Oscars Outsider - Señor Noodles w/ Lyndsay Lime @VanderpodRecaps (RHONY S14E07, RHOC S17E11)

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

This week Craig and Dylan are joined by Lyndsay Lime who runs @VanderpodRecaps to talk about Real Housewives of New York S14E07 and Real Housewives of Orange County S17E11! We discuss Erin Lichy's dehydrated sister, Brynn Whitfield's chemistry with her ex Gideon, Jenna Lyons big reveal that her name is actually Judith, the ongoing evolution of Jessel Taank and wonder if Sai DeSilva has a tapeworm On our RHOC recap we talk about Tamra Judge's chaotic energy, the most Shannon Beador party ever, Gina Kirschenheiter's love of denim, the sale of Heather Dubrows mansion and Emily Simpson's work with the Innocence Project Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 07:19 - Real Housewives of New York City Recap 24:26 - Real Housewives of Orange County Recap 44:56 - Outro Find Lyndsay Lime on Instagram at ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/vanderpodrecaps⁠ or reddit ⁠/u/AdditionalWar8759 Find Dylan on substack at ⁠⁠https://dylanferguson.substack.com/⁠ Find "The Devil You Don't" on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tBassBNwKc&list=PLCGSy4_xHhBsbX0VlG3JDJwaiqsBkiGDj https://www.bravooutsider.com Music by FASSounds from Pixabay

Hello and welcome to another episode of Bravo Outsider. I'm your host Craig Midwinter. Joining me as usual is Dylan Ferguson. Dylan, how's it going? Pretty good. Kind of like last week. I'm sunburnt and dazed and jamming, just jiving. Awesome.

Glad to hear it. This week, we're very excited to be joined by a guest who runs an account that is so essential to the Bravo fan ecosystem. I don't know how we would have gotten through Scandibald without it. It's Lindsay Lyme of Vanderpodge. When life gives you lemons, brew in a lime. Excellent. That is great. Thank you, thank you. What was your inspiration for the tagline?

Well, my last name is lime, so I figured. Yeah, you know. It's really good, actually. I love it. Thanks. Every time there's like a new season that starts, we always do like a, power ranking and that would rank very high in our power ranking on the guidelines probably a level yeah oh man uh do you want to tell us a little bit about uh about yourself and the account that you run

yeah so my name's lindsay and i first started on reddit where i would um when scandival broke i would recap all the podcasts that were coming out i then started my instagram account which is vanderpod recaps. And over there, you can see all my recaps. And I started to dabble into Housewives stuff and other Bravo shows as well. But I pretty much just listen to podcasts that either the cast have or people talking about it. And I just pretty much transcribe it. I paraphrase it or I put verbatim what they're saying because sometimes they say the most wild things. And I'm like, this is really what they're saying. So, but yeah, that's a little bit about the account. and everything. Awesome. And so you cover Vanderpump rules mostly on your account. Do you watch a lot of

housewives as well? Or is this sort of something new that you're getting into? So I definitely have been watching Vanderpump from the beginning. The housewives, I've dabbled into all of them. Actually, it's funny, the Orange County episode that we're talking about it. I have not watched any of Orange County except for like half of the first season, the very first season. So this was kind of funny. for this to be like the first episode I watched and then oh yeah for sure I've seen a little bit of old Roney I've been keeping up with the new one I'm seeing I've basically like all the franchises of housewives I've seen like here and there Beverly Hills I think I got to season nine then after all the dog stuff I was like I need a break yeah I think everyone did

right and then like other shows I again like summer house I've seen a little bit. I started Southern Charm. So I've dabbled into a little bit, all of them. But the Vanderpump is the one when I've seen like every single episode multiple times. Do you have any like Bravo hot takes or controversial opinions that you want to share? Let's get right to it, right, Craig? Just catch the beach.

Let me think. I mean, I kind of am already over season 11 of Vanderpump and it has even started. I think just because I'm burnt out from Scandival. And then we've seen so many pictures already of season 11. And like I'm not really looking forward to this like crossover they're doing with like Vanderpum Valley. I'm already annoyed that Jacks is like back on the screen. I don't think that's really a hot take. I think people are, I don't know.

