Oscars Outsider - The Center of the Galaxy w/ Jared Story (VPR S10E10, RHONJ S13E10)

Episode Date: April 15, 2023

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Bravo Outsider. I'm your host Craig Midwinter. With me as always is my co-host Dylan Ferguson. How's it going this week? Doing just great. We're rock and roll, baby. Let's go. We are rock and roll.

We're anti-establishment here. Each week we bring on an outsider, someone who doesn't follow the Bravo universe to make them watch the episodes and get their take. This week we've got Jared's story. Blood may be thicker than water, but it's harder to clean when it spills. It's menacing. Very good.

Yeah, that's a very menacing quote from Teresa Judice this season. We rated those at one point, I think, with Tim Gray, right? Was that the one we like the best? I think so. There's also Jennifer Aden's was like, karma's a bitch. Start barking. Oh, yeah. Awesome. We're super glad to have you on the show, Jared. We usually start out kind of like getting people's backgrounds with reality TV, but you've got a journalism background and you've actually worked as like an arts and culture reporter, right?

Yeah, I have. Yeah. So do you think that having like professional experience consuming art through like a critical lens came in handy while watching these shows at all? I don't know. I don't know because this is not exactly the type of art I usually would criticize. Right. So maybe I came in a little too hot off the start. I was highly critical. I don't usually watch these kinds of shows. But I kind of, not going to lie, I kind of got into the second. Because it's a different pace than the stuff I normally watch. It's like, who's this person? Who's this person? I had a hard time keeping up for a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of look the same. That's a good point we get a lot from newcomers on the show. Yeah. Yeah, so we're going to be talking about Vanderpump Rules and Real Hosts in New Jersey. We'll start with Reel host, or we'll start with Vanderpumbril's actually. Sure. What was kind of your first impressions of each of the cast members,

who stood out to you the most? Okay, I'm probably going to mess up some names, but, well, because this episode started with the makeout, right? Yeah, so Vanderbent Brul's episode 10 picks up immediately where episode nine leaves off with Katie or Raquel and Tom Schwartz. They had their little kiss by the pool. Yeah, Tom Schwartz is pretty awkward. He's probably the most awkward person, I think.

He seems to have a lot of stuff going for him, but he can't quite get it together. I think a serious competition in the awkward front was the person he was kissing. Yes, yes. She seems like she's a little like, you know. she often creates problems for people. Like she kind of had that vibe, like kind of lurking in the back and then she's going to sleep with your boyfriend kind of thing. Yeah. Well, that's pretty much bang on what like has happened off camera this season.

Right. And on camera too. So. Yeah. Ali, this is. No, Ali. Wala. She's.

Oh, yeah. She's kind of, she's very controlled. Like she gets what she wants. You can tell pretty much all of the time. Yeah. Yeah. She has a very like domineering personality that at least that she like likes to project. It comes off a bit as like fronting to me quite a bit.

But that's definitely the persona that she likes to communicate. Yeah, she kind of scares me. I'm not going to lie. Yeah. I mean, I mean, those are the, the, the, the, couple characters that stuck out the most i also think that katie and um her friend who's katy's christina christina yeah like you got to say both names it's like tom's twaard said that at one point and it's like yeah for some reason even though she's the only christina on the show you got to call her

christina kelly i this is the first time watching it but i feel like she's a person who's pretty good at picking out everybody else's problems but can't see her own and her friend is like her little pity parade. She's always there to have her back, but she's also like, you're doing this again. You're still talking about this guy seven months later or whatever it is. Yeah. That's why Christina Kelly is there. I think like Katie like checked her and probably an overhead.

She didn't pay extra for her. Just brought her for that reason. Yeah. She seems like a little bit of a, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a reverse punching bag. Like she's got, she just puts all of her problems on her. Yeah. Yeah, I, I really enjoyed the, the kind of parallel that we got from the earlier season, from Sheena's first wedding, where, you know, Christina Kelly was again in the peanut gallery

criticizing the wedding dress. This time she seemed to genuinely, or at least, like, kind of put it out there, like she was trying to genuinely, a pre-examination. appreciate what was going on. Probably because of all the, like, the flack that she got from, uh, from the first wedding. Oh, yeah.

People didn't like her reaction. Yeah, no. So her and Stasi, I guess like, I don't know, Sheena is a character that a lot of people, I don't know, kind of underappreciated in my opinion.

She isn't a very, like, well loved, but she works really hard on this show and she's constantly trying to stir stuff up. And we saw that in in these episodes or in this episode a little bit when Sheena called the room where in Lala's room early on in the episode to kind of let everyone know about the Schwartz and Raquel makeout. But during her first wedding, they were saying it looked like a like a slutty sweet 16 dress or something like that. Kinseniera. Yeah.

Kinsia. That's right. That'll look like a trashy Kinseniera dress. Which was really mean. She's grown so much since. Yeah. It appears she's grown a lot since then. Yeah.

Not to ask you. That's why she's out of the show. Yeah. I also like that she has a kid named Summer Moon. Ah, so good. Like, pick one. Pick one. Like, who are you, Frank Sapa?

There's like very elemental children's names on this show because there's, There's also an ocean. Lawla's child's name is Ocean. So, yeah. It's like the Captain Planet kids. Yeah. They think they're like the original Greek gods or something. Just give them first to the world, the elements of the world.

Yeah. And who's to say they're wrong? Okay. Yeah. Well, they seem to be getting a lot of what they want in life. So, yeah. Oh, but I guess the other character, I'm getting the two shows confused a little bit.

But I call him chin dent. Oh, okay. James Kennedy probably. Oh, right. Yeah. Like I... Fucking chin. He puts that thing on with put puttie in the morning.

He got that fucking... He got the same surgeon who did like Jim Carrey and me, myself and Irene. I'm so sick of that fucking bullshit fake chin of his. I think, I swear to God, it changes from shot to shot. Like sometimes it looks like it's a little off center. But then when he's talking to the camera in those kinds of shots, it looks fine, you know, like when somebody professional put his chin dent there for him. I'm not sure if it's surgical.

I think it's, like you said, putty. Yeah, he annoyed me to know, Ann. He's probably the worst person. Oh, man. Thank you. Thank you. No one respects James Kennedy. I thought this is a great episode for that.

