Oscars Outsider - New Ick Unlocked (RHONY S14E08, RHOC S17E12)

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

This week Craig and Dylan fly solo-- erm, tandem... We discuss the Real Housewives of New York cast trip, the drama with Jenna Lyons and how Brynn makes her money On our Real Housewives of Orange County recap we discuss the housewives masterclass conducted by Tamra, whether Heather is annoying and Travis's charming size Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 00:38 - Real Housewives of New York City recap 19:53 - Real Housewives of Orange County recap 38:58 - Outro Find Dylan on substack at ⁠⁠⁠https://dylanferguson.substack.com/⁠⁠ Find "The Devil You Don't" on Youtube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tBassBNwKc&list=PLCGSy4_xHhBsbX0VlG3JDJwaiqsBkiGDj⁠ https://www.bravooutsider.com Music by FASSounds from Pixabay #rhony #rhoc #realitytv

Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter. And as always, I'm joined by my co-host, Dylan Ferguson. Dylan, how's it going? Fine and dandy like sour candy. Ready to get under it. Yeah, ready to get into it. We're flying solo this week.

Unfortunately, our guests will... It's not what that means. What do you mean? You're not solo. There's two of us. No, I said we're flying solo. It's not solo when there's two people. Oh, yeah, I guess you're right.

We're flying tandem. There we go. Thank you. We're going to dive right into our recaps here. We had an exciting week of Real Housewives of New York and Real Housewives of Orange County. Dylan, where would you like to start? Let's start in New York. All right.

What were your highlights from New York this week? Continuing to love the strange gravitational pull of Jenna Lyons, who is like simultaneously by far the most powerful figure on the show and the most insecure figure on the show. It's just such a compelling dynamic to have her like have this kind of awkwardness and this like genetic disorder that she's like very open about. That that makes her like very like vulnerable and at the same time being the one who has like by far the most professional success and like the most influential figure in the show. so that everybody's kind of like awkwardly in her orbit of both like trying to suck up to her getting tired of her like feeling sorry for her feeling like they should never feel sorry of her because she's got more influence than they have that like the influence that she has as like

the sun at the center of this solar system is like really interesting to me yeah i totally agree and actually it reminds me a lot of the presence that raquel has has on Vanderpump rules. Sorry, Rachel, there's a certain awkwardness and uncertainty about the way that she carried herself on that show. I initially was like, I don't know that this is a very compelling thing to watch. It does not feel like anything else that we have seen on Bravo, but it ultimately, it really is.

And watching someone navigate that and feeling your own, like it's very easy to project your own uncertainties and anxieties on to someone that operates in that way when you're watching it on screen it's like oh okay i can see like i would navigate that situation in the same way and make those same mistakes yeah yeah when somebody is like visibly awkward on screen i think you hit on something there it makes it easier to self-insert in a way uh into the character uh it's easy to cheer for somebody who's like very confident but it's easy to self-insert in somebody who is like openly displaying insecurity. Obviously the huge difference between Rachel and Jenna is that Rachel was automatically on the

periphery of the group and Jenna is automatically in the center just as being like the most established one that the rebuilt seems to have been almost built around. So that just just makes it interesting a whole different way for me. But I definitely find myself like instantly sympathetic to her and like wanting to defend when when people come up with comments where like Brin's like it's like she doesn't know like Girls Trip 101

and it's like yeah but that's what's so adorable about her is that she's like openly saying like I've never done a girl's trip and like and when she like makes awkward decisions you like you want to take her side because it's like yeah that's like that's sweet you want to cheer for her. What other

highlights did you have? Let's just talk about the food that they have had in guilla when they show up there and they just like and they're all like oh wow look at the spread and they walk into a kitchen like this totally clean kitchen that looks like it hasn't been used all day and it's got like tacos and hamburgers with not like a trace of steam or anything like these are just cold tacos and hamburgers they're just eating like cold food cold gelatinous congealed food that's supposed to be hot it's just that weird to be and that nobody mentions that either they're just like oh yes great real food finally unlike at errand's place like

I would rather have fish row on a cracker than like a cold hamburger that looks like it's been sitting on a counter for two hours. Yeah, I had a note on that too. I was like, is this catered by Kirkland? Like, everything looks like it was Costco buns, Costco, like frozen patties. It was not, not appealing whatsoever. It looked like standard resort fair, but they're, you know, in this villa that's supposed to be this elevated vacation experience. experience. And yeah, to compare it to, you know, I guess Pringles with caviar on it, maybe that's an upgrade. But I don't know. Yeah, it was not exactly appealing to me either.

