Breaking News from Pod Save America - Tim Walz Talks Honestly About ICE, Trump, Tom Homan and Kristi Noem

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz joins Jon Lovett to discuss the killing of Alex Pretti, protests, ICE, Donald Trump, Tom Homan and Kristi Noem. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When we were at Whipple today, we just sort of stood back and you see so many people coming to be supportive, so many people passing by saying, no, no, I'm here. I'm, I'm a Minnesotan. You're good. Don't honk at us. Don't yell at us. And then you see the officers or the agents coming in and out of the building. Some of them are taunting people. Some of them keep their heads down. Some of them stop and kind of antagonize a little bit. Just unprofessional. It's unbelievable. Yeah. It's unbelievable. You would never witness anything like that. The discipline that would come, like if it was state patrol or any of these other, you know, regional law enforcement would never put up with that. Yeah. Governor Walls, thank you for being back on Ponce of America. We're here in your offices in the Capitol. Thanks for making the time. We were just talking about what's happening at Whipple. That is the federal building where ICE has been centering its operations and Border Patrol has been centering its operations. And, uh, It's hard to describe for people.

You've never seen any, people have never seen anything like this in the United States, which is a group of Americans feeling like they're in a constant state of conflict with law enforcement coming in and out of this building and law enforcement. And that's intentional. Yeah. Obviously by the federal government, you put these guys in these, you know, I don't know where they went out and went to fleet farm to get warm clothes, but just mismatch uniforms. All kidded up like they're in Afghanistan.

Mass faces covered. And just the aggressive nature of it. It just goes against all policing, all things we've seen here. And like you said, folks, if they go to the Whipple Building, you really see a microcosm of what's going on. You see Minnesotans who are gathering up there for community, show support to tell ICE to leave. And then as you witnessed these guys up there antagonizing, getting in yelling matches, and you witnessed it earlier in the week, just the lack of discipline, throwing chemical weapons, all of that. And I think in contrast to when we took over, when I say we, the National Guard, coming in in Hennepin County Sheriff, and the first thing the National Guard did

come in their professional uniforms with vests on to separate us, no masks, names on their uniforms, handing out donuts, hot chocolate, and coffee, having conversations with these people. And we got noticed last night that the protesters were wondering how they could get food to the National Guard troops

who were up there. And it's that sense of that's what community policing looks like. That's what this should be about. They came in here, they being the federal government, to terrorize the citizens, not about immigration.

and you see it just that you see the results of this, you know, two dead, many injuries, trauma across, you know, our state, and now all of a sudden it looks bad for them, so they wouldn't talk about it. You know, we've been at different protests and sites throughout the Twin Cities, and there's often law enforcement there, even when it's peaceful just to sort of protect the peace and spoke to one local person in law enforcement, and I want to protect their, I'm not going to refer to them, but you felt the conflict of wanting to be a representative of the Twin Cities, protect the people of the Twin Cities while also being part of law enforcement.

They've always been our partners, and you think about this when you think when the FBI came in or whatever, I don't know, maybe you think Mississippi Burning, you see Little Rock with the troops, it was there to protect American civil rights against a state that was oppressive. This is one of the first times in American history you're using the federal government to suppress the rights of a state, to show this, to disregard the 10th Amendment, and to be openly hostile. This is what this language of the enemy, that, you know, you're not political opponents, you're the enemy. And I think the White House, I don't know why they're surprised. I think maybe they thought that folks would roll over. They obviously don't know Minnesotans.

Yeah. They didn't know what they were going to get. But to what end? And just to be clear, none of this makes it easier to apprehend folks who you'd like to apprehend it. I don't think there's much of a debate in America. If someone is here illegally and is a criminal, we should try the best to remove those folks. They also have due process. You can do that.

