Oscars Outsider - Socratic Dialogue w/ Tyler Penner (RHONJ S13E07, VPR S10E07)

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

The stars align in this weeks episode of Bravo Outsider as Comedian and host of the Prairie Dumpster podcast, Tyler Penner, joins the pool party to give his take on this weeks episodes of Vanderpump Rules and Real Housewives of New Jersey (RHONJ S13E07, VPR S10E07) Find Dylan on substack at https://dylanferguson.substack.com/ [https://dylanferguson.substack.com/] Find Tyler Penner on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/tylerpennercomedy] Find Prairie Dumpster on Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/0CqTet6rrrhTzgAnPMGzVA] Music by FASSounds [https://pixabay.com/users/fassounds-3433550/?utm_source=link-attribution&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=music&utm_content=112194] from Pixabay [https://pixabay.com//?utm_source=link-attribution&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=music&utm_content=112194]

Hello Chihuahua followers and welcome to the Bravo Outsider Podcast. You're home for everything reality TV icon Raquel Levese related. I'm your host Craig Midwinter and with me as always bringing the mistress Bimbo vibes is my co-host Dylan Ferguson. Always, always. Happy to yap it up with my fellow Chihuahua followers out there. Yeah, yo Kiro Tecobel, you know what I mean? Each week here on the Bravo Outsider podcast, we bring on someone who doesn't follow Bravo,

make them watch the shows and get their outsiders take. We're going to try something a little different here today. Make our guests read a tagline, Housewives style to introduce themselves. This week's outsider is stand-up comedian and host of the very funny Prairie Dumpster podcast. Tyler Penner. If you come for me, I will send Jesus after you.

Thank you. Oh, amazing. Mary from season two. You research this. Nice. Yeah, real housewives of Salt Lake City. Yeah, and I was telling Craig before we started, like, a lot of these, a few of those taglines are like, like, they're hilarious, but some of them are actually profound. Like, there's one, she says, like, karma's a bitch, so I don't have to be one.

And I was like, oh, shit, that's great. I'm getting this tattoo. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Live, laugh, love, fuck that. No, we're doing this. So, Tyler, when we asked you to join us, you kind of went above and beyond in terms of your preparation. And you caught up on the entire season of Vanderpump rules. Is that right? That's right. And at first I was like, yeah, I'll skim through it. I did not skim.

From like minute 20 on episode one, I'm like, oh, no, no, we can watch this thoroughly and throughout. It's a, dude, it's great television. I don't, I don't know why, but it's like the best show ever. It really is. Yeah, it is very engaging. Yeah. So what, what kind of inspired you to do like hours worth of prep work for this when on your own podcast you famously devote no time to preparing?

Yeah. Well, I, um, it's just the material was that good. You know, it, like, um, the characters on Banderpump are good. instantly there was beef like in episode one but like I was kind of getting like you know the battle between James and Raquel and then you got Lala who's like

what's her deal she's just trying to get laid this season and and then you've got Banderpump so I didn't know any of the characters but I'm like man this is I got hooked I don't know what to tell you man Bander Pump done hooked me you caught me

it rules it rules Yeah. Before we get into it, do you want to just maybe get into a bit of your background with reality TV? What sort of reality TV you've consumed in the past? Yeah, big time. Well, first off, unlike anyone, Survivor Season 1, I was hooked on that. And that's like as a teenager. But I've always loved great trash television.

I don't know if that's an acceptable term. but like I used to watch bad girls club at home alone by myself. And it was just the catty show, but I was like, I can't stop watching this drama. And now with this is, I don't even know that one. Oh, Bad Girls Club.

Yeah, check it out. Yeah, what is that? That's like they just, it's like they just stuck a bunch of girls in a house and shit went crazy. It was great. Perfect. Yeah, I've had that recommended to me before. Yeah, it is quite catty.

And Big Brother, all those fights, I just watched Big Brother fight compilations on YouTube sometimes when I'm eating my hungry man dinners. And I love it. So, like, even with this, it's like, from an outsider, I like that, like, it's reality TV. But some of the situations are clearly scripted. The producers are trying to maximize drama, you know. And so they're like, you know, there'll be a situation. They'll be like, I can't believe, you know, James is at this party right now. It's like, how can you not believe that?

The producers told them to go. Yeah. You know? So I love, you know, watching this, you know, watching this, you know, reality television, but also imagining what's going on behind the scenes. And, man, Vanderpump, it hits all the notes. It's incredible. Yeah, this has actually been an incredible season.

I had like the worst take on, I think like episode one where I was like, oh, I'm not looking forward to this season of Vanderpom. You know, I think summer house this season is going to be better. But like at that point, yeah, you kind of had a point. Like it started off kind of slow. I guess that wasn't your experience, Tyler, but I thought this season compared to historical seasons was like, took a little bit to get off the ground. Sure.

Yeah. And especially given the context we kind of had at the. the time. I think that like I wasn't completely out of line thinking that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they must have I mean, they must have been thinking, you know, along your lines because they released a midseason trailer that was just a banger. And it's weird that they did that if, you know, they wouldn't necessarily have to do that, I guess, if, uh, if the season was drawing in past fan. But I'm not a past fan. So I was an outsider. So I was just like, whoa, you know, but, uh, I guess. Uh, I guess everyone else who was familiar with Vanderpump was like, all right, let's go here.

Yeah, well, the mid-season trailer is something that they typically do on most of their shows. So it's something that we were expecting to see. But this trailer in particular that dropped this week was, like you said, it was a banger. It was unbelievable. And it seemed to contain clips that had been filmed post the Scandival. revelations. So fans just totally ate it up. Well, I was just going to ask, like, I kind of got the gist of the scandible, scandible, you know, whatever that was. But it was all behind the scenes, right?

Like TMZ kind of caught wind of this first or was drama behind the scenes? So far, it's just been behind this scene so far. It hasn't leaked into the finished product yet. Okay, yeah. Yeah, it was all off camera. And they actually had like, the whole season filmed and mostly edited when it broke. The only exception was there is a reunion that happens at the end of every season where everyone gets together and talks. That hadn't been shot yet. That's actually taping today, like right now as we're doing this recording.

