Oscars Outsider - RHOBH S14E17 & Summer House S9E08 Finale | Bravo Outsider Podcast

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

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Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter, joined as always by Dylan Fergie Ferg Ferguson. Dylan, let's dive right in. We're going to talk about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And I want you to give us a little bit of a summary what happened in this finale. Yeah, I think I can do that pretty quickly because, spoiler, not much did. But we're still in St. Lucia, we're picking up.

up where we left off last time where Sutton is feeling like everybody's against her. The whole world is against her. They wanted to break me. She says, um, uh, so most of the energy of the episode is just like kind of following sudden around as she has this near breakdown and being like,

what's you going to do? And then, uh, you know, we have a sort of hangout, um, um, birthday party.

We have the birthday party. event where a sudden has to sit down with everybody eventually. And not really anything happens. But then they reconvene, you know, everybody discusses as they do, who said what. And then we get our big finale, which is a carnival scene.

Everybody's dressed as like a bird of paradise in a bikini with flowers. They sit down again for dinner. Time to hash this shit out. Kind of nothing happens again. They dance a bit and it ends. I was so disappointed. tell already, I thought this was a dud. Do you agree?

You know, I don't completely disagree, but I, there were elements of it that I like. It was definitely a dud in terms of a finale goes. Like, it just ended with a bit of a thud. But I did like, one of the things that I really appreciated about this episode was the building of tension throughout, like the, the kettle that his sudden was like boiling. You could feel it like the temperature rising there. And I just thought that that was handled really well,

how like the frustration and everything was, uh, was building. You could really feel it. Um, and it kind of popped off at the end a little bit, but not, not in a way that felt very satisfying.

I absolutely agree. They did a great job, uh, building up Sutton as a kettle boiling over. Like you said, there's great. montages that show

they give us backstory of like both every time somebody was mean to Sutton and and then follow that up with every time

she was mean to somebody else they really play it off as like we're getting like you know Sutton's jokerified she is going to she's gone to a dark place

nobody said that in three years but I'm bringing it back she's got to a dark place and she's going to she's going to blow up and we're going to see a whole new Sutton and the fact they did such a good job. I thought

building that up in the edit was part of the reason why I felt disappointed that there wasn't much payoff really. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I did love how like the last episode ended with an explosion from sudden and she steps away and this one opens with her

like cross-legged on the boat. It almost has like this Zen feeling like it just perfectly set the baseline for like the temperature and just escalated from there. But I definitely agree that it was not exactly a satisfactory finale in terms of the climax. Is there anything that you're hoping to see in the reunion here?

Do you have any questions that you're hoping get answered? I just don't think we're going to get much answers about anything. I'm getting a little frustrated with this cast. I think that they play it too close to the table. the chest. And I've said that about this show before where the cast is at right now, specifically in regards to Kyle. I think she's the worst offender in terms of that, uh, in terms of just kind of, I feel like clocking in, clocking out for these recordings, but knowing not to say anything that they don't want to

have out there and just being too cagey with their information and protecting their lives too much. So I don't really expect too much from the reunion. I will speak of Kyle. Yes, I would like to know what's going on with her relationships right now. I think we've been deprived of that all season long, but at this point, I don't expect that. I would like to see more of a rant

or an explosion or an attack from Sutton. I think maybe Garsell is due for some sort of reckoning with the way that she's been treated by Sutton maybe and maybe by Kyle and other

people. That's been a sort of subplot of the past couple episodes that I feel hasn't been fully resolved. So I think there's still stuff that could be wrapped up. I don't expect it to happen though. Yeah. So it's interesting that you bring up Garcel because little spoiler alert here, ring the spoiler alarm. But she apparently stormed out of the reunion and she's not in any of the final like cast photos and then she she quit the show so i don't know what it's about i haven't read too much into the speculation that'll give us something that'll give us something yeah we we need something i i feel like beverly hills always like comes in and you're expecting like there's all this lead up and build up towards beverly hills and yeah it is a little bit of a letdown because