Some people with Jacks, he can make great TV, but I'm already annoyed. And then I think, oh, the Bethany and Rachel interview, I think my takes on that is I feel more, I think I went harder on Bethany than Rachel. Like, I feel like Bethany kind of did her dirty with that interview. I still would like to hear more from Raquel, or sorry, Rachel, but I don't think we're going to get that. I wish she would have done that interview like a year from now, and maybe there would have been more. growth, but I don't know. Another thing that I was curious as to what your perspective was, I know that, like, I think it was mentioned in the Rachel and Bethany interview about how Vanderpump Rules was going

to be canceled after season 10, which is something that we kind of thought was the case while we were watching the season, especially after watching what was supposed to be the finale, the way they had Lisa Vanderpump giving her speech at the end. It felt really like they were trying to wrap things up. And then Ariana, I think it was on Sheena's podcast maybe, where she said that that wasn't the case. I'm curious what your takeaway was on that. I mean, I personally really think that season 10 was going to be the last because I believe even the huge, so take scandival out of it. The huge thing was supposed to be Rachel and like Swartz kissing, right?

But that already leaked, I believe, before the season even started. so like people were just kind of waiting to see how that played out. But like really if you look at that and then Sheena's wedding, there really wasn't much that happened season 10. So I can't imagine it would have been continuing if Scanderville didn't happen. I don't think Rachel or Ariana are really wrong with how they said it because I think Alex Baskin and his interview kind of the way he worded it. I think you could take it either way as far as like season 10 be the end or like

they were so lucky to get a season 10 after like the pandemic and everything so but personally I thought season 10 was going to be the last season if scandible had not happened yeah and it might even end up ultimately feeling like the canon last season if season 11 is as lackluster as I think a lot of people are kind of anticipating it it is it you know it's it's kind of like after a big like endorphin rush how you got your kind of blue Monday and I feel like we'll have a similar experience with the next season of Vanderpump Rules. But Vanderpubbub Rules could prove me wrong. I was wrong when I called it before. We did think season 10 was going to be boring, right? Yeah, we weren't even going to start covering it. But yeah, it ended up being a fantastic season. And I do think that, you know,

even if you take away the scandival, I still think that it was a fantastic season of of television in general. I think that the arc that we got for Rachel over the course of that season was really interesting and like engaging. And, you know, even more so given the scandival of it all. So I think it stands on its own as a fantastic piece of television and totally worthy of the Emmy nominations that it's getting. I really hope it lands those.

I do too. That would be awesome. Awesome. So let's get into our recaps. We're going to cover Real Housewives of Orange County and Real Housewives of New York. We're either of these more engaging for you. And which one would you like to talk about first? I'm cool.

Whatever. I think I was more engaged with Roney. But that may be just because, like I said, this was my first episode scene of Orange County. But I liked the Roney episode. Awesome. Yeah. Let's start with New York. I thought with both franchises, we were eating really good this week.

I really enjoyed both of these episodes. Roney especially, I thought it was a. great follow-up to what we saw last week with Erin and Abe's party. Do you want to let us know what your highlights were from this episode? Yeah. So I really, actually, I really enjoyed almost every scene. So I really liked Jessel and her mom talking at lunch. I thought that was a really sweet scene because I know Jessel was really nervous to talk to her mom, but her mom seemed very understanding. I liked when Jenna was doing like the casting for her lashes. She made a really interesting comment like, Sigh did about how like Jenna seems to be more open with

stranger than her friends. And I was like, yeah, that doesn't surprise me because y'all seem like you hate each other. Like that in scene, I don't like, I get this vibe that they just like, I don't know. I just don't think they like each other. And it's interesting because listening to podcast, Aaron, before the season premiere, talked a lot about how she considered Sai one of her best friends but then recently on a podcast she was like well I thought that

but the way that Sai talks to me about in her interviews you wouldn't think we were friends so it's just interesting and then I thought the end like the whole like group scene with the Christmas stuff was really interesting because again we have Sai who's always hungry but the food's never good enough

and then them kind of like taking digs at like Jenna bringing presents and then Aaron just leaving. I mean overall really every scene I thought was like pretty good this episode. Yeah, totally. Like you mentioned the comment about Aaron that Aaron made after watching the confessionals and seeing how Sy talked about it. I feel like that I'm getting the sense just watching this season. That's just how Aaron kind of operates. like whoever is the last person to say something negative about her that she has heard it's like oh i don't like you now and then someone else just says something and then she's like oh wait no now i