I actually thought that this was like this was actually an all right a couple of episodes for James, as much as I also loathe the man. I find him so annoying, but I thought he was actually not too bad. I'll give him a slight prop for mocking the Australians and being like, oh, I take some boy I go and talk a couple kangaroos. Yeah, that was actually sort of funny. You know, he was right about that. Yeah, they were doing that.

That was a weird moment. That is what Australians love to do all the time, I think. I really enjoyed the scene that we got between James, and Allie and Schwartz by the pool. That was a weird fuddy seed, yeah. That was like James really trying to like show restraint and growth, but still like coming off as kind of a dick and controlling. Like, you know, he's saying that he like he's not going to get mad and like he's not going to do the thing that James normally does.

but then going on to say she doesn't need to back you up I'm trying to like create a boundary between you and her like you don't need to be friends which is a pretty like controlling dick thing to do to your like girlfriend yeah she doesn't appear to like them very much well I mean yeah when he starts like turning the temperature up

which he does a lot she'll just kind of like stand up and walk away yeah she's done that a number of times so far this season but I did like that scene did that you mentioned great because it's like James is kind of relishing the fact that Schwartz is like fighting himself on the outside of at least part of the Fred group and kind of wants to like flex on him but like he said he's like trying to like show show a bit of restraint there which I thought was really funny also I'm sure he doesn't know what the word facetious means oh no

when Tom Schwartz is like but you're being facetious and he's like no you're being facetious with your big words you threw it up there with a lot of confidence but yeah that's a good point about how like he's seeing schwartz being on the outs and really wanting to relish in it because that's like a feeling that he's expressed that he has had this season like he has felt like he's being pushed out of the group uh and space is being made for rakel so now to see schwartz come along and be in a situation where you know a big portion of the group is is upset with him i think that that you know i'm surprised at He didn't. It takes the heat off, but I'm surprised he didn't, you know, glowed a bit more about it. Right. Well, he seems like he gloated quite a lot. I mean, I've never met him before.

And he was so happy to be at Girls Night near the end there. He was so delighted to be included in just like, just like dining out on the whole like girls night vibe and being like, oh, maybe go get some beauty sleep later. Doing little kissy faces and stuff. And just be like, just one of the girls, right? Yeah. Absolutely loving it. It was a good, like, parallel between the guys night when Raquel showed up to the guy's night. Yes, exactly.

So he got to crash the girls' night. It was, you know, he was going to take advantage of that. For sure. I watched the 10th episode before I watched the 9th episode. Oh, yeah. I'm kind of thrown off with the series of events in the chronology. Yeah, biologicalness of it. Yeah.

but yeah um did you have any specific highlights from this episode that stood out to you uh or either of these episodes well i mean i i kind of like as much as i don't like him as a person like it was always exciting when is it james chin dent is james yeah yeah yeah i mean he's obviously because he creates a lot of drama, just by nature of how he reacts to things. Yeah. Like, he just kind of goes over the top really quickly. Yeah. He's dynamic.

He's exciting. He's fascinating television. He's the star of Vanderpump rules. He's one note. He's one note. He's boring. I'm sure I'd get tired of him after a while, or maybe he would grow on me. I don't know.

Yeah, I get their names all mixed. up. I'm not going to lie. So they're at, so they have a restaurant like, or these two guys are going to start a restaurant soon? Yeah. Eventually, apparently. But they don't seem to be doing, like they're in Mexico and they're opening in 10 days? Yeah. Yeah, they're, they're down in Mexico for Shina's wedding. You know, it's a, it's an event that you can't miss. They are, um, they've got a restaurant already called Tom Tom Tom. That is, open and it's mostly just Lisa Vanderpump's restaurant with their name on it. So they're trying to start up a new restaurant where they can kind of break out of this.

But it's kind of slow going. And this plot line for me is pretty boring. Like I don't really care. We've seen over the season a lot of, you know, trying to get a restaurant open. We saw it like early on with Lisa Vanderpump opening the pump. restaurant and then we saw it with Tom Tom and now we're seeing it with shorts and Sandies again so I mean it's it's kind of tired now but um it's whatever it does add to the you know the Vanderpump rules vibe because it's you know something that we can kind of see and

it it's been a constant running through line through the past 10 seasons so right but yeah overall I don't think this storyline is super interesting No, I thought when they would cut back to... Totally, when they would cut back to Lisa, just the show would get kind of boring. Like, yeah. What's not exciting? Although I did like meeting her husband who doesn't seem to care.

All he seems to care about is the little dog he is holder. Yeah. Yeah, Ken seems like he is losing brain cells by the minute. I feel like, you know... Well, how can he not? He's just getting, yeah, he's just getting droopier and droopier. Yeah, I like, well, he, yeah, he just doesn't seem to fit in either. Like, you know.

Yeah, what's weird when somebody is, just make some holder dogs. It's all he has to do. You've got to, like, put some toys in his enclosure at least. Yeah. Give him a tube he could run in and out of or something. Give him something to do. A laser to chase around. Exactly.

You got to keep him active. I think Lisa's going to like Barry Ken in the backyard just next to like jiggy and I think she she has said that she has said that and as a joke but I'm not sure it was a joke that's going to happen At one point somebody said I want to light them both on fire oh yeah Katie said that it gave everyone everyone chills that was like Lala was like oh I've got chills And James is like, yeah, me too. Yeah. I think James might have thrown in a theatrical shiver there or something. Yeah, Katie seems like she's really.

Oh, and that screenshot of the text she sent, whof. I mean, that's, I mean, we've seen some screenshots of Katie's text in past episodes, but of course, now she's going to go full, righteous fury. And, you know, that's, it's a fun thing to see. Yeah. No, I think like we're continuing to get honest. emotion from Katie this season and I I'm enjoying it. I like I don't know I get you know where she's kind of coming from like I can see why she would be upset about this and but also like what did

you expect was going to happen on this show I mean I can yeah I can I understand her being wounded I think she's dialing it way up out of proportion but that's what Tom Schwartz should have knowing what was going to happen, of course. Like, he should absolutely have known that this would make her blow up. And, you know, he went ahead with it anyways for whatever reasons. And like I do, the guru her reaction is wildly out of proportion, but it's not at all out of character. It's what you would do. And what he had like ample warning.

Like, it's not like this was an impulsive out of the blue thing. Oh, yeah. Something that has been like teased throughout the entire season. Yeah, yeah. Acadia's very clearly communicated how it was making your feel. The mere suggestion was already a blow up. Yeah. Is it like maybe this is pulling behind the curtain, but like, isn't it, isn't that what's supposed to happen?

