Breaking News from Pod Save America - EXPLOSIVE Epstein Files Put Trump at War With MAGA

Episode Date: February 4, 2026

NEW Epstein file revelations are shaking Trump world and splitting MAGA. Tommy Vietor and Brian Tyler Cohen react to the latest bombshell details. You’re 30 seconds away from being debt free with PDS Debt. Get your free assessment and find the best option for you at https://PDSDebt.com/rank. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Start selling on Deepop, where Taste recognizes taste. All right, Brian, we have now had a few days to consume the horrors that are contained within the Epstein files that were released by the Department of Justice last week, or at least the files that Attorney General Pam Bondi released and did not redact or light on fire to protect her boss. In a second, we're going to play for you guys some of Trump's truly discussing attempts to spin away this controversy. But let's just do some takeaways first based on all that we've unfortunately had to read. I personally, Brian, had just been stunned by the global nature of Epstein's crimes and relationships. I thought this guy is a rich asshole, a pedophile pig who lives in New York and uses his money in connections to avoid accountability or at least duck accountability for way too long. But the reality was far more shocking to me. I mean, this guy had relationships with multiple royal families.

So he's in the UK and in Norway. He was getting forwarded unbelievably sensitive information from a top advisor to Tony Blair, like literally got tipped off on the UK or the Eurozone's response to their debt crisis, which is like exactly. the kind of market-moving information that he could trade off of and make money. The guy who sent him that is probably going to be prosecuted, by the way. He had contacts in the Gulf. There's audio files of Epstein talking with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak about his post-government life. And then it's just like, this shouldn't surprise anyone. But the amount of lies that are being exposed by these emails are just, it's remarkable.

Like Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik said he cut ties with Epstein in 2005. Turns out he went to the island in 2012. Elon Musk was like, never met the guy, don't even know him. Now we see an email from Elon being like, when is the wildest party on your island? And like, can I get there? Reid Hoffman from LinkedIn seems hellbent on tweeting as much information about himself and his connections to Epstein as possible. There are even darker emails.

There's like threats from Epstein to women. He sends the physical address of a Russian woman that he said was talking about a sexual relationship she was having with one of Epstein's friends to a guy who was connected with Russian intelligence, like where she was staying at the time. So, I mean, just shockingly creepy stuff. Anything jump out at you, both in terms of, like, specific stories or thematically that you think is important? Yeah, I also want to add Kevin Warsh, who is Trump's pick for the Fed chair. His name is in the Epstein files as well. So even the people who Trump continues to staff his administration with, those people also are in the Epstein files. It's this

whole orbit that just, you know, like when you hear about these, about like the Q&ON folks talk about how there's this just cabal, this whole echelon of people who are involved in all of this stuff, we're actually seeing that at play right now. And it's everybody in Trump's orbit. Like you said, Steve Bannon, Elon Musk, Trump himself, Kevin Warsh, Howard Lutnik. I mean, these people, when you wonder why nothing happens, it's because all of the people who need protecting are the people who have access to all of this stuff in the first place. But to answer your question, there was actually one email in particular that was probably the most gut-wrenching to have seen. And it was from redacted to Jeffrey Epstein. Thanks for last night, your littlest girl was a little

naughty. And I'm paraphrasing there. The irony of an email like that, first of all, who sent that email that you need to redact the name? Like if you're only, if you're only, redacting victims information. Was it a victim that was thanking Epstein for a great time with his littlest girl? And second of all, we had just heard from Todd Blanche, I think, on January 30th. So just a few days ago, the Deputy Attorney General, that, again, nobody else was involved, no co-conspirators. Apparently Jeffrey Epstein was just trafficking girls, nowhere to no one, a thousand girls that just got trafficked nowhere. But we have emails like this that directly contradict his claim. And so all that does,

is make us double down on this idea that, in fact, the administration does have something to hide. Because when you see an email like that, that would be a pretty easy, a pretty easy gimme in terms of figuring out who one of Epstein's co-conspirators was, and yet that's the kind of stuff that they redact. By the way, there were plenty of victims' information that did show up in these files. So they had all the time in the world to redact this stuff that would help the co-conspirators, but apparently not enough resources to actually protect the survivors. Yeah, unfortunately, they released the names of victims. unredacted images of people naked.