don't like you and she's just really taking her aim at whoever is the last person to say something negative about whatever she's doing just wackable things very yeah exactly um Dylan what were your highlights from from New York um I I really love Jenna's willingness to say the most fucking embarrassing things about herself is just whatever whatever many adorable qualities um so I you know we didn't get a ton of Jenna in that episode but I do love that and and as to her like being more willing to be open with strangers than like friends like yeah that that's a thing sometimes like sometimes it's easier to just like to to like unburden something really embarrassing at a person you're never going to see again

rather than to somebody you have a longstanding relationship with. Sometimes it just makes sense. I was glad to hear an Octo mom reference because I haven't heard one of those in like a decade, so I don't know, put a little smile on my face. I kind of like Brin in this

episode. I think that when you tell a joke, I think sometimes you just got to judge it by how your audience reacts, by how it lasts, by how And I thought like, like I said last time, Bryn's like very direct and obvious fake flirting with every male at her vicinity is like, isn't that hilarious on its own. And it wasn't necessarily that funny at Aaron's party. But the fact that Aaron got really pissed off at it, now it's hilarious. Yeah, totally.

I really love the scene that we got with Aaron and Abe where Abe kind of lets this out and like he realizes part way through that he's let the genie out of the bottle and that now this is a thing that Aaron is mad about and he's trying to like put it back and he's like well actually it was kind of funny and she's like no why do you think this is funny this is this is a porn and especially notable was when she was like Oh, what if our children heard? Like, think of the children. And then immediately after, she says something to the effect of like,

how was it funny when she was joking that you should be fucking around while she's got her kid on them? Like, you're really that concerned about your kid hearing? The children are literally like next to her. Like when she's talking. They're talking and they hear a sound and she's like, was that a child? Don't pretend you're upset that a child might have heard. somebody else saying something slightly flirtatiously. I mean, her kids were literally in the car when she called her husband that one episode and

asked about, yeah, that's right. Yeah, about fucking someone in the senator's office. So, like, I think these kids have heard some things. Yeah. Oh, another Jenna moment I liked was when she delivers a really backhanded compliment to Sy's outfit when she walks into the Reese making party. And she's like, you know, I just love somebody who's, just completely overdressed.

And because, you know, if everybody was always just like, you know, normal and perfect and like had good fashion sense, like, how much more boring would the world be? Really, really great work at giving a backheaded compliment. The Christmas party outfits were like fucking insane though. I mean, to their credit, I guess. Like, I don't know what size top ones. She looked like like if you like hacked away at, at, at, at the. the abominable snowman and revealed that he was made out of geodes or something.

And then Brin's dressed like the Philly fanatic and Jessel walks in dressed as gritty. It's just a mascot party. But really fun stuff. Yeah. I thought that when Aaron came in on that scene, the editors did such a fantastic job of capturing the energy. Like I felt all the air gets sucked out of the room. That's interesting came in. And it was like such a funny.

whirlwind because she like she came in and she's like I'm going to ruin this party and then she only got herself worked up and like stormed out it's like she barely made an impact yeah she storms out and it's I forgot who it was but somebody's like is anybody going to go after her or they're like nah sigh was like nah I'm good I thought it was I thought it was funny when Aaron was like she said she said something sarcastic and Aaron was like okay well thank you and Bryn was like thank you because Bryn was like, oh, this is my moment to get into this. And then Aaron was like, oh, no, I'm not talking to you. You did something horrendous.

She literally used the word horrendous. I was like, whoa. I do appreciate how Sai like really just digs or heels it and sticks up for herself and refuses to apologize. That was kind of charming to me. She maybe does have a tapeworm, though. I think her eating thing is. Yes. She needs to get her sugar checked or something.

I do miss Uba though. I kind of, I'm waiting for Uba to come back because I do miss her weirdo ethereal energy. We need that back in the mix. I think it was Jenna. It feels like it's been three weeks since I've seen Uber and it feels like longer to me.

Like we need her back. Yeah, yeah, we do. Yeah. Another thing I really loved about this scene was like when when Aaron left, she called her her sister and we got like that that call where she was like oh i told you she's fucking rude she's such a bitch like she's wearing sunglasses like honey you're not a celebrity like this girl's like digging so hard to try to like carve out a moment for herself she was doing it at

the party by like going up and like trying to scold them and then it's like doing it now it is so thirsty like erin has to put a leash on this woman she is oh yeah it's so funny at the party where they're just like chatting and Jesus up. It's like, you guys are arguing during their vows. I was like, no, we're not. Nobody's arguing. You just saw us talking with a camera and I said, wanted to barge it and get on camera.

