Oscars Outsider - "It's NOT a phase, MOM!" w/ Jordan Welwood (RHOA S15E07, RHOC S17E03)

Episode Date: June 23, 2023

Craig and Dylan are joined by comedian Jordan Welwood to talk about the latest episodes of Real Housewives of Atlanta and Real Housewives of Orange County.  Find Jordan Welwood on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/jordanwelwood/ Find Dylan on substack at https://dylanferguson.substack.com/   [https://dylanferguson.substack.com/] https://www.bravooutsider.com   [https://www.bravooutsider.com/] Music by FASSounds from Pixabay

Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter. And joining me, as always this morning is Dylan Ferguson. Dylan, how's it going? Howdy. Doing fine. Happy to be here. Ready to get going.

It's strapped in. Yeah, we record this in the morning. And so I'm drinking my coffee if you're watching on YouTube here. Mug check. You know what? I thought I need a sexier glass. So I've got a wine glass here. for it. Oh, I thought you're going to get some morning wine going on.

Oh, here we go. Yeah. There we go. That's a much sexier glass. There we go. Yeah. Right on. Each week, we bring on someone who does not follow the housewives or bravo and make them watch the episodes to get their perspectives. This week's outsider is the very funny Jordan Wellwood. Hey, guys. They say actions speak. louder than words. That's why I'm constantly screaming. That's great. I've never heard, though. Who's that? That's so good. Let Craig tell me. No, that must be an original. That's an original. That's an original.

Wow. Hot start. Yeah, that is excellent. Well, so stoked to have you here, Jordan. Do you want to just give everyone a background on sort of what reality TV you do follow, if any, and what your expectations were kind of going into watching these shows. Yeah, definitely. You know, it's funny because huge outsider when it comes to, you know, housewife stuff for sure. But I think the one for me was Jersey Shore.

And the first season specifically, because that was like the one reality show where I always felt like it felt so authentic. And at least in the first season, right? Yeah. Because they're getting into fights. And you're like, you never saw that on TV. And then, you know, by the second season,

they were already famous, right? And they're taking home like two, three girls. at a time, but the first one, it's like, I don't know, it just felt like these people would be doing this if there was no cameras on them, you know? Yeah, season one, Jersey's tour really felt like lightning in a bottle for me. And there's a huge contrast between season one and season two, which for me, season two just fucking sucked. And it was like, it was a classic lightning in a bottle situation, I thought, where they really

just captured something that was just kind of a one-off. It was a circus. Yeah, yeah, they put some cameras on these people. And you're like, I guarantee these people, this is just their lives. It felt like a documentary, whereas it became more of a produced show later on. Yeah, just like trail. cam so so many classic lines but yeah no i remember we even had like a

uh a season two party where we like i did like a blowout my hair and the girls we were with like dressed all you know jersey and it was like we like that was when i was like fully into it yeah i would say that that is also the number one show that people mention in terms of what reality shows they've got like for context when they when they join us on here it definitely is a show that that really like changed the shape of reality television. And one thing that's like really noticeable, at least in my mind is that's the first like reality show that I remember having like an after show

where there was like, you know, there was people doing a show like kind of exploring what was going on in those shows. Like really notable. And I mean, we as a, you know, a podcast that explores these reality shows, we owe a lot to, you know,

the trailblazers in that in the form that that we use like talking dead style like really breaking it down after yeah exactly those people were also i think trailblazers the stars of the show were trailblazers in having like better uh pay and better conditions for reality tv stars too uh because they refuse to come back for a second season unless they got an in a massive a salary increase because up until that point, reality TV stars were actually paid like a pittance. They were paid almost nothing. And they kind of went to the bargaining table and said, like, we're TV stars. So just like a scripted TV star, we should be paid like the stars of the show.

And that had an impact on the industry. Well, yeah, because I watching that first season, I assume they were just going to get a whole new bunch of people in like a game show, like Survivor or something. And then you're like, no, no, no, like they're sticking with these people. And then they became kind of the reoccurring. I don't know if they were the first ones to do that. but I do remember, oh, they're bringing them all back because, like, you know, you're not going to find another snooky or whatever. Yeah, totally. So I want to get into our roundtable discussion this week.

I put out the theme of archetypes. So I think the, you know, the character archetype is something that you'll see. You know, it's typically very specific genre to genre. But I want to kind of get your thoughts in terms of what archetypes we see within reality TV and what does it mean to be? be like an archetype within reality TV. If anybody brings up Carl Young, I'm tearing off my mic back and storming out. Fair warning. Well, Dylan, do you want to lead us off?

Sure. I mean, I guess, yeah, in terms of there being like expectations of like set characters and personalities and stuff, I think that's on the whole, a very good thing for the shows. It's always helpful, I think, to have a frame to play against. I think it's similar to the way that for me, the shows work better because there's more of a framing of everything and there's expectations. Rather than it just being in a void and trying to define itself against nothing. I think it's always helpful to have something to define yourself against.

And it's easier to set off a personality if you have a personality type that the audience as well as yourself has in mind that you can kind of bounce off of. And then from there, you can break expectations and change it. But I think it's the fact that reality TV has evolved to the point that we have a lot of expectations that we're bringing into every episode with us. And that whenever time that there's going to be new characters graduated into a show, we have expectations for how they're going to slot in, what role they're going to take. I don't think that's a negative for me. I think that's a positive that they have a framing device that that can be used to then be, you know, broken, bent, referenced, but it gives you something to, a substructure to grab onto. It gives you a stick that the peach tree can grow around.

Yeah, I definitely agree. I think, like, in terms of having, you know, a framing or a solid, like, foundation of, you know, let's structure this show. It's in this setting. We need these archetypes in order for it to, like, move forward. I think that that is, you know, that's positive. That's how you make compelling television. But I think one of the things that is interesting to me is in terms of at least the real housewives and to an extent Vanderpump rules, I feel like, yes, there are definitely like archetypes within that.

