Oscars Outsider - Keyser Söze Moment (VPR S10E15 Finale, RHONJ S13E15 Finale)

Episode Date: May 19, 2023

Join Craig Midwinter and Dylan Ferguson on the latest episode of the Bravo Outsider Podcast! This episode is a rollercoaster ride, starting with a serious note on the Nile Crocodile situation, and then diving headfirst into the raw and emotional world of Vanderpump Rules. 🐊🎬 🔹 Discussion Highlights 🔹 * The tension between Tom and Ariana, and Ariana's strength in the face of adversity. * The impact of the cheating scandal on Tom Sandoval and Tom Schwartz's bar's Yelp rating and their friendship's reputation. * James' mean-spirited phone call to Raquel and Ariana's ultimatum about filming with Tom and Raquel. * Tom Schwartz's dog drop-off at Katie's apartment and the leverage Katie has in the cheating scandal. * Our disappointment in Kristen's return and our desire for Stassi and Jax to return to the show. * The emotional conversation between Tom Sandoval and Sheena, and the possibility of repairing relationships. * The season finale of Real Housewives of New Jersey, Teresa's skillful orchestration of drama, and the wild behavior of Louis, Teresa's fiancé. * Louie's strange behavior, Teresa's motivation for getting engaged to him, and Jennifer Aden's drunken antics at the season finale party. * Danielle's reveal of Jennifer Ayden's cheating rumors and Melissa's suspicion of Teresa's involvement in the rumor. We also tease our upcoming coverage of the Vanderpump Rules reunion. 🎢🎥 Don't miss out on this thrilling episode of the Bravo Outsider Podcast! Tune in, subscribe, and let's dive into the drama together! 🎧🔥 Find Dylan on substack at https://dylanferguson.substack.com/ Music by FASSounds [https://pixabay.com/users/fassounds-3433550/?utm_source=link-attribution&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=music&utm_content=112194] from Pixabay [https://pixabay.com//?utm_source=link-attribution&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=music&utm_content=112194] #BravoOutsiderPodcast #VanderpumpRules #RealHousewivesOfNewJersey #RealityTV #Podcast

In light of ongoing circumstances, it is with a somber tone that we commence today's episode. Our heartfelt thoughts and utmost concern are with each and every one of you. We kindly remind our listeners, especially those of us joining from Florida, to remain ever vigilant and prioritize your safety as we navigate the presence of the menacing man-eating Nile Crocodiles. Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter and with me as always as my, my co-host Dylan Ferguson. Dylan, how's it going? Oh, pretty good, pretty good.

Coasted on not very much sleep by the last night, but do it just fine. I'm going to get all the energy I need from thinking about these incredible explosive episodes. Oh, yeah. It was a fantastic week of television. Unfortunately, our scheduled guests today is sheltering in place from the crocodiles. So he's not able to join us, but it's our duty to you as a listener to give our hot takes on this. Yeah, as hard as it is, especially after a crocodile ate Rose the horse. We still have to Zolteron.

You know what? Honestly, I was thinking about if we are outsider and then how much you would feel like bear grills thrown out of a helicopter to just watch two season fineries. Yeah. Wrapping up so much drama. It would be so disorienting. I know.

I was going to like apologize in advance because especially this episode of Vanderpump rules without context be like you would have such whiplash I feel like it was it was amazing television but you definitely need at least the context of you know the happenings of the season yeah they didn't even really bother to like establish the characters the way they normally did they're just like this one is for people who know exactly what's going on yeah for sure um let's dive right into vanderpump rules um i i feel like this whole episode it was so raw and like everything was just laid bare.

I thought it was, it was so compelling. Yeah. No, honestly, honestly, incredible. Amazing, amazing episode.

Like, I would say that the quality of the filmmaking is like, was like a little rough compared to some of them in terms of like camera setups where like seemed very basic. Like they, they seem to have kind of rushed it with a skeleton group. But the content that we get, the emotional content like you said was was brutal.

and like so much like a much deeper soul searching than what you normally get than the episodes. And it was great. One of my favorite episodes of the show ever, which makes one of my favorite episodes of every show ever because as I've said before, this is my favorite show ever. Yeah. No, it's it's it was crazy to have it juxtapose against last week's episode. Um, I think that like you said, last week's episode, it was so much more polished. And, um, I feel like it was very, um,

narratively strong and very like tied to the season's arc as a whole. And this episode is definitely like a bit removed, but you do need that context. It felt like kind of very polar opposites in terms of, you know, the spectrum of storytelling that you get on reality TV. And like you said, this is like not,

it doesn't have the production quality that you see a lot. But on Vanderpump rules, like Vanderpump Rules and most Bravo shows are very polished. And this was kind of like the production quality of, you know, like a pawn stars level reality TV show. But the content was just, it was so emotional and raw and compelling that I don't think that that hurt it at all. No, not at all. It helped it. It made it feel extra documentarian. Yeah.

Okay, so where this episode it kicks off. It opens with the Watch What Happens Live clip where Andy asks which Tom is hotter. And we get this like emphasized look at the reaction from Raquel as she's kind of like let her mask down and said that Sandoval is hotter Tom. And it is so amazing to me that this coincided. this was like the night that shit went down and Scandibald ended up like breaking the next day. I just thought that the way that this episode was introduced was really amazing. Yeah, it was lots of fun. I really loved the like the timestamps on just introducing when everything happens,

establishing a timeline. Just very overdramatic. I love how overdramatic it is. Yeah. And I also really appreciate how, you know, we got this really, like, serious. I love when they do like the serious, like, hard nose, almost like, date line type edit of things. And then it goes into this intro with shots of, like, L.A. and a sun shower with this, like, the sun keeps shining music. Yeah, a bit of whiplash.

Um, and we open like right on Ariana and, uh, being like supported by her friend Meredith with Tom kind of just lumbering around the, the house that they share still with his AirPods in. Um, it just really like thick tension in the air. And I loved how that was communicated to us as a viewer. Like, you could just. feel that tension. They didn't have to do much to get that across. It was just thrust upon you. And you felt like Meredith in the room. I love that there was this proxy for us as a viewer in Meredith, just like dealing with this heavy situation and being in the thick of the emotion

and, you know, having to deal with the awkwardness. You emphasize with the camera people being like, Oh shit, do I really got to be in the room with them now? And they don't want me here. Fuck. Yeah, I want to leave with Meredith. Meredith, like, leaves and asks Ariana if, like, she wants anything. And she says no.

And then the next thing that happens is Tom asking Ariana if she wants anything. And she does want something from him. She wants him to die. Yeah. Amazing soon. Really, the conversation, though, was just that they, that Tom, area to have. I thought was incredible.

