Oscars Outsider - RHOSLC S04E12, RHOBH S13E06 & RHOM S06E05 Recapped w/ Ryan Ash

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast! Join hosts Craig Midwinter and Sandy Klowak along with special guest Ryan Ash for an episode packed with insights and analysis on the latest episodes of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City S04E12, the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills S13E06, and the Real Housewives of Miami S06E05. 📺 Chapters 00:00 - Intro 3:44 - Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Highlights 38:00 - Real Housewives of Miami Highlights 1:11:21 - Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Highlights 01:36:48 - Outro 🍸Featured Housewives: RHOSLC: Lisa Barlow, Heather Gay, Meredith Marks, Whitney Rose, Monica Garcia, Angie Katsanevas, with Mary Cosby RHOBH: Kyle Richards, Erika Girardi, Dorit Kemsley, Garcelle Beauvais, Crystal Kung Minkoff, Sutton Stracke, Annemarie Wiley RHOM: Guerdy Abraira, Lisa Hochstein, Julia Lemigova, Nicole Martin, Alexia Nepola and Larsa Pippen, Kiki Barth, Adriana de Moura, Marysol Patton 📣 Stay Connected: Find Sandy Klowak on Instagram at ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/corporealcurios⁠⁠ Find Bravo Outsider on Instagram at ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/bravooutsider 📖 Credits Music by FASSounds from Pixabay

Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter, joined once again by Sandy Cloak, and we're very excited to be joined by returning guests from our third episode, I think. He actually coined our sign-off, Keep on Wifing. So super excited to have Ryan Ash returning. I ain't an entire car piece by piece right in front of God. Wow, that gets a 10. That has to be, yeah, that has to be the most unique tagline that we've had someone give.

Oh my gosh. I came in hot because I was so stoked to hear I had something to do with the sign off. Oh my gosh. What was your inspiration for that? It was, I believe his name was like Tony Loll Tito or something. Yeah. The guy who ate a plane piece by piece, he ate like shopping carts and stuff. I was like, for some reason, I was like, say something about eating a car.

And then right during the intro, I was looking at him. And I'm like, you know, I'm not going to shout out Tony Latito, but then I did because you asked. Yeah. So I have read that guy's Wikipedia article as well. And it's like something that has definitely resonated with me. And I don't know what the context was, but for whatever reason, I brought it up in front of my like four year old. I think it was like three at the time when I mentioned that there was a guy that ate a plane. And he was just like the gears turning in his head.

And he was like obsessed over the fact that someone ate a plane for weeks. And my wife, Jessica, was like, look at what you've done. Look at what you've. Wasn't me. It was Tony. No. As soon as he said that, I'm like, as a kid, that would have set me off to. I would be like, we need to safeguard ourselves to make sure when this man comes around that he doesn't eat us.

Like someone this unpredictable, like I don't understand. what he's up to, but I don't think anyone else does either. He's a wildcard dad. Yeah, he ate like a Cessna plane like over the course of, I don't know, it was like 15 years or something like that, a little bit each day. And it didn't kill him. Something, well, I guess it was kind of unclear what killed him, but it's not directly attributed to the plane at least. Yeah. Amazing. Really glad to have you back. And actually, you're the first guest that we've, had back to talk about a second season of the same show.

Like when you were first on, I think we covered, it was maybe even the finale of the last episode of Miami. Yeah. And so you watched two episodes this week. One was Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. The other was Real Housewives of Miami. What was it like revisiting Miami? Miami, you know what?

And because I did watch them in that order, I did Salt Lake City and Miami. And I would say like, you know, without completely bearing the lead for, you know, what I would say is like Salt Lake City kind of like was a bit, it was a bit more conversational. Whereas like you go back to Miami and things are happening in Miami. Miami's fun. Yeah. So it was good to revisit and definitely, you know, because there's so many real housewives

and I'm not a fluent watcher or whatever. Like, when I jump back into Miami, I'm like, I think I've seen my. And then as soon as they saw Marisol, I'm like, yeah, I've seen Miami before. This is, okay, I got it. I got it. Yeah. We're going to try something a little bit different structurally today. We're going to start with a segment called Housewives in a hurry.

And I'm going to put 20 seconds on the clock. And I want you to explain to us as though we know nothing about Housewives what happened in this episode. Like, tell us as much as you can. about who the players are, what the story is, and your time starts now. Okay, so first of all, we're doing Salt Lake City. Okay, so, yeah, so Salt Lake City starts. They're talking about a fight.

They're talking about talking. They're mad about the fight. Lisa has to make up with somebody. And then, because the fight was about, they were dressed as pioneers, and they're yelling at each other as pioneers. You got it. Brutal.

Okay. Yeah. that yeah that's roughly what happened in salt lake city okay so yeah we will we will start with salt lake city first um what what were your impressions of these housewives because they were brand brand new to you um i guess uh hmm i wasn't as clear immediately like i was like um when i when i was looking like at the housewives or whatever i was kind of like i wasn't exactly clear on like who did what i guess it was just the the the family in the episode it wasn't really clear i didn't meet many people's families in those episodes compared to previous real housewives i

watched so i guess that was one thing was they kind of remained ambiguous to me throughout the course of the episode whereas i thought the other shows that i had seen it did a pretty good job on catching me up or like i got people's essence i didn't really get as much of an essence from like the salt Lake City people. You know what I mean? Like there wasn't a total vibe that I could follow with any of them in that particular episode to like pin down who they were or, you know, who they want to, you know, right, you know what I mean. Yeah, I definitely get where you're coming from. I think like you had a tough assignment with this episode of Salt Lake City because you're really dropped right into the middle of things. but at the same time, we're in between some major happening. So this is like a little bit of a peacetime episode.

Let's talk about your highlights. So I asked you to select one or two highlights from this episode. What stood out to you? What were your highlights? Well, first of all, I really liked the two things. Yeah, I guess I'll say that it was interesting to see a Mormon. missionary store. Yeah.

You know, like that they have a full, because I didn't quite catch it in, as they were coming into the store, you know, you see the suits on display and whatnot. And then, but I forget the exact word. It was a very official religious word, like kind of denoting like a movement or something, like prostrate or something, I believe.

Or so the sales attendant said, you're going to be doing this in the suit. So, and I was like, oh, before they kind of, actually revealed that that's what the whole store was. I was like, okay, that's what you kind of,

so it was interesting, because I was wondering how much of the religion leads its way into the Salt Lake City show. Yeah, this is something, like this is a store that I feel like could only exist within Salt Lake City or Utah somewhere, this idea of a high fashion store for,

for missionaries. This scene as a whole was, was fantastic. Like, I thought that it kind of, embodied a lot of just the setting really well, but also the themes that were going on this season in Salt Lake City.

We are getting this scene between Lisa and her son that it's got an element of tenderness there for sure, but also it's a very complicated dynamic that Lisa has with kind of the church, in the cultural sense. And like she doesn't really adhere to a lot of the more strict rules of the Mormon church. And so to have her go to this store where like she's someone that like really appreciates fashion and is going into this store where like it is fashion, but it is like within kind of a box.

whereas she's used to like expressing herself through fashion. I thought that that was really interesting. And we got to look at that dynamic of her as a mother and this like push and pull with her son and how like complicated that relationship is because he adheres so much more strictly to the church than she does. Another thing that I thought was really like compelling about this scene to me was just how Lisa. reacted to Jack kind of pushing her back a bit. Like she, as soon as he was like, you know,

I need to like, I need my space. You need to back off. Like I think he literally says you need to back off here a lot. She doesn't do that. She does the opposite. And she really like pours on the guilt and, you know,

telling this childhood story of how he used to say, uh, my heart beats to mom. to mum to mum it's like oh you are really like pulling out the deep cuts in order to like manipulate him uh into you know feeling guilty and feeling sentimental because that's what you're feeling and that's what this moment means to you it's a moment about sentimentality whereas for him this moment is the opposite this is him like trying to spread his wings and get freedom so i thought that that dynamic between these characters is just like so fascinating this was

Yeah, this scene was a definite highlight for me. Yeah. Did you have one more highlight from this episode? Yeah. The whole plated by Meredith thing. I don't know. I think it's fascinating to see what people do and, you know, outside of the confines of, you know, the show, right?