But when this all broke, the production company mobilized and started filming on them right away in hopes to like put together a couple episodes that they can tack on to the end of this season to capture it and lead into the into the reunion man i love the idea that we're sitting here talking about bander pump rules and right now in a studio in burbank somewhere they are just screaming at each other it's kind of weird yeah yeah it's kind of uh universal right now god's looking down on both of us and being like this is this is great oh yeah I wonder what your horoscope had to say about that. True.

Libra, moving into Pisces. I'm like, okay. Yeah, I'll tell you, my 12th house is in Aquarius as fuck right now. I know what I'm talking about. So, Tyler, do you want to just kind of give your first impressions of each of the characters on the main cast of Vanderpump Rules, or at least the ones that stood out to you? Yeah, sure. Well, first of all, I find Schwartz really likable.

I like, you know, he does. He seems pretty chill, pretty easygoing. But I also get that someone said that Schwartz is likable and all these people are fighting around Schwartz and he never gets to blame. And someone's like, someone's going to start taking a look at Schwartz. And I was just like, that's a good point. He might be a low level. He's like, hey, I didn't do anything wrong.

but he's kind of got his hands dipped in everything. And I'm like, yeah. So I think he might be a low-key villain coming up in later seasons if he hangs around. He might just turn full dark night. But I like him right now. I like James. I think you get a little bit, I think you get a little bit, if I could just jump at here of like why Schwartz is like kind of a charming, likable guy. and also why he's like kind of just a frustrating

a guy too. And you could understand it'd be very frustrating to Katie who was married to him for a long time. You get that bold in this episode. You know, you have him talking to Lisa and being like, you know, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

I read that in a YouTube comment and I really struck a chord. You know, like his like kind of like self-effacing dorkiness is sort of charming. But then you see him like trying to comfort Katie at the end when she's pissed off. And he's like,

oh, Bubba, you look cute. and it's just like, like, dude, like this is not going to work. Like, this is just like, you're just completely worthless at this moment. And, and yeah, he could be a villain just in the sense that he could, I feel like he can enable anything because he just like doesn't have any, like, strong convictions whatsoever. Like when he goes, yeah, yeah, that's bad. That was, yeah, that was totally, I totally recognize that. That was such a Hail Mary play. He's like, oh, you look cute.

Like, it was just like, yeah, you're not. All right. Good chance. Just like spraying a little squirt bottle out of raging fire. Like, yeah, you look cute. Like, okay, wow, that's going to do something. And to his credit, though, I will say, like, even with the, like, Katie seems wholly unreasonable on a number of fronts. Like, you know, her in, in Schwartz, they're divorced, but she's just, and I understand the thing with Rick Keller or whatever. But it's like, hey, babe, move on. Like, you know, you divorced him. Why are you? I don't know. I just think that Schwartz should be at this point with his status and everything. He should be banging anything that moves. You know what I mean? And rubbing him. Yeah, you'd have to get a stick to work, though. That's true. He lost his mojo. That's right. Yeah. Well, there's been talking past episodes of like him not being an especially virulent guy. And I think that's actually kind of one of the reasons why they separated that. that Katie's strongly implied anyways,

that that's kind of a contributing factor. Interesting. Yeah. That he's like just not very sexual, I think. Hmm. You know, there's a point where like Lala's like complimenting her

and Katie's like, oh, man, I haven't had anybody compliment my tits and ass in years. And now you know why I'm divorced. Like I feel like that that's, that's part of it. Like Schwartz is just a little wishy-washy and I don't think he's like very sexual.

But, you know, he can make out with whoever he wants. right sure I like the part where you know where Sheena comes in she's like we got to clean up this dump of an apartment and it's like he just moved in there's like a couple of boxes there and he's like she's like no wonder you're no wonder you can't get your dick hard look at this place and I was like what do you we talk about sheena was one connected with the other some of the most you know you're all guys I know it's feng shui I'm gonna say anyone else

stand out to you on the cast. Oh, I love James. I really like the character of James. Yes. James is great. He's super entertaining. Yes. Validated. Because he's got to be, I mean, I don't really keep up with the Vanderpomps socials, but he's got to be enemy number one, eh? Like, people must hate James, I assume. He has been at times enemy number one for sure. I think there's a bit of a love, hate relationship with all these characters. characters honestly, but yeah, he has definitely at times been enemy number one. But he also has like a little bit of that Teflon element that Schwartz has. Like stuff doesn't really stick to him in the same way that it would to lots of other people. Yeah. That's, and you know, because I just like he, he's one of those characters that just, I think legitimately really doesn't care. Like he's just he's DJing, he's drinking, you know, and there are scenes with him crying and stuff. And,

But I just, he's just unapologetically, James. He's just walking around. He is sociopathic. That's why I love him. He's incredible. I think he's got like a great sense for like timing. He's just got like perfect little zingers in there where there was one moment when Ariana's like, I'm going, I'm walking away.

We're not doing the Tom attacks the girls today. And he's like, oh, we're not doing that today. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of funny. Yeah, he's great. And even, but I mean, he has a little, he has a little bit of a, like, I don't think him and Al,

I don't think anyone would think that him and Ali are going to make, you know, make it as a couple. Like it looks just so bad. It looks so forced. Allie doesn't really look into it. even James doesn't really look into it. So I don't know what's going on,

despite what the horror scopes and the tarot cards say. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like James is just going through the motions with that one, but I don't know. He seems like he's trying to sell it. Like he's giving her all these little kisses on the neck and stuff. But like you,

I don't buy it. Like I buy it as him like trying to like acquire a child bride. Like it doesn't seem like an authentic connection between two souls. Yeah, there's that one episode. Yeah. It almost seemed like it was like men. to piss Raquel off. Like she was brought in, moved in very quickly just to get under Raquel's skin.

Yeah, big time. And even Allie doesn't seems like wary of it. There's that one scene where Ali's trying out to dress and then she comes out and she's like, do you like it? And then James just goes, wear the pink shoes. And she's like, I know, I'm just doing the dress. And I'm like, okay, this doesn't seem promising. This is not. It doesn't seem warm.

James is great and as far as the girls go, you know, I'm not a big fan of Katie. I like Ariana. Ariana is not really in the thick of the drama, right? She's just kind of hanging back, trying to make sure everyone's okay. Yeah, not yet at least. Yeah, exactly.