I mean, we've had a couple good breakup or post-breakup conversations this season, which I've highlighted when they've come up. But this one kind of takes the cake. We're very, a very raw example of like both trying to express the ways that you feel in that situation and like trying to talk around it when you can't express what you feel, I guess it was very, uh, very relatable,

I thought very, very real. Yeah. And I, I thought that Ariana, like watching this, she was giving a very like, practice this speech in the shower energy

about the way that she was delivering it. She had lines that were definitely pre-prepared. Yeah, but I, which is fair. Oh, yeah. And also,

like, who doesn't? Who doesn't go into a situation like this? Where they have to deal with the fallout of like a break. up or whatever without rehearsing how they're going to like what they're going to say and like composing themselves before and you know i obviously like that's just you're human that's that's how you operate but like whenever i do something like that i always am fumbling over my words and like i don't come across and she is able to like execute like an assassin on the things that she wants to say and

come across and maybe that's just being this like media trained personality that gives her that those skills. But I wish that my like shower speeches came across half as well. Well, she also has like the righteousness that comes with being the victim in the situation. And I think that gives you a kind of clarity of purpose where you don't really doubt what you're saying as much. Yeah. And Tom makes every effort to turn that around on her. Like he tries to like cut at that leverage by saying, how unhappy they were in the relationship, which is maybe true. But you see Tom as this like manipulator here and someone who is probably usually very skilled at manipulating things and turning situations around so that they are the victim and they

have the leverage. But here, Ariana is very resistant against that. Sure. I mean, she's not willing to engage with his arguments, which is fair. She doesn't have to. It's kind of her right in that situation to not. I do think Tom does a pretty good job trying to express his mindset, which of course she doesn't want to hear at that moment.

But I feel like he is doing a decent job trying to be honest with his own feelings and his own reasons, even if there are obviously not reasons that are going to make sense to her. I thought he was digging pretty deep into honesty in a lot of the scenes of this episode. I actually, I liked Sandel. of all more than I ever have in these moments. As weird as that sounds. Yeah, just because I thought we saw more of his like pressure points, more of what like actually scares him.

The, you know, the, the deep-seated fears and insecurities that, that are kind of being, there's a light being cast on them. Yeah. Yeah, I think his motivations and his like, yeah, like the, it's a fear. based thing. He's, um, he doesn't come out and say it's like full blown like a midlife crisis, but more or less every, all the words that he's saying kind of communicate that. Yeah, he, he straight up says like I turned 40 and like felt washed up and, uh, and I didn't have, I needed to get my mojo back somehow. Like, yeah, he pretty much puts it on those in a midlife

crisis language. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I think like, I don't, I don't. I didn't really feel sympathy. Like, all along I've been, all through this season, I feel like I have been very sympathetic towards Raquel, at least. Sandoval, I didn't, like, gain a lot of sympathy for him watching this episode, to be completely honest. And I felt that some of the scenes where he was, like, putting on the waterworks and crying came across as a little fake. like he was, I don't know, it just kind of seemed a little timed, especially when he's at like Villa Rosa and, you know, crying to Lisa and seeming like he's like faking a panic attack. It just, he didn't sell it to me.

Maybe I'm just more gullible than you are, but I don't think he's, I don't think he's a good enough of an actor for that. I bought it. I thought that this was a guy that was really going through a crisis. And again, maybe that's just my susceptibility. But I saw him as a person in real crisis, not the most sympathetic person in the situation because he's the person who did this. He's not the victim. So not saying that in terms of judging his actions, but in terms of like him being in a really rough emotional situation, I was actually kind of sympathizing with that. Yeah.

I want to get back a little bit to area. in this scene because she definitely did seem like I felt more sympathetic to her. I feel like a bit later in this episode, we got a clip where it's Jack's calling out Tom and Ariana's relationship as being like a bit of a facade. And that is a perspective that I definitely like bought into watching this season. The fact that they were almost pretending to be a couple and like their relationship was more of a brand than an actual honest relationship. But then watching this scene, that completely went away.

Like, you could feel that Ariana did actually love Tom. Like, she says, like, I would follow you anywhere. I would change anything about myself. And the way that she says that, you, like, I bought it completely. Yeah. And what really affected me was, like, she says something like, I wish I didn't miss him. And now I feel like what I miss isn't real.

And I thought that was a great encapsulation of what is so painful about ending a long-term relationship abruptly. Yeah. The idea that you lose a big part of yourself because so much of your personality and identity is wrapped up in another person, but also it becomes like a retcon of your own history. Like it feels like so much of your past life has been undercut. It's colored by that. Yeah.

Has been colored by that. and it feels less real, like she says, like it feels like it's fake, like so much that was so real to you, that was so important to you for so long, suddenly feels like it's been retroactively edited into something that's, that's not real. And that's a very, very harmful thing to have to internalize. That's really, really hard to deal with. So that was kind of the line that really drove home the, the relatability of the pain she's going through right now. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And Ariana had like so many great lines. this this conversation like she could start a uh a james may t-shirt line with with all these sayings on them like i regret ever loving you any last words before we never speak again type

thing like so amazing yeah but next uh sand of all goes over to tom schwartz and uh we get another very emotional scene by two people with a very long-term relationship sure and it's it's meaningful that Sandoval kind of can't say, I'm sorry to Arianna and can't stop saying it to Tom Schwartz. Yeah. Because, you know, it's no secret. That's the real relationship on the show. Like, that's the, this is the most loving relationship that's between these two guys. So it's, you kind of see that in this scene, how that I think Sandoval feels absolutely

gutted about what's happened, what he has done to his, his relationship with Eric. but he's also really emotional about having betrayed Schwartz's trust because those dudes love each other and support each other throughout their worst moments. Yeah, I think one thing that we see during the course of this season is that like Schwartz and Sandys the bar is this like physical manifestation of this love between Tom Schwartz and Tom Sandoval and how often it gets used as a device in that way is really compelling to me. Like, we see how Tom Schwartz has kind of let this be the, um, the crux of his like breakup with, with Katie.

Um, but really like we have seen this relationship between Tom Sandoval and Tom Schwartz, like he rode at the relationship between Tom, uh, Schwartz and, and Katie for, for so long. And, um, so to see this conversation. where they are talking about the they're they're really talking about their relationship when they are talking about the bar and their concern for for it and uh schwartz is saying you know we went from four point eight stars on on yelp to one and like yeah the bar did but also you know people's view of them as this like goofy like duo this like uh guy friendship goals type persona that they have put up there has gone from 4.8 stars to one as well.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's something that Schwartz complains about what he's talking to Katie, too. Like they have invested a lot of money and also their reputations in this. And yeah, it's a great point. Do you feel like the bar is the physical manifestation of everything that they've invested in each other? You know, their conception. of themselves, their time.

