Oscars Outsider - Vincent D'Onofrio's Character in Men In Black w/ Tyler Kotowski (RHONJ S13E19, RHOA S15E06, RHOC S17E02)

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

On this episode Craig and Dylan are joined by comedian Tyler Kotowski to talk about the final RHONJ episode, paint-bombs in Atlanta and boat parties in Orange County. Find Tyler Kotowski on instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/goodandfunnycomedian/ Find Tyler Kotowski on Tiktok at: https://www.tiktok.com/@goodandfunnycomedian Find Dylan on substack at https://dylanferguson.substack.com/   [https://dylanferguson.substack.com/] https://www.bravooutsider.com   [https://www.bravooutsider.com/] Music by FASSounds from Pixabay

Hello and welcome to the Bravo Outsider podcast. I'm your host Craig Midwinter. Joining me, as always, is Birthday Insider, Dylan Ferguson. Dylan, happy birthday. Oh, thank you so much. You know, I do have a special announcement to make. Can you play that clip, Craig? My birthday is a really big deal.

To my birthday. My birthday. My birthday. My birthday. My birthday. My actual birthday. For my fucking birthday. It's my birthday.

It's my fucking birthday. Because I was born today. It's my 25th birthday. It's my 25th birthday. It's my 25th birthday. It's my birthday. I know, I know, I'm a birthday. Not on my birthday.

My birthday dinner. My birthday party. I mean, I know it's Tassi's birthday, but for God's sakes. This is my birthday. For the love of God, treat it like it's my birthday. My birthday dinner. The birthday? Jax, is this your birthday or is it my birthday?

It's like it's my birthday. Yeah. So this friend of the show, Stacey Schroeder, thank you so much. I just had to get the queen of birthdays in there because that's how I'm going to treat this whole episode. It's my birthday. I'm going to be horribly entitled and I'm going to throw a fit if anybody contradicts me. I'm really glad that you sent me that clip because I was like rushing before the show to get ready and I really wanted to get a clip of Stasi talking about her birthday. So I'm glad we were on the same wavelength because she is the birthday queen.

Yeah, the patron saint of overselling your one birthday. So I'm going to be going Stasi mode all day today. Well, each week we bring on someone who doesn't follow Bravo. Make them watch the episodes and get their take. And joining us today is the very funny Tyler Katowski. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hello. Thanks for having me. Yeah.

Do you all my line? Do I do my line now? Yeah. Okay, take us out. If slashing faces is wrong, I don't want to be right. Marlowe's in the house. Yeah, right on. Thanks for joining us.

Really stoked to have you on the show. We always start things off by getting our outsider to just give a little background and what sort of previous experience you have watching reality TV. Yeah, okay. So I'm like an OG reality guy, so I'm more like a survivor, like competition-based reality show guy. But my wife recently got. super into Vanderpump. So I'm a little bit familiar with the multiverse.

Like Stasi is unfortunately in my lexicon now, Jacks, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm a little bit aware, but these were all new people to me. Oh, yeah. So what are your impressions of Vanderpump, like what you've caught of it, at least? I guess it's probably what most people feel about these shows, which is like I hate everyone.

and I need to see more of them. Yeah. Everything they say is crazy. And the things they don't say, the things that aren't crazy, you're like, maybe he's got a point. And then he doesn't obviously. But yeah, it's the best. Yeah. Well, let's dive right into things.

We're going to talk about Real Housewives of Atlanta, Real Housewives of Orange County, and the final part of the Real Housewives of New Jersey reunion. Were any of these episodes in particular, like, did you find one of them more compelling than the others? Yeah, I mean, the New Jersey reunion was definitely a banger. Oh, yeah. Because you're getting a lot of info, at least for me, where I'm parsing things together. They all look the same. The husbands especially, actually.

So you're like, I don't know who is linked up with who here. So that one was pretty exciting. You can usually tell by who they're sitting behind. with one exception, which is Frank, who's just kind of a drift in the middle there. Yeah, he seemed like he was lost. What I like about the husbands is there was one guy that said nothing, I think, the entire episode. Oh, who is that, Nate maybe? Nate didn't really talk to me.

The oldest one, maybe. Oh, no, Joe. Joe Bonino, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not Joe, what's the other guy? Gorga, great name. Great name. It is, right?

For like a Jersey meathead being named Joe Gorga is. just so on the money. It makes me think of the mortal combat boss that has like eight arms, Goro. I don't know why it makes me. And they all have visibly high blood pressure is what I noticed. Oh, yeah. Those husbands.

Yeah. All those guys have vessels that are like just about to go full on geyser or rupture at any moment. Very puffy faces. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's the combination of like roids and alcohol and pasta that really does it. Yeah.

Yeah. The Holy Trinity is. They call it. Every week, they've also got Andy riling them up or whatever, so that doesn't help. Yeah. Yeah, the one thing that, like, Joe Benino, Marge's partner talked about was, like, Andy just asks them, like, oh, are you glad that Marge's cast is off so that you don't have to wipe her ass anymore? And he's like, yep. And that's all his contribution is.

Yeah. It's true. They definitely seem the most normal is the impression I got of that couple. that they seem just kind of like, why, we don't know why we're here even? Yeah, I think, like, that's definitely different from the season, but I can get that out of this reunion because they haven't been featured. And one of the things that, like, kind of left me feeling a little unresolved from the Real Housewives of New Jersey reunion was that it was so focused on this conflict

between Teresa and Louis and Joe and Melissa that there was really no space to talk about the other stuff that was going on in this season. Like Jennifer Aiden had such a strong story this season that really didn't get touched on. And, you know, Marge is always very active and that didn't really get touched on. So it was a little disappointing

that we didn't have more space to talk about that. But there was obviously just so much content And it was such a heated conflict between Teresa and Melissa that there just was no space for it. Yeah, is there more? Is that going to be like two part or is that that it, the reunion and then? That's the third part of three. So that's the final part. There was two previous reunion episodes before this.

And everyone was kind of waiting for the husbands to come out just because Joe Gorga is Teresa's brother. And so that's a really heated relationship. and this introduction of the Joker in the deck, Louis, is something that people are very, like, fired up about. And he is a well-loved character, I would say. Yeah, he rocks. Which is great that Joe Goga actually says to Louis, you look like the Joker this episode. Because on the show, we've been saying that for weeks now. Yeah.

I love that he has, like, a thesaurus full of kind of, like, subtle ways to threaten people. Not even subtle. He's just, like, sitting there muttering threats for most of the time. Yeah. You better watch. Oh, you better watch your one day. Just a better time. Just a better time.

You're going to get yours. Just like sakes it like that the whole time. And he's got this like hired like group of thugs via Bo Dietl. Bo Dietl is a great name. Yeah. Have they ever shown him? Have we seen Bo Dietel? Not on screen, but he's like popped up doing Instagram lives and commenting on things.

And I think calling Joe Gorga a little bitch boy or something like that, which is the. one of my favorite terms that gets flung around in New Jersey. It was a label first applied to Joe Gorga. And then it was Melissa turned it to be, Louis is the new bitch boy. And now Bo Diedel's firing back that actually Joe Gorga is the bitch boy. So if you're following along at home, Joe Gorga still the bitch boy.

