Oscars Outsider - Keep On Wifin' w/ Ryan Ash (RHOM S5 E14, RHONJ S13 E3)

Episode Date: February 24, 2023

This week Craig and Dylan are joined by comedian Ryan Ash to discuss the bull in a china-shop that is Adriana De Moura and the Jersey husbands guys night out! (RHOM S5 E14 & RHONJ S13 E3) Find Dylan on substack at https://dylanferguson.substack.com/ [https://dylanferguson.substack.com/] Find Ryan online at ryanashcomedy.com [https://www.ryanashcomedy.com/] Music by FASSounds [https://pixabay.com/users/fassounds-3433550/?utm_source=link-attribution&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=music&utm_content=112194] from Pixabay [https://pixabay.com//?utm_source=link-attribution&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=music&utm_content=112194]

Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter and with me as usual. It's my coach, Dylan Ferguson. How are you today? I'm pretty good. It's actually like a really fucking cold here today in L.A. unusually. I mean, for L.A.

So there's no heating here. So that's why I'm wearing like both of the sweaters I have with me. Oh, yeah. You're under an extreme cold advisory too. We were hitting like minus 40. We were hitting minus 40 last night here in Winnipeg. For real? Yeah.

Each week we bring on an outsider who doesn't follow the real housewives and make them watch the episode and then get their takes. And joining us today is comedian Ryan Ash. Ryan, how's it going? Good, guys. Thanks for having me in your church. This is fantastic. Yeah, glad to have you. You want to tell us a bit about yourself and your awareness around Bravo and the Real Housewives and what that was like before you started watching?

It's funny you say that because my relationship with Bravo was like maybe when I was a horny 13-year-old, served as a backup to showcase. I have a lot of choice for catching an errant boob. But as far as I had known, and I started to see it over the years, Bravo seemed to switch or maybe not switch. Maybe I misunderstood the channel from the get up. But when I was a kid, I seemed to remember. remember as a child my mind's eye at bravo that was that it was an arts and entertainment thing

focused on you know acting and that kind of like it was almost like parading its art house or something right a long time ago i think that was yeah yeah there there was definitely a pivot so right now the real housewife franchise is the flagship but prior to that i would say probably inside the actor's studio with james lipton would have been that was what i thought of bravo that's the exact show that came to mind when in my mind's eye when I was thinking what my perception of Bravo was as a kid but instantly when I saw like the branding attached to the stinger attached to the show because I streamed it I didn't watch it on Bravo right yeah I saw I just got it immediately as soon as I saw the stinger for Bravo in front of the new or the housewife stuff I was like

okay so bravo's one of these networks like I don't know what's the other one was like PBS or whatever that did like some insane pivot where it's all about quintuplets all the time. Oh yeah like tLC. Yeah. The learning channel is now just TLC which doesn't stand for anything. I was never privy to what channels were upheaved by the reality TV show upheaval because I just don't typically engage with reality TV much at all outside of drag race because that's one that my wife and I watch together. Like we watched America, Canada and all stars. Oh, yeah. So that's like really the only reality TV I tend to take in. But then when you think about it, it's like it's not true because I obviously watch sports interviews. I guess that qualifies as the category in a matter of sorts or some kind of crossover. But, you know, yeah.

Yeah, definitely. It's interesting that you sort of bring up that like previous era of Bravo because there was like a brief time where inside the actor's studio with James Lipton was still running while Bravo was like a full blown. reality TV station and they would do these like promos in the summer for their like summer of Bravo where they got all of the personalities together to shoot like this fun. The one that sticks out in my mind is like they're doing this Olympic Games type thing and James Lipton is is in those promos too. So he was still like you know treated as this like marquee star alongside all like all of the housewives. That's funny.

I wonder how he liked it. I imagine he had a bit of a sense of humor about it. I mean, you got to have a pretty good career. Oh, yeah, for sure. And I think like anyone that does art analysis as a job,

if they were to actually apply their eye critically to housewives with like an open mind, I think they would start to see the value of it. And that's one of the things that I'm pretty excited. about exploring through the course of this podcast, getting people that are in the artistic space, whether it's stand-up or any other discipline to watch these shows that I think are often dismissed and watch them with a more open mind and critical eye

and try to see the value of that. Well, as the outsider, I can vouch for the fact that if there was two guys that would actually make me want to do that and listen to that directive, it's probably you too. I trust your taste. I trust the journey you'll take me on. Wow, that has misplaced trust right there. Flattery will get you everywhere.

I don't know. I don't know what else to do, but you guys have the X factor. Craig's introduced me to so many pop culture things, and Dylan says funny, smart things online. Well, each week we like to start out by going over some news around the bravosphere. and all things considering this is a pretty light week for Bravo News. I think the big story surrounded former Real Housewife of Atlanta, Kim Zolsiak's house being foreclosed upon. The thing that I mostly want to touch up.

She's just the real wife now. The one thing I did want to briefly touch on, even though we're not going over highlights of the Real Housewives of Potomac Reunion, I did catch it. It did air this past weekend. Dylan, did you happen to catch this? yeah i did um i did catch it it was it was good times um i think i'm completely not surprised that ashley is getting totally fucked over uh by her ex uh who is not even her ex yet i don't know i don't know i don't work yeah michael darby yeah um and uh the fact that that he's totally financially fucking her over is something that like i saw a mile away and it's probably not done like

they're like, oh, at least you've got the house. It's like the house isn't even in her name. So she probably wouldn't even end up with that. So it's, uh, that was pretty sad. But otherwise fun stuff. What, what did you like about it? Yeah, that was the thing that really stuck out to me as well. She basically is getting out of the divorce, uh, the house and a bit of a promise that if

she ever runs into trouble, she's going to, uh, get, get helped out by Michael Darby, who does not seem like the most trustworthy person in the world. Yeah. So that was kind of the main thing that stuck out to me. The other thing was Mia's confusing account of her business set up. And I could not make heads or tales of whether she was the boss or what her actual involvement is with this business. It was very confusing. Yeah.

It kind of came off sounding like she's like a figurehead CEO maybe. I don't know. though I think they were a little hard on her with that, like when she said that there's three managers and then later said that there's eight board members or something, they're like, I thought you said there was three. Like, no, she said there's three managers. But she wasn't helping her own case by like being very unclear,

especially when she said like, and we also have a house in Charlotte as well as Maryland because we're bi-coastal. Yeah. Which is, you know, people who live in L.A. and New York love to bust out the term bi-coastal, but somebody can't remember who, like, rightly points out, those are on the same coast.

That's just one ghost. So, yeah, she wasn't really helping herself. She seemed a little confused with her explanations there. So I don't know what's going on there. But clearly she's also going through some financial troubles too. Yeah, struggles. Where is Potomac? Is that in Maine?