Yeah. Okay, first off, like, plated by Meredith seems like the worst name for a jewelry line. Like, she might as well have just called it cheap, right? Right? Like, this isn't, this isn't real. This is just like cold-colored. That was some marketing people being like, we're taking it back. You know what I mean?

Like, it's like next is like pleather. You know it. We know it. Wear it. What specifically about this, this scene stood out to you? You know what? But I just, I think that I was fascinated. I honestly wish they showed a bit more of the collection just because, and honestly, but maybe they did in episodes previous, like how much is, is she designing, you know, like, is she kind of overseeing design with just idea input?

Like, I'm curious now about, like, you know, how deep it goes with Meredith's involvement in the creative process for the jewelry line. Yeah, I don't know. And what I guess, it is obviously, it was kind of the climax. So you have the thing with Whitney and then Lisa then becoming the new, the new, new in terms of the fight. You know, one fight dies and another fight rises like the phoenix. Yeah. And obviously, like, you know, yeah. And then you see the preview for the next episode.

And then now Lisa's going to be like, you attacked me to Whitney. whatever after Whitney went after. Yeah, so, you know, the machine keeps moving, man. They keep fighting. Sandy, what did you think about this scene? Because this was one that stood out to me. I'm curious what your take on this party was. It was absolutely one of my highlights. I thought it was so fascinating watching Lisa. I mean, I love Lisa and Whitney's reaction. So Whitney comes to this party with her close or best friend just dying. And if I were, if this were the normal world, I would say, you know, don't do that if you can't make this someone else's party all about you. But of course, we're here for this. So I think it was a great choice. So she did proceed to make it all about her,

which is, you know, fine. She did have her friend die. I am trying to figure out what was happening with Lisa because I think Lisa just like forgot that that, that, Whitney's friend died, even if she remembered that morning. I'm interested in you guys' take on this because she really was acting like she didn't recall that, even though she apparently sent flowers that morning. It can skip someone's mind, especially someone that's very self-involved like Lisa. I think that's plausible. I'm interested to hear what you guys think. And then I think she felt really upset when she was called out on it because all of a sudden you kind of see a shift where she's like, well, yes, I just, oh yes, of course, of course, that's how you feel. And I just didn't know if I should

bring it up or not. Like, I don't know. That wasn't the vibe a second ago. And then she gets so, so upset by being called out on this. And I think that's because she feels genuinely really bad. And it's really cutting her because like she really does want to be a good friend. But she's just struggling with like an incredible, incredibly self-involved personality all the time. So that's my read on it. But I don't know if that's right. And I'm interested because I found it so interesting how upset she got because she could have just been like oh whatever like you're overreacting she but she got she was crying at some point I think after being called self-involved and I think sometimes when you know something's true about yourself it is harsher to hear so what do you guys think yeah I think that

she went into this like in battle mode and I think that you're right that she completely forgot like I think that she was, you know, in housewife mode beforehand. She's like, okay, so I've got this, like, I'm going to have to deal with Monica when she's there. And like, things are going to blow up because the last time we saw them together, it was explosive. We know that that is just such a heated intense situation. I think that was like number one thing on her mind. I think the other thing is, you know, she is clearly affected by Jack, like, leaving. and she still has this dynamic with Heather that is a little bit unsteady.

So that is another piece that is like, she's like, how am I going to deal with that? And also the last time that we saw Lisa and Meredith together, it is tense. Like at the beginning of this episode when we get like a talk with them, they have like lunch or whatever. it's like they they fight over how Lisa is like pumping the brakes on her relationship with Meredith but not on her relationship with Angie. So I think she, you know, was seeing the battlefield. She was seeing all these like fronts that she might have to wage war on. And she was not thinking at all about Whitney.

And then the fact that Whitney was like, hey, you're not being a good friend to me. which is like the core of the issue between Meredith and Lisa. I feel like she took all that energy, all that frustration that she had with Meredith about being called not a good friend and projected that on to Whitney and is like, you're not going to make me the villain here because I'm a good friend. I sent you flowers. She just completely like forgot at the beginning of,

this and you know she doesn't want this to be kind of like another nail in her her coffin because like I feel like she must know that she's not having the greatest seasons and she's got so many like fights going on that she's having to juggle like if you're in a position where you're going into a party you got four people that you're worried about interactions with like you have to know that you're not having a great season socially and so the fact that you know Whitney is someone who she has had a good relationship and she does feel like off camera she has been a good friend to have it brought up on camera and like for her to be caught completely off guard especially after forgetting i think that she was like projecting a lot and um definitely like

a misplay but i'm i'm totally here for it yeah yeah i know totally defenses were up because yeah just in as you say full she's at a 10 and housewife boat coming into that and then i think she just like whitney was probably ready to go to a 10 or whatever because and then Lisa was saying all the wrong things in terms of being you especially you know starting off with the whole like i'm not good with death thing like you know just no one wants to hear it ever you know no one wants to hear about you can't how you can't handle what they're doing in that situation because they didn't put themselves in that situation. They're grieving.

Yeah, totally. So whenever somebody launches into that, you know, I think in my head previously in life, my first instinct is like, oh, good for you. I don't care about your story right now. You know what I mean? Like, in your inability to deal with me being sad. Like, get out of here. Shut up.

You know, don't talk about it. Yeah. Totally. Sandy, what highlights did you have from this episode? Anything we didn't cover so far? So other than that, what we just discussed, my other highlight was just a little one, which was I loved Monica's do-over trip gifts. Because these trip gifts on these shows are always so absurd. They're always like, I mean, they're fun.

Like, it's fun, but they're like useless gifts. It's this whole trope, this whole thing that always happens. They already did it with the little thing of sand, like last episode where Monica had a little childish freak out and said, I'm not going on this trip and whatever else. So she's doing like this duo where she gets them these like massive pastries and like bottle of rum. I just think it was pretty funny because it was super awkward. She just like literally, I can't remember what seen it was, but she interrupted a conversation where I really wanted to hear what was happening. I don't remember who was talking, but she's like, hi, can I just interrupt this? I have to go do something for five minutes.

And I was like, oh, I really wanted to hear what was happening there. But okay, she brings them to a table to give them these giant pastry boxes and rum, which I'm sure none of them want either of those things. and I just thought it was pretty cute and stupid that she redid her gift thing. And then I love that like random people were trying to eat the pastries. And she's like, oh, those are actually special housewives gift travel intro pastries. You can't, well, you can actually have these because one person didn't come. Like none of those housewives were eating those pastries today or taking home that whatever she got them, rum thing. So I thought that was all quite adorably stupid.

Yeah. Yeah, those are producer pastries for sure. Sure. Like some production assistant sought out the Bermudan pastry or the Portuguese pastries. Monica had a really good, like, party scene. I thought that she did a great job with this like makeup, like bringing the makeup gift. She needed to do that. She also did a great job resolving things with Lisa, which was something that Lisa clearly

didn't see coming and also I didn't see coming. Like I thought that that was going to be, you know, some, a relationship that was going to be fraught for the rest of the season. And I, yeah, even Lisa said like, you're great at apologizing. This is great. And then, uh, afterwards, they like make, make up. And then Lisa's like, we're fine. We're, we're fine. Right. And Monica's like, yeah, I feel good. And Lisa being like, okay, I always need to double check because clearly, She is not handling the makeups in the relationships that she does have so far very well, since things with Meredith, who she just made up with at the beginning of the season,

are already not great. And who knows where things are at with Heather, who she has, I feel like she's made up with Heather a few times, and it just has not really stuck. So I really love the kind of self-awareness of her being like, we're good, right? Like, I don't need to worry about this.

I always think of double check. Can she take one person off her massive list that you enumerated earlier of people she has to be afraid to interact with? I'm sure she was happy. Totally. Sandy, did you have any other highlights from this episode? No, those were my top couple. Cool. Yeah, I think we covered most of what I wanted to talk about from this episode.

There was one like thing that I noticed that was really bizarre was we got the scene between Heather and Monica. at the like the bar. I don't know what this place was, but if you look in the background, every single person in there is like sitting on a laptop working. And Heather and Monica are ordering like Moscow mules and stuff like that. But it looks like the like the lobby of a very like business traveler centric hotel. Like like kind of like a nicer hotel but near the airport.

