Breaking News from Pod Save America - Trump Furious After Explosive New Epstein Details LEAK

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

A bombshell new report reveals how the Trump White House is handling the growing controversy surrounding the Epstein files. Tommy Vietor and Jon Favreau react to the fallout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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John, I'm going to read to you just one small passage from this new report. Then I'll explain the context. So according to the New York Times, an Epstein victim named Sarah Ransom said the following. Ransom claimed that she knew a girl in Epstein's sex trafficking ring named Jen, who said she had sex with Trump. Ransom also claimed that Jen had told her that Trump had a predilection for nipples and that he had aggressively flicked and sucked hers. Ransom wrote that she had seen evidence when she shared a bathroom with Jen. Quote, they looked incredibly painful as they were red and swollen. And I remember wincing when I looked at them, she wrote. Gross. Gross. The pee tape is out. Nipplegate is in.

So the context here. This is according to Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan, two of the best reporters of the New York Times. They have a new book out called Regime Change inside the imperial presidency of Donald Trump. This email is apparently one of the primary reasons that the Department of Justice never created a searchable database of the Epstein file. So the Trump administration built an internal version of the database. They tested it. And the nipple thing was like the first document that kept coming up. So they just spiked the whole idea because they were solely worried about like Trump's exposure, not transparency, not about putting the story to bed. So did you expect to be talking about nipples this morning? I did not. Well, it's.

Donald Trump, so you never know. I did like in the piece, they had the line. One official would later describe it as a surreal experience to be discussing nipples in the White House Situation Room. That's the other great thing about this is like all of the meetings about Epstein were taking place in the situation room, which I found quite interesting. I found that remarkable too. I did want to talk about that. Yeah, I mean, I just on the nipple thing, sorry to harp on this. No. Remember Stormy Daniels told us that Trump wanted her to spank him with a copy of a Forbes magazine? with his face on the cover. Yeah.

Doesn't that feel like a piece of a puzzle with the other thing? It sure does. Just being a gross old weirdo in the bedroom. It sure does. Just about that woman too, and I think they mentioned this in the piece, like those, her stories, not the nipple story, but some of her other allegations were out there, because remember we all talked about this? And then they have tried to say that she's discredited because she recanted some of those

allegations, but then other people thought maybe she recanted them because she was afraid for her life. She said she was fearing for herself and her family and that's why she recanted some of the allegations. And so they tried to spike this thinking like, well, it's obviously not true because she's crazy anyway, but like we still don't know that. No, we don't know that at all. So the claim about the nipples is uncorroborated. But again, it's a very detailed thing to just make up for no reason. J.D. Vance tried to argue that Trump would be okay with the nipple document going out.

That does not track with me. I mean, I'm sure you want to get into the JD Vance of it all, but like, this is a theme in this piece, which is let's be transparent, even if it hurts Trump. And also, I'll go out there and talk about it. Put me on Joe Rogan. I'm glad you mentioned that. Okay, so this excerpt in regime change, it's, you know, it's in the Times this morning. It's all about last summer's desperate scramble by the White House to manage the fallout from the Epstein files. And by the way, if you want to support a progressive independent media company, that's all about regime change, support Pod Save America, subscribe to Pod Save America. here on YouTube. We spend all day. For other great nipple content. Yeah, we spend all day every day trying to take down the Trump administration to lead to peaceful regime change. So please subscribe to POTS of America. Like these videos, share these videos and tell your friends to get the word out. So yes, you're on your point about them doing this in the sit room. First of all, Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan have like detailed, detailed notes from the sit room. But it was very telling to me that that's where they're having these conversations. Like not the chief of staff's office. It's like they're

actually managing like a international crisis, but the crisis says your boss is a comeback. I mean, technically it is an international crisis with Jeffrey Epstein. So that does make sense. Yeah. And I think that like overall from this piece, you know, first of all, like what a bunch of fucking goobers. Second, it is deeply satisfying that the members of the administration who are clearly most in touch with the MAGA base and saw the split coming and so. saw how upset that the MAGA base would be, JD Vance, Dan Bongino, Cash Patel,

are now the most fucked by this because they have just ruined their credibility with the base, even though they did see this coming, and I am so satisfied. Yeah, and they just got on the Trump train. Yeah, specific to the sit-room thing, they're in the situation room

when the Wall Street Journal story posted that had the Trump doodle of, like, the eight-year-old with no arms, in his birthday note to Jeffrey Epstein. With the pubic hair? Yes. And so I just like, I imagine my time in the sitroom when like some, you know, officious, you know, sitroom staffer would come in and pass a note that would be like, sir, the Israelis launched a counter strike against Hezbollah. And instead it's like some two just running in a fucking drawing of this creepy doodle from Trump.