Yeah, I would rather scarf down Pringles and Caviar, I think, than just like, yeah, like you said, they look like very generic burgers. It kind of reminds me of that like that Trump photo shoot, you know, where he's got like a bunch of like hamburgers on a table and he's like, hey, look, there's a bunch of hamburgers just sitting here for who knows how long. like it's just not doesn't seem appealing i love a hamburger but i but like a bunch of them just sitting cold on a couch is like very out appealing i guess the the big sort of question of this episode is what is jena's motivation for flying out on her own i'm curious what your perspective was on this i mean she says both right um i think she she she hedges it by saying was primarily to get a base layer

or under 10, but I guess why can it be both? I mean, I do agree that it like comes off as like really snobbish and annoying to be like, I'm going to get a different flight because I don't want to fly coach. But if you're rich and you're getting older and you're, you know, six feet one and you want to be comfortable, I can kind of get it. I think that it was actually the primary motivation. But also I don't blame her whatsoever. actually watching this travel montage like we usually get on these shows.

I don't know if you've seen those memes where it's like new Ick unlocked. And I think my new ick is housewives flying coach because it's like, oh, have some like self-respect crawling into these cramped quarters. I want to see the glamour. I want to see them in like first class or flying private. Yeah. And they can do more of their thing instead of having like little tiny moments of lowering their mask on like a cell phone camera and being like, yay.

getting wacky, but not, ooh, got to buckle up, you know. Let's see them in the, let's see them in the PJ drinking champagne. That's just more television. Yeah, for sure. Did you have any other highlights from New York? Yeah, it's funny and also kind of relatable all the way Pav. It's going to go to, like, Vietnam for like two days. Like, that's just, it's kind of a weird thing to do.

But I can't, like, fault his defense. It's like, he's like, yeah, you know, I'm going to go have a good Ban Mi sandwich. And Jekyll says, like, so what are you going to do, spend time with a sandwich? And like, yeah, man, why not? If you have the means to fly to Vietnam, you get a really good fucking sandwich that fly out, sounds like a good life. Yeah, I mean, if you're going to be flying there, you know, it's maybe like two grand round trip, plus like a couple nights in Vietnam, a bond me is not that expensive.

No, that's not the financial commitment buying the bottom. But if you're like doing the math and being like, okay, I'm going to spend $20,000 on a bond me sandwich. Yes, that seems kind of crazy. But when you compare it to spending

$60,000 on coloring, as Pavett has mentioned for the preschool, you know, it's a bit more understandable. Yeah, sure. And also I feel it what he's like, When she's like, you know, you're going to spend 20 hours of the plane. It's like, being on a plane is a vacation for me.

And yeah, you know, be on a plane is a vacation. I know some people hate being out of planes. I think it's cool to just like have to be seated in one spot for a long time. You got your books with you. Yeah, you got some movies on the screen if you watch during the daylight hours. You can look out the window and see the ocean and cool scenery and stuff. That is a vacation. You know, you have no choice but to just fucking chill.

Like, yeah, being on a plane for 20 hours is part of the vacation. That's not a hassle for me. That's like part of the experience. So I feel that. Totally. And ginger ale tastes better when you're flying. Soda's tomato juice. Yeah.

And airport food, when you're spending that much money on airport food, it like tastes that much better. Airport food rules. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck those 90s jokes. They're wrong. Airport food is awesome. Get a little tiny bottle, when you get a little tiny bottle of wine, it's the best.

You know what I mean? Like a little like like like a mini bar bottle of. wine, you pour it into a little plastic cup, a little tiny dessert that's like two bites. There's, there's all these like little like burger restaurants and like it's, they're all branded a different way in every different airport, but they're exact same menu. Like, it's exact same burger, but it's because it's the best burger. Like it's the best burger that you can get. You're paying $20 for this, this burger, but it's the best. Full soft. That's the end of my rant. You can't argue with the best.