It's like this space where they feel like it's holding all of this. And if Sandoval just kind of kicked it over and spilled it out, it's painful for both of them. Yeah. And I think that, like, Schwartz was a lot more complicit in, like, hiding this than he is, you know, trying to get credit for. Yeah. People who are, like, willing to fess up to what they've done rarely start talking about mad eating crocodiles. when their questions got to them.

But it did seem like I did get a little bit of a sense of like betrayal from like Schwartz was feeling betrayed. And I don't know that he is entitled to that feeling really because he was along for the ride like clearly. And he's not even very good at covering up the fact that he has known for a long time. He's like, well, you had a game plan. you just didn't put it into action and stuff like this. And he's looking for a bit more of an apology than Sandoval is, like, willing to give him.

And he's, I think he's looking for more an apology than he's actually entitled to. And Sandoval just gives him, well, stay off social media. Like, no, yeah, I get that that shorts feels betrayed, but you're right. He's, he's, like, totally Sandoval has been, like, confiding to him this whole time. Like, that game plan comment demonstrates. So, I mean, yeah, he's known what's been going on the whole time. Yeah. And I mean, just like some of the nonsense, like, timeline that you get out of Tom Schwartz

are that we've gotten in various interviews and like the preview clips for the reunion and then this, nothing matches. And like, I couldn't think of a worse co-conspirator, like, try to like cover things up. And Schwartz just cannot hold it together. Oh, yeah. But then we get like an amazing scene where Ariana's back at their shared house and she's surrounded by a bunch of friends, including like Logan, the TomTom server. Yeah. Yeah, good to know that she's well supported.

And even Sheena and Katie are going to bury the hatchet for her. Yeah, I thought that this was really, really funny. Like as soon as Katie walks in, she was like, I think we can agree to. like put our shit aside right now and they're like all in as a as a team together. But we also got the the breaking of the penis flute in this scene to like a smattering of golf applause. Yeah, that was pretty weird. But one of the most notable like takeaways from this scene for me was like getting

Sheena's point of view on this alleged altercation that happened. between her and Raquel after watch what happens live. The source of the restraining order that Raquel had placed against her where she claimed that Sheena hit her. But as we all know, it's scientifically impossible for Sheena to make a fist. Scientifically impossible. Those nails are always on. And it's just like, if I put my thumb inside, I'd break my thumb.

Well, you can put it outside. I mean, you don't have to put it inside this. I mean, I don't think she, like, convinced me of what she was intending to, like, convince me as a viewer of, but she did convince me that she didn't, like, throw a punch. Like, I don't believe that she, like, can't throw a punch, but I believe that she doesn't, like, know how to throw a punch after, like, hearing this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it also, like, it's kind of academic, isn't it? Whether it's like a punch or a scratch or a push, like, whatever.

You did a physical assault of some sort or other. Yeah. This scene wasn't like particularly, like emotionally dense, I don't think. But it did help, like, flesh out the timeline of how things happen, both, you know, immediately following Sandoval with, like, or Scandibol, with what happened after watch what happens live. And also we get some insight into like the very start of this affair. And having it happened like right after Girls Night on the during the like the guys night

that we saw during this season. Yeah. And hearing that, you know, Raquel and Tom fucked in her car. And then he didn't have a key to get into the house. So he had to ring the doorbell right after. And Ariana had to let him into into the. the house. Like, it doesn't make the, um, the act any worse, but it makes it more real and like definitely gives you like a pit in your stomach, like thinking about that. You feel like, you feel dirty.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I can see Sandoval's perspective and imagine like how he feels like like, like, ringing on the door afterwards and just like feeling like he's crawling through barbed wire after, after he did that. Like probably like smelling like sex in a car. Yeah. But it is pretty interesting to find out that it happened for the first time, like kind of right after Raquel came back from that disastrous girl's trip where everybody was treating her like shit. And she just goes and sleeps with one of the guys. It's like, that's why you get back on your feet. Yeah, for sure. And yeah, watching those girls trip episodes, like that's kind of a low point for Reckiq. in terms of like how she's probably feeling about herself and her ability to like fit in. And so you can kind of see how she would be, you know, looking for some sense of security within,

within the group. And, you know, that might motivate her or make her more susceptible to like Tom Sandoval's advances. Oh, yeah, for sure. She, she needed something to shore up her sense of self, which was deeply shaken, I'm sure, after that. What did you think about the next scene that we got with at James and Alley's? Just James getting on my nerves again. He says something like, it scares me how people can do this. Shut up, dude. What are you talking about? This guy's been on the show about people cheating on each other for years and he wants to

Elle Allie, like, I'm shook to my core. Somebody cheated on somebody. And just like what he does, like, he calls Raquel like a odd speaker phone with everybody around. Amazing. Absolutely delighted that he gets to do his favorite thing in the world, be really mean to a woman and have everybody not be angry at him for it for once, but actually be applauding him for it. So happy he gets to do that. This was like an amazing moment for me because, you know, I feel like viewers are just like wanting some sort of like catharsis. They're wanting someone to like chew into Raquel.

They want someone to be petty. They want someone to be childish. And like James is like the perfect person. Yeah, exactly. And he gets to go and do it like gleefully. And it was, you know, it was just amazing to watch this happen. And he gets to be like this like mean junior high girl like calling someone they don't like to make them feel shitty about themselves when they're already probably feeling really shitty about themselves. Yeah.

The James Kennedy specialty. Yeah. Up next we had the the scene at Raquel's where we, I think it's the only time that we actually saw Raquel during this. Yeah. Yeah. I think we only get the one scene. I mean, in a couple confessional moments, I guess. I'm happy to see the galaxy light come back.

Again, another great use of it when it's like kind of dim where Sandoval slouched on one edge of her kitchen. And then he's like, dude, can we turn the lights off at here? And then it's like, when you turn the lights down, then the galaxy is not just on her, but on him too. Yeah. And this washed up 40-year-old gets to feel a little, a little slight bloom again at his darkest moment.

Yeah, I really love this, like, lights going off as kind of the galaxy narrowing on them. Their galaxy got quite a bit smaller after these events, but they're still, you know, together. They're the only ones under it. It was amazing to see the galaxy light come back and see that, you know, narrative get tied up nicely. Yeah, yeah, for sure. We also found out that Raquel's mom hates Tom Sandemol. Have we ever seen Raquel's mom on the show? I'm trying to think.