Yeah, she obviously just saw them talking because they weren't even, I don't even remember what they were talking about was important, but she was like, oh, this is my moment. Yeah, totally. And then immediately after, like, Aaron's parents came up and was like trying to introduce themselves. It was the perfect moment for them to be like, oh, no, actually we were just.

scolded and completely make a fool of her sister. Dylan, did you have any other highlights from New York? I just want to say it is really interesting kind of how like since when they find out that Jenna's name isn't really Jenna. And it is weird how when you find out that like somebody used to have a different neighbor has a name, but like seems to change something even though it changes nothing.

Like a name is such an empty vessel, but it's so weird how we like fill it with meaning. And I just thought that was that was. that was kind of weird because I understand what they're saying but it's also it's like totally illogical but I understand what you're saying like um yeah jessel was like so shocked about it like she was just completely floored yeah I have a friend uh here where I live who is like French or at least I thought she was French like she's lived in France almost her whole life and her name's Chloe and then I just found out like this past week that she was born in Hamilton Ontario she moved away when she was like

three years old. But I found out that her name is Chloe, not Chloe. And now that I know that she's actually a Chloe and not a Chloe, I cannot look at her the same way. It just changed everything. That's amazing. I thought you were going to say like Red Deer or like Port McMurray or something like that. But Hamilton is like, for me, that's like very like intensely Anglophone Canadian city. Just I guess because it's like they call them. themselves the Pittsburgh of Canada, which is, which is, which is amazing because like, who even likes Pittsburgh? Like, it's just such a weird flex. So I guess that's for me why it's like such a, uh, it's such like an intensely Anglo-Canadian city that it's, it's just mind-breaking to

me that like a French person would come from Hamilton and be named Chloe. So I, I don't know. I just got me thinking about like how like a name is is absolutely nothing at all. Like it's just a straight up label, but you, your mind makes all these associations that you can help. see somebody from a different angle when you find out their names different. I was surprised to hear her name was Judith. I had no idea. And Judith is a kind of, I mean, I'll say it. It's a terrible name.

Like, it's an awful name. It doesn't have the same thing. Yeah, she doesn't give off a Judith vibe at least. I don't know. There's some badass Judas, like Judge Judy. She's, you know, that's. Are all Judy's Judas? Uh-huh.

Yes. I have my clue. I'll defer to your expertise. What else would be Judy? I mean, it could just be Judy on your births or do you have to get now? Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess it could. Or it could be Jude, maybe. Okay, we won't have another segment of Craig looks up information on the internet this episode.

That's my favorite part. Yeah, but I'm not done talking about this last final scene. I feel like it was so well put together. I really love the montage that we got where they're like also focused on putting together these reits. And you've got like a brin with a candy cane out of her hanging out of her mouth like a farmer with straw. I don't know. Like James Dean has a cigarette hanging out of his mouth and Rebel without a cause. I thought it was amazing.

I really liked that Bryn also refused to like when Jenna was coming in with like all the bags. She did not get up to help like at all. she was just like I'm I'm gonna have you do that and stay here. I think she kind of like stands up and hovers and then it's like yeah that's good. I'm good. Speaking of those gifts, like I thought that this like Jessel's reaction to this gift and how she went on her like thank you to her. I thought that that was like a really good move on her part. Like it just showed a lot of growth in terms of how she is developing her.

friendships and how she's playing the housewife game and i feel like sigh was being way rudder about the gift this time around oh yeah and jessel was you know in the haptons yeah jessel was being careful she was afraid that that jennett would start taking the decor and start making her wear it as lingerie totally uh dylan do you have any other highlights from new york uh no that about covers it i think but it was a fun episode i i i did enjoy it for sure. Yeah, I do want to talk a little bit about Gideon and get what your reaction to Brynn and Gideon. What a name. This guy, this motherfucker is named after a Bible at a hotel. You know what? Usually I hate British people, but I actually, I thought Gideon was kind of, was kind

of charming. I kind of liked him, actually. I loved Gideon. Yeah, I thought it was actually kind of a likable guy. I just like his like his like weird British jokes where, you know, Brin makes some jokes about like the price of eggs going up. And he's like, indeed. And pites of milk too. It's just like very, strikes me as very British humor. I did actually find him kind of charming.