Maybe no Vietnam ban me, but you know, it's up there. All part of the experience. What other highlights did you have? Good to have Uber back. I really like her line when she sees a space she likes and says, I could come here with a donkey. I don't know what the fuck that means.

That's awesome. You know what that means? I could come here with a donkey. No, I didn't even catch that. When did she say that? I think she says it when they are introduced to their living quarters. And I think she says it in the sense of like, I really enjoy this space.

Oh, I'm going to start saying that now. Yeah, me too. Aaron comes off looking bad again, I think, right? Like, just showing up with her fucking butternet squash soup and then scaring off with gossip. You know, just a very, very duplicitous move to just be like to just wheedle her way in with like, like with a hot steaming broth, like some fucking fairy tale character. and then like steal something from a larder and run off with it. Spread mischief. Yeah, definitely like not a cool move, but I loved it.

Like I was waiting to see Aaron do something like this. And to see her pull a page that is, you know, I could see something like Tamara doing exactly this. Like coming in, you know, being so warm and to the point of like Jenna being like, oh, I get to see Mother Aaron and then her to come out and completely misrepresent something that Jenna was like kind of joking about and use it to cause

drama. I love to see this. I was glad to finally see Aaron doing something. I've changed my tune a little bit on on Aaron since we had that episode with Sandy a couple weeks back where she was like, actually Aaron is doing a lot to

just be annoying and stir shit up. and yeah I totally see that point now I am seeing Aaron's light and it sucks but it's also great yeah I haven't quite warmed up to her that much but I see what you're saying yeah she has been kind of you're starting to treat her collectively more like a villain and with this she's starting to like act the role a bit more like she's starting to like you know that that is an actual like villainous thing to do so respect for that also Bryn is like getting really intense with her like uh anti-gena position and i think she's like i feel like we've seen a lot of her trying to take opportunities to take shots at jenna and i think she feels now that she has

her chance to kind of go all in and she's really um she she's she's really going for her it seems at the end there and i think she's just getting started i'm not really sure um why she thinks that's what she needs to do what do you think okay so part of me wants to like frame brin as kind of a master mind because I really like her. I like what she's bringing to this this cast. It could be that she sees Jenna as being this person who is not facing any sort of opposition within the group dynamic. And if she's really eager to carve out something for herself within this group, you know, creating a divide there and being someone that is going to go up against a Goliath, I think. I think that's a valid motivation for someone that if they are seeing the housewife as like a social game, which not everyone is, and we've talked about that before, that you don't need to do that in order to be a good housewife.

But, you know, Bryn makes, we haven't seen how she makes her money. Presumably she makes it by winning chess tournaments. And so she's thinking two moves ahead of everyone. and I'm choosing to believe that. Not based on the available evidence. I did love that part where she's playing chess with shy and she's like, okay, so the thing is, you've got to protect the ponds. Most people think you don't predict the cons. That's rule one.

You protect the ponds. And Sye's like, Brynn, I'm winning. Yeah, she's not thinking two moves ahead. She's thinking two games ahead. Right. She's playing 3D chess. She's on that con shit. Yeah, I guess basically my best interpretation was that it's just like straight up going for the most powerful person in the group.

Like just like straight up gombay chimpanzee shit. Like just like identifying the person who has like the most like clout and just being like, okay, I'm going to attack them. That's the best way to strike the by by weakening the strongest one. but seems risky. But there seems to be a general turn after these new events towards like feeling more okay with being anti-gena. The tide does seem to be turning a bit. Yeah, one thing that I like about how she's approaching this is yes, she is kind of going all out, but she is, she's framing it in a way that it's not like she can't come back from this.

