Oscars Outsider - Mt. Wifemore w/ Peter Oldring (RHONY S14E14 RHOSLC S04E06)

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

This week Craig and Dylan are joined by the hilarious Peter Oldring to discuss the Real Housewives of New York S14 finale and the latest episode of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. In our recap of Real Housewives of New York, we dive into the comedic goldmine that is Dante, the psychic to the housewives. We delve into the highlights of the New York Housewives finale-- We debate whether Jenna Lyons is at the top of the RHONY hierarchy, discuss the hilarious moments at Brynn Whitmore's birthday party, Erin Lichy's parrot costume, Jessel Taank's photo shoot, Ubah Hassan's man in Connecticut and Sai's honest attitude. In our analysis of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, we navigate through the outrageous accusations that kick-started the episode, Mary Cosby's icon status, and the absurdity of Angie and Sean's house filled with unusual pets. We discuss the role of the Mormon religion in the context of Real Housewives and how it affects the relationships among the cast members. Chapters 00:00 - Intro 01:24 - Peter Oldring's History with Real Housewives 04:58 - Housewives Mount Rushmore Find Dylan on substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://dylanferguson.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠ 11:50 - Real Housewives of New York Recap 33:54 - Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Recap 1:06:59 - Outro Find Peter Oldring on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/whatpetersaw/ Find Dexter Guff Is Smarter Than You on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5b74DVccizmUJeY0EjG6hn Find "The Devil You Don't" on Youtube: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tBassBNwKc&list=PLCGSy4_xHhBsbX0VlG3JDJwaiqsBkiGDj⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bravooutsider.com Music by FASSounds from Pixabay #rhoslc #rhony #bravo #realitytv #realhousewives #realhousewivesofnewyork #realhousewivesofsaltlakecity

Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter. Joining me, as always is Dylan Ferguson. Dylan, how's it going? Terrible. I'm just really hung over this morning. But happy to be here with you guys. Awesome.

Glad to be here. Joining us today is the very funny Peter Oldring. If you are based in Canada, you might know him from CBC's This Is That. He's also got an IMDB longer than Heather Debrow. Peter Oldring I'm Peter Oldring Money Can't Buy You Class Elegance is learned

Excellent That was a serve I felt like that goes Well I mean You know In honor of Lou Andusapps The Countess herself

Her short-lived but memorable music career Maybe it's still going I don't know But money can't buy you class Elegance is learned Do you think Did she ever use that as a tag Or that was just simply

That was her song I don't think she had that specifically. She definitely had something relating to class as a tag. Well, of course, because you've got to learn etiquette. Otherwise, I mean, you can have money, which is important too. But you've got to learn the etiquette too. So do you have much of like a background in reality TV? How much context did you have going into this?

I was an early adopter of the Real Housewives movement. And this is no joke. But I go way. back. We're talking about, you know, early days Beverly Hills, early days Orange County, early days New York. So I have not seen, like, I haven't seen one of the Housewives franchises for, oh my God, maybe like seven or so years. But early on, it was must see TV. Oh, yeah. And yeah, I was going to say one other thing, which is, in fact, I did one project, like a pilot for a, like a kids comedy show for Disney or something.

And the production company that did that project was the production company in charge of the OC and Beverly Hills. Oh, Evolution? Yes. Yeah. And so at the time, I was so deeply involved in both shows. And the fellow that I was talking to, Evolution was like, oh, yeah, well, they're the only production company

that was allowed to have two franchises. because I think a part of the deal is that, I don't know, they're all independently produced by different production companies, I guess. Okay, yeah. But anyways, and I had asked him, like, how do these housewives keep on coming back? I mean, they keep on, they are being destroyed, you know, on the program. They're saying things that are really potentially humiliating, embarrassing, whatever, and he was like, you know, the only thing with a lot of the folks on the show are the only thing worse than sort of being destroyed on the, on the show. show is simply not being on the program at all. So he was like, they are always kind of hungry to get back on and, you know, reveal their, reveal their deepest secrets amongst one another.

So there you go. Yeah, totally. And I imagine that like, that's probably the same across the board in all cities. But I imagine especially in the like the LA, California vicinity that, you know, they're especially hungry for any sort of attention. Oh, I would say so. I mean, you know, it's kind of, it's hard to imagine. I mean, it's funny because the OC, you definitely see it in Beverly Hills, but the OC was not something that I knew that much about, but it's like, this is kind of Hollywood, Los Angeles, the whole greater region, it's all about sort of, you know, being it somehow attached to the entertainment industry, going to the parties, going to the red carpets, baby. Yeah, totally. So have you noticed like a lot of differences between when you used to watch these shows

and the shows that you watch now? Well, you know, the first thing, So the first show that I watched for this podcast was the Salt Lake City. Oh, yeah. And honestly, I knew nothing about it. Like, that was, I was a baptism of fire to literally sit down and watch that episode. And the one thing that I, that really sort of like stood out to me is how fast these clips are. Like at the, and it's even, it's not quite as much in New York. But man, like launching into that Salt Lake City one, it was like, oh my gosh, you're

kind of on these like 10 second sound bites. It sort of felt like the beginning of that episode was like an extended introduction because it just seemed to be like so many quick hits of like, you know, one person saying something. And so I was kind of having a hard time going like, who in the hell? Who is that now?

So who is that? And at least on the New York one, they were sort of like giving some names before. Right. At least one of the characters or one of the housewives, you would sort of know, at least in the coupling who it was. So I did find it a little bit sort of.

hard to follow. But that being said, it's, it's just still as wonderful as it was back in the day. It's just still, I mean, I, of course, I, you know, I have my favorites that I don't see any more accountess who I mentioned, obviously. You know, I think about Ramona. My darling, Ramona, we don't know where, yes, we don't know, I don't know where she is. I'm thinking about, like, on the O.C. side, oh, Vicki Gunderson. Oh, yeah. And filling her tank. Yeah. And, you know, of course, Lisa Vanderpump.

I mean, it's, you know, these are, these are, these are, these are, that's pretty good Mount Rushmore of, uh, yeah, yeah, totally. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Wouldn't that be one of the second Mount Rushmore? In a better, kinder world. It would have to be, it would have to be a massive mountain because there is, like, could you imagine the infighting?

It's like, no, no, no, I'm pretty sure I belong also on that mountain. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. You have to use the entire, like, rocky mountains from. Oh, my. Yeah. the constant. It's all of Colorado, a bit of Utah. It's all

in there. And even just sort of like them signing off on, I don't know that that's how I look. I'm not sure. They would have to keep redoing the nose every year because it keeps changing. Constant updates. Instead of chiseling it out of chiseling it out of rock, they would just sort of

like pour molds and then just kind of attach them, dangle them from the mountain peaks. So of the shows that we watched, do any of these housewives stand out as, you know, maybe belonging on that Mount Rushmore? Hmm. Well, you know, for probably for, it's so funny because, of course, you have, you have, the housewives in an episode that you kind of want to hate, right?

Like sort of like the, that are kind of really stirring the shit. And then you've got the ones that maybe you feel more attuned to, right? So like someone that sort of goes, yeah, it feels like they, maybe they have. Maybe they are a bit closer to my own moral compass. And so for both reasons, right? Because you kind of want the person who is like, who is like stirring the shit? And in the New York episode that I watched, which, by the way, was that the season finale? Yeah, it was.