It added more to Brin's characterization too. Having like one of the few things we know about her being that she's like walked out of multiple engagements doesn't sound like very interesting characterization on its own, but it's actually like helping us understand her a little bit more, I think. And so I do appreciate that. And I do like the way that she talks about like, you know, she clearly has a lot of fondness for this guy,

but like just felt like she just couldn't cross that bridge for like reasons that maybe even she doesn't quite understand. And that kind of feels kind of human and relatable too. So I kind of enjoy this subplot for that. Yeah. I thought that that sort of like inability to attach herself that we have seen her mention, at least in the context of being in multiple engagements

that she hasn't followed through with. When she talks about her childhood and how her, like her relationship with her parents who have been very detached and like abandoned her, like you kind of see a lot more of her characteristics and how she like, she, she's even said in a confessional, like, you know, if I, if I'm flirty and fun and cute enough, then maybe I'll be safe here. And that's kind of like a core motivation to how she seems.

to operate. And then to get this scene that we got with Gideon, I thought it was so compelling because I felt like she was so disarmed around him. It was like a new brin that we saw. I just thought that they had like such a really dynamic chemistry. And I watch a ton of Hallmark movie so I know about chemistry. But really, I did. And I don't know. Maybe it's just like he is just obviously very charming on screen. He's got like total Hugh Grant vibes. And yeah, and maybe it's also the cars, like those really hot cars being in the room, also adding to the heat level in that scene. But I just really appreciated this scene a lot. It was one of the standouts from this episode. I mean, it takes guts to also propose to someone that you're broken up with. So I give him props for that.

Oh, yeah. That's such a balsy move. when she's like clearly dating somebody else. Yeah, I know. I love when she was that she said the worst thing you have to do is call your boyfriend and tell them you're engaged to someone else. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing.

It was a successful proposal. It was it was not like, like, oh, this is this story of this creep that I dated that got so attached. They proposed to me when I was dating someone else. It was like, no, she actually said yes. Right. Let's move into Real Housewives of Orange County. Lindsay, what were your thoughts on this one? So like I said, I've only seen half of the first season of Orange County. So coming into this, things that stood out, I know a little bit about each person just from like recapping things in the podcast land,

but just kind of takeaways, I really like Emily. The, there were, two scenes that I really liked. One, the very end, where Shannon is like, what do you have that's fat free here? And then the waitress recommended a salad and she got a burger. And I was like, I feel that in my heart. And she was like, but no bread. And then Emily was like, I'm going to get a loaf of bread. And so I was like, that's like all I needed.

And then the FaceTime that Shannon and Emily had, that got. got heated and then like Emily was trying to like end it and like couldn't end it. Like again, not having watched any of this season, I was like, oh, I really enjoyed this. And then just yet, I think those are my two favorite scenes. I don't, and maybe I was just confused because it's like me coming into this episode, but I am very confused about Shannon and John's relationship. like if there's something if there's this huge scandalous secret or if it's just like as she says relationship problems that are normal but the other girls make it sound like it's not normal so that

was all confusing to me I don't know if that's been talked about like through this whole season but I was just like it was just interesting that they didn't go to her party because of all that so I wasn't sure if I was just lost and all of that yeah I feel like, you know, what this secret is that Shannon is hiding about her and John, I feel like it is about John's kid not liking Shannon. Yeah, she said, yeah. That was, yeah, that was the part that she seemed the most sensitive about and also some of the rumors that have kind of circulated around her this season have involved, you know, her not wanting to, are not spending the night over at John's and them not moving in together.

And I feel like all of that could be a symptom of, you know, her kid not, not liking her. And so, yeah, that's my guess as to what it is. But you're right. In this episode, it's really hard to gather what is actually going on because I think that John and Shannon to a degree are really trying to rewrite the narrative in this episode. It seems like they're really trying to be like, oh, yeah, it's like just normal. relationship things and like putting out like throwing out other examples and you know as as as

Gina said about how the information that Shannon brought up about her but right you know setting something else on fire in order to get people to look at that and not look over there I think she definitely did that with Gina but she was also doing that with whatever else she could you know set on fire yeah I get that vibe from them that they all are just they all dig up stuff about each other and just want to like, I guess kind of all the housewives do that. But just, I listen to Tamara a little bit on the podcast that she does with Teddy Mellon camp. And I'm just like, Tamara, I don't get any vibe that I could like trust you like at all.