all of these women are so good at self-producing. They're like very aware. And we don't really get a lot as a result. I'm curious in terms of the performance of the cast overall, you said you were kind of frustrated with this cast. Do you have anyone that kind of stands out that you think, you know, should be asked back or should not be asked back? You've already mentioned, mentioned Kyle,

but anyone else kind of stand out for you? At this point, I've gotten like, my frustration is high enough at this point that if they wanted to do like New York and just blow up the cast and start fresh, I would be down with it. Whoa. But having said that, I don't like dislike everybody's performances this year. I did think that Bose was a good addition. And I thought that she brought a lot of energy, a lot of kind of awareness about different. dynamics. She was, she was pretty implicated and had her eyes open and, uh, uh, I was very involved. And I thought, um, she was good and I'd be happy to have her back. Like that, that's a good

addition. Like she fit right in, uh, did a good job. So I'd be happy to have her back for sure. Um, I, Erica is somebody who I thought was kind of on an island wasn't getting too implicated. But I still just like, still love Erica so much that I would like be very sad if she didn't come. back. Like I, uh, I, I just want to be able to quote her and, and, and see her being, being, uh, absurd and robotic and weird. Uh, I think Erica is one of the saving graces of this season. Actually, and her dynamic with, with Sutton in particular, I feel like is, uh, one of the saving graces here. I know that there is kind of this building frustration with Sutton or at least just that's kind of my, my read in terms of the, the fan base is that,

it's maybe starting to turn a little bit on Sutton, but I really think that Sutton is a standout for me this season because if we didn't have her here this season, like what would we have had? We would have had Dorit's marriage story that we got like nothing about. Same with Kyle. I just like, I don't see what this season would have been if we didn't have Sutton on it.

Yeah. And you're right about it. about Erica being a bit of a saving grace, and she wasn't this episode, too. For sure. Yeah, when we have, like, the final dinner where they're all dressed as, as Peacocks, you know, she tries to make a dramatic moment happen. She's been cluded to the fact that, you know, Jennifer might have misrepresented what Sutton said in terms of being like, oh, Sutton thinks that you guys have, are forming a

a coordination coalition against her when really that's something that Jennifer said and not actually Suttons words. Erica's been included to this and she has the good sense to try to make it a moment. She, and she's feeling her oats too, right? As soon as she gets that outfit in there, you can see why she does Vegas stuff because she loves that. As soon as she's in it, you can just tell by the way she's walking, the way she's talking, she's like, I'm here to perform.

She lights up, yeah. She lights up. Yeah. And so she sits down and saying every sentence like it's a world historical pronouncement, you know, immediately is like, I just want to know, is this coming from her dramatic gesture or is it coming from her another dramatic gesture just waiting to be filled in by the editing room? You know, she has the good sense to be like, I'm going to build a dramatic moment. But it doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't go to where.

But she tried. Like she's trying there. And that's, to her credit, like, good on her. She's trying really hard, but she can't conjure a dramatic dinner seat all in her own. Okay. I want to know what your opinion, your year-end scorecard, report card for Jennifer Tilly is. Great. Grading out of 10, I'll give her, like, a 9.

I'm not even sure what she'd get her 10. Like, well, you know what? She's not like that into it, but she's a friend. of, and this is a perfect friend of performance for me. Yeah, totally. She's there to listen when somebody needs to rant. She's there to occasionally back somebody up, but she's kind of fluid enough that she can be friends with anybody.

She can kind of move through different groups. And she's always ready with a little snide remark. She's always ready with a little bit of witty commentary that isn't necessarily directed at anybody that's just kind of playing for the cameras. She knows how to play for the camera was making a little, little cobbocker marks. She knows how to occasionally bust out a little bit of biographical information about her very colorful life that she's lived because she has done a lot of stuff in her life. A very interesting woman. She knows what to just occasionally just dole out a little biographical snippet just to spice up a scene a little bit.