That's like a kind of like a New Jersey slur now. It's like you really don't want to be the bitch boy. Yeah. They've got their own full lexicon in New Jersey. Like, you know, you can't call someone a rat. You can't call someone a bitch boy. Yeah. Yeah, you got to be careful.

But you can't call someone a bugawolf. Now, that's fair game. Yeah. It was, no, go ahead. I was just going to ask, what were your first impressions of Teresa and Melissa in this, this conflict? I thought they were both great. Yeah, like coming from the Vanderpump world a little bit, like I said, I was like, oh, yeah, get after it. Go, go nuts.

What I appreciate it is I pretty quickly kind of like put together the context of like, okay, her maybe like ex-husband went to jail. So did she. Now she's blaming Joe. Great. Put it all together pretty quickly. Yeah. I thought they were both stupid though.

I definitely did want to hear from other people. Like you said, like I got the picture. I was like, great. You don't like each other. Let's someone else talk. Let's hear from the guy that looks like Dave Batista a little bit. The guy with like the super chiseled facial hair. I liked him a lot.

But the only time we heard from him was when he was like, I got the proof. I got the proof. And then he kept holding up this dossier. But then I don't think he pulled anything out of it ever. He was just like, look at it. Look at it. It's just cool. Jelly beans.

I love how many manila envelopes there were in this reunion. Everyone had one tug behind. Yeah, it was awesome. Like waving around and no one opened theirs. They kept handing them to Andy as if he was a bailiff. And it's like, who's he? going to hand those two? There's no judge. You're all wrong. Yeah, it would have been great if you just pulled out some reading glasses. And it was like, I'm just going to go through these documents for the next two hours.

Objection. Overruled. I like that the new guy is definitely the healthiest looking husband when they were like, how'd you like your first year or first season or whatever? I was like, oh, that guy looks great. He's going to give him five more years of hanging out with those guys. That's exactly. Yeah, I'd like to see his teeth in five years. I'd like to see his hair. It's being a on one of these shows ages you more than being president of the United States. Like, you know how you always see those like before and after of someone after their term in office? And yeah, definitely like being on these shows will weather you. And also fill you full of like plastic and fillers and stretch you out. I would like to see real housewives of the oval office. That would be good. Yeah, well, there was a real Housewives of Washington, D.C., and it got canceled after like one season.

But a couple on the show, they crashed the White House for some event on it. I actually haven't watched that series, but it's kind of just like a legendary moment in Housewives where they crashed the White House uninvited. That is excellent. that kind of sums up the hubris of these people, generally speaking. The president probably wants to see us. Yeah. What were your highlights from this episode? Okay, I really liked when they kind of like the husband's partying montage where they're like,

oh, these guys party, these guys drink and like Tums was heavily featured. They didn't have to show them bringing out Tums, but they did. I like that a lot. And I like just Andy's kind of lack of control over any of them. It's been like multiple dozens of seasons across all shows, and he still can't get control for 30 seconds. Yeah, he normally does like a pretty good job of kind of like moderating and being impartial. But in this case, it was just so fired up that he had to be like a like a preschool teacher trying to control these people.

Yeah, it was also when one of the husbands was like, Andy, can I say something? And he was like, I don't know, man. That's not up to me. I guess we'll see. And yeah, I also liked when he was like, I don't sleep in your dead husband's pajamas or whatever. I'm sorry, I misspoke. Yeah, it came out wrong. But then he explains it and he's like, but I did do that once.

Yeah. It was his sweat pads, actually. It's so funny. Why would he even phrase it as pajamas? Like was he trying to be more like empathetic? And like that's more of like a nurturing pant to wear. Yeah. Well, this whole season we have seen Louis tried to be this like he's tried to be this like zen guy that is kind of mediating things and moderating things. And this was like the tail end of that where it just really was not working for him. And he like joker pilled himself. and just like became this really aggressive, like trying to be this mafioso type character that is running things and threatening people. It was a real like heel turn, but everyone kind of saw through his original persona. It was really interesting because he was just so awkward about trying to be this good guy. It was like Vincent Dinoffrio's character in men in black where he's like the alien that's

inhuman skin and just like kind of like. awkwardly maneuvering things. That was Louis trying to be a good person. He definitely has like a devilish vibe to him. You can see we're like, that guy would play the devil on some show somewhere. Yeah, what's great about this episode is that we get to kind of see both light side and Louie and dark side and Louie in the same episode because he comes out

and starts trying to do his like conciliatory therapist thing and start being like, okay, yeah, I want to hear your side of the story. Yeah, it's okay, let them speak. But that within like 15 minutes is is back to just being like, let's play. Your game is coming. Soon. Soon. Literally just threading everybody for the rest of the episode.

And then ends it off by being like, look, now I want to shake your hands. Like, okay. Shake your hand. I want to shake your hand. Yeah, we got to see both sides in sometimes like instantaneously where he was like, yeah, let me shake your hand. And then when the guy's like, don't talk to me, he's like, well, Screw you then. Yeah.

I love when Marge brought up his warrior tattoo, his chest piece, and he's like, damn right, I do, be careful of me. He's very empowered by this tattoo that he got. I love it. I have a tattoo on my chest that says, I am a mountain lion. Look out. I believe it to be true. So be careful.

What other highlights did you have here? I liked at the end of the episode When uh which he's like at the end of the day The show is about us being friends Yeah Is that what the show is about? I just watched the episode and that's not the vibe I got but yeah I'm glad that that's what they fall back to at the end of the day that they are still like we're friends and that's what this is about

Yeah Yeah Like maybe I just don't know Friendship I don't know And then she adds on the long convoluted quote about like if you cheat then then if you drink but and if you kill then you got to laugh. Oh yeah, Dolores like reading off a terrible wedding speech from her phone.

What a perfect summary of like this long convoluted quote. Or at the end they're just like, drink? Yeah, I don't think that was something she prepared. I think she just punched something into chat GPT and just reading it as it was coming out. That's what I should have done. I should have had chat GPT write me a housewife tagline. I thought she was just like maybe texting Politbu. like give me like an Irish drinking quote or something.

Yeah, Polly's got a weird vibe too. I don't know. I don't know about that. Yeah, he does. I think like it might be that he's got a personality that just doesn't come across on camera very well. I think Shane on Real Housewives of Orange County is also similarly like he comes across as just like an asshole just but he's got a really dry sense of humor. Right. Whereas, yeah.

Polly is just very uncomfortable on camera and very stiff. Yeah, and sometimes the editors don't know how to play that guy. Like, with certain characters, you can see how they make cuts and edits to, like, frame certain things. But with some guys, they just don't know how to do it. So they're just like, look at him. Yeah. Here he is. I think Polly's best moment was when they're arguing about PisaGate, as Joe insists on terming it.