But it's, they're less, you know, they're less forward and they're less identifiable than in something like The Bachelor. So when you're watching a show where, you know, Jordan, you'd mention Jersey Shore, you're following these people multiple seasons long. Whereas if you contrast that with something like The Bachelor where each season you're bringing on basically a full new cast, it's a lot more of, it's a lot easier to identify people that are like, okay, well, she's going to be the villain. You know, this person is like the sad girl. This girl's the virgin, you know, like you see all of. those like people that are very like cookie cutter and they all it typically plays out in a very like similar manner as the seasons progress um but with with housewives you have people that are on these shows like in some cases over a decade they they they take on different archetypes

and different personas over the course of their time on these shows like someone might start as a hero and go into a villain, someone might morph into a potter. And I think that, you know, the people and the characters are just a little bit more nebulous. And I think there's a lot more nuance in how archetypes are used within the context of, you know, a show like Real Housewives. And I think a lot of those archetypes are almost found in post-production or in production. they will be like, okay, what is these stories that we're seeing told through this season? And how do we fit these people into these roles and let's edit it in a way so that we've got, you know, we've got these, you know, these timeless stories that, you know, have timeless archetypes. But we need to frame these real people into these stories and, you know, block it out in a way.

That makes it more compelling because I think, you know, since they are real people, their motivations are a lot deeper than just, you know, being a TV villain. Yeah, I bet you you guys could probably, you know, after a long enough time of watching all the different shows and the multiple seasons, you could probably create your own classification of archetypes for these shows, right? Because you could do like a Linnaean taxonomy. Yeah, like the only one I can pick out is there's always the sage, right? Like there's the, you know, the kind of matriarchal one who's like, I'm going to take control of the situation and, and, you know, bring everyone. I'm the, you know, older, wise one. Like, that's really the only one I was able to kind of pick out, you know, but you're right. Like, I bet you you could create kind of a sub-category for these, for these shows.

And, like, it almost seems closer to wrestling, like where you, like you said, you have the heel where it's like, oh, this season they were the good guy. And then now they're going, you know, called Cogan's end up NWO, you know, like. like switching teams and and switching it up, that kind of thing. But I wonder how much the actual participants are coming up with their own character stuff or how much is being kind of dictated to them. That's what I would be curious to know. Yeah, I think like the hand of production is something that we talk about and think about a lot on the ham fist. Yeah.

And I think that, you know, it changes over the course of like a housewife's career. how heavy of a hand production has in terms of shaping their character. Because, you know, when someone comes on and if they're a newbie, they're like, it's pretty clear that they kind of don't know what they're doing. And they're floundering a lot. Like I think that's one of the things that's exciting about watching like a new housewife come on is seeing them kind of flounder and see how they are manipulated by the like much more experience housewives. And, you know, production is also.

a force that plays into the whole like storytelling paradigm in a big way and they are engaging in their own manipulation of these housewives right there's you know they're feeding them information at at times that will influence how they interact within a certain scenario they're they're setting them up you know there there's a lot of manipulation that's happening from production as well and I think that as, you know, as the years go by, and I think in this latest episode of Reh Housewives of Orange County, we're kind of seeing, you know, Gina being a little underestimated in terms of, you know, how savvy she is at as a housewife. We'll talk about that a bit later. But, you know, as we, as you see someone progress and get more experience, I think that you see them play their cards like a little bit closer to their. chess and not be so reactive to the information that they're getting and needing to like play

it immediately. But thinking about it and figuring out how to leverage it. Yeah. And I think also over time, the people who have who become candy veterans on the show, they wield that that influence the other way too because the producers are going to be influenced by the cast members as well. Yeah, it's a two-way street for sure. It's going to be a two-way street, right?

And somebody who's like been on the show for a while, he's a bit of a star a player, you know, like LeBron James in his 10th year isn't, isn't going to be told by a coach what to do. He's going to be the coach himself when he's out in the court. Yeah. Like at a certain point, these, these veteran stars are going to be going to be going to be influence in production and and having a lot of say and how things are going to play out. Yeah. I mean, we, almost like a character too, right? Like, you can hear them off camera, you know, asking their questions every once in a while. You can hear them stir in the pot a little bit. Yeah. And I mean, we even saw this on the Real Housewives of New Jersey reunion that we talked about last week where Teresa

times her storm out in order to like have Andy follow her and apologize and you know wielding her her power as an iconic housewife um and another element of that interaction and I think we're veering a little bit off topic here but I want to get this out um another element is that these producers it's their their job is to build relationships with these housewives so that they can be more effective. So, you know, they can't be so manipulative in a way where they are going to lose the trust of whoever they're trying to handle. So I think there's a delicate balance there that we don't really get to see, but we can speculate about. But that's just very, very interesting to me. Did you guys have any other thoughts on the idea of archetypes within reality

TV? No, I do think it's like, it's unfortunate to have audiences that are going to like force people to try to be in boxes, but I think in terms of the way it actually plays out on the show, like I said, I think it's more of a positive than a negative because people are still going to be able to do what they want to do, but it'll be a little more efficient when you have a framing that you can play off of. Do you think that reality stars in these Bravo shows are more insulated from the influence, like external influence of, you know, the audience putting them into this archetype, archetypical box? They seem to me, Sorry, just to jump in there.

Like, a lot of them have a background in acting. And in, you know, they're coming in with a lot of, like, entertainment experience. Like, it's not like, you know, Survivor where this guy's, you know, a mechanic or whatever. It's like these people are like, they almost like, they kind of slot them in. Like you said, almost like players, you know what I mean? Like so I feel like they're coming in and they're like, okay, you want me to play this role, you know, even the one, you know, Heather in that Orange County there, she's like an actress with like quite a bit of experience. it seems like, but I don't think it's a stretch for some of them. And they're probably using it to their benefit, probably more than we think.

Yeah, that's an interesting point because you're right, especially on the shows that we watched, there is a lot of background in sort of the entertainment industry. There are other franchises where there's like a substantially less amount of experience within the entertainment industry. Salt Lake City comes to mind immediately as one where there isn't. So I feel like I'm curious about whether or not that really plays into how likely they are to try to fit into an archetype. Because, you know, on somewhere like Beverly Hills where we're seeing stars that have, you know, a lot of soap opera experience, we see people like Eileen Davidson and Lisa Rina who come on and they're very like effective at stirring the point.

pot specifically Lisa Rinnah especially it's uh you see Lisa like just jump into this this villain this villain character that is able to stir the pot and um you know she's just very natural at at doing that sort of thing yeah there's a difference between how much you can see the roles that are being forced on you or applied to you to put it less violently uh in advance um depending on your background, I guess, in entertainment, like the more entertainers will probably understand right away. Like, this is how I'm going to slot in. And people who aren't from an entertainment background might just kind of have the production and the post-production put them in a box without them necessarily seeing that that's what's happening.

