Oscars Outsider - Real Housewives of Salt Lake City S05E04 & Real Housewives of New York City S15E02 Recap/Analysis

Episode Date: October 13, 2024

This week we're diving into the season 15 premiere Real Housewives of New York City as well as the latest episode of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. If you enjoyed this breakdown, don’t forget to hit the like button, comment below your favorite moment, and subscribe for more Bravo content! Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 01:06 - Real Housewives of New York City S15E02 recap 41:38 - Subscribe 43:57 - Real Housewives of Salt Lake City S05E04 recap 1:20:22 - Add me on Chess.com 🥂 About Bravo Outsider The Bravo Outsider Podcast offers an outside perspective on Bravo shows like The Real Housewives, unlike any other Bravo podcast! We focus on the artistic value of these shows while providing strategic analysis of the social game at the core of the Bravo docu-soap. We love thick literary references and diving into themes before diving into the drama! 🍸Featured Bravolebs: Real Housewives of New York City: Sai De Silva, Ubah Hassan, Erin Lichy, Jenna Lyons, Jessel Taank, Brynn Whitfield, Racquel Chevremont, Rebecca Minkoff Real Housewives of Salt Lake City: Heather Gay, Lisa Barlow, Meredith Marks, Angie Katsanevas, Mary Cosby, Bronwyn Newport, Britani Bateman, Meili Workman 📣 Stay Connected: Find Bravo Outsider: On your podcast platform of choice: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/bravo-outsider/ Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/bravooutsider TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@bravooutsider https://www.bravooutsider.com Find Dylan Ferguson: Substack: https://dylanferguson.substack.com/ Find Craig Midwinter: chess.com: https://www.chess.com/member/craigjmidwinter Find Sandy Klowak Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/corporealcurios⁠⁠ Find Tim Gray: Instagram: https://instagram.com/timgrayrulez 📖 Credits Music by FASSounds from Pixabay #RHOSLC #RHONY #bravo #realitytv #RealHousewives

I've come very far in my life to a whole like that. And I haven't yelling at you. This isn't like Staten Island. Don't call me Staten Island. Okay, I'm a born and raised city person. So please, like, let's not even. Yeah, like, please. She called Aaron Staten Island.

Right. Because Staten Island is like the garbage district. Later, she called Sy Rikers Island. What is that? This is New York. This is Manhattan. It's not Rikers Island. So she's upping her islands, I think, as far as,

As size behavior. It's so hard to escalate island. Poo-poo, your poo-poo Island. Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter. Joined today by Dylan Ferguson, Ferggy Ferg, and we're going to do a bit of a panel style. We've also brought in Sandra Cloack and Tim Gray.

We've got two great episodes to dive into. We're going to talk about the latest episodes of Real Housewives of New York and Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Let's get right into it. Let's start in New York. Dylan, do you want to give us a summary of New York? I'd love to. Yeah, it's like, it's in New York State. There's a few buildings.

It's founded in 1900. New York City is the capital city. Actually, it's even the capital city. Wikipedia, Wikipedia. Oh, my God. You get crushed. at the next trivia night. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess we get a bit of Jenna and Cy carrying over their conflict from the previous episode, having a bit of an outdoor Arnold Palmer Summit, which is pretty cool. And, which is followed by Aaron and Bryn also

kind of try to hash out their differences in Bryn's apartment. And they all end up, some of them end up at a helicopter on the way to the haptons. Other of them are driving on the way to the haptons. And also Aaron and Abe finally reveal what, what's been tearing them apart. And yeah, I guess this all kind of feels like a lead up to whatever's going to happen when they finally get to the haptons by plane, trainer, automobile. Tim, do you have any questions that were left on your mind after watching this?

Yeah, I had quite a few questions, honestly, because I am just getting into becoming a Bravo insider. So a lot of these characters are very new to me. But the biggest question I probably had on that episode was, how do they get such clean audio in an elevator? I mean, a helicopter. A helicopter? Helicopter. That's true. How did they have like a whole...

Have you done any... If you've never done any audio engineering, you know that. It's hard on a good day, but how are they inside a helicopter? And I've had, like, I can hear clean conversations. And even the characters are like, can we have this conversation after we're out of the helicopter? I can't hear anything. Sounded good to me. Yeah.

I like that as you were saying that, you're like that. like peeking like crazy. That's because Tim is, and not many people realize this in a helicopter right now. He is private, private helicopter playing the real housewives in the background

soaring over the skies. The helicopter is the only place where the DVDs still work, so that's why I'm going to get caught up on all the I'm going to be Let's talk about the artistic presentation of this. Dylan, what did you identify here? I do like the whole scene leading up to the helicopter because just like aesthetically,

I really like the shots of Jessel fighting for her life on the tarmac with like, again, the worst fashion choice possible for the moment on like a cloudy, rainy, windy day going up to a helicopter wearing some billowing outfit that she's like that's just trailing in mud and just wrapping around her. And Brin consistently mean is like, that's Jessel in a nutshell. And she's kind of right. Like, Jessel is so like Charlie Brown coated sometimes.

She's just so like very good grief core. She's very, she's just does have that kind of like private rain cloud thing, which is, is really funny. And, uh, and, and, and that struggle of her to like, wear this outfit. and get into the helicopter, followed by her making, like, really hilarious faces that make her look like, like, Stephen Tyler when she's getting, like,

nauseous in the air. It was just really funny. The whole lead up to that was very, was very good to me. I think aesthetically, that was, like, the scene that, that charmed me the most. Sandy, how about you? I was noticing a theme in this episode,

with the content of respectability and coming back to that in several different ways, especially with how Bryn was choosing her strategies in her conversations. We, yeah, so Brin was really mad at Aaron for being involved in that radio conversation that that implied that she was a sugar baby or something like that. The Aaron didn't say that outright. She kind of laughed along with them. So she's so hurt by that. That's the core of this conflict.

But then Brin seems to be, I mean, I guess I understand. Like that's a really sore point. And she's then kind of weaponizing that against others. So she called Aaron Staten Island as in like low, what was the context there? Does anyone remember? She's implying that she was like unsophisticated. Yeah. Like that she didn't have the sophistication of, you know, being from Manhattan.

Right. Because Staten Island is like the garbage. district. Later she called Sy Rikers Island. So she's uping her islands, I think, as far as as Sye's behavior. It's so hard to escalate

islands. But she did it. Poo! Your poo poo island. Is there a worse island? There's a garbage island somewhere. Yeah.

She'll find it. I love that. idea of like weaponizing geography. Yes. We always come back to geography. Well, truly in New York, it is such like a big thing. Like it impacts the like their social, the way that people look at each other. Like the address is so important.