No, I don't think so. Yeah. Not that I can remember. And Tom says that his family loves her, which Raquel thinks he's saying, I love you. And she says, oh, I love you too. Yeah. And he's like, I said my family, but I love you. you definitely was not expecting to have to say that on camera,

but kind of got backed into it. Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty funny. Yeah, and then next we had a scene with like Ariana at, at Villa Rosa. We got another one of these scenes later with Tom at Villa Rosa. What did you think about Lisa's perspective in comparison, you know, comparing the two scenes?

Um, you know, I haven't really, I thought that Lisa has had a pretty weird season. I mean, I'm, you know, I've got my pet theory that I think Lisa is kind of the real villain of the show. And I think if you, if you want to take that respect, if you could, uh, you could look at the fact that she's like very, she's willing to forgive Sandoval, which should be no surprise. She's willing to forgive everybody in her, her little nest, like she's forgiven Jackson James, each, a bunch of times. times for the various indiscretions they've done. And on the one hand, she does have a more mature perspective, obviously, so she can kind of, I think, see a longer view and see that maybe this idea that like Sandoval and Arietta are never going to speak again isn't like totally realistic.

Like they'll probably, or there's a good chance they'll just become friends eventually. It might take a while again, but that's often what happens after a long term. relationship and that's I think fine and good and healthy. So I don't, I'm not like going to completely get furious at Lisa for, for suggesting that, that, that, that there might be some kind of reconciliation down the, down the road and that Sandoval shouldn't be throwing out of the group because that's kind of my perspective too in the sense that all of these people have cheated before. And that's, that's a thing that's happened many times. and it's going to keep happening with this group and that's the foundation of the show, really. It is the foundation of the show. And that's one of the things that makes me feel kind of insane when people are acting so hysterically about this particular cheating.

It kind of feels at a certain point, like people went to a boxing match and we're like, oh, my God, those men are hitting each other. Like, yeah, you sat down and watched an episode of the show where people cheated each other. This is season 10. Welcome. But I think Lisa's ultimately is just like interested in and keeping the gang together. And we'll like make whatever gestures of like, oh, I'm horrified by your action temporarily that she needs to before moving on. Like she's done again and again and again throughout the show.

She's never really show and I don't think any kind of clear moral principle at any stage would deal with these people. Yeah, it's interesting. And this week it also came out that like Ariana has said that she does not want to like come back in film with Tom Sandoval and Raquel in the upcoming season. And Bravo like hates ultimatums. And I mean, I'm curious as to what you think or how you think this should be dealt with because I feel like this is kind of. kind of a misplay from Ariana. I think that right now, yes, she has a lot of support behind her because obviously people are sympathetic towards her. But for the health of the show, like, that conflict is so important.

And I feel like Tom Sandoval and Raquel are, you know, more important to the show now than Raquel is. And, you know, there's two different ways that she could have gone about handling this. One is saying, I don't want to film with them. The other is like uses us as an opportunity to go on your revenge tour. Go on like, you know, just like really build up this sympathy behind you and come out swinging. And I was pretty dissatisfied to see that she took this approach of, you know, kind of stonewalling. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if she just doesn't want to participate in the show anymore, fair, that's fine.

That's what she really wants. If it's, like, more important to her to, like, build the brand or whatever, then from that perspective, I guess, like, yeah, it might be a mistake because the show would probably just go on without her. And, and Sandoval and Raquel could be the new power couple at the show. You know, that's not unthinkable. It could happen, right? but if she just doesn't just wants like for personal non-publicity related reasons would rather just disengage from the whole thing then that's that's totally understandable too yeah for sure um we also got a scene where Tom Schwartz comes to Katie's apartment to drop off the dogs because

they still have a custody sharing arrangement over these dogs this was uh This was an amazing scene to me. I love, like, Katie being like, I need to talk to you about this. And then, like, Tom being like, oh, yeah, can I, can I have a Coke and then just goes and grabs a Coors Light? Yeah, yeah, I noticed that too. He's like, you had a Coke or something. And they're like, you don't want a Coke, man.

And then immediately, there's a beer. I'm like, yeah, that's what I thought. Why did you say Coke? It's just like saying, yeah, I knew a month ago when I knew seven months ago. Like, just say it first. Like, you're, she's got to know, like, two minutes later. So just say that first. Say I want a beer and I knew six months ago.

Just say it off the bat. It'll go better for you. Yeah. This was like a particularly interesting scene for me because I feel like there was a dynamic between Katie and Tom Schwartz that we like, I can't remember ever seeing on this show where Katie actually has like some leverage that she can use. more like calculated whereas usually she has to be like more emotional or she responds more emotionally um here she's you know like a dogged investigator like trying to grill tom schwartz about

what and when he knew uh yeah and uh she gets to have the the upper hand there and uh and schwartz gets to just like flop around like a like a fish on a kitchen counter which is just kind of funny Yeah, and I think she like, it was interesting when she called him like Tom Sandeval's bitch boy because that's really the look that we're seeing from Tom Schwartz this entire episode. Like his response is to, you know, just be Tom Sandibles. Tom Sandibals. Tom Sandibals bitch boy. Yeah, which is what he's always been. It's just now that he's facing the consequences of that for the first time. he's always been like happy to have that be part of us his public persona is like i'm i'm i'm the guy riding in the sidecar i'm the sidekick buddy and we're adorable where like uh we're the or the goofy dude straight dude couple straightish dude couple you know like we're uh and uh and he's

just happy to have that be part of his identity and now he has to uh to to see the the danger of tying himself to one guy like that yeah It's interesting that, like, I feel like Tom Sandoval looks at his relationships as like brands or tries to like brand all of his relationships. And I think that's something that he's really good at. Like Tom and Arianna have this brand. Tom and Tom have this brand together. And that's something that he is like actively cultivating. But then once you have like, once you take an action as like a person.

personal person that there's repercussions for that immediately tarnishes those brands. And so you see Tom Schwartz now experiencing the fallout for this and not really knowing how to avoid the consequences of the actions of someone else. Because Tom Schwartz is really good at avoiding the consequences of his own actions. He knows how to do that. He knows how to navigate those situations. but he's completely out of loss as how to navigate the consequences of Tom Sandival's actions. And he's trying to deflect anything that comes in.

Like, well, I didn't do anything wrong. It's like, well, buddy, like you did by proxy. Yeah. And now all the things that you actually did wrong during this whole timeline, that is getting emphasized due to the fact that your brand is so tied to Tom Sandival. Yeah. And it reminds you a little bit of wit back at the start of the season when Lala is grilling Schwartz for like going to play pickleball with Randall. And he's like, well, he's got a pickleball cord and I wanted to play or something. And it's like, like at a certain point, you've got to realize that like you may be like, I'm not doing anything wrong, but you're like making choices to like associate with people and support people that are doing bad things. And you can't just like keep being like, whoop, just the just the flow. lorpe doppy puppy who can't adult today like through all of these situations like you're getting pretty old to do that all the time. What did you think of the return of Kristen? Kristen Doty.