Like she's saying like I'm going at you because you aren't open enough with me. You don't share enough with me. And she's framing this as being like motivated by wanting to build a stronger connection. And that's where this tension is coming from. So, you know, I think she's leaving a lot of moves open for herself to potentially turn this into a very strong bond, depending on how everything shakes out, which is different than how I think, Cy, who is starting to turn on Jenna is approaching things. She's saying, you know, oh, she's, you know, Jenna's self-serving. She's like only putting in her collabs into these

gift boxes because she wants to build her brand and stuff like that, which is more, I feel like that's more of an attack that is going to be harder to come back from with Jenna because, you know, it seems like a personal attack that isn't motivated by anything other than just calling someone selfish and self-serving. Yeah, it is. If that's a strategy, it is also risky to, to approach somebody who, like, maybe is a little uneasy about making friendships automatically and with the position of basically being, if you're not going to be my friend, I'm against you. that could be risky we got a scene in

LA with with Bryn and her brother I wanted to talk about that a little bit It's a good bro action at the start here we go Yeah Double brothers Double brothers I thought that this I liked seeing this scene because I think

you have pointed out that we have Like Bryn had started off as a pretty like one dimensional character in the way that she was operating. I thought that this gave us a lot of perspective on

her relationships. This episode opened up with like previously on Real Housewives of New York and we got a clip of Gideon. I'm like, oh, maybe Gideon's going to come back. But really what that was doing was setting up this conversation with Bryn and

her brother where it talks about her avoidance of commitment and, you know, how she is, you know, avoiding commitment because she is afraid of getting too close because of her past with her family. And I thought that this like was a really engaging scene because it's so complex this relationship that she has with family because she wants a family so, um, so badly, but also it's so fearful of, you know, creating a bad family the environment because she's got so much trauma in her past relating to it. It was a real highlight for me to see that because slowly I feel like we're seeing how the, uh, the brain that we got at

the beginning of the season is constructed by all these past events. And, um, I just love the complexity that we're getting, you know, built on onto Bryn as a character. Yeah, for sure. It's definitely good to see, her motivations and her fears get fleshed out a little bit more. And having a sibling come in, like we have with Jenna earlier, too, is always a good thing for me because it's like the person you do the least performance with is your sibling. You know, it's like you're the most like just like straight up without like trying to prove anything or like play a character or anything.

So it's always interesting to me when we get a sibling come out and get to see a character from that angle. Yeah, totally. Did you have any other highlights from New York? That about covers it, I think. I do like the setting in Anguila, that kind of like Santorina-style building and with like the big open windows and stuff. And you get kind of that like Alex Colville painting kind of aesthetic happening with their conversations while they eat horrible cold food. It was visually nice near the end.

I hope they spend some more time there. Yeah. I love that we got a little bit of. a room drama. I think that's one of the, one of the staples of housewife girls trips is some sort of conflict or some interesting dynamic in terms of how room selection happens.

So I was glad to see at least a little bit of a nod to it, even if it wasn't fireworks, but for Jenna to be like, oh, I got this, you know, charming little room and then to see Jessel's room and be like, oh, okay, I'm, I'm actually being punished here. I enjoyed that. Yeah, yeah.

It's always good to see. I think that about covers it for New York for me. Let's talk about Real Housewives of Orange County. What were your thoughts there? John's not beating the allegations of being a shitty partner by his attempts at like showing affection to Shed and by scratching her back. Like he's like checking his dog for ticks.

Just like the weirdest, like least sensual backscrass. I've ever seated my life. Yeah, and this was, this scene felt like such a setup scene. Like, I do not buy that John spent the night, Pat Shannon's at all. Like, I feel like he showed up there to make it look like on camera.

He spent the night there. It felt so staged. He was way more put together than, than she was. So, yeah, I don't buy it. No, no, neither do I. It was totally. up just like they tried to plan to have them doing something that reads sensual to the camera

to prove that they actually are like a proper couple and it just came off so bad. It just didn't work at all. So what do you think is a more awkward display of affection? The Shannon and John back massage or itching or the awkward spooning paparazzi photos from Heather and Terry. Oh, yeah. It's a tough competition. they like I mean Heather and Terry actually look in those photos like they're people who tolerate each other but it is it is if they did like call the paparazzi to like see them at Disneyland that is like pretty funny yeah also I don't understand just been a number of lines as we can understand when Heather is talking about it and she says yeah okay where there's spoke

where there's fire, but you know what else there is? Arson. What doesn't she mean by that? I completely don't get that. Someone is setting her and John on fire, but who could it be? I guess. But I thought she was replying to the where there's smoke, there's fire in the sense of, like, it seems suspiciously like they're set up. She's like, yeah, well, you know what? Sometimes fires are planned. Like, yeah, that's the, that's the accusation that's being made here. That it's planned. True. Tamara did do a great job of just like stirring up everybody at the conversation near the end. Just like great masterclass and just like sewing chaos and pretending like she's not the one doing it.