Yeah. What an honor to have been brought in at the end and know nothing about the season. But then, you know, of course, I've pieced it all together from just watching that episode. I know what happened in the season from just that one episode. was Jenna. No, no, no. Yeah, Jenna, I sort of, okay, so Jenna, I kind of felt was like, at least in this episode,

I sort of felt she was maybe closer to like my own moral compass take on it. Like, oh, yeah, she's being a bit nuts. You're being this way. Like she sort of felt maybe just in this episode closer to like the more grounded quality. And then Brin, Brin, whose birthday it was, who seemed to take the entire episode basically stirring the shit. And then even as her birthday gift was to like go around, let's have a little, you know, a circle where we just like throw shit at each other. That's my birthday gift. I was like, yeah,

you know, for that alone and like her just sort of like then saying all she wants to is hang out with the husbands. And I think one of the other housewives was like, yeah, Bryn's birthday wish would be to just be beaten by a thousand dicks or something like this. I was like, yeah, that's kind of, that's verges on, on maybe belonging up on the Rushmore mantle. And then also, I think it was Sai, who was also, it seemed like Sy was maybe, she seemed to have like the shortest fuse and ready to kind of explode at any moment.

Like, and I would say like, because her and Jessel were kind of having a bit of a back and forth. But Jessel sort of still maintain this thing of like, I don't shout, don't shout now. And whereas Sy just sort of felt like, you know, she does not hold back. And then I even think at some point in the episode, she was like saying, you know,

You're both my friends. So I'm just going to like, she said something out of both sides of her mouth, but like, I fucking hate you and you're stupid as shit. And you're both my friends. So I can say that. Yeah. Okay. Nice friendship. Yeah.

This is a very strong cast. And it's actually surprising if you watch this and you don't have the context. They are all newcomers because this was a hard reboot this season. So none of the old cast from last season was returning. This is a fresh start. And a lot of them are very. like savvy housewives, like the type of performance that you'd expect to get from like a second or third season out of out of a housewife, we got this season from them. So you know, with it,

and maybe there's something about New York to because I think about, you know, the early days of the housewives franchise, the New York Housewives franchise, that there is just something about New Yorkers maybe in general, not to sort of like paint everyone with the same brush, but there is something about sort of whether you'd call it wearing your heart on your sleeve or not afraid of just kind of like cutting through the shit and and uh giving your earnest take on something. Maybe that's a bit of a stereotypical sort of New York attitude, but they all kind of have that savvy, uh, there's a almost a harder edge. And maybe it's like, you know, living in the big apple or whatever it is. But it's like they all kind of have that articulate sort of savvy edge

about them that is a bit more in your face, I think, than in a lot of other Housewives franchise. So maybe even just sort of that general energy, even though they haven't been in, you know, this is their first season together. It's just sort of generally having that energy as a person. You're just kind of like, I'm from New York and I just let it all hang out in there it is. This is how it is. This is my take. Yeah, it's one of the things that we've discussed on previous episodes of our podcast, just how,

like, the actual, like, physical space of being in New York. like the need to, because it's so dense, carve out your own space, how that impacts kind of this, this persona that you gain when you become a New Yorker and how that impacts the chemistry on this cast. Yeah, Sa in particular, I feel, really embodies that stereotypical idea of a New Yorker, where the idea that like being as loud and direct and in your face as possible just means that you're being honest and that's like the most like prize quality. Everybody's just expected to like just shout how you feel at each other's faces without hesitation. A little Bethany Frankel in there.

There you go. Yeah. Yeah. She says she does kind of remind me somewhere, you know, somewhere across between Bethany Frankel and then like I was saying, oh, her name's gone from my mind for a second. But it's because she does sort of have that sort of quintessential New York quality to her, you know, in your face. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. For sure. Well, since we're talking about New York, how. about let's talk about your highlights for this episode. For the New York episode. Yeah. Oh my God. Okay.

First of all, I love Dante Brin's psychic. It was a very short-lived moment, but I was kind of like, is there an easier job than being like, like, you know, a psychic to one of the housewives because I think his only,

his only reading as he was flipping over cards was like, you may be caught in the middle between two people that hate each other. And I'm going like, uh, yeah. Okay, wow, where did you get that wisdom from deep in those cards that you were able to pluck that from. So he was kind of shortly lived, but I was just sort of, I imaginatively went down the road of like, yeah, what are the things would he sort of say? Yes, you know, you may be at a party where you don't feel welcome.

When Brid goes to the washroom, he just calls over the production assistant and is like, can I just see her notes for this episode? Okay, I got it. Exactly, exactly. Why am I seeing bumper cars on ice? Sometime Monday starting at 8 a.m. So it was a very short-lived moment, but I was kind of like, yeah, I kind of love him, and I just love the idea of like somebody like him. Obviously, Bren's birthday party was like, you know, everything was driving towards that.

And I love that she created a safe space for herself, but then ultimately put together a circle to do shit on each other. Yeah, which was, you know, that was like, that was definitely, definitely a highlight. I also kind of love that Bryn earlier on in the episode after the bumper cars, I just threw out like every day this year, I'm going to have my tits out. That's my goal. And I was kind of like, okay, that's, that's, okay, reach for the star, reach for the stars. That's my, that's my goal for this year.

This is my New Year's resolution. Tits out more. And, oh, and then my other favorite moment, again, this is a, around Brin. I don't know why, but Brin, when the birthday candles were going, and then the balloons came down and started to blow. Do you remember when the balloons started to explode? And then she had this look of terror like she was in the Hindenburg. And then she was like, oh, my God, my organic biology chemistry degree. We need to be careful. Helium. And it's like, no, it's not helium. Healim doesn't do anything. It can't catch on fire. It's hydrogen. I was like, that.

that deep moment of terror on her face I was like for a second going does healing him? I was like I don't think so that's hydrogen isn't it? Anyways, it reminded me of that scene in like what was it Will Ferrell and the model the Zoolander right? You know when they're like having their fight with gasoline

at the gas station right? Just sort of like having fun and it's just like I could sort of see that you know spiraling out of like oh my god we're all going to explode just keep on popping the balloons That would be a season finale. Exactly. Exactly. And I will say one thing that did stand out a little bit because this is the season finale.

I sort of thought, I don't know. I mean, there was definitely some, you know, a little bit of infighting going on in the party. But I sort of thought I was almost waiting for like the big crazy blowout moment. And it didn't quite really get there. You know, kind of did. And I was like, they were kind of like building this little house of cards. and I thought, okay, this is ready to go off. But in it's, you know, they sort of had some disagreements.

But at the end of the, at the end of it, it was just helium in the balloon. It was just helium. Exactly. Nobody truly exploded. So, yeah, it's, it's too bad. Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. And I feel like maybe that this is one way where the, uh, the, the, the newbishness of these housewives is kind of like showing itself because right.

We have seen like really strong seasons from very experienced. its housewives where it all kind of comes together. And we've referred to it as like the Kaiser Soze moment where you see who's like pulling the strings and what was a lie and what wasn't. And yeah, we didn't really get that. It just kind of happened and things were left a little unresolved. So I think that that. Like I agree.