Happy to have her back. Feels great to have her back. I did think the return was a bit of a letdown. Yeah, me too. Just because she didn't do much. She showed up. She showed support. It was cute. It was nice when she shows up. And Dariena's like, can I get you anything? The water. And she's like an alcohol and she's like, one alcohol. That was cute when they have a little hug. And they're like, our ex-boyfriend. And it was nice. It was sort of sweet.

But she didn't really do anything. She burns a little piece of paper like the most like minimal like TikTok, which ritual that I've ever seen like very low, low effort. I guess when I knew that Kristen was coming back and when they give her a very dramatic walk on, I thought maybe she would talk to Sandoval. I thought maybe she would confront somebody. That's what I was hoping to. But there was, you know, no confrontation.

She was just there to show a bit of support, which is nice, which is cute. But not the explosive return of Kristen that you might have hoped. Just see. Yeah, I was really hoping that we would get like the crazy Kristen, you know, where she's like, after getting like fired up by seeing how emotional Ariana is, like chasing down, finding where Tom Sandival is and confronting him. Yeah, I expect her. Yeah, expected her to act like, you know, like Batman coming out of retirement or something.

Be like, now is what the people need me most. You called me an unhinged vigilante before. Now is when my services are required. Yeah. But no, maybe they didn't want to have none of the show. Maybe she's just mellowed with age. But it was definitely not what I was kind of hoping it would be. if she comes back for next season, that would be a, that would be very welcome, though.

Because, you know, I advocate for for general amnesty. I want everybody back. Yeah. Without excusing what they've done, they're fired for very good reason and deserve to be fired. I still want them back, though. Yeah. That's another thing that, like, watching these episodes where we get old clips, just seeing Stasi, who was, like, you said, fired for very good reason. But she was so good on the show.

Like she was a very great reality one of the best to ever do it. Yeah. I love Stacey. Amazing personality. You kind of like forget like having her having her gone. You forget how good she was. It would be amazing to get her back. Yeah.

And Jacks too. Bring them all back. Make Miami Girl a cast memory. I could do without Brittany again to be honest. Like I feel like Brittany actually holds Jacks back. and maybe if they were to reduce her role, because I actually felt this way about like Brock last season with Sheena. I felt like Sheena didn't really like shine and she wasn't able to like make things happen

and operate in the same way that she normally is really effective at doing with Brock in the picture. And I feel that way about Brittany too. like Brittany Brittany has given us some like really iconic moments basically every time she yells raw in hell but that was a good

Britney wow yeah I know but I still think like I don't know she takes the edge off of Jacks a bit and that's just kind of unfortunate to see yeah

I mean yeah Jacks might be taking the edge off himself just because he's getting older but probably not. I don't know. It would be something to see, to see where everybody's at,

you know, a few years after, a few years later since the last time we've seen them. But just idle speculation. I don't think we're ever going to get that. Yeah. Well, this, this episode ends with two amazing scenes. The first one is the funeral on the rooftop.

I thought it was amazing that everyone is like dress in black and then, you know, Ariana comes in that had to have been coordinated, but it was just like visually very striking. And one of the things that I love about Vanderbump rules and Bravo shows in general is like, there is this like visual storytelling that you can really read into and analyze. They take the care to like do that sort of thing. Totally. And I thought it was amazing.

Yeah. And that like fucking Gustav Klimt-ass dress that Ariana was wearing, gorgeous. That was an amazing dress. Wow. Yeah. Ariana is like leaning into the revenge dresses. Like the reunion dress. Like any time that she's posting on social media, like she's really going for that like Lady Diana revenge dress moment.

Yeah. Except their dresses are actually good unlike Lady Diana's dresses. Yeah. But yeah, everyone says, oh, this like, this feels like a funeral or it looks like a funeral and um they immediately like are talking like it's the funeral of tom sandable but it's actually the funeral of tom schwartz because i think he is like the final knife in uh in tom schwartz happens during this scene when he shows up and has his like one-on-one conversation with ariana uh yeah i mean he must have known what he was walking into

at that point, but wanted to get his screen time in all the same, tried to, you know, tried to show that he was on the right team, which wasn't going to work. Nobody was going to buy that. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that. It seemed like his motivation wasn't to console Ariana even. He went in with the motivation to defend the bar and be like, you know, we built a family

there, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Arian was like, well, he, like, fucked over your family. He wasn't thinking about your family when he was doing this. And I feel like he was actually a little bit shocked and taken aback when he realized the severity of the emotions that Ariana felt towards him. And she's like, you know what? I'm not your friend anymore. Like, that I feel cut him because if there's one thing that,

Tom Schwartz wants. It's to be liked. It's to be people's friends. And that is his whole personality. And to see that get shattered, not just, you know, off camera, but on camera, get that, you know, that pain of glass broken. I think it actually shook him to his core. Yeah, I think so. And Schwartz and Ariana have always seemed to get along really well, too.

So I can understand why that was like very shocking. I mean, you should have seen it coming, but, you know, they always had such like a chummy, like collegial relationship. Like they were like, you know, frat roommates or something. And so I think it was kind of a knife in his chest that he should have anticipated but didn't fully prepare himself for. Yeah, I am curious about like how Ariana actually viewed the relationship between Tom Sandoval and Tom Schwartz. during the course of the relationship because Katie couldn't hide her annoyance at it. I feel like Ariana must have felt some way about it over the course of things, but both her and Tom Sandoval were very careful about protecting this facade of being this,

this perfect relationship. So I'm pretty curious to see, you know, what her actual emotions. are towards Tom Schwartz and she did seem like very not quick to like cut him but she was very quick to

like give her opinion to him and she was like not buying any of his shit yeah yeah for sure and then the final scene and it was interesting that they chose to end on this

I get that like in the narrative it happened two weeks later but really they didn't need to identify that because I think that it didn't need that that kind of preface but we saw Tom Sandoval going over to Sheena and Brock's place and having a one-on-one with Sheena and this is actually one of the most like impactful scenes out of this whole episode which is not what I was I was expecting Yeah, yeah, I wasn't expecting Sheena and Sandoval to be like such an emotional moment. But Sheeta was so raw there. And that was a very intense scene.