Maryland. Maryland. It's a suburb of Washington, D.C. Oh, I see. Okay. Understood. Yeah. Potomac has had a probably, I would consider it a bit of a down season when compared to its previous seasons.

It has had a very stellar track record, I think. And this has been a season a little bit marred by the obfuscating of a storyline about a potential extramarital affair on the part of Juan Dixon, who is Robin Dixon's husband. And all of this came out after they came to a reunion. Oh, Juan Dixon. Oh, sorry. I thought you said, I thought you were saying like on the part of one Dixon. And I was like, both very, very litigious. Wow.

The son of one dick. But yeah, so Robin was trying to cover this up to make sure it didn't get out on cameras. And it came to light after the reunion had started. So it was looking like she might be successful. in that, but the Bravo editors were able to cut together a little bit of context that alluded to this at the beginning of the reunion, even though they weren't able to tackle it on there. So I was happy to see that. And I feel like that might be the end of, end of Robin on Potomac.

So I think we should get into it. Let's start with Miami. We've all watched the episodes and selected some highlights. Ryan as the outsider, I'll get you to lead us off. What's it out to you? Well, it really, let me pull out my notes. I was trying to understand Adriana's side of things. I was.

That was pretty much the, I felt like that was kind of the overarching thing of the episode. It was like, is this person right or wrong and whatever. But she also like, yeah, I don't know, whenever somebody does that whole like the, it tells you all the horrible shit that somebody said about you behind your back. And then like masquerases, I'm telling you now because it's a friend. But it's like so obviously in the moment intended to hurt somebody. I was like, okay, well. Yeah. You know.

Adriano was definitely like a bull in a china shop this episode. She was not very eloquent in her words when she was talking with Alexia or Marisol at the opening scene about how her boyfriend hit her up after their split. And then never loved her. Yeah. Yeah. And then same thing to add. That was a big one. That was like you're trying to find every department to hurt someone.

So it's just like. She's doing a lot of that in this. episode like a lot of just digging yourself a hole and then finishing a scene by like just putting some explosives down in the hole to just blast it way deeper like she just digs herself deeper and deeper and retreats and at the same time like she talks a bunch of you know and then she she runs away and like does a crying thing and I'm like man I know people like this like just because it's my first episode like happening upon this person I'm like everyone else is kind of like guilty until proven innocent.

But this person for me, I'm like, I know people like this and I can't stand them. In elementary school or junior high, did you ever have like guys that you went to school with when you're like playing a game and they are clearly their team or they are going to lose? They pretend that they're going to get hurt and or that they got hurt and we'll just like end it by, you know, oh, I'm hurt. I can't, I can't finish this game. that was the story of Adriana this episode, I feel like. Oh, yeah. I feel for her at the same time. Like, I want to take her side a little bit.

Like, the thing is, Adriana was one of the originals on the show. And she got her status changed when they revived the show. Yeah. After like several years after it had been canceled when they revived it a couple years ago, she had her status changed from an official housewife to a friend of a housewife. I don't know why they did that. maybe Craig does, but I suspect it might have something to do with the fact that she's like a little bit less dynamic than a lot of the girls.

She's a little bit less of like an exciting television presence. So I feel like her downgraded status on the show overlaps a lot with her feelings of being pushed to the outside of the friend group. I mean, the show in a friend group is almost the same entity. Anyways. And like the previous episode, we had like a kind of heartfelt moment where she was talking about like. her heartbreak and how she thinks like, you know, men don't process attachment, the same way women doing was trying to help somebody out with that. And I think she's going through really a lot of sadness, like when she's talking to that

primal therapy woman, uh, and she's saying how she thinks like if she died, nobody would discover her for a week instead of her dogs. Oh, yeah. She feels so neglected. So she's, she's going through some shit. Like, like, I think her sadness is very genuine. and it's coming from a very real place of hurt and feeling exclusion. But when you feel excluded like that, if you try to weaponize your self-pity,

it's not going to have positive results. And it absolutely does not hear. Like, she's just making it worse for herself by this. And I understand why she wants to strike out. And why she also at the same time probably wants to be a center of attention, probably I assume with the implicit or explicit prodding of the producers to kind of justify her place more and be more of a central character. And that with her need to get everybody's attention to feel like she's not just pushed the sideline is kind of encouraging her to keep to keep getting more vicious. And like, you know, she even fucks up her drink throw.

Like she tries to throw a drink on somebody. You see in the replay. She mostly throws it on her. herself. That's like the image of everything she's doing here. She's just trying to attack people. It only ends up attacking yourself. Uh, so I think she's a sympathetic presence. Like I really feel of her, but you totally understand why everybody just wants to like condescend to her and is getting very annoyed with her at the same time because he just like, you know, showing up getting wheeled in a wheelchair, like Olivia Coleman and the favorite is just like not a good look. Uh,

and that it's just like it's, it's almost, excruciating, I think, for me to, as like, I feel for her and she's just doing such a bad job of making everybody turn more and more against her that I was ready to be, like, screaming next to Kiki there on the beach in frustration, just, just hurling at the ocean with my feet did my own piss in the surf. I understood why she needed to let it out there. I thought that was almost excruciating how bad she was she was digging that hole for herself throughout almost the entire episode. Yeah.

She just really wanted to have her foot hurt. It seemed like, you know what I mean? Like I believed her foot was legit hurt. It was almost broken into a thousand pieces. Yeah. But in the same time, it was like, she like needed it. And it was really apparent that she like needed to leverage it immediately. Like her need to use it over like the actual event.

It was just like, oh, yeah. That's why no one feels sorry for you. I understand it because they could feel your energy about needing it, you know? Yeah, she was reaching to be victimized by something for the entire episode leading up to that. And by a sheer stroke of luck, she got it by nearly breaking her foot into a thousand pieces. The Lord sent you a shiny broken foot to leverage on your rich friends. But one other thing that kind of stood out to me about her bringing up Marisol's ex, reaching out to her, it seemed like a bit of a piece of information that she was keeping in her back pocket for a long time. Because Adriana and Marisol were both on the show last season.

And she never brought this up. It was just something that, you know, she was sitting on. And it's interesting that she would bring it up right now because she didn't really have a new. need to. I guess she's trying to make a play to be a full-blown housewife next season. But it was interesting to me that she really didn't gain anything by bringing that up at this point. Are any of these housewives in Miami married still? Yeah. There's one that's married to a guy who's like, who just like hates her. That dinner scene was nuts. Okay. Yeah. That was one of my highlights. was him going like this at the end of their conversation about you still love it you still got that spark and he gives her like the whole like yeah absolutely i would feel guilty making that face to like a Costco sample person

and that's not saying that they're undeserving of any kind of respect i'm just saying the nature of our acquaintance is such yeah it was the most like unconvincing oh yeah yeah totally and it was just that's a scene from last last season when it's clearly the cracks in their marriage are starting to show and this season up until this episode the storyline for Lisa has been her husband Lenny leaving her it was it was pretty interesting that um this kind of came up when Julia asks Lisa oh how's how's the family and Lisa just responds it's so fucked up. It is so fucking. I noticed that.