Like, isn't, like when the parties right beside the restaurant, they're like, we didn't know it'd be this close. It's like you didn't, but the producers did. Well, the thing is, okay, and that specifically, like what you're saying in general, we can go into that a bit more detail. but like specifically Katie sitting down with Christina Kelly and being like, oh my God, the wedding's so close to us. I was like, what the fuck? You are crashing this wedding, Katie. Why are you going to complain that you're too close to the wedding? You know, she disinvited herself from the wedding and decided to go to the same resort anyways.

And then she's like, oh, my God, they're so close to us. What? You did this? Did I say pulling behind the curtain? I meant pulling back the curtain, obviously. Pulling behind the curtain sounds like a whole... It's a whole dirtier thing to do. Yeah.

She couldn't have not gone, though. Like, she had to go for the show. For the show, probably. Like, I've said, like, the best excuse for it would be that the producers were like, come on, we need you to go. We got to have you in there, you know? So that's like the best excuse for it. If it was entirely her own initiative, it's like,

doesn't make any sense. Yeah. I also felt like, I mean, just because I haven't watched any reality, TV for a long time. Some of the, like, just the moments when they're in a hotel room. And I don't know, sometimes I just see things from the perspective of the cameraman. And it's like, it's just this guy. He's just standing in the middle of these like intense conversations.

And they have to act. They have to do them naturally. And it's like, are they, I never know, are they playing it up? Or are they just become unaware that the camera's there? Yeah. I mean, I think at this point, because this is such a mature cast, I don't think they see the cameras as much. Like, they don't see them as much as like being in an invasive presence. I think they do, they are very, like, aware of the cameras.

And they know how to use them strategically even. But I don't think it's something that, interferes with them like bringing up like really heated emotion. I think they've all got, you know, they've got enough hours in front of the camera that it, you know, it's real easy for them to, um,

to kind of put that behind them when they're trying to engage in this type of, uh, dynamic conversation. Yeah, the core cast, they're professionals at this point. Most of them have been doing this for like 10 years. Right.

That brings both sides to it in the sense that like Craig says, it brings the aspect that they're not, going to be at all put off or bothered by the cameras. But at the same time, they also have reasonably polished camera facing personalities at this point. They know the cues to hit. They know the way that they can do the conversation they want to do in a way that'll play right for the cameras because they are professionals at doing this by this point. Most of them anyways. Some are a little less polished than others. Yeah. Some are definitely much better than I think Tom Schwartz is one of the people that

likes to think of himself as being really good at presenting this persona in front of the camera, but also he's really bad at like using it strategically and picking his moments. I think that it comes across like really transparent when he is trying to like put on a front like we saw in that, that dinner scene, the Bubba dinner in episode nine. also like when he tried to pick his moment to go and talk to Katie afterwards at at the dinner you know that was also just like it seemed like a rookie move to go and try to do you know what i'm not too sure about that though because that actually that specifically that moment when he broke into the conversation to ask Bubba to trim his armpit hairs was was actually a moment that made me reconsider something I

I'd said earlier in the show, I think the first time we talked about Van der Pruppupt rules this season where I was saying that like if the situation continues to degenerate between Katie and Schwartz, Katie is going to be completely strategizing. She already is. And Schwartz is going to be just just lost and goofy and without strategy. I think he's actually, I've come around to the idea that shorts is way more strategic than I think he is. And that moment actually made me think that because I thought that was a moment where courts saw, you know, Katie, Christina Kelly and Lala having a conversation, knew that they were probably talking about him, knew that it might be a moment he'd look at for him, and immediately

decided to insert himself, which something, which with something that was designed to be guileless, designed to come off as unstrategic, as stupid, as doofy, as the, I think the, I think the, the key word to understand, Tom Schwartz's strategy is that is what we used to call adorkeable. You know, that if I ever published my glossary of millennial aesthetic categories, there's going to be a big entry on the adorkeable. You know, it's a subcategory of cute, which means it's based on being vulnerable in a way that will make people love you.

And Lala says that when he leaves, when she's like, that was like, that was, that was so inappropriate. And then he makes you feel sorry for him. And I feel sorry for him now. Why do I feel sorry for him? him by intentionally doing something that makes him look like he has no clear intention, that he has no idea of what's right or what's wrong, that makes him seem so guileless, so gormless, so vulnerable,

that the natural reaction, especially for a millennial, is to like want to embrace him and like him and be like, oh my God, he's, he's charming because he doesn't know how to socialize correctly. And I think that Tom Schwartz has gotten really used to working that to his advantage, and he weaponizes that. And I think to me, that was an instance of him weaponizing that. We could disagree about whether it worked or not, but that's what I thought he was doing specifically in that situation.

I thought he was just calling. Yeah, no, I was going to say that's a fair point. I think like you see that same strategy. Like he tries to play that out at the pool with James. And James is able to quickly like diffuse that. He's not he's not buying into this, you know, aloof Schwartz act. He's very quick to like turn it away.

But yeah, in that second instance, you're right. It did kind of work in his favor to play that. And that is what has kind of made him Teflon. Especially in contrast to Katie, because Katie is she gets that fucking stern, hard face on her. She's very, very focused, very intense about her emotions. People are going to read that as bitch right away. Not saying that's fair. That's the way that we do.

That's, that's, you know, that's the way we, we've learned to read that, right? And I do think Katie's done a lot of, like out of, out of, out of, things that are out of proportion anyways. But it's also just like an unfair aesthetic read on her to like to read that as pure bitch. So to compare that to Schwartz's aesthetic presentation of pure guilelessness, there's such a strong contrast that there's like an automatic response to gravitate towards the person who seems harmless, vulnerable, approachable and have your sympathy sympathies coalesce around that node of the couple instead. So I think there's also that like deepening of the contrast between the two that he's trying to work as part of the strategy. Yeah, it's a similar vibe to what Raquel puts out.

But I think Raquel comes across a bit actually more genuine in that. Was it in a way, Schwartz, just calling her an armpit hair trimmer though? Like, wasn't he trying to take her down a peg a little bit, too? Like, maybe? Like, he was trying to embarrass her in the situation. To me, it kind of felt like just grasping at, like, whatever he could as an in. I don't know enough of his character to, you know. To me, it felt like he was trying to embarrass himself on purpose.