And they're all just reacting to it in real time. I had a question about that, which I was expecting more detail in the piece when I first read about the Wall Street Journal story about like. like what really went on there because they all maintain to this day that it's ridiculous that that's Donald Trump's signature and Donald Trump knew about that and Donald Trump did it. But there's all all it says in the piece is that they got the piece. They were all like, oh shit. And they're like quick, we got to just have a denial. Yeah, it just seems like they all do that they were screwed because there's sort of

around that anecdote is another anecdote about where someone's like, well, let's just have the Department of Justice do a press conference. And one of the political staffers like, okay, let me ask you three potential questions. and then they spike that idea. Right? So it seems like the whole thing is an effort to protect Trump, knowing they have no good answers because, again, their boss is a giant scumbag.

And I love that Trump called the Wall Street Journal and talked to Emma Tucker, the editor, who is British. And practically shouting, the president told her that she must, quote, hate America. That's the obvious conclusion I would take from this reporting. Mail of ma'am, you hate America.

And you think that's going to get this woman to do it. You want you absolutely lose. want to take? Like, reporters are people, too. Like, you can't be that mean to somebody. Just fucking, just stepping on rakes. Yeah, left and right. All over the place. So you've mentioned how amazing the story is about J.D. Vance. I'm going to read you a couple passages. Let's discuss them. Yes. This is a direct quote from the piece. Some senior officials had the impression that Vance had bought into the darkest theories about Epstein and a cabal of predators hidden within the country's ruling class. Yeah, I guess he was so worried about the

cabal that he decided to join it. Is that the takeaway here, John? And then the next line, Wiles would tell others that the vice president had proved himself to be a major conspiracy. Now, this is the second time we heard this from Susie Wiles. Remember when she talked to the guy who writes all the books on the chief staff for Vanity Fair? And she had said it then, and then it was supposed to be denials about that. But clearly, Susie Wiles has told multiple people and truly believes that J.D. Vance is a major conspiracy. Yeah, and usually he just fans the flames of the conspiracy. But in this case, he decided to join the effort to cover it up.

I do love this running theme of Susie Wiles, like, as J.D. Vance's mom, right? She's scolding him for conspiracy theories. She's taking away his phone and his Twitter, you know, telling him to stop tweeting in meetings. Also, Vance also fancies himself a communication strategist in this piece. Vance had also floated to colleagues in extraordinary PR gambit that the White House enlist Tucker Carlson to interview Epstein's longtime girlfriend and co-conspirator Galane Maxwell in prison. That would have been some content. That would have been good content. So what we learned was, Lady Vance was behind the let's interview Galane Maxwell idea, but they were so scared of what might come out that they landed on Trump's personal attorney doing it. Remember, Todd Blanche was the one who went into the prison and did the interview. That is very telling. How about the fact that someone floated a pardon for her if she could do that?

And then everyone was like, that's a bad idea. But Stephen Chung, the communications director, his problem with it was pardoning Maxwell, a trafficker of young girls, would create a huge PR problem. I laughed so hard at that. First of all, thank you, genius, for the insight. Way to nail that one, Steve. No wonder he's got that job. It's so clear to me that, like, somebody gave a lot, like, very, a couple of people probably

gave very detailed readouts of these meetings, right? Because this also happened in the Iran context. Like, Bibi Netanyahu comes to the White House. They're, like, pitching Trump on the war with Iran. And someone's giving them, like, line by line, TikTok's verbatim quotes. But that just, to me, read like a line. Stephen Chung gave Maggie Heerman and Jonathan Swan because he thought that made him sound smart. Oh, possibly, yeah. I mean, there's so many suspects.

On some of the Iran stuff, you're like, is this JD Vance or like it's got to be someone? This one, it's like, we can talk, we're going to probably talk about Bongino. Like, Dan Bongino's pissed. J.D. Vance is trying to make himself look better. Pam Bondi has been fired. Like, there's so many, so many culprits. You mentioned this earlier. J.D. Vance pitched himself to go on Joe Rogan to try to manage the fallout, which is

It wasn't like, oh, you want to go on the biggest show ever and have like this huge conversation. But it's also very stupid because you're not going to have good answers. Like, I don't know how you think this is going to go. This was this one. This was a, I thought, an even dumber pitch than the, uh, let's have Tucker interview Queen Maxwell. Because first they tried to get Todd Blanche to go on Joe Rogan.

Right. And sort of talk about the files and what they were going to release and did and all that. And then Rogan was like, no. I was like, I'm not taking that fucking loser. No. I'm only taking J.D. Vance. And Vance was like, well, if I go on, he could only ask me some questions about Epstein. And the rest of the time, I can talk about the president's agenda for working families.