Make people go, wait, you did what? So just for me, that is like a textbook friend of performance. It's amazing work. Yeah, I think similar to how Erica has. just a really great awareness in terms of the camera and the narrative. Like you said, injecting those moments for dramatic pauses, like, leaving space for the editors to tell stories while she's building moments. I think Jennifer Tilly brings a similar awareness of the camera.

And there's this just understanding of how to play to the camera. Like you said, she's always got some little quip that she's able to just toss in there that really, I don't know, she just seems very camera aware. And the fact that this is a show, this is a housewife city that is full of people that are so camera aware, a lot of them are either giving us nothing. They're self-producing to a point of like censorship. We need people that are going the opposite direction. We need people that are like Erica, that are like.

Jennifer. So I was really happy to see here here. And she did finally like kind of feel her way into some of the drama or she was pulled into it via the, you know, the sudden Erica conflict and bringing up the fact that she thought that it seemed like an orchestrated attack. That was, that was a good way to get your, you know, dip your feet into the into the conflict. Yeah, totally. Hi, Marks. Do you have anything that we haven't talked about in terms of the presentation of this episode that stood out to you? Not a lot, really. I do think that the visuals of the final minutes are like a really nice way to wrap it up just to have everybody wearing their ridiculous, like, candy colored feather outfits and they're all dance.

And then it starts raining, like having them all like dancing and peacocking while it's raining on a beach. that feels like a kind of classic like housewives moment like this celebration and silliness and like they're both like extremely on display like in the sense in the dual sense of like having

a lot of shit on them and like really being decorated like really being phony for the camera but also you're seeing tons of their bodies too so they're also very exposed and very phony at the same time and they're doing this this silly celebration even though it's raining and they're all going to get soggy. And that's just like a classic image to kind of wrap up the show with.

So as hard as I am on this particular finale for having like not much happening, they at least kind of stick the ending visually. Yeah, totally. How about how about in terms of quotes? Was there anything that's set out to you? Pretty much every time Kathy Hilton is. like saying something because she just steams. I think she just stoned out of her mind.

Like, or do you think, uh, we see her spray something in a drink at one point. I don't know if that was. Yeah. I was wondering what I was. I was kind of assuming that was maybe like a CBD spray or something. And I kind of thought like, is she just maybe kind of cooked all the time? That might, that might make sense. She definitely seems affected.

Yeah. Yeah. So she's, she was definitely provided some good humor. in terms of being just apparently clueless and out of place and everybody's dressed up and she's just wearing a t-shirt for some reason you know sits down asks the waiter for bags of ice to put under her armpits what she's ordering bahi bahi she says uh i'm used to the one that's not fishy tasting yeah don't know what the hell she's talking about i'm sure the waiter did it either

uh and then of course sneaks off and comes back and says i tinkle in my shorts. And then further deepening the mystery appears to say later, they're soaking in the sand. I assume she went to her room, but did she just actually go to another part of the beach, take her shirts off and just like put them on the sand? So that was a little baffling.

So that's kind of a highlight. So we do have questions we want sort of out in the reunion. We do, yeah. Yeah, I. A great performance from from Kathy. She's always great. Another, you know, excellent friend of. Yeah.

When Mark Ward, I'll point out to is one of Jennifer Tilly's lines. Of course, the one where she's saying, like, you know, I have diamonds for my Simpsons money. And she's like, oh, no, I don't have diamonds for my Chucky buddy. I get snacks with my Chucky buddy. Yeah. That was pretty good. any highlights that we haven't talked about yet um yeah yeah i don't really think so um in case um it isn't clear it's pretty let down and i i think the things that i did like we've pretty

much gone over them one more quote in it's uh it's it's clearly a prepared line but uh but i do I do like when Erica in their little epilogue gets the news about her husband and she says, 80 years, that dude ain't got 80 days in him. That was a little funny. But that was also, even the epilogue was kind of, for me, was a bit like, like, didn't we, I thought we knew he was going to prison for like years now. I didn't realize that that was like a reveal. I guess he just got a sentencing.