We saw on the premiere of New York when Aaron and Abe are talking about potentially moving and that the idea of like being in a townhouse is like something that is held in such high regard. Yeah, it seems like it's such an important part of the kind of the social atmosphere within New York that it's unsurprising that we see it kind of used in this way to make like, you know, kind of passive aggressive digs or just plain aggressive digs by making the comparison or trying to place someone in a specific. geography and characterizing them based on that. We also see that was at the core of that beef between Aaron and Jessel last season

or talking about Tribeca and whether it's up and coming or not. Geography is just like such an important thing here and I think that that's not something that we see to the same, like we don't see anything to that extent on any of the other franchise

so yeah I really love that. That's a great pickup Yeah, Sandy. Tim, how about you? Anything stand out to you in terms of the presentation here? Yeah, well, I thought that the wigs, the wig purchasing scene, followed by, I think Aaron and who was she fighting with there? What's your name? Jenna? Or no, Bryn? Brin? They had like a conversation on the couch there, and I thought it was quite interesting. Like, it is, I could see this is, this, this kind of a moment being one of the reasons why I can really sink my teeth into this show, because it, it felt really genuine.

Like, it felt really, like, they, they still had to hit their points about why they're fighting, and why they're mad and why this conflict and why they, you know, and they needed, both stand in their own character, but they were also kind of, they were there for each other, like, and they're, you know, they had like a moment of crying, and it didn't feel exploited of, of her mother's battle with cancer. It's just interesting how much that changed the dynamic, but that they still stayed with their, what they needed to discuss,

what they needed to push forward, what they needed to. You know what, watching these shows, do you think that, like, these real housewives characters, they're like the new royal family of, like,

a Western post-capitalists society or like I just feel I feel almost bad for these people because they do expose so much of their life and stuff like that and they're they play it in a certain way I feel like they should be just given like a mat they should be taking care of financially for the rest of their lives after just becoming so much woven into the culture just like sports is you know our tax money goes to building stadiums our tax money should go making sure that these people uh stay clothed and fed

Yeah, the case of New York, they should get a free pass. They got an open tab at the Regency covered by taxpayers. That's what I'm saying. But yeah, anyways, that wig scene was very nice. I thought that was handled well, displayed well, rolled out well. I like that they start off with that too. It does feel like it's kind of setting the stage for this idea of like, oh, you know, wig is like, uh, it's both like a fakery, but also it's really, it can be like a kind of

empowerment thing. And that seems to be what they're highlighting here. It's like, oh, I'm choosing to, to, you know, it's like, I'm choosing to change my hair because you have no choice but to change your hair mom. So like, I'm going to like assume this, this thing for you. And that's like something we, we see all the time is this, uh, this idea of being like, I'm going to like, uh, pretend I'm a little different than what I am, not as like a way of being ashamed of something, but as a way of displaying my confidence for somebody else. And we have support. Yeah, we have support.

That kind of rhymes with some other things in this episode, like maybe Aaron's husband A being like, well, I just felt like I had to like kind of fake it till I make it a bit and pretend that I could provide the lifestyle that I thought Aaron needed. Or even one of my favorite lines when Jenna is taking her kids to the rock climbing. And she shows up and she's like, I was going to say that we want to climb, but that would be putting it too strongly. So I'm going to say, we will climb.

And she's like forcing herself to like to like do this thing and and acting like she's like more confident than she is because she thinks that's what her kid needs. She doesn't actually want to do that, but she's got to force herself to do it. She will climb whether she wants to or not. those things kind of rhyme a little bit to me. So I just like, yeah, I feel like starting off with the wig and putting that like first thing of the episode is kind of like, it sets the stage for how we're going to look at everything else afterwards. The first scenes are always so important. You know, I feel like you've always kind of like start thinking about what's happened in the first scene for the rest of the episode because it was placed there at the head for a reason.

Yeah, totally. Let's get a quote. Tim, was there a quote that stood out to you here? Yes, there is. You're going to lose my camera for a quick second. Okay, okay, don't freak out. Oh my God, he's invisible. Well, yeah, there was like one line.

It was just like a cutback. It was a scene I have no context for it. I just thought it was funny. It was like, this is just like the cheese. And then cuts to like a black and white thing. It's like, the cheese? that's that's really funny because that the cheese last season was like a conflict that like we got introduced to all these people as they were fighting about cheese like

cheese was something that happened prior to the cameras rolling or I guess um there's kind of speculation that this was a reference to something that happened with a cast member who didn't make the final cut of the cast and was not on the show. So, yeah, but yeah, that's really funny that we got a call back to that. Speaking of things that, like, got cut and didn't make it in the show, did anybody else that had it crazy that they're apparently all boxing and we never got any clips of it in the show, right? We get like a tiny, tiny little image of them, like all wearing boxing gloves.

Or a lot of them, I can't remember who, but several of them were together wearing boxing gloves and apparently boxing and we'd like never actually see that happen really other than like the tiniest clip why would they why would they oh yeah that's true maybe something happened oh i have a question for people who are familiar with somebody's ear up in love that's why one of the characters you only see them profile for the rest of the season Evander Holofields in the back. So like New York City, it's a dangerous place. Has anybody ever been killed on this show on screen?

No, okay, this is funny. There's actually been no housewives who have died. On screen? Ever? Well, not on. Yeah, not on. Since like, Real Housewives of Orange County premiered on all the Bravo shows,

no one that has been a housewife has died. Isn't that crazy? That's like, that is the secret to immortality is to sign of one of these shows. Yeah. Wow. Hundreds of women who have been housewives and not one death. That's,

you know, deal with the devil. That's what I'm saying. They went down to the, they went down to Georgia. and had like a RuPaul style competition with the devil and make an outfit and do a catwalks with the devil doing lip-sick battles with the devil

yeah lip-sake battles with the devil okay let's let's talk strategy Sandy, was there anything that stood out to you strategy-wise on this episode? I mean, obviously the Bryn stuff we've brought up, the threatening text that she sends off-camera, like, to her friends to this group were pretty fascinating to hear about and chilling. She's like, I'm like carbon monoxide or whatever. That was amazing.

So she's a pretty interesting person. interesting they chose to bring that up now I don't know I kind of I love to hear other people's thoughts on on that and what Bryn is doing but super interesting yeah I feel like Brin is just being messy because that's what the show needs

to be honest like I think she's yeah just being messy she might just be a messy person in general and it works out great for the show. I don't know. I don't know. I can't really see a long game for what she's doing here. It does feel like she is doing this based on emotion.

Like I think when we hear the like kind of discussion about Brin wanting to be like best friends with everyone and not like have everyone be friends with each other, that doesn't seem like something that it's like. out of, it's not coming from a place of like strategizing how to manipulate the social structure for the sake of the show to like find a place on top. It feels like it's coming from like an emotional need to be like the closest to people and being like jealous of other people's close relationships. So I don't think that it's necessarily a strategic thing. I think it is like a purely emotional thing. And that is pretty consistent from what we see from brand.

