just me or but every time like they they cut to him it was just he seemed I don't know There's like one time where Lisa was like, oh, nobody, nobody looks at me the same way as, as Joey.

And then they like immediately cut to her, like trying to embrace him. And like, he's like not even looking at her. Oh, I saw a picture of him. He's very dirtbaggy. I don't know if it's the, the manicured like chops or what, but you're, you're not far off. Don't, don't worry. Okay. Yeah.

He's from Canada, though. So I feel that being mean to him. Yeah. I wonder where in Canada? That makes a huge difference. Definitely not Winnipeg. I can't think Lisa's from Canada. She does not scream Canada to me.

Oh, she's from Canada too? Yeah, she's from Toronto. She said, like, he's from Canada too. She's Canadian. Oh, I didn't realize that. She feels. Wow. Yeah, but I mean, there you go.

Yeah. And he's a Harvard graduate in case you guys wanted just a little more nugget from him. He got his BBA from a school and then went to Masters at Harvard. So he just gives me like a Lego guy kind of look.

He just looks like he's... Totally. Yeah, I think we covered most of what I want to talk about. We won't do a full deep dive into Real House I was of Miami this week. I think we'll probably like

retrace a lot of what happened during this, this party next week in the episode when we kind of get the, uh, the fallout for it. I really liked how this episode was edited with the like, you know, two days later, one day prior, just this kind of, um, non-sequential storytelling that, that I really liked. Um, but yeah, I think, I think that's, uh, about it for me. Um, Thank you so much for doing this, Nat. Do you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, and thanks for having me. This definitely is not something I normally watch,

but I had fun watching it and kind of, you know, picking up things that I have no context for. And like I said, I'm going to check in with you guys on some of these relationships and see. Yeah, totally. You guys can find me on Instagram. We have our account there, which is stoned and social.

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