That is the most. Yeah, that's how Rogan interviews go. Tell me what you're up to in the administration. Rogan hits the blunt and he's like, tell me about the tax credits for the data centers. So the whole article is brutal for Pam Bondi, the now former attorney general. So there's a ton of focus on the White House briefing that they did with the MAGA influencers where she passed out the binders labeled Epstein Files Part 1. We're going to put that up on the screen in case you don't remember how delicious this is.

John, one of my favorite parts of this is one of the influencers before the binders piece said, quote, it was the best day of my life. Ma'am, sir, whoever said that, that's very sad. Also, when Bondi brought the binders, her aides would later tell colleagues that the FBI had prepared them with the assurance that they contained revelatory details. Someone on her staff said, quote, watch this. This is cool. this is going to be epic.

Well, not wrong, but not in the way you both thought it was. This is going to be epic. Crazy. So, okay, this is a meeting in the White House. They bring in all these Goober influencers. Pam Bondi starts handing out these binders to people. The White House staff hasn't seen them. They're flipping through them.

They see Trump's name immediately. And Trump is a press conference with Kirstarmer, the prime minister of the UK, in a couple hours. So they're like, holy shit, he's going to get like completely sandbagged with this thing and asked about it by the press. So they tried to embargo the release of the binders for a few hours. But then these guys all walked out and they did this in front of the press corps. Also, this is a line that doesn't really have to do with Epstein.

And it's a small thing. But since we had a whole election in 2016 that turned on this issue. Yes. Yes. Because Bondi didn't really, Bondi wasn't on the email chain where they were all talking about this. And it says, Bondi rarely used her Justice Department email and was not on the chain where the group worked on the memo. The Attorney General rarely used her government email? Dude, that jumped out of me, too.

What it tells me is she was using signal. She's using personal email, right? Like, there is, hey, judicial watch. Somebody find these messages. Like, what are you doing here? She's the Attorney General. You should probably be using your email. Yeah, so you mentioned this earlier.

So Dan Bongino, the former deputy director of the FBI in Cash Patel, who's somehow clinging onto that top job, they're described as hating Pam Bondi, the former attorney general. And as you said, like, they're very aware of the problem within MAGA because they're hyper online and they were podcasters who were like, you know, kicking this up. So they ultimately get fully on board with the cover up because they're terrible people. But remember the administration ultimately released this like short memo that Maggie Haberman describes as the nothing to see here memo that was like, we're not going to release anything else. And here's a memo why. And they all thought it was going to be no big deal. And then it exploded like a nuclear bomb in

the kind of the MAGA world. Someone in this story wanted to make clear that, Cash Patel was fully on board with the release of that disastrous memo despite being like the online guy. So this is a verbatim email from him. Here it is. Someone gave them a verbatim email. Thanks for the edits. And I still believe this is the correct vehicle forward. Cash Patel wrote with the occasional typo to a small group of colleagues, including Blanche. I'm happy to add any additional sentences to compete the shortfall. Sick. But I do think we address specifically why more can't be released as it relates to specific topics, i.e. court order, C-SAM, which means child sexual abuse material, victim protections, et cetera. So, Pam gets fucked in here with the email anecdote and then someone

fucks Cash Matt Matt Matt Matt Matt-Botel right back by releasing that. My first thought was Bonino because he's so mad throughout this whole thing. But then my second thought was Pam Bondi. No, no. I don't know if she's that right. Would she have the document because she doesn't have an email? That is true. That is true. Bonino, like, here's the only thing I will I will say this that I respect about Dan Bonino is in this piece, he screams at his boss of the attorney general and the White House chief of staff.

Yeah. Should we read some of those quotes? Yes. Okay, this is the Pam Bondi. You fucked this thing up from the start. The way you've been talking about this, that dumb fucking charade with the Epstein files, the there on my desk nonsense, all the promises to the folks out there. Wow. Awesome. Cash Mattel and Dan apparently told the White House that Bondi needed to resign. then cash and Bonino get summoned to another sit-room meeting where Susie Wiles, the chief of staff, told Bonino that she

had been told that he leaked a sensitive story about Trump and Epstein to ABC News. Here's what he says in response verbatim. I'll tell you what, Bongino replied. I'll give you $100,000 cash right now. I'm not kidding. Walk out to WestExact. Put that reporter on speaker and get him to admit I leaked it. $100,000.

To the chief of staff, Wiles says back, we all got ourselves into this. Bongino cuts her off. No, no, no, no, no. We didn't get ourselves into anything. I warned you guys about this the whole time and you ignored me. And exactly what I said was going to happen, happened. And now you're pretending I was in on this.