Like that's the vibe there. Just really surreal. conversation that they had where they like, you know, Heather's trying to like test the waters a little bit of like where Monica is at in terms of this upcoming trip to Bermuda. I thought was was interesting because it wasn't so much like are you coming to Bermuda or not. But like how do I proceed with you in this group? I need to figure that out like one on one because she says like I was trying the like the tough love. approach or whatever. Clearly that didn't work. And I don't think it's fair to say that that wouldn't really work with Monica because like she does revert to this like any interaction that she has with her castmates. She reverts to like a childlike position. This is something that we've talked about often covering this season. She like reverts to being a child just because of the like relationship that she has with her mother and she treats a lot of these like her castmates as kind of like maternal

figures and how she deals with them so i don't think that heather was necessarily wrong for taking kind of that tough love approach but i think that within the you know the context of everyone being upset with monica and like her feeling really ganged up on uh she needed someone in her corner that's kind of like that's what she has been the subtext of what she has been yelling all season has been like i want someone to stand up for me i want like a mother figure to like be on my side not like apologizing me not scolding me um i want someone to like take my side and she didn't get that and so i think that that's where heather went wrong in this situation um but yeah so i know that there's a lot of

stuff kind of in the meta on social media about like what is going on between Heather and Monica. We won't weigh into that until it comes up on screen, but I'm really curious to see how this develops on screen. The other highlight for me, not really a highlight, but just something that like stood out to me was the fact that Mary invited Monica over for like cake and to see her house and to like check in on her or something like that. Not really sure what Mary is doing here just within the context of the show because they don't have a pre-existing relationship.

The person that Monica seems like she might be closest with is Whitney, who Mary is not great with. So maybe there's like trying to maybe turn Monica's perspective on Whitney a little bit, but that didn't come up. So I'm really confused as to what Mary is doing here. It almost feels like she is like going one by one with each of the castmates, bringing them over to her house for like a one-on-one discussion this season. Because we saw that like I think Meredith came over for a one-on-one. Heather came over for a one-on-one. Now Monica is coming over for a one-on-one.

Is she like, it's like that the opening scene of the gone. Godfather is what it kind of reminded me, like, come into my space and, you know, like, really have this, like, take a groveling tone with me and, like, you know, butter me up to, like, if you want to get something out of me. Have some fluffy carrot cake. So much cake on this show that they never eat. But, okay, but Mary, like, what is she even doing? She's only filming in her house. Like, that's the only place she's willing to film. This is a total repeat of several seasons ago where she's.

eventually quit the show. She doesn't want, she refuses, seems to refuse to film with the rest of the cast. And I like Mary, she's weird, but like she needs to interact a bit. I don't want to only see her in her weird house. Like, it's cool once or twice. But she needs to go out and do something. Like, why is she even on the show? Like, this can't last that much.

She's not going to be brought back, right? Like. So I feel like when they went into do this season, they were like, you're coming back as a housewife. So like full-time housewife, we're going to shoot stuff in in your house or whatever. You're going to like be in the driver's seat on your story and how we're going to film and have some control. And then they realized she was doing the like same thing and demoted her to friend of. I feel like I've said that I think friend of is the perfect mix for Mary. But we you're right. We need to see her out and about. We need to see like like when we get her.

her out at a party or interacting in a group setting, it is very, like, rewarding. There's so many great moments come out of that because she's forced to interact with people that she cannot hide her, like, contempt for. So, like, that's, that's the Mary that I love to see. I feel like they were going to treat her as, you know, a housewife. And so they were filming at her house. And she got to bring people over and they're like, okay, now like these are significant interactions for the sake of the overall story. We need to include these pieces. But I feel like if she returns next season, they might have a better idea as to how to handle her in a friend of capacity as opposed to like pursuing it as just the return of Mary as as like a snowflake holder. Yeah, totally. That's,

that's that's very helpful. Thanks, Craig. That's, I mean, that's not, it's good. I know, it's not the insider Bravo, but I take it like that. I think it's a really good guess. Yeah, the way it stands right now, as you describe it, it kind of reminds me of like fantasy novels or shows where it's like a wizard has to travel to talk to another wizard of great import, but goes to that wizard's tower in a faraway land and then just walks back and that's the whole thing.

Literally sometimes they just go somewhere to talk to a very learned guy and then they come back and maybe Mary is that wizard in this particular trope. And her house is, her house didn't look is weird. Did she get rid of her weird chairs or was at a different room? Because she had some real wizard chairs being shown off the last few episodes, but or Willy Wonka or whatever you want to call them. Yeah, maybe it's another thing like production is just getting used to having like to set up at mary's house they know what needs to be rearranged in order to make it

like seem like a sane place it's gonna be one of those like things you know how on like a like a police procedural show like law and order how they have kind of these fixed like setups that you always see like everything is always lit the same way uh or soap opera is another example of this where they like light things all a certain way and they have a very like simple setup that's repeatable and you always have the same like uh look i feel like mary's place is going to evolve into like a set like that where they just know their setups it's like set it up quickly and then tear it down quickly um so i want to give each of the hostwives and to an extent the friends of a rating out of 10.

We're going to work our way through them. Okay, Ryan, let's start with you. What's your rating out of 10 for Heather this episode? Five. Five? Yeah, five. Okay. Sandy, how about you?

Honestly, thinking back, I don't recall. She doesn't stand out for me. So I'll give her a six. A six. Okay, you're being generous today, you guys. I'm going to give her a three because, like you said, didn't really see much of her. I guess we got like a little bit of an interaction between her and Monica, but not really doing anything through no fault of her own, but still. Next is Lisa.

I'm going to give Lisa an eight. I really enjoyed what we got out of Lisa. I feel like this was very heavy on the Lisa because we got that really great scene between her and her son. we got, you know, a really complicated dynamic between her and basically everyone at this party. So that's that's an eight for me. How about you, Sandy? Yeah, totally echoing that. I'm going to give her a 10.

I love Lisa and she gave us a lot this episode. 10. Nice. Ryan, how about you? Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to say, yeah, it's up there. I'm going to get, I'm going to have a 9. I'm going to take away one point just because her son didn't choose anything cool in the suit shop.

Should it tore off the sleeves or something like that? Yeah. Or if you want to, if I could rate him independently, that little dork gets a two. Go have fun in Bogota. I like her son, Jack. I think, like, I don't know, he's just been someone that we have seen a lot of different, like, we've seen him grow up and kind of like just be this awkward force and I don't know I I really enjoy that it is like he is such a contrast between her between Lisa and and him so

yeah I like him Sandy what were what would you give Monica out of 10 I'm gonna give Monica an eight for this episode or maybe just in general I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm getting I'm I'm just doing a vibe overall. She gets an eight. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I think that Monica, I'm going to also give her an, I'm not going to give her an eight because I gave Lisa an eight. I'm going to give her a seven.

I do think that she was doing a lot. I think she's doing a good job of trying to change her, like, position socially. And she's like in makeup mode. How much of that is like, you know, force. site and like being genuine and how much of that is like because their backs up against the wall and you know how much that ratio even matters at all is up for debate but yeah seven seven for me uh Ryan uh yeah I'm going to say eight as well uh yeah decent amount of action and a good apology so Whitney Ryan what what was your score for Whitney um I think uh I

I'll give Whitney an eight as well. I had a blend of, you know, some real human stuff happening, plus still some party fireworks under bad circumstances. Sandy, what do you think about Whitney? Yeah, I'm going to run her an eight because she brought it to the party. And, yeah, I like that she made it all about her. Not unreasonably, but it worked well. Yeah, I'll give Whitney an eight as well.

That makes me feel like I should bump Lisa up a bit, higher, but I said it. So it's in the spreadsheet that I'm keeping. Can't change it now. So Meredith, what do you think about Meredith, Sandy? Okay, well, yeah, Meredith can have like a three. I don't know. She just put out her jewelry like every other housewife does.

We literally had one lot, like two episodes ago that put out a jewelry line. Not that I'm not interested in that. To be fair, I love seeing their, like, weird little businesses, but. Oh, they all have a jewelry line. Yeah, Meredith. I used to think Meredith was like pretty interesting, maybe like the first season,

but she just kind of stagnated a bit in the last while. So we're always kind of doing the same thing. She does, she does like bring some drama, but yeah. Yeah, what I think is, makes Meredith a great housewife, because I think that she is a great housewife is the fact that, she is so emotional and like reactive to any situation. There's a part during this party where, you know, when Lisa comes and,

or sorry, when Whitney comes in and is like tells her what's up and like why she's got like a cloud hanging over her. Meredith is like just compartmentalize. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. And this is advice like coming from someone who cannot compartmentalize anything and is just so like emotionally affected by everything that is going on.