Yeah, totally. Especially in Atlanta, they were all very, you know, a lot of entrepreneurs, right? So they're like, they're like, the house is going to help my brand. They seem like very brand savvy people, right? Yeah. They could probably play the villain to a point. but if it starts to hurt their, you know, interests outside, then, you know, that's a problem, right? Yeah, totally.

All right. I want to jump into our recaps for this week. Jordan, which of these shows did you find the most compelling while you were watching? You know, I'm going to have to go with Atlanta. I felt like very different, like, you know, as soon as I've ever seen these before, like huge, huge difference between the two. Yeah. I felt like, yeah, it was almost more business-minded people versus entertainers, less children in the Atlanta one. You know, it did feel like, I don't want to say more authentic, but it did feel like some of these women would be having these streaming matches if their cameras were not.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Whereas there was a lot more plotting kind of Orange County seemed a little more, which has been around longer, if I'm not mistaken, I think? Yeah, slightly, slightly longer, yeah. Slightly longer, yeah. So, yeah, no, I kind of enjoyed Atlanta if I had to pick between the two. All right. Well, so what were your...

Very important for the show. Yeah. I mean, I came in and sitting, I'm like, where are the butts at? Like, let's do it. Atlanta did not disappoint. So what were your first impressions of the cast on Atlanta? Any standouts? It's interesting, right?

So the main kind of the first girl we get to see coming in, I believe, was Shri, right? Shri? Yeah, I think Drew. We opened with Drew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me see here. I got my notes here. She was meeting the music video director, Rage.

Yeah, she was in step up. Yeah, Rage was actually, I had a lot of notes on Rage here. Yeah. And then her husband's name's Ralph, which is, you know, unfortunate for him. But yeah, that whole thing of like rage came in. He looks like Phil Collins. But then he has this black scent. And then it was like, I got to get rage, you know, to hook up this video.

Like I noticed with these shows, they just introduced people so quickly and then they cut away. But they spent a lot of time on like the serving staff at these restaurants, like taking the order. I'm like, you're chewing up all this time, taking the order. And then like, what was who was this guy? And then it kind of cuts off pretty cool. quick. But yeah, this one, like, they really kind of put the, uh, the conundrum was that, you know, she wants her husband in, but like, does he have abs? Like this rage is like, I don't know if I can use this guy. He might be a flabby. His name's Ralph, you know,

you know, this is going to cause problems. But like, it's my career. So if I have to get ab guy, then, you know, that could be a problem for Ralph, you know. Yeah. So it was a, there's a lot of pressure on Ralph right off the hop here with Drew. Yeah. Yeah. And this is a relationship that is like, well, they have since the season stopped filming, they have got a divorce. Ralph and Drew are no longer. So

definitely a relationship that is under a lot of tension and for rage to come in and be like, yeah, well, your guy is, your guy's too fat for this. Probably not helping the situation. The sight had seen. He probably just doesn't have the abs. No, no, no. Ralfs are too flabby. Yeah, yeah, I can't have a Ralph. Yeah.

And like, I wanted to do more research on rage but like you know he seems like a pretty kind of mid-level uh you know but like a successful producer of some sort you know yeah i think they said that he did a music video for like soldier boy or something like that yeah i think may said ti or something i don't know oh yeah and he couldn't recall step up like he didn't remember come on rage ask ask your adult children if they still talk to you they'll tell you what step up is another part is trying to try to he's trying to he's trying to he's trying to big man drew by pretending he doesn't know what step up is yeah Yeah, it was like, if there's a 42 step-ups,

you're like 50 years old and wearing a hoodie, man. Come on. Yeah. And had a very visceral negative reaction to rage. No time. They call them rage, you know, that's part of the. That's part of the rage experience. Speaking of archetypes.

Also, to be clear, you know, Drew's role in step up, very important to the film. I have not seen step up. Yeah, I've seen step up. Yeah, I've seen step up. Yeah, it's the OG one. That's the Channing Tatum one, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's the one with Chaming Tayman.

him or whatever Teresa. I mean, not that Drew's acting and step up is like great, but you know, nobody says except for for chaming. That's why that's the only thing people remember from the movie generally. But like she gets, she's one of the main characters,

but she has the like best friend role, like the main girl's best friend role. So that's like really, really rough for like an underwritten screenplay to just have that role where she's just basically. has to, you know, stand around wearing a beret and like a jean mini skirt over tights and like a really long scarf and all her lines are like, he's cute though, is it he? Admit it. You like him. Like just like the worst drive for that movie scraps. But the very best scene in Step Up when I think all

my stepbrothers and step sisters will agree with me on this is what we call us in the fandom. it's the big centerpiece in the middle where Drew actually gets to sing a song and she's the only character in the movie who has like a song in the movie and it's like a very dynamic performance that absolutely anchors the whole scene very important. So I just wanted to like I wanted to put some respect on Drew's good name there on the step up franchise because of this rage motherfucker apparently thinks it's no big deal. But you know what? That was a great role and an important movie, an important landmark. and even Drew seems to kind of feel a need to underplay. She's like, oh, yeah, there's like 20 of them now. I was in the first one.

There wasn't like 20 of them. There are five or six step-up movies. I feel like you should start a step-up podcast after this. I'm not saying five or six because I don't know. It's because the canon status of the 2020 Chinese production, step-up year of the dance is disputed. But there are five canonical Western movies, including the very best one, the fourth one, 2012.

Step Up Revolution, which is just a brilliant, brilliant film and the best movie to come out of the Occupy Wall Street movement. I'm serious about that. So which step up is what we're talking about? Yeah, Drew, I'm pro Drew. I'm with you. Yeah. She has more than a few woo-woo's in that movie anyways. It's a good performance.

I want you to send me more information about this, you know, this Chinese production. Is it like a Shen Yun thing? Oh, my God. I haven't actually seen Year of the Dance, which is the actual name for the Chinese Step Out production, which I find really funny. I don't know if they talk about organ harvesting at it. I will have to investigate it. There's just no black people in their version. Is that the Chinese?