Like Sheeta seemed so real and so raw that she was devastated that she's losing a good friend too. Someone who like she says was always a booster for her since she started doing the show. And that's what's, you know, one thing that's really sad. about this is if they do all feel that now, like, this, this is a schism that's going to last forever. It's like, it's all these relationships that are going to be broken. And I don't think that that has to be the case, even if people don't want to hear that right now. I think, you know, you can be really furious that's, that somebody you've had a longstanding relationship for something they've done and still realize down the road that that doesn't mean that they can't be part of

your life at all. If you, uh, if you're getting something important, uh, from that relationship in your life. And I think there is that one discussion in Ireland and New House Ways of Jersey like a few weeks ago that that we talked about, which was, we mentioned then how it was an interesting contrast, just showing like kind of a more mature perspective from slightly older people towards like making those decisions about when somebody betrays you,

about what it's actually worth to cut them out of your life completely versus trying to maintain some form of relationship or reestablish some form of relationship down the line. And the point is that those are choices that you can make, even if in the moment you feel like you're not allowed to make that choice, that you only have one choice, which is like complete schism and separation forever. I just think, yeah, we really feel the weight of feeling that this has to be a final split that will last the rest of your life in this moment between Sand and and Sheena, who is not the person he was in a relationship,

who was not the person he directly betrayed, but who is somebody who has appreciated his friendship and now feels that through his reckless actions, he's destroyed her friendship as well. Yeah, I think like this is kind of the emotion that you would almost expect from Tom Sandelawall and Tom Schwartz, like a conversation to like happen. it felt like that level of betrayal. And yeah, like you said, like Tom Sandoval and and and and and

Sheena like they do go way back to the beginning of this and to see how much it has deeply affected Sheena and she is almost more emotionally raw or equally as emotionally raw as Ariana with with Tom Sandoval. And this is like two weeks removed from the scene that we got. between Ariana and Tom at the beginning of this. It was like very powerful. And I loved that Sheena like didn't hold back or didn't like allow herself to be manipulated by Sandoval. What he's trying to be like, oh, well, you know, we weren't happy.

And she's like, oh, well, so you fucked her best friend. I loved how emotionally strong Shina was through this. And yeah, I think you mentioned the impact of infidelity. And I think one of the things about like Scandival that I don't really love. I think overall it's a net benefit to the show. but it has like created a like a black and white point of view on things in a way that we don't usually see in reality television like people operate in like grays and things are nebulous and and in flux and you know people can redeem themselves and you see kind of a nuanced perspective

of but with Scandival, everyone is like, boom, like Raquel and Tom Sandival are evil. Ariana is good. This is like a clear cut almost, you know, fictional morality tale type point of view that we have to take on this. And we've seen like Lala especially like hitching up herself to this wagon and like building this like send it to Daryl brand and really. really like like trying to leverage that and obviously a good reality TV personality is going to leverage whatever momentum they can. But yeah, um, I do worry that,

you know, the meta has created a, uh, environment that is going to be difficult to overcome and, uh, persist this, um, this,

this, this friendship and like, you know, this group dynamic because people are so tied to, to being on the good side and not wanting to reconcile with the bad side. I agree completely. And I think that's, yeah, that is the negative consequence of the way this is being read, I think, is that I love the way that reality TV never conforms well to like good versus evil

narratives because you just, you see everybody as a bunch of people, relatable, messy, fucking up, being stupid, but being like recognizably, lovably, sloppily human. Yeah. And I think we see plenty of that in this season, which is why it's been a great season to me, but the insistence that people, viewers have to reacting to it as an extreme, like, almost like Maoist reading of like good people and bad people. There can be no sympathy allowed in there is really. unfortunate and it's just one of the unfortunate consequences I think of like

fandom in general and that's something I think we'll maybe talk about it in another episode but it's the thing that I like leased and and seeing people like devolve into like hate mobs over this and and trying to attack more nuanced takes because they're not sufficiently in line with like the prevailing dogma is just like a really unfortunate way to engage with the show. And I think if anybody wants to engage with it that way, I mean, live your life, do whatever you want. You know, read it however you want.

That's the fun of it. But I just, I think I would want to remind people to think about like why you started watching the show in the first place. Because it probably wasn't to join an online hate mob. It was probably because as you were entertained by these people, you found them funny and frustrating, but relatable and messy. and you enjoyed just the experience of shared humanity that you get from it. And I think you probably enjoyed that a lot more than you enjoy going online and calling somebody you don't even know a cut.

So maybe just remember that back. Remember why you hitched your wagon to this show in the first place. Yeah. And I think like one of the things that comes to mind when I'm watching like this play out is, is there's a difference between like inexcusable behavior and like someone's inability to be like redeemed or like to have any sort of like coming back from this because yes obviously tom sandival's actions are inexcusable and like he should receive like negativity for that but at the same time like reality TV like you said it's like it's a huge it's an exploration of humanity and we need to allow for us to explore what it looks like to come back from this and you know see the long-term ramifications of this but also see someone grow from it it's something that we see constantly on reality TV and this is

just a very like magnified instance of it so I really hope that it's not something something that ultimately prevents this show from going forward because I think it opens up a lot of opportunity for very interesting human exploration. Yeah, totally. And the show has done that again and again has shown people do terrible things and betray each other and then reconfigure into new relationships afterwards. And it feels like everybody's treating this as something that's on a different scale from those other ones. And in a certain extent, that's understandable. Some of these relationships have been built over a longer period of time than previous relationships have.

I kind of get to a certain extent why people are treating this as something different from other infidelities. But that doesn't mean that we should stop the project of watching people deal with the consequences of their actions and the consequences of other people's actions and then figure out how to keep going and figure out how best to live their lives moving forward because we've been watching these people do that for a long time. and it's been very instructive and interesting and fascinating, and I don't want it to stop. Yeah, absolutely.

Did you have any final thoughts on this episode before we move on to New Jersey? No, not really. I think that's, I mean, yeah, we're going to talk more about these people when we hopefully will do something or other to talk about the reunions, even though we don't normally do that, but I think it's going to be hard for us to ignore it. and we've been having discussions about that. So I don't think we're done talking about these people, but I think that's enough about this particular episode, which, again, just to re-underline was an amazing episode of television.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. This season of Vanderpump Rules has ranked up there in terms of like all the seasons of Vanderpump Rules. And I think Vanderpump Rules ranks up there not just with like great shows in reality TV, but just great television in general. Like, fantastic. We got to witness something very special. Yeah.