And also kind of like the some of the allegations, I mean, excuse me, some of the reason why some of the, you know, different housewives are kind of at odds with one another. It sort of felt like the stakes weren't massive somehow. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure exactly why. I mean, I know that one of the big things was, you know, that the one housewife was upset that the other was kind of like calling her husband out for just saying that he basically, she basically just lets me be me. And then the other thing about, you know, oh, I didn't want anyone to reveal that my boy,

I have a boyfriend. And then, and then like the further big one was like, and that he's in Connecticut. Yeah. Like it was kind of like, you know, they kind of clung on to that.

Like, it's one thing that she has the boyfriend that she didn't want revealed, but then that they found out he's in Connecticut. Yeah. And it's also, it's kind of like, yeah,

but you're on the fucking show and you're afraid that you're, you're trying to keep this relationship, I'm saying, right? Yeah. You know what I mean? This guy's for sure married, right? Oh,

God, I mean, definitely. He's got to be, right? It's like, but it's, it's kind of like, um, it sort of felt like some of those stakes didn't feel quite as high as maybe you might expect to be driving towards to the end of a season. Yeah. This is one of the things where I feel like,

Ubo was just about to get like a touch on. She was able to like get, almost to the line where she was getting through the season without having this revealed. And she just like fumbled it right at the little, the one yard line. Yes. And even like if she wanted to play into like the dramatic, like, so she then kind of storms off

at the end of the party, but at the same time, then they're all out on the sidewalk and just going, it's okay, we're fine. Like you remember she was, she was like talking to, who was it that she was talking to? It was. Subun's side. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

It was like sign. She was like basically on the sidewalk afterwards kind of going like, I kind of forgive you, but that wasn't really nice. Like it was, it was some, it was some, you know, it was like, that could have been the big moment of like, I'll never see you again. I don't know. I don't know. Then, you know, yeah. Yeah, so I was like, okay, first of all, I'm so sorry. And who was like, I'm taking a call right now. It's cool. We're cool.

Yeah, exactly. I'm talking to this guy in Connecticut to let him know that, you know, they just know generally the state that he might be in. So that's all. One thing that I really liked about this episode was the fact that we got like a little bit of the meta-exposed of the Housewife game. That's something that I'm always looking for. And the fact that, like, camera was was a character in this episode where it was like oh yeah you said that in front of the camera it's important that yeah like what was said in front of the camera versus you know just plain talking behind the back um i really like seeing that part of the game exposed because that kind of calls back to what we saw in salt lake city not this past episode but the episode prior where

Whitney was really working hard to draw some information out in front of the camera from from monica in order to just like set the wheels in motion. So seeing that they are aware of that really gives me a lot of hope for next season in terms of how they build upon this and, you know, play the game with a little bit more experience. And I also was trying to get a sense of like who is sort of the most senior of these housewives in New York? Like is it Jenna? Is, like she, everyone comes over to her apartment and they're doing a shoot and then, like, she is she sort of like the central socialite in the New York scene for this group?

Or is it, is it, um, Jessel and her husband? Like, you know what I mean? Like you sort of in, in the old days New York, Countess was kind of like, like she may have been sort of the queen bee. Because maybe she had like the bigger house out in, you know, out in Long Island or whatever. it was. But I was trying to get a sense of like, what is the sort of full hierarchy? Like, why, why was, why was Jessel over at her place to do the photo shoot? Or like, do you know what I mean? Like, and she was also talking about when she's in the closet with her son picking out outfits. Oh my God. Their 15 year old son is like, he has like, you know, all these fashion points on.

It's like, well, no, that has that outfit has like holes in it or it's, what do you say? It's like mesh almost, but the mask is solid so that just won't work. Yeah. It's like, my God, this is like such a deep. intellectual dive on how fashion works. Holy shit. Well, she was famous before Real Housewives of New York. So, yeah, she would definitely be like the top of the pecking order.

Because she was at like a Met Ball and stuff. Is she a photographer? Is that her thing? Or a fashion? The main. Yeah, the main person at Jay Crew. Like she was the head of the brand. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha.

Okay. And she is she, she, does she, she doesn't have a partner in this, does she? Like, she doesn't in, she? No. So she was dating someone and we never got to meet her. And then she alluded to the fact that her partner or she was dating like someone new. I don't know if that was the girl that she brought to the party or not. But, yeah.

Oh, yeah, right. I wrote that down. I think it, hold on. I wrote down her name because I was like, hold on, where is it here? It's not Sarah. Is it? Hold on. I wrote down the name of like the girl that she brought.

But whoever, where does it say? I don't know. Oh, no, I don't know. But the reason is because the partner that she brought to the event kind of like had a doily for a mask, but no eye holes. Like there was no real eye holes. It literally could have just been like a doily. That was kind of, you know, it was like, it's all basically eye holes.

So it doesn't matter. And the other thing that I love too is that the mask stayed on for all of about seven seconds. You've got to wear it in the door, but then I really do want my face scene. I enjoyed the McDonald's like hamburger comparison. Oh my God. That was really good. She looked like a teenage ninja mutton. Like just that sort of like skull cap strict.

Of all of this sort of sexy masks that someone might choose, it just looked like the strangest skull cap, duck bill. Yeah, Zorro. Yes. Oh my God, partial helmet was very strange. Dylan, how about you? What were your highlights from this episode? Seriously considering getting a tattoo that reads,

if you mentioned Connecticut, I'm going to circumcise you. That's a lot of my favorite lines for the show. Uber comes through again with another all-tiber. Next season tagline, maybe. I kind of agree that with your assessment that it felt like the drama was kind of building but didn't really blow up. And I feel like that kind of applies to the whole season. in a lot of ways. Like I do think it is a good cast, like you said, Craig. We've met some interesting

characters. I have been a little disappointed that I feel like there hasn't been like real fundamental disagreements that like have teeth and like that are really like rooted in their their personalities and the differences between them. It's more just like they occasionally get annoyed at each other and then apologize. That might take some more time to build since this cast is still new. Yeah, I wonder. I'm curious what you think if this has anything to do with that power dynamic because Jenna is like has so much more of a platform than the rest of this cast. Everyone is on even like on an even playing field, which is what we we normally see in a housewife season except for one person.

And they're all trying to like climb and find their own platform here. I wonder if that plays into it at all. Yeah. Some of them might be thinking like long term like trying to find their footing to like where they're going to settle in the hierarchy going into next season or sort of where their starting position is going to be. I don't know. Yeah.

Still, it was a pretty good episode. I definitely like Sy, just like cranking it up and just like bringing the shouting. Because if she's not going to do it, nobody else is. And she's more than happy to fill that role. Oh,

well, and you know, it was so funny to Bryn, like her sort of pushing, is it Jessel, like pushing her to be like, you need to shout. You need to.

Right. You need to, like, you know what I mean? To like, to, with these bitches, you need to shout in their face. Like, she was really, like, it was not okay for her to just be like, you know, you can have

disagreement, but you need to, you need to be, like, really raise your volume. It's not okay to be quiet and have a disagreement. Yeah, I do think, like, the substance of what Sy was getting angry at Jessel for was kind of hard to grasp, you know, she's like, you lie about everything. Yeah. when you mentioned your husband's plane ticket and implied how to fix date when the date wasn't technically fixed. Like, wait, what are we angry about here?