Like just making small talk. And yeah, then we got that beautiful flashback from the We Still Have a Spark Dinner. Yeah. Yeah. So should I keep going on highlights? Yeah, let's keep going with your highlights. Okay.

Yeah. So obviously that was kind of the lion's share of that episode. As a side, and this is so hack, because I imagine everyone's going to talk about this. But it's so weird that they just can't. get plastic surgery right and that you know the end result of it always ends up looking like you know either a spotted grouper or a toe like it's really weird like it's I don't know like there's there I always pray and this is so vain and weird sounding but I just kind of pray for someone normal looking to be on camera uh which is like you know I don't want to be like that

But at the same time, I'm just like, it's just weird the way plastic surgery goes and like some of the things that people choose to get done these days. Like the cosmetic, you know, how they orbit around the lips so much and the size of the lips is just like, I don't know who's clamoring for some of those crazy ass lips. Oh, yeah. There's some is a lot more tasteful than others. Like some definitely looks a lot more natural than others. There was actually an interesting moment on Watch What Happens Live this week, which is the late-night talk show that happens on Bravo. It's hosted by Andy Cohen, who's a producer on The Housewives, and he brings on guests to talk about the episodes that were on there. And Melissa Gorga was on this week, and they were playing a little game, and Andy brought up like a side-by-side of an old photo of Melissa Gorga and a new photo.

was talking like about how she denies that this is like that she had worked on on her nose. And she's like, oh, no, I'm not denying that anymore. Like, um, I've stopped denying that. Blah, and he was like, oh, well, I've got so much plastic surgery that I need to keep track of it in this job. Like forgive me for not knowing that. I think it's like the constant tinkering is probably what ends up just ruining their faces. It's like there's that Balzac story about like a great painter who keeps making adjustments

to his canvas until you can't see a human figure in it anymore. I think it's like that. Like you just have once you like break the seal and start like tinkering. You can't stop tinkering with your with your face until it's no longer a human face. Yeah. I remember when I used to try, I had to make like little CO2 powered cars in shop class. I was like, you know, I paint one wrong. So I paint over the paint.

Then I paint to it, but the paint hadn't dried. I was just because I had to get it done in the course of this class. so I'm painting over paint. And yeah, same deal. It's just F's it up. Yeah. I just was like, yeah, for the, I didn't want necessarily a heavy husband presence. But by the end of Miami, I was left to wonder just based on their conversations,

who had a husband. Also, I really liked how the mom took time to show us that she was stopping over at home for a brief touch in with her family or whatever. She's like, there's what, I think it was what, the one with M. Marisol, was that where she had to go. She's like, I can't. I got to go one or two days. Then I get back to my family. And like, she literally goes home and like tag team, like, tags herself in, you know, give high five to the kids.

And then it seems like she's gone again. I'm like, this is just confusing as a lifestyle. Like, I can't back. Who cares about who does what? Yeah. Yeah. K-Q was yelling about her cameltoe in the pool. That was the first I saw ever was her like punching herself in the muff and yelling about a camelto.

Oh, yeah. I think it was Gertie. That was like they were initially talking about Larsa's butt and lack of stretch marks. And the editors then immediately cue the porn music. And there's just like a montage of them talking about their bodies. and yeah, Gertie's showing off her cameltoe. That was it. Yeah, okay, it was Gertie.

Yeah, that was it. Yeah, okay, so it's Gertie. Okay, yeah. And yeah, I don't know. I just overall, like the vibe of them in general, like when they like start to like get excited and stuff, like as soon as anyone gets to that energy level now, as a 38-year-old guy,

I'm just like, I always want to leave any space where anyone has any kind of energy like that, where they're just like, we're together. I'm like, well, I got to leave. So I just know, I don't know how they do that like nearly every day. It's unsustainable. Yeah. You know, like, yeah, I'm not surprised they end up not liking each other and stuff because like the demand of the energy level and the output and the faux good times is. kind of a psychological nightmare. Yeah.

Though mind you, Gertie apparently thought the first day was not exciting enough because we have that one like fun like overhead shot of her walking down the stairs and being like, everybody's just getting fucked up. Nobody's starting shit. Like when are we getting turned up? I guess she got her wish.

Yeah, yeah. I just had that Adriana, this is before the rest of the episode. This is like first impressions. was Adriana seems like she would ruin any trip in the car. She seems like she'd turn your music off right when you felt that you're most happy. She put her song on instead. Yeah. She'd right with her in Optimum Cruise.

She's like switched to her song right in the middle of Optimum Cruise. And you'd just be like, oh, no. Now I'm just going to drive and count the hours till we're there. Yeah, Adriana commandeering the Ox Cable is a highlight of mine as well. Oh, that was a thing. See? This lady, I know this. Yeah, when they get in the boat, she insists they play her own song.

She's, like her song that she made? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. A music video for it, a few episodes prior. Oh, fantastic. Rich people get to make so many music videos. I love that about them. They all get to take a crack at it.

And they all do find their genre, the auto tune it. That's a recurring thing in the Housewives show. and the shugs are always fucking atrocious. It's beautiful. I had that, and again, I don't mean to fixate on looks because I know it's so hacky, but I'm just, you know, new viewer, right? So diving back into the world of people who are like this. But Alexia looks like the scientist from Nightmare Before Christmas,

which is the weird, the way her lips are strangely arrayed. Yeah. Yeah, I want to assure everybody, if there are an equal amount of men on this show, I would be making fun of their appearances as well. We could get to that of New Jersey if you want to make fun of some of its appearances. And that's part of my notes. Yeah. New Jersey is just a whole different show.

Yeah. And it really is. And that's one thing I'll say is like obviously geographically speaking like I guess there's different flavors of rich people or something. Whereas like Miami is just like absentee couples. They just don't seem to see each other. They are on vacation. episode. They are in the Bahamas on vacation.