So we get the season finale kind of of Real Housewives of New Jersey here. This was billed as the season finale, but I guess there's a special coming out next week for Teresa's wedding. But this was a fantastic episode of Real Housewives of New Jersey as well, I think. Yeah. It was amazing how well I thought the one explosive party tied up multiple plot lines that had felt like distant from each other all sees along, but then seemed to all be part of the same issue when it finally blows up in that one seed. So I thought that was an amazing finale for that reason. Yeah.

You know how you like, if you ever go out and like watch improv, they've got that, I think it's called the Herald, the format where they've got. four different narratives that they're switching back and forth between scenes of. And then at the end, they try to like tie them all together. It really felt like that. It felt like, oh, all of this is coming together at once and tying itself in a nice, like, neat bow at this, this one explosive fight. Really, really rewarding as a viewer to see that because I didn't think that we would get the type of resolution that we seem to get in this finale. But you didn't think we got a resolution? No, no, no.

I didn't expect to get a type of resolution that we did get. Yeah, me either. What was so mind-blowing to be is that when we finally get the airing out of this bit of gossip about Melissa being in the back of a car with somebody, maybe kissing somebody, when it finally does come out through Danielle, which is how we kind of expected it to. Since Jennifer preceded that information in Daniel, she had. he'd become kind of the person whose job it seemed to be to eventually make it come out. But what blew my mind for me was the way it feels like you realize slowly that maybe Teresa's been the one who's been planning this thing all along.

For me, that was like when they put the question to Teresa during her confessional. And she was like, oh, I told them not to say it, but you know, you can't really control what people do. And for me, that was like, I, like, dropped my mug and watch it fall in slow motion. That was like, Kaiser Soze. That was the Kaiser Soze moment. That was the Kaiser Soze moment for me. I was like, oh my God, like, I think she's been like pulling these strings all along. And I, I was just oblivious to it. And I thought that Teresa was sort of out to lunch this season. And then when I see it, I'm like, no, these all go through her. All these, like, this bit of gossip, she's the one who's been manipulated, this bit of gossip. It hasn't been Margaret. hasn't been Jennifer Aiden.

It hasn't been Danielle. She's the one he's been using all of them to try to make this come out at the right moment. Yeah. Very, like, skillful. And it felt like, you know, two queens on a chessboard between Margaret and Teresa. Like, that's retrospect, like, that's a retrospective read that I got from this after watching. And Margie even comes up to, uh, to Tristan's like, oh, you, you let your girls do.

this like this is how you let your camp go very like mob boss like yeah after type uh type conversation between the two sides yeah really amazing yeah great stuff and and she did do it like really skillfully like she gets um melissa to blow up on her so she gets to be in the position of being just reacting like wow wow you're exploding and she gets to seem like she didn't do it a fucking thing like she never dropped a single sentence it was just everybody else was doing it on her behalf without necessarily knowing they're doing out on her behalf. Melissa gets to look unreasonable. Margaret gets to look unreasonable. She gets to look like just like, oh, what I don't, why don't I have to do this? I'm just, I'm just here. And it just showed that she's been playing a very masterful

game all along. And it was lost at me. I was underestimating her this whole season. Oh, yeah. She's truly one of the great. And I think she plays this like personality very effectively. There's also, like, there was a mob boss who, like, pretended to be, like, to have, like, some sort of, like, like, mental illness and, like, pretended to be, you know, he would, like, wander around in, like, slippers in a house coat. But he was actually the guy, like, pulling the strings behind the, behind the scenes. And he got away with this for, like, 30 years or something like that before it, like, before people caught. on that he was actually the one pulling the strength. I think Teresa plays that role like very well. Yeah, totally.

She comes across as, you know, very aloof and, you know, kind of just like operating on a scene by scene basis. But you watch her long enough. She's very calculated. Like this is, this is a front. She is way smarter than she puts it on. And she knows how to like strategize. and navigate these situations.

Yeah, totally. Yeah, great performance. And just a great final confrontation melee between multiple camps all converging together. Yeah, for sure. What were your highlights from this party scene? You know, I love Jennifer Aiden and getting really drunk. So I love that she was just really drunk.

And like, there's multiple shots of her trying to light up her fake prop cigarette. Really funny. And then, I mean, of course, we got talking about fucking Louis. This guy is, this guy is going off the deep end. Oh, my God.

It was just a little foretaste, the previous episode. What we got here is like full odd wild red-faced, coaked up Louis, uh, just like, a total character. And it's just like the transition between how he was putting himself off like earlier this season and now is just totally switching years.

And wow, what a weird guy. So that's the thing where it's like I kind of feel like at the end of it like, wow, you know, Teresa like won the season after all. And that almost gets like highlighted by like at the very end. It's like, and next time on Teresa gets married. Like, you know, crowning the queen here. But it's like she won with a huge asterisk. and that aster says she's getting married to Louis and where is the Joker yeah yeah and this is like this is a very strange camp to be to be hitching yourself too as much as I as I've said before I've adored watching

Louis as a character he's been an amazing he's taken me out an amazing ride but I don't know about getting married to this guy and that sounds very very dubious we'll see how it plays out but like it it's almost like a post script when we get at the when we have like a little sit down and he's like I've been consulting with like famous private investigator Bo Dietel and I have information on everybody and we're like okay that's a weird thing to say after a whole season of people being like talking about when it's appropriate to share information or seek information and other people and then Louis just being like yeah by the way I got dosies on everybody like what you're going to say that like right before the season

it ends like where is this going this is bizarre Bo Diele knows things about everyone in this room yeah I'm interested about this relationship between Louis and Teresa like I think some of it at least is motivated by the fact in order to operate on this show

you do like need a spouse like you do need a partner in order to be truly effective I feel like on real house. It's not the real house persons, right? But New Jersey, especially because there's that like strong family dynamic and because the husbands have this like, they've got a storyline of their own and there's a like really important dynamic there. If you want to be, you know, an effective part of this, you do need a confidant that is able to also operate in those situations. to some degree and make things happen there.