I couldn't figure out what was supposed to be arranged. Like I, because I know they sort of like did a flashback to another moment where it was like, she arranged for something and she did that because her husband was supposed to be flying away. Is that the deal? Yeah. The Pavitt's trip to Vietnam, which he's been talking about for a while, was kind of sketchy. and just in the sense that people couldn't really figure out why he was going to Vietnam. Okay.

So it was a little more juicy when they seemed to be implying that he was doing like sex tourism. And they seemed to have kind of backed up, backed off from that. And so I was just using this as like an example of Jessel being dishonest. Oh my God. But he didn't have the ticket book, but he sort of had to date, but it wasn't firm. Okay. Sounds like everyone's travel plans. Paffett did have another really bad episode though speaking of Pavitt

Oh yeah Like when Jessel says like oh does my voice sound sexy Like how hard is it to just say yes Like you just can't do those little things He's like um no These are like absolute like slab dunks Like just say yes Christ

Her coming in that room too just saying like I leave the house for a minute and look at what's happened. And there's like the most neatly organized ball pit with no child. I'm like, holy shit. This does still look out of like, you know, some kind of house magazine. You know what I mean? I was like, this is the shit show at your home. Okay.

Maybe that was in reaction to the no child. Yeah. Right, right, right. I leave for a couple of minutes and now we don't know where any of them are. And you're playing in a ball pit. Yeah, did you have any other highlights from New York? Well, I will say that they finally have like a chakoutre platter that looks good, which has kind of been a running theme for me.

Oh, yes. We keep seeing terrible looking chakoutherstery platters in the show. This one, we had one that actually looked good. So and yeah, and Cy will not shut up about the cheese reference, which is whatever, fine. Oh, you know what? a tiny bit of a prop to Aaron for doing like the parrot costume. That's as close as Aaron's ever been to being funny. She's still a few time zones away, but she's,

it's the closest she's been. That killed with everyone though. Like everyone had like, just loved it. Yeah. It was like, it was like such a big, such a big thing you could tell too because like even it was one of those rare times where you could also even see like producers in the background and a hall.

remember when she was sort of getting set up for this whatever was about to happen. And you almost never see that. Like in those shows, they never really show any of the sort of behind the actual camera, like what is happening. But that was one moment because you knew like, shit, we got to get it. She's about to do this thing.

And it doesn't matter who you can see. It doesn't. There's headsets on. It doesn't matter. Like you knew that it was like some big shit was going to happen, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, go ahead.

A little prop there for that. No, that's it. That's it. Yeah, I think we covered most of what I wanted to talk about for New York. I do think it was a better episode for David's size partner. I have been very reluctant to, you know, give him points. But I thought he did a good job kind of like addressing why Uba might be upset with him. And also when Jessel came over and talked to him,

smoothing things over a little bit. So he's growing on me a little bit. Oh, and he also had to talk with Jenna, I think, where he called her like a superhero. So I thought this was like a good showing. It actually seemed authentic this time. I actually thought he didn't come off great in his talk with Jenna because I feel like Jenna was trying to explain like why she sometimes doesn't feel

confident and stuff. And he was kind of almost talking over her like, oh, you're a superhero. or you're the best, you've, you know, had done a bunch of shit, like, just like, it seemed very like one dimensional. Like, no, no, no. You're like, everything's good. You know, you, you know, positivity, positivity.

And Jenna, she even says a one moment, like, I have a perspective of this. And then in the confessional, she has some good wisdom where she's like, you know, for me being open is a question of having a safe landing pad. You know, like she provides actual like context and is actually like thinking about these. things where I felt like David both with her and with Uba was just trying to be like, oh, no,

I just think you guys are amazing. End of story. You know, nothing else has to be discussed here. I will say, like I will say as an outsider, I was somewhat surprised that he was size partner. And I think maybe for a couple of the reasons, Craig, that you were saying, which is that he did come across in this episode, you know, at times as being a bit more like taking some responsibility for what was said and trying to make amends and, you know, for whatever reason

in my mind, I was like, this does not, this seems to be the antithesis of Sye, right? Who would not? You know what I mean? So I'm not exactly sure what I was imagining, but in those, in a couple of those moments, he seemed to kind of have like a somewhat centered take on things. and it seems like I wondered how those two kind of what their dynamic is because I would say she might be one of the furthest people from caring about having a centered take on something. She's just like wherever, whatever emotion takes me, I'm fine with just simply going there.

I don't really care what happens. That's just how it is. You know, and whereas it seemed like he's sort of in a couple of those moments being a bit reflect, like reflecting a little bit and trying to take responsibility. make amends for things that he sort of felt, you know, was taken the wrong way. And it's so weird. Like in that moment, I got to say, like, I, as I heard it when they were showing a flashback to that moment, at least how it seemed in the editing of it, it seemed like he was simply saying, I can't believe you wouldn't have a partner because you have all these amazing qualities. And I don't, I don't,

it didn't strike me at that moment as being this thing about saying, like, you need to have a a man or a partner in your life. I was just thinking more like, oh, it just seemed like him questioning you have so much going for you. I'm surprised that there isn't a relationship for you right now as well, because, you know, there's many qualities about you that are really would draw somebody in to want to, you know, share their time with. So I don't know, for whatever reason, it didn't strike me that way, but it clearly did strike her that way because she kind of heard him out and was also like, thank you for apologizing. And yeah, that's not really what you would say. So yeah. Yeah. And I think that like it was a like a good apology in that he,

um, you know, he didn't try to over explain, you know, what he was, uh, what he was intending. He was just like, oh, this like offended you. I understand. Like, and I was wrong here. And yeah, just overall, I felt like he came across like fairly measured, which I guess is what I would expect from someone who is married to someone with a temperament like sigh, having the need to like like constantly be like negotiating and like taking cautious approach. Yes, let me try to defuse the situation by stepping forward and saying, I, I'm sorry for my part of this. Yeah, he would probably be the first person to offer that before she would. Any last thoughts on New York from either of you guys?

Well, because it was the season finale and I, you know, I was very interested in your, both of your takes on sort of the final thought or two that were up on the screen, you know, with each character because it was so out of context for me that I, half of it, I couldn't really, I didn't know exactly what they were referencing because it was clearly like things along the,

along the season that had happened that they were referencing like, you know, so and so will be traveling and no, it won't be economy. And, you know, you're sort of like, oh, that must have been somebody. There was an issue.

So, So I was just kind of curious from your perspectives, from following it along all season, if it left your appetite for, you know, what will happen next season? Or did everybody get their just desserts? Or was there sort of, did that button up an interesting arc season long? You know what I mean?

Yeah. I don't think that there was anything that was really tied up. it felt like a lot of kind of insidey jokes almost. It was just references to the to the past season, which, you know, it was, it was fine. I, um, if I wasn't left like wanting more from this episode. I wasn't like looking really for much to get tied up. It felt like a little bit of a, um, condensed season like it, or an abbreviated season, actually.