Like she's a bit of an open book surrounding the like the trauma that she has in her childhood and um how she seeks the approval of other people and how that like courses through her her personality. Like we saw a great scene last season with Bryn where she's talking about how she always felt like if she could be, you know, um, cute and and funny and and flirty that, uh, it would make her feel. like, uh, safe. Like, that's how she, she felt like safe and secure with people. And that really informs her, her personality. I feel like this is just another instance of her, like, wanting to form like personal connections, being jealous of like other people's connections or insecure about other people's connections. And it just kind of manifesting through her behavior.

Yeah, I think she has a bit of a bit of a, yeah, curious. Yeah, a bit of an open book with no pictures. And, But I think she's also just so petty, really, which is I kind of find it hilarious how petty and childish she is. Like when Aaron comes to see her and she's like, this bitch deserves tap and just puts on a glass of tap water. Make sure the puppy isn't there so she cannot see the puppy. And then when Eric opens the door, she's like slouched in the corner of her couch, just like a pouty teenager, like intentionally looking at her phone being like, hey, you can come in, I guess. there's water over there. Like just like how like childish and petty she is in their reactions is kind of really, really funny to me.

And but I think you're right. Like she doesn't hide the fact that that comes from kind of a place of like longstanding insecurity. It, I imagine that would be super annoying if that was like my close friend who, who acted like that. But it does make for a really funny TV. Yeah.

You mean I don't act like that? I would give her credit, though, that she totally was like... She was honest about it. She's like, I hid the dog and gave you tap because I was mad at you. And I really appreciate that. She's petty and passive-aggressive, but then honest about it. So I like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I like that, too. This is apropos. of nothing but my cooch is numb yeah do you remember that from the show jessels in the helicopter

it's like I gotta pee I'm hungry and just before the camera cuts my cooch is numb I thought you were just giving us an update on you Tim great honesty from this show oh I just got to text update for my cooch, it's none.

Stop it. Get some help. My piece of strategy also relates to Bryn. I think the battle that she does seem like she's actively choosing that's not based purely on emotion

is this fight that she seems like she's picking against Rebecca regarding the Scientology thing. And I think that this is something that needs to happen. It's obviously a conversation that needs... Oh, okay, there goes one camera. It's obviously a conversation that needs to happen on this show.

The headlines are coming out in real time as we're watching this show. Is that your cooch? The cooch cam. You knocked over your cooch cam. You were making a beautiful point tonight. Yeah. But no, this is something that needs to happen. This conversation around Scientology needs to happen.

And like, Brin is the first person to, like, take the ball and run with it. So I appreciate that this is happening. I think this is a really safe fight for her because, you know, this is someone that's coming into the cast that doesn't have a lot of allies. They're not, like, deeply ingrained. It's not a full-time cast member that, you know, the scandal is breaking. So the fact that someone is going to need to jump on this and Bryn is the one to do it. So I just appreciate that she's doing it and I'm excited to see where it goes. Did any of you guys have any other strategic pieces that you want to discuss here?

Can we just keep talking about the Scientology thing for a minute? Because I thought actually when they do like a little clip up each cast member reacting to Scientology in general, I actually thought the most head-scratching one answer was Jenna's, where she's like, well, I think as all religions will have an extremist faction. And you can't judge a religion based on an extremist faction, which is the right answer if you're talking about like an actual religion, but like doesn't seem to be the right answer when you're talking about Scientology? Like it's like what are the like moderate traditional Scientologists? Like where is the like the mountain village where people practice and central ancestral

Scientology and it's just a little Nona like polishing her John Travolta votive candles like there isn't like a baseline moderate Scientology that doesn't exist like it's a 20th century cult it's like I just feel

like that answer doesn't doesn't check out also it's not like Scientologists are like building soup kitchens or feeding the poor or housing It's like, what good do they serve? Yeah, that was a very funny little slow roll at the end. And then when they asked Jenna if she would ever consider it.

Yeah. Yeah, I like how they kind of put the little stinger at the end. I'm going to be like level-headed about this. And the producer's like, yeah, but would you be a Scientologist? She's like, fuck off. Come on. Yeah.

Somebody was about to say a story about John Travolta, and then they're like, I can't, I can't. Yeah, Aaron does the most annoying thing in the world where she's like, I've got a great story about John Troulton that I'm not allowed to say. He was in a movie. I found Jenna's reaction, like the most, most interesting as well because it actually seemed like it was like she had the most fear of Scientology. Like it felt like she was afraid of like getting on the wrong side of Scientology. And then

when she was like, you know, the producers are like, okay, put your money where your mouth is. Would you be a Scientologist? And, you know, you kind of see her be like, obviously I wouldn't. But it does seem like she didn't want to say anything that is going to anger the Scientologist because she's got the most, you know, the most to lose and maybe also the most like information about Scientology. Right. She's read into the behavior. But that's just like what my gut said watching her conventional. That could be your, that could be the Thetons talking.

Yeah. Yeah. That's her Theatins. But that is intense. And that's like another level of strategy that exists now, even with the introduction of Scientology. and show business. Yeah. I really liked how Bryn handled this, though.

I really like that she was like, well, no comment isn't going to work for us. Like, I'm a publicist. I understand that no comment is not an answer that we can give people. I like how she framed it as being like, what do you want us to say?

Like, not necessarily we're going to say this, but what would you like our talking point to be? It's not like she's like, putting her over the coals about Scientology, she's not confronting her directly about her religion. She just wants to know what answers she should be giving in, if Rebecca has her way and is framing things that way.

I just thought it was a really, like, smart way to, to go about attacking this. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Um, okay, let's, let's get into our highlights. Dylan, what are your highlights? I like Jenna and Cy together a lot. This kind of carries over from the previous episode.

They're both two people on the show that I really appreciate a lot. I like how honest they can be with each other in a sense, how they can be kind of aggressive with each other, and they both sort of appreciate it rather than getting completely set off by it. I didn't hear that one, actually. that's okay I'll keep on rolling I'm

I but I and I appreciated that scene too like I like that it's outdoors and like a mural and with like trees and stuff it was like an aesthetically pleasing

scene uh size always got good outfits I think she she has a yeah yeah she has a bit of like a Fran Leibowitz

look later on when she's looking for jewelry which I thought was cool. So, yeah. That was a good moment. I think contrasting that to like a Bryn and Aaron, it feels like a lot like healthier between the between Sy and Jen and away. Like after Brin and Aaron like make up,

Bryn says like, oh, we're so toxic. But she's kind of like saying that because like, oh, it's like we were kind of like mean to each other than we like each other more. And I feel like what's more toxic about that isn't the fact that they're kind of made to each other. It's more of the fact that they immediately bury. it with the whole like, but you know, I love you so much. And it's just like, it's just because I love you so much. And that's just like a way of like kind of smothering the conversation and not

continuing it. Whereas I feel like with Sai and Jenna, they have that kind of like directness and honesty and maturity where they could like kind of hash it out. And Jenna can actually say, say like, this is what I think you need to do. And this is the kind of vulnerability I think you need to show. And this is in my opinion where where this is coming from. And they can actually kind of follow through those like lines and actually interrogate each other a bit and uh and kind of reach a sort of conclusion with their conversation like it actually kind of goes somewhere it doesn't just get shut down so i just like that seat i thought that was like a nice conversation to have uh and and jena's kind of honesty and in that also is just something that i continue to just

really appreciate on the show i just love uh the way jena tries to like dig into uh people's motives and conversations too. And I love the way that SIE is both emotional and direct. And they just work really well together. I want to see a lot more of Jetta and Sye together. Yeah, totally. I really love that scene as well. Like you said, just visually, it was great.