Yeah. And Polly just like says and ate like, ah, I want pizza now. And it's like, yeah, me too. And then at the end of the episode, they bring out pizza after they've left. Poor Polly and they don't even get the pizza. That was the most tragic part of this episode. Yeah, that was a very unusual way to end things. And I wonder if they ordered pizza after like in the studio. One of the producers is like, oh, we got to get pizza now. Like we have to order some pizza to end this on because they usually do their like toast or. their shot or whatever to end the season and the reunion. And they ended with Irish whiskey and pizza. And I thought that was fun and very awkward to watch these women who are very dressed up kind of maneuver this pizza in a way that seemed somewhat graceful. But it's like you're eating a slice of pizza. So how elegant can you be? I like to think production was like, hold on, it's actually not Bo Diedel's security.

It's just the pizza guy. I'm sorry, I don't know why he told us he was security. He's just got pizza. He said he was, his name was Dom. Oh, Domino's. Oh. That's my bad. That's my bad.

Yeah. I assume that was like a reference to the Pizza Gate thing. They decided to do that as a prop. But it didn't come off area like 2010's Oscar telecast gimmick or like a Jimmy Fallon style. Like, hey, we got everybody eating pizza. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. It's the biggest selfie.

Yeah. Exactly. Did you have any other highlights from Real House of New Jersey? I did note that without like any contacts on my end at the start of the show, he kept asking the husbands how they're feeling. He's like, how are you feeling? You good? You good?

And I was like, are these guys, are they unwell or like what is the? And it turns out, yeah, just they all kind of have something going on. Yeah. He literally says to, who does he say, to Louie or something? He's like, I just don't want people getting. physical. He has reason to actually be concerned because, you know, those guys might get physical. Yeah.

It's funny. It's funny that Andy is like so concerned, but he's kind of like, he's like the Oppenheimer of like he's built this massive thing, but then he just keeps building more of them. He's like, I love it. I need more of this. I need one in every state. It is really interesting how the like the physical like geography. and the

kind of just the regional culture infuses a different flavor in each of these these shows. Big time, big time. Each of them definitely had an entirely different vibe. Like New Jersey was definitely the most aggressive.

Yeah. And then maybe Atlanta and then O.C. was pretty mellow. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely like that California laid back vibe in this episode that we got. It was not really rife with like head-on conflict on O.C.

Yeah. Dylan, what were your thoughts on this finale to the reunion of New Jersey? Pretty satisfying. Did nobody ever tell Joe Gorga that you're supposed to unbutton your suit jacket when you sit down? I thought I'd mention that. I don't know. I'm surprised that he's never heard that before. or maybe he just thinks it's tighter around his torso, I feel he's buttoned up.

But sorry, that has nothing to do with anything. Just had to bring that up. I did, like I said, loved Louis's journey through Light Louis to Dark Louis and then try and its transition back to Light Louis at the end. It's so good. And love how when people start bringing up all the Bodiedel shit. And he's like, no, no, that's not, no, I don't, where's your proof? That's not true.

I don't have anything to do with him. And then they're like, oh, we got word that you've got a security downstairs? No, that's somebody Bodeo sent me. All right, buddy. You're really open your case here there. Surprisingly strong presence from John Fuda, I thought, who we haven't really seen too much of yet to like show up and be like, I know I have connections. and and just like go straight up like toe to toe with Louis and be like, I know everything you've done,

which is like talking to Louis at his own register. It's just like two like vaguely threatening men being like, be like, I know and I will destroy you. No, I know and I will destroy you, which was great. I didn't expect John Fuder to be the guy that like stepped into that role. Yeah. I think that even shook Louis because he, went right to him after and was trying to make things up.

And we've talked in the past about how important the husbands are on Real Housewives of New Jersey, not just like what they give to the show in terms of the entertainment value, but also they serve a real strategic purpose to the show. And John Fuda definitely as like a first, a rookie house husband, wasn't very active. in the sort of strategic social positioning that happens amongst the husbands on New Jersey specifically. But I think this was him kind of watching back and kind of seeing how things work and being like, okay, I got to step up my game and be a bit more present.

So I was, I was happy to see that. Yeah, yeah. He definitely tried to ingratiate himself with the husbands right away with the first like initiation dinner where he showed up with like the Tums and like the depends diapers and being like, hey, fellas, here's the lame jokes you guys like. Which totally worked. There's a huge hit with them. This is him trying to appreciate himself on the other side and being like,

by the way, I'm going to be the tough guy, Balfioso that's expected of me. So, yeah, a little interesting to see that going forward to the next season. So hopefully we see a little bit more of John Fuda and his bizarrely sculpted beard. Yeah, on a note about the sort of the husband dynamic, the strategic aspect of that. I was pleased to see that Franks indicated that he has patched things up with Polly. I think, you know, Dolores having two husbands in the like the guys camp is a real advantage for her strategically. Like she's got so much more pull to do whatever she wants when she's got, you know, two united husbands acting on on her behalf within that group.

that you did, husbands. Yeah. One on each side of the aisle, too. You got to be able to reach across the aisle. Yeah, exactly. My favorite shot in this, which I thought was a beautiful shot, was like right after Teresa Storm is off. And we've got her like talking on her phone to Gia, well, like production assistance,

like a mill around. And then there's just the screen behind her showing the feed of what's happening on the sound stage where it's just like Joe Gorga is like just like going off. but silently with no audio. Just like how many layers there was to that scene of like different stories being told to different people on top of other stories. I thought it was like just a beautiful shot that like encapsulates all like the multiple narratives that you get and these kind of things. And just using that phone call to Gio was like a huge coup for Teresa, I thought, who was mostly getting savaged in this episode, I thought. Yeah.

you know, didn't necessarily look very good for most of it was really like explosively, childishly shouting the whole time, which plays into Melissa and Joe's hands. You know, I liked at one point when John has the dossier or whatever and Teresa's like, I'm all about proof. You know, I'm all about proof. And it's like, really, are you all about proof? Because it seems like you're all about like vague insinuations, actually. but uh but uh to use like the uh the idea of of picking up on something that that joe said that jia said which was a huge misplay by joe and then to actually like call her on the show because that was like such a great uh play for her because it's been clearly established that children are like off

limits and that's a line that you cross and and she was able to show like that joe and melissa have really crossed the line that you're not allowed to cross the line that you're not allowed to across according to their logic. Yeah. By having to get her own words contradict them. Yeah. And I think Melissa was definitely trying to position Teresa as the one that crosses that line in the sprinter van scene that we saw during the trip.

Whereas soon as Trisa kind of implies that, you know, I think it was Melania, was hurt by Antonia not being able to make her sweet 16. birthday party. That, you know, that's something that Melissa jumped on right away and is like, oh, you be that aunt. I'm not going to be that aunt. And, you know, I didn't think that Teresa was saying or implying anything about Antonia. I can see how it kind of would be upsetting.

But I don't think it was the big deal that Melissa made it out to be. And so now when there's just like such a huge arsenal of examples of. of Melissa and Joe, you know, bringing the, uh, Teresa's kids and involving them. Um, it definitely was a misplay on, on Melissa's part. And I was glad to see that we got this call with, with Gia. I feel like they could have also kind of juxtaposed it with a clip from that Sprinter van of, you know, Melissa saying that she's not going to be that aunt, but, um, You know, yeah, I think this was a good, like, a big score for for Teresa on on this.