She like flips out on people and then is like, sorry, it's just because I've got this other thing going on in my life. There's some like talk of like some sort of like sick kid that is in her life that is causing her to fly off the handle at people. So this advice to compartmentalize coming from her is just so rich. But that's something that makes her a great housewife. And that kind of speaks to her lack of awareness here. But yeah,

we didn't see much of her other than her jewelry line. But we did get that one little clip that I'm going to give her a point for the compartmentalized lack of self-awareness. And for having the maybe most terrible name for a jewelry line

out of any housewife jewelry line, which like played it is so cheap. So she's getting, she's getting a five for me. Ryan, did I get your score on Meredith? No, I'll give a five. I mean, like, you know, yeah, not much action really besides the event. But I was pretty on the rails. Yeah, for sure.

Angie, Ryan, what did you think about Angie? I guess one. Who's Angie? Yeah. Yeah, we did not see a lot of Angie this episode. episode. So that is a fair assessment. Yeah, straight up. I don't know. I probably know if we went back or whatever. But yeah, I know. The name does ring a bell from everyone I saw. Sandy, what did you think of Angie? Yeah, I don't have any memory of her in this episode at this point. So I'll

give her a two. I don't know. Two. Yeah. I think like the only time that we saw her was at the very beginning. We got a, um, like her and Heather talking about the pioneer party or something like that. I'm going to give her a two because she still is the like the catalyst for some of the, the shit that's going down between Meredith and Lisa. So get a point for that. Um, cool. And do you guys feel strongly enough about Mary, friend of? to give her a rating this episode. I like the carrot cake. It did look pretty good.

All right. I'm going to give the cake a six. Okay. She gets a six by way of the cake that she did not bake. Sandy? Yeah, she can have a three. I mean, I love Mary, but as I said, she's not doing much right now. Okay, yeah, I'm going to give her a two.

All right. So that is Salt Lake City wrapped up for us this week. Let's talk about Miami. Once again, we're going to do Housewives in a hurry. Ryan, 20 seconds. Tell us who the Housewives are and what happened in this episode. Okay. So I forget who it was, but someone blabbed about Adriana's cancer a whole bunch,

which then Adriano went into a K-hole. And then there was an F-Cancer party. And then Old Gertie was mad at Larsa. Yeah, that's who it was. Yeah, Larsa. right, was blabbing. Yeah, Larsa was blabbing about Gertie's cancer. And Adriana goes into a K-hole.

That, like, pretty much sums up the episode, I would say. Yeah, it was Gertie's cancer. Ryan, what highlights did you have from this episode? C-hole, definitely. It seemed to be a big old commercial for ketamine. Except for the second half, which I, yeah, I wasn't aware that ketamine therapy could yield, you know, kind of whatever broker opener, bro and dad. And I also, you know, because it probably goes through a pretty severe edit, I wonder,

like, I don't know how long a Cahill lasts or whatever. Yeah, I'm not sure either. I, this scene was amazing. I love that. So Real Housewives of Miami airs directly after Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And this week on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which we'll talk about. in a bit they start this like they have this THC edible dinner and everyone is having like between zero and like three micrograms of THC like a relatively small amount of THC in their food

and Adriana is like that's cute I'm gonna go into a K-hole I'm gonna go take some ketamine contrast. But yeah, this, the fact that this seemed like it happened in another one of those

strip malls that they seem to love on these shows, like the strip mall pseudo medical clinics where you just like go in and it's like, yeah,

we'll give you some. Yeah, we'll give you some. She hugged the doctor and her hugged. I'm like, all right. It's nothing wrong with it.

You know, compassionate care. But it's always a choice. Yeah. I mean, a very emotional scene from Adriana. And it almost felt like a sometimes we see in any form of like narrative, a scene where someone experiences like a rebirth. And it's like a new starting point for that character.

And this really like felt like that. It had the like illusion of having some sort of like breakthrough. moment. And I mean, not to say that Adriana as a person had a breakthrough or this is going to like change her as a whole on a person outside of the show. But it seems like in the narrative of this season, that that's what this episode is or this scene is representing. So I'm very curious as to see what happens with her

going forward this season. Like I feel like this is going to signify a change in her as a character. I'm hoping that this is like a villain origin story. But either way, the way that this is like framed and presented, it did feel like it was a significant moment. And love that it was from her tripping on ketamine. Just brilliant.

Yeah, what other highlights did you have? Well, I think Cahill definitely stuck out. I think that, yeah, just the whole the plot line about Gertie's cancer in general. I like the first the over-announcing by Larsa and then the, I believe towards the end there was some like weird speculation as to whether or not it was like legit or something. Yeah. That's crazy because I think, I mean, that's pretty bold, you know,

The old cancer fake. Which has precedent in this world. I hate to say that I didn't know people who've tried. Yeah. I legit would hate to say I didn't think, feel like I knew people who have actually done it. There's one guy I know who got busted doing it. It's kind of insane.

Yeah. That would be huge. That would be huge for the season. Well, someone got busted on it doing it on Real Housewives of Orange County a few episodes. and everyone's selling jewelry? Like, what? It was amazing. It was like, that's one of the best seasons of real housewives for me because we got

Megan King Edmonds come on and it was her rookie season. And she got presented as like the world's greatest detective who flushed out Vicki Gunwelson, an all-time great housewife, her partner at the time. Brooks faking cancer and it was yeah brilliant that that is like the season I feel like got me hooked on on housewives that's that's substantial yeah someone sleuthing someone's husband wife and he was just like such a fantastic villain too because he just like exuded this energy that was like ick it was like real like a real slimy snakey guy that that like, but he was also like he was charismatic in a way that like those types of people can can be.

And like that's something that, you know, whether it like compels you to like a person or hate a person, that's still like a type of charisma that you on shows like these, you have to acknowledge as being great for television. So. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, those compulsive liars, like there, you won't hear many compulsive liars that aren't. charismatic because that doesn't work. You know, if you get into your test phase and you're like, oh, I'm unlikable. This is a failure to launch. But if you're slick and you can lie, then it becomes part of your personality and it, you know, breeds over years.

It's insane. Growing up around compulsive liar or two, you know, we all know one. Yeah. So weird. So strange. Yeah. But that is to say like Gertie is definitely not faking this. Like, she has no motivation to do that.

And, like, it's clearly something that is, like, affecting her a ton. And that's also just, like, not her personality type. And there's, like, no basis for that. No, because if you wanted to leverage it, then you share it around. But it wasn't Gertie sharing it around. You know what I mean? Like, she's just trying to. Yeah.

Yeah, Sandy, what were your highlights from Miami? My main highlight was just that I'm loving Larsa as this villain, as we're discussing. So not only did she tell this cancer secret that she was specifically asked not to share, when Gertie told her about cancer, she also had like the weirdest reaction. And she was like, well, how do you know? So she seems to have some sort of conception about cancer diagnosis that, like, it's not a thing. because she was like, how could you possibly know you have cancer? And then even in this episode, she said, who tests for cancer?

I'm like, a lot of people test for cancer in various ways. That's a major, major thing. So she's having some troubles with the medical system and just how it works. And calling around, like throwing out this fake thing. Like, I'm super impressed and super excited. I've never liked Larsa that much. Like, she's not likable, but I'm liking this villain, angle and was she like this in the past? I feel like she was more just like kind of rude,

but not particularly a villain, right? Yeah, I don't think she was like had this level of villainy. And like you said, her kind of speculating about this being being fake, it kind of speaks to her as being someone that would like consider faking cancer in order to get attention. Like it really seems like she's like, oh, this is like, this is something that I would pull. Better investing it. Yeah. I love it because she's also not that like she doesn't seem too too smart or like, I don't know, like too strategic. So it's kind of like a little bumbling, but like she's committing to it.