I love how, you know, like you said, we had the mural in the background providing all this color. We had this awesome outdoor light refracting off of everything. It was like everything was blooming. Just really great scene to watch. It was like surrounded and warm. and life in the city. We've got the like two personalities that are maybe the most magnetic right now,

like between like sigh on her journey that we talked about on the last episode being like really compelling. And Jenna who has always been really compelling to watch and seeing them like overcome this conflict that is making them, you know, grow closer together. It, yeah, was a was a great scene to watch. We have Jenna. with an Arnold Palmer and an ice latte at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With real milk, okay, none of that nuts. Something that comes from an animal that wants the earth, please.

Sandy, how about you? What are your highlights? I really am enjoying Aaron this season. I'm not sure it's, I guess it's interesting to watch her decide what to share with the show. there was that thing last, last episode where he mentioned mushrooms and she freaked out and I'm like, you're really drawn attention to it. And now she's kind of bringing up as we talked about this Bitcoin thing. And I found that really interesting learning about these financial secrets they had. And I'm just, I don't know, I'm just liking what she's bringing. In addition, her little quote

or from the dinner with Abe about her lifestyle before him, they were just, I never had to sleep with anyone. They just flew me around. I'd love to learn more about that. And it ties into that respectability theme of the episode too. So I like that. Yeah, totally. It's interesting that you bring up Aaron's, like, what she's motivated to show the camera and what

she's, like, embarrassed of. And the fact that she is more embarrassed about. you know, making references to mushrooms, consuming mushrooms, and less embarrassed about, like, holding Bitcoin is funny to me. Like, I think she needs to touch grass there a little bit. I knew, I knew that whatever their, like, relationship scandal was, it was going to be something disappointingly dorky and lame. Like, I knew it was not going to be, like, Abe, like,

eh, I've been fucking other women. Like it was going to be something stupid My money was It's being like Oh, I've been seeing fish Instead of the Grateful Dead behind your back But when it came out that it was like I sold the Bitcoin without telling you

I was like there it is Yeah Of course it's going to be something like a dumb like that And how dare he Two years before her mom was diagnosed with cancer She should have known and I checked I checked and if you would have sold it now

five years later it would be worth more money that's how that works it is a really like weird thing for him to like if they're like open with each other about finances and then for him to like sell off of huge asset without telling her that is like pretty sketchy for him to hide huge debts.

I don't know. For sure. Immediately I was like, this guy's got a gambling problem. That's what I thought immediately. But, you know, I could be wrong about that. But, you know, crypto is high risk and people that like risk like gambling. So.

Hey, yes, sir. Hey, I don't know. Life's a gamble. Okay. Tim, what were your highlights here? my highlights here I'm happy that you asked was I really did love that conversation

between Jenna Jenna and her and her teenage son when they were doing the wall climbing and she was telling him about like to talk about going off to college or whatever

and her in a like a loving way say like go as far as you can go somewhere else go and then that you know she's reminiscing about her apartment where she's like it was a six by eight apartment I could go like this and touch the walls like how tall is that lady is she that she's very tall yeah she's pretty tall yeah over six feet winds back wings back that's crazy not not as much as uba but but still a silver medalist on the height olympics of that show um and uh uh yeah

I don't know. I love that moment. I thought it was really touching. And the Bitcoin thing made me laugh out loud. I had to, like, go back. Wait, wait, what? And the Scientology thing in the end. Obviously, it's going back to my point that I made earlier.

My highlight is going to be the audio engineering in that helicopter episode. Yeah. The helicomacic. Truly incredible feat. Yeah. I think my highlight that we have the scene that we haven't talked about that stood out to me is the scene that we got with Raquel and her family when they're like making food or looking for a family recipe in order to make eco friendly or whatever the assignment was. But I just loved this scene where we we have a we've got a family that has like is not a traditional family that we see particularly. trade like super frequently in media where they are taking something that is they're looking

for something traditional in order to like modify it and and bring it into the a more like modern and like sustainable um healthy like iteration of it um i i just like that they were going through this exercise and you know people have just such a strong relationship with food. It's so like caught up in their own like personal traditions or cultural traditions. And I just like the scene that we got where we had them going through this process and trying to update a tradition the same way that we're updating the type of families that were showing on these franchises. I, you know, I, I appreciate that. That is the nice thing about the fluidity of this type of programming. It can change with the

times. It can define the times. Wow. Nice and smug there. Okay, let's get into our stars. Sandy, we'll start with you. Who are your stars from this? Bryn gets a star for her messiness. Aaron gets a star for her honesty and awkwardness with which she does that. And the sad dog in the scene that you just talked about, Craig gets the third star. That sad dog was eating some nice looking steak, though. I think that that sad pampered dog has a pretty good.

He is too fat, though. Dylan, how are you? First star, Jenna Lyons. That happened a lot last season. I think it's going to happen a lot this season. I just really like watching her. I really like hearing what she's going to say. I just think she's just great.

TV. I'll give a second star to sigh again because a sigh also I've been loving what she's bringing from the first episode of the season. Like the outfits, like the intensity, just like her presence. And I might as well give a third start of Bryn too, because her pouty-pettiness was also very fun to watch. Tim, how are you? Well, my first star obviously has to go to the sound engineers on that helicopter scene. My second star, I have to give to Sye. Because honestly, you guys were saying that one scene between Si and Jenna, when they're outside,

and it's so beautiful, it's so well shot. And those two characters are probably the ones that need the least amount of background pumping and production work to elevate and escalate what they're going to talk about and how they're going to play it out on the cameras. But that just took everything to the next level. And just the cutback scenes to see Cy blowing up at a dinner conversation,

those were some epic blowups. She's so articulate and harsh and says her point out really good. Those cutbacks alone are like, okay, now I'm going to go back and watch every episode. And then the third star, yeah, the third star definitely goes to whoever was helping the audio engineers in that helicopter. You can't do this up a low, folks. You can't do this stuff below. Takes a village. Takes a village.