Right. Because that's his go-to. That's my read on it. Yeah. Oh, I ate the, you know, I ate the thing I wasn't supposed to eat again. I'm sorry. Exactly, exactly. That's so Schwartz.

I did like him at first, but I think, yeah, and disliked Katie, like for all the reasons you said, Dylan. And but I did realize after watching two episodes, that wasn't all that was happening there. Schwartz definitely is, you know, people should be mad at him. Yeah. Sometimes, you know? Oh, yeah, for sure. I think that's one of the things that I like Schwartz. as an entity on reality TV.

I don't, you know, I don't like him as a person. It's not the type of character that I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm like Team Schwartz on this. But I do kind of like that he's got this, you know, this persona that he puts out there. And he's got this, this underbelly where he's, you know, clearly a self-centered asshole that is kind of behind the mask. Right. I don't think he's fully aware that he's self-centered, though. No, but who is? Like, who thinks that about themselves?

Not many people. I mean, that could pretty much go for anybody on the show to a certain. Exactly, yeah. I mean, how else would they continue on with the show? Let's talk a little bit about Sheena. I think that these were really good episodes for Sheena, not just in that it was her. wedding. I think she was still like a really active player and stirring the pot on on these episodes. I brought up the example of when she called Lala when they were all in Lala's room and being like,

oh, like, where did you go? Because she has legitimate reason to be a bit upset with how Lala is behaving on this trip. But instead of, you know, doing that and making it about her and and putting the confrontation, you know, between Lala and her or deepening the divide between her and Katie. She just uses an opportunity to, like, put the information out there that Schwartz and Raquel made out. Right. Yeah, it's a pro move.

I didn't know exactly what to think of her. Like, I get because, like, she's, at certain times, like, Lala, like she's saying, like, you should come on the, I'm getting the episodes confusing. again, but like, come on the catamaran. And, uh, and she's like, hey, I know it's your wedding, but, you know, I got stuff to do too. And it's like, yeah, no, but you're here for one reason and one reason only.

And that's her. So just, just do it. Yeah, she does right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And while it's like ditching on everything in, in the wedding, like, and, yeah, it seems to think

that it's no big deal. Yeah. I don't really get her excuses. Like, she's just kind of like, well. I think what is happening is there's this like this almost this new witches of Weho coalescing around Katie so in the older seasons of Vanderpump rules

the witches of WeHo are Katie Stasi and Kristen You get some lore now Jared Yeah and they're They're gone now But But now I feel like they're Katie's trying to build up the car calling the coven into session yeah exactly

yeah yeah for sure for sure yeah well I'll have to look into the whole witches thing they they were selling wine like a witch is a way of a wine for a while yeah I don't know if it's still out there or not but um maybe you can find a nice aged bottle this world I had no idea What did you What did you guys think about the wedding itself? I would have thought it would have been a boss move If she had another like crop top dress But I think we can get

I thought she backed down She should have stuck with her guns But I mean, you know Whatever it was fine Jared did you have any other highlights from these episodes Oh, Vanderpump No I think we touched on most of the things that that I that occurred you know I thought was good I don't know uh Dylan how about you uh what were your

highlights oh man basically all of it uh like anything anything not involving restaurant talk um just um going back to episode nine the whole the the bubba dinner as you called it i thought was yeah beautiful beautiful scene incredible cinema it was it was it was that was a burbubber dinner men scene. That was a bomb back scene. That was better than Kramer versus Kramer. Just an amazing divorce dinner. A scene that's kind of like on a downward spiral, but like still enough making an effort for like the kind of the aching human angle to come through. I thought it was so good. Like just building up to the choices to have like a closer shots as they go through too as the emotions. Yeah. Get higher. So good until it's just broken by a waiter coming in to say, excuse me,

seorita baba yeah yeah that was a beautiful moment an incredible scene real real he just took the food away yeah is that the same scene yeah he just like he's like she's she went to the washroom he's just like yeah yeah you didn't believe her I didn't also but there's nobody else in that restaurant right yeah no there was there was no one there no so he's just all alone all by himself yeah It's interesting because usually on these shows, you know, they don't clear out the background of the restaurant. You can see people, you can see people in the background even like looking at the cameras directly. Right.

But here it was very alone and very isolating. And that had to have been a deliberate choice. Felt like it a little bit. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. At that weird like French restaurant in the Mexican resort where they somehow make the Mexican way. say bonjour and say French words.

Have you ever been to a Mexican resort? Yeah. Yeah. And that's what it's like, right? Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. Like when I went, I thought we were going to eat Mexican food. I don't know.

I thought, I had that thought too, because I've never been to a Mexican resort. And I had that thought. I'm like, okay, you're in Mexico and you're eating like at a French restaurant and a habatchi restaurant.

Yeah, that's fair. I said, first I'm like, that's really weird. But then I thought about it. I was like, okay, these people live in L.A. Like, they can probably get better Mexican food on any street corner than they can get at the Dreams Natura Cancun Resort. So, you know, enjoy that habatchi.

It is funny, though, when they start to say the language, like, like, if you, it's one thing to have a French restaurant, it's another thing to start speaking French. To make your more waiters, like say bonjour and French to the American guests. It's pretty weird. But whatever, you know. or seniority to Bubba. Between that and like the Paris by Lisa Vanderpump or whatever the Bucket Restaurant in LA was called a few episodes or in Las Vegas. It was called a few episodes back.

Has really made me realize like how much this I this association of French culture with like a kind of refined refined cosmopolitan. Yes. Vibe is like a very persistent thing. That's still a thing. Like people still like like like cling to the idea of a French culture. being like the culture of sophistication. Which is why you have these tacky fucking places in Las Vegas and Cancun that are like,

welcome to Paris. I don't know how the French got away with that or continued to get away with that in some circles somehow. Totally. Yeah. Sticking on episode nine a little bit before we move on, I was, I felt like weirdly proud of Raquel when she busted out her Waldorf and Stadler routine. because assuming that it wasn't like planted by a producer, which it might have been.

It's like seems surprisingly sharp-witted for her to make the association between Christina and Kelly, Christine and Katie standing on the balcony judging and the two Muppets doing it. That was. And then to like use the bus out two pom-bombs and two dialogue. She did that with unexpected gusto and confidence. Yes. Hats off to her. One quibble would be that like when she did their voices, it really wasn't the way that they talk.