Like I felt like there could be maybe more. episodes that just, you know, kind of got cut off. But yeah, I, I wasn't really left wanting much more. And I don't really have much of an opinion either way on how they kind of did their like ending slides. Yeah. Cool. Let's, let's dive into Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

What were your thoughts on this, Peter? I mean, first of all, I, I mean, I mean, I. I found it more, let me just say, there was a bit more of a comedic angle in my mind or some little cherries in there that I was just like, this is outrageously hilarious from my perspective. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But so, and I don't know, I'll throw in a couple of those as we move forward. But I was, we're starting on, in the absolute thick of a major revelation or accusation.

And I was just like, oh my God, we're starting with like someone accusing someone's husband of fucking other man. And I was just like, we are coming in hot. Like that was that was like, holy shit. That's kind of like a level 11 start. And then, and so, you know, with no context of like who we're talking about what the, what the history of any of these relationships was. I was just like, wow. Okay. Here we go.

I will say that I absolutely loved starting off in this ski lodge, if that's where we were, with people wearing the most unfathomable outfits in a ski lodge. Like nothing you would ever see on a ski hill. Like there could be no possibility anyone was planning on going out and doing anything. I mean, who was it? One of them was in a cape, like a white cape, kind of knit cape outfit. it and Heather was in that fucking gold bomber that was like it looked like she could have been in a Macy's parade.

Yeah. Like it was just this giant golden orb that I was like, if you ever fell on a ski hill in that then you'd be at the bottom of Salt Lake. Like the bottom. So I was just, I was immediately swept into like this insane accusation and then this fabulous party. And there was somebody who was only there that I don't know who, I don't know who they were, who I really fell in love.

for a very short period of time, who just simply said, I can't believe I wasted an outfit on this party, and where's the food? And why won't you put the pizza in the box? It's just bad service. Yeah. It's just like,

who was that? I couldn't find her anywhere else to think, but I was like, hilarious. She was just like so bummed that the food was a shit show, and she wasted a TV ready outfit on this. Yeah. She, uh,

that's Mary, Mary Cosby and she is, yeah, she is an icon. She was a previous host wife on Salt Lake City, and now she's back in like a friend of capacity and just does not give a shit at all. She's back just to show up at every party and just be really anti-social. And it's so amazing.

It's just every party to better what else is happening. There'll be a couple cuts to Mary just being completely done with everybody and not wanting to be anybody's friend. It's so funny. It was so funny. And I know I know early on in there too, there was one thing that I thought was hilarious. I don't even remember who it was that was talking about. It was like two people, it must have been in regards to the accusation towards the husband. But somebody had said to somebody else, like, come over here.

I want to talk to you privately. And you're in this giant ski lodge. They just basically go over to like another busy area of the lodge for their private conversation. And the very second that they sit down in the cameras with, and there's like two other people already hovering. Like there's like, it's like the possible. of a private conversation is like, it's not possible. And then secondly, saying it, they know that it's not going to be possible. It's just like, I like to say this because it sounds dramatic, but let's go over here where there's still lots of people because we're going to talk.

I was like, yeah, okay, okay. What were your, what other highlights did you have from this episode? So then we jump to, let me, who, so who was the husband that had this acupun that had this accusation. So that's Angie's husband. Angie and who and what's Angie? That's right. Angie and Sean. I mean, highlights for me were just the animals at Angie and Sean's place. So there's

so there is that standard poodle that's anything but standard. Yeah, it's anything but standard that has been a paw dipped and head dipped and pink. Just kind of forlornly looking for outside. You feel this dog has never

stepped outside. There could be no way that that dog there's no possibility. There's probably an indoor room that they've made look outdoors so that the dog has some, but it was like seeing that dog, but then also paired with the family portrait

that's in the bedroom with Sean and the mini horse. Oh, amazing. And then the kids, like that one, is it one or two kids and her, maybe just one? I think it's just the daughter electrica. Yeah, right, right, right.

And so, but just, it was the thinking around like, you know, first of all, a staged family portrait is something to begin with, but just somewhere along the lines where the conversation of a mini horse comes in. And it's like, yeah, it should be with a mini horse. Dad should have the mini horse, not like the four-year-old, like just sort of proudly walking a mini horse up the path from them. It just seemed like the ridiculous relationship to like the extremes of animals, like taking a standard poodle and dipping it in pink and a family portrait where there's a mini horse involved.

It's kind of like they like animals, but not real animals. Like kind of unusual Disney type animals. That kind of stuck out as something that I quite enjoyed. Like just a quietly relishing seeing that family portrait. I also could not get over that family portrait. Just such a bizarre series of decisions going into that.

Sean's just kind of, he's got one hand like petting this kind of fat miniature pony and just seems to be gazing for lonely downwards at his wife and daughter crouched in like a dirt trail? Like what is going on there? Why do you have this photo? Why is it the only thing in your bedroom? Oh my God. Like honestly. And and and and then the emotional breakdown for him at the idea of like and both of them talking about their biggest concern was for their daughter.

That their daughter would hear you know something about an infidelity or you know whatever whatever the allegations. was and I'm just like I don't fucking believe you for a second if you're on this show and you're having this moment of like but you know we the foremost of our mind is protecting our child

from you know these things that may be alleged about us in our relationship and I'm like you're on the show dude I mean I get it like kids are off game but it's like it's a little too late to think about but what if they heard you know what if they heard something you know about our about our past

And it's kind of like, uh, that ship sailed, pal. Yeah, and you have to know going into this that like, like, these rumors are out there. Like, it's, you know, it's Utah. Like they say, you're, you're a hairdresser. You've got this poodle that you're walking down the street. You went to like 17 photographers until you found one with a mini horse. Yeah.

Yeah, like Heather says, it's Utah. As soon as somebody's wearing a cardigan, they're gay. Yeah, cardigan and, and what was it, tapered pants? You know, I love Heather's assessment, honestly. Like the one thing that is very interesting in this particular franchise, which I had no, I knew nothing about. I'm not still other than this episode, I don't know anything about. But it is very interesting the, just kind of the overriding element of the Mormon church and religion and sort of some of these, you know, when I think about, some of the restrictions that are kind of within the Mormon church and having that against the

backdrops of a of a real housewives franchise where you know someone's on there saying well if you have Diet Coke you can't step into the church right and I'm kind of like you know diet Coke on the spectrum of like things you could do wrong in a real housewives franchise is just like fucking off the scale you know what I mean it's kind of like it's like it's it's closer to you know when I think somewhere in there they said something about like like giving blow jobs for jazz tickets or something. And you're like, and it's like it's, you know, and the one end of the spectrum on this thing is,

well, you can't step in a church if you have Diet Coke. Yeah. So it's like if you're giving blow job for jazz tickets, so where does that, what does that mean? How many miles away do you have to be from the church? So it's, but it's just like an interesting element that sort of, it actually is a very interesting conversation piece for,

in a larger way, just kind of about that being the back. background and connection for a lot of different housewives and their families in this franchise. It's just, I found that quite interesting. It gives it a different, interesting depth than you might find in a couple of the other housewife franchises, I suppose. Totally. Yeah. And I feel like we got a lot more of that this episode than we do typically. Like, it's always kind of sprinkled in and a little bit of an overtone. But I thought that we got a really interesting contrast between Monica's relationship with like her mother.

and the church and Lisa and her son's relationship with the church. It was like kind of polar opposites in terms of how they navigated that situation, both because, you know, the nature of the relationship. Monica is the child in that case and Lisa's the parent. But Lisa, the way that Lisa kind of, the way that she is Mormon is she kind of like picks and chooses the pieces that like work for her. And I mean, that seems like a very, like, healthy way, honestly, to practice a, a religion. Whereas, you know, Monica's mom and, and, well, Heather as well, like, they have a very kind of black and white view of the, of the faith.