I think it was Chief O'Hara from Minneapolis Police Department made an observation. In the entire last year, they removed over 900 weapons in arrest from people with firearms on them, arresting them. they never fired a single shot, never fired a single shot. And yet we have these folks in the horrific, you know, murder of Alex on the streets and Renee. So a lot of surveys now out there saying that Americans, and the majority of Americans view ICE is making cities less safe. That's based on the images that they're seeing and the chaos that they're seeing. Having spoken to law enforcement and some people on the ground and what they're seeing,

Can you describe the ways in which it is actually day to day, making life in the Twin Cities less safe to have ICE acting in this way? Yeah, not just in their actions, reckless driving and the things that they're doing. This is about trust. It's about having folks. There are folks that would report an accident, would report a crime and know that the police are going to come in. They go there.

They throw these chemical, you know, munitions. They start things on fire. They cause all this conflict. People are scared. There's trauma. And then all of a sudden, they leave. And State Patrol or Minneapolis police come in. Well, folks, they're angry and they're taking it out.

So now all of a sudden, all this work to build trust in the community, all this that we care, many of these people live down the block, their own houses. And it's hard to have trust in them. And so it creates chaos. They are not coordinating. And this is what's ridiculous. Republican and Democratic administrations, we always coordinate with FBI, whether it's around drug trafficking, human trafficking,

crimes, things that would happen. They're not telling us where they're going. They're not telling us what's happening. And it's ludicrous, and you're driving around seeing this, they're just driving around fishing. There's no plan. They don't have a master sheet where they say, we're going to go here. We know this person's here. We've done the work. We know what their routine is. We'll be able to pick them up with no incident, be able to go and process them. It's not that at all. They're just randomly saying, that guy looks brown. I'm picking him up. Or he looks Somali. I'm picking him up. The outrage, the physical outrage, the lack of security, but the moral injury that's been done to this city and this state is just immense. And I'm just going to share this.

You know, we're going to try and find a way out of this. They obviously, you know, I wished it would have been, they were morally outraged by Alex's murder, but they're morally outraged that the press looked bad. Yeah. But everybody I've talked to in the White House and everybody I've talked to in Homeland Security, not a single person asked me, you know, how's Alex family doing? What do you think about this? Wouldn't that be the human response, the first thing when you met somebody? They didn't even ask how my people were doing. You know, that there's no sense of that there's a humanity in this or like, look, this went

kind of bad. You know, the president said we're on the same wavelength. We have the same goal of ending this. I just not sure what his end state looks the same as my end state. My end state is a restoration of constitutional rights, an accounting of these two killings with people holding trial and stop this. assault and what what people are seeing is the physical salt and ice keep in mind we have a parade of these people from Pete Hague set to Dr. Oz coming here to tell us

we're withholding all your money from your food programs we're withholding all your money from this you can never do this again the oppression on a sovereign state I'm not sure we've been seen anything like this did you take that letter from Pam Bondi as a direct threat as as a quid pro quo if you follow the these, if you do these things that I've laid out here, we will stop the ICE enforcement. Yeah. An amateurish, an amateurish quid pro quo. Because we're obviously not going to do any of that.

But I think the one thing that was about that is I think in this moment, people were watching more because just how outrageous that idea was that the independence of a state, 10th Amendment, we run the most secure elections. But it is a good tell. I think they're mainly doing this because Donald Trump lost Minnesota three times. He said that. He said he believes he wanted the elections or that. He's trying to do that.

So he tells them they send that over. And she thinks she's going to get the voter rolls. And then we're pretty clear about that. If you give us these, we'll pull people off. Like, what are you here for? To terrorize us, obviously. I mean, that's what you're doing. So you met with Tom Homan today.

There was a readout of that meeting in the most productive fashion. Yeah. Did Tom Homan acknowledge the ways in which there had been overreach, the ways in which their tactics and their tenor has been counterproductive? He said, it's not the way to do it. He did. I think that was his words. He said, this is not the way to do this.