Like it was, she's just like, oh, we hate love. We hate happiness. That's not the way Waldorf and Settler talk. But, you know, marks for the rest of it. Just not the extension. Yeah. If an actual Waldorf and Settler routine would be something like, oh, oh, you know, oh, sheena sure looks good out there, doesn't she? I give her a 10.

Or 10. I'd say 15. because apparently she's having another Kinsenira. You should have been the one doing it. I should give the Rick Lowe. I mean, the joke's not very good, but it's more in character, you know? Yes. The guy officiating the wedding, sure doing a good job.

Yeah. And if he marries Sheena two more time, she gets the next one free. Oh! Also, we're all. man voice was was lacking. Yeah, sure, sure. Okay. But I'm going to stop picking nits. She did a routine.

Applaus for doing a routine that was actually like pretty on point. Oh. The fact that I got it means it was okay. I like that she's in. She's she's in there. She's trying new things in the confessional that other people aren't doing. Like she was dabbing a few episodes ago. Oh, yeah.

Like, you know, she's getting a bit experimental with it. And I appreciate that. She's starting to feel her oats a little bit more. Yeah. I thought the initial, like when they kissed, I thought that was a bit awkward the way they kissed because they leaned over a table. And so they're having to like, you know, like bend a lot. And it's just not conducive to kissing. So at one point, I think he slipped through the tongue and it just looks really bad.

Oh, the whole like consummation of the makeout plot line was like really awkwardly executed. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's great for what it will like unlock as narrative possibilities, but like it was a very forced moment to like actually have that to make them do that kind of, which is what it felt like. It felt like a high school moment, like where someone's like, hey, if you go ask whoever to make out, she's going to make out with you. And then you go like, hey, are we going to like. Yeah. It was just so contrived. Yeah. But then the follow through that, the immediate follow through to that, like moving on. to the new episode. The early parts of the episode, I loved so much because I've been talking a lot

when we've been talking about Vanderpoms about kind of the increased spotlight on Raquel and kind of the evolution of her as not a big personality because that doesn't really developed much, but just as a center of activity and the questioning about who she really is and stuff. And I thought we got this wonderful climax at the start of the recent episode

where they bring back that image I loved of the galaxy light. She was projecting the galaxy light in the Lake Havasu, and they're making fun of her for it. And it became this kind of emblem of her kind of youthful, hopeful, cringe, dopey, doish attitude to life that everybody was making fun of her for for being just like really lame and silly and young. And then, you know, she got reinforcement from that by Charlie, Schwartz says at one point that he has a light.

And then we see him sleeping under it. Exactly. And then we get this amazing culmination of that image when after she kisses Schwartz, when she gets to be the center of attention and where she's no longer just somebody being barely tolerated at the margins of this French group. But she goes in, she's surrounded by all these people, and they project her galaxy starlight. We have her lights just spinning over everybody's faces. The galaxies from her projector just moving across the faces of the Tom's and Arieta and everybody. They're literally in her light and everybody's focuses on her and everybody's talking about her.

And just to use that as the image of that, I thought it was so great. And it was just a great like Raquel has arrived a moment. And her personality is still. kind of a black hole that you know where you find a black hole at the center of a galaxy wow that's beautiful it it was a beautiful moment it was great and then like you said schwartz sleeping after it unbathed in the galaxy light yes there there's just really great moments and imagery in these episodes another one that i really liked was near the end when schwartz shows up uh to can like to confront or be confronted by Katie at like the I guess they're at the Habachi restaurant at that point or whatever when he appears there's like hissing steam and fire right when he shows up like he's playing the devil in like an Italian opera that was so great probably totally unplanned but it worked out really really well who knows they might have they might have worked that one out can you do that one more time he's going to do that yeah but yeah

See, it's amazing. Like, I didn't notice all those things because I was trying so hard just to keep up with who these characters were. Keep the name straight. But, yeah, now I'm, now maybe I'll watch more. Yeah, you should. I urge you to, yeah. It just gets deeper and deeper with all these, like, images and, like, cast off lines get, like, re-referenced the more you go on. I liked how he was hiding behind the pole there.

Yeah. I think he's probably going to come talk to us because it's like there's, you could, you know, he's not hiding. I do, I do want to address Lala a little bit too because we haven't talked about her too much. And I think the last time we talked about Vanderpapap a couple episodes ago, because we had to cover it very quickly, we were talking about a girl strip a lot. And I've always kind of liked Lala a lot. And I said I was going to do by defense of her. And I thought, you know, episode nine, I was like, all right, we got some good material here. we can see her best qualities to be,

which are that she's a fierce, like, ally of her friends and is really good at supporting her friends and building them up and stuff. I thought the way that she'd like talk to Allie, to kind of warn her about some of James's qualities was actually like merited and on point and, uh, and stuff.

Moving into the last episode though, this, this was, this was, this was a little off the rails here. Like when she goes into talk to Sheena, And Lala loves to start justifying her actions by saying, as a woman, and then proceeding to something, which basically, you know, the summary is basically, you can't judge me for what I did because of feminism. But often, as I've said before, she makes very good points.

Often she makes great points about, like, you know, how women get blamed for things that aren't necessarily their fault, how they get victimized, dragged. And we can see a lot of that in the reactions that have been going on. on to Raquel and the way that women just stick together and so often she makes good points. Often her as a woman sentences end up just being kind of nonsensical and nakedly self-serving. And this time she busts out the as a woman thing. She immediately goes into dragging Raquel again, who famously is a woman, and then transitions from that to comparing her to all these other fucking women that she hates who are responsible. for breaking up her relationship, apparently, with Randall, with Randall, the

motherfucking Harvey Weinstein level scum who has been like, you know, lying to women and manipulating women and coercing women into sex with him. Yeah, victimizing the, John Travolta Gotti movie and just doing all kinds of terrible things. And that she, for her to frame it as like, these women are responsible for editing by relationship. It's like almost the same breath as her like as a woman intro. It's like, whewf, bad look, Lola. This was a bad episode for her.

And also, not as bad, but also she's like straight up gaslights Raquel at the end, which I hesitate to use that word because it's been like so. Yeah. But I mean, it's it's become such like a mainstay of reality TV shows to use gaslighting to what you mean to say lying that it's almost been like bleached of meaning. But this is like textbook. her literally saying like, well, I think you're remembering it wrong

if you remember it that way, because that's not how it happened, like literally textbook example of it. So anyways, I'm not... Ever on this show go, you know what? You're right.