And it's funny because she was barely in this episode. I feel like we only saw her at the party scene. And she, I did laugh when she was like. she made some kind of comment about like them not coming but then she was like but if this would happen to me i probably went up came either like she she but yeah i definitely don't get the i do not trust tamra um and then gina i i don't she didn't really stand out to me the ending part with her and jen's conversation about like the DUI and shannon seems to bring that up a lot um And then how she brought up her kids, Shannon brought up her kids maybe being taken away.

You know, they hadn't intervened. I was like, who like I kind of, I understand Gina getting upset about that. Again, I don't know much about like the DEY in that situation since I hadn't, haven't watched Orange County. But, and then Jen, she's new this year, right? Is this her first season? Yeah, this is her first season. Okay.

So yeah, I didn't She, I think, was in like a few scenes as well So I know there's a lot of drama with like her and Ryan And like her ex-husband I've been like keeping up a little bit on that But I really just I really enjoyed every scene with Emily in it I really like her and then Shannon

Kind of cracked me up this episode too Yeah, I think Shannon is just kind of naturally funny And Emily is really funny too but there's something very just comedic about the way that Shannon navigates situations and it's so messy. Yes. But like she's so like physical in the way that she like reacts to things and just there's a reason that she's been on the show for so long. And she's just she's constantly giving the camera something and, you know, even if it's not her intention to. Yeah.

She's a naturally hilarious person. just her gestures, her delivery is just always really funny. Yeah, her facial expressions are wild. I really, yeah, I enjoy her. I do think it was a really good episode for Emily, too. I thought starting out with, like, her, like, repping the Innocence Project, which is like an actual good cause, and it's not like,

you know, they all the only like causes these apart, but it's cool to have like an actual, like, very effective cause and it's not one that's like, oh, we're raising money for homeless, not toothless. people who can't afford silk bows to tie in their show pony's hair or something like just like and I thought her like apology to Shannon was really good like it was like we've seen tabred deliver something really over the top apologies this season but Emily's was like felt like very like sincere but also complete as like and and I buy it totally like I really thought

that Emily was like angry at Shannon because because she was looking out for Shannon because she wanted to like shake Shannon by the shoulders and make her realize that you're calling me and saying your relationship sucks when you're drunk. So stop defending it. Like yeah, realize that this is your truth. Like I thought it really came from a place of actually caring for Shannon rather than from a place of like, you know, having her own, having her own strategies or having it, you know, trying to play her own agenda. It seemed like she genuinely was like she was generally upset with Shannon because she cares for Shannon. Because she cares for Shannon. because she wants the best for her and thinks that Shannon is not, is not out for the best that she's settled, basically, and is trying to cover up for a relationship that she's not actually happy with. So I actually thought that Emily apologized well and came off as sincere. And I thought she came off looking good at this episode.

What other highlights did you have from Orange County, Dylan? That Jen has a daughter named Everly with like, E-I-G-H at the end. I think that's so cool when they, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, I want to name my kids. I don't have kids. If I did, I think I would, I would, I want to, like, it seems like a really fun game, like a puzzle to just, like, come up with, like, like, like, like, common names, but then just try to, like, misspell them in, like, the most confoluted way possible. That seems really fun. I feel like you get really into that.

And then her sons have names like, I don't know, like, like, like, like, like, like, dossinging. and Harrington and like those names that sound like the names of towns in Alaska or something also very cool. So that's all I wrote about Jen. So that she has cool names for her kids. And then half of my notes is just like send your noodles and like huge letters.

There's a guy they've said your noodles and he's like, hilarious. I like that. They got, they hired send your noodles to do this party and wear little tiny sombreros. This is a hilarious party. It was really funny.