When otherwise, I think through this whole three-part reunion, I feel like it's been mostly a dominant performance from Melissa with just a few missteps. Yeah, yeah, I think so. And you can see that Melissa and Joe kind of realized that they opened themselves up to taking that blow at the end after they bring it up. And then Teresa immediately jumps out and starts calling Gia. They're both like, oh, of course she's going to back her mom up. I mean, of course. Oh, God. And they realize that what they open themselves up to by saying that.

So great work by Teresa to capitalize on that in a big way. And giving her the reason she needed to storm out. Yeah. The reason to be like, oh, a line has been crossed. Now I get to actually blow up and act like I have a good justification for blowing. up. Yeah. And it was it was a good move for her to storm out in any case, but especially just knowing that Andy might follow her out, just showing how much power that she wields as a house life. Because typically when someone storms off, Andy does not leave his seat. Yeah. But for him to come out and

follow her, that's, you know, that's kind of a big deal. Yeah. He comes out and follows her. And then he starts saying like, I'm sorry, I was shouting against you. I was getting cut up at the moment and watching that I'm like okay yeah her power play worked like she's got like Andy following her and like Andy on her side and this is totally what she wanted yeah for sure uh any other highlights from real housewives of new jersey oh that that's about it I think but uh great way to end an awesome season such a fun season yeah it was it was fantastic I don't think I've got any other highlights either I think we covered most of it the other thing that was uh kind of funny to me me was the montage of Teresa talking shit about Jacqueline Loretta and, you know, Andy's calling

her out for it being the joke of this entry and using the editor receipts. I really love that. Yeah. But let's move on to Real Housewives of Atlanta. I thought this was a fantastic episode. The episode preceding this was really building this up. and I thought that it really delivered. I was surprised to find out that this episode had the lowest ratings in franchise history for Real Housewives of Atlanta.

I think people are just not paying attention to that series. And I kind of understand why it hasn't had a lot of drama up until now. But I thought that this was a great episode. Tyler, what were your first impressions of the cast on Atlanta? Um, they're definitely more, I mean, as far like on the husband and partner front, obviously, in this episode in particular, we don't really see them. I think we see two of them kind of briefly and they're both kind of like, huh, so that's what's going on. All right. But because obviously the story is mostly on Marlowe and Candy in this one. Yeah. But I thought it was hilarious. They

started the episode with like previously on and I was like, oh, great, a little catch up. And then they're like in 2011. Yeah. Oh, okay. So this runs deep. They don't care how long you've been watching for. We're going to fill you in. And even still, like at the end of that first sequence, I was like, okay, I'm now caught up

from 2011 to 2023 and I still know nothing. Yeah. I'm no wiser. I, okay. But definitely I was like, these people are more down to earth. It seems. Yeah, I would say there's like kind of a mix of personalities. But yeah, that intro was something that immediately stood out to me.

I thought that it was not just like great as an introduction for anyone who has not followed this franchise for very long, but also just like this kind of beef tape that you see when you're promoting a big like fight or whatever. I really loved how it was setting it up. and the tension just building right from the start. Yeah, and then like Marlowe at lunch with her manager slash friends, they say, which is like, all right, well, you don't have to say they're your friend. I believe you. Yeah.

But that was almost jarring because it was the first time I watched this episode last. So it was the first time in the three episodes that I'd just seen people getting along, just like interacting with friends. Oh, yeah. And just talking about their lives, like, who are you going to date? What are you going to do? So I was like, all right, slap her. Or like, do something.

What are we doing here? Maybe this show is about friendship all the way. Maybe I was wrong. I think it's pretty interesting. You know, we got a really good cross-section of episodes that we're covering this week. Like we've got the very end of an explosive season of Real Housewives of New Jersey. Now we're getting a middle episode. in a kind of like mid-tier season of Real House House of Atlanta.

But, you know, as the seasons of these shows, they progress. They, you know, they exist in certain places within an arc. And it's not always a straightforward story arc, but you have a definite, like, different goals at the end of a season episode versus the middle of the season versus the beginning of the season, like we're seeing on Real House of Orange County. So I thought this was a really good cross-section. Yeah.

So, like, I was maybe halfway three-quarters to the episode. And I was like, I like, I like everyone so far. Like, I almost, I wouldn't watch this again just because they're all succeeding. And I, and everyone's nice. Yeah. This isn't great. And then it like really picked up in the back half. Yeah.

But it was, it was interesting. Like, I guess I'm kind of lost on the timeline when they were like, showing me unseen footage of Marlowe talking about her nephew being shot. It's like, so we, so we didn't know about this until you're showing us the unseen footage now? Yeah. So it hadn't like made a splash on the show. Like it wasn't talked about because there wasn't really any drama surrounding it until now. And so, I mean, the edit is kind of framing this as though it's something.

that Marlowe's just kind of pulling out of her back pocket to try to, like, have conflict with candy. But yeah, so I guess there was some previously unseen footage where they kind of hug it out and talk about this a little bit, or at least one scene between Candy and Marlowe. But, yeah, it hasn't been a storyline up until this season. Yeah, that's the impression I got. So almost immediately I was like, well, Marlowe, I don't know what to tell you. Like you got to just let it go.

Yeah. Like 11 years ago, she doesn't even remember it. And probably rightfully so, she was like, yeah, he doesn't work here anymore. I don't know what is tell you. I think the shooting was more recent. I think the shooting was like 2020. But yeah, in the, their like conflict and their complex relationship goes back all the way to 2011. Right.

Yeah, as as seen in the flashback. Yeah. What were your highlights from this episode? I like when they're, I guess it was Kenya showing off her new building that she got to set up her business in or whatever. Oh, yeah. But no matter, at least for the first three scenes, it didn't matter what the location was.

It was just like, two people go to this place and then talk about men. So they're like, go into the building, put on their hard hats and sit down. Then they're like, so how are you going to date? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe ask me about my. new business or something like that, but I'll figure out, I guess I'll figure out dating. And then I was like, let's see this escape. As soon as they were like, we're going to an escape

room. I was like, no, they're not. I bet they don't step foot in that room. Yeah. So then by the end of the episode when they were like next week on, I was like, damn, dude, I might be watching next week. Yeah. I got to see how this escape room shakes down. I feel like they're not going to show the escape room. We got just like a little bit of a commercial for it at the at the tail end where they the bomb going off. I would have liked to see that play into the conflict. Obviously Candy just could not keep her

cool when she showed up. The confrontation just had to come right out of the gate, which I'm sure the producers were a little bit disappointed that it played out the way it would add that it did because there would have been really

interesting storytelling opportunities to build the tension between the women while also building the tension with the game. So it did feel like that was a little bit of a miss opportunity, but I thought that this fight was really engaging to watch. It would have been great if right when they blow up at each other, the paint bomb blows up too and they start shouting

and then just get splattered with paint. Yeah. But you can't have it all. Yeah. I wanted to see them hell and a sell it up for sure. That's what I thought. I was like, if you put all them in a room together, it's going down. Yeah.