Oh, yeah, that's right. It was a bad episode for Katie. I mean, Katie looked bad in this episode, worse than she normally does because she was just like straight up wrong with her stubbornness there, just refusing to budge from a reservation in Mexico as part of the same resort as the wedding that she is declining to go to.

Like, she looked bad at this episode because she was being so stubborn about that. And it was just like she was just obviously wrong. Like, there's no way you can spend that where she's right. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Like, and then she just. Yeah.

She was obviously petty. I don't know that I would say like she's wrong per se. She spent money for this hotel. She's wrong to keep the reservation. When after Sheena says that she, that she'll pay her for the reservation. And Arianna is like, what's your price? Like, and then she can't use money as an excuse anymore, right? Like, she has no more good excuse at that point.

Yeah. It just, it seems weird because she just also came off the episode where literally she's just been, uh, berating Schwartz and Raquel about making out. And Raquel's got our own problems. I'm not excusing Raquel, but at the same time, it's like, um, she's just had back to back episodes where literally she's leaving the bar kind of crying. And meanwhile, it's like, she's like, I don't want this. This is how it affects me.

I'm going to Mexico. And it's like, Katie, chill out. You know what I mean? Like, just chill out. I don't know. I don't know. I see Katie as a very sympathetic character this season, with the exception of last episode,

not this, like, most recent one, where she was engaging in a lot of the mean girl stuff. And she does that to a degree here. But for the most part, I have really, like, been surprised at how much her divorce journey has resonated with with me like it's something that it feels like authentic feelings i see her lashing out at people like sheena is like sheena is just a proxy for for schwartz she's getting mad at at sheena because she knows that she can make an impact with sheena whereas she's had years

of getting mad at schwartz and it just like bounces off of him he's just like well just just just made a rubber like yeah not going to fight back not going to break just a rubber man So, I mean, I think this is her, she's landing punches on who she can. And it happens to be Sheena. And sure, that's wrong. But, like, I don't know. I feel like she gets some leeway here to just be in her emotions and, you know, try to express her anger in some way. Like, it's not right, but it's understandable.

Yeah, I feel that for sure. I totally understand how she's going through. a tough time and she wants to like stand her ground. I still think she's objectively wrong to not see that point, but I feel for her like struggle, I guess. Yeah, emotional post-divorce struggle that she's going through right now. Absolutely. Yeah, I guess one thing I didn't really under,

because I'm coming in fresh, I don't know Katie or Schwartz's history, but at the same time, like, you know, they're at the club and, and, and, uh, when, that night that Raquel made out was Schwartz. It was a couple episodes ago. but um yeah you know and katie's just sitting there incensed and kind of watching over like a hawk and credits are shorts he's like i can't i can't do that to katy you know i can't it would feel weird at the same time i got to say i'm just over katy at this point i'm like shut up you're too harsh and this this this latest episode with the hotel with the mexico thing i'm like okay you're just

you're just entirely unreasonable and granted i don't know her history i don't know how she got to this point. But with this Mexico thing, I'm like, bro, like, just don't go. It feels like being stubborn on principle at this point. Yeah. This is how she got to this point. Like, she has since season one got this edit where it's like, oh, here's Katie being unreasonable and being stubborn and all this. She's just like this constant like numbing pain that is like part of the engine of Vanderpump rules in my opinion. And she has always taken the, the bitch at it like a champ and just carried on and will continue to just be this sort of numbing irritant that is constantly heightening the tension in situations and that's part of what has made this show

work for so long so kind of an odd case in terms of like character archetypes within reality TV but I think she is a really underrated factor in what makes the the show tick oh 100% and she is definitely going to go to sheena his wedding, get hammered, and she will ruin it. Book that. That's my prediction. I hope so. I certainly hope so. Oh, yeah. It's going to be great television. It's going to be incredible. Yeah. Yeah, we did get a flash forward, a rare flash forward two weeks from now when they show Christina Kelly and Katie just watching the wedding from their balcony when she's like, oh, we're not going to be there with binoculars and then cut to two weeks later. And there's,

sitting there watching the ceremony from the balcony. Oh, I didn't, I didn't read that as a flash forward. I didn't realize that. I thought they just had footage of her watching somebody else's wedding at another time. Yeah. And being like, this is something you do, Katie. Here's another time you did it. I didn't interpret that as a flash forward.

Right. That's another. The flashbacks in the show are incredible. A couple episodes ago, they had a flashback where someone, I think was Raquel, it was like, I never said that. and then it was a flashback to 67 seconds ago where she was saying the thing and it even had the captioned 67 seconds ago and I was like oh the editors are crushing this this show yeah well done um since we're into it any key scenes or any like highlights that really stood out to you from this most recent episode well um well first thing I will say that um um I'm starting to get over or starting to get a little tired of Schwartz and Tom's journey to open up this restaurant. They've had two massive parties in this restaurant.

It's looked fantastic each time. And I don't know what Greg's deal is, but they're just like, how are we going to open this? We're worried about the money. It's like, bro, it's ready. Just open it. Just get it done. Like, I'm not sure why. Which is what Lisa's perspective is.

Exactly. Even Lisa's like, let's go. And even these guys are like, we we have to balance between being perfect and like the money that we're spending. And I'm like, yeah, or whatever they read on YouTube that week. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But the teaser for the next week's episode is someone else is opening up a place or something? Sorry, I know there's a tangent.

Yeah, Katie and Ariana. Katie and Ariana are trying to open up a sandwich shop. So they are in the process of, um, finding a location hmm well either way I hope that it works out for them and I hope that they

get it done but also the tarot reading card scene was that really that it it was hilarious but it also solidified in me that James and Allie ain't gonna make it

because exactly like you said Dylan he's trying to oversell the relationship with the pecks and like pulling the hair Ali is so not into it And now that to find out that no judgment against astrology, but she's like heavy into it. So anytime she draws. That's what she wants to do as her career. Yeah, it was her aspiration.

Yeah, that's like I was really intrigued by this. Like is astrologer not something that you just do? Like that was her goal. If that's what she's going to do that? Doesn't she know that she's going to do that already? Is it not like, is it really an aspiration? Shouldn't she just be able to see it? if that's where she is in the few years.