I just love the way she's just like is like taking Shannon's side, being Shannon's defender and her sidekick. And then being like, yeah. And like when you said that that Gina's boyfriend is a small penis. right? Just throws that in there. Just kind of like, I don't think Gina's bad enough at Shannon. Let me throw something else on. Let me throw another log on the fire there.

A very small log. A very small log. Right. Oh, my God. And Gina's attempts to defend Travis's penis. Oh, my God. When she's like, I think Travis has a lovely size. penis. If I overheard somebody I slept with saying like, oh, I think his penis is lovely sized.

I'm running a bath and bringing a straight racer in with me. That is brutal. That is so devastating. He's not coming back from that. Yeah, she talked about his penis the same way. Jenna lines talked about the room. She got stuck in. Very charming size. Charming, yeah. But yeah, no, I totally agree. I thought that Tamara was, like you said, putting on a master class. I said to Jess while we were watching him, like, anyone that is out there saying that Tamara shouldn't have been brought back is just flat out wrong.

Like, she is so awesome to watch. I feel like she brings so much to the show. And without her, I feel like we. we would have got a very boring season. Oh, yeah. I didn't watch last season, but I keep thinking, like, what were they doing without her?

Like, who was the engine without her? Because she's the engine of, like, every episode. Last season was an all right, decent season of Orange County. But, yeah, Tamara coming back just really elevates the show. Oh, yeah, yeah. That whole conversation was just an amazing display of turning everybody against each other.

and making it come off like she's not the one doing fucking everything. Yeah. I loved how the edit treated her too. Like in that early scene with Shannon and John and Tamara, we've got like Shannon saying, talking about how no one else's opinion matters and immediately cuts to Tamara giving a confessional where she's like, John not talking about marriage, that's a red flag,

like immediately giving her opinion. I don't know whether it's what Tamara gives or the editor is just like knowing how to work her. But it's just such a lovely symbiotic relationship to see how she gets treated throughout the season. Yeah. And you're not going to like nail Tamara down by like breaking a proof of her being hypocritical because she like owns up to it. Like she's nakedly admits that she like will adjust her behavior and whose side she's on based on the circumstances in the situation. So you can't be like,

aha, I found a contradiction in your opinions because she like is totally open about that's what, that's how she is. Yeah. What other highlights do you have from this episode? Heather's getting just more and more annoying to me. I don't. I don't find it cute the way that she's like prompting her interviewer

into giving her opinion on vintages of Don Perignon. That's just that. It's a very tacky way to like to try to like to try to make everybody like see you as as being like wealthy and knowledgeable nothing wrong with being like proud of being like a wine geek wine geeks are a cool type of geek and if you know a lot about wines it's that's that's that's that's cool to flaunt that but like it's just like the most like basic uh rich person who doesn't necessarily know much about anything moved to be like one domperignon vintage is better than

another ask me about Don Perignon. That's what I loved actually about Tamara's Heather Du Ho impression went from a few episodes back, which I thought was great because I thought she really seized on the fact that a good impression of somebody isn't just like imitating the way they talk and act. It's about creating a character based on something that you get from the person. And like, and the fact that she's got like her gold-plated money gun and it's like shooting money everywhere.

And Heather's like, I don't shoot a money gun. That's day class A. It's like just like underscores like how much she nailed Heather's like basic tackiness. Not in a literal sense. Like of course Heather doesn't literally do that. Yeah. But like so much of her attitude is like effectively that kind of like like tacky, cheap displays of like obviously trying to flaunt wealth. So yeah.

Heather Duhoe was just a great moment of this of the show for me. Yeah, I, you know, I agree about Heather and her tackiness. I do kind of like her on screen. There's something about her, I can't really put my finger on it, but I do think that we get some interesting reactions from her. I think, you know, she's above replacement level, housewife, I feel. I like the edit that we got of like the MIB edit. I think she's not a she's not like a villain but she's a bit of a heel I guess.