So I really thought that this was a interesting dimension to this episode. Yeah. Yeah. For certain. For certain. And I also, you know, shout out to what was it? Hold on. What's the grandmother's name?

Nana. Yeah. Shut up to Nana. That was one of my other highlights in this episode was just all of a sudden being in the car with Nana and Monica and her mom. And just like the introduction to Nana, she looked so like stone-faced and cold and almost dead. Like, oh, Nana, she's just so quiet until we get her in the senior center. until we get her her fish sandwich and like looking at Nana's expression

was just like she fucking has zero energy or interest for being there and even when she got into the senior center it was like look everybody Nana's here and everyone's just like oh my God Nana I think that is the one person that Mary would get along with yeah

and then my the senior center was crazy like this was a wild scene I love that we It opened up with like a montage of like cards and word searches. Oh. And then I was trying to piece together what game they were playing. No idea.

Just yelling cards randomly. Like throwing shit in baskets and, you know, it was kind of like, you know, 10 years ago, maybe that was whist and then this is just what it's turned into. Yeah, if you can get it in a basket, that gives you two aces, but only if you've got a queen of hearts. Yeah. Everyone's cards like face up on the table, but like organized into roads. and then the dealer's like, seven of hearts,

you know, no, no, the last person who remembered the rules just lost them every last week. And now everybody's just playing along assuming the other people know how the game works. That dealer was heavily favored. Got a lot of nice airtime right there. They kept on going back to her as she was calling out random cards. It's like, oh, yeah, okay.

But yeah, and then, you know, Nana scolding them at the end, just saying like, no dirty in here. Yeah. After they have at the top of their lungs been just like having the filthiest back and forth. Like just hilarious. Of all the places to go and like have it all out at a senior center. Starting a healthy conversation about boundaries. And one example that Monica can come up with is I could be 69ing on my couch.

Oh shit. Oh shit. And then my other highlight was Meredith and her. son. Is that my right? Meredith Anderson, Brooks. Brooks, who inexplicably is wearing ski goggles in the car. And I was like, you know, first of all, there's like, there's too many things in that, in that little moment that I luxuriated in. Like, first of all, this, you know, this kind of flashback to this crazy car accident. And they've, you know, they've found some archival pieces of, you know, they sort of go down this incredibly,

dramatic reenactment that they've built from nothing, like from found footage of something else. And because the only footage that they have is basically this giant suburban that's gone about a foot and a half into some snow. Like it's, I mean, look, maybe, maybe the other side was a cliff. I don't think it was. This may have been just in, you know,

in her, in meritoris memory of it. But it just seems so non-dramatic. But then I was like, do the goggles have to do with that in case they hit another snowbank and have to literally dig. themselves out that now we do that um so i love the goggles and then friend also is just like i could give two fucks yeah um but them them then going snowshoeing wrestling with trying to figure

out how a snowshoe goes on there's really there's not too many ways yeah and then and then the snowshoing was just happening and what seemed to be like the back lot of like a target parking lot and and just the final image of like brooks just just bouncing like bounding through the parking lot with snow shoes on it just seemed like of all of the places in uton park city or any you know where salt lake wherever they could go which would be just kind of like the most idyllic winter wonderland setting they're in some salted parking lot where there's power lines and like it just seemed absolutely ludicrous Dylan, what were your highlights? I mean, I both basically just want to return on a lot of things that Peter brought out because there's so many great points there. Like the aesthetics of the fight in the party at the start, like you mentioned,

it was so amazing that it just underlines how fun the fight is when you've got one of them dressed like an evil wizard and Lord of the Wings with like a white cape versus Angie with her like Greek meander patterned, like, body suit like she's in like some 90s techno video. Oh my God. It's just so so good. I do love the use of religion in this episode too like you mentioned. Always a great part of Salt Lake City is one of the things that makes the show a lot. Richer as you mentioned is one of the things that makes it so interesting to me is that all these housewives shows are often about like different people having their own conflicting moral frameworks that they're bringing into every situation. But when you've

got all these people that are part of a religion or in some ways reacting to a religion or trying to leave a religion, you have this overriding moral framework, which is also this kind of weird baseline that everybody's kind of reacting against or towards in different ways. Very interesting stuff. I really like near the end when Heather and Whitney get into it kind of about that too, about, you know, how Heather doesn't really want to congratulate Lisa's son for doing a mission because she's like, the church is bad and you agree with me, Whitney. And like you agree with that the church is like hobophobic and like anti-woman in a lot of ways and stuff.

But you think it's cool to just be like, oh, good on your son for like going knocking on doors and asking people to join the church and stuff. I thought it made Heather look like a lot more principled, which was, which was interesting. And I do think that that Heather came off good in that sense. And also earlier on in the party, what everybody's like, I've never heard those rumors. Where did those rumors come from? And Heather's like, everybody's heard the rumors.

Come on. And Whitney's just try to like hide her hand and being the person who was like, Monica, Monica, Monica. You've got to go tell her. You've got to be the one to go bring it up. Do it, Monica. Do it.

Just go to get on. And afterwards being like, where did these rumors come from? Where did this come from? Where did this come from? Angie's whole house is insane. just like the painting in the bedroom. It's just like a, Craig mentioned this last time.

It's like there's a white space with just the occasional like empty Vuclico bottle or like a weird purple orb sitting at a shelf. Just a beautiful thing. Everything looks great in this episode, honestly. Just everything looks great. But, um, but probably the ultimate highlight does have to be the senior center, which was just having this discussion. We intercut with a card game and just having that kind of dynamic of the generations and just like being like, um, there almost seems to be a veiled threat. And Monica bringing her mom to the senior center being like,

oh no. At some point, my decisions are going to be when you're relying on. So let's, let's watch what we're going to be. Oh, my God. Even in that moment, too, I'm just reminded that,

yeah, she was like saying, you can't just barge into my house because I could be doing 69 on the couch. Yeah, I could be 69 on the couch. I was like, oh, my God. You could, you know, you could just leave it. Like, you know, don't barge in my house.

But it's like, no, let me, let me go, let me go as far as I can on this. 69ing on the couch. Yeah. Their conversation was like, really loud, really raw, really great conversation. Oh, my God. But then also you've got the church stuff on there too. Like, you know, Monica, saying to her, probably, you apologized for raising me in the church. And now you're like, you want to be about the church again.