They're going to be fighting people they didn't know they wanted to fight just to get a punch in. Totally. What other highlights did you have from this? I love when she was talking to her. I don't know if it's a husband or a partner. I'm disconnected, but she's like, you know, whenever I have a surgery, you got to have a surgery. And he's like, I've never had surgery. He's like, you've had three.

He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't forget you had three surgeries. Well, one of them was brain surgeries. so. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, that's not true. No, she lists them.

She says, what does she say? She says, like, too, like in the face region or something. And then she says, like, and then the other one. It's like picture and picture. Yeah, they do an insert of his crotch just to make it clear. I love the editing choice there. The editor is continuing to have a ton of fun putting together real hostiles with lineup. Yeah.

Yeah. It seemed like in some of the sections, like when they were at, what was her name? Is it Sonia? Yeah. When they were at her house, I think, and they're just kind of like showing the family dynamic and whatever. And I feel like they were trying so hard to edit it to be like, she's mean. Look how rude she's being to her family. And I was like, I just don't think these editors have ever like just been around black families. Like that's just like, she's interacting with her sister. And they're trying so hard to be like, she's mean, huh? It's like, I don't know. She seemed like she was having fun. I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, they are really trying to like make this dynamic feel like a big conflict when it seems like maybe it's being overplayed in the story. But I don't know if that's because Sonia is not really giving us much to work with or have a reason to care about her story. But yeah, I mean, I think both positions are kind of understandable, are all the positions in the family. It's just a, you know, Sonia wants to have her own space. And I think that's fair. And yeah, I don't know. I do think it was really canny in the editor's part to end that scene, uh, with, uh, with Sonia going up to the kid and who's being like, oh, you know, I lost my tooth. And, uh, and, you know, she's like, uh, yeah, well, you know, of course it's going to hurt. Because when you're, you know, you're missing something and you, it always feels a little weird when

something that's always there is missing or something as like a bit of a metaphorical reference to the member of her families that she might be missing, at least that her sister is insisting that she's got to be missing once they're God. I thought that was a very cany little move to like put a little, a little bit of a metaphor in at the end of the scene. Yeah. The perfect type of show to put that sort of stuff in, too. It's always hilarious when it's like super dramatic sort of like, you know,

it's not high class television. And then you get those little moments for your like, nicely done production team. Yeah, I think like if you watch these shows for a long time and like really focus on them, you see a lot more of that than you would expect to see. It definitely does not have the reputation of having this multi-layered storytelling voice. But it absolutely does like, yeah, This is a great example of that.

Yeah, the characters come across, like, despite it being obviously like the drama is ramped up, and they're kind of generating conflicts constantly where it's like, why don't you guys go for drinks on a boat or something like that? Yeah. Despite the producers kind of meddling in whatever way they do, the characters all come off very earnestly where you're like, oh, these are just people living their lives in some way. Particularly with Atlanta, I found, like, oh, these are just people living their lives.

and they've agreed to be followed or whatever. That's why some of them are just not as exciting as other ones. Yeah. And this was a really, like, great episode in terms of showing this, their, like, personal home dynamic. Like, there was a lot of very warm scenes at home where we see, like, I'm thinking specifically about, like, Shere's scene where she's got her grandbaby there and just a really, like, warm scene. And then, you know, I thought it was a very good balancing dynamic to what happens at the end of the episode where it's just such a heated conflict where there's, you know, it's such a heated external conflict. Yeah. It was at that point in the episode where I was like, is this show different than the other ones?

Like, is it just nice? Because everyone's nice. Like, Kyro's baby's cute. He's spending time with grandma. It's like, yeah, this is all adorable, wholesome stuff. Now I don't want any of them to fight because I think they're all nice. Yeah. And that does like it does, you know, definitely color and change your perspective.

Seeing these scenes and, you know, seeing how multi-dimensional these people are in a way that you don't get in other forms of narrative fiction. Like, you know, typically if you're watching a movie or like reading a novel, like reading a novel. Yeah, you've got a lot of examples of multi-dimensional villains, but they're still like a villainy to the core of them. They, they're still always going to be mostly on like one side of the conflict, just because it's a lot easier to, um, to get whatever point across, like, whatever point you're trying to make across. using, you know, people in pieces that represent, that represent aspects of the whatever vision you're trying to communicate. I don't think I'm articulating myself well here, but I think it's just, it's a lot less common to have characters that are both,

you know, good and bad at the same time. and seeing that play out and being really empathetic towards them in one scene and then in the next scene being like, oh, you're like so out of line and so wrong here. I think that is something that does make it a little hard to get into following these shows a little bit and really embracing that nuance. But it's something that is a totally unique element in reality TV as far as. I'm concerned. Yeah.

So I was just trying to get a pure impression of a person is going to come off like less clear and distinct as if it would if it was totally constructed. Like getting the little kids handprint in the clay. You know, it's going to come off a little weird and mushy. But then you need the little producers there to kind of push it back in the shape to make sure it looks a little bit more of the way it's supposed to. Yeah. Because ultimately these people like aren't characters.

They're just people. Yeah. Well, they're a combination of the two. They're a combination of people and characters. Yeah. I'm sure they have compulsion to like play things up at certain points and and not play things up at other points. But ultimately they really come across as human, which is nice.

Yeah. And they always have to balance that, you know, the character that they're trying to portray and what's going to be good for TV with their real life stakes. Like how are their actions going to impact their reputation or, you know, external relationships with people? or their businesses and brands. It's always a balancing act for sure. Yeah, I think, like, I mean, in this show particularly,

like Marlowe kind of talks about it where they're like, she's violent, she's violent. And they show the replay where she's got like her hands on her hips and she's not really getting in her face at all. Yeah. And yeah, it's like, I guess when you got to be careful how you frame things, because she discusses how it's like, I don't want to be this violent black woman because that looks bad.

So, like, I guess the producers probably have to be equally careful with how they frame things to them to, not do that because that's not what it's about it's about the people yeah for sure and i thought that this was a really i was glad that we saw this conversation because you know drew has been talking about you know how she doesn't use the word shooting or people from chicago don't use shooting like talking about you know trying to trying to frame her actions as being this like enlightened point of view where she's careful about using harmful language, but then is the one that is most visibly using like problematic and harmful language

by constantly referring to Marlowe as aggressive and threatening and using these terms that are like constantly being used to harm black people. And it's yeah. So it was, I'm really glad that we got this scene of Sonia like calling, that out. And you really see how kind of the other click, like the group that left, you see how they're actually really kind of the parties instigating things when at least, again, the way it's framed by the producers is Marlowe's inside kind of being like, it's not really fair of the way they're treating me because I'm not a violent person, at least not for the last 23 years or whatever. Yeah. And then they cut to outside and Drew's out there like shadow boxing, like,

I'd take you down in one punch. And it's like, yeah. The vibe is way different. inside. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was also really funny to me when, uh, when Drew's, uh, saying about like, oh, if Marlowe gets up in my face, like that old, uh, that old Chicago is going to come back and, and Ralph's being like, yeah, I don't know about that, man. Like, yeah, I think where Ralph says, yeah, Marlowe, that's a big one. Like, yeah, yeah, I would have Ralph on this one.