Like she's she's not someone that you want to root for but I think she is functionally a good housewife because she, the way she gets worked up and it just it adds a jeune-sac-qua. Sure. as Heather might say yeah I really loved when Shannon called out her like fake tears I thought the lunch between Heather and Shannon was a really fun scene

because they are both housewives that are they're kind of natural housewives they're not able to they're not strategic in any sense they just kind of naturally bring something with Heather it's you know this tackiness this like this weirdness that I described

and with Shannon it's just being so unintentionally messy and just naturally kind of funny. And to put them in and just see that chemistry emerge, I thought was really, really fun to see. I think it gets down to something that's at the root of these shows that I really like about watching these dynamics. Plus Shannon did have a really good line when she was like,

maybe you can put this lunch in your IMDB. Yeah. That was a good line well delivered. Yeah. That was excellent. Yeah, I thought that it was interesting to watch this lunch again because, you know, when we got to see it play out on TV, there was like editor receipts about, you know, Heather claiming that she wasn't peddling this information. And then the editor show she clearly was peddling this information. and I, you know, it kind of put at the forefront just how bad Heather is at playing this strategically.

And really like, you know, despite that, I find her to be an engaging housewife. Watching her try to work Shannon over this piece of information is so, it was like, you know, watching someone try to work a training dummy. Like, it's just, you know, it's, you're not really showing your strength by, by doing. this in any way and I feel like it's so much you know it's a in Shannon's mind it's a bigger bombshell than what is going on between her and Gina but I feel like the way that this plays between Gina and Shannon is so much more interesting and nuance just because of their personalities I guess Yeah, and it definitely got worse at the end, so that's going to be fun.

I would have liked to have seen more of Shadden this season, but, you know, unfortunately, God did strike her dead. R.I.B. Shadden. Jita had some good lines, too. I do like when, like, they're walking into their fucking errostic pumpkin carving thing, and she's like, oh what are those things growing weeds in reference to corn was that cheetah who said that I think that was cheetah who said that but she had my favorite line of the week when she's like Tamara has a spoon in every pocketbook that she owns yeah was she saying she does cocaine or was that like just

total I feel like she was trying to make a metaphor for something and I don't know what it was I don't know what she was well she was saying like she's got a spoon in every pocket that she owns like for stirring the pot I think is what she was caught. Okay. That's pretty awkward. I liked it. Yeah, but she led into it by saying she's twisting everything.

She should have led into it by saying she likes to stir the pot, which she didn't say, I don't think. She says, like, she keeps twisting everything people say. She's always twisted what people say. She's got a spoon in every pocket she owns. So it didn't read as like something that, one phrase that follows another. I was trying to figure out what it is. and I'm like, is she accusing her of having a cocaine addiction? I don't know what she means.

Yeah, no, I thought that, like, having a spoon in every pocket, I think that that is like a really good foundation for a zinger, but you're right, she did not execute it well. I hope that Tamara uses it for her tagline next season, though. I think it's got real raw potential. Yeah, I'm not sure how. I may have a spoon in every pocket, but I don't know. that's a punchline it's like something something something but i got a spoon in every pocket

we'll work on it yeah yeah we'll work on that i'll come up but speaking of taglines we get to we get to power rank taglines that sweet which i'm super stoked about because real hostways it's all like city premieres yeah yeah i can't wait that's my favorite part of the show i'm just here to rank taglines yeah nice yeah did you have any other highlights from this um no not really uh they suck at carving pumpkins, but you know, that's, that's, that's fine. I'm not going to drag anybody through the mud because they suck at carving pumpkins. So that's just have to deal with it, I guess. So I love carving pumpkins. It's one of my favorite things about Halloween. But one point of contention between my wife, Jess and I is that I say you always open the pumpkin from the bottom. You cut the bottom

instead of the top. And that's what they do. That's what they did here. That's what, The expert, it said expert under her. They said that this was a pumpkin carving expert. She said cut at the bottom, not the top. Jessica. I'm with Jessica in this one. No, I've never cut out of the bottom. I think that's perverse.

I think it's just unnecessarily grotesque. And it's insulting to a lot of people's sensibilities, religious and philosophical. I think that you take the top off and then you've got a little cap that you can take off and then put the candle in and then you put the little cat back on and it's a fun thing to do. But you still have the handle when you cut the bottom. It's just you need to pick up the bottom. You can take off. So then you shove your hand in there to light your candle and burn your hand while you do it?