I don't know. Yeah. This Cota did have like a little one of my, one of my favorite moments. Just today is going to be so peaceful. And then cutting to like Sutton and Avi or Ari Sutton's assistant freaking out about the dogs like eating a dead rat going no, no, no, no, no. Just. Yeah, that was really great. And yeah, Shadow.

is it Avi or is it Ari? I think it's Avi. I think it's Avi. I think you're right about that. Okay. Yeah. Just a really great side character. Anytime he shows up, it's fantastic. I love him. Like, just his exasperated looks after sudden, anytime Sutton leaves, like he's been looking after a toddler all day. He just looks like a tired parent. I love it. I identify with that a lot. Yeah. How about your, your stars? are your stars here?

I'll get first start, Erica, because, like I said, she was trying hardest to have dramatic moments, and I do like seeing her really feeling herself in her outfit. And she did her best. She did her rest to kick some life into this dead horse. I would, let's give a second start of Jennifer Tilly. No, I'll give my third start of Jennifer Tilly. Second start, we've got to go with Kathy.

we got to go with Kathy because yeah those those absurd chuckle moments were some bright spots as well okay I like your stars but again once again there's a an omission for Sutton so yeah I just have to attack her on there because I really think even though she is even though she is maybe not the most likable she's ever been this season we would have not nothing. if it weren't for her creating conflict. And I do think that she really, she's had a few seasons under her belt where she has kind of rode this, um,

this personality of being like a little awkward and but relatable. Um, just kind of like, uh, not very calculated, uh, kind of Shannon Bador type. type persona

and it's really worked for her really well but this season she is getting the villain edit she's doing a little bit of a heel turn here and I think that she has

done a good job with it she is now pivoted into more of a Meredith Mark's style very reactive personality that I think is really working in terms of driving the conflict of this series. Someone needed to carry the ball here.

She did it. And I, you know, high marks for her here. So, yeah, I'd say your stars, but I want to put Sutton at the top. Yeah. I mean, let's not forget. She does have an IQ of 140. We're supposed to pretend that she doesn't for the night. Right, because she's just being a Barbie for tonight.

So we're just going to ignore the fact that she, according to her, has an IQ that would put her in the 99th percentile of of smartest humans on the planet, which I believe women, so I will absolutely believe her on that. Okay, well, before we move on to Summerhost, if you are watching us on YouTube, hit the subscribe button and give the video a like,

comment whatever you want. It helps us with engagement. Okay, we're going to dive into Summer House right now. Dylan, want to give us a summary of what happened here? Sure, yeah. It's basically an uninterrupted party, almost uninterrupted. The only like little break that we have is like a brief clip of Lindsay in her in her apartment like FaceTiming or their mom. But otherwise,

Saging it? Yeah. Saging it, purifying the bad vibes. But yeah, otherwise, basically a good old-fashioned uninterrupted party.

The focus at the start is largely on like Craig and Kyle trying to reconcile their differences well dressed as pirates. Jesse starts, pretty aggressively hitting on Sierra

well telling Wes that he's he's like feeling out how their friendship is which is we'll get into that but hilarious to me and yeah it just ends up with everybody back home drunk and Jesse just inviting himself into a threesome with Emeril

a foursome well it was a three-sum before he invited himself. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Three plus a toe. Yeah.

I'm excited to get into this because I, I, I've just been getting caught up on summer house and it's great. This is, this is, this season's cooking. I'm having a lot of fun. Yeah. So you haven't watched a ton of Southern, uh, or summer house before this. What's your impression so far of the season? Um, yeah.