I don't think any of us have mentioned my number one star, which is Aaron. I think that we got a lot out of her here. I think that, you know, we're seeing her try to figure out how to like navigate things for the first time it feels like while we're watching her. Like it feels like, yeah, I don't know. There's there's something like really unsure about the way she is going about this. It feels like once the camera is on her and observing her, she does not know how to behave, like especially on. you know, this discussion that we get with her and Abe, it feels like she's kind of like feeling that out

and she's constantly adjusting what she thinks is the image that she wants to project and what she isn't willing to project. There's, yeah, a certain, like, uncertainty with how she navigates things with Bryn. She just feels like kind of not sure-footed, but we got like a lot of, meandering interactions from her.

And I just found something about that was really interesting for me to watch. Number two is going to be Bryn. And number three, I think Jenna is going to take my number three. I'm excited for next episode, though. I think I feel like we're going to get some explosives and we're going to get a lot more context to see what is truly driving these conflicts. Yeah, it's a good point. Because I just wanted to say that, like, I've often said that I find Aaron the most boring in this cast. But, but like Sandy said, I thought that was that when you look at her from the lens of, like, her trying to decide what to reveal and what not to reveal, it becomes very interesting.

And I think both you guys had, you and Craig both kind of underscore that point that that's like, that's what's most interesting about Aaron is that you see her really on camera trying to decide what to say. and that's actually very interesting to watch her that way. Yeah. Did you guys have anything else before we move on? Cool. I just want to take a moment to let our listeners know. You can find us on both YouTube and your podcast platform of choice. So be sure to go and subscribe, like, leave a comment wherever you can that helps us out a ton.

You know, my soundboard is so slow. I need to really like get on these, but here's drop an oh shit. Yeah. Do you have an airborne? Oh, yeah. For sure I do. Oh, yeah. Like that?

Like and subscribe. I like and subscribe to that. I did daddy from Cincinnati. Oh, my God. Craig got tired of sitting on that button. He had to just drop it in somewhere. Oh, you know what? Another, another line that I love from that show was, uh, maybe I'm mixing.

up the episodes where their husband's like breading chicken and she's like I have breasts that you can bread and batter me I don't think that was this week did I miss that? Oh that might have been I don't know I've been

I stayed up late watching a bunch of it sounds familiar I definitely saw but I don't know who said it was that Jessel and Pavett? I remember Oh yeah you know that might have been like a yeah I think Jessel might have seen like a flash forward or uh or something yeah yeah yeah i have i have breasts that you can you can bread them and batter me yeah this one would be like can you believe their sex light isn't amazing yeah

i would have guessed i want you to treat me like raw chicken and batter me breadcrumbs and shake it around. I want you to rub this U's, this used friar oil I got from the back of the KFC all my body. Is this where you want to be when Jesus comes back? All right, let's get into

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Stop it. Get some help. All right, let's dive into Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Tim, do you want to give us a summary of what happened on this episode? Salt Lake City! Yeah, in this episode, well, I got to say I would felt bamboozled because I thought I was

getting into an episode of Salt Lake City, but guess what? They went to Beer or Soap City, Milwaukee. Yeah, they made all their Milwaukee dreams come true as Heather said. I did not know I was supposed to have Milwaukee dreams. I've never had a Milwaukee dream, and now I feel. like I've been missing out on that. Did you guys have Milwaukee dreams? I think I had my first Milwaukee dream when I was like 14.

I told it's very normal. The women support, Brittany, Lisa plans her own activities. Heather informs Whitney about the prism rumors. jewelry scams Bus fights Curling

Sweep sweep sweep This show into my brain And then of course Vroom Vroom Raleigh Davidson Dining followed by The reason they all went there

A-Drag show Are you drunk Uh-huh Okay, what do you think the number one question that viewers were left with was? The number one question, obviously, that viewers were left with after watching that show was, how am I going to, what am I going to book my trip to Milwaukee? Well, for me, I was, I was wondering, like, they didn't really. I don't know the, is this, this is a newer franchise?

Season 5, so relatively, yeah. Pardon my ignorance. I just, that's that. The biggest question that I think that I was left with was just like, are they going to get it? Are they going to, are they going to get along? Are they going to make it after all? Are they going to make it after all? Are they going to pull this thing off?

They only have 10 days to raise $20,000 for the control. Beauty Center. Okay, I may have been watching the wrong show. Let's talk about the artistic presentation. Dylan, what's it out to you here? Well, right off the bat, starting with an extended Laverne and Shirley reference is great. I'm not even sure how many people are familiar with Laverne and Shirley. in the year 2024.

So I'm not sure how well that's going to play. I mean, obviously, I am. I have the 1977 Parker Brothers tie-in board game. But I think most like normal well-adjusted people aren't like super interoperant surely in the present year. So I like swinging out with like with this like extended TV reference. That's like 45 years old. That's cool.

In terms of aesthetics, another scene that I really dug was Whitney going into Lisa's room to be like, we got to get ready to go out. And she's like surrounded by her makeup and hair artists with the lights in her face. And then just like, like, you know, big mans are and is like, I don't think I'm going to. And I just like that being presented in that way with her like, like, you know, really present. producing this like star moment of being like like you're in my trailer right now and like I'm the queen. I'm the star and I thought the aesthetics of that like played really well. And so that was like. And there was like no music in that scene too. It really. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that was like a really cool scene to have like Lisa getting that moment in and having like the way it all looks like really kind of play into play into her favor. And. and really give us this whole like, I'm, I'm getting ready and this is me presenting myself

and you're walking into my self presentation. Like a PA or something like that. Yeah, way below me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A line producer. Yeah, like either had me my skinny latte or get the fuck out of my trailer.

When she's really just coming into her hotel room to say, like, let's get going on the activity I planned for all of us. Yeah. Sandy, was there anything that's to know to you about how this was presented? There was one scene in the beer caves that

Mary was at the head of the table and I truly thought she had a halo around her head. It ended up being sunglasses but she was at the head of the table with like old ancient brick behind her and she was sort of doling out her weird wisdom that she's been on a roll with this season and I thought that was a very compelling

religious iconography moment for me. yes agreed hardcore the seating for that scene in the cave was phenomenal yeah

Tim how will you what's her name again the first time she tried Mary the first time she tried beer like I really love the employee of Miller being like I understand

there's someone here that champagne. And then cut to this where Mary's like, yeah, there was a major heat rain in

63 or whatever and 53 people died. Best year for champagne. The greats thrived. People died. So great that's apparently

Mary's first tribe drinking beer. Yeah, and he's like, this is the champagne of beers. And it's like her first time hearing that. Yeah, she does not realize he's making a joke about their marketing slogan. She's like, really? This is the best beer in the world? Oh, I can see why. Yeah, it's delicious.

Yeah, she drinks. I didn't know beer could be so. I think she says high end, yeah. High end. I didn't even know there was high end beer. Like, even when they do the, like, the confession, she's still apparently under the impression that she drank, like, expensive, high-end, classy beer. And does not realize that it's just like a grocery store shelf staple that just happens to have that marketing slogan.