They've got to remove her out of the poster. If it's the Falun Gong version, probably. Yeah. So what were your highlights from Atlanta? A couple different highlights here. Obviously, the Gucci. the Gucci brunch. That was the big,

they were really hyping that thing up the whole time. Yeah. I'm going to do. And I like the product placement too. Like every restaurant they went to, a little bit of a, you know, comedians and cars getting coffee breakdown of their,

you know, it's like it's a real advertisement for these, for these spots. He spent a lot of time on the waiters. And then they went to the cryo, you know, cryo rejuvenation, which was a weird product placement.

We've seen like one of these these Cairo cryo uh places before at least once on beverly hills that comes to mind and it's always just such a like bizarre business model i don't know yeah yeah and then the previous episode we had that fucking weird like semi abandoned office space with iv bags hanging from the ceiling like how many of these fucking fly by night sketchy presumably semi legal like alternative medical therapy places are there in strip balls in Atlanta Stem cells like there and do this. Yeah.

They're great for your complexion. Yeah, no, the Gucci dinner like it was meant to be this or the Gucci brunch was meant to be this you know, this big bringing together of everybody and mending of these these past relationships or whatever. And then like I was like, how long until this evolves into a screaming match? And I wasn't very long. Yeah.

Yeah, I just got to think about all the patrons. trying to have brunch. Imagine you see like housewives will come in. You're like, oh man, like we're not going to Sunday brunch. It's going to get real. And then they did.

They did a nice cutaway to these girls being like, they're screaming in there. Like, you know, which I was like, oh, when you get like seated at a restaurant next to a table, it's got like a toddler.

It's like, oh, man, we're not going to enjoy this meal, are we? Yeah. Oh, we're next to the housewives. They're all Gucci dough.

He's walking in. You're like, this is going to pop off. I can say that because I've got toddlers so you know i know the feeling of being the the scene at a restaurant yeah people will glare like you're not even they're not even making noise yet people are like watching it like it's a it's a grenade about to blow yeah just staring at marlowe's glasses like what the fuck her is that on her face yeah there's a big boiny batman glasses she was the real villain of that uh of that that that Gucci brunch

right like yeah well she is definitely getting a villain edit this this season you know she's not getting a lot of sympathy from the cameras here. I think that it's a little bit, Dylan, you mentioned last week that, you know, it's a little bit unfair to her because, you know, she obviously is grieving. But, yeah, she's not getting a very good edit here. I thought, I thought she had a decent episode, honestly. I thought she did pretty good this episode. I thought mostly because I was not feeling Candy's explanations.

I thought her explanations were really bad in terms of being like, you know, like, you know, I lost my brother. Okay, yeah, you know, good start. And then being like, you know, I got over it. Okay. That doesn't mean that you should expect other people to just get over, you know, tragedy because you did. And then saying like, don't come to be expecting sympathy. I'm not the sympathetic friend. I'm the motivational friend.

like that was one of my favorite parts is she's like I'm not sentimental and then just starts crying immediately she's like my brother not and you're like oh man yeah you're really not sentimental yeah I just thought that was a not a convincing excuse I'm not saying it wasn't a convincing explanation of her mindset but like to be like this is the reason why I'm I'm going to double down on saying that I don't need to show you any sympathy for your family member you lost was It wasn't, I wasn't bad. I feel a lot of, like, sympathy towards candy. And, you know, I think that maybe I'm biased a bit because she's been a favorite of mine for a long time.

But I, you know, I thought that her excuse, maybe not the words that were coming out of her mouth were acceptable. But the way that she acted and the way that she kind of operated in this, I got the sense that she, you know, she doesn't like engaging in. anything relating to grief because she actually hasn't dealt with her own. Because we see her talk about how she's like, she got over it and like moved on. Um, but like that shell is so easily cracked like you said, Jordan.

Like she's as soon as she has to engage with that, a whole like bunch of trauma just comes pouring out of her. Um, so I feel like that might, you know, color the way that she is, she's operating in these situations because I think that maybe she just doesn't like to let herself get into a place because, you know, she does present a very, very hard exterior.

And so I think that that informs a bit of how she's operating here. Yeah, that's a really good point, actually. That makes a lot of sense that she also is kind of angry at Marlowe for pushing this argument that's based on on her grief because she doesn't think it's fair and she doesn't want to have to probe that deep in her in herself too like you mentioned she doesn't want to have to to force herself to go into contact with a grief that she's never really properly treated yeah for sure the idea of like i don't know because they really i guess they kind of got to it at the end of the brunch which was she's like the reason i'm mad was you didn't support me the way i wanted during my grief which

most grieving people aren't too, you know what I mean? Like, okay, you didn't show up at my house or you didn't say, she gave you space. You know what I mean? I don't know. I'm, uh, it's so weird. Someone is actually grieving. They're probably not concerned with, you know, how somebody did that, you know, unless it's like your brother or something, you didn't show up or give you a phone call.

But like, I don't know how well these people know each other. It's kind of hard to determine that. Yeah, I think that this happened at a point where, Marlowe was a friend of the cash. It wasn't a full-blown housewife. So I wonder if maybe that plays into how Candy handled things.

Because, you know, there is a element to all these friendships that is like, it is dictated by the status of the show, right? You know, this is not a completely real scenario, right? right there are external factors like what your role is on this show so i mean marlowe has been around the show for a long time and you would expect candy to be a little bit more sympathetic but i i think that marlowe and candy are like every time they talk about this both of them are talking

about two different things like yeah yeah marlowe is talking about like you didn't support me as a friend you didn't, like, you weren't there for me. You didn't, like, you didn't help me when I was grieving. And Candy's like, you're trying to put, you're trying to frame me as a business owner that, like, has violence within their, their workplaces. Like, you're trying to frame me as someone that is, like, running these gangland institutions. So I think they're both, like, talking about different things. And I think Sheree has the right idea in terms of getting them together. So it's not like playing telephone via Drew.

But yeah, obviously this Gucci brunch was a situation that was, you know, set up to just blow up and have that conflict revisited. Is that kind of how they phase in like new people? Like they're like, oh, you're a friend. Like, you know, you're kind of like a supporting cast member. You're not a full, you know, feet. featuring Courtney or featuring whoever because that's what seemed like that Courtney is she like a full cast member or she's just kind of like a friend no she's she's a friend of status yeah because they used her like a pylon in that lunch they're like hey you're gonna buffer these people she's like I'm just happy to be here like I liked her she was funny she was like it seemed like she was just like happy to be there you know yeah I think quick to apologize they they typically um they will typically not have um um The new people on the show will be not too sure about what their status is on the show in terms of whether they're going to be a full-blown housewife or if they're going to be a friend of. And it kind of depends on how they operate within the season if they're giving enough to get that, you know, get whatever they hold.