So you do see more people in their lives and like the regular more shows. Okay. Oh, yeah. And also, you know what? I would say one thing I noticed too was I was looking at one of their plastic surgeries and I recognized I was like, oh, I know that kind of nose. That's the nose that this sports brought. There's a Louis de Bresk who does playboy play commentary for the oilers on the local feed here, former. NHL or Louis de Russ. He's got like a rebuilt nose for sure. And he's got one of those tiny weird champagne. You know, it looks like a woman's heel, you know, it's like a champagne stem nose or you're like,

you shaved away a lot of rusted nose. Yeah, yeah. So he's got one of those like no nose noses too. And then I started to think, I'm like, you know what? I bet there's so much plastic surgery in the world of male sports broadcast. I know that there's tons of Botox with them. But I wonder what other surgeries are typical within like male sports broadcasters as long as we're talking about like different areas that people get those surgeries and stuff yeah I imagine that it would vary from sport to sport yeah yeah that's probably like you know what um jacks did that in vander pump rules right didn't he have like a broken nose and he got it fixed but then after he got a fixed he kept getting it redone so i feel like that could be like a gateway for like sports guys yeah first is just like

a fix to a nose because your nose is get broken in a lot of sports but then you know once you've gone down that path, we can make this nose better. My buddy works at a clinic in Calgary. He's a dietitian and they get, because they have, you know, cosmetology or whatever in that clinic, he gets employee pricing on Botox. So you can get Botox injections for like, I think, 20 or 30 bucks or something. And he's had them done. And it's just kind of, it's weird looking at your friend, you know, because the rest of the world,

I think he looks A-OK. But then you look at him and you're like, Like, why are you so alert looking? Like, you don't have the tired eyes I'm used to after a decade of paying down student loans. Like, well, yeah, Larissa is my favorite out of, um, well, what, whatever, uh, Miami, I think. Larsa. Larsa, yeah, Larsa, yeah. Just because she didn't have any, he wasn't taking anything from, uh, I think was it

Adriana at dinner to where she's like, oh, I will straight up whoop your ass. I was like, all right, all right. There was a good moment earlier, or maybe it was during that same fight at dinner time where Larsa has a confessional and she's like, oh, I never initiate drama. And then there's a montage of like all the drama that she has initiated over the past 12 months. Yeah. Yeah. Also, a shout out to Larsa for, like, making a movie reference, which I just feel as notable because normally she's the one where if somebody makes a reference to pop culture, her face just blazes over.

Like she's never seen a movie or a TV show in her life. So there's a point here where she says of Adrietta, she just keeps coming back like The Exorcist. And I'm like, Bravo, you made a movie reference. I'm not going to interrogate her too much. I'm not sure what that has to do with the exorcist necessarily. She's maybe thinking of an entirely different movie. Terminator. I'm just proud of her for having made a pop culture reference.

Was that it for your highlights, Ryan? I think so from, yeah, from Miami. I mean, yeah, you know, I think that it's overall. I mean, that's what I noticed. That's kind of that beef seemed to be the overarching thing over the episode. Yeah. Then they had their dinner on the beach. I thought that they would get more out of the,

or that they would expand more. into the rage therapy thing. They just did it without the help of the professional. Yeah, yeah. So it was like, that was kind of like underwhelming in the sense that like that professional didn't really seem to be like, okay, let's go with this or like. It was anticlimatic. Yeah, it's probably just hard for a lot of the professionals involved with this show to try

to like win over the will of that group. If it's like outside of any kind of wheelhouse of theirs was the general vibe I got from that where so many of them were just like, I'm not going to scream at the ocean. Yeah, even though you have a camera crew, you know the drill and you're like, no,

okay, well, then that's fine. You don't have to. You could feel the producers sort of rubbing their hands together when Nicole decided to bring on a rage healer. Like, this is going to be amazing.

Yeah. And yeah, I can get where you're coming from that it was not like super climactic. but I think the fact that they got into the, they just got into it on their own. And that rage healer was the person that Kiki and Gertie were calling emergency emergency. Right. When they started getting heated up,

like she was somehow qualified to simmer things down. Yeah, she's never doing the opposite. She's supposed to turn it up, not turn it down. It's true. Come over and makes him matter. I mean, there's one person who took the rage healing very seriously. And that was Kiki. Yeah.

Kiki was fucking screaming her face off. And she seemed to be actually getting something out of it. It seemed like an actual relief for her. So that was great. You know, people like Lisa are like, yeah, I'm not going to do this. This is lame. And Kiki's like, let's fucking go. Yeah.

She bought in. Yeah. Yeah, I love that about Kiki. Huge buy it. Dylan, how about your highlights? Yeah. I mean, that's one right there. Like I think another great supporting turn from Kiki.

who is a real MVP for me. She's just great. Again, bringing up how she hasn't been late in a long time, just being extremely horny all the time. And going to piss on the beach, just while everybody's arguing, she just wanders off to take a piss. Classic kiki shit.

Like, just not doing it for attention either. Like, just kind of, like, wandering to the side, but still with a view of the cameras. Yeah. And then how seriously she takes the actual rangey like that. it actually like seems to get benefit out of it is like well everybody else is like this is a stupid gimmick we should we should we should

need to have this gimmick you just can't can't predict what Kiki's going to do and she's really fun for that reason well she said she she thought that it was it was like ejaculating I think is what she said again extremely horny all the time you release and then you're happy yeah yeah she said

I think during the dinner She's like, I want to scream and I want to fart when I scream. Like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. Oh, yeah, also just going topless at one point, which, which provokes Gertie to say that she's not going to let out Lily and Lola, I think she says, revealing the names for her breasts there. Yeah, I mean, someone said, you're going to attract sea life.

lions with those tits? Yeah. Like, are you trying to feed the sea lions? I can say, what does that mean? Are they trying to say your tits look like fish?

Like, I don't... Fish. That was a bit of a confusing, confusing lie. Yeah. I'm glad we got to wrap up that whole, like, Botanica theme

that we're talking about before, with all the witchcraft things and Alexia's feeling that there's something suspicious about the way, or maybe nefarious about Julia's having gone to a botanica at all.

And then of course, they like just switch the focus to Adriana at one point. Because she's Brazilian and everybody knows, Brazilians are witchy. Just calls in Marisol who is apparently like getting her makeup down the other room or something, to sit on her knee and to back her up and the fact that Brazilians are very witchy. That's like a classic Alexia shit. And then the conclusion of this is that they call up the botanica. If I don't know, it wasn't even a fucking botanica. Yeah.

It was like presumably just like, some like new age white hippie store. Yeah, it's like a gift shop that she went to. And everybody's time was wasted, including mine. Yeah. After I did my. This was amazing. This was the M-night Shyamalan twist that I was looking for.

There never was about that again in first place. Oh. Oh, yeah. Of course, I have to point out that Julia was very on point when she said that Alexia looks like a barracuda. I'm not sure if that's better or worse than Ryan's comparison to like a Tim Burton puppet. She does look like a maracuda. Yeah.

The side by side proved it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They backed that up. So that was a good line. But yeah, for the most part, it was just 80%.

Just me feeling excruciatingly torn between like lots of sympathy for Adrietta's perspective and just lots of frustration with how like terribly she was handling it. and how bad a pitch she was digging for herself leading up to the final minute where she pokes the barracuda and she's just gonna get... Poking the barracuda. She's just gonna get fucking flayed by Alexia. Like, that's the wrong person to do that too.