It was me. Does it ever happen with any character? Well, yeah, like people have admitted to things before. But without like... Explosive. The super defensiveness. I don't,

think without the super defensiveness, you'll have them starting out with. You know, I was wrong. I want to apologize. I made a mistake. And then when they get the pushback, yeah, you were wrong. I'm like, well, actually, it was because. But anyway, I just wanted to say that, no, I'm not going to be doing my defense of Lala this episode because it was a terrible episode for this last one.

And that she looked really bad and did a really bad job. Yeah, she didn't look good at all. And it was just, you know, I got to admit that was a bad, bad showing from Lola. Yeah. I think, like, Lala has one of the characteristics that I, like, appreciate in a reality character and, like, I think makes a good antagonist. It's just a complete inability to show accountability. I think there's people that are way better at at least creating the illusion that they're taking accountability for something. but Lala reminds me of Lisa Rina a lot in how, you know, it's never her fault and she's going to like deflect.

And, but it's something that I do appreciate in a housewife, but it makes me like really, it's really hard to, you know, like them. Yeah. I think it's effective for the show and you need people like that. Of course. If they were all just good people, then why are you watching, right? Yeah. Yeah. And in terms of, oh yeah, and then this show especially, like lots of shitty people. But I think in terms of just like why she's a good, like, personality on TV, I really like Lala because I find she's just consistently very funny. It's just as simple as that. She's very quick at spitting out sentences that are really funny. I think my, probably my all-time favorite Lala line. I don't even remember which episode this was. But there's one episode where she says, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on you. Fool me three times. You're fucking dead to me.

that's great. That's such good dialogue. Like she's just so funny. And that's the number one quality I'm looking for. Somebody who will just spit out really funny statements. Right. Yeah. Before we move on to Real Housewives of New Jersey,

Dylan, did you have any other final thoughts on Vanderpump Rules? Oh, I mean, I can go on, but I think those are kind of the main things that I wanted to get off my chest. a couple great episodes lots of stuff going on there can't wait to see what comes next a restaurant not opening oh yeah

I love a lot of that Jesus Christ although the one guy said he didn't tell us you know he didn't tell us about the drinks and the other persons I think we did we did tell them about the drinks so which one is they for sure didn't tell yeah okay

they're in Mexico I like Lisa pleading with Greg being like, well, I'll kick their ass into shave if you just promise me that you'll open on the 31st. And he's like, nope. Yeah. Why would I promise you a thing that can't happen? So Real Housewives in New Jersey.

Jared, what were your initial thoughts on the cast of Real Housewives? And was Real Housewives the show that you were expecting it to be? Yes. to your second question. My first thought was literally like I was having a hard time keeping them all apart because some of them looked very similar to each other. But that's, I got kind of into it. But the first thing I thought was funny was the thing about bougie kids

because this is kids clothes and the one thing that's not in the scene is any children. This is just for them, I think. Oh yeah. And just using that word boogie, like it's positive, I guess. It's not something I've ever heard before. He uses it as part of her slogan too, right? It's like she's embracing the bouginess. Yes.

She's taking the word back. Yeah, reclaiming it. Yeah, that's one thing that I don't get why, like, why is she the bougie one? Is it because she's from Long Island, not Jersey? Or what's, like, why is that her brand? I think it's more because of the way she dresses up, I think. I think using Bougy in the sense of having like a cheap sense of aspirational style. Right.

Oh, okay. At least that's the interpretation. The sequence and. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The thing that like, maybe this had already been in the show before, but when that,

I can't remember which girl it was. I don't know if she's a regular on the show, but when she said she slept with James candle theme. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Good for Jen Fessler. Good for her. Just, I wonder how long she's been waiting to bust that out. I mean, he's been dead for a long time. Maybe she was waiting for a decent interval to elapse before she just like finally pulls out of her back pocket. Yeah, I pulled the Gandalweeney. I got that. I feel like that. That's the kind of thing. I feel like if you bust that out in L.A., people will be like, okay. But you do that in New Jersey? I don't know. I've never been to New Jersey. but I assume like his his portrait is like in the legislative building.

Oh, he's Tony Soprano. You know, it's like having sex with Elvis and Memphis, you know, right? Or at least the number one Elvis impersonator. Like he's,

I assume he's like a, he's like a prince there probably. So that's good for her. She just like it goes Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, Tony Soprano. Yep, there you go.

Yeah. But, Yeah, we've been good for her. She also said she had sex with him several times. Yeah, she seemed to be kind of maybe elaborating, maybe embellishing a bit as she went on. I think she said he was definitely inside of me. Yeah, and she starts out with that. And then she's like, yeah, the one who got away.

Yeah. You know, I'm sure that's how he thought about her. Yeah. And then when he died, it was like, oh, it felt like the person I married died. It was like, I'm like, okay, help the break. You might be getting a little carried away. He took her. It would have been great if she was like actually one of the girls on the Sopranos and like

that wasn't his wife. Actually, I think I saw her in the Sopranos. Yeah. I just assumed that Tony Soprano and James Gandalfini are the same person. What were your first impressions of any of the other housewives that stood out to you? Well, Melissa. is it Melissa the one of the dark-haired one? There's a few dark-haired ones.

Melissa seems like a real shit-disturber. Like, just always trying to cause problems all of the time. That's what I got. Definitely, like, involved in a lot of problems. She's, like, more of a problem magnet than doing any actual sparing. she likes to be the victim but yeah she's definitely involved in a lot and which which woman like is basically taking them all to ireland so this is dolores's trip she's the the host of this trip yeah so dolores will sometimes be like like i think it was at dinner she's like i just need everybody

to like we're in ireland this is a different country i'm going to need everybody to calm down and it's like well that's not going to work that's just going to make it go the opposite way right Yeah. Well, Paul, Polly warned her. Like, she wants to, she wants to make sure she doesn't, like, tarnish Polly's name. Because he's like, oh, yeah, you start singing, they'll sing along. You start fighting. They'll start fighting along, too. And I love how, I love Polly's code switching, because normally he doesn't really talk with an Irish accent. And then once he's got an Irish family around him, the Irish accent really comes out.