In the case of Atlanta, it's a peach in the intro. They're holding a peach. So it's up to production to decide that. often you will see people kind of start out as friends of and get promoted, but also it's not uncommon for someone to just come in and be full-blown housewife and us have not seen them before. Gotcha. Well, one big takeaway from the Gucci is Marlowe's life coach advice,

which is to exit if you feel like you're going to snap. As you called it a store mode, is that like a classic move? She's like, this is my, and then they brought her back, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's a good life coach advice. Just take off. I was, yeah, when she said that, I was like, what is this life coach doing, like, telling her to, like, think things through and this life coach is going to ruin the show.

Yeah. Yeah, the producer needs to step in and talk to the life coach. This isn't healthy for you. Shut up. He's just going to show up at the life coach's house and, like, leave bullets in their mailbox. Kneecap them and shit. Stay away from Barlow. Yeah.

Did you have any other highlights from Atlanta? Well, I mean, Ralph got the part of husband. Let's be fair to Ralph. He's in great shape. Come on. Just because he doesn't have maximal ab definition. The guy's in great shape. Come on.

He's jacked up. He's jacked up like a truck, you know? He definitely focuses on his arms and his chest and not so much the core, but, you know, not going to fault him for that. He has to go to brunch too, you know, like. But I think that's not the worst situation for him. to be it is to get the role because of like a scheduling conflict or whatever it was because the other person can't show up like that's worse than just being turned down in the first place yeah yeah there's a

yeah the girl whispers enrages ear and it's like you know blah blah blah okay he's the one like it seemed a little he's the one who's there yeah i was really hoping when ralph entered the scene that he was gonna like come into the room with his shirt off showing that he's like sexy enough for this to try to like win the role on the day but unfortunately that didn't happen. I'd love it if he just had a big fat gut and they were right. Rage was right the whole time and they had

like CGMIM cost of production twice as much money. Like one of those like Snapchat filters except for your abs Rage just comes in with like a piece of like green like foam matting and starts

taping it around his car and be like we're going to fix this in post. Chroma green corn fat Dylan what were your highlights from Atlanta Like I said I did actually like Marlowe this episode I found her funny I found her glasses Fucking insane I loved her little fashion corner bit where she goes over

Everybody's Gucci outfits and says things like Candy look like she's capped up the bowling tube Great stuff I love what she says She's as ignorant as Scooter Brown And then they're like is is Scooter Brown ignorant? And she's like, I don't know.

Did that stick together? I just thought maybe it sounded good. I don't know who that is. That was really funny to me because respect, you know? I respect like just like throwing a line out there, even if you're not sure whether it makes sense or not. Yeah. Just throw it a reference and be like, does it stick to the wall? I don't know.

Whatever. We'll see. You'll tell me. That was pretty funny. I like it. I thought the lunch was bad for Kenya, who not only showed up wearing. like Chanel, I think, like, missed the assignment and also was just like being really like sniping and like childish and petty making comments the whole time. But I thought it was a bad,

a bad lunch for, for Kenya. And I think once again, I've said, I think I've said this a number of times, but I think consistently Sonia seems to be very reasonable and always like catches strays despite that. She keeps, she keeps getting shit from people, even though I think she always seems to be like on solid ground. Yeah, you can't be reasonable and play this game effectively, right? Yeah, you got to like, you got to pick aside, get off the fence. Yeah, that's true. I do want to talk a little bit about Kenya because, yeah, this was not a great lunch for her.

And I think overall this has not been a very good season for her. I am surprised at how much she is acting like a henchman for candy, which is not something that we typically see from her. Like, she's usually a lot more independent and kind of. playing her own game, but we're seeing her, I don't know if she's just kicking her feet up and being like, okay, I'm just going to, you know, be a henchman for Candy this season and that's going to carry me through. And I'll get her through because I think she's still a very great housewife and very entertaining, but a little disappointing to see that she's not, you know, playing her own game and really just, you know, just riding Candy. And, you know, that's a, that's a crowded bench on

team candy right because drew is is also there you know and that's basically all that she's doing um and drew it's more by necessity i don't think that she is as much of a heavy hitter as as kenya is and not as skill that operating within the host wife's game so she she kind of needs to latch on and you know uh be making things happen for for candy um so it's kind of disoble disappointing to see Kenya just like kicking her feet up this this time around. It is entertaining to see her. I think that she's funny when she's when she's sniping and like she knows when to be unreasonable and it and what is going to make for good TV. So it's not, you know, I'm not sad about it, but I am disappointed.

It was actually a really funny bit where she started. it's like choking. And most people's reaction seems to be like, oh, Kenya's pretending to have another medical emergency. Yeah. And they're just like, oh, sorry. I just got some bullshit stuck in my throat or something. Okay.

She was doing a bit? All right. Was she the bottom rung bitch? Was that Kenya throwing that? Yeah. She said that. Yeah. Yeah.

Which is hilarious because in that, in that doctor's appointment scene, I wrote down a note, she pulls out a zip lock bag of tissues, like use napkins. And she uses that, like, the editing just caught it. And I'm like. That seems kind of bottom rung. You just have a Ziploc bag of used tissues, like napkins and stuff. Like, she'd been stealing napkins from these. Like, I don't know.

I was like, what's this bag? Yeah, that's a pretty bottom wrong bitch. It's just that is. I don't know. I think that about covers everything that I wanted to get into in terms of Atlanta. Did you guys have any final thoughts before we talk about Orange County? Just quickly that I'd like tell they make it a thing that. Shiree got an endorsement from Rihanna.

Oh, yeah. Flash a text on the screen that quickly enough that if you weren't playing close attention, you might think it was like a tweet from Rihanna saying that she endorses Shih by Sherey, which is not what it is. A publication says. Yeah, yeah. And I checked it up and there's a video where somebody asks Rih out of a runway like, oh, are you going into Athleticswear coming for Shire?

And she's like, yeah, yeah, Shiree is great. Yeah. I'm not playing that game. All right. See you later. That's like what they try to spit as an endorsement. I thought that's pretty funny. That's great.