I mean, just like, look, this was a very rushed time frame because it was mandated by Congress. Now, they missed the deadline in that statute, but still, I think, you know, redacting three plus million documents is really challenging. But I do worry that you're right, that the focus was on covering up, yeah. Especially when your priority is protecting the accomplices and not the victims. I mean, that's an entirely different story altogether. Yep. Yeah, I read these thinking, like, God, the QAnonon people.

people were right, but then they were like, let's vote for Epstein's, like, closest confidant. And that's the thing. Like, there is some part of me that feels like, like, I owe the whole movement an apology because I did scoff at this idea. No, no, no one knows them an apology. They were talking about fucking drinking, liberals drinking the blood of children, like insane shit. Like, I mean, look, like, you know, you go off a cliff when you start talking about- Epstein's relationship with Donald Trump was well fucking known. If these Epstein people had just decided they cared about it, they could have, but they don't actually care about the victims. They wanted to make this about taking out liberals.

The New York Times says Trump has mentioned in the documents at least 38,000 times. I don't think he seems chastened by that fact. Earlier this week, Trump was asked by CNN's Caitlin Collins about what he'd say to Epstein's victims who feel like they haven't gotten justice. Let's watch. Yeah, what did you say? What would you say to the survivors who really have gone? You are the worst reporter. No wonder.

CNN has no ratings because of people like you. You know, she's a young woman. I don't think I've ever seen you smile. I've known you for 10 years. I don't think I've ever seen a smile in your face. You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth. So, Brian, I know, like, we have a pretty low bar for Donald Trump,

but it comes to, you know, humanity. But that was one of the most, like, tone-deaf, sexist, patronizing. And you would think politically disastrous answers he could have possibly given in that moment. and yet he just doesn't care. It's like 90s, like 90s movie villain style misogyny. Like telling a woman to smile more is like, I mean, I don't even know what to say because victims of sexual abuse. Correct.

What the fuck? I mean, like, you don't think that you actually hear people say that other than just as a way to kind of satirize like misogynist. Like he chose the thing. He's become a parody of himself. He chose the thing that is so. like off the rails that people use it again to satirize like what misogynist would say and what they sound like and by the way uh you know if he wants a woman to smile more maybe maybe don't protect

pedophiles maybe don't engage in yeah maybe maybe don't engage in a year long cover up of a notorious pedophile ring and then maybe you'll get the smiles that you're so desperate for yeah again i guess we shouldn't be surprised you know he called a woman journalist on air force one piggy one time and he's like a notorious scumbag and misogynist and asshole but but But let me ask you this. Like when you hear stuff like that, when you hear the piggy thing, when you hear him tell Caitlin Collins to smile more, I know that there's not going to be some great awakening from people who already knew who he was and voted for him anyway or support him and his party. But do you think that this has some impact on the margins?

Do you think that there's, you know, a few people out there who see this and just say like, fuck him and fuck him and fuck the party that emboldens him and backs him? And this is just like, again, I know this is not going to be the last straw for everybody. but do you think it's the last draw for anybody? I think probably there's certainly people who come across that clip on their social media feeds and just think like, okay, he's a pig. I'm done with him. As a general matter, I don't think like Trump as a rude person or asshole really moves the needle because it's so priced in.

I do think, though, that his handling of the Epstein files is pushing away people that supported him in 2024. So one example is this guy named Sean Ryan. He has a massive show, a podcast and YouTube show. He's got like five or six million followers. Mostly he focused on sort of military stuff. Like he was a special forces guy. But in August of 2024, he interviewed Trump.