She's waiting for the planets to be in the right spot. Okay. I can't see past Mercury. I don't know what's happening. Anyways. And probably this episode, out of the episodes I've seen so far, probably had my favorite walk-on character in The Dawn.

The Dawn that came in. Yeah, the Dawn. Who is incredible. He's just nothing, but he's all. Yeah. Walking innuendo. And, uh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great reviews for his sexual performance to. Big time. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, that's been her season arc this entire, earlier, her story arc this entire episode. Will Lala have an orgasm? And she did. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. This guy, like,

like, showed up with wearing sunglasses at, like was probably midnight or whatever time they got on. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, he was like really corny and everything he said, but that's a great match for Lola.

She's also really corny too. So it was like, all right, this is a perfect fit. Like you're both corny and corny. Great. Yeah. And it was next level of cornyness.

She's like, I don't know. You're making me nervous. And he's like, uh, can't be nervous for the service. And then they're all like, yeah,

just busted that off right away. Yeah. It's like he had that. holstered and it was ready with it. The dawn, you're the man. I'm going to start being you and I'll get arrested shortly thereafter.

Any other highlights from Vanderpump from you, Tyler? Well, I thought it was funny. Right off the top, James had a great point where Tom sells them on this whole guy's night they're going to have and then Raquel and

what's her face? Charlie. Charlie, yeah. They show up and James is like, this is not a guy's night. So again, I'm like, yeah, James, you're the man. I like you. But the whole pool party was fantastic.

And I don't know. I thought, I didn't know how done Lala and Raquel were, but probably my favorite line from the episode was Arianna asking the girl is like, so if I get a galaxy light, are you guys going to, you know,

give me a hard time about it? Yeah. And I was like, yes, because they were way too harsh on Raquel's Galaxy light last episode. It's like, it looks pretty. If it was Arianna, they would think it was cute if it was Ariana.

For sure. Lala used to sleep with a fucking baby bottle in her belt. She probably still does. And she's like, oh, you've got stars projected on your ceiling. fucking child. Like, come on, Lala. Yeah, and Lala was like, oh, no, we all loved it.

Like, we were embracing it. Yeah, I'm sure you. We got the editor clip of them just being such mean girls about it. Yeah, that was, that was great. The whole pool party was great. Yeah, I love the, uh, the entrance when, uh, when Katie first comes into that pool party. And Tom's like, oh, you smell like a pickle factor. jury like

and then plays it off like it's supposed to be a compliment but I like pickles Bubba yeah pickles smell good who doesn't like pickles and then Q later

how about you what uh sorry and then Q later he's like oh you look cute let's forget about that pickle comment yeah yeah

Dylan what were your highlights from this episode um yeah I still still most interested, as I have in this whole season, like the continued evolution of Raquel. And I like how we've got to this point where she's kind of doing that thing where like you have a sloppy, drunken night and it's like miserable and embarrassing.

But then like through telling it later, through turning it into a story, through that like alchemy, it becomes something that you're like kind of proud on and that you're proud of and that you build off of. And I like how she's kind of figuring out. how that works, how, like, being that, like, uh, sloppy girl who's down for everything is going to involve a lot of just like humiliation in the moment in the present tense, but then it can turn into like cool stories that can bolster your reputation later on when you've elchemized it into, like, you know, memories that you can recount of evil. So I thought that was pretty fun because she was like objectively having a terrible time the previous episode, just a god awful time.

You know, she had a full on panic attack at one point and everything. and but now she's like you know what I think I think I've leveled up and then like yeah which is kind of a cool line which she immediately follows with a dab because you know it's Raquel she just has to be awkward and cringe even when she says something slightly cool and but that's great and I like that paired with that bit in the pool party where you have Lala and Sheena discussing Raquel kind of like the two menthol that Raquel's had in terms of like the two girls who have been in a position of being kind of like, um, like single girl troublemakers when they were first like introduced to the show early on and have both in their own ways kind of taken Raquel under their wing kind of discussing whether their like little chick has turned out to be like evil or good. Which, you know, and she's still like, Raquel is still this completely awkward and not good at any of this.

but like now she's realizing how she can like build capital based on just having some drama had had happened around her. And I find that I find that really interesting. And then, you know, I am happy for Lala that she got to have her orgasm. That's great for her and for the show. If she's like going back to like old Lala, that's amazing. Like I hope that she's back and full form. Because if Rakel leveled up, she went from like level zero to one.

if Lala also leveled up thanks to the Don, she's like one of those old pinball tables where it just goes to all zeros because you've run out of space to keep score. Like in terms of like being somebody who can cause trouble and start fights and wind fights, she's at a very high level already. So yeah,

if it's going to be, yeah, it's going to be Raquel versus Lala. Yeah, Raquel's going to need a several more levels to be able to go toe to toe with her. And we get a bit of that in the episode too, when she tries to confront Lala.

And obviously it's just like not going to go well for her. What was that one thing Lola said to her? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she starts talking. And Lola's like, put a thought together. You can do it. It's like, yeah, this is what's going to happen every time you try to come for a Raquel. So, you know, good fucking luck to you.

Yeah, I actually noted it. It is interesting to me how like they are being positioned as like stacking up against each other. Like they're starting to stack up against each other because initially I think that it was supposed to be more of a like a predator versus prey scenario with Lala looking for an easy mark in Raquel and who she kind of like dominate but it's not working and here we were seeing like I felt like we were seeing Lala in a bit of a scared position here like she had to resort to a certain type of like personal attacks that is not something that we typically see like Lala likes to come from a position of being right and like having the the audience behind her back when

she's attacking or that's kind of how she likes to frame things and she had to abandon that in order to like strike at Raquel so it was pretty interesting to see her have to pivot against a you know a foe who doesn't necessarily seem imposing like Lala has slayed bigger beast than Raquel before. Yeah, no, you're right. And she's really good normally at, like you said, twisting the narrative to make it a lineup behind her. And often she has a reason to do so. Often she makes a good point. In her fight against Raquel, she's really grasping at straws like we discussed last episode with her extreme hypocrisy and like trying to pick that one comment as something beyond the pale. She's going up against a much weaker foe, but she's standing on really unsolic ground because she just doesn't have much to attack her with. at this point anyways. Yeah, 100%. And like, she's like also like, um,

I think she's still kind of shook by Raquel in her drunken, sloppy state or whatever saying that, you know, making that comment where she didn't have a man or something like that. And then, uh, you know, late at night, and Lala's like,

I can't right now. It's like, no, you actually can't because that caught you off guard. You didn't think Raquel had the balls to actually come out and say that. And then Lala was shook after that. And, uh,

and this is going to be, I think that's the future major fight is going to be Lala and her young Padawan, Raquel, finally doing battle with each other you know. Yeah. But I have an outsider, I don't know.