And I just love that kind of domestic code switching. And I was just disappointed he wasn't going. I kind of thought he'd be going with them. Yeah. Yeah, he's definitely trying to like hang back. But I was surprised that his family is like legit Irish. I thought it was like, I thought he was like St. Patrick's Day Irish, not like. Yeah, you thought he was Irish the way that they're Italian, like going back seven generations, you know. But like, but his family talks like they're Irish from Ireland.

They live there. Yeah. And yeah, like I didn't know that until he starts like switching naturally into the accent. So I wish we could see him there in that habitat. I'm a little disappointed. He wasn't there with them. What were your highlights from this episode? Oh, my highlights?

Well, at one point during that big blowup at dinner, I think it was with Melissa, she said something that you're spreading half truth, someone told her, I think. And she said, it's not spreading. It's repeating what somebody else said. And I was like, yeah, that's spreading. That's a spreading. is that moment just like said everything to me. Yeah.

Yeah. A lot of rephrasing going on in the arguments. Just refraising the same thing you're accused of as if you're making a point. Yeah. Also, another great line was when, okay, I can't remember what their name was. It was near the start of the episode. and one of the women is talking to her husband, and I think they've had some marital issues.

Maybe he cheated on her or something like that. But she said to him something like, when you said I do, that's when you stopped having your own opinion. Something along those lines. Yeah, yeah. She said that's when your true life ended or something. I think I got a written down.

Your true self got left at the door, the minute you said I do. There we go, yeah. Like, whoa. Yeah, I know what she was going for there, but the way she phrased it was like, okay, okay. You don't phrase it that way, Jen. Jen, the guy just took it. He just took it.

He was like, yeah, okay. Yeah, because that's Bill Jen's husband. He doesn't push back. That's what he does. He just takes it and goes, all right, whatever. Yeah, I mean, the things that. I mean, I haven't watched the show like this for so long. I mean, obviously, the obvious things popped out to me, just like how made up they are, how much different than they look around, than everybody else, you know, around them.

Everyone, when they walk by in Ireland, everyone's looking at them, like, what is this? I don't know how they, it's hard. Like, when they're in Ireland, it's just like, wow. It's like, I think, I don't think you guys should leave New Jersey. I think they would like stand out in most places that aren't New Jersey. Yes, because they're so flashy lip fillers and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, so bougie. But like I think like in L.A.

these girls are going to seem out of place. Like I mean they'd obviously seem out of place like here in Winnipeg where Jared and I are. So like it's not so surprising that they're like super out of place in Ireland. but it is always interesting watching Jersey when they do a cast trip because all of these shows, they always like take a cast trip. And New Jersey, the Jersey girls, they always stand out in their environments way more than any other cast. Yeah, I guess so. Where are you, Dylan?

I'm in Quebec. I'm in the town of Tennessee. In my work office, that's what's behind me here. basically Jersey so that's what I didn't mention. This is the Jersey of the province of Quebec. Dylan, what were your highlights from Real House of Arizona, New Jersey? Yeah, I definitely enjoyed the bitches of Inashirin. It was not too bad.

We had some things that I didn't quite get in the argument. Margaret really like drilled down on the idea that there was that that Jennifer's ruse with the the coffee fortune reader who was witness tampering uh and I'm not really sure like witness to watch like who's who's who's prosecuting this case God like I don't know like I don't really understand the metaphor like why there's a trial here who's who's on trial what's going on why is it witness tampering but you know she she sticks to her guns enough that other people I think this like kind of spoke to the um the strategic mind that

Margaret has towards the season. She sees this as like someone introducing like a piece of evidence or a piece of like you know, it's putting a ball in play that

she's calling foul on. She wants a penalty called on this fortune teller because there's a flag on the player. Yeah. She does not think it should stand. Yeah, definitely a really great shot chaser to go from that to having Gen Aiden, like, really show her hand there and to reveal this secret that she has and how it's much better than what you would have hoped for the way that it has tendrils that go through Margaret as well. And it's really planting something that's going to be really interesting to see develop because Margaret apparently has the same weapon in her arsenal that.

that Jennifer now has in her arsenal. So, you know, I've compared their situation to a cold war before, and they both have the bomb now. So this is really, really cool. Yeah. And it's interesting, like, to read Margaret's behavior as frustration more than, like, actual, like, slighted. Like, she's mad because she's frustrated that Jennifer has the same knowledge.

She's got the same, like, piece of. leverage but also she's got the added like um she's got the added piece where margaret told someone this so you know she can yeah put that out there she can like use this bomb as a proxy it's not just like margaret can only use it and like put put this out there um but jen can put this out there and also you know put the smoking gun in margaret's hand so right um yeah it kind it gives a bit more context to why Margaret is so mad. For sure. And it's definitely really juicy how this whole dispute has really been revolving around secrets and like who can keep secrets and how information is disseminated

and like the wrong ways to disseminate information to realize that they now both are sitting on the same big piece of information coming to them three different ways is very, very meaty. There's a lot of there's a lot of juicy meat on that bone. So this is really promising for the rest of the season. Jennifer wants to tell Danielle so badly in that scene. I think it's Daniel. Pretending that she can't tell her, but saying everything without saying it.

Yeah. I think that that could have been a mistake. Like, I don't think it will end up being, but that could very easily have been a mistake because now she's in the same position as Margaret. She has been someone else. Yeah. releasing it into the waterways in any form is going to be very, very risky because all your power comes from your ability to control that information.

And if she loses control and the leak comes from her, she might be losing her advantage and playing into Margaret's. She probably felt comfortable because her and Danielle have been close. That alone is probably not enough to do this. but the fact that Danielle has, like, called out Rachel as being a rat and, like, being, like, pissed off about having information, you know, get propagated through her, I think probably gave her the comfort. And, I mean, this, this also is, like, a strategic move in a sense, like, Jennifer needs numbers on her side. And so that's why we saw her last episode or the episode before that, whichever episode it was where she kind of made amends with Dolores to try to gain some numbers. And now she's trying to sort of solidify Danielle and be like, well, now you're basically in this with me because like we've talked about this now. So, you know, we're in the same boat if you go down, I go down type thing.

So I think she was skillful and not presenting it in a way where it seemed like something that she could hold over her head. But anyone in that conversation is going to get collateral with this. Like if this backfires on Jen. So, you know, we saw in the confessional where Daniel's like, okay, well, I wish I didn't know this. I wish I wouldn't have asked. I love pride a lot. I mean, she didn't act like she didn't want to know, you know. She treated it like 20 questions.