I love that. Yeah. Yeah. It's the choice for divorce dads everywhere. I will say, though, Miller High Life is an awesome beer. So as much as I want to make fun of them, like, doing a tasting for, like, an extremely basic American piss lager. Right. That's the best basic American piss logger.

It's the best one. It is a good beer. It's a very good thing. And I can imagine, like, having it there where they make it would taste phenomenal. Like, it probably did taste really, really good. But still beer. Yeah. Miller, Genuine draft, terrible.

But Miller High Life, really good. Great, great, like the ideal American Pilster. So, you know, Mary was right. She loves beer now. And apparently beer loves her, too, because she, She was in unexpectedly good spirits there. She was like, she has one sip of beer and suddenly, like, the woman who never likes anything is like, well, this is fun. This is great.

Yeah. Wow. This is her taste really nice. Like, who is this person? You should drink beer more often. Why are you not complaining about everything and hating everybody? Speaking of unexpectedly good spirits, this is good beer. Yeah.

Yeah, in terms of like the presentation on this episode, the one scene that really stood out to me was the Sprinter van fight that we got. I just love how it was covered in this blue light where everything was, you know, it almost felt like it was just monochromatic except for through the windows where there was all sorts of like the city lights were in bright, vibrant colors. And then there's this deep blue that was cast over the whole van. I just love this feeling of this fight taking over the entire van. And Whitney, like, really exerting her emotions on the rest of the cast here. I just thought that this was a really lovely aesthetic for this to be, like, physically.

happening where she's you know she's actually taking her her anger and her sadness out on on everyone and imposing it on people while everyone is covered in in this blue i really loved it and it looked really interesting like this is is a um an aesthetic that really stands out uh apart from you know what we're used to seeing even in in sprinter vans where they're uh very constrained in terms of how they they shoot these. Hmm. That's true. Let's get a, let's get a quote, Tim. Did you have a quote here that stood up,

stood out to you? No. I thought I wrote down a quote for this episode, but I didn't. My bad. Nothing's coming to mind. You know what, honestly? Like the, the, Maybe it's just a more of a physical thing that really was the quote kind of for me.

And it was Mary, Mary at the end of the table when they're having the fight. And the whole time Mary is just like, you're making a mountain out of nothing. Are you making, you know, and it's just her eyes kind of going side to side. Yeah. And then she tries to cap it off by saying you're both very emotional and you both love each other. And everybody kind of looks at her like, what are you talking about? But that's just, that's just Marianne Beer. Mary on beer is not following the plot, but she's oddly content.

So I love Mary on beer. Mary on that high life. Yeah. I feel like this was an episode that had a lot of quotes that were really good or really stood on. I'm going to let some of you guys take a shot. Was there anything that's a note to you, Sandy, in terms of quotes? I just wrote the last part of it down. It was Mary's second monologue of the season about Jeffrey Dahmer, which ended with, and they were cooked.

Yeah. I also love how she even afterwards ends up saying like, also my dad lied a lot. Okay. Just the second time you've told this story. And I love how they went into that scene. They went into that scene ready for a ghost story. from two very awkward bartenders and we didn't even get that. I don't even know if they ended up even telling it because as the cast said,

Mary really outshone them anything they could ever have said. Yeah, we didn't get the story. Dylan, how about you? I like when Whitney's trying to defend her business decisions and she uses the phrase, that's called commerce. Like, I just thought that was a funny way to defend it. like he's trying to bamboozle us with your high-tech industry terms covers. So I don't know what she meant by that.

And then I like how right after that she's like, yeah, like that's how it works. Do you think Meredith is actually diving for her own caviar? Like, no, I don't think she is because anybody's diving for caviar. I don't think that's how you get caviar. I don't think you dive for it. You'll scrape it off the ocean floor. How do you, where do you think it comes from? Everybody knows.

You take a fish and you go, whack, whack, you're ringing out like a wet towel. I think that's more or less how it works. Honestly, I think that's more or less how it works. I think you,

I was surprised to find out that you don't actually kill the fish. I think you could literally kind of milk it. You squirt it. No, yeah, you milk it. You milk it sturgeon. Yeah. It's just like chickens lay eggs.

Fish lay. Everyone knows that. And we've all done it. X. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Thanksgiving.

Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is coming up. Don't forget to milk your sturt. Who among us has not milk the surgeon? If you live in a house made out of sturgeon milk, you should not. Whatever. Yeah, I really liked a lot of quotes here, like I said. I think the quote that we got from Brittany, where she's talking about what's in its name

Jared did what being treasonous and Lisa being like yeah that's that's the perfect word for it treasonous isn't the favorite word

for it he's committed crimes against the state has he but we did get another example of people using geography as a

class marker in this that I really stood out to me And this time they're talking about Osmond Lane being like, you know, this address that you want to have and you want to live on Osmond Lane because, you know, that's because of what it means in Utah. I thought it was really funny. I love how they talk about the Osmans, like they're the Kennedys in their world. It's so funny. Like they're like Brahmin, like their like most high class highest social capital family is like,

these dorks who had like a variety show on TV in the 70s like the 70s that that's what they aspire to that's that's so great that's such a great little glimpse into salt lake city Mormon life like if Winnipeg was like oh yeah did you grow up on burgen cummings lane oh my gosh yeah the new guy I've been seeing he's a Cummins yeah people they make over a hundred thousand dollars a year Let's talk strategy here because I think this is a rich. Oh, sorry, Tim, did you have another point? Not really. This would be kind of a doubleback thing.

I just kind of want to defend Whitney a little bit in her comment about it being commerce. Because if you're running a jewelry brand, you're not making all the jewelry yourself. You don't have like a factory where you're jewelry making. you're buying from suppliers and artists who make jewelry in bulk. So if she lists that jewelry, she got in bulk from somebody to distribute at a marked-up cost, which is, baby, that's commerce. Yeah. And then somebody else also buys from that supplier and then sells it on Alibaba for less

because they get it more directly from that supplier. That doesn't necessarily mean, you know, Whitney's doing shady business there. Doesn't it? Yeah. When it costs like 10 times as much on her website as it does on fucking Alibaba. doesn't it make his baby shady well you go to a you go to a freaking hockey game

and you get a bottle of the sadi water I pay him ten dollars for that thing I know that doesn't cost ten dollars it's funny because as this was going down I needed to like really reflect on myself because I'm

I'm such a huge Whitney fan because like my immediate my gut reaction was like oh she's such a mastermind she set up this fake business in order to have a scandal that played out i'm just like got the yarn on the board like piecing it together i would not put it past her to set up this fake business in order to give the show what it needs i think she brings so much of the show that's great but yeah no she did kick it off and she was kind of the orchestrator of this whole episode, right?