Like, this also is kind of similar to Heather and Whitney's discussion. where it's like at a certain point, can you just, do you get to pick and choose? Like you said, Craig, like picking parts of the religion that you like, is that actually a healthy thing to do? Or are you just being kind of hypocritical and choosing your moments when you want to say, oh, I disavow the bad things they're doing? But when it's like socially helpful for me and my circle, I will like be, oh, I'm Mormonish. I, you know, I support the decisions of the people who are in the Mormon community

because this is our community. this is our network. I'm not sure that always is healthy. And these like running themes about the weird relationships, everybody has a weird relationship to the Mormon church in this series. If they aren't Mormon. Exactly. Whether they're in the church or not,

whether they've left the church or are like kind of drawn towards it or whether they're like, yeah, like Lisa who is like, is like, should I read the book of Mormon? Is it fun? Right, right. each. I have a reader, Lisa Barlow. I wrote down for no reason,

just something that just says Lisa lives to get triggered. And I don't know, I'm not sure exactly what moment it was, but something struck me that was just sort of like, this is somebody that cannot wait to be able to say that something triggers her, ready to just jump in it, whatever it is.

I think I know what it was about. Were they there to try to make somebody else feel better but then she just kind of immediately took the wind out of that to turn it around on her and her being triggered about something. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. Apparently there was a birdhouse painting party we missed too, which I was really upset that we didn't get that scene. We just get a little glimpse of a Heather paid to get birdhouse.

And that's one of the things that, you know, I want to come back to something you said really earlier, Peter, when you're saying what's different about the shows now compared to when you first started to watch them. And that's really true what you said in the sense that they make it really quick now. They pack in a lot of scenes or fragments of scenes in a single episode. When you watch like those early seasons of New York and Beverly Hills and stuff, you'd have one conversation between two people, which would be the whole block between commercials. Yes.

They don't do that anymore. You know. And that's kind of something that's been lost. Like I do love the way the show's worked out too. But it's something that's kind of been lost is just the kind of like seeing a whole conversation and just like having all the. bits of it. And I feel like in a lot of ways, they've, they've refined the machine to the point where they're shooting so many scenes and they've gotten so good at just picking out, okay,

this moment's content, this moment's content, that they're just cramming in a bunch of content moments. You're not, you're not getting to live with the characters as much as they have a weird, rambling, awkward dialogue. Yeah. Because as you say that, I'm reminded that that's right, like those early days, if I'm thinking about something like the New York franchise back in the back then you exactly you say it's sort of like it would be like we're going to go and spend the next seven minutes with this couple yeah and we're going to go and watch what they're up to then we're going to go and like spend the next like three minute chunk with this person that they had referenced and what they're up to and so you know and and as I say like in the Utah one in particular sorry in

the in the salt lake um show in particular it did feel like at that beginning I was just like my head was spinning I was like this feels like an extended um kind of like bumper tease for something that's going to happen. But I was like, oh, no, this is the, this is the episode. And, and, and so as somebody that didn't really know the people or didn't know anything, it was, it was kind of a bit boggling. I thought, well, I guess if you know, if you know everybody, you kind of, you, it just takes a sentence or two.

That's all you really need to hear. But I, I agree with you that sometimes it was kind of, I, I enjoy sometimes sitting into a longer conversation and finding the dynamics between people. that that might just take a little bit more production time, quite honestly. Like it almost just feels like to do that means you've got to shoot so many long crazy, like just so many long scenes.

And maybe at this point it's just kind of like, no, we're going to get our whatever days, just chop it up a lot. We'll get some soundbite here, sound bite there. It works perfect. Let the editors. Who knows? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it was a great episode on the whole. I just found it really, really fascinating. Yeah. And still love Monica too, because just her outlet. like outsider status is just so key to the dynamic for, uh, for this season to be. Yeah, it really brings a lot. And also her mom and her both seem to be dealing with being on television in different ways. Like I got the sense that Monica's mom was

kind of bringing up this like not like newfound Mormonism, but like just being like, oh, I'm, you know, following these pieces of the doctrine and she's really trying to like present herself in a certain way for the cameras. And I, I wonder if that has something to do with how the show is received within the community. I'm not entirely sure. But it's a big, like, contrast to Monica, who seems to be, like, very, um, she comes across very honest and very open about how she's feeling and what her motivations are. And, um, it doesn't seem as, like, produced as any of the other housewives that are on this show.

You know, I think that's funny about their relationship, their dynamic on screen to me is that Monica's mom really does seem to be like, oh, I'm about. having a good time. This is like, you know, we're joking around. I'm on camera. This is fun. And Monica's like, I'm trying to get you to talk about my childhood trauma. Yes. A couple other things that I'll throw out there that I was reminded of too was there was the mother and son pedicure scene. Yeah. I love how both Lisa and Meredith have these like Blasey twink sons. I mean, I was like, I was just like, And there was sort of talking kind of about like the hardships or how challenging it will be to be on this mission.

Right, right? As they're in what seems to be like the most luxurious looking leather hand-tuned seats getting their pedicures done. And she was kind of fishing for like, you know what? I'm a good mom because look at what I've pushed you to do to go and do your mission to which he immediately shuts down saying like, no, going on the mission was totally my own decision. It was just kind of like, you could see and you're like, you knew that that stung a bit because she's kind of looking for some of that

validation, right? And he wasn't going to give her any of that. The seed literally ends with the exchange. I love you so much. Yeah. His response is, yep. Oh, no. There was that.

And the other one that sort of, I was reminded of was the was it monoun? Was it Monica, because she, is she a single mom maybe and has four kids? Yeah, four kids. Oh my Lord. And so anyways, when they, I was kind of boggled at that to begin with going like, holy shit. She's juggling a ton.

Yeah. And, but the conversation in the minivan is it was like getting all the kids ready to school and it was like a teachable moment about boners. She was worried that. What was the word that she was worried that? they were referring to you like bitches maybe and yeah i think it was boners yeah it was just like uh it was just like yeah out of the mouths of babes uh but uh yeah it was a wonderful teachable moment about boners yeah i like that monica's like was saying in that scene or a confessional attached to that scene that she wishes that she could just have five extra hours of sleep not like

not like a single five extra hours of sleep oh my god an extra of five, which would probably triple the amount of sleep she has. Yeah. Oh, my God. Any other final thoughts on Salt Lake City? I wrote down Greek Easter teas, and I don't know why. Was at the end of it? Was there like some crazy-looking Easter party that they were teasing towards?

Is that what it was? Angie's Greek, by the way. Yes, yes. You might not have known. Right. Yes. I think it was one of the, I think it was. right off the bat. She was ideeing that right away. Actually, she really was, right? Because

she was talking about being raised Orthodox Greek or something like this. In any case, this Greek Easter tease, I don't know why I wrote it down. Did it look like it was just going to be an outlandish party? It must have been that that I was like, oh shit, I want to see, I want to see what in the world is going to happen to this Easter party. Yeah, I have no idea what this is about. I'm looking forward to it as well. Angie's a new housewife and, you know, she's on on the scene for, well, she made an appearance in the last season, but we're getting a lot more out of her now. One of the most notable things being that

she's Greek. Yes. Right. Right. But yeah, I feel like she brings, she brings a lot of drama. We saw that definitely at the start of this episode. Yeah, I love how much she defends herself. I love how hard she goes into her her fights with Meredith.

She just, she goes full throttle. I respect that. Oh, and what is going to be, like, how is this, the rest of the season going to play out for Sean? And, I mean, with this, like, I mean, that's, that's, that's such a huge accusation. That's really going to damage his hairdressing business. I mean, either that or he's, you know, either that or it's going to, like, take it to the next level. You know, you can't tell. Probably, you can't tell.