There might be more behind the scenes. Am I missing something? Like, is there, I mean, I know like Lala slept with James and that's still a thing. But have they had massive blowups in previous seasons? Lala and Raquel have had like come toe to toe. a few times before.

And typically it goes kind of as you might have predicted it would have initially given their two personalities. Lala really just dominating the conversation and making Raquel look foolish. Yeah. So there is like there is a bit of a history there. It's interesting to see that now Raquel, who doesn't have James to stand up for her or provide any sort of backup like right now is the time where she is feeling the need to stand up for herself she's got um potentially less of a you know uh social position within within the group than

she would have when she's with james but uh so seeing her you know go on the offense of a little bit is is really interesting yeah she's got kind of sheena in our camp for now but she disposition is far from settled. Like, you know, She's obviously close friends with everybody else, too. And, you know, she could, if something were to happen, Sheena could easily turn against Raquel and then she wouldn't have, like, a strong backer in the, like, OG group.

Yeah, she must be pretty close to- She is an agent of chaos, too. Yeah. She must be pretty close to just being, like, I mean, I know they wouldn't do that for the purposes of the show, but just being completely ostracized from the group. Because everyone's like, yeah, everyone's sick of Raquel shit. hit the fucking bricks you know so like but raquel's just walked around like la la la la i don't you know making out with schwartz making out with uh well who knows maybe tom you know yeah at the same time

stirring up trouble brings her more into the group because it brings her more into the show uh yeah because she the more she becomes intertwined in the narratives the more like reason she has to be there and the more she'll just by force of being there be like more of an established part of the group at least in terms of what we see on camera, I guess. In terms of like, it means that people need to film with her, right? Like it makes her a necessity. And so by causing conflict, like, she's required. Like, you're going to need to engage with her in order to forward your own personal storyline.

And I think her, like, social equity right now within the group is growing. Like, obviously we're seeing the beginnings of the, Sandoval affair. He's starting to like stand up for her and, uh, we got some scenes where our, we saw Tom Sandoval, uh, really angry, angrily standing up for her. So I think that her, her capital is building right now. Yeah. And like you say, we, we have, uh, we know more, uh, about like, why he would be so, uh, so vehement like standing up for her and so angry at, at Katie. Uh, and I also want to say, that Ariana, I think, comes off really well in this episode two.

It's easy to view her sympathetically, especially now that we know that, that Tom Sandival has been cheating on her. But even without that, she comes off as like a very level-headed one, both in the way that she kind of, as a friend, still immediately notices when this trip is being recounted to her. Like, you know, Katie, it kind of sounds like you're a big, a mean girl, actually. Like, you know, I'm your buddy, but it sounds like you, I know you can be, you can be a caddy, you can be mean, you can be bullish, and it sounds like that's what

you're doing there. I think she correctly analyzes that right away. And then when Tom Sandoval barges in and gets way too aggressive and up in Katie's face, even though, you know, that's her partner, she immediately is like, no, not standing for that. Like you're getting way too aggressive here. And that's not the first time Tom Sandoval, even though he obviously has other motives, as if, you know, since we know that he was in a relationship with Raquel at the time. But it's not the first time Sandville has, like, got up in Katie's face and gotten, like, kind of aggressive with her in the history of the show. So, again, credit to Ariana for what right away being like, not too much, not cool.

Like, not going to stand for that. So, like, she came off well. Yeah, Ariana was really trying to diffuse that situation. There was at one point where she was basically begging Lala to just stop with the mean girl shit. Yeah. Lala ain't having it. She's a natural born mean girl. Like she's really talented at it. She's great.

She goes for the throat and knows exactly what to say. And really even when Raquel's like, what are you talking about? Like at the pool party? She just instantly just like leans in and be like, what, what? You know what I mean? Like she's looking for a fight. Lala is great. Yeah.

She's fantastic. Yeah. Which is why I'm so happy if like old school Lala is bad because she was, she's made for this she's so good at it. Yeah. And she knows it too, which is why it's hilarious. It's like she walks into a room and immediately is trying to make mental note of what she can say to make each person cry.

She's got that like that natural bully's mind. Dylan, did you have any? Oh, go ahead. Oh, sorry. Sorry, there's a bit of a delay. No, there's something like really, as far as like a television viewer. perspective going, you know, obviously bullying is wrong, but bullying makes for fantastic television. It's really good. It's really fun to watch, especially not when it's a victim or anything,

but against Raquel, hell yeah, go after her. Attack, Lala, attack. And I love it. I'm all for it. I say, I say get them. Kids, bullying. Kind of cool, actually. Kind of cool. Just make sure it's on camera and you're getting a paycheck. Yeah. And everyone involved is getting a paycheck. Yeah, because no one's punching down for free. Yeah.

No one's punching down in these episodes. These are all lateral punches, you know, like as far as this friend group goes. So you don't have to feel really bad for anyone. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. There was some fan reaction this week, not to this episode, but to the whole like Scandival situation. There was a little bit of a pile on on Schwartz's new girlfriend, Joe. And it was kind of triggered by Katie, like, calling out Joe on a post of having known about Raquel, which, I mean, I have on this podcast, like, rode for Katie quite a bit because I think she's great in her function on the show.