I think if Drew tried to fight Barlow, I think that she would be on the floor pretty quick. Yeah, for sure. I loved when when Candy was like I'm only crying because I can't choke your ass If I could choke you I wouldn't be crying right now Yeah

The moment where she says to Like Kenya like don't hold me back Felt so much more real than when like someone like Jacks or James does it on Vanderpump where they're like expecting to be held back So that they don't have to fight Yeah

Candy definitely seemed like she wanted to fight. Yeah. Candy went into fight mode in like real fight mode, like you said, like not like show fight mode, which is great. I love seeing like battle candy come out. Like the physicality is so great in that scene because also let's be real. Like Marlowe is instigating some stuff too, right?

Like she's not like just like standing around. And she knows what she's doing too. She's pretty catty about that. But she's a lot more subtle in her movement. It's like Drew says like all she has to do is shift her weight. And that's that's totally it. she's she's really good at like just kind of like changing her angle doing a tap or something and like setting people off she wants to set candy off and then candy gets set off and she's like totally like like fury fight mode and the clash between like marlowe's like more like languorous kind of physicality and candy's like extremely high energy physicality was like very entertaining to me yeah and i think marlow is a very like very smart and strategic housewife i I thought her, when Candy comes in and immediately, like, starts confronting Marlowe, Marlowe takes her and like, let's talk, let's take this aside.

And, you know, that's a very like seasoned move. And I feel like she needed to sort of, she knew that everyone at that table would probably mostly be on Candy's side, at least the people that, you know, have the social. currency to take a side in this, that they would be on, on Candy's side. So getting this conversation to happen away from the table was definitely the smart move. But she also realizes that, you know, Candy is smart and it's better that Candy won't want to be going one-on-one when she doesn't have to. So she kind of capitulates and like says, you know, we'll bring Drew over because this involves her so that, you know, Candy still maintains somewhat of an advantage here. And she's able to be like, you know, let's talk this out. You can retain a bit of an advantage.

And, you know, that makes it a more agreeable proposition for Candy to go along. And I thought that that was a very like seasoned move on, on Marlowe's part. but yeah I think they both like were sort of right so it was like the right thing to do to just be like let's just talk about it let's see where we're both coming from and I think they could easily both just like see where one another are coming from she can't send her flowers retroactively yeah so just maybe you can apologize and be like hey I was wrong about that maybe I should have done something and then it's kind of just over but at the same time it's like Marlowe it's like it's such a small thing it's really not what you're making enough. out to be, you know? But at the same time, the specific detail is a small thing, yes. But I think, like, we have to take into account that that Marlowe is probably still feeling a lot of grief over this. Like, like, as mentioned, her nephews aren't, like, distant people. She doesn't know, like, she's taking care of nephews as if they're her own children. Like, I think that it should also be taken into consideration that this probably is, that she probably is still grieving because of this.

And that's what makes this, like, a really interesting conflict that they're building off us because it involves something that is like such a real, uh, deep and, and hurtful thing. It involves somebody's death when so many of these conflicts in housewife shows are just built on the stupidest like somebody said a word I didn't like, uh, bullshit. Uh,

and, um, and the, the, the reason why she's using this to like, go at candy might not be like a great reason, but the reason why she would feel angriished and upset is like, the most real reason there is.

Uh, you know, it's, it's actual grief. And I think that's what makes this a little more complicated is that it can be true at the same time that Marlowe is using this as a TV moment and using this as a reason to start a conflict and that she's also grieving and going through a lot of pain. Both things can be true. Like the fact that she's using this as fuel for her TV show doesn't make it fake. Does it make her feelings fake? And that's why I think it's it's kind of unfair and disrespectful for Candy to later be like going through text

messages and be like, oh, look, five days later, she was talking about cameo on text message, like, as if that proves that she's not, like, actually grieving. Like, you don't get to do that. You don't get to tell somebody like, oh, your grief isn't real because it doesn't look the way that I expected to based on these text messages, you know? So I think it was a bad look for Candy, who is a, like you say, isn't without a case here, right? That in a sense that she's saying that Marlowe's blowing this out of proportion, uh, she's, you know, she's got a point there. But it's a bad look for her. her to then go in the parking lot and kind of seem to question her grief. And then also continuously repeat the whole slashing the face incident over and over again.

And just that one thing, that one thing from her past, they just repeat again and again and again as if to try to make that. Like, Marlowe's whole personality is also like an unfair thing to do. So I thought the whole like post-conflict argument in the parking lot, or not argument, but the whole rehashing of it in the parking lot was like a very a bad look for them and unfair to Marlowe. Yeah. And I don't think that Candie's like text message receipts were the proof that she thought it was. Because the way that I kind of read into the message talking about Cameo was like, oh, there's been five days between when Marlowe says, you know, hey, my nephew who used to work for you died.

And Candy's like, oh, man, that's too bad. I'm sorry. then no communication for five days. And so maybe just like she's just wanting to make contact to see if she can maybe extend that like conversation and just get a little bit more out of Candy by just putting something lighthearted and unrelated out there. Like, you know, oh, hey, like you should check out this cameo thing. Obviously Candy knows what cameo is because she's a reality star. They're all on there. So just to be like, oh, yeah, you should check this, this camera.

cameo thing out, you know, she's probably not looking to sign Candy up for cameo. She's probably looking for Candy to be like, oh, how are you holding up? Like, is there anything I can do? Like, that's that. It felt to me like that was the dialogue that she was trying to get. And obviously, it seems like Candy didn't pick that up on that. But, yeah, that's what it read as to me, at least. Yeah.

And even if she was just trying to get her to sign up for Cameo, because she gets a bonus for signing up her friend or something. Who cares? It doesn't prove anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sometimes, actually, when you're grieving, it's nice to just think about something that's normal. Mm-hmm. Like signing your friends up for cameo. Did either of you guys have any other highlights from Atlanta? I did really like, I thought Sheree had a really good line when she was, you know, asked the question. Like, how's your love life? You're getting more than two pumps? And she says, two pumps.

Am I a moisturizer? That's good. a good one. So, props there for that. It's about it. Yeah, just want to shout out again to the editors on this. I really loved when Candy is on the phone.

It's like, you know, that girl I don't really mess with? And then there's the graphic of Courtney, like, laughing with her, like, jaw.

Yeah. Really reminded me of, like, a South Park. So I was really excited about that. Yeah. Glad to see they're picking up on Courtney's borderline. Monique energy.

Yeah, totally. Let's talk about Real Housewives of Orange County, the series that started it all. Episode two for this season, Tyler, what were your thoughts on Orange County? I was thrilled. I didn't, maybe I'm crazy,

but I didn't know my boy Terry DeBrow was involved in this show. So I was thrilled to see him, big botched fan. Yeah. A big botched boy over here. I'm a botchy boy. boy. Yeah, so that was awesome. I was glad to see that their family's like pretty normal.