Well, Rihanna is like a noted fan of reality TV and the Housewife shows. So of course, she has an impeccable taste. Yeah, absolutely. She's also a big fan of Big Brother. So just want to put that out there. It's a she has endorsed Big Brother, unlike She by Shere. Right. Okay, let's talk real housewives of Orange County.

Jordan, what did you think of Orange County and the cast and characters here? So, yeah, definitely kind of a big, a big job. I started with Atlanta and then Orange County second. It seems like a little more like worn in, you know what I mean, as a show, like a little bit more, at least to me, you know, they seem like there's some Wiley vets. editing is even more kind of frenetic and crazy. Like it starts off on a dog humping and then like the husband be like, and then it kind of cuts away again, you know? I'm gesturing so emphatically.

But yeah, no, it was interesting, right? Like I feel like the families are more involved in Orange County. Like the kids are getting kind of some stage time there. But yeah, like a different kind of sniping. Atlanta seems a little more like in your face or is this a little more, you know, kind of catty behind closed doors, layers of mind games going on. Yeah, I, I'm curious to know who you thought was the most experienced housewife on this cast. Who, who you thought seemed like they had the most years under their belt? I think Tamara, Tamara, Tamara, Tamara. Tamara. Yeah. Tamara. Just a missing battle. She's kind of like Larson that way.

Sometimes they just drop a bow somewhere. Just for fun. Yeah. Yeah. She, I guess, was she, so her business was being shut down. That was, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So she, I don't know. I got the vibe from her because like everyone kind of like, you can tell like the, the main person has a bit of a gravitational pull that the others kind of, you know, are in, you know, orbit of. And it seemed like she was kind of the full, like it was her event. Maybe that's what it was. But.

Yeah. So she, this is her first season back after being off air for, I think, about three seasons or so. It's been a while since we have seen her, but she's back. And I, she is definitely a very, um, experienced housewife. She knows the game inside out. She like wrote a lot of the rules for, for the game. So, um, that definitely has any impact. But I think there's also an element at play that is kind of interesting for me in Orange County is

she's kind of this free agent. Like she's a star free agent and everyone is kind of circling her and hoping that they can enlist her to be on on their side. And that's kind of an interesting dynamic for me on this show. What were your thoughts on the other housewives? So Heather, you know, obviously the former actors, I looked up the show that she was on. It was Jenny McCarthy's show. Oh, yeah? Yeah, that's what it said.

I think that's what I found. So it was like because they had like a headshot of her like in the 90s. Like she was NBC's Jenny. So I kind of tried to look some of that up. But I think it was Jenny McCarthy. She played like the best friend or something like that. She seems like the most kind of together. But also like she's an actress, right?

So like it seemed like she was putting on a lot of stuff. Shannon with the crystals. She seems like kind of the, you know, the older, kooky. Yeah. I really like like the husbands in this one. They're kind of included more because they just kind of seem like, like they're just kind of going along. I don't know. Maybe I, you know, kind of was getting attached to them.

Emily's the one who had the kids, right? She had the kids at the pool party. Yeah. She seems like I kind of like her, right? She's kind of like the fun kind of comic relief who's like doesn't take it too seriously, it seems like. Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, Heather.

And then what else we got here? Who am I missing? Jen? Yeah, Jen and Gina. Jen and Gina. Okay, yeah. So Gina, yeah, Gina seems like she's kind of like the hungry upstart, you know,

trying to make a name for herself. Like she's coming in hot. And then, yeah, Jen was, which was Jen again? I got my notes on Jen somewhere. Yeah, I have a hard time telling Blonde's apart. Yeah. Jen is the newest addition to the Orange County roster. she is definitely the least experience of the bunch.

You know, remains to be seen how effective she's going to be this season. I think right now she seems like blood in the water to me. But yeah, she could have a good strong finish to the season. It's hard to say. Interesting. What were your highlights from this episode? So coming in here, You know, it's interesting the stuff that they, the crystal stuff was fun because that

lady seemed annoyed at her. Yeah. Like the Bristol lady wasn't into it. Can we talk about that crystal lady? Because, man, she was spooky. What was going on with that crystal lady? Man, that was like, I feel like she keeps some special crystals in the back for her pipe. She was a little, she was a little fucking weird.

And also, like, how much is that storefront property in Orange County? How much are you moving these crystals for? Like, that's what? I don't know. I got distracted. I don't think you should underestimate the crystal market, the healing crystal market in Orange County, California. Oh, man.

I'm like, what are these crystals? What are you charging for these crystals? You have like storefront packed? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Yeah,

that was an interesting. And then just the conversation they had where they're like, oh, are you water or fire? And I'm like, are they making this up as they go along? It's kind of like, yes.

And it's like, your birthday is October 30th. Your water. I'm like, what? It's not even astrology, man. Well, water put out by fire.

it'll make hot water. Yeah, that was, the husband's like, I don't know, honey. Hot water, let's get out of your. These guys just seem tired. Steam is right there. Like, oh, no, we're steamy. Like, why not go for that? Hot water.

He's like, yeah, we're hot water, not steam. Yeah. Your flames not that high. Yeah. I kind of like when I other kind of dunked on the other lady about in regards to acting, right? And she's like, you know, she's like, that's not a role you can offer me. because she had all this kind of insider emotion. And then they did the thing where it's like,

these are all the steps that are involved. She's just flexing hard. I'm like, she makes a good point there. I kind of, she's really trying to flex her acting credits real hard there. Oh, yeah. Even in the scene with the,

where the acting coach comes in, she's like, oh, what have you been in? Like, shut off. Yeah. I like how she shows up to like to do like a read at a friend's living room, dressed like she's going to like arbitrate a Wimbled and final. Why are you dressed up like that, Heather?

Come on, take a daughter, wrong. It's not like you were in step up, okay? Yeah. Yeah, no kidding. That's a way bigger credit than Jenny McCarthy's 96 failed pilot. Yeah. Yeah, and then like the acting coach, all of her experience was like Broadway stuff, right? So we'll just start with vocal exercises.

Like, it was like, she read the thing. She didn't give her any, you know, feedback on the read and then just went into vocal stuff. And then that blowjob joke, right? She's like, which like, they must have told her to say that. I don't think she's like, yeah, suck some dick. That'll help open your throat so that you can get a different register. Like that's your first beat of acting advice. I guess it's Hollywood.