And I think what he acknowledged is, and look, I don't agree with Tom Homan's philosophy on things, but I do understand that he is law enforcement and he understands right from wrong. And he knows. I mean, no matter how much they were trying to gaslight us, the layman on the street said, I don't really think it's good policing to run around and throw canisters and kick people down and that's probably not a good idea. He acknowledged that and said something has to change. And then I think what he acknowledged what we've been saying all along is they're spreading lies about this. I said,

Tom, you got the president believing that you have 14,000 people you had here. He goes, what? I said, you don't have, you didn't arrest 14,000 people. He's people are kind of like stammering along and stuff. And he at least acknowledged, look, we got to deal with real numbers. And I said, you said we have 1,400 people in our prisons that are here undocumented. We have 8,000 total people in our prisons. 207 are serving sentences. And they should serve their Minnesota sentences. And what we do is we give them over to you. So talking to him, at least he was grounded in the reality of what the numbers look like. And I just asked him. I said, what's your mission here, Tom? What are you trying to do? We're trying to get folks who shouldn't be in this country and who are

dangerous to us out. And, you know, my response would be is, well, you could probably give me the names of the people who shot my two constituents because those are two people that are dead. So it was a it was a little more grounded in reality. It was an acknowledgement that the situation is not what they want. I have to say it was, you know, it was somewhat of a glimmer of hope that at least it felt like we were dealing on the same reality. So the other side of that, and I hear that. And of course, you don't want to be dealing with federal leadership that is calling people domestic terrorists and assassins and slimy local, you calling me, calling me, calling me, calling you someone who wants this to happen.

Yeah. But at the same time, it would also wouldn't be a success to have a more professional version of execution of this current policy. It would not. And Tom Homan may be on the scale of reasonable, slightly more reasonable than a bovino. But you still have under-trained, poorly prepared. Yeah, that overton window shifted a lot to what we consider to be okay. Exactly.

And so in some ways, Nome being such a buffoon and Miller being out there saying these things only heightened the importance of this issue for people. The policy of mass deportations remains. Yes. So if he's saying he wants to get the worst to the worst out, but the White House is setting a goal of a million deportations, the math doesn't work. So what happens here in the Twin Cities with Tom Homan in charge? Yeah, that's the best question to deconflict. Look, I'm under no illusion. Nothing changed here. I mean, Bovino leaving or whatever, but that's not. nothing. You can plug somebody else in there. What I think, again, I think the White House I saw

the president, and this one I have to say, I'm trying to, I have to be careful with this because, you know, I'm going to be honest about where it is, but I'm not going to poke the bear on this, but I'm, I didn't take well tonight when he was asked about Chris, you know, he said she's doing a fantastic job, she's doing every night. No, she lied and slandered Alex, and she blamed everyone else and she tried to gaslight all of America. And I don't know from a, I've made this case. I think she is the most unqualified, ineffective and loathsome of all of the cabinet positions that we've never seen in any administration. And yet the president wouldn't call that out. Look, she's behind this of what happened. So I'm, look, I am a little more hopeful, perhaps that this shook them up

enough that maybe they are going to get tired of this. But if Stephen Miller is still there, I just think they hope that you guys go away. Yeah. And they just go right back to what they were doing. But I would say this, they are, if they do that, they'll lose the whole thing. Because I think the rest of the country, this thing's a powder cake here. You're feeling it. Yeah. Let's talk about one aspect of it, which is the investigation into the killing of Alex Preti. You know, you've had law enforcement tried to show up at a crime scene with a warrant, as is normal. A warrant is highly unusual. They went and got, they went and got a warrant to gain access to the crime scene. That was denied which they're rejecting the judge's order. Now it's not, I assume it's not the custom of

the police in the state of Minnesota to have a lawful judicial warrant be denied entry. And then it's ever happened. And yet they could not execute the warrant where they chose not to because they're now facing off against other law enforcement. You don't know the name of the officer as of right now? I don't know. You have not seen the body cam footage? Not seen the body cam footage. In any other circumstance, if a group of people were preventing the lawful execution of a warrant

over a crime scene in which someone was killed and the person who was killed was being hidden from you and removed from the state, what would we call that? Ryan Reynolds here from Mittmobile, the message for everyone paying big wireless way too much. please for the love of everything good in this world, stop. With Mint, you can get premium wireless for just $15 a month. Of course, if you enjoy overpaying, no judgments, but that's weird. Okay, one judgment. Anyway, give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch.