Um, like I said, I'm, I'm, enjoying it. The cast of characters is super fun. It's very freewheeling. The dudes in particular are pretty hysterical to me. Yeah. I'm having a great time with this. Do you have any questions that you want to see answered in the next episode? Yeah. And this will kind of shade into strategy talk, but my question is basically, do you think that Jesse is acting with any kind of strategy at all? Or is he just a total like dopey fuck boy, like just like chasing the next squirrel in front of him? Or do you think that he's like a man with a plan? That's what I'm curious about. I'm not sure. I think he's a man with two rocks rolling around in his head. I don't

think that there's any strategy going on here, but I'm curious to know what your theory is. I don't. I'm generally trying to feel it out. Like, I feel like there might be, there might be a bit of strategy like in the back of his head in terms of like, I think he might be like just trying to get Lexi jealous because that's that that can be a way to like, to even tighten your bonds with somebody if you want to be a little bit manipulative about it. And he might be seeing an opportunity to both do that and, um, um, and like reinforce the importance that he has for West, which, not that that needs to be in reinforce, because West is like completely following

at his heels, like a baby duckling and, uh, which is also why it's, it's so funny that he's like, he's clearly hitting a on his ex and he's just apparently, completely oblivious to it despite it. They're being so many hits in front of his face. But I feel like he could be, he could be aware of the strengths he's pulling and how they might, the relationships he's building with different people might affect one another. And it, there could be a bit more intentional manipulation than meets the eye. I'm not sure.

But that's one thing I'm excited to watch for moving forward. I mean, everything about him just screams super horny and that's it. The fact that he just invites himself into a threesome in progress is, you know, a pretty big indicator of that. Yeah. One of the first things we see of him this episode is he's just like talking with the rando girls that are there. And he's like, oh, so who here's got a husband gets them to like raise their hand if they're seeing anyone? I don't know. He just does not seem particularly calculating,

but I like what you're saying about him potentially trying to get Lexi jealous, because that is a story that we have been seeing building throughout this season, this idea that he is maybe on a bit of a self-destructive, like, road there, like trying to self-sabotage this relationship, because he sees himself getting too attached to her or her getting to attach to him, just looking for something that he can leverage to make a break when things are getting too serious. I think that that could be the strategy there. I don't think that there's, yeah, I think that that's definitely a possibility.

I would be interested to see that sort of thing play out, especially if it was, you know, Sierra who he was engaging with because I could see a situation where, you know, if the relationship between Jesse and Sierra progresses and that Sierra perceives Jesse as having used her, you know, as a way to break up with Lexi or, you know, as a means to an end's to, like, destroy this relationship that that he's building. And I wonder if she would, like, perceive that as being used in the same way that, you know, West had used her last season, even though, you know, it's a bit different because this, the way that she perceives West to have used her.

And I would agree that West did use her was to try to elevate him, his own. image within the eyes of the the audience. This is just more of a direct relationship as opposed to, you know, a, a relationship with, with an audience. So yeah, I'd be interested to see how that plays out. Yeah.

Also about Jesse, like inviting himself into a three. It's funny to be how Amanda questioning him says, like, how did you have the confidence to just walk in? Like, have you not met this guy? Like,

he has like confidence levels measured in megatons. Like this is this is a guy who we just saw like FaceTime the chick he's seeing smash drunk while he's taking a piss. Like he he has insane confidence. Like it's I do really think that's like even for like somebody predisposed to being confident for a man like for every inch over six feet. that that gets doubled. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, that's part of the fun of watching it, for me, honestly. Like, it is, like, try to figure out, like, how much thinking is actually going out of

that head. Um, just like watching this, this tall, very good looking, very charming man, because he is, uh, just like, Like running off of like superhuman confidence levels and being like, what is he going to steer himself into? Like, like, where is this all going to end up? It's fascinating. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. In terms of the presentation of Summer House, I think there's a lot that we can talk about overall in terms of how different Summer House is compared to a lot of other Bravo shows.

the fact that we have these permanent setups within the house that we as an audience function as more, it makes us feel a bit more like voyeurs. It's more like watching Big Brother. But in terms of like the themes here, one of the things that really stood out to me was how we are getting these parallel or contrasting storylines between. Jesse and Lexi and Paige and Craig and this idea of like jealousy as this this issue within the relationship between Jesse and Lexi and then Paige and Craig where Craig is like being seen as too clingy yeah um for me it's it's interesting to just like watch this play out and how we're seeing this kind of play out in parallel but I'm wondering is there