She planned the events. There was a splinter off from her group, which created nice drama. And then she fired the first shots in confined space. That's nice. Let's talk about strategy, because I think there's a lot to think about in terms of Whitney. Lisa is another person that I think there's a lot of strategy to consider here surrounding her. Dylan, do you want to lead us off with What's It Up to You? Yeah, Lisa's the one whose strategy I like the most in this episode.

It's really entertaining to be after she like summons Whitney into that that seat I just mentioned to say that she's, hey, probably not going to go at her event. And then there's a break off with like the two newbies and then just forces everybody else to talk about why she's doing that, what she's doing, you know, forces, um, forces Whitney and Angie to, to like talk to Meredith and be like, did you talk about like what we're saying about Lisa to Lisa? The fact that Meredith and Lisa have like a secret summit at the start of the episode to discuss this way that like, you know, Angie and Whitney tried to turn Meredith against Lisa. Instead, Meredith just went right or right back around and had.

had like and had a summit with with Lisa instead. And the fact, the way that Lisa makes everybody talk about her by going off on doing a different event with two newbies is like, is, is gold. That I thought that was great. And because everybody's going to be, everybody's going to turn against each other in that van as we see happen. And everybody's going to be speculating about what Lisa is doing. Well, she's not there to have to answer any questions.

I thought that was awesome. And she goes going. That's interesting because that. decision I was a little unsure about when initially she decided she was not going to go and the van you know started rolling and everyone was talking about why she wasn't there I was like this seems like it's a huge strategic misstep like she there's a bunch of people talking about their potential beefs with Lisa and she's not there to like make sure that the cards when they reshuffle, if they reshuffle here, kind of fall in her, her favor. She's, she's gone.

People can, like, can kind of craft new alliances based on their mutual conflicts with Lisa, and she's not there to do anything about it. I thought that it was a strategic misstep, but we didn't really see much of a deck reshuffling here that, that happened. So I think that we did really, I think it did end up benefiting her. I'm not sure whether the, like, intent behind it was, um, like, I don't think it was very well thought out. I, but it ended up being the, the right decision. I think you're right. Yeah, I think by checking in with Meredith earlier, uh, she under, she feels that she's on like, firm enough footing. Like, if she's good with Meredith, then I think she feels like, I don't really have to worry about it, about people forming an alliance.

against me. I think that will just like bicker amongst themselves in my absence. So I'd rather it goes down like that. And it does go down like that. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Sandy, how about you? Anything stand up to you strategy wise? It was really the same point and just building on that. I thought it was incredibly bold and like don't give any shits of her to go off with the two newbies. I thought that was a huge power move because we talk about the alliances and like, you know, setting up who you're going to be in a faction with. And she's like, I don't care. I'm Lisa fucking Barlow. I'm going to take these newbies. And she only wanted one. And then she's like, Anne, you're right here. You want to come to? She doesn't care. She's, she knows she's the shit. And she, anyone, like, she's going to hold the group

together, whatever new group she makes. And I just love that. And then they did something that was like, she clearly didn't really want to do curling at all. But she was like, I just dislike these other women so much. We're doing curling today. I just loved it. It was a great strategic move. Totally. Yeah, I think it was really interesting that, you know, she clearly didn't have a plan for what to do. And curling was like, what, where can we film quickly? Like, what can we lock down filming for quickly? And it's like, okay, I guess we're going to curl.

That's scraping the bottom of the barrel here a little bit, but made me real happy. Craig's like single tier rolling down. Tim, what's it out to you in terms of strategy? Yeah, a lot of interesting play here. Like this Lisa Barlow has to be like a Hall of Fame strategizer, right? It's just like how common is it on these shows? for them to have so many different locations in one episode. Is this a special one because they're in Milwaukee that they're trying to feed?

On a trip, it's not uncommon for them to basically be like, we're going to have two separate groups. We're going to split up into two groups based on some arbitrary line that it's going to be good for like conflict or good for physical comedy or whatever. They'll divide it up and then they'll go off on their own separate activities. It seems clear to me that that was not the. intent here because they obviously had sponsorship ties with the brewery and Harley Davidson, so they needed to make sure that they hit those spots and they were going to do that with the

full cast. Right. But, you know, Lisa calling the audible and going curling is something that they would be, you know, prepared for, but it would not have been within the plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I love it. I mean, I thought the strategy from all the players here, especially the way Lisa, because it's about like screen time, right? Like the dinner fight at the end, the way Lisa was just kind of stoke in the fire, stoke in the fire, stoke in the fire, Stoke in the fire, Whitney. And then boom, it gets a big, gets a big moment on screen, gets full volume, finger pointing.

Well done. Yeah. I think one thing that's interesting to me about strategy is how Angie and Whitney approached Meredith. And, you know, what we got at the beginning where, you know, that secret summit between Meredith and Lisa, where Meredith is filling Lisa in. When she's kind of telling the story, when she's recounting what happened last night with Angie and Whitney's approach, the way that Meredith interprets it. and tells it to Lisa. She clearly thinks that Whitney and Angie are trying to bring Meredith on side, like to bring her onto their team to fight with Lisa.

But then when we get the clip, that was not what I was seeing. I saw them trying to just basically agitate. They were kind of giving, giving Meredith this information to give back to Lisa and cause conflict. It didn't seem like they had any... It didn't seem like they were trying to rope her in, but maybe that's like my interpretation.

They were basically just like talking shit for the sake of, you know, causing conflict with Lisa. I don't know. I'm curious what you guys, how you read that. Yeah, for me it definitely read as, them trying to get Meredith on their side, but that was also the way it was framed. So maybe I just read it that way

because it was presented that way, like framed through the conversation that Meredith and Lisa have about it. Okay, well, let's get into our highlights. Dylan, what are your highlights? I think we've pretty much covered everything I like. The beer cave dinner was great. Really, really lots of fun there.

But, yeah, the fact they go curling is, really funny. At least it gets to make some cracks in about, this is the most sweeping I've ever done. Yeah. The different settings were like the Harley Museum was like maybe not as fun as the Miller caves, but it was like just something different too.

So yeah, I feel like we've kind of got over the strong points. How about you, Tim? so that reminded me of a moment in the curling scene i believe it was angie correct me if i'm wrong who was like i'm very comfortable on ice because i was a figure skater it's like mealy or something yeah yeah oh yeah she's like uh he's like um i i quit just before uh trying out for the junior Olympics. I just love that.

Everybody quit before trying to do junior Olympics. It doesn't mean anything. Exactly. I gave up just shy of the Olympics, basically. Squirts, squirts. Also, like, skating and sliding on ice, like, curling ice is very different. This is just, like, something that stuck out to me. Like, it's, it is not a transferable.

What just happened on your screen, Tim? I don't know. I didn't touch anything, but... I got all these balloons in here now. No, somebody hold them down. Seedy an up to. where I finally kill that old man. Sandy, what were your highlights?