Because otherwise, if you don't have someone in there, like, mixing things up and being the agitator, that's just a situation where all of the other women who are playing the same chess game, they're able to execute moves via their partners at the same time that you don't have any say in. And as much as, like, we see when these guys get together, it's, like, fun. it's ball busting and all this we got clips where there are like there are pieces in motion and in play at these guys like gatherings we saw like bill aiden talking to joe gorga being like you know oh that that's your sister like you need to be there and like they're working when they're doing that they're like executing things on behalf like strategically on behalf of their wives um so to not have like a

peace at that table. Even if you aren't able to control them, but like you need someone there fighting on your behalf that like is going to be on your side. So I feel like there is some motivation there that is driving her to have, you know, have someone at that table. And she doesn't need to marry that person. I don't know why like she's doing that. But I feel like that at least initially motivated.

of the relationship. Yeah, that makes sense that reading. And I shouldn't underestimate Teresa because obviously I just did that. And I can acknowledge my mistake. So that does make sense that she would want to ally herself strongly with somebody who is willing and eager to get his hands dirty when she, in a way that will allow her to keep her hands clean. Somebody who would like go into the pit and do the dirty work and she won't have to be seen as the person doing it. like how he was the one who who gave the information to Joe

presumably on Teresa's behalf. Yeah. When Melissa is like, you know, Teresa went and talked to Joe about this and then Louis's like, nope, I did. You know,

there is where you can really see like the, the advantage of having him being like the, the henchman who actually can like shoulder the blame and be the guy who actually does the stuff on her behalf. So she doesn't have to be. seen as doing inappropriate things. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I also loved, like you said,

Jennifer Aiden getting really drunk here. I love that she was like, when she arrives at this, she's handed whiskey and we get a clip of her at the last time she had whiskey on screen and her just like at the table like dropping her. fork in in ireland um and everyone starts getting messy like really early and um before teresa even arrives like all the men's faces are like beat red tomato like you know that redness that you get when you're really loaded and um when daniel pulls jennifer aside um to talk she's like oh yeah i'm immune to keel like you know playing off that she's not drunk but clearly

like very drunk and then Danielle's like yeah I'm gonna tell Melissa about the about the thing and you can almost see like all the redness and Jen Aiden like drain like she was somehow not expecting this to like come out in this moment I feel like she thought that she was like coasting free but um and this is like sort of a backfiring of her plan to tell Danielle this I feel like it wasn't exactly intended that Danielle would bring this out there with, you know, in as close proximity to her as she was expecting. But I think the position that she was in in Ireland, she needed to like build capital and she needed to like get Danielle on her side and in in cahoots. So she was in a position where she needed to use that information and she did. And like, I think she

she actually did get off pretty scot-free on the consequences, even though I don't think she was expecting this. Yeah, I think the information drop was definitely foreseen by some people to a certain extent, though to what extent I'm not sure. I think it was like at least a partially planned thing. And I think Melissa definitely either knew it was coming or suspected it was coming because and from who it was going to be coming too. Because you see her early on immediately talking to Danielle, like, and what else do you have to say? Is there something else you want to tell me? Yeah. Like she seems to know that like this is kind of supposed to be this is being set up as the moment where the information comes out and that it's going to come out from Danielle.

That seems to be something that multiple people are aware of or suspect is the case. Yeah. And it didn't go, it didn't go too badly for Jen. I don't think because Margaret ends up looking like very unreasonable of this episode, which she usually does it, I think. Like she really loses her cool in a way that that plays to Jen's benefit because that's kind of what she was agitating for all season long was for people to see Margaret as being like vicious. Yeah. And I think she kind of gets that. She kind of gets that satisfaction of seeing Margaret look like.

the vicious person, which is what she kind of wants everybody to see her as at this moment. And for Danielle being the vehicle for this information, just I think a crowding moment for a great rookie season. Because being the newbie on the show, who is put in the position of being the person

to like drop the bomb in the finale and be the one who puts the information out feels like kind of like a sacrificial lamb position. Like we're setting it up. So you're the who's going to like bear the the full force of anger and that you're going to be the pawn that's going to be moved by that's going to be set up to be sacrificed for the queens like further back on the chessboard yeah and and and I think Danielle instead of like just being a sacrificial piece there like really held her own like went toe to toe with Margaret in a

in a strong way yeah I feel like Danielle wasn't actually obligated to like give this information up in terms of like the show. But I do think that this was going to come out with or without her if she didn't release it in this during this party. I think that, you know, Teresa would find a way or Jen would find a way to make this or the producers would find a way to make this happen. so like it would have taken like courage for Danielle to do this and I think she needed to do it for the sake of like just securing her spot next season to like come out and like prove to production that she can like make moves and make things happen and deal with the fallout in a really like dynamic engaging way and she she did that like she was immediately like in the after this happened. She wasn't like trying to back away from it. She's and she even told Jen like, okay, you know what? I'm I'm ready to be the person that this all falls, falls on. Like, and to Danielle's credit, we saw this scene where she was talking with, uh, Rachel and Melissa, I think. And

Rachel's like, um, well, if you were in my position and I had said something about Jennifer Aiden, you would go back and tell her, you would, you would rat her out too. And I think, like, Danielle proved that she, she didn't rat Jennifer out. Like, she proved that she's not a rat. Yeah. I mean, I think, like, Melissa and everybody knew where is coming from, but she makes a point of not saying it. Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. Great party move, Danielle, as, as Melissa shouted. Yeah. I love when Marge comes, it blows out the line. Low budget Betty and Danielle immediately snaps back with Old Hague Nancy.

Really funny. And Melissa is like really, I don't think Melissa actually knew that it came from Jen. I feel like she thought that it came from Teresa. Because Melissa is really driving at the like, who told you that, who told you that? And Danielle like, hold strong and is like, doesn't matter. Margaret said it. Margaret said it. And Melissa's like really looking for this to be like Trice's fault.

And Danielle is very strong and doesn't let that happen, which I thought was like really uncharacteristic of Housewives rookie season. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And then we get the like the title cards at the end. I loved Rachel's card where she took a trip to Disney to hang out with her favorite Rat Mickey.

Did you have any other highlights from Real House House of New Jersey? No, I mean, that about covers it. But wow, this was an amazing week of two incredible fineries. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think that about does it for the show this week. Any final thoughts on this week going into next week with the reunion episodes of Vanderbump Bruels? Um, be nice to Raquel, people. She didn't do anything wrong. Raquel did nothing wrong. That's my slogan.

Raquel did nothing wrong. If the critics are going to be hardliners, I'm going to be a hardliner too. She's fine. She's cool. She did nothing wrong. In fact, she's in the right in this situation. Yeah. Do you want to let everyone know where they can find? mind you? Yeah, if I'd be writing about movies on Substack, Dylan Ferguson. Awesome. As Dylan had mentioned earlier this episode, we are planning on doing some coverage of the Vanderpump Rules reunion. We're going to release special episodes, hopefully on the Thursdays

immediately following the reunions with some of our previous guests, getting their takes on it with knowing what they know now about Vanderpump Rules. We'll see what their outsider turned insider perspective is. Well, that's been Bravo Outsider for this week. You can find us on Instagram and TikTok at Bravo Outsider. We're on Twitter at Bravo underscore Outsider. We're online, bravoo outsider.com, and anywhere you find your podcast. You can also catch us on YouTube. Until next week, keep on wiping. Keep on wiping.