anything that's set out to you in terms of how this show is presented? Yeah, I think you hit it a good one there. The fact that there are a lot of like installed cameras in the rooms like Big Brother style is something that that gives us some moments that feel like they stand out from the rest like as having extra intimacy. And when Bage is talking about her relationship, kind of like you said, there's a really good moment where she's whispering

and saying how like, Craig doesn't want to say on camera that Paige is like, I guess, being more successful than he is at this point and that that's an issue. And you get the sense that page also wants that to be said on camera. You know, she wants it to be part of the disclosed public life

that she's being more successful. And Craig clearly wants that to be something that is not said or the fact that that is like part of their problems. They want that not to be part of the disclosed public life. So having that conversation in whispers with like the fixed installed camera gives it that extra degree of it coming off to the audience as like hidden knowledge, which which sells it that much more. So that's great. In terms of like the moving cameras more like well lit stage stuff, it is a blast for me to have everybody wearing goofy ass costumes. I'm a sucker for that stuff.

It is so much fun. I love it. And just with these people, too, like, we have a lot of, like, pretty dopey people who really seem to be just, like, trying to figure out, like, what it means to, like, be an adult and to have them all acting like kids playing dress up is just, like, it just sells it so much for me. And just the fact that, like, I loved the stuff between, between Craig and Kyle. I love their like a little pouty confrontation. The fact they're both dressed as pirates

is so good. Like just these like classic like little kid pirate costumes. And that and and Craig makes Kyle Wade in a little little blow up dingy fake pirate boat. And he's just sitting there. Classic Craig stuff just being like, yep, I'm dressed as a pirate sitting in a boat. Just got to keep sitting there and that's like Craig's way. Somebody actually points that out quite correctly, I think. Maybe it was West that like that's his way of big man in him is to like make you wait and sit there in the boat. And then he finally comes back and they're a little awkward discussion where they like

they try to access their emotions and aren't very good at it. Well, they're in this stupid boat dressed as pirates. It's beautiful stuff for me. and Kyle kind of was like do you lean a certain way in terms of who you are more sympathetic

to Kyle or Craig I like Kyle a lot he's he's dumb as shit and I think he's a great great character he is he is super likable to me and I just I just find him really funny

and I think he kind of wins in that engagement because he's the first one who manages to like break through and make like these a big emotional statement uh which is bro i don't think your level of sadness could even come close to how sad i was which is which is great i just love how how awkwardly he he summons that uh so so i like the way that that he comes off uh and he's like the one that i like more okay yeah i i also am more sympathetic to Kyle in this situation. I, well, for one, I am on the record as being a Craig hater.

I'm a Craig hating Craig. But I also just think that, you know, Kyle is a fantastic reality star. And you're right, he is, he is so funny to me. Anytime I'm watching him, it's just like, I think he's hilarious. Just watching him in this, like, classic 2010, shark outfit DJing is just like I don't know

He loves those So funny Also shout out to what he's wearing the shark outfit and he says I think referring to Sierra and Jesse Oh they're chummy Go to make shark references all night I don't think anybody he was talking to

Like got that but that was like a surprisingly clever line for him Oh also I felt the costumes. Another one that I really liked is Sierra's amazing Seagull costume. But then when she starts taking it off and she's got like the white makeup on it, it's a very like bare insamity. It's like a very like, and with like the green contact lenses. The eyes. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. So,

so many great costumes. Too much fun. Like just just it. It's just a carnival. I love it. Yeah. What what highlights that we have in cupboard do you have here? what haven't we covered i mean yeah it's still my favorite part that that jesse is is hitting on sierra like i find it hilarious and i love that they they give us some like they give us some good like cross cutting too like when when west is like cleaning up after the party which is like classic West like like me stuff. And and and pick me boy. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And and he's being asked about it and he's just like talking about like their relationship and like, oh, it just, you know, hurts me that she would say those things about me and stuff. And they cross cut between that and her and Jesse just hitting on each other. It's just really funny that, uh, that he still sees everything that Sierra is doing through that lens and therefore sees that everything that Jesse is doing when he talks to Sierra through the lens of his relationship with her. But it's all, he's the only one who cares about that at this point. It's just, it's just, it's just in him.