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Any other officer involved shooting, we have the most professional team here. Look, George Floyd, Vlando Castillo, we've had others. To get the trust of Minnesotans, the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension under Superintendent Drew Evans is the gold standard for this. They know how to do it. We had that warrant because they did the same thing with Renee Goods killing. We have never had this situation come up, and we've never had them not partner. And you have the federal government with one of their people shot them.

them, rush them away from the scene, ruined the crime scene, or at least made it more difficult, and then refuses to give us any information about this. And I said that I think the thing that Christy Noem, Babino, everybody involved in here is there's no statute of limitations on this. Donald Trump's not going to be in the White House forever. We are doing our investigation. We will pursue it. But the trust in government and just ask them and insult to injury in these killings, they're not investigating those guys giving us names, but they slandered Renee Good's wife, and there's a federal investigation into her

that I asked, I told Tom Holman, I said, if you want to gain some goodwill here, you drop that damn thing right now. What do you say to that? He said he'd go back and call cash, which doesn't give me great confidence. Well, he's probably at a concert. So I want to talk about the lessons you've learned

from this sort of extraordinary circumstance. Right now in Maine, it's not getting enough attention yet. It's not. Hopefully we'll start getting more attention. We're seeing some of these tactics. Have you spoken to Governor Mills about what you've learned? What did you, what are those conversations like? I have.

This will end with the people. I mean, the thing is, I think we all knew this. We were wondering where the court's going to stop this, where the state's going to stop this. And then, you know, people would get really cryptic and say, you know, the last nine of defense is the military. No, the last line of defense is the people. And that's what we knew. When the people rise up enough, you can stand in. in that breach. And I said she needs to do all she can to make sure she's encouraging people to use

their First Amendment rights, but to do so peacefully. This thing has been this successful because I know for a fact that Stephen Miller wanted this city to burn. He wanted the reason to use the Insurrection Act and they wanted to come down even harder. And I think he saw this as a blueprint. That's all out the window now. So I think the folks in Maine, and here's a say, if you're going to pick two states to go to in the winter, I would not pick Minnesota in Maine because you have the toughest bastards on the planet. who do this. So they're out there. So I told her and then to use the courts, which, look, Governor Mills is a former attorney general's tough as hack. And I've got to be honest, I think they're in Maine because she said, I'll see you in court when she was at the White House and made that viral moment. I think it's here because he lost three times. He doesn't like me. And he found this issue to try. And it was a perfect Stephen Miller issue to demonize Somalis and to take on a blue state and to be able to test out the power of this new team they put together. It also highlights that it is targeted irrespective of actual immigration enforcement because ICE and the board patrol

are not involved in the investigation of fraud and punishing. Send me accountants. I'll take everyone you got. And the people who were working on this with us who were fixing it, who's been years ago and these people are in jail, the U.S. attorney's office and the U.S. attorney who we worked with had to quit because he was one of the ones that quit because he knows that this is ridiculous of what they're doing. So there was no question there.

This fraud thing happens in every state we had it here. I take responsibility for it. No one in state government anything to do with it, but people stole from us. You got to stop that. We're working hand in hand with the U.S. Attorney's Office. That's gone now. I don't even know who over there's working on fraud.

And we got folks, you come in here. That U.S. attorney sat right here, and I said, there's two people who want to fix this more than anybody in this state, me and you, what do you need from me? And I said, if at any time you don't feel like you're getting it from me, go to a press company and say the governor's stonewalling me on fraud. That never happened. And now they're gone.

So this has nothing to do with fraud. So because this is such an unprecedented moment for any state for the Twin Cities, and we've seen it escalate in the past couple of weeks, are there lessons that you have learned? Are the steps that you now realize, you know what? You can't hold back on that in the hopes that this gets better. There are things you need to do from the jump because you can't count on them to deescalate. Is there anything along the way as advice for other governors or other mayors who may face this? You can't comply in advance. that's for sure. I think you need to get the legal community together some of the best minds.