I don't know. Yeah. Dylan, what were your highlights from this? I liked Emily's house, actually. It seemed like less of just like a vacant. void like some of these houses too. It seemed more like a Victorian museum with like a bit of like the mission revival like archways and stuff going on very like the ostentatiously over decorated in like a very

out of date way. But that's like it's like it felt like a classic like gesturing towards being a rich opulent person kind of aesthetic that I kind of appreciated it. And then of course because it's Orange County, she's got like bulls full of like individual packets of pringles for her children to eat. because they just, they don't know how to feed themselves with things that don't come from a gas station. I don't, don't understand life.

Yeah, I was like, oh, did you like knock over a cart on an airplane for the use? It was in the kid's rider. Like, it looks like it was set up like it was in a rider. Like, you want anything sprinkles. Exactly three after me a barbecue. But, yeah, that was, that was pretty cool. I always like to see a new house. One thing about Heather that I do appreciate is that she knows how the DefCon

system works. A lot of people assume that DeathCon 5 is the highest level, but it's actually the lowest level. She got it right. So credit words do. It's a lot more on the mark than Kanye's DeathConnor three. So she was a much closer. Do you think she's a CIA asset or something?

Could be. Tell us something. Yeah. Let's develop this theory a little bit more. The Defcon 1 is like full-on war. Like so you'd be going at it trying to kill you. It's probably closer to a Defcom too, right? If we're going to get into the Def-Cod.

Yeah. Def-Cod 1, the weapons are in the air, right? Yeah. The nukes are launched. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I really liked Ryan Tamra's son just sauntering in with a couple tumbleings going past him. Full-od, on high planes drifter.

Just like just like, I just shows up like that. his hat and everything, wearing a full cowboy outfit that looks like he just bought a target and it's like all totally in great condition. No way he's not bullied on that ranch. Like there's no way those churches aren't bullying this shit out of it. Yeah. When he's on that ranch, he's like, he's like the twink in that Jane Campion movie, Tower of the Dog.

He's getting it from all sides. But then you see him in the background and he's like, he's clearly like filming reels. He's doing like 360 videos and stuff. where it's like, all right. Your rule, though. That's great. Great show. He's someone that we've seen a lot of in the past seasons when Tamara was on.

And this like, you know, this straddling in pushing the barn doors or the bar doors open and, you know, reinventing himself is just so funny. It's like when a kid like shows up in costume and is like, yep, this is who I am. This is me. I'm not a phase, mom. Yeah. She's like, we were going to buy him a ranch because he's into this now. Yeah. We'll get you your first cow for your birthday.

Is that Brian? Oh, my gosh. Hi. It's been so long. He's a cowboy. Right. Look at you, Mr. Ranch. I do like how Tamara goes really hard into apologizing.

Like, it's rare to see like a full-on. unreserved apology in these shows. Like not a conditional apology. Yeah. Not like an accusatory apology, but an actual just like straight up. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. I was so wrong.

Real apology. Pet Tabra goes so hard into apologizing that like Shannon doesn't seem to know what to do. Like she's like she's like put off by it. She's baffled by it. It's like an onslaught of apologizing that won't end like a. a first stop through the phone. And it still wasn't enough for her. She's like, you need two years. Like, you got to get, there's two more years of apology. Yeah. Yeah. It was just funny to see her like overwhelm her with apologizing to the point where like it starts to feel like a like an attack or a joke.

Yeah. And so I just kind of enjoyed that. It'll be fun to see where that goes from there. And then the way that it ending with a cake fight is is always really fun. Even though I feel feel bad for the cake. Like Emily, I'm like, you know, that's kind of too bad that you're wasting the cake. But it's funny. It's a classic way to end to see it, have people smear cake at each other. And that ended with them like handheld footage of them stumbling around, trying to run away, smeared with gray like 9-11 footage. It was horrifying and lovely. Yeah, I just kept picturing like the guy who made the cake on like standing to the side. Like, he spent hours making the dumbbell and like it was crazy.

What the hell? My fondant. Yeah. Yeah, the idea, cold concept, too, of your business is shutting down so you have a party. Like, how the business owners are like, we're having this big opulent party because our business failed.

What did you guys think about Gina this episode? Yeah, she's like, she's like, hey, there's a tweet that may or may not have been, could be conveyed this way. Like, that was a stretch. That was a stretch. And then she's like,

I just can't let things go. I'm like, you're trying hard. You're trying to be the agitator here. She's really trying to fit that role. Yeah, she's working hard here. I think that this was smart of her. I think, you know, the way that Jen was introduced on this show was as friend of Tamara. And everyone, the game right now seems to be to try to get Tamara on your team so that you can move forward.

And I think that this was a smart move from her to, you know, put a wedge in there. because a lot of people are looking at this, at least Heather especially is looking at this, as, you know, oh, the threat is that Shannon and Tamara, who have a long history together are going to come together and, you know,

be a force. But I think people don't necessarily see that Jen could also be someone that Tamara just aligns with and runs with. So for her to immediately kind of toss that out there, I thought was really smart. and I also liked how, you know, she gave this information also to Heather just to kind of bounce things off because there's kind of an uneasy alliance that exists there. And Heather's like, oh, just, you know, don't say anything. And she did it anyways, which I think was, you know, the right move.

But I think that, you know, someone like Heather who has more seasons under her belt, but not a lot of seasons with Gina still underestimates Gina's ability as a housewife in order to play her own game. So I really liked seeing this. I am curious to see, you know, what Heather's read of this situation is going to be after. And I also think that it was smart when, you know, afterwards when everyone was getting into it with Jen over, you know, the inconsistencies in her story about her, her effect. fair that Gina removed herself from that situation because that would have been an opportunity for Jen to really focus on Gina as being someone that is like forcing people to gang up on her and the fact that she removed herself from that situation and you know was not a part of that

I think it gives Jen less to work with the comeback at at Gina. Yep. Good read. She got ahead of it. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was awkwardly carried off. I think Gina was, you know, she's doing a job. She had a thing to do. Yeah. You know, she had to start a line of attack.

She did it. She did what she had to do. But I think it was, it was inelegantly executed. She went with the hammer, not the scalpel. She just was like, hey, did you see this tweet? Like, who does that in the middle of a dinner? It's funny. You're right, though, Heather, like, yeah.