And, uh, and it's also related to that really funny to be when Jesse is like kind of feeling it out, like try to figure out what West's reaction would be if he hooked up with Sierra. but with that it doesn't want to like let west know that he's trying to hook up with sierra and he's just like hmm you know like yeah if she like hooked up with somebody else like how would you feel about that and west is like just like really just starts digging into his emotions where how he wants to express his relationship with sierra and he's just so focused on that that he's cannot see that that jesse is clearly fucking you know playing him and clearly has an alternative artillery or motive.

And that's just, it's just really, really funny to me. Yeah. I think in terms of my highlights that we haven't really touched on, I guess you mentioned Jesse's FaceTime with Lexi, but the drunk face time with Lexi was such a standout moment for me. The like the whole, I jerked it off before the party, so I wouldn't miss you too bad. That was so good.

And what's funny about that? Yeah, after he says that, and then she replies with something like, like, oh, so you wouldn't miss me. And he's like, yeah, you know, so I wouldn't. And then you have him over, he stalls and he's kind of drunkenly is like assesses the conversation. And it's like, I miss you. And yet still, even though that he manages to say once. thing that isn't like the first thing that comes to his mind, which is how he usually speaks. He still manages to follow that up with being like, oh, I had such a fun time hanging out with

Sierra. Like we talked to all night long. Just get help it. Can help it. Or maybe he's doing it intentionally. Again, I'm not sure. Yeah. Lexi follows that up with something like, oh, I'm sure by the end of summer, they'll be friends

again. And he just like burps and says probably not and like pieces out. That's how he ends the phone call. So good. I do want to circle back to the conversation between Page and Sierra that we get over the fixed cameras. The fact that Page is kind of accusing Craig of self-producing, which is like really a mortal sin in terms of Bravo. I think it's really, it's really fascinating. Like this feels like a really big accusation to levy against your,

your boyfriend who you both have built your entire careers around, you know, trying to present yourselves as authentic. And, you know, Craig's whole personality is like almost Westlike in terms of trying to be a likable guy. it's clearly catered but he's trying to come off as natural and so to get this uttered out of Page's mouth in a setting that she knows is being recorded and feels like a pretty big deal. I'm interested to know what your read is on that. Yeah, it does feel like a big deal and it does feel helpful for the audience to to understand what. what the sticking point is. So, um, it's, yeah, I mean, it just, it feels like page has been done with the relationship

maybe for a while and has this kind of been figuring out her moment to, to, uh, follow through on breaking it up. I think it just, it just comes off as like, um, something that she's already decided. I think like with like a long term relationship, there's like deciding you want to break up. And then there's the much later process of like deciding you're going to break up, which is much harder to do. And I think it feels like page has definitely crossed the first threshold, maybe a while ago, just based on that conversation. So yeah, I do agree that there was like very important information given there. Uh, whose side, who side are you on page or Craig? I don't know. Honestly, I don't really like either of them that much. And I haven't like,

I haven't been following the show long enough to have like a deep invested knowledge. I, yeah, I do, I do kind of think that Craig can be a little, a little annoying with the way he presents himself. I do also find that that page can be a little annoying in the way that she like plays up a kind of childish silliness that's, that can feel like very evasive. been like a way of just like not ever interacting genuinely. So I don't know,

I don't know whose side I'm on. What about you? Are you team page? Because you're an anti- Craig, Craig. Yeah, I am. I mean,

I think that page, I have had a while where I have like not liked Paige when I'm coming around on her. I think she's had a really good season on Summerhouse. I think that she, she thrives on, Summer House and I think she's like core to that show. So I'm definitely coming around on her and yeah, I definitely just, I like her a lot,

a lot more than Craig because I just really don't like Craig. So I would be team page here. All right. One thing that is interesting about Summer House is that it, I think it's the only real show that I can think of where they have kind of. embrace the idea that these people are reality show stars. Like we hear lots of like talk about the, the shows and what it is or isn't on camera.