Yeah, the wealthiest hairdresser in all of Utah. Yeah, but it's like, that was such a giant, like, such a giant, like, such a. a bomb to be dropping. Yes. You know, oh my God. It's kind of a big, like, you know,

piece of information to be lobbed at you in your first season as a housewife. Yes. We don't see... Episode four! Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It'll be interesting to see how

Angie kind of responds from that. I guess we got a similar storyline out of Jen on O.C. It was more just about her current partner being unfaithful, but, yeah. It somehow, it somehow has a slightly larger resonance given the notion that we're in sort of this backdrop of the Mormon church somehow. You know what I'm saying?

Like that, like that, it feels like in a different setting, it has less of a, less of a thing, but, you know, there's, I suppose it already because it's like, so we're, we're talking about in that community and they're bringing it up in the show. notions of homophobia and notions of like all of that like it's it's an even larger accusation there than let's say somewhere else where it's kind of like you know what I mean like it just sort of seems like such a such a huge unusual thing to throw out there I don't know I don't know yeah and I'm curious as to how they kind of like play off of this down the road because like I said they had to have known that this is a rumor that is for sure going to like come out. So

they must have done some prep for this or is this like how would this truly be catching them off guard that this could be like the first thing that comes out? Yes. Yes. No. I mean you yeah, there in a lot of ways you would have to sort of go like the producers are hoping and teeing this up to be like well we've got this potentially very fiery nugget that if it's brought up how will How will it be addressed? Like, yeah, you would sort of think that would probably be, they're kind of expecting that at some point will be addressed. Yeah, totally.

I think we covered most of the stuff that I wanted to get to with Salt Lake City. Did you guys have any other final thoughts? No, Heather wrote a book against the church. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She was just talking about being an author of a book that was, yeah. Yeah, bad Mormon. So she documented, I guess, her experience,

the church and that's something that she's constantly plugging and actually I feel like that kind of speaks a little bit to her motivation for what she was doing in that last scene like she really does not want to appear to be like contradicting something that she has has written so she's going to have this like another constructed scene at like the ski slopes like we saw last episode with her and her daughters and just really trying to push her narrative out there at

this ski hill. Yeah. Oh my guy. I also loved doing a little bit of action shooting on the ski hill. Yeah. Nice to see the housewives getting it done on the slopes. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Peter.

This has been a blast. Do you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, sure. Friends. what a total pleasure. Thank you for having me on. And honestly, you know, revisiting something that back in the day, as I said, you know, my wife and I, we would just kind of, that was our dirty little secret to kind of like sit down and binge through the shows. And so it was really fun to revisit. And as I say, as somebody that hasn't kept up on it at all for, I don't know, like seven years or more. So we have a seven year old daughter now. So I kind of like, everything goes back to like, oh, I think we probably were doing this before we had a daughter, right? We had a bit more time to just sort of be like, oh, yeah, it's four in the morning. That's okay. watch one more. So now, anyway, so it was really fun to go back. But yeah, you know, obviously, if you want to find me on Instagram, I'm at What Peter Saw. And me and my good friend, Pat Kelly, who did, this is that, for CBC for years. We're actually, we have some live shows that are coming up in the new year. Some already announced and some that are still to be announced.

So I can let you know about a couple. If you're in Calgary on January 31st at the Bella Concert Hall in Edmonton, we're going to be at Festival Place on January. January 30th. We got some dates still to be announced in Victoria in Vancouver and maybe more down the line too. So stay tuned. It'll be a fun comedy night inspired a little bit by this as that, but actually maybe a bit of a different spin, a little bit of improv, a little bit of comedy. And as well, I've done this podcast for a long time that's gone a little bit dormant, which is called Dexter Guff is Smarter Than You. And it's kind of a fake self-help podcast of a guy who's bit of a know-it-all blowhard.

His life is a total disaster, but he's telling everyone else how to lead their life. So the full title of the show is Dexter Guff is smarter than you, and you can be too. But it's gone a little bit dormant, but we have some exciting stuff that we're planning on doing in the new year with it. So check out that feed. If you were looking for a podcast, if you haven't heard of it before, check it out. I think you'd have a good laugh. If you know any sort of have anything in the world of self-help, Dexter Guff would be kind

of like you'd get a kick out of it. Awesome. Yeah. And also you did a podcast called This Sounds Serious a little while then. Yeah. This Sounds Serious, which is kind of a satire of true crime. And really one of the things that Pat and I and a bunch of our friends, we really, I really enjoyed doing it. And it's such a, we spent a lot of time and a lot of kind of care and resource to kind of get it tonally sounding in the world of true, true crime. And and God, it was so. fun to do. We've been trying to see if we can transition it into like a TV thing because I just kind of feel like there's so many of those sort of premium true crime docu series. And it feels like as of yet there hasn't really been not how we would conceive it. There hasn't really been like a satire comedic version done of it. And we kind of feel like, man, it would be fun to take, you know,

one of the seasons of our podcast and do that in a visual sense. So anyways, if you are somebody that swims around in true crime podcasts, definitely check it out because I do feel like it mirrors that tone, but it is absolutely ludicrous and absurd. Yeah, it is spot on like tonally to a true crime podcast. It was like it was like must listen to a podcast of like the pandemic for me. Oh, yeah. I love it. Well, you know, our whole thing was that we wanted it obviously. our background is all comedy. We like to do comedy. We like to satirize media. We like to do all that stuff. But when it came to doing a true crime, like satirizing that or making a comedy, a comedic version of it, it is also in our minds where like it also has to be compelling. Like there has to be kind of cliffhangers like, you know, what happened here? So for us, it was like a good stretch to

to kind of like have some fun in the comedy and digging in on the characters, but then also sort we go like, let's map out a bit of a narrative here that kind of is true to form too and make this, you know, have a few kind of red herons in it and the rest of it. So yeah, glad you enjoyed. And, man, we really love doing those. Awesome. Dylan, do you want to let people know where they can find you? Yeah. Well, first of all, I want to say, Peter, thanks so much for being on the show. And I really just need to tell you, since you're here and you're a CBC radio guy, that you've got to talk to the suits up there and do something about the fact that they just canceled my dad's favorite show, the three beeps that tell you what time it is. Oh, no. I just heard they canceled

that. I think that's unforgivable. I don't think anything in the world gave my dad more pleasure than setting his car radio clock to those three beeps, making sure everybody in the backseat is being very quiet so you could do it just right. So I just specifically go out to the car on the hour, every hour to just double check. How close am I to those beats now? I think he did. I think. I think you did that. So on behalf of dads everywhere, I think they need to bring that back. I'm taking it to the absolute top brass. I'm going to hop over the security turn style, get upstairs, and get it done. That's my promise. That's my vow. Until recently, also I did a podcast about horror movies called Mind Over Splatter.

Since it's October, we've got Halloween coming up. If anybody's looking to get some maybe horror movie recommendations or just hear some guys chat about our movies and like the culture and history behind them look up mind over splatter wonderful awesome well that's been bravo outsider for this week you can find us online at bravo outsider on most social media platforms we're on youtube like and subscribe leave us a review comment it helps us out a ton until next week keep on wiping