No, no. We practice it beforehand, of course. But then you can move the pumpkin around and it doesn't have this gaping hole in the bottom where the candle will fall out of. It's nestled inside. It's actually inside. And it doesn't have a huge wound. It's not a wounded dying pumpkin.

It's an intact sphere still. It's got its whole head there. It's very selfless of you to want wounds on your own hands as opposed to on the pumpkin. It's all about what's best for the pumpkin. It's not about what's best for me. That's why you're looking at it wrong. Okay. I guess I guess I am corrected.

Also, if you, If you're not roasting the seeds, what kind of an expert is that? This is wasteful. Didn't Shannon or someone ask if they were going to roast them for them? Yeah, somebody did. I can't remember who. It was it Shannon? But yeah, that's why I said it.

And then they're like, no. Come on, you got a little tasty-ass seeds. I think these are fake pumpkin experts. I think they just showed up. I don't think they know what the fuck they're doing. I don't even seed a pumpkin before. The other thing that I wanted to talk about was Emily getting her. her biker, her motorcycle license are going to a motorcycle class.

I really enjoyed this scene off the top. Mostly watching the retail employees and the Harley Davidson saw having to deal with the real housewives showing up and shooting a scene inside the Harley Davidson. It was not a setting that we usually get. And then to watch later that Tamara went with Emily to this class, we got a clip when she clearly knows how, to ride a motorcycle because we saw her right into the beginning of this season on a motorcycle

and just go and stop and get like praise from the instructor like oh you're doing a great job yeah no it was a fun seat also i've i've made some jokes about jita's fashion sense before on the show i think um i think i have maybe it was just in my head but her showing up at the harley star with her like harley like varsity style jacket and tennis skirt awesome look great look Yeah, totally. No, I've got a list of all the shots you've taken at Gina and my hit list because I stand her. Yeah, yeah, I believe you said that you want someone to love you like Gina loves denim. Yeah, it's the most recent one.

Yeah. I didn't see a denim look this episode and I was looking. What was she wearing a pumpkin carving, Craig? Oh, yeah, I don't know. I wasn't actually looking. Okay. Where's the editor here to roll the? tape. Yeah, I'm actually only 80% on that, but it's a safe bet when you're talking about

Sita. I enjoyed that we got to see someone else with a spoon, just hear her voice. Teddy, who I feel is an underrated housewife. She was very hated by the band base, but I love Teddy. And to see that she had a hand in stirring up drama at this pumpkin party was lovely for me. You know, she, she has a podcast with Tamara, and she went on when Tamara wasn't there to shit talk, a castmate that Tamara is actively, like, shooting with. I just thought that that was an excellent move. Right. And Tamara, of course, pretends like, oh, no, this is an unfortunate timing when he's obviously just happy to bust it out and talk about it. You know, like, as if Heather is even going to, like, listen to her podcast every week and it's going to, like, be too dead.

instead like tabby just shows i'm like i have to warn you about what was just said and that i agree with and that i'm going to double down on it's too bad this had to happen but i like that she waited until they sat down for lunch and then she it seemed to me that she was going to make a speech but instead she was like i just want to say something to hether for everyone else to hear teddy went really hard on you about the stage paparazzi photos. Yeah, yeah. I think that about covers all, everything that I want to talk about for Orange County. Do you have any other highlights? No, I think that about covers it for me too. Awesome. Well, that about does it for this week then. Dylan, do you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, well, it's still in progress,

so I'm going to keep mentioning my new limited four-episode podcast series, The Devil You Don't, which is about the Jersey Devil and his many intersections, over 300 years of American history. He is the four scump of cryptids, just getting his little hands on everything. The final episode is going to be out on Friday, and the rest are all out right now. So wherever you're listening to this, you could find the devil you'd don't show about cryptozoology, history, and a bunch of weird shit. Awesome.

Yeah, and definitely check it out. Episode 3 has a shout out to Mosa Gorga in it, and I was very pleased to hear it when I was. Which comes from Sean O'Rourke, actually. I was resisting my big Real Housewives of New Jersey references the whole show, and then Sean just bust one out. I'm like, all right, well, you did it, not me. Awesome. Well, that's Bravo Outsider for this.

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