They seemed like one of the kind of like down to earth type, like they're not mixing it up too much, which was nice. Yeah, they definitely are like not as out there as other people on Orange County are. Yeah, which is kind of, not that I expected, you know, Terry to really be an out there kind of guy, but nice to see. Yeah. I mean, they are out there in a sense where they're like buying monogram towels for their twins. Yes. Yeah, I was going to say they seem a little bit more like, like, almost like obsessive, compulsive in the way that they were framing her where it's like I need this, this, this monogram, this.

Yeah. Yeah, this one was fun. I like this one a lot. This one was kind of like the drama was there. The comedy was there. But the stakes seemed very low. for whatever reason. Like, who meets up pretty early on?

Tamara and... And Shannon? Yeah, to talk about their friendship. Yeah. And I love when the wasp, they're kind of talking, like a wasp flies in front of her, and both of them just like stop the conversation. You'd be like, ah, oh, ah.

Which again just kind of shows like, these are real people. It's not like the producers could be like, can you just say that again? Can you start the conversation again and talk about, whatever with the same emotion. It's like, no, sometimes a wasp flies in your face,

you know? Yeah. Yeah, in that one, Tamara has a great line where she's like, you've been a great friend to me. And she's like, sometimes,

you're like, you've kind of this offhanded where they're both like, we've clearly both been great friends to each other. And they definitely agree on that. Yeah. Yeah, this was a really great scene. This was one of my highlights as well.

I think Shannon is really wanting. to, you know, to, she sees Tamara coming back as like a potential ally here. But Tamara's, you know, kind of holding fast in her wanting to be a free agent. Like she's not signing a contract with the three amegas. She's, she's going to free agency. It was, and there's kind of like a fun sort of foreshadowing here where she's calling her out on her drinking. Yeah.

Where she's like, you've got to stop drinking. Your husband said. that everyone says that you're an alcoholic, this, this and that. And then, yeah, you get to the end of the show later. And she's, like, screaming, wasted on a boat. Like, I'm going to jump off this boat. I'm going to go overboard. I really like that conversation where Tamara's, like,

implying that Shannon is a drunk. And then immediately after the waitress comes up and Shannon, you can see Shannon being like, should I order a drink or no? Let me get a belvedere soda, please. Which I still didn't even take as like, oh, what an alcoholic. I took it almost more as her being like, I'm going to have one right now, in fact, right in front of you. I don't even know what a belvedere soda is. So she like definitely threw this out there as this drink that you might not know is alcoholic or not.

Is it? Yeah. Yeah, that's a vodka. Oh, okay. She was on the sauce. Yeah. There's like weird drinking habits. It's like there was a at the prior conversation when they sit down and they're like, I'll get a drink and a diet Coke.

Yeah. She's like, ooh, ooh, I'll do that too. It's like, we're so alike. I don't know. I think she maybe just thought it was a good idea. They seem to be claiming that it's like a Midwest thing, right? Midwest pride, we're digging a diet Coke with our drink. Yeah, that was a whole weird because she's like, she's like, look, I'm having a sip of each.

That was really funny. It was so awkward. She's like, I'm drinking two drinks at the same time. And then she counts with like one, two. Yay. I love how, I love how like just dorky and awkward these women are. That's great. Yeah, that's why I like them.

Again, it seems like just friends getting along. They're human. They're not like, yeah, they're kind of goofy. Yeah. I mean, last week, we didn't, we didn't even talk about this last week. But last week we saw Emily drinking out of a dog bowl on a hike. Yeah. Yeah, they're relatively normal.

You've got to conserve water in California. That's smart. Legally, I had to do that. But they always order champagne. Like, we have seen so often them order champagne. Like, Emily ordered a Diet Coke champagne at that. Yeah, in episode one, they ordered champagne at a bowling alley. It was amazing.

Yeah. I think Tamara and Shannon both ordered champagne at their lunch, too. Yeah. It's like it drank. down there. I love how they feel like very Hollywood adjacent. Like they're not quite like this real true Hollywood thing. Like the way the one girl's like, I'm going to take some acting classes. Can you come with me and give me tips? Yeah. That's what the class is for. The coach is not going to be stoked if you're like, no, my friend's going to give me the tips if that's all right.

So it's like they're so close to like kind of being in the real thick of it, but they're not. But they're also so far away. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's fascinating. about it. They're like close to like a big, uh, you know, a big world city and like a center of culture, but they're also like so out on the hinterlands in this zone of like suburban sprawl where you see when they do like the montages of like where we are. And it's just all identical houses in these neighborhoods where you have to like, you know, drive a car for two miles to do anything whatsoever. And they're like, yeah, they're they're close to everything, but also so. removed from everything at the same time.

That's what I was talking about this a little bit in the previous show, but they develop it even more here. And I love that vibe of them just being kind of like a lot of these people from like, you know, Midwest backgrounds and stuff who don't necessarily come from this milieu and come to this, this like kind of sterile world of like empty wealth with like no culture out in the hinterland. And, uh, and they're just kind of like living in a world with, with almost no culture, which I think is great. because a lot of these shows, like Atlanta, New Jersey and Miami, which you've covered before,

they have that great sense of a regional culture. You know, you mentioned that with New Jersey. You've got like those great vibe of these Italian families in New Jersey. You know, you really get to understand a little bit about like the southern black American families and stuff in Atlanta too. You know, often these shows have like this great sense of a regional culture. Orange County has none of that. It's just like white women in the void. Yeah.

That's what you could call the show. Like just a vacuum of like, of like recently wealthy white women who have who are just like milling about in athleisure wear with no culture making some old like old El Paso tacos and like unwrapping frozen pizzas and just like. The tacos really stood out to me too. Yeah. And it was like even in Orange County, this mom was like, let's do white people tacos. Let's get the, where, you know, I get the, and then you just put it together yourself, but she has none of the ingredients.

So it's just like, yeah, it's kind of just meat and beans. Yeah. But I'm loving that guy. How, like, great Mexican food you can get in Los Angeles. Yeah. If you drive several miles, you know, you could get amazing food on it on any street quarter. But here, it's like, all right, we'll put the little old El Paso spice packet sauce on the ground beef and that that'll be it. Yeah.

It's fun to see. Which is good. Don't get me wrong. That is. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But I do love this vibe of just like kind of losers and yoga pads just like try to figure out what their life is together in this like vacant parking lot-esque space. Yeah.

They're just like bored. Yeah. There is this like need that they all seem to have to like define something like some sort of notable thing. thing about themselves. And I guess that is like true of every, every series and everyone, but they seem like especially needy for it. Like they don't have this sort of rich culture or, you know, anything else really. They've got enough money where they don't need to really worry about things that a lot of people have to worry about, not enough where it's lending them a culture like Dylan, you pointed out last episode.