So I don't know if you agree, Craig, I'm interested in your take on her, but I'm interested to see where it goes. I wonder if she saw that season you guys are detailing, right? And it was like, well, that's what's going on here. Yeah, it could be. Yeah, no, I think, like, Larsa is definitely not someone that is particularly strategic, at least in the sense that we see it with other housewives. Like, she's not, I don't think she's strategic in terms of how she plays the game on the show, like, in terms of trying to do things in order to craft her narrative and, like, you know,

try to steer herself into certain archetypes that we get to see on screen. But I do think that she is strategic in other ways, especially like socially just in terms of her overall position. I don't think she sees things in the like from a storytelling perspective. But I do think she is constantly trying to be a social climber. Like we saw that with like Ramona is someone who is similar to Larsa in that way where, you know, very aware of. Or, okay, I called Ramona aware. She's not aware of anything.

But she like just very concerned about how she is going to like gain more prominence. Like this relationship between Larsa and Marcus Jordan feels so fake to me. It doesn't necessarily feel fake. I feel like they've done a pretty good job of seeming like there's some substance there. But it just like my gut says that this is bullshit. This is like just for the camera so that people will talk about it. Like that she is using the fact that she was married to Scotty Pippen and is now dating. dating Michael Jordan's son as like something to get headlines.

Okay. Talking about her. I was going to ask about Pippin and then and so that's Michael Jordan's son. Yeah. Wow. That's infinitely interesting in its own regard. But yeah, the, uh, the podcast thing, isn't it funny watching a fledgling podcast, knowing that only one and five of these things is going to see episode eight? you know what I mean?

You guys have the grace of Craig J. Ward, experienced media producer of all types. He's done everything, folks. Yeah, well, I mean, it's not like we're exactly the most successful podcast in the world here. But we do it for the love, for the discussion. It's a laborer of love. But, yeah, this podcast between Larsa and Marcus, like, no one is asking for this. I don't think. People will listen to it, but like, no one wants that.

Even the I heart radio girl during that scene was like rolling her eyes at everything they did. Separation anxiety. You're like, oh, like, let's just open iTunes and type in separation anxiety and watch the wave crash in of that title. Yeah, this girl was like doom scrolling while this like, well, they were doing their promo shoot. It was so funny to see how disinterested she was. Nothing like shooting video about your upcoming podcast, hey? Kick of that peanut around a little bit before she goes to lunch. Totally.

Sandy, what other highlights did you have from Miami? You know, that was pretty much it. I'm going to be honest, I watched it really late last night, and I was trying to do it. But I did also just, yeah, the podcast. It's like, it's like cringy and I want it to be real because I love when people are like embarrassingly in love. But I agree that it's hard to believe. But it's still embarrassing. So I appreciate it still.

Either way, it's embarrassing. So I love it. So just Larsa. Overall, she's going to get a high rating for me if we rate them. Oh, great. Yeah, I think we covered a lot of what I wanted to talk about as well. I do want to talk about the scene that we got off the top with, Marisol and Kiki and how they're also like banged up from this like charity basketball event that we got last episode.

I feel like Kiki chose a nighty or whatever that was to look extra frail or so like because like people are so clued into fashion. That thing was like definitely an 80 year old like I have a walker. I'm at home look. Yeah, it was like, speaking of Michael, Michael Jordan, they were like, this scene reminded me of like the tune squad at half time in Space Jam, where, you know, you got like characters in like an iron lung and everyone is just like cartoonishly deflated and banged up. It was really great to see Marisol, like, who self-diagnosed herself into like wearing a sling that she put like, like Chanel pins on or something in order to bling up. Really, really fantastic. I love that.

You know, I love that Kiki was like trying to like sell this injury as legitimate being like, oh, maybe I gave Adriana a hard time last year about how she was reacting because we, we got that flashback to Adriana in her, in her wheelchair. Yeah, just like that was that was a winner of a scene for me and You know no housewives involved just just friends of so it was awesome that we got to see that and you know

Marisol had a like a bit where she was writing the word like flatulent on a white board to Differentiate between flatulent and fraudulent just yeah fantastic all around The the other thing that stood out to me was a seen leading up to Adriana's C-hole where Julia is like got phone calls to make to invite people to this party and decides to call Marisol of all people while Adriana is in the car, like to invite her to this party in front of Adriana where that is like such a fraught relationship. And you know, Marisol is like like seems very willing to come to this party until Julia's like, oh, by the way, it's at Adriana's place.

And she's like, oh, yeah, I've got a medical procedure tomorrow so I can't. But, you know, I'll be there in spirit. And Adriana is like so pissed about this. Like she's like, it is totally because of me. And absolutely it is because of her. And yeah, I thought that that was just an amazing exchange. And not only is it because of her, but Adriana, as of last episode, was barring Marisol and maybe someone else from her house.

So I love how she's now like, oh, she won't come to my house. Like, I don't even know how Julia got her to agree to this. Because last, after that basketball game, she was like, this person's not coming to my house and all that. So that's, but we have amazing friends of in this, in this series. And I honestly think some of them maybe should be swapped, like maybe all of them. Like, obviously, Adriana and Marisol have been full housewives in the past. And they bring more than like Lisa.

I don't know. You know, like this will shake out in our ratings perhaps. But I think they're they're really good. And Kiki's so cute. Like she kind of just a nice comic relief. So yeah. Yeah, totally. Well, let's get into rating these housewives.

I want to start with Gertie. Ryan, what did you think about Gertie? Gertie? I like Gertie. Just like, yeah. So I'd say eight. Like she's definitely. could have flipped out more or whatever and made more of a thing about it, but she was kind of

like medium, medium raging. So you can tell it was pretty real. And I would say that's warranted. Yeah, totally. Uh, Sandy? Yeah, I'll give Gertie a seven. She's always solid. I like her. And she's got a good storyline. Not a good storyline. Let's rephrase that, but a storyline that's bringing a lot. A compelling one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, I, I also, also give her a seven. I feel like, you know, she did give us, she did give us an entertaining episode, but she, I feel like she left a little bit on the table. Like, she could have really exploded at this fuck cancer party at the, you know, the audacity of Larsa to be like accusing someone of faking cancer.

Like it was not the place to do it, but also it was exactly the place to do it. So, you know, that's where I feel like she could have scored a little bit higher marks. But I don't know. Does this party end? Like, is it to be continued? Yeah, because we have to have the opera singing. A bit of that. Oh, yeah.

Of course. How could I forget that? Speaking of opera, Sandy, what did you think of Julia? Yeah. Man, Julia's okay. I'll give her a five. I don't know. That's all.

Ryan, how about you? Yeah. I'll say, I'll give her a six just because I don't know how you could have handled that phone call in the car. You know, she just seems like she's got a little bit of awkward in her all the time Julia does. Yeah. But I'll give her, yeah, she would be a five, but I'll give her the extra point because I'm just realizing all the sports relationships in Miami. that are happening now that you mentioned Pippin and Jordan and I know that

Julia is married to Martina Naravitova so that's a pretty cool connection right there yeah so I don't know she gets a bonus point from yeah I think I like a six for Julia as well because yeah the scene in the car was a standout for me the fact that

you know she just unwaveringly went with Adriana to support her during her K-hole. You know, we're going to, we're gearing up for the opera, which is, you know, what her tagline this season is, is all about. So, but yeah, still, it wasn't exactly fireworks. So six. Sandy, what do you think about Lisa?

Lisa is a two. I don't, I'm not that into her. Just don't feel like, all she's giving is her new relationship. and it's kind of whatever, right? Nothing else. Yeah. Yeah, there was, the only other thing was like, she isn't showing up to this party because the police are at her.

Oh, yeah. They showed up to her door or something like that. Well, maybe next episode she'll get more then. Yeah, I think a two's fair. That's where I'm going with that as well. Ryan, how would you? Yeah, I don't know. I'll, uh, I'll bump it up to a four on my,

um, and just because of the inherent intrigue I have at the cringe value of the podcast where I'm just like, oh, that's, that's Larsa. Oh, Lisa we're talking about. Oh, sorry, I misheard. Yeah. Okay. And now I have to separate the two in my mind because I thought it was Lisa, but Larsa, it's Larsa Pippin, right?

And it's Lisa. So wait, what was Lisa doing? So we didn't see much of her. She was on the boat, the like for the F1 party or whatever. She showed up with her husband. but that's about it. Then there's a little bit of talk at the end of the episode about whether or not she's going to show up to this party

and they phone her and she is not because the police just showed up. Oh, okay. Then 10, unbelievable potential. We haven't seen a blossom at all. So I'm going to say, you know, this is the part where the firework disappears in the night sky right before. four. Its colors light up the horizon. Wow.