Like, Alexia's gonna turn into a fucking centivite and tear her flesh off in the next episode. That's gonna end really poorly. Yeah, absolutely. Like, there's, and also with something that you're clearly going to be in the wrong, about and like no one is going to be sympathetic to your point of view after you make that type of comment yeah she's just like literally flailing and trying to hurt trying to hurt people to get their

attention at this point which is a which is a terrible place to be yeah um in terms of my highlights i think we covered most of them the one thing that i also noted down here was how much marisle how much how much work Marisol is doing as usual to sort of carry things and be a dynamic presence from the the hooker's arrival where she comes in with the bullhorn we got a close of that at the end of last episode but also throwing the charm that Julia gave her over the balcony right this is something that she didn't even do in front of the cameras. She was just like being extra about it and thought to bring it up. I thought that, again, another great outing from Marisol this week.

Yeah, and a little moment in her confessional where we see her like apparently filling up a glass with rum. It's like, yeah. Yeah, you're right. I know there's a great show. Like she like last episode was missing a little bit on the energy. So they threw her in there and that's all it takes. It's just a spark plug in there. Yeah, for sure.

Sure. And she had some great confessionals, as you mentioned, the one with the rum. Also, when it came up that her ex had been hitting up Adriana, she was like, oh, well, you can have my sloppy seconds dick. Yeah. And there was another when Adriana was talking about how she's got high cholesterol and she's prone to stroke. And she was like, oh, you're going to give yourself a stroke. Yeah. Next up this week We had Real Housewives of New Jersey

Which was our Guys Night Out episode The first time we've seen all the husbands get together This season so far You know I was stoked about that Yeah As soon as I saw the name of the episode Was Guys Night Out or whatever they called it I was like oh yes I'm looking forward to this

Ryan What were your thoughts on Real Housewives of New Jersey So this is like just kind of like Jersey Shore, right? This is just kind of like that. It seems like, I don't know. Just like older marriage jersey.

Yeah, yeah. So I guess it's just Jersey. That's just what it's like. But yeah, no, it's funny how like, you know, I don't know. That one is, yeah, this episode was like more beef, but it was like a lot of the male side of beef. Those guys bring the beef.

That's for sure. Yeah, which is like, they are. They really, and they, they seem to, they love it. They love beefing. Like, the one guy, yeah, that, that guy was, I guess, Bob, was it Bob? Who's the angry guy at the end, the bald guy? Oh, Joe. Joe, that's it. Yeah, Joe. Joe, Brew, whatever. Well, Joe Gorga is the ball. That's it. Joe Gorga, yeah. He seems like he just, like, would be mad about something at any given time. Like, he just has that look where it's like he's a guy who needs part of his personalities wrapped up and being like, oh, what's doing?

He's far. This is, ah, you know. And then the other guy seems, yeah, Louis, Louis or whatever. Yeah. I don't know. He seemed like he was like try to like take somebody's side. You know, you stick it up. But at the same time, it felt like he liked being on camera.

Like, he's like, hey, I'm the new guy. I'm Louis. I'm here to stay. So, you know, I'll get all mad and just like, but then I'll do the thing where I turn around, like, please, please just talk to your sister, please, you know, where he's on his side at the end. He's trying to work all the angles. I'm like, is this genuine Louis or is this the Louis we want, that Louis wants us to see? Yeah, this is one thing that kind of stood out to me as well. Louis this season so far has been trying to play this voice of reason angle in a lot of scenes. And when it's like just him and Teresa are the scene with him, Teresa and the girls, he was like pretty effective at doing this. And I just hate that for me because I don't find him very likable. And I don't like as a viewer having to side with him.

Fair enough. Just instinctually. Yeah, that definitely stood out to me. but when he was there at the guy's night out, that trying to play that angle at the end after having a conflict with Joe Gorga, it did finally come across as snake like and that's what I'm looking for. Like that's what I really want to like feel the hate course through me. Yeah, I think I think though he did generally do a good job appearing kind of like a voice of reason.

Like you said, Ryan, at the end of it, he really does weasel out of it because he ends up just. saying like talk to your sister. Like it's, he ends up capitulating in a sense he doesn't defend. No. He doesn't defend that Teresa. He doesn't defend her perspective.

He just says, well, you talk to her then. It's not me. I told her exactly what you said, actually. It turns out that I'm on your side after all. You know, how about that?

Why don't you talk to her then? You know, like really, he's just putting it on her shoulders and just snaking out of it. So even though he, his words sound kind of reasonable, he really does cop out at the end. Yeah, you're right.

It's just like a whole bunch of chest thumping for a buck pass. And you're like, what'd you do there? I also, like, wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even know that Melissa's family wasn't invited. Like, he seems as like someone that would just be, like, so hands off with the wedding planning portion of things that he might have been completely surprised and just playing along like he knew. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's funny because, yeah, you got to, you know, like everyone can hate a guy like Joe.

You know what I mean? It's easy. They're visibly like people react that way most of the time. I mean, you see a big guy, which isn't always fair to big guys because I've known a lot of like bodybuilders who are deeply intelligent people who, you know, who have other lives. But they have a hobby that they do. And it makes them look a certain way. And it's insane. And they're kind of aware of it, some of them, right?

Like not everyone who's in the game isn't aware that it's a ridiculous thing to do and it's really physically taxing. But it's also like we give ourselves permission to like despise people who look like Joe. You know, long after we are done pounding, hammering on unhealthy people and things we shouldn't do overall, it's still like if we punch up, then we give ourselves permission to punch. So it's like whenever I try to take the opposite angle on guys like Joe. even though the inside of you is like this cheese ball like this guy sucks but yeah i think cheeseball is probably the word that i would use to describe joe gorga like that is monticell yeah moussorel sorry i was excited to hear they did a cheese making class at one point

yeah the last episode was the cheese making class and it was very excellent yeah but i think that joe and frank are kind of a uh a point and counterpoint in in terms of your, like, if you were to project your expectations of what someone like that looks like, Joe Gorga is basically exactly what you would expect him to be based on how he looks, whereas Frank is, at least to me, he seems like the complete opposite. Yeah, Frank, I think is a great point to what you were saying, right? as you're pointing out, Craig, just because he looks like the ultimate meathead

who lives just to like shout at the barista at a Starbucks because they suggest it don't know. But he's actually like a sweetheart. It seems to be like he comes off as a pretty nice guy most of the time. Like just a pretty like kind, silly man. Yeah.

Well, even in that scene with that guy who looks like, you know, a pudgy background around Boardwalk Empire or like, what's the new boyfriend friend of that lady. Oh, Paulie. Yeah.