Anytime there's like some common sense, it's immediately, you know, it's not rewarded, like, which is funny. Like, Heather, maybe don't bring that up, which is what any one of us would have said. And then she said, boom, immediately. I'm doing it. I don't think that, like, she thought that this was going to be a kill shot. It was more of like a probe to see where that relationship was at. And if there is, like, cracks there, which obviously there are. Because we have, we've seen in like confessionals and scenes that don't involve Gina, where Tamer,

has expressed some, like, concern about how Jen has operated through the course of this affair. And so to put out this, like, feeler and to see, you know, how Tamara truly aligns herself with, uh, with Jen, I think was, it was, it was a smart way to gather information. And I don't think that she's going to get a lot of blowback for it. I think, you know, Tamara immediate was like, okay, I see where Jean is coming from with this. because this is something that is very personal. This business is very, like, business closing down is a very personal thing. So, yeah, I thought that this was smart.

It wasn't executed super elegantly, but I don't think that it needed to be. I don't think that, you know, she wasn't trying to set the wheels in motion in anything, you know, that is going to play out any longer than just, like, gathering information and kind of stoking this divide and making sure that Tamara isn't becoming closer to someone that isn't someone that is aligned with her. Yeah, I don't think there's going to be any follow-out from it, though. I think the one that's going to have fallout is the accusations they're trying to make about Jen, you know, cheating on her old partner with her new partner. That seems to be the one that's like actually reverberating a little bit, which seems a little prudish to me, but whatever, that's what they're going to run with. that's what they're going to they're going to use as their anti-gen line of attack.

Yeah, she was getting, she was getting grilled there for a minute, you know, and then she's like, just own up to it. And then you're right, there was a sidebar where she's like, this is what happened, you know, so she's going to stick to those guns. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I think our Gina seems like she's actually the most impacted by it. Like, this seems like it stirs up actual true emotions from, from her. and so to see her remove herself from that position of, you know,

getting too emotional about it and immediately like causing a divide and like a battlefront, I just think it was smart. I think that Gina is, has really shown her chops as an experience to hostwife. And it's not something that we have actually seen a lot from Gina in in the past. But while I was watching this, I was like, oh man, Gina is actually really good at this.

I'm not sure she's really good at being a real estate agent, though. We'll see. Based on those two questions, I could be a real estate agent in five seconds. That seems easy as shit. Yeah. It's like, do you, A, steal? Don't steal. And she's like, do you call back your clients promptly?

It's legally obligated. It's strongly recommended. I think it's legally obligated. I had that exact thought. I was like, I'm going to go get my broker's license down in California. That was wild. What are the, what are their highlights did you, did you guys have? Oh, the demolition conversation that they had where they're like, yeah, we're just going to tear down this wall.

And they put like too dense in it and then they stop to talk. Yeah, these contractors are coming in. They're like, we got the wall still here. The contractors are just waiting off seed while they filmed their, a little bit because at the end they're like yeah well that's a good day's work like yeah there's three holes in the wall yeah bra about that yourself on the back yeah why are you guys demoing the wall like whose idea was that that was fun and then they have their goggles on they're just like had to stop and take the chat it was like that was fun and there's a really nice shot of like

a smoky drywall coming out of the hole in the wall like they just were working so hard um Dylan did you have any other highlights that's about that about that about covers it, I think, for me. Yeah, I think that about covers it for me. I think the only other thing that really stood out to me was when they do the, like, hibachi rice toss. Have you guys ever had that done? Isn't it, like, so degrading feeling?

Like, just like, just like. I've never done that. He's getting, like, facialized. I would absolutely feel like a seal at Sea World. Yeah. Yeah. I was down in Mexico at a hibachi restaurant on a resort. You went to the gymachi restaurant.

I went to the dreams Natura research. Yeah. And it was just like on badderpup rules. But yeah, like, as soon as the chef did the, like, rice sauce and I, like, went for it. I was like, oh, what am I doing with my life? I'm gross. That's why that killer whale fucking murdered those people, you know, you can understand. Yeah.

It's just just the humiliation got too much. It's just like, I'm going to. a drada motherfucker. Yeah. TILCA, just fucking dragging them down on the bottom. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that about covers it for me as well. Any final thoughts? Definitely, you know, I'm not sure if I,

it's funny because I was like trying to bug my girl. I'm like, yeah, watch this with me. Like it'll be. And she was like, no.

But it was because she was like scared of getting sucked into it. Like she was like, if I open this Pandora's box, you know, I think the other one was like love is blind or something. and I'd come home and catch her watching it.

She's like, I just got to finish it. It's one of those mind bugs. So I'm like, it'll be interesting to see if I, if the same thing happens to me, you know, and I'll be bugging you guys for the next five weeks to catch up on what's going on. Oh, yeah, we hope so. That's the whole point of this. Awesome.

Well, thank you so much for doing this, Jordan. It's been a blast. Do you want to let people know where they can find you? Yeah, you can check me out. Just, you know, even on Instagram, just Jordan Wellwood. you know, my name, OneL, One L in Wellwood. I'm going to be posting some clips in the near future. And then season three, Roast Battle Canada is coming out, I believe first on CTV and then eventually Cray.

So they haven't announced it yet, but it should be coming out sometime later this summer. Awesome. Looking forward to seeing that. Dylan, you're going to be off for a couple weeks. We're going to miss you, but we're going to have a good friend of mine and Bravo fanatic, Sandy Cloak, keeping your chair warm. Looking forward to that. We got some banger episodes planned out for that.

Dylan, do you want to let everyone know where they can find you or tease what you're working on? Well, if you hear the sound of my voice and you think, man, I'd really love to hear that dude talk about Toby Hooper and Mario Bava movies. Well, you can look up a show called Mind Over Splatter about horror movies and culture, working on a new project that's going to be related to crypto zoology. and that's why I'm taking a little step back to try to get that finish. So hopefully I'll have something that I can announce when I come back. But yeah, it'll be away for at least a couple weeks. So feel free to skip those episodes. They're going to be fucking terrible.

No, we're really looking forward to it. So we've got a musician coming on next way named Rusty Robot, and we're going to be looking a little bit into housewife music. And then after that, we've got an architect named Billy Chung coming on. Looking forward to that. to explore what physical spaces mean to reality TV. Oh man, you're doing the good shit without me. Okay, it's going to be good while I'm gone.

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