We haven't talked yet about Brittany and Jared, and I'm really enjoying this saga so much. Like, you know, you feel bad for the lady, but it's good TV. I really like it. his text back to her was pretty like brilliant manipulation like it's just sort of really fun to watch her being spun in his web and like keeping pretending that she's getting out but for sure not i love it i don't know if i have much more to say than really enjoying that hope they stay together forever I feel like a lot of us probably yeah I feel like a lot of us probably know somebody who's like constantly breaking up with their partner but never actually breaking up with her partner and that like really feels like what she's doing and I kind of hope that that's her only storyline throughout the whole season is every episode she's breaking up with Jared but not actually breaking up with him and that just goes on yeah and makes an announcement at dinner every time yeah yeah yeah telling everyone about her epipivision about how they're not going to be together.

I haven't told him yet. Also, I still love him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not going to be together. Epiphany, the epiphany. Yeah, the epiphany, yeah. I woke up in the middle last night. I had Epiphany.

Don't worry. I cleaned it up. I do think I... It's such a great... It would be a great, like, just season-long thing. I've just... People constantly be like, no, you got to leave him. He's no good for you.

We're back together. We love each other. That's great. You're, yeah, you two should be together. Yeah. I support my friend. Yeah, I really liked how, you know, she's like, oh, last night, you guys, like, what you said, that really spoke to me. And Mary's just like, I didn't think you were listening at all.

I did not read this as, like, sitting with you. Yeah. Yeah, I think that like Brittany was really interesting here. I think that, you know, once the temperature got turned up on that, that conversation, she did try to like do a redirect and, you know, picking, picking, Bronwyn to try to like start a fight with, I think was, you know, it seemed like a smart idea because Bronwyn is also new to the group. You would think she doesn't have a good footing there.

But Bronwyn is just like so strong. Like she, it seems like it is the wrong choice because, you know, Brittany just get decimated by Bronwyn in my opinion, in that exchange. I thought that Bronwyn handled that so well. And Brittany immediately felt like she was out of her depth in picking that fight. But I guess it did kind of work to redirect the conversation. It felt like the lowest hanging fruit.

to redirect being like, uh, the new person whose husband is 26 years older than her. Like, like, I'll turn it around on you. This will be easy. But you could,

Broadwood's clearly been like prepared for this the whole time. Like, she's just been waiting for somebody to try to attack her over that. Uh, so you're right. Yeah. Like, it,

it wasn't going to really play in Brady's favor. Ha, ha, no. Let's, let's get into our stars. Dylan, who are your stars?

Uh, Lisa Barlow. number one great episode from her doing some really great friendship fucking out there and yeah lots of fun

her like her dissection of Jared's text was actually spot on too like she would like actually gave her a good read and has has really interesting strategies and I just thought it was a great episode for her I will give a second star to

I guess you know what since we've been talking no it's got to be Mary yeah give a second start to Mary Mary was funny as hell keep drinking beer Mary keep drinking the champagne of beer

just living that high life I'll give a third start a Bronwyn if only because she shows up dressed as a literal hot dog and says it's couture that's great I love that for Broadway But I love her wearing the stupidest couture outfits in the world.

And it just like, how could it go further than her dressed up as a literal hot dog? We'll see. Let's see where else she brings her insane wardrobe. How about you, Sandy? Similar, I got to give to Lisa for her hard work, especially the final scene where she was talking about bringing me facts. She said that a few times and I really like it. Powerful. And Mary as well, just always giving gems.

And the third one goes to Brittany for her high effort in being interesting and trying to redirect and all of it. So, yeah. Interesting. Actually, on the topic of Lisa, one thing that we didn't talk about, I do think that she did have a bit of a strategic misstep. And that was when she brought up Elektra when she was talking about Angie and being like, oh, you're, you always use Elektra as an excuse not to talk to me. Like as though, you know, Angie shouldn't be tending to her daughter or whatever. Like, it was just the wrong thing to pick. And it seemed like a mistake.

I think that got misinterpreted, but you're right that it's a misinterpreted, that she should have assumed it got misinterpreted. Because I think so what she was trying to say is you're pretending Electra's there when she's not actually there because you're just using any excuse to end the conversation, right? I don't think she was actually trying to say like, oh, you're always going to talk to Electra. She was saying, no, you're pretending Electra's in the next room because you always. to hang up the phone. But you're right.

It's like using, just mentioning somebody's child. Maybe that was extremist New Jersey, but like just mentioning the existence of somebody else is often going to be turned against you. Tim, who are your stars? Well, I'm going to give the first star to Hot Dog Couture. Did we mention the hot dog? outfit yet. And I love Mary's line. Yeah, Sandy mentioned it.

Oh, sorry, Sandy. Or maybe it was Dylan. I'm pretty sure I did. Yeah. Someone mentioned it. Yeah. It's out there. Yeah.

The hot dog outfit? That's a costume. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I love that. I love, again, kind of going back to the, I found this line from Mary that I loved about.

She goes, ding, ding, ding, ding. I have an announcement to make Jared and I are, was it Jared? Jared and I are getting back together. And Mary's like, yeah, you know what, give it five minutes. They're going to be back in love. I want my five minutes back. Yeah.

I want my five minutes back. I think there's one big omission here from the Stars list. It has to be Whitney. Like she was a pivot point on these, like, conflicts with Lisa. So, yeah, and the fact that we also saw her picking and choosing when to use the information that Heather gave her about the scandal regarding her business. I think that she needed to be on there. She's not my number one. I think number one has to go to Lisa, but Whitney is going to be my number two.

We talked a lot about Lisa, so I won't retress. of that water. And yeah, I think that Brittany does deserve a star. I want to give one to marry, but, you know, Brittany is just a hot mess and it's compelling to watch. So she's getting the star for me. Did any of you guys have any gobacks before we close this out? Oh, it was a 2003-thor-per-old.

Maybe. All right. Well, thank you guys so much for doing this. Let's go around. Tim, do you want to let people know where they can find you? Yes, you can find me online. Find me online, everybody. Find me on the internet.

Tim Gray rules at most places with his head. Sandy, how about you? I am at Corporeal Curios on Instagram or just look up my name. Dylan? For spooky season. recommend everybody listen to my horror movie podcast, Mind Over Splatter. Because it's about horror movies.

All right, I'm Craig Midwinter. Add me on chess.com. You can probably beat me. I am very bad. Craig J. Midwinter, chess.com. You can find our podcast. Bravo Outsider.com. We're on Instagram and TikTok at Bravo Outsider.

Look us up on YouTube, subscribe, do all of that stuff. You can find you on board game geeks as well. I'm, you know, I often write about board games there. This game is actually really bad, by the way. It's a terrible, terrible game. Oh, yeah. We should play it over a live stream or something like that. Okay, bonus episode.

Bonus. Yeah. Until next week, keep on wiping.