I think you need to coordinate with the grass top leaders. What you're finding out here, there's a certain amount, whether it's the clergy, it's some of those folks. And then as soon as you see these new leaders emerge of being able to work in a way with them to show that, I mean, just things like the folks up at the Whipple Building, show the respect to those people because they are leading this, you know, they are helping our state. So don't make it more difficult for them. Now, if you're out there and you're protesting, you just said you're going to start breaking windows and stuff. We'll take you in on that. That's a crime. But you're going to get due process. You're certainly not going to get shot. You're going to be treated with respect. You know,

the police who know what they're doing here, it's a lot easier to talk somebody to get into handcuffs than to throw them down and try and force them. And so I think the biggest thing is just making sure you're going out there communicating early. And I think, look, we had an advantage, if you want to call it that from experience after George Floyd. We know how to activate people without scaring the public. We know how to have the resources in place to be able to protect those folks are out there. We know who the leaders are to get to. We know things that you can't do. And people were asking why, you know, we had the National Guard blocking exit ramps.

People forget about this. And I'll remember it my entire life. In the midst of the George Floyd protest, there was a massive protest on the freeway. And a semi had ran past all the varicates and was coming down the freeway at a crowd of thousands at 70 miles an hour. And I was convinced we were going to see an unbelievable. event. So it's things like that, lessons we learned, and then communicate to the public. Look, the National Guard's out there just to make sure that if you guys are in a group that nobody's going to run a car into you and try it. And I think that went a long ways, which you see,

the focus is against this illegal occupation, the focus is on what ICE and what the Trump administration are doing. And it's in support of a state. And look, for us, whether it was COVID, George Floyd and all that, to find an identity here and a sense of pride, they're going to find this 10 times harder than it's been because of what's happened. These are veterans now on the street. These are veterans of what it takes and how to work with community. And it's the side things you're not saying going to food banks and delivering food of going to this. Look, we've got children huddled in houses who can't come out and can't go to school. So teachers are going to their houses, doing some tutoring, bringing food to them and taking care of them. That's what we do. And I said the other day, you get to make a

choice wherever you voted in this. Which side of history do you want to be on? You want to be with the people delivering food to little children who are in their houses or do you want to be on the side of somebody who is willing? I just see constantly doing this. They have people pinned to the ground and these sadistic ICE agents are spraying things in there. And I, this idea, oh, you can't criticize ICE because you're criticizing law enforcement. They are not law enforcement. They are not professionals. How dare they slander that? And you can have JD Vance and you can have these people slander my police saying, well, if Minneapolis and Minnesota's police would help us more or whatever, it's because we're professionals and we're taking care of the people. We're not going to listen to your orders to

pepper spray somebody who's on the ground or to take a little five-year-old in his little bunny hat and using his bait. That's just not going to happen here. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. And that's what I think we keep coming back to. They keep telling us they're not they can't give you names on who they're arresting. And when they put up the worst of the worst, they made a big show of one. Look at this guy we got whoever. We had him in our prison and turned him over to him. They didn't do anything. That's the way it's supposed to work. So one other part of this resistance nonviolent resistance. And this is, again, something extraordinary

that I've never seen before in an American city is you drive through parts of Minneapolis. There are people on the corners. There are people in front of preschools and elementary schools and high schools with vests and whistles saying, we're going to keep an eye out for these communities. And it is inspiring and heartbreaking at the same time

because these are people standing there saying, I need to be here to protect my community from law enforcement. And as someone who is the governor of a state, chief executive who has law enforcement reporting to you, there's got to be a tension there between being supportive, but wanting to seeing your community stand up for itself and also seeing what they're doing is trying to protect their community from an aggressive and lawless federal agency. Would you like to see other states learn from that example? Is what the people

of Minnesota and the people of the Twin Cities doing to stand up for their communities in that kind of organized way. Is that important and valuable? They don't have enough people just to do all of us. They can use all the people they have and I'll go ahead and take Portland, Maine, Philadelphia, and us, and we can take the whole thing. And if the rest of states end up, they don't have the capacity to do that. And they're finding that out. I think in weird little Stephen Miller's mind, he thought this was going to be like rolling over or whatever, you know, and no one's going to roll over. And I think that sense of pride that's there, but there's tension. And I mean, what I said is you're seeing a core break in true.

professional law enforcement, and I have them around me who take pride in the coordination, take pride in the professionalism of the FBI and the things, and to see that just shattered. And they're really, they're kind of floating unhinged. If this was, you know, they did it right. They followed the laws. We knew a collaboration. And that's no longer there. We have a hostile entity in our state wreaking havoc on our people. I mean, if this were a foreign country, we, you know, what would happen? But we're not. And I said the tension here is, And it's frustrating is it because I hear people telling me, you need to use your police to arrest them. It's tension because, you know, are we going to run in there, grab those guys before they go unrest?