But yeah, it's enough where it just keeps them bored. And that's interesting. Yeah, they only have little scraps of regional culture they brought with them from the Midwest, like drinking a diet Pepsi at the same time you have a martini or whatever. Yeah. So we're the most clear to that. All the most bizarre cultures come and become this melting pot of just weird whiteness. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, Jen sweater she's wearing that says, I burn sage and bridges as needed is like the perfect, like, cringe white woman sweater. I kind of want one. Yeah. It's such a perfect. A bit of like lame white woman apparel.

Love it. That's like a good encapsulation of Orange County in that like, I'm sure she went to like a local store and bought that off a rack there. Like someone's making money selling sweaters like that there. Yeah. Absolutely. Or Etsy, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Did you guys have any other highlights from Real Houseways of Orange County? I got, there's a couple good lines. Like when they're talking about doing this flamingo party and the whole thing is just like, yeah, it's kind of like a party in the spirit of the flamingo. All right. What is that? What do they typically? Just stand on one leg the whole time. Yeah, they just kind of hang around, don't they?

Yeah. Okay. And then when she mentions a micro fridge, then you're like, oh, that's going to be like a small fridge. And then she goes, it's like a fridge with a microwave attached. What hell is that? I don't need that. Yeah, Gina was really like when she was putting together this party theme, just really like kind of throwing it out, like just not putting any effort into it whatsoever. And then gets COVID and doesn't even attend.

Amazing. Yeah, like you're going to serve shrimp because flamingos eat shrimp. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah, I will be serving shrimp. I never thought of that. But yeah, I think there will be a shrimp there. I also really love that Emily's husband is just like going around telling everybody who will listen.

Flamingos are pink because they eat shrimp, you know. That was very relatable to me. That's the kind of thing I do. I thought that was great. Also the kind of thing I do that was relatable to me is Chad and being like when they're on the boat. Like, this is often the place where they're seals. Look, there might be seals here. Yeah.

Yeah, she came across as such a like seven-year-old like, mom, mom, look, mommy, mom. Obviously trying to just like put her foot in the story that was going on. But the way she was doing it was so funny. Like didn't have a story of her own to tell. So she just had to be like, is that John's son? Yeah. I think that's John's son out there. And then when they confront her, her apology is, I did.

think it was John's son. Yeah. All right. Apology accepted. I also really love the multiple shots they have of women walking up the staircase on that boat, that narrow, dangerous staircase wearing the worst possible footwear for it, all wearing these gigantic heels precariously perched on that staircase. It's going to be a miracle if nobody twists their ankle by the time they get off of that.

And, uh, totally. Yeah. Just funny, they kept showing that. They kept showing closest to that. Like the production crew, no, this is like a ticking time bomb. Yeah. They're like, come on. Come on.

That's how they're building tension through this. Yeah. Like, I think they're foreshadowing something. Yeah. What did, what did you think about, uh, Heather's performance during, during this episode? Which one's Heather? Uh, so Heather is Terry Debrow's wife. Oh, sure.

I thought she's great. She seems like a nice. lady. I don't know. I like her. Yeah, I think Heather is like, well, I think this is a generally pretty likable cast. I thought, so this is Heather's second season back since taking a hiatus. She was on for a number of seasons and then she went on hiatus and focused on getting her castle built and now she's back.

And I thought that we were seeing her show her like veterans. chops in this. She was definitely trying to make sure that Tamara and Shannon do not form an alliance. Like, she was, anytime that they were together, she was constantly like swooping in and... Literally sitting between them. Yeah, literally sitting between Emily and Tamara, like, definitely trying to isolate Tamara and wanting her on her side. And it was like, she was playing it off really, like casually. But to me, it seemed like very apparent what she was doing.

It doesn't sound like any of the housewives have picked up on, you know, this extra attention that she's giving Tamara. But I thought it was notable to me. I'm curious to see how that's going to play out in the season. Yeah, I think that's a really good read. I didn't really see it that way, but I think that would totally make sense. And also like that Emily still seems to be actually. acting like she's like the Tamara whisperer like she's just approaching you like a wild

animal. I will calm you down and tame you. And Heather doesn't really seem to want her to do that. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to be sort of interesting because we've already seen like Heather take information that is coming from Shannon and, you know, feed it to Tamara in a way that is going to position them for conflict. That is, you know, that's,

that's smart if you can do it and continuously do it very subtly. Like that's kind of the name of the housewife game. But if people catch on to what you're doing, that's something that can very easily like blow up in your face. So you're going to need to be really careful about it. I am curious to see whether Heather is able to, you know, kind of execute on this strategy throughout the rest of the season. Or if she's going to get caught for it.

Mm-hmm. I want to say that I owe an apology to Gina too. We were doing tag lines the little previous episode where I hadn't actually heard the tank legs yet and Craig was reading them to me. And I said that I thought that Gina's take line about comparing my past to my presence as like apples to oranges. I thought it was just like weird and like just kind of surreal and stuff. Actually hearing her say it before the episode, it clicked to me and I realized that she was making a pun. She's talking about going from New York City to Orange County. Yeah.

From the big apple to orange. I didn't pick up on that. So sorry. I wasn't familiar with your game, Gina. I see what you're doing there now. And now that I see that it makes a little bit more sense, I want to change my rating. It was A plus before.

It's just going to be an A now. It's got to be a little fucking weird for me to really love it. So Emily is winning the taglines game right now with her. If you're going to waste my time, at least a little bit too coherent. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Someone on our YouTube channel on the clip that we posted actually pointed that out. Yeah, it didn't click for me either.

But yeah, totally, totally makes a lot more sense now. And yeah, she gets downgraded in the rankings as a result. Yeah, yeah, be weirder next time. Yeah. Any other highlights from Orange County? The workout montage of Emily that ends with the little dog licking her face and her just being like, please stop licking me. Yeah. It was really great.

I don't know. Just loved that. I remember who it was, but at some point someone was like, I look. up ghosting. That is not what I did. Yeah, Shadden says that. On a technicality, I did not ghost. Yeah. Okay. Because I did reach out.

Awesome. Well, I think that about does it for me as well. Thank you so much for doing this, Tyler. Do you want to let people know where they can find you? Yeah. So my home address is, no, yeah. You can just find me all around town, man. I'm at Rumors Comedy Club all the time, doing shows there. all around town. Wherever you can find comedy, you can find me in the night. That's in Winnipeg for anyone that's not listening. How about online? Where can people find you?

I am good and funny comedian on Instagram. I recently paid to be verified, so please make that a profitable venture for me. And yeah, I'm not, that's really, I'm the same thing on TikTok. If you want to follow me on TikTok, I'm doing little dances. Right on. I'm teaching nurses. new TikTok dances. And I'm doing them with them. Yeah, that's where you can find me.

Awesome. Dylan, how about yourself? You can find me on substack writing about movies. Dylan Ferguson. And it's my birthday, by the way. Just wanted to make sure. Oh, yeah, happy birthday. I didn't say that.

I didn't want to interrupt the intro, but happy birthday. Yeah, I noticed he didn't say that, actually. I'm taking it over right now. I always hate when the guest... This guy's never coming back on the show. I hate when the host has to be like, That voice you just heard is our guest today. I'll wait till spoken to.

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