Okay, so let's talk Larsa. Do you want to stick with your four on Larsa? No. Now that, because now that bundling the cancer thing into the podcast thing, now we have a full, yeah, I'm going to give my first legit 10, I think. Oh, okay. Cringe of podcast. We saw Lisa in Salt Lake City handle.

a friend's death with Noah Plum. I know I very know how to say that. And then we get the contrast of going even worse with it, blabbing someone's very intimate news, and then questioning the veracity of the news that you blabbed, which is a mind-blowing turn. Yeah, so all over the map. And also, your name makes me want delicious laxia,

which is Southeast Asian deliciousness. really good noodles and stuff yeah yeah so 10 i i'm gonna give larsa uh i'm gonna give her a nine here it's a little bit of a reluctant nine because i gave lisa barlow a nine for her oh no i gave lisa barlow an eight okay i'm not gonna rate lara higher than lisa barlow on this i'm sorry um yeah an eight feels right I feel like she gave us on par with what Lisa Barlow has been gave us on the Salt Lake City episode that we discussed. And yeah, that's where I'm at. How about she, Sandy? I'm going to do a 10, which is I think what I gave Lisa Barlow.

And I was very impressed at both. Yeah. Awesome. Dr. Nicole. Ryan, what do you think? I don't. I don't know.

I might have missed some of the scenes in Nicole as well. Miami has a couple more cast members. in Salt Lake City. We also didn't get very much of her. I think we got just like a single scene where Nicole and Anthony are making pasta or something with Alexia and Todd. Oh, okay. It's like the whole thing about the apology thing there? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, okay. I remember that scene then, yeah. But don't forget, we also saw her looking at her new walking closet at her future house. so exciting. Oh, right. Yeah. Ryan, what was your number for Nicole? I have two, I guess.

Not really, yeah. Sandy? Two. Two's across the board. It would be a one for me if it weren't for the fact that she's just likeable. I think that she's just kind of a likable person. So I'm reluctant to. to give her a one.

Alexia. I feel like Alexia is always like such a high octane housewife, but we didn't really get too much of her. I'm putting her at a four, which is probably lower than I would rank her on almost any other episode that we've seen her on. Sandy, what do you think about Alexia? Yeah, similar to you, but I'll give her a five,

but she's always fun. She gives color. So. Yeah. Ryan? Yeah, I remember Alexia from episodes I'd watch previously for the show. And yeah, like you guys say, I remember way more fireworks. So, yeah, it's just not an episode with her heavy in the mix.

So I'll give her a three. All right. Okay, so we've got three friends of on Miami. Let's give them ratings because I feel like we saw more of them than we did like some full-fledged housewives this episode. So we'll start with Marisol. Sandy, what did you think of Marisol? Marisol can have a seven. She was like, as you said, that scene was great.

I always like to keep up with her alcoholism, and she's fun and cute and et cetera. Ryan? Yeah, I'll say a seven as well. Yeah, she didn't have much to do, but did fine with it. And yeah, that's obviously they were given the opener for a reason. It's funny that they're taking the lead. Yeah, I am going to give her an eight as well just because, like, I love Marisol. I feel like any opportunity that she has for screen time, she makes the absolute most of it.

She not only like can be this like very cartoonish housewife. Like she seems almost like a. caricature of a housewife. We got that in this scene. But also, you know, I feel like a lot of people who play up a more hammy type performance on these shows, they don't have the same amount of like tension because that kind of diffuses the tension between them and other relationships that they have because it's so like, like performative almost but marisol is like constantly has a very like tense relationship with a lot of

people so um i think that she can affect scenes even when she is like not there like the ghost of marisol is in the car with julia and adrian well actually she was kind of in that scene since they were on on the call but like she impact all of these relationships when she's not even there. So, yeah, I feel like her presence is a big one. And I love the scene at the beginning. So she gets an eight for me. Let's talk about Adriana.

Sandy, what do you think about her? Yeah, I'll give her an eight because the ketamine thing was awesome. And I just, I really like her overall. She brings a lot of drama, insane and absurd. Yeah, totally. Ryan? Yeah, I think that I'll give it a nine just based on, you know, that was pretty intense watching her on ketamine.

Yeah, that was interesting. So, yeah, I'm going to give her a nine. Yeah, I'm going to give her a 10. She went into a K-hole for us. that is giving. But also, she just has such an enormous impact on the show as a whole. Like, I feel like, I feel like specifically with Marisol and Adriana, if they weren't there, this would be a completely different show. Like, they give more to this show than Nicole does, I think, like, or like even Julia does.

I think that, you know, Miami just wouldn't be Miami without them. And the fact that they aren't like, they aren't mojito holders, I think is what they hold in Miami. That is is baffling to me. I don't really get it. But yeah, 10 for Adriana. Also, she's enabling Julia's delusions of being able to sing opera. Like, this is like, brilliant. brilliant work from her.

So looking forward to see what the rebirth of Adriana is like. So, wait, Julia is going to be singing La Traviata or whatever it is, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, it is going to be terrible if all the clips that we have got so far are any indication of her abilities. It is going to be. Yeah, I didn't understand that was the three. line. I thought they might have done just like a fun, let's all give it a shot kind of thing.

And that was just the highlight. Yeah, I, we haven't really got any sort of idea about her like motivation on why opera specifically. Yeah, like you can't, if you can't nail, she'll be coming around the mountain. Don't go for the marriage of Figuero. You know what I mean? Like, maybe it's the quasi-European thing. It's a natural bridge to opera, just being European. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. We also have Kiki. I know that, Ryan, you've got a hard stop here right away. So we'll let you go right after that. Do you want to give your rating on Kiki? Yeah. I'm going to give her a seven. The Walker, Walker drama going on. Not drama, I guess, self-imposed drama. Yeah. Sandy? Yeah, I'm going to give her seven to. Kiki's fun. As I said,

And she's all, like, she tries really hard to be a full housewife. Like, you can kind of always tell she's working for that. And it's, it's very endearing. And the Walker was absolutely part of that. Yeah, she is a definite grinder. I am going to give her a six still. I gave Gertie a seven, which in retrospect is a little low. But I feel like six is about right for,

for where Kiki is. Gertie gave us a lot more drama. So I don't know why it feels like a six. Yeah, I just, I don't know. I can't put Kiki and Gertie in the same class because we really didn't get a lot of Kiki. But what she did give was pretty great. Julia's a six. So Kiki seems about right with with a six for me.

Um, all right. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Ryan. I know you've got to get going. We're going to cover real hostages of Beverly Hills in a minute. But while we've got you, want to let everyone know where they can find you? Um, no. I just stand up comedy, but I'm not very inclined to, uh, have people visiting me online and whatnot. I just don't have the time for that junk. Yeah. Don't come. Don't look me up. Don't come to my shows. If it happens, it happens. You're in a room and I'm in a room and I'm entertaining. Then that's that.

Is there anything else you want to plug that's not related to you? You want to give something else a shout out? Yeah. Duo lingo. Duolingo. Yeah. Actually, their app development team does a great job. They're constantly updating.

Really great U.X. My hat's off to the team. There you go. Go and learn Klingon. Doolingo. Awesome. Yeah. Thanks so much for joining us. All right. Thanks for having me, guys. It's fun. As always. So Sandy, Beverly Hills, what were your highlights from Beverly Hills? I really liked the back and forth sniping between Dorit and Sutton.

So it was kind of like across the episode. And at first, it started off with a very kind of catty chat between Kyle and Doreet and, um, oh my gosh. Crystal was there? Yeah, Crystal. I just, I just, yeah. Crystal was like trying to tone it down and not kind of, not, uh, partaking in that. But Dorete just kind of pulls out like, well, Sutton's pretty weird as, as they were discussing with the interaction with Kyle, which I admit was pretty weird.

And that's why we love our Sutton. Yeah. But then she's just like, she just seems like someone that's probably drinking vodka in the morning with her coffee. And I'm like, okay. Like, I don't know. That just came out of nowhere, and I'm very defensive about Sutton. And like, I just felt, and then they were just kind of making fun of her.