But I did expect more of her as a reality TV professional to, like, put that target on someone that isn't getting paid to be a. target. I think, you know, you got to respect the rules of war a little bit. Sure. There's some implied like Geneva conventions. Yeah. It needs to be codified. There are civilians in these fights. Yeah, that's a civilian. She's not in the game. Yeah. Yeah. Dylan, any other highlights from Vanderpump? The only other thing I want to say is that I thought it was like just a funny little moment when they introduced the Aussie who was apparently the person that Raquel was actually making

out with at Coachella who they missedick for Tom Schwartz and it's a guy who looks kind of like Tom Schwartz but like three times hotter than him I thought that was a funny gig I don't know that made me laugh and again Schwartz was like really he was pretty charming about it where he's like this is you know this is what I would look like

by ambition and follow through and I was like oh yeah there you go Schwartz yeah yeah exactly yeah about it. Good episode though. Lots of fun. Yeah, for sure. Let's move on to Real Housewives of New Jersey. This, we started to see everyone arriving for the Lua party at the Jersey Shore. Dylan, what were your key moments in this episode of New Jersey? Well, the Lua party was amazing. Like, just a really

cool party. Yeah. And like when they've got the word Gorga, the family name spelled out in bread. That's so cool. That's so fun. Like this is the, this is why I like Jersey.

Like you don't get something like that in Beverly Hills, right? You, you won't have words spelled out and bread at a party in Beverly Hills. A party in Beverly Hills, they'll have it catered with like, like beach savice tostas or some shit. Yeah.

Like in an ice sculpture that says Gorge Yeah, yeah. If they, if like a gluten appeared at the party, they would call the cops and somehow a black person to get shot. Having that, having like American flag pizzas, there seemed to be like a bread lobster that I presume and hope was stuffed with something, maybe with lobster meat. There seemed to be a canoli bar going on. There was a cigar rolling station because Melissa doesn't know the difference between Cuba and Hawaii. it was all really cool. It just looked like a fun party. So that was fun. Then there was the Hawaiian dancers.

And it always kind of weirds me out when sometimes in these parties, they hire people to just basically be decoration. Like just, it's always just young woman, but not like strippers. They're just like there to like juggle fire. Or like there's one where somebody's like in a hamster ball, in a pool like walking around.

And that just feels really awkward to be. Awkward for the performers. I mean, hopefully they're well paid. I assume they are. And for the people there. just be like, hi, person who is there to be decoration. Like, that just sounds really awkward to me. That would put me, like, really ill at ease.

If there was, like, a person being decoration at a party I was attending and just, like, kind of occasionally make a guy contact, like, doing a thumbs up. Good job. Yeah. Yeah, there's always a really, like, wide berth around them for their, like, performance. Everyone is, like, almost this, like, invisible force field that keeps people at, like, a very far distance. Yeah, yeah, because they dance at one point.

but then they seem to just be there the rest of the time. There are occasionally shots where you just see them just kind of standing there. Like, hey, we are humid props. Yeah. But really, really fun party. I enjoyed Bill getting insanely drunk. Jennifer, too, was really drunk. But Bill was so drunk.

It was so funny. Like, not just the shots of him falling down, but just every little shot they'd cut away to his face of him, like, not being able to keep one eye open, just doing the old pirate. squint that like really wasted people do or just like sticking his tug out and stuff just looking like as wasted as anybody has ever been uh when he's walking out with date and Nate says something like come on Dr. Love let's get going and you just know there was a whole drunken conversation there yeah that we earned that nickname yeah yeah that we weren't privy to but just that whole kind of drunken conversation which probably felt like the most important thing in the world to bill at that moment, which he will not remember the next morning.

So a really fun party. Everybody just eating loads and loads of white bread, apparently, based on what's there and getting vodka poured directly into their mouths. That's how you party. That's really fun. That's really cool. So much better. Like, I'm an outsider, so I don't really, I don't really know it that well.

But I knew right off the top that I would probably, the people of New Jersey seem more real to me than the people of Vanderpump. Like Vanderpump, I thought Tom was like a super relatable guy. And then in last week's episode, he goes, like, I thought he was going to order a beer in a shot. And he's like, yeah, I'll get a beer in a froset. And then I'm like, I can't, you know, I can't relate to this. And everyone's eating saviche all the time.

There's just 30 different types of saviche. But in New Jersey, they're getting hammered and eating white bread. And I'm like, these are my people. Like, these are. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And that was just that was just really fun. In that house, which was on boardwalk, right? And are they in Atlantic City? They're on the Jersey shore. Because if they've got a house on boardwalk in Atlantic City, that's like amazing real estate. You know how much that costs? That's $400 for the title deed. But then the house is $200. They built three more and get a hotel. $2,000 for one night. That's no Balticavity bullshit.

Let me tell you. Yeah. Danielle was good again, and I'm happy to see Daniel getting drawn more into the conflict with Margaret and the fact that she might finally go toe to toe with Margaret would be pretty cool, I think. I hope to see that next episode.

It didn't have a surprise. basically it didn't happen at this party. We just get one moment of Danielle kind of like staring down Margaret across the room and giving her the whole like Morpheus stop trying to hit me and hit me come here, hand gesture. This is a really cool, cool thing to do. Um, um, uh, yeah, that's, that's interesting that you bring that up because I feel like that is kind of the, um, one of the conflicts, the one of the marquee conflicts that I'm hoping to see. see this season on New Jersey. And I feel like Danielle is maybe concerned that she does not yet have enough

ammo on Margaret in order to, you know, take her shot. Like Margaret is even someone that she's effectively been warned, like, don't miss if you're going to take a shot at Margaret. Like you want to be on her team or because she's a lethal enemy. Right. Because she has an arsenal. Yeah. which obviously she objects to, but she clearly does.

She has information at everybody and a great move by the editors when they're sitting around with Margaret. And I think Jackie says like, oh, something about Danielle's story. I just feel like there's something that she doesn't want us to know. And they show a shot of Margaret just like her ears perk up. Like, oh, here we go. I see my angle now. Here's the dirt I have to dig up. Let's go.

that was a great little edited there. It almost it almost feels like fishing on on Danielle's part. Like she's going to just put this out as bait and then try to reel people, real in. Yeah, because if the conflict happens now, Margaret's going to be ill-equipped because she doesn't know, she doesn't have the dirt yet, right? Like if Daniel's not telling the whole story, Margaret doesn't have the whole story yet. So she can't like hold that over her head. So it would probably be into Daniel's advantage to like go in now before Margaret can put some armory against her in the arsenal. But but yeah, lots of fun, lots of fun.