So, Polly, um, yeah, I don't know. He was pretty short with Frank. He was saying weird stuff.

You know what I mean? Like he was trying to challenge, but he wasn't in his energy. Like he wasn't right in the pocket when he challenged or whatever. So it kind of seemed like a weird where he's like, that's a woman's do it a man to man or whatever. But it was like about like phoning him or something. And it was just like a really weird outburst.

And like, I think Frank took that in stride well. Like, you know, in a way that a meathead wouldn't, because I feel like I would get caught up on one of those. If somebody was just throwing those out there all day, I wouldn't be able to get past it. I'd be like, now wait a minute, what did you say? Kind of thing, but yeah. Yeah, and I feel like it was admirable that Frank was sort of extending a olive branch to Pauly, aka Buzz Lightyear, to come to the boys night. and, you know, this is something that's going to be on camera.

You're going to be in Dolores' life. This show is obviously a huge part of it. Like, come and join and engage with us. And, you know, it was an opportunity that he just didn't take advantage of, I think. Yeah. And he's like, he's like, oh, you asked me through Dolores or whatever. And it's like, well, I mean, like, isn't that that's all right, I think sometimes, isn't it? It feels like it's an okay thing.

Yeah. want to respect her too and not you know you don't want to go off with some guy and like start planning stuff without bringing your wife in on it i don't think the wife would like that that much so it's like i didn't understand polly's objection yeah frank and paul are interesting because they're kind of on a bit of a collision course uh which i think is is kind of an enforced narrative but also it's like inevitable like he's you know frank is the ex who just never left really who just hangs around still uh so of course there's got to be like uh uh uh uh uh uh some conflict there, but I think it's kind of undercut by the fact that two guys clearly like each other too.

Like they're like with their fucking calling each other Mr. Bitha and Buzzlight, yeah, which is just great like dudes being guys shit. So like it's just like, oh, how's fun doing? Yeah, he just got out from the hospital. He lost him way. Oh, he's a French fry now. Was he? Those great lame jokes all the time. I was going to go visit him, but he wouldn't let me park my spaceship.

Yeah, you got to pay double for that one. awesome stuff. I love their, they're like dudes being guys energy and that's why I was so happy when they get the meal together at the end. You know, John Fuda just like endeared himself

for those guys for life by showing up with adult diapers at the dinner. You're like, oh, this guy gets it. Funny guy over here. Like, oh yeah, he's going to be your new best friend now because of that. Yeah. When he brought that bag of diapers on,

I was like, okay, 50, 50, some producer was just like, yo, John, bring a sip, make a splash dog. Yeah. But can't ask too many questions. Yeah. Just got to let them live their lives. Yeah. So New Jersey's different because it feels a lot more like families at war.

It feels like everyone is plotting as a family. Whereas like in Miami, I obviously saw some vacation episode. So there wasn't as much like, but then Jersey, they're friggin, it's like Game of Thrones the way they like go back to their families and discuss their interpersonal issues and like get into their angry. Because it's a bunch of battalions, right? Yeah. They just bring it inside and they get angrier about something and then they go out into the world with that energy. And it's like repeat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The family unit is like the amplification chamber that you just like intensify your issues before you bring the back out, you know, glowing hot and burning. Yeah. Home is where a three goes to attend. Yeah. Yeah, that Italian family angle is something that really drives a lot of New Jersey. Like you see when the guys are talking like, oh, it's an Italian family. This is the way things are. It has to be this way.

You have to invite the stepmom, et cetera. Like it's so much family stuff. And Italians with their, you know, my wife is Italian. And it's very much that like no other culture is like, hey, we're this. We know, we know, we know. So, yeah, they always, that's just the way things are. For everyone?

For everyone. For everyone. Did you have any other highlights from New Jersey that you want to cover? Let me pull on my notes again. Oh, so Dolores' new boyfriend looks like he's, Polly looks like he's related to David Kekner. I didn't even understand. understand why Frank was a bunny all of a sudden.

Yeah, they're doing a photo shoot. What was the photo shoot for actually? It's for a calendar, I think. But I was like, is this just another album? Is this a rich person album? Do they just make a calendar that they have? And that's what it is. It seemed like someone's like, it's for a benefit.

But it's like, who buys a calendar full of business people? Yeah, I don't know what the calendar is for. I'm sure I said that something. But it's Dolores, some charity that Delors. Morris is involved with. So previously they had a photo shoot episode, but since Frank was in the hospital, he couldn't do his

shoot. And I guess he's the Easter Bunny for the calendar. Oh, he's the April. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's just weird that they picked, you know, it's just like your calendar is full of wealthy people. Not fire people.

It's just some business owners from the area. I appreciate it that they went all out for staging this shot of him with the eggs being strewn about, but then spraying his body with Pam Kitchen Spray in order to give him that sleek shine. And then of course he says, yeah, I'm ready for the oven now. Oh man Jackie alluded to battling toxic food habits Yeah that has been her storyline

So she was previously a full-blown housewife She's lost that status And has been downgraded to a friend of That has been a storyline that she's been going That she's been going with for the past Well since she's been on the show Yeah I don't know

I guess it's only in my notes because this morning I bought 24 mini cupcakes. Where are you going with us? What's he cooking? And my wife phasedom me on my drive home before I had a chance to like set up a funny way to announce that I had bought 24 mini cupcakes. And I kind of felt like and then she saw them or she saw like a corner. No, she saw that I had the rapper from one in my hand.

And then she's like, what's that? and I felt like so removed from my power in that moment. My power was a sense of humor is going to be able to make this acceptable behavior. That I was like, it's a muffin. There's a muffin for some reason because I wasn't ready to like break that I had a cupcake. Either way, when I got home, she's like,

why are you hiding that? That's a weird secret fat guy stuff. And I was like, oh, she's right. She's right. So I guess maybe that. That's why I put that of my notes. It's just a theme for me today. Yeah, it's, you only know it's a problem when you start hiding mini cupcakes around a house.

That's when you got to go to mini cupcakes, anonymous. I've had 14. So like, right now I'm like, I don't know, I got to stop right now. Like, I have to leave at least 10. Yeah, you said that last time, Ryan. You said that last time, right? I think this is, Craig, this is probably when we should tell Ryan that his wife asked us to do this has an intervention.

There is no podcast, Ryan. This is just set up as an intervention. Before I go, I'm finishing the 10. That's how it works, right? You go crazy on your way to rehab. Isn't that how they do it? I think that's how my wife says they did it. Yeah, no.

It is definitely one of those things where now I'm like, there's so many gone and she's aware of them. So it's like either I like, you know, maybe I should. Like this is the part where I do not eat anymore. and I let 10 be there. And then she gets home and there's 10 left. But I don't do the thing. It's the other thing, which is I eat them all.