And, you know, I think you see where the implications of that are. Well, this is, look, this is what people can't imagine. They can't imagine. It's the law enforcement, guns from one law enforcement agency being pointed at another. But do you have your police being denied access, lawlessly being denied access to a crime scene in any other circumstances. they would take that crime scene. Wouldn't they? If they have a law, they have a judicial warrant.

They're of the police doing an investigation into what could be a murder. That's right. They have to think about security in there. I mean, something that would have been unimaginable not that long ago, that you would actually see firearms being drawn American on American. And it's horrific. What I will say about this is the professionalism of the folks that are holding the line, the folks that are doing what they need to do.

And I'm going to go ahead and say this, no matter, Greg Bovino and the horrificness of him or whatever, folks found out where he was staying last night, and we deployed the Minnesota state troopers who protected Greg Bovino against a very angry crowd, and no one was hurt and relatively small. That's what we do. That's what those professionals are. But just think about that. Think about a Minnesotan who's seeing this done to his state, and yet they did the professionalism to go out there. Even Greg Bevino deserves new process. And that's the way they were seeing. And you and you, but and just to close the circle that that these, that the organized response of people on the streets, the grassroots response to keep an eye out for ice.

That's where this is all being one. Look, Donald Trump had that meeting with me today and Greg Rubino's gone because of the grandma who stood on the street in 40 below. Yeah. The students who walked out of St. Paul Central High School and walked in the snow to come up here to the folks who are out there blowing their whistles, alerting their neighbors. I don't know if you've seen it. There's an audio of a neighborhood one night that's dark,

and you hear a woman yelling. They're here, they're here, go in your houses, going your house. I think that will be in the Smithsonian someday or somewhere about this time that we're going through. It just echoed through the city, this beautiful city at night, and you just hear a woman screaming, go in your houses, they're here, they're here, they're here, in our streets.

For what? For what? It's just absolutely ludicrous. And then going to Lowe's or, you know, you heard the stories. I mean, these guys are so, sadistic. They went and ate in Wilmer, Minnesota at a really nice Mexican restaurant, and these ice agents ate and enjoyed themselves there, and then went and arrested the people working there after they finished their meal that had been cooked and served to them. They're a special place

in hell for that, I truly feel. So it's been remarkable to see the way the Twin Cities have stood up to what ICE is doing. You're talking about what's going to happen in Maine. It does seem like, man, if they think they had a hard time in the Twin Cities, they should try Philadelphia. Those people will burn that city down if they lose a football game. Yes. I shouldn't say that. But what does it say about, you know, that we hear a lot about all the ways in which these people, you know, they're abusing their power.

Their presidency is becoming too powerful. Do we sometimes undercount the ways in which America is a pretty, like a, that, whether it's the power of us as individuals or just the way in which we're just in a rebellious and ungovernable place? Yeah. Well, it's the spirit of community and things. And look, I'm pretty salty about this. When in January, I was out doing some town halls,

and I was saying, look, the road to authoritarianism is littered with people telling you're overreacting. And I said, they're headed down this road. And I got asked in January, I said, yes, I think they'll eventually try and arrest a governor. I think they will try and occupy cities. I think they may try and use the Insurrection Act. And people would like realize what we're in,

realize the moment we're in, and holding a democracy. He's a heck of a lot better than trying to get one back. And so that, I think, is the spirit of those people on the streets. This is all being done. My job is to negotiate and do all this. But I was in a position to be able to tell Donald Trump, we need these people out of here. We need Greg Vino gone today.