Yes, I wrote down 20 questions. That's exactly what it was. Yeah. I also love Daniel's reaction to hearing the news. Just the way that she enunciates, that's a bomb, Jen. Sometimes Daniel sounds like Marge Simpson from Jersey, and it's really, really entertaining. Is there a moment, and maybe I'm confusing people where she kind of, something happens where she kind of forgives her a little bit later on in the episode.

Am I wrong? Or I confuse some of the women for each other. So that Danielle is kind of like I wish I wouldn't have known that. But then later on she seems okay with somebody after some little thing I can't remember. Okay. So there was like a moment where she kind of tests Joe Gorga. Oh, is that the boob thing? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Well, let's send a picture of my boobs to Joe and see if he notices. And then he was like, oh, who's that? And she's like, okay, everything is good at home. Yeah. I don't understand what she thought she was proving by that. Yes.

I don't understand. What did she think she was proving? I didn't get that. Like a guy can't know multiple boobs. No, but also like, and also like if you're going to test him, that's a pretty easy test. Like, I mean, like, Melissa and Daniel don't have the same chest I mentioned. It's going to sound way too horny if I start speculating about their cup sizes. But like, if they were.

grades, Melissa is passing and Danielle is failing. Like, that's a layup. That's an easy one for him to be able to get with that particular picture of her Fafoonies to use one of the terms that Danielle

uses earlier in the episode. And by the way, she has just such, she has an amazing vocabulary for parts of the female anatomy. I think I'm keeping notes somewhere of the list of things she says. I would I want Daniel to play like a doctor in a show or something.

It'd just be like, well, so the cancer's in your Fafoonie. So we got to make sure it doesn't spread to you or to China. It's because then it gets in the tangerines. And then, you know, we don't want that to happen. Just names parts of her body the way Australians named Fana. It was pretty great that that just cleared it up for her, though. She was just like, oh, it's up something. I don't know what.

No problem here. That man noticed. his boobs and that's like it was very odd moment to me but yeah still trying to figure it up but good stuff and then there's busting out limericks oh yeah there's freestyling yeah yeah fessler's was pretty good actually i mean i you'd expect that she's kind of the comedian of the group and uh and she she has a pretty pretty good one dedicated to gandolphine's memory yes who's the one was like that lady's not someone that lady's not funny basically after it oh i think i think jennifer aden said that yeah like she's not the funny one in the group she's not the funny one was she saying that about fessler

or was she saying that about jacky or something whoever said the original i think it was about jacky yeah it was about jacky she said that yeah she thinks she's funny one of the group oh she should know that or sorry i'm getting them mixed up i get the them all mixed up. Dylan, any highlights from New Jersey? I think we covered it all. I think we covered everything I liked about it, honestly.

Oh, also, one more thing. One more thing. There's been a huge obsession this season about using the term throwing under the bus. And that's just just an observation. They won't stop talking about throwing people under the bus. It's just like the term that they love to use. Enter the vocabulary.

Yeah. Like it's the two. 2008 election all over again. I don't know what. Maybe it's a foreshadowing. Someone's going to get killed by a bus. It was like double-decker tourist bus going around Dublin. Somebody else said something.

Somebody said, I forgive. I never forget. I was a great line, too. I think Danielle says that. Yeah, it was just like, okay. Well, I don't think you forgive, though, then. That's an expression that I've never quite understood for that same reason. Yes, exactly.

the implication as always, I forgive, but I don't actually forgive. I forgive because I forget. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I never forget, but I forget. Yeah, so you're good. I'll forgive you once I forget.

One person that we haven't really talked about, and he wasn't very present in this, is Louis. We did get one scene where he seems like very. very frustrated with his beef with Joe Gorga. And Teresa says that she has, she sees a shift in, in Louis. Dylan, do you see a shift in Louis? Yeah, definitely a shift in his approach. He's still babbling therapy speak.

But now he's, he's babbling it in terms of cutting a toxic person out of your life and that he's no longer trying to conciliate, Joe. He has, he has recognized that. that he is just bringing an unhappiness and toxicity into the situation and is now going to take a path of separating from that, which is the only sensible thing to do. Because as I've said in the previous episode, you're not going to have a breakthrough with Joe and Melissa. It's not going to happen.

So might as well change tech. Yeah. Don't give any power to that darkness. Yeah. Awesome. Well, I think that about covers everything that I I want to talk about with Real Housewives of New Jersey. Jared, did you have any final thoughts about what this experience of watching these shows was like?

And any sort of opinions that it changed or reinforced? It took me a while to get used to the pace of the show because it's not what I normally watch. It's bouncing around a lot. This person says something. This person says something. This person he said, she said. Or she said she said. I don't think I would watch.

Real Houthiswives again. But you know what? I kind of got into Vanderpump. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, I'm not super surprised to hear that given the episodes that we watch. I think like Vanderpump rules had definitely the more engaging episodes. And I thought that this episode of Real Housewives in New Jersey was not giving a whole lot. And I think, I think Real Housewives in New Jersey doesn't really do a lot to sort of challenge your idea of what a Real Housewives show is just given the personalities that are on it.

I think it takes a, I think that like it is a great Real Housewives show. And I think that there is like a ton of depth to it. But I think that it takes a while to see that when you're watching New Jersey and not just get your views of Real Housewives free and. force by watching it. So, yeah, I'm not surprised to hear that take. Yeah. Also, I just don't like small dogs, so I have a hard time watching the show. That's going to be a barrier to entry.

It seems like the more shallow the person, the smaller the dog. Well, awesome. I am so glad that you were able to come on and do this. show. Do you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah. Winnipeg, not Quebec, where Dylan is. At J. Roccarola on Instagram. That's J-R-O-C-K-A-R-O-L-L-A.

And yeah, I pump my shows and stuff there. So, yeah. Park theater in Winnipeg every four months or so, host the Winnipeg Comedy Showcase. So that's... That's usually what I'm talking about on Instagram. Awesome. Well, thanks again for doing this.

Dylan, did you want to let everyone know where they can find you? Yeah, as usual. I talk about horror movies on the podcast Mind Over Splatter, and you can find me on Substack writing about movies. Cool. Awesome. This has been the Bravo Outsider. You can find us on Instagram at Bravo Outsider.

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