And then I go to the store and I get a new one and eat four more of that. And then act like, because that was, you know, the way I was leading before I started talking about this out loud. So if anything, thank you, Jackie. For letting me be honest with myself and kind of, you know, with my family. I think if you were to take anything away from a real housewife, is like if you're going to solve this problem, you just need to gaslight her. Man, there's so much gaslighting.

That whole show is gaslighting. It's insane. And they're all kind of toxic like that for sure. And it feels like in New Jersey, it's always whenever they want to talk shit about other people, they started with, I feel bad for her because. And then they say something that qualifies them

to then say the terrible thing. And it's like, so calm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Margaret and Melissa give like a masterclass on that strategy when they're talking about Jennifer, like how, just like you say, instead of saying like she pissed me off, she said something that made me angry, their strategy is just to like constantly say like she seemed weak, she seemed sad. You know, she's on a downward spiral. She's like a festering open wound. Oh, yeah, I've got that one.

Which is where it escalated to. like it's just like attacking their like mental health and happiness instead of just saying like she made me angry yeah they uh a festering open wound yeah that's that's a straight quote like that's yeah no i remember that quote it's wild uh wild that far they go and it's funny too because like when they dip into those moments you know it's like stuff that they pull from like movies and stuff or like, you know, a festering open wound is so like out of touch with any of their, like, seems like their characters that suddenly they jump into this like 16th century sentence. Quite, you dissentious rogues that rubble your porch of your opinion, make yourself scabs.

Okay. Where did you hear that? Postule on a kangaroo's corpse. Yeah, exactly. Just like, just watching like Victoria. and medical dramas before they start shit time. Dylan, how about you, what were your highlights from this episode? So speaking of all like the Italian family stuff, love that we're going to meet Daniel's family

here, highlighted by her dad, Big Phil. Big Phil. Big Phil's great, just shows up, immediately says in lieu of like, hi, I'm here. I'm not taking my shoes off. and just storms in with some flowers. His ex-wife comes in with flowers, and then they start comparing flowers. You know, might have better,

yeah, might have more colorful. Yeah, these are roses. Just like, I was so glad that we got to meet your family. I thought that there's a lot of terrible, like terribly carved out beards in New Jersey. I thought we couldn't get any worse than John Fu does, but Big Phil has got a pretty, kind of pretty awful, a beard carving job.

But he's sympathetic. He's fun. He gets so emotional when he's talking about how Daniel and her brother don't talk anymore. And just literally breaking into tears as he's trying to say how Daniel used to say, you know, my big brother, my big brother or whatever. It says that he hears that 9,000 times a day in his head, which he should get like, he should go to a doctor and get a lobotomy or something. That sounds horrible.

that's it's not normal but but you know it's a sad guy feel for him and uh but just like a likable italian presence so i was really glad that we got a we got to be more of that clan yeah i thought that the way that this uh daniel's family drama was introduced was really excellent because we also got her we got exposed to it by her telling melissa uh about it which was was interesting because this dynamic that Danielle has with her brother and her brother's wife is very similar to Melissa's dynamic with Teresa and Joe. And in Danielle's story, as she's telling it, Melissa would be the bad guy. And so it was really interesting that this is how it got presented. I was a huge fan of it.

Yeah. And I would love to see how this kind of. of matures whether Melissa's going to internalize that in any way and maybe have any sort of conflict with Danielle over it. Yeah. Yeah. I like, once again, Jennifer's daughter, Olivia, is just like a superstar. She's the best.

She says, like, why are in your pajamas? She's like, life of me! She's really funny. and I really enjoy the contrast between Margaret and Melissa shit-talking Jennifer just making it clear how much she got under their skin I think by like not not cracking as much as they wanted her to

when they fucking savaged her last time and then you know Jennifer goes for a bit of reassurance from her husband Bill and he's just like just like hedging and prevaricating and being reasonable and level-headed but that's not what the situation calls for yeah uh and uh obviously she hates that and uh you know women hate it when when i'm so mad at doing that you know like she just wants to hear like yeah you're right and

valid they're wrong and and unreasonable and he's just like well yeah different you know different people have different perspectives, you know, just like talking like a, I don't know, like a centrist Democratic candidate on the red stage being like, yeah, there are many sides to many issues. There are, you ever consider how everybody sees the world different? Maybe the color green doesn't look the same through your eyes as it does through mine. Just kind of, you see, he's just very wishy-washy. That's, that's, he does the same thing when they get the dude's lunch or the, the, the, the, the dude's drinks later on, where he's just very like, yeah,

how many people are talking. Many people have many things to say. Except there was one moment. Trump talking about what was the proud boys. Yeah. Many fine people on both sides. There was one moment during that

that guy's night out where Bill was talking about how he is actually close to Louis and he says, oh, I'm the brother in law that he doesn't have. which is a dig at Joe Gorga, which didn't go anywhere. I didn't even notice that, actually. Yeah, it was interesting that he, like, I don't think anybody else did.

Because previously in that episode, we got a montage of him, you know, playing Switzerland and just taking, like you said, that neutral dance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've learned better than to do that with my wife. I try to be like, well, yeah.

Yeah. And speaking of other husbands and Margaret's husband showing up to the dinner and being like, yeah, she made me change my shirt three times before I came here. And I don't think that was a lie. I believe that. No, yeah, I believe that too. Yeah. I love that.

Like, that makes sense, but he's like just going to hang out with the boys. And she would be like, no, you're not wearing that. Like, when he's just going to hang out with his friends. Yeah. But lots of fun dudes being guys. and just delighting each other. Yeah, the ball busting during that guy's night out was really great. They got into it right from the get-go.

Oh, yeah, that's what they're there to do. Yeah. Oh, I also just wanted to point out, like, Melissa saying to her daughter, like her son's wearing a shirt that says virginity rocks for some reason. And she says, go teach that to your sister. Yeah, Jesus. Then they just gloss over that. I'm like, whoa, where did that come from?

What did she do? Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, mostly there were some good kids action, but yeah, mostly it was the dudes' dude's corner. And I do like a good dude's corner. We didn't have enough of that the previous episode, so it was great to get that in this episode.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think we touch on most of my highlights as well. The only thing, the only other thing that kind of stood out to me was when we got that scene that included Teresa and Gia and Louis, Gabriella joined, which if you've been watching New Jersey for a while, she is the daughter that you barely ever see. She always takes a back seat to anything. and her position is never to be on camera involved in the drama. And so to see her actually get emotionally invested in things and breakout in hives, I thought that that was notable. I also really appreciated Gia's huge salad basket that she was eating.

She had some sort of. of like Caesar salad that was in a normal salad bowl, but inside this huge bucket that was on her lap. Yeah. I know it's that enormous salad too. Yeah. Oh, speaking of the kids too, also at the start, I like that we get a little clip of just Rachel's daughter saying fuck instead of fork.