And we need to have say over these investigations and him to at least say, we'll look into it. That's because of the people who endured the cold on Friday. That's the people who go to that memorial. That's the people delivering food. And I think there's something really empowering now because part of this whole thing is to make you feel hopeless. overwhelmed and just checked out because it's hard to imagine people are still going about their lives. They're going to go watch a basketball game. They're going to do that. Folks here are focused. And I think the thing that scared the hell out of them is they could be here for five years and

they're going to get the same stuff they're getting right now. Nobody's, nobody's backing down. So you've had a crazy 18 months. How's the, I walked in here. I see a fridge full of diet Mountain Dew. Yeah. You're like a, you're a sick freak, huh? I am on that. It's my one habit. But it is my one, it is really horrific. I think maybe post like governor, I should probably get some type of deal with them. I don't know. Yeah, some endorsement or something, something. But yeah, that's my thing.

But proud to be here. I'm proud to stand up for, for Minnesotans. I'm heartbroken in talking to these families. I promised Michael and Susan, Alex Barron's parents, and to Becca, Renee's wife, that I would never let them forget who these people were, never let him. That's why I'm this sullying of the names. That's why there is nothing. There is no redemption on Christy Noam. No redemption. And J.D. Vance is pretty close to that. To come here and do the things and to say those things about this. Within minutes, it's just the lack of professionalism.

Look, I don't know, and I said this, I don't know what a trial would find with these guys. And I don't even know if a trial would be warranted. But you know what you do? You follow the procedures. You do the investigation. You put it in front of a grand jury. You get an indictment. You go to trial. You have a jury of your peers. And you see what happens. on that. What makes it so, you do that not despite of the policy. If you really believe in the policy, you'd want the investigation. You'd want it. Because you wouldn't want a thug who committed a killing in an unjustified way, if that's what the facts show to represent you. That's right. And you wouldn't want governor speculating that maybe you're covering up a crime scene. Maybe there's something here that we

should know about. You would want to alleviate that by saying that because certainly everybody else is to have that. You know, Renee's wife is willing to have a trial on that. Let's see what happens. Let's see when the facts come out of that. Yeah. Thank God for video, though. I don't know what to tell you. Thank God for video. And the fact that- What do you think would happen if there was no video of this one? We would have had their version of it. Well, you know what? We have had lots of examples of that. They are lying about all kinds of people. And we have no idea what the truth is. Yeah, this is true. We know we can't trust them, but we've seen these examples. And you know what? They've been caught off guard by the fact that Alex Pready turned out to be the best of us.

Yeah. That they thought they could just smear another person. And by the way, they've gotten away with smearing a lot of people. Yeah. But it turns out, oops. What if he would have been an immigrant? Right. It wouldn't have any difference. They killed him.

And so. You shouldn't have to be an ICU nurse to not be shot dead on the street for protesting. Yeah, and I'm going to say the obvious on this. This could all end with a few senators. This could all end with a few members of the House. This could all end with some courts. This could all in with the Supreme Court. A couple up there doing the right thing.

What are you seeing that I'm not seeing? And this is long past a political argument. This is a moral argument. And what terrifies me as a bit is to watch how easily the folks on Fox News tried to take hook, line, and sinker. And I know there's people. There's my family members. The only news they got about Alex on Saturday morning was coming from Fox News, and it was Christy Noem's line being repeated and repeated and repeated and said, if you're not a terrorist and you shouldn't draw a gun on police.

I heard that from people, family members. And that's what's out there. So there's responsibility that lies with folks, too, that there has to be a baseline of truth. There's got to be baseline of truth. Well, Governor Walls, thank you for what you've been doing here and leading a place that has seen democracy rise up to meet these people louder than they expected. So thank you very much. I know you got connections here. Your Honor in Minnesota. I do. I love this place. I get it. I get it. It's unique, right? I get it. People don't understand it. People keep saying, why are you back in the news again? Why are you constantly in the news? And I think

part of it was that election thing. But I think part of it is is that we've proven progressive policies here can lower childhood poverty rates can raise standard of living, raise quality of life, raise happiness levels. We're able to do that by investing in our people. Oh, and guess what? We're a multicultural society that's really rich and people enjoy that. Any city that can link all of its downtown office buildings with Skyways is a high trust city.