Um, you know, it's a big contrast to something like Vanderpump rules where they were keeping up this idea that everyone was still a server working for Lisa for the longest time. We'd never really, fully embracing the idea that this is a show about reality TV personalities. And I find that pretty interesting. Yeah, yeah, I like that too.

I mean, they do still, when they first introduce or reintroduce the characters every episode and they show their names on the screen, they do give their job underneath it. It is always like entrepreneur, podcaster. Page is a podcaster. So they are still like sort of framing them in terms of having nebulous jobs that are not just reality TV star, but I agree that narratively, like, they do, like, allow them to, uh, have discussions about the fact that, uh, that this is their job and that this is, uh, and some of the conflicts and their relationships are based on job stuff. And, uh, and that is someone going on watch what

happens live. Like, that's a plot point. So I, yeah, yeah, I really like that. Yeah, me too. I enjoy that a lot. So one person that we haven't talked about yet is, is Carl and we got introduced to his his new girl. What's your first read on her? Okay, I love Lil. Fucking hysterical. Lil, right. Lil, yeah.

I think, yeah, I can't believe I almost skipped over mentioning Lil. She would have come up in the stars anyways. I think the first line we hear her say is, anyway, magicians are dope. Which just sets the stage for what a dork this person is. she's great and she just if if somebody right away

is just like going on about magic like that is and magicians and how much that they might as well be showing you to a magic school yeah yeah she's just showing you an empty head closing a fist and then pulling

a red flag out of it that's what she's doing right though I think like for Carl that like that might be his speed. Like he is an awkward dork too.

Like he, he has a like a lot of awkwardness and his like the way he presents and stuff. There's a lot of like stiffness and oddness about him. So I can see how they vibe on that. But man, she was really, really funny to be when on the dance floor, like of course she does the worm.

Like yeah, you knew Lil was going to have to do the worm. This is like, this is a girl who only reads web comics and fan fiction. Yeah. And when she's leaving, she's like, yeah, I think my parents are coming to pick me up soon. She's great.

I love Lil. Yeah. There's one amazing shot of like Kyle is wandering around on the, that blue tarp that they've got that is representing the ocean that the dingy was sitting on. And in the background, you can see Lil teaching Carl how to do. breakdancing moves. It is so fucking funny. Oh my God. I don't think I even notice that. It's so good. She's the best. Yeah, she's great. So speaking of stars, who are your stars here? Let's punch in Lil at number three. Please, more of her. I'm doing the reverse order this time,

shaking it up. I'll give Kyle number two for everything I mentioned about, his costumes and how funny he is. But I think number one's got to be Jesse. This was a big Jesse episode for me. It was all about his brazenness, his charisma. His, just his huge presence is, was just like a fascinating thing in the show. Yeah, I, that's going to also be my number one star. this was this was a jesse episode he was he was like our unreliable narrator that was guiding us through this chaotic party i just

really i really loved him taking us through from his perspective this this party he felt like the host and i i loved it um i think number two is going to be kyle i just think that he was on fire this episode in terms of just he was really funny i love the djing in the shark suit it really brought me back you know 10 years in the past and um i just love love the vibe he's really funny and i think my third star is going to go to page i think that she's helping you know uh carry the narrative a little bit here um and i really i really appreciate someone that is going to do some heavy lifting here because, you know, she is functioning as this conduit for the conflict between Kyle and Craig. She's got her own conflict with, with Craig. And she's still like not so focused on it that it's detracting from her giving us some more like fun dynamic interactions with the rest of the cast. So I, I'm not always going to sing pages praises, but, uh, I, want to sing them here.

Cool. Well, I think that about covers everything for today. Dylan, do you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, you can find my ratings about movies on Substack. It's just my name that you can look for. That's Dylan, D-Y-L-L-A-N-Ferguson. And I'm Craig Midwinter. You can just find me on Instagram at Bravo Outsider, on TikTok at Bravo Outsider. on TikTok at Bravo Outsider.

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