I just like that stuff. It's just funny. They just include three seconds of it just because they know it's funny to show just a little kid being like, fact. And that's it. That's all we need to say it. Right now my daughter says yuck you in rapid succession. And so the first couple of times my wife and I heard it, we looked at each other like, who says that? We're not walking around in this house saying that to each other.

Like, we thought of that. And then they were like, oh, it's yuck you. But even so now I still think I hear stuff as I walk by. I'm like, what is? Yeah. Well, that about covers New Jersey, I think. Ryan, did you have any final thoughts on either Housewives as a whole or specific to the episodes that we watch this week? Yeah, I mean, you know, I can see the appeal of a show like this in the sense that it's unchallenging.

You know Is it though? I don't know Maybe there's intricate depths It depends how much you choose to invest in it I think that's a personal choice on the viewer's part Yeah Well I mean

Here's the thing It's uh It showed me that at least they're different Is my impression I was like oh Miami seems a bit different than New Jersey So at least they're not like totally cloning the formula You know I don't

it's kind of strange to watch shows that are kind of premised around like just rich people fucking about um you know i uh that that part of it i'm like eh you know i i don't need to see people having a good time with a bunch of weird you know maybe good for you i always get hungry they always have good food you know when i watch that kind of stuff but yeah i uh i appreciate uh you know, the stuff that I saw going on. Yeah, I would say like, I wouldn't use the word on challenging necessarily to describe real housewives because I think that, like Dylan said, depending on what you're putting into it, you can get a lot out of it.

And even with like the episode that we saw with Adriana, I think it was challenging to put yourself into her perspective and also like see how wrong she is and right all the housewives they operate in um i mean housewives are not like it's not a binary like good and bad they fluctuate between like hero and villain all the time and it is it is interesting and i would say it's challenging to watch someone that you have gone season after season sort of riding for become the villain and get that villain at it. It challenges you to to evaluate your perspective on them and situations.

And I think it, I, yeah, I do think that it is, it is challenging. And also to look, this is something that I don't think you'd be able to watch, just watching it in isolation. like we have our guests do, but to watch a scene play out between hostwives that have been on the show for years and think about previous seasons

and what actions and events informed their process for interacting in that, like in their decision-making, how they're responding to other characters and just how those relationships evolve and the way they tackle that. So I think that that is one thing that is pretty difficult to get across by just watching a couple episodes in isolation. But I do think that this was a good example specifically for Adriana of seeing the duality of a character on one of these shows.

Right. Yeah, I think the relationship. the audience has to Adriana as a good example of the kind of yeah I could say complexity or difficulty you have in relationship with some of these characters I mean she basically turns herself into like piggy from Lord of the Flies where it's like it's easy to sympathize with her and easy to sympathize with the people who are pissed off with her at the same time yeah and the way that like the actual humanity of the characters is is richer than what the story arcs are because the story arcs they try to enforce can only involve yeah like

hero arcs, villain arcs and things like that but the things that the actual characters are going through there's there's hints of more to it than just that and in terms of like I think not trying to criticize what you're saying too much right like a guy totally totally get where you're coming from but like the idea that it's just rich people having a good time most of them having a bad time. It's not like everybody's just like, my life is awesome. They might sometimes they'll say my life is awesome and you don't believe them. But it's like there's also a lot of like discomfort and like unease and sadness going on to.

Like a lot of these people are really like struggling with like their self identity and life and stuff in ways that are that can be interesting. Oh yeah. I guess that's true. It's like as their relationship dissolve and like. they get they're always so crazy about their money to in the like they when it comes to like divorce and stuff like you guys are describing at the top of the episode with whatever's going on with potomac and somebody at the end of their divorce or whatever losing their house and stuff like I guess

that's really interesting and it's like you know uh what yeah their positions often aren't as stable as they would like you to think they are and and things will happen that make you realize that like a sudden divorce when suddenly it turns out they don't have any control over their own finances. Yeah, on a lot of these shows, you'll see like the extravagant houses that they're living in. But often they, those houses will just be rented for the season while they're, while they're shooting. So they're not actually owned. As Mia was saying, she was renting like three residents and none of them were owned. And now she's underwater.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I will say another thing that I thought would be an interesting production choice was getting the backstory for Danielle's family drama explained to Melissa. I brought this up during the highlight section, but I think that one thing that is hard to, it's hard to communicate to someone that doesn't watch the shows, how. heavy of a hand like producers and editors how it's really a medium for them to do storytelling.

I mean, when people try to when people have, they often talk about how contrived certain elements of housewives are as kind of a negative thing. But actually like I find it personally very interesting how a set of producers and editors will construct these situations for in order to create conflict and have things play out and use their, you know, their jobs as a way of creating this, this art and telling stories. And I thought that this was a

really good example of, you know, seeing the sculptor's hands. Yeah, exactly. Producer's storytelling for sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. Dylan, how about you? Any final thoughts on either of the episodes that we watched?

Final thoughts? No, not really. I do like that. I've already mentioned that I like to bring more of Daniels family. I just like that Daniels becoming a more, like, well-rounded character with each episode. I think that auger's well for the for her the rest of the season more so than for Rachel who was like they're they tried to build a little bit more in Rachel's backstory too. I just thought it didn't have as much of a yeah of an impact. Um yeah you know she talks about how she's got the

cutest kid in the world her and her kid's like a three out of five at best like I'm not bagged. But so between the two like newcomers, uh, you know, there's one that's that's going great and one that's going okay um yeah daniel is having a breakout season oh yeah breakout rookie season and i definitely agree rachel is having a bit less remarkable of an intro yeah um they did like you said try to elicit some uh sympathy when she was talking about wanting another kid and yeah getting her sunroof cut open yeah yeah that's a weird way to say cesarian hey yeah i also like when she starts crying a little bit and John very awkwardly is like, let me take a pause here.

My wife is crying. Yeah. The most Jersey accent possible. Let's take a pause here. My wife's crying here. Yeah. That was funny. Well, I think that about does it for the Bravo outsider today.

Ryan, thank you for joining us. Do you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Oh, no. Don't. Don't find me. Give me your whole address. Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm just a guy.

I enjoyed this. Thank you very much for the opportunity to be here. You can find me on Pinterest. I don't know my username, but if you come across a board that's called effing the swear word food man, that's me, thinking of sufi and smoking. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, well, you can search him on LinkedIn. I'm sure you'll find him on there. Yeah, get at me on the line. Yeah. Dylan, how about you? As always, you can find me talking about horror movies on the podcast Mind Over Splatter, and you can find me on Substack where I put various thoughts about various movies. And we've got a link to his substack on our web page.

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