Oh, it's speaking of Bill drunk, I just wanted to say another thing about Bill drunk, my favorite part about the whole episode, when they're pouring vodka in his mouth. And Melissa runs up to him and goes, spit it out, spit it out. Like she's talking to a dog that's eating garbage. That was so funny. Yeah, good stuff. Good times. Yeah. One of the things that stood out to me at this pool party was I think that Teresa did a really

great job of diffusing the narrative that was building up about her warning Rachel and Danielle about Margaret. it like just going in there like a real pro and being like no i didn't i didn't say anything bad that's that's a compliment and it is like she was saying like you want to be her friend you don't want to be her enemy yeah that's her fucking tagline at the start of the show it's basically the same thing what's your tagline again it's something like i'm a good friend and a lethal enemy yeah she's basically announcing herself by a phrase that's almost identical to the ones she's pretending to take a fence over and i i i thought it was like expert housewife ship of Teresa to immediately like put the spotlight on Rachel being like,

are you trying to cause a problem here? Like really nip it in the in the bud and like flex her position of power as like an OG Jersey housewife. Totally. Like look, I'm watching you. Yeah, totally. Because Rachel says things in the confessional like, oh, you know, I'm ready for a fight. I don't back down. I don't believe her.

Like, I don't believe her. Like. And we, we even. see her response in previous episodes where like Jen like bashes her her nose job it like really cut to the core like she's not this like hard hard ass that she's projecting herself as in these confessionals no no not at all like and she her she's not as confident about her position as like the way Danielle is who is going to like despite being a newcomer it seems totally ready to fight uh Rachel I think is not ready to fight so you're right it's a good idea and I'll put Rachel on

the spot and just like let her kind of wilt in the spotlight because that's probably what she's going to do. Yeah. Sorry, I don't have a pun to add. That's pretty good. But like the only thing I noticed as a complete outsider because like I got into Vanderpompe. I didn't really get in Dallas Wides in New Jersey. The editing is so rapid fire.

It's so busy. I was telling you guys before. It's like a salvia trip to anyone who's not familiar with the show. because the show is just, just high-speed Guido's coming at you. I don't know if that term's acceptable or not, but it is just hardcore in your face. And it's just,

it's like going through Jersey hyperspace. It's just like, holy shit, there's a lot of stuff going on here, and I can barely handle it, but they're all hammered, and this is great. Yeah. Yeah.

I think high-speed guidos was the working title of that, Sylvester Stallone, a Drake racing movie? Edit that out if it's a slur, I don't know. I don't think so. What was your take on the discussion surrounding Teresa not inviting Melissa's family and Louis eventually going to try to find Melissa's mom to invite her? well the thing is Teresa now that she's finally divulged it has a good reason for for not inviting her like when she oh for sure yeah yeah when she breaks it down about how they've been like dragging her through the mud on social media she actually has a good reason so she actually has a point like she's been kind of hedging up until now about like almost acting like as an oversight or something but now she actually you know says i've got a reason and it's a good reason uh so i think she's justified in doing that uh it's not like a close it's not even a family member like it's like it's like it's it's not some

that I mean, I guess obviously there's those Italian rules as they keep like underlying Italian families have different rules than than not Italian families do. So I mean, sure, maybe it is beyond the pale for them. I don't know what the rules are. I don't have the rulebook. But she seems justified. And as far as Louis's reaction, it's just another instance of him like at the guy's night where he's not really standing up for Teresa. he's not really like saying well you know she has a point she gets to make these decisions no he's just kind of capitulating it being like oh you think she should be here yeah maybe she should you know i'll go invite her without teresa's permission or like kind of like puppy up that teresa and get her her concession like he's not really uh taking her side here where i think he could be like more team teresa uh in these situations i think he's being too wishy-washy yeah i think we have been seeing louis try to play the the middle all season like i think when he was introduced last season everyone got the ick off of him and uh he's responding to that by trying to play this this moderate and it just it doesn't really suit him well he doesn't know how to do it and we're finally starting to see like a crack in that where he just that's not his

character to really, you know, be that guy. It feels very forced. So, um, we're seeing him make, you know, bad choices that. Yeah. He's trying to be reasonable, but it's coming off more like spineless. Yeah. Because in these situations, he should be taking Teresa's side because she's not being ridiculous in my opinion. Yeah. No, she seems like that's perfectly rational. Yeah. Um, speaking of Louie, uh, I don't know if you caught the, teaser for next week's episode. Oh yeah. We got a really weird clip where he says that he sleeps in Teresa's dad dad's pajamas in order to like make them feel loving. Yeah. I can wait to see the context for that conversation because in the little clip we get he seems to be dropping that in as like proof to Joe like

that I don't know that that Joe's not there for the kids or something. I don't know. Like he seems like he's trying to make a point. He's trying to make an attack. Like, it's just like a, it's a Hall of Fame weird flex to be like, yeah, well, you know what? I sleep in their, their dead grandpa's pajamas. What do you think of that? No one wants you to do that. Yeah.

It's funny because like, like the grandparents in Jersey are like such staples up until when they, when they died. It's those are like characters that the audience has a real. connection to. So to hear that, it's almost like, you can, you can easily put yourself in Teresa or the girl's position hearing that. It's like, he might as well be saying like he sleeps in his skin. Like, it was really, really gross. You know, one thing I thought was Craig's going to be excited about that because I know you've been looking for a tangible reason to hate Louis. I know. You've said so as much before. I get it. I get it. He's off putting. But you want like a good concrete reason to like think that he's a creep and it's like it looks like we're going to get a solid

one delivered to us yeah no but but look like i i i don't mind like despising people on tv and i want to keep them on there i want a reason to like i really want something fueling it i don't want you to be this like oh i'm like the good guy wishy-washy and just like be an irritant give me something to hate yeah yeah if it's just off vibes it's hard to stand behind yeah yeah exactly and it's It just doesn't make for good television if you're just like, please everybody like me. It's like, no, lean into what makes you suck and really get people to hate you. And now I like you because I hate you so much.

Like, yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's really interesting that, you know, he is not seeming to want this like villain villain arc. And, you know, maybe he's got good reason for that. Like, I think, Teresa doesn't usually get a strong villain edit, so it might be difficult to be, you know, the partner of someone that has usually a lot more of a, you know, a hero presentation.