He endorsed him before the election. And now Sean Ryan is just gone. He's like, the way Trump is covering up the Epstein files is like one of the most demoralizing things he's seen is sort of the tenured tone of his posts. And that guy is talking to a lot of people about politics who may be voted for the first time or, you know, who knows what their political leanings are. but I do think, like, there's certainly ways that he can push away in particular new voters and not, but probably not like the hardcore base. I would also add that, you know, the Tim Dillans and Joe Rogans and Andrew Schultz's of the world, flagrant podcast guys, all of those people seem to be moving away as well. And, and, you know, I'm conflicted with this because on one hand, my, like, deep-seated mentality on all of this is you don't hold grudges, you just, you know, all it matters.

is winning moving forward. This is not about my ego or how I feel about somebody and we just need to build up a coalition and welcome anybody into the tent who's going to help us win in the future. But there's like a small nagging part of me that's just like,

what the fuck did you guys think was going to happen when you voted in somebody who Jeffrey Epstein called his best friend for a decade? What did you think was going to happen when you voted for the guy who was holding mass deportations now signs? at his rallies. Like,

80 million of us knew what the fuck was going to happen, but these dumb motherfuckers on these podcasts. Burry this. This tone is how we destroy any effort to bring new people into the fold. We just sound obnoxious assholes. Like, Joe Biden was dying before our very eyes. Like, it wasn't a great alternative. Like,

I just think, like, that emotion is useless to anyone. I know. Well, I did caveat with this idea that it goes against. You did a big caveat that a big wind up. but I'm like, how can we drive Joe Rogan away? No, I see this all the time.

Look, I hear you. Like, I get the frustration that people have, and you're right. Like, there were mass deportation now signs at events, but I just, you know, like, whatever, we got to welcome these people. Again, like, I think the important thing, like, look, politics is not about anybody's ego. I have to check myself all the time. Again, what is important is, like, moving forward, making sure that we build as big a coalition as we can to defeat Trump and defeat Republicans, how, you know, with whoever we can, a vote

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When Epstein was alive, like 10 years ago, nobody cared about it. But they're only doing it. But now it's really hitting back on them because Bill Clinton is such a big part of it. The Democrats are pushing it. And the problem is that it's turning out to be the Democrats that were with and conspired with Epstein. So I think you're probably going to see a little pullback. from them. But think of it. They were working together to try and help me lose the election. But this is the Oval Office. So I guess that didn't work out too well. So Brian, I think what

Trump is alluding to there are some emails that are admittedly very bizarre between this journalist named Michael Wolf, who's very scummy, where Wolf is like given Epstein PR advice and saying like, here's how you could spin your crimes, kind of make it about Trump, become anti-Trump. I think there is an open question here about how. Michael Wolf could ever work in journalism again. But the idea that this was like a Democratic Party setup is slightly undercut by the fact that Joe Biden didn't release these documents that came out during the Trump administration because of an act of Congress.

But I don't know. You think there's any audience for this bullshit? No. I mean, give me a break. The latest tranche of Epstein files released more invocations of Trump's name, Howard Lutnik, Kevin Warsh. I mean, like, you've got half of the cabinet in the Epstein files. Also, I think everybody on the left consistently from every end of the ideological spectrum has been like, if Bill Clinton or any Democrat did anything wrong, fuck him.

Like, we are not here to protect anybody who is implicated in or did anything wrong as it relates to Jeffrey Epstein. Throw them out. We don't care. And it's so, like, it betrays his mindset because in his mind, anybody with an R next to their name is part of the Republican cult and anybody with a D.E.' next to their name is part of what he thinks is going to be a democratic cult. Like he views everything as just cult politics. And so in the same way that he expects undying slavish devotion, like complete 100% loyalty to him, he thinks that both sides are that way.

And we're not. Like nobody cares to stick their neck out for Bill Clinton or any Democrats voted to find Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton in contempt. They are now actually the only one set to testify. in front of Congress are now Bill and Hillary Clinton because they were treated differently. Like Donald Trump, no such demand has been made of Donald Trump, but the Clintons are going to go to testify because they were going to be held in contempt. And like you, I have zero sympathy.