And then, yeah, Crystal came to her defense, at least in her talking head, if not in the actual conversation. But then Sutton gets something in later, which is regarding the scene with her matchmaker. And she's brought Dorit over to help her with that. And she says, if Durit fell in love with P.K., maybe I need to not be so. picky and I was like, good, you got your point in. But then later, Dorete, and again, honestly, I don't even remember the context of this, but I just wrote down that she accused Sutton of not being self-aware. Maybe it was within the dating discussion. And I mean, there's different levels of self-awareness for all these ladies. I don't know if I would pay Doreda's like the most

self-aware housewife. So I thought that was a little hypocritical. And that's just like a real, like, that's kind of a cutting insult too, right? It's sort of getting, it's sort of like a personality insult. So anyway, I'm very defensive of Sutton and I don't, I didn't love Dorit insulting her, but I did love Sutton insulting to read. Yeah, so first that scene with at, um, at Kyle's or Dorit's. I can't remember whose place it was at with Crystal. I thought that that was like a clear setup from Kyle and Dorit.

and Crystal didn't realize that she was walking into this scene where the full purpose of this was to get it on camera in front of someone else talking shit about Sutton and like putting it out there that she struggles with like alcohol maybe like just put that speculation out there and I think Crystal is like she's smart maybe like maybe she doesn't have the most like smart. in terms of how to play the hostwap game, but she's like a smart person. And she, I feel like she got the read on that situation. And like you said, she was trying to tone it down, especially in her confessional surrounding it.

But I feel like she also did that in the moment, which I was excited to see. I have really been liking Crystal this season. So to see her be like kind of temper down that, that conversation and make sure that she was, not like going in on that because um for two housewives like derit and kyle who are a lot more experienced than crystal i mean this is crystal's third season now but still like kyle and dureate have more under their belt and they like they play the game way more it felt to me like it was a

trap and it wasn't just to like set up sutton in a certain position, it was to force Crystal to be on their side so that, you know, she, so that they would have this like leverage over her where it's like, well, you were being catty too. You were talking shit about Sutton too. Like, you need to like go along with our, our crew. You need to roll with us because otherwise, you know, you're not going to have something to fall back on because you were, you know, laughing about this and playing along too. But Crystal didn't play ball with them. they don't have that. And, you know, like everything in this game is a calculated risk that you have to take.

So they had to put this out there. They needed to like expose their cards in order to potentially like hook her in there. And it didn't work. So Crystal now has this information that, you know, they are talking shit about Sutton. And she can use that however she wants. and, you know, they can't say, like, well, you were joking about it, too, because she wasn't. So I thought that this was a very, like, nuanced scene. And I've said, like, on the past episodes so far, I'm just, like, really appreciating what is happening on Beverly Hills right now,

because I think we're getting, like, a lot of interesting things, both, you know, from a storytelling perspective, from, like, a game perspective. Yeah, I just, I love seeing this like, you know, this classic housewife trap of like bringing some unsuspecting housewife in to like be catty with in order to try to deteriorate at a relationship that they've got both like directly by like talking shit about it to them. But also indirectly by like creating leverage of being in this situation where like, hey, you were you were talking shit about. this too so you're like you don't have the the higher ground here so yeah love love that scene yeah that was awesome um another thing that i was really interested in obviously the dinner the weed dinner was was interesting in a few levels obviously the um i want to talk about the set and Kyle stuff but one little thing to note like i was interested that Kyle jokingly brought up the dinner party from hell, that famous thing that they flash back to, I think, from when Alison DuBah, the psychic was at

that dinner years ago. And she, Kyle was like jokingly bringing up what Allison said, which is a little weird because like Allison was dead on. Like she said, your husband will never emotionally fulfill you. I mean, I can't say the details of their breakup, but they're breaking up now. And I'm sure at this point, Kyle knows enough that there's something, you know, she's having troubles in her marriage. So I was interested that she sort of frivolously brought that up when it really is actually feels like quite a, I don't know, weighty thing to say to bring up that this psychic actually predicted this 10 years ago. So obviously, you can say anyone might have a divorce in 10 years. So but I just thought it was interesting that she brought it up as a joke. Yeah, it is interesting.

And I think like I feel like Kyle was like putting that out there because she wants. wanted her marriage to be a topic of conversation for some reason. And I think that that motivation would be different depending on, you know, who was going to, like, take the bait. And I feel like she knew that it was going to be Sutton that was going to, like, jump on that because of what Sutton has been saying. But I'm curious what you think about, like, how Sutton and Kyle converse, like, how they address each other.

Yeah, I'm not even sure if I'm like fully formed, but it's like they're both reading each other, but they're also not can, they're not like they're, you know, they're adversarial. But they, I don't know, like, like Sutton's right. There's something going on. Kyle maybe doesn't want to talk about it or secretly does or whatever, but Sutton won't let it go. I don't know. It's certainly compelling. And they certainly seem to not be finding a peaceful. middle ground, which we love. So I don't know, what are your thoughts I'm interested to hear yours? Yeah, this is probably the most interesting thing about Kyle for me this season. It's not so much her relationship with Morgan or Mo, but it is how she is like, I don't know, both Sutton and Kyle are projecting onto each other. And I think that like Crystal, Crystal had a really good assessment.

I think it was Crystal or no, maybe it was Anne-Marie. Someone was like, you both are talking like at each other. You're not saying anything. And I think that that's exactly the read. They're both kind of repeating the same things. They're like repeating these ideas that they have about each other, but they're not like saying anything. They're not communicating what they want of the other.

And it's more about them, yeah, just like emoting at each other without making any, any ground. So I thought that was, it's, yeah, it's interesting how they, how they talk. And I don't see how they are going to progress without having some like tangible, um, concrete thing to actually argue over. Like it feels like the type of conversation that needs. needs a winner. Like you know how sometimes you can be like if you're arguing it with someone, like whether it's like online in a conversation or something like that.

And it just feels like someone is not going to let it go unless they win. That's what it feels like. It feels like someone needs to feel like a winner. And they both need that. And there's no way that that can happen because I don't think they even know what they want from each other. And I don't know how much we care about like the pretense of their real legitimate friendship. They keep talking about how like this conversation is worth continuing because I care about Sutton as a friend and vice versa. But like I don't think you guys actually like each other

very much maybe. Like I get it and does that matter? I mean how many of these people actually like each other. It depends on the show. Right. And but it's, but they definitely talk about this friendship being worth saving. So I have to keep yelling. Yeah. My. views at this person and then back talking them. So kind of typical, but yeah, I don't know. We'll see, I guess. Yeah. And I was actually under the impression, like, going into this season that Sutton and Kyle had like a real world foundation for their friendship. I don't know if Kyle was the one that brought Sutton on, but I seem to remember, didn't Sutton live in like Kyle's guest house for a while during the divorce or something? So I thought that there was some sort of real

World Foundation there. But it definitely, maybe that's why this is such like a messy dialogue between them is because there's like there's history that complicates this. And it's more like, you know, a frustration with each other that isn't tangible. But Kyle is fighting so dirty in my opinion.

The fact that she's like, oh, you know, I think she might have an alcohol problem or like, she also implied that Sutton has like an eating disorder and like, just real like digs like like really emotional digs that that are happening here. So this like this feels really like an honest emotional dynamic between the two that we're getting on screen, which is a real contrast to me between the dynamic that we see with Kyle and Mauricio where I feel like they aren't like they're trying really hard to put.

put up a bit of a front that it's it's not working like we see their relationship in a deteriorated state even though it seems like they're trying to maintain this idea that things are you know maybe not great but still okay and they're using like this idea of um kyle getting tattoos as like an allegory for their relationship like her putting most marks on her, her body, like chipping away at the, the person that she was for all those years with Mauricio.

Um, I think that that is like fascinating in, in its own way and it's interesting to see it play out as kind of a contrast between the relationship that she's got with, with Sutton. That's a good point. And side note, him calling her love bean is like gag.

Love bean. I've never heard him call her. that before. I have never noticed, but he's pulled out love being like he just says it every sentence in this in this season. I was like, oh, really trying to spice up the romance, not working. I don't know. Desperate attempt. I don't know. Did you have any other highlights from Beverly Hills? I think that was mostly it. I just thought it was interesting how Garcell jumped in to kind of up the firepower on Sutton's attack of, of, um, of Ka, which was kind of not going anywhere, because she just kept saying, is there something you want to share?