So maybe that's what's kind of driving it. Maybe there's some like production that is steering it, but all in all, it's just, it's not hitting with me. It's kind of crazy that once, I mean, again, just from an outsider perspective, but like, really, you really are putting your entire personality and reputation on this show in the hands of the editors and in the hands of the producers. They can really turn you into anything. Like, if there was a camera crew filming me just throughout the day,

they could make me look like a hero, like a loser, like a villain. They could do anything they want, you know? And so it is crazy that when you sign up for this reality TV, you're like, all right, make me into whatever you want. and some people know their role, but I think there's at least a few people who do whatever reality TV show it is, who have no sense of,

they're just like, all right, I'll just be myself. But they don't understand that throughout the day, you're going to say things that can make you look like, you know, a piece of shit to make you look like, you know, fucking mother Teresa. And it's the editors make who you are. So it's kind of scary that. I don't think some people realize

that. Yeah, I think, yeah, the editors and the producers really have such a huge say in driving, you know, what your character is. And the really good, uh, reality TV stars will lean into it and embrace it and, you know, kind of get that, that archetype's intuition. And I think that that kind of brings us back to Raquel, because I think she is in at a crossroads now, off camera as to how she proceeds on this show in the future because she has not been a villain up until now and she is in a prime position to step into, you know, continuing to be an iconic TV villain. Is that something that she's going to want to be able to do or want to do and be able to do? I guess that remains to be seen.

Yeah. If I'm on a reality TV show, I'm getting to know all the editors. I'm going to memorize their birthdays. I'm going to know what kind of wines they like. I'm going to know what kind of snacks they like. I'm going to get to know if they like can jobs or blowjobs. I'm going to do whatever it takes to make sure they're all team Dylan. Big time.

I mean, I don't think I would mind being a villain as long as, you know, I had a good handler that like a producer handler that would be able to drive me to be that person. yeah totally it would be um i wouldn't mind being the villain either but uh but with um i think rakel was just uh i don't know what she was like in previous seasons but they've slowly been doing a great job at making her kind of turn the piece of shit and you know coming to her own i guess lala had done that in the past or something but i mean from again outsider's perspective them. I do not like Raquel. I don't think, and it's, I like her as a, as a part of the show, because she's just stirring shit up on a record level. But at the same time, like, I am feeling

the hate for her that I think I'm supposed to feel. So they're doing a great job with Raquel. You're supposed to feel it for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'm actually feeling like a lot of sympathy watching Raquel. Um, and maybe I'm a bit of, uh, an anomaly. that because definitely the overwhelming perspective is you know we need to we need to hate her and like we need to really embrace the bullying of Raquel this season but it is like kind of tough to watch her

especially not this most recent episode but the episode before where you know she thought she was doing what she was supposed to and she's like getting whiplash and so I am excited I am excited to see this turnaround, the level up of Raquel Levesse and see if, you know, that is going to have her step into this, this villain that she is being framed as off of camera. Yeah. As I've said in past episodes, I have a lot of sympathy for Raquel mostly because I feel bad for her, because I feel she's ill-equipped for the situations that she's being

thrown into. You know, I've made that case in previous episodes. I totally get why everybody's being off put by her. And, but, uh, but I also at the same time have a lot of sympathy for the, the tough situation she's in. And I think that also comes through in the edit. I think both comes through in the edit. It's, uh, you know what?

They do a good job with the show. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. There's, you know, that's, that's the thing about reality TV that I find so interesting. Like these characters are so multidimensional. They're people that you feel bad for and simultaneously hate.

And that's, that's really tough to do. Yeah. And Vanderprop's great for that. Everybody here has done shitty things. Most of the people in the cast have done like multiple shitty things per season going back 10 seasons. You still like them. They're they're fun people.

Sometimes you even like empathize with that. Like it's great. They're all terrible and they're all lovable. Yeah. Even through it like in each argument like I'm doing a ping pong thing where I'm like, oh, she's got a point. Oh, she's got a point. Oh, good points. of you and it's just, uh, that's, that's a good dialogue. Yeah. I'm like everybody's right,

everybody's wrong. Keep fighting because this is great. Yeah. Um, anyone have any final thoughts on either of the shows that we talked about today? I think we covered it on my end. Yeah, uh, mine too, other than, um, yeah, I'm stoked to see this restaurant open for fucks. sakes, just open the thing. I was hoping that they were, I was hoping that they would, um, can, uh, Greg, because I don't, I know he's like the, uh, the, the old vet who comes in there and calls it like it is. But sometimes I'm just like, uh, you know, shut up already. Let's just open this. Yeah, I'll admit I'm having a bit of like flashbacks to Tom Tom's opening, the previous restaurant they have, which took like two seasons to open and every time they brought it up, I was just like,

get to the drama. Who cares about you. fucking restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully it's not as dragged out as the top-dub opening was. Oh, there was one note on New Jersey that I just saw here that I wanted clarification on. Did you catch what Jen was saying, like the Turkish thing about sticking a finger in the butt? Oh, no.

She comes up with some Turkish term for sticking a finger in the butt. But I think we don't get the context of when you would do that. Like, is it a gag? Is it a sex act? I feel like the greater context was unclear. And maybe we don't get that because she didn't provide it because she was very drunk at that point. So she might have just started talking about it unprompted. Yeah, she was dancing around like singing love is love, baby.

Love is love. So great. Wearing her fucking Scheherazade costume, smoking a cigar. Great episode for Jed. That was cool. But yeah, I don't know where that came from at all. And then she's like, oh, just got to go stick a figure up my husband's butt. And then that's that.

That's the end of that scene. All right. Well, thank you for joining us today. Tyler, do you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, for sure. Instagram, at Tyler Pinter Comedy. I'm also hosting the Prairie Dumpster podcast. You can find it on Spotify and on SoundCloud if you go to it.

Follow me on Instagram. And, dude, thanks for having me on. I am going to keep watching Banderpump rules in perpetuity now. I am hooked on this show. Awesome. And you got me. You got a customer. Yeah, definitely.

You got to go watch the early seasons because it's fantastic. Yeah. You got to score another line on the wall, Craig. I know you're keeping track of who you hooked. Dylan, want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, you could find a back catalog of a podcast. episodes. It's called Mind Over Splatter about horror movies and related things. And you can find me Dylan Ferguson on Substack talking about movies. All right. Well, that has been the Bravo Outsider for

this week. We'll catch you next week. Until then, keep it real.