For anyone friends with Jeffrey Epstein, go, testify, provide information. If you did something wrong, that's your problem, not mine. I do agree that they are being treated differently from everyone else in this case. But like, again, like you, I just don't give a shit. But I should also add, by the way, like, if Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have done something wrong, great, that they've been called in and agreed to testify, great, as well I think they should. But I'm also glad that we have a new precedent that's been established, that former presidents can be hauled in front of Congress to answer about their involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. Good point. Just going to leave that one there. Now that the Republicans have agreed that it's very important that former presidents come in to answer about their involvement with Jeffrey Epstein and their wives. Like I think that's a, I am all for it. I am all for it too.

It's a healthy, healthy precedent. Finally, Brian, let's just close by briefly talking about the petulant little asshole currently serving as vice president. I'm, of course, talking about J.D. Vance. As viewers know, J.D. has been the lead attack dog when it comes to smearing American citizens who have been murdered by ICE or CBP officers during immigration raids. The Daily Mail asks Vance if you would apologize to Alex Pretty, the 37-year-old man murdered by CBP while he was filming. ICE raid in Minneapolis. Here is what J.D. Vance said. Should you plan to apologize to the family of Alex Breddy? For what? For, you know, labeling him an assassination with ill intent. Well, again, I just described to you what I said about Alex Pretty, which is that he's a guy who showed up with

ill intent to an ICE protest. He's a guy. If it's determined that his civil rights were violated by this FBI investigation, will you apologize to that? So if this hypothetical leads to that, hypothetical leads to another hypothetical, it's a real case. Will I do a thing? And again, like I said, we're going to let the investigate. So, Brian, the words coming out of J.D. Vance's mouth are, like, truly despicable there. But in some ways, I, like, I find his whiny, petulant, like, woe is me. I'm the real victim tone even more frustrating. But I just so angry I could, like, jump out of this seat right now watching that.

He is the most unlikable human that I've, like, ever seen. Also, this idea that it's so hypothetical, he can hardly bring himself to answer it. he's like, oh, well, for all of these things to happen, you would need, you know, night to turn in today, and you would need two plus two to equal seven. And it's like, we couldn't possibly encounter a such, like, we're talking about something that's already basically proven. He called Alex Prady an assassin because he was trying to help Republicans spin the narrative before, um, before people recognize what happened. He got caught being a total fucking asshole because obviously Alex Prattie was just holding his cell phone, didn't even approach the ICE agents. Ice agents approached him. And so JD, like, looks like an idiot and he's got egg on his face. But he abides by this Trumpian mentality where any concession that he's done something wrong or any admission of defeat is like a sign of weakness. And he couldn't possibly have that. This is like the Roy Cohn School of politics. And so instead he's just going to double, triple, quadruple down on this dumb idea that he's done nothing wrong in calling an American who is exercising his First

Amendment free speech rights by filming what was happening at the hands of ICE, calling that guy an assassin, and he obviously wasn't an assassin. And so he was just going to like talk himself into circles and make himself look like an even bigger dick. He's a scum. He's like, oh, how could I possibly prejudge the results of investigation? Well, he already did. And everyone else around you did. Like Homeland Security Secretary Kristy Noem called Preddy, she said Prattie attacked officers. That assertion was echoed by FBI director Cash Patel. That was a lie. Noam said Prady was, quote, brandishing a gun. That was a lie. It was holstered. Stephen Miller called Prattie an assassin who, quote, tried to murder federal agents. J.D. Vance reposted that claim,

an insane lie and just a smear of an individual. Greg Bovino, aka one-third Reich, said it looked like Prattie, quote, wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement. Bevino also claimed that Prattie assaulted federal officers. Again, we've all seen the video of an officer coming up and just assaulting Prudy and the woman next to him. So that's a lie. J.D. Vance also called Renee Good, the other Minnesota woman who was murdered by ICE and CBP, they called her a deranged leftist. So like this whole, this guy's whole MO is smearing American citizens killed by federal agents and now he acts like, I'll put out if you dare to ask him about it. Fuck you, J.D. Yeah. Yeah. That's perfectly put. Fuck you, J.D. is exactly what I want to end on.

When we're all hoping that that's what Republican primary voters also say to.