Just there, you know, just grilling meat, telling the worst jokes ever. I do choose to believe the worst about John because he actually laughed when Sedyard Noodles held up a steak and said, the steaks are high. He loved that so much. Yeah. Very fast. Yeah, for sure. So, yeah, a terrible person for sure. but sedio noodles is awesome

I'd book it for my party and of course Tabra will like take the tequila gun as soon as she sees it just start fucking going to town just try to take somebody's eye out with tequila I'm surprised she wasn't strapped already and yeah she was going to put someone's eye out

and we saw on Vanderpump rules this season how that went for James when he got the water that he thought was tequila yeah I do feel for Shannon a lot going through this because I think she's had some vulnerable moments this season. It was, I mentioned before that one of my favorite moments was when she was like kind of tearfully sticking up for Jen's relationship from the perspective that like her relationship is going to end badly. But let her figure that out for herself because like she just wants her to have like a temporarily loving relationship even if it ends terribly. I feel for like Shannon's perspective and how like she wants to defend her relationship,

which doesn't sound like it's going very good, but she just wants to at least have this what she has now and kind of defend it. I do think she's being unreasonable to attack people who like mostly just seem to want the best for her, except for Heather. I don't think Heather wants the best for her. But Emily and to some extent, Gina, I think do want the best for her. So I don't think that I think that she's being unreasonable to throw them under the bus. for that and and tamera's just playing like all sides at once but tamer was great for that because

she's like totally open about it uh yeah like you mentioned lindsay like when she like she like doesn't even pretend that she's like uh like a moral actor like that will like has like principles that are like unflexible like she's she's totally open about the fact that she like just changes whoever side she's odd or like whatever she believes it based in the situation That's what I love her better, that she's chaotic and she's like, doesn't even pretend to be moral. She just like, she just does what she wants to do. Yeah, that's about it. But yeah, mostly I just love that that like bizarre fucking party that Shannon organized,

which is such a Shannon party, you know? It's so Shannon to like hire set your noodles. Where did you find set your noodles, Shannon? And was it truly just because it was National Taco Day? Like, that's what the party was for? I'm all for throwing parties, but I was like, it just seemed a lot for that. But I do stand senior noodles. We, I hope we see more of them this season.

I was hoping to actually watch National Taco Day is so I can mark it on my calendar because I'm totally down for National Puggeta Day. Totally. I was literally going to show up to this recording wearing a tiny sombrero because I had a tiny sombrero that came with like a bottle of hot sauce that I remember that I gave it to my friend who has a chihuahua and like, because I wanted them to wear the chihuahua

I wear a little tiny sombril. They never set me a photo. I think they probably just threw it in the garbage. So I should probably. And she's simply the worst. Yeah, I thought this was a fantastic episode too. I liked,

I think was Emily that mentioned something about like how Shannon tells people that John loves the limelight and that's a lot of the reason that he's with her. I totally get that vibe. We have seen like a history of very thirsty husbands on Orange County that like people that have been mostly with Vicky, like Brooks was like that and Steve was like that.

And I get the exact same vibe from John. So I like that that was called out on screen. But I thought that this had some really funny moments in the edit. There was a scene where I've been really really. hard on Jen this season because I think she's had a really bad season as a newbie housewife. But there's a very sweet scene with her and her adopted son where she's talking about like his birth mom. And then she says something like he wishes he had skin like his siblings, which is a very like he's reaching out by saying something like this. And her reaction is,

I would kill have skin like that. It's like such a tone deaf and like just went like right over her head. Like he's looking for a sense of belonging. And she's like, man, I wish I could get a tan like that. Just really you're missing, missing the point here, Jan. What he's actually trying to say. Yeah, exactly. Use your brain.

A spirit Halloween's going to open up up there. but there was another great scene where they we saw the innocence project and like doing like such valuable work and we got like Gina and Emily talking about how like it really puts all your problems into perspective when you meet these people and we get all these personal testimonials then immediately it cuts to Shannon being like three couples aren't coming to my taco party It's so worked up about the smallest thing. And I just really love the juxtaposition of those two scenes. It was amazing. So we heard in this episode that Heather sold her mansion for $55 million, which is a substantial price tag. I want to get your guys' thoughts, though, on the reason for, you know,

moving into the L.A. apartment. Does it really make sense for her to move to L.A. just like in case she gets a last minute call to be on some sort of acting gig. It doesn't seem to track with me, but I mean, what the fuck do I know about the acting industry at L.A.? But it does seem like a little suspicious that she'd be like, yeah, I'm going to move out here in case my career revitalizes somehow. Like you think you do that after you get the role, not like in anticipation of a role may be coming at some point.

Yeah, that seems a little confusing. to me. When I actually, I like, we wanded it because I was like, did they just say 55 million? I was like, I, that is observed. I've never heard that price before for house selling. I was like, maybe they said five, no, it was 55. But yeah, I'm sure there's probably other reasons. And then she even later said, like, their house, they signed an NDA and like can't disclose some things. I kind of got lost in that. So like, I don't understand. So their place has sold, but hasn't sold. And they're buying this apartment and they sign these papers, but they're not moving yet.