And then, like, about your marriage. Like, and just kind of like pushed the rock over the cliff there. So I just thought that was kind of good because Garcell's is a character that, like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I'm on the fence on how, like, good of a housewife she is, I guess. We probably talked about this in the past, but she has her moments where she just kind of bluntly pushes things forward and that's useful. so yeah like generally kind of like a passive force on the show just like she's she's there and you know has kind of peripheral drama like you know i guess last season with erika like erika had such a dominant storyline and you know garcel did have some drama with with her relating to her family and um yeah but it's always kind of like sidelines and we don't see her actively

engaging in situations like this typically. So it was, it was really good to see Garcel kind of jump in. I also like Crystal's another person that I feel like never really takes a front row seat. And I think that I'm really loving what she's bringing this season. We even got her like a very rare moment of Crystal stirring the pot at this dinner where she's like before like before we eat, does anyone want to clear the air about anything? Like, you know, clearly knowing that she's just brought Sutton and Kyle in from having a tense relation or tense conversation.

And it's like, yeah, does anyone have anything they want to talk about in front of the group? Nice. Really, really love that. Before none of us get high. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, everyone was taking, I think, like, I think the highest dosage was like five mil, or micrograms or something. something like that.

Did Kyle end up having any? Because remember she was like afraid about being hypocritical, but she's also hosting a weed dinner. Do we know what she had? Right. I think she didn't, but I'm not sure. Why have a weed dinner?

It doesn't seem like the crowd that wants to have a weed dinner. Yeah, clearly it was it was not. Yeah, I think we covered most of my highlights. We, I think we, we have to talk about the like the maybe not friends of but the like um the supporting cast at this dinner was really strong the fact that we got denise richards coming back fey resnick camille grammar

like this was an all-star dinner that that happened and um denise i like she's she gives off like vibes. I'm going to like play Kyle here a little bit, but like she she gives off vibes that she is on something. Like she does not seem like she's completely lucid. Yeah. Yeah. I did feel like all the clips of her crazy face were like overblown in the sort of previews I saw on Instagram. Once I saw it for real, you know, I was like, okay. It was just one moment. But yeah, she feels she feels a little something. So yeah. Yeah, it's even like not so much the faces.

And I did get this impression when she was like a full time cast member. It's like just like very like cracky vibes to how she like she talks and she like, I don't know. It's something about it is just like really off. I don't think we'll ever know at least. on on housewives because I don't see her coming back but you know maybe we'll see something play out yeah um the the the other thing that I want to bring up is like we got the first like substantial appearance of Morgan on on this and I'm curious what your thought about this relationship or potential relationship between Kyle and Morgan looked like

So after this, I just Google because I'm like, where was this all acts? There were so many rumors. They were dating. They were a scene together, whatever. They're not dating in any official way, right? Like Morgan has a boyfriend or partner, some other singer or something. I mean, I don't even know what to say. It was kind of cool to see them together after all the hype.

I never heard of Morgan Wade, but I like looked her up, looked at the video that Kyle was in where she plays her love interest. That's fun. I don't know. I mean, I guess you could say she has more chemistry with Morgan than Maricio at this time, as everyone was saying. I would certainly stand by that. But I don't know. At this point, I'm not even up on like, do we think that like Kyle is bisexual and pursuing her? Like, where is it all at?

I don't even know. I don't know what the, I don't know what the speculation is online about that. But to me, this did not seem like it was purely platonic. Like, they had, first off, they did have, like, such a flirty vibe. But she let, Morgan let Kyle, like, tattoo her, like, with a, with a K. Like, I don't know. That's, obviously Morgan does not have a sentimental perspective on tattoos, which I think, like, that's very common. When you've got lots of tattoos, it's just like,

what like it doesn't it doesn't matter as much but also like you have to know how that is going to come across when you're doing that on camera on a show when you've got all this speculation it just seems very like it seems very direct and um yeah i don't know it it got it gave off like very like lovey-dovey vibes. But genuine, because I mean, Kyle's is a person that I wouldn't put it past her to sort of hype up that stuff, right? To get to get headlines. Not to say, it could be, it could be genuine to some degree.

I think she leaned into it obviously, right? Yeah. And maybe, but I don't know. I don't have a like a hard read on that. But it's, it's cool to see her with someone else. Like I, it's, I like Kyle's trajectory. Her transformation sounds like we're going to hear a whole bunch more about her friend who committed suicide and how that's been affecting her. And I saw some comment where she said that everyone knew about that, but it hasn't been on camera yet.

So that's some editing choices happening there for story. So anyway, I just think it's all very interesting. And I'd be interested to see if Morgan stays as a character. She said that she stalked Morgan online. That's how they became friends. So that shows a dynamic. You don't do that every day to just a random friend. That shows like a level of interest that might be more than just friends.

So I don't know. It's fun, I guess. I'm interested in it. Yeah, totally. Let's, oh, let's briefly talk about Anne-Marie, who is, was going into the season, supposed to be a full-time housewife. And now there's speculation that she is not going to be because her husband is facing sexual assault allegations.

But we got the first appearance of her at this dinner. Crystal has like a confessional where she says that bitch is nosy, which I thought was really, really funny. Yeah, what did you think about Anne-Marie at this dinner? Honestly, I don't, I did, like, I don't recall anything super standing out. She made, as you said, she did that read on on Kyle and Sutton, which I think was accurate and helpful, but I don't really have any strong opinions on that, to be honest. Do you? Yeah, I think aside from that, she was pretty, like, transparent. She didn't really give much. But I'm curious to see what her, you know, how she evolves this season and whether she is going to get her diamond or not. Let's quickly go through the housewives and give them a score.

Sandy, what do you think about Garcel? I give Garcel a five because she made that comment at the dinner and pushed it forward. Yeah, I'm going to give her a five as well. I think that that's fair. We didn't see much of her outside of that, but that's, that was good. How about Sutton? I give Sutton a 10. Love Sutton.

She's bringing it all the time. Yeah, I'm going to give Sutton. a nine, I think that she has been fantastic so far, leaving a little room for growth there. Erica? One, I don't remember, was she even in this episode? We, I think we saw her, well, she was at the dinner for sure, but I don't think we saw any, oh, we got a scene between her, her, like, new talent manager. but I think that that's about it. Like we kind of got the implication that her old talent manager leaked something about Kathy.

Yeah. I'll give her a one for this episode. Yeah, I'm going to give her a one as well. Doreet. Doret can have an eight. I don't like her, but she's being snarky to people. And eight, maybe a seven. I'll give her a seven.

Okay, that's in line with what I'm going to do, a seven as well. I thought that it was really, yeah, she played a part in Kyle's trap. And also I thought that, you know, showing up to Sutton's, like, matchmaking thing with, like, the worst intentions was really good. So I like that. How about Crystal? Crystal can have a five for not falling in that trap we discussed and the comment at the dinner. All right. I'm tempted to give Crystal 7, and I think I'm going to do that.

I just really have been seeing some growth from her. So, yeah, not falling into the trap and being a little bit messy at dinner and trying to stir things up. Just really appreciating the trajectory that she's on. Okay, Kyle. Kyle can have a nine. She's bringing it as well. She's working hard this whole season. Yeah, I think I am going to give her a nine as well.

I was debating between whether I give her a 10 or not, but on par with Sutton is where I think she should live in my rankings. I was going to say we should raid Anne-Marie. We didn't really see much of her, but yeah, let's just give her a score. I don't give her a two. Two? Okay. I'm going to, I'll give her a two as well. I do think that she, that read was good, but she's going to have to, she's going to have to bring it. Cool. I think that about covers everything that I wanted to talk about for Beverly Hills. Thanks so much for doing this again, Sandy. I think this is going to be our last regular episode.

of the year. We're going to take a break over the holidays and come back in the new year. Trying to put together a Christmas special at some point. TBD on that, but Sandy, hoping that you can join us for that. I think Dylan said that he was interested in joining for that.

And we'll see what we've got for a guest and what works out scheduling-wise. So keep an eye out for that. Be sure to like and subscribe. to us on YouTube. Give us a rating on your favorite podcast platform that really helps us out. Until the new year, keep on wiping.