So I was like, I have some questions. It felt to me like she was trying to imply that someone famous had bought her mansion or something like that. I don't know if I buy it. Like, I don't feel like anyone's super famous is moving out to Orange County. I don't know a lot about the landscape and, you know, greater L.A. So, but it seems like Orange County is pretty removed from where anyone that is actively famous would want to be. I could see, you know, people that kind of used to be famous wanting to maybe move to Orange

County. But again, I really don't know. I live in Winnipeg. So that's about as far from L.A., both physically and culturally as you can get. Yeah, but I think that about covers it for me. guys any final thoughts i just want somebody to love me as much as gina loves denim why is that all her outfits is that is that how she's like trying to like project that she's like from new york i don't know yeah i mean she wears it well yeah at least she's got like a little

bit of an identity in what she's going for i think that's more than can be said about like a lot of the women in Orange County who just like default the ath leisure on on this show so yeah for sure did you see the new West Anderson movie by the way no I didn't there's like a cowboy guy named Montana and he just wears like head to toe denim all the time and I don't know you reminded me of Gina I did enjoy how Shannon was very upset with Emily the Jekyll and Hyde comment she very much much focused on that. And I thought that, like, she seemed very upset about that. But like you said, Dylan,

I did actually think Emily really meant, Emily seems to really care for Shannon as a friend. And so when she said, like, I'm sorry, and you could tell she was like, I'm sorry and I want to move on. Whereas I felt like when Heather and Shannon talked,

there doesn't seem to be much moving on from them. Yeah. Especially they showed. a scene and I was like I would love I need to go back and watch that season it was Heather saying something to Shannon about don't you ever like it was very intense I wish I remembered exactly what she said but something about like if you ever bring this up or say this I will do this and I was like oh because she didn't mention something about her threatening her and I was like what was all

this about so I was like I need to watch that season yeah I think that was a clip from well they showed two clips. One was from last season when Heather made her return and Shannon came back. And I think that that's the clip that you were talking about where she was like, you know, if you ever say something about my family. Yes. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, Shannon was just like really messy at the beginning of last. She's, I mean, she's always messy. She was just like being, being Shannon. And so yeah, it's last season was all right. Orange County. I wouldn't say it's like the best Orange County season, but I thought it had its moment. I really liked the two newbies from last season that didn't get a return. I was disappointed

that we got, you know, new Jen in place of old Dr. Jen and Noella. I thought they were two good additions, but they were not very well liked by the fan base. So I think that maybe had something to do with them not coming back. But yeah, it was kind of a middling season. Last season, the peak of last season was the very last scene that we got where there's this, they're like lip syncing to this song that was written called like, I do whatever I want. And it's just so brutal. They did this recording of it and they're all like pretending to play instruments. And it's amazing.

It's an earworm, but it's like also very terrible. I definitely recommend at least watching that part. I am very curious now. I will go check that out. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for doing this, Lindsay. Do you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, thank you so much for having me on.

You can find me on Instagram. My handle name is VanderPod Recaps. And then if you ever see on Reddit, the name Additional War and then some random numbers, that's also me. I didn't make up that name. I know I sound like a, I always say I sound like a, old white Republican man with that name, but that is not me. So, but yeah, you can find me on there. Awesome.

Dylan, want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, I'll keep popping the tires of my new limited podcast, which is out right now called The Devil You Don't. It's a four-part limited series about the New Jersey cryptid, known as the Jersey Devil, and also the creation of the modern world. we've got the first two parts out right now. Part one, a trumpet sounded out of the wilderness. We go through some weird old text from the 1600s.

Part two is called a Starby Spangled Pond and some silent recess. And it's mostly about the pine barons of New Jersey in the 1800s. And so on Friday, the third part we'll be coming out where we'll be talking about a very delightful week in 1909, filled with cryptid sightings. And then we'll transition into a very not delightful story about the history of American eugenics. So look forward to that fun stuff. Yeah, I listen to episode two, and it's again, it's fantastic. I highly recommend checking it out if you're even remotely interested in history,

American history, or cryptids. Yeah, just fantastic storytelling by you, Dylan. Thank you. Yeah, I love it. I've been recommending it to everyone. What's it called again? It's called the devil you don't. Okay, cool.

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