I was never in on this. And then he storms out. And then she goes, okay, going forward, we're all in. We're all going to agree to move forward. Are you in or not? He goes, no, I'm not. Pongino said, this is not my plan. I'm not part of this going forward.

Forget it. I'm out of here. Storms out of the sit room, gets into the car, drives back to fucking FBI headquarters. And then it's like a few of his friends, hope to you would quit. then it's like the a few minutes later, I mean, he did not quit. He stayed on board. It's still part of the cover up. What a hero.

Also, hilarious line. Privately, he seethed. In conversations with confidence, he lamented what the job had cost him. Millions of dollars in podcast revenue, family time, his audience. In that order? What a family. Family time wedged in between his audience and the millions in podcast revenue. His real family.

That's how I always talk about what we do. His real family is. the downloads. That, dude, that fucking made me laugh so hard. And then some... I quit to spend more time with my audience. Which he did.

He did do that. He quit the fucking joke. And then, so, of course, Bonino and Patel, like, tell the White House that Pam Bondi's leaking about them. And then somehow, they have Bonino telling a confidant. So it could have been, like, literally anyone. Blondie, which is what Laura Lumer called Pam Bondi, Blondie fucked this whole thing up.

She was the one on TV saying over and over again. and they had this stuff. There was never anything. We were always clear about that. But now everyone thinks we did something wrong. And I gave up everything. Sure did. He said this is going to be Trump's Iran-Contra.

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There's a lot of Iran contras. Just a couple more quick things. Just a reminder of what we learned, because Congress eventually gets involved and dumps out a bunch of documents. So there's this email from in January 2020 from a federal prosecutor that tells a colleague that Trump had flown on Epsine's private jet far more than anyone knew. Flight records in the file showed at least eight trips between 93 and 96, sometime with his second wife, Marla Maple, sometimes with his children.

Remember that in 2024, Trump declared that he had never been on the plane. So just a good reminder there that he was in with this guy all the time and he fucking lied about it. Yeah. I mean, stepping back from all the fun, idiot. see in this piece. What is clear now from all the records and from everything else is that Trump and various other people as administration led America to believe that the Epstein files would contain evidence of wrongdoing and pedophilia and all the rest of its sexual assault

from all kinds of Democrats and liberals. In reality, Donald Trump appears to have been very close with Epstein, flown on his plane. There are allegations against Donald Trump. of having sex with women who Jeffrey Epstein trafficked. And then there is a massive cover-up lie after lie after lie that has been undertaken by the administration itself at the behest of the president. And it's a- That is just what we know.

That's a tight summary. And it's a good reminder also in the story that Trump's surrogates were the one saying that he was going to be the guy to expose the Epstein cabal and release the files. Trump was never on board with that. Remember, he went on Lex Friedman's and got asked about releasing Epstein files in September of 2024.

And he said, I'd certainly take a look at it. I'd have no problem with it. But he didn't say, I will do it. And then later, he tells Marjorie Taylor Green that releasing the Epstein files could hurt some of his friends. Yeah, including his best friend himself. And members of his cabinet. What's the commerce asshole's name?

Oh, Lutnik. Yeah. Remember Howard? Yeah. Yeah, it's just sitting front row at game three. Yeah, Howard Nuttlick told us that he and his wife walked into Epstein's house, saw a massage table stormed out, never walked again. Then we learned later that they started a bunch of businesses together.

And Lutnik visited the island with his kids. Like these are the worst people in the world. They are all lying. The cover up is so vast in sweeping. And again, they treat it like it's a national security emergency to prevent Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein from being public. These people are moral degenerates of the highest order. And so when they start talking about

the moral standards to credit moral standing to criticize any other Democrat. Just read this story. Yeah, just remember what was said here. And by the way, the big winner so far is Galane Maxwell, who got moved to a nicer prison. Right, which also, we still don't know the story about that. We don't really know what happened there. But like, it was right after Blanche interviewed her. Blanche interviews her, she gets moved.

Now he says she had faced security threats. Like, so we had to move her to like that country club? Well, if you read between the lines earlier in the piece, when they're all having the conversation about how to handle Maxwell and like do we want to have Tucker interviewer pardon they're all thinking about like what can we give her to keep her on side and how much do we want to give her and so it's it's pretty clear they ended up being like all right you gave us this you said nice things you get this Stephen Chung's like would be bad PR to pardon her yeah she's a fucking child sex offender you absolute blithering idiot absolutely just an incredible story anyway everyone

Check out the full excerpt. Shout out to Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan for getting all of this. I'm going to be reading regime change as soon as it comes out. When does it come out? I think very, very soon. Because this may, this excerpt me as like, I cannot fucking wait to read this book. Yeah, June 23rd. It comes out. Yeah, I cannot wait to buy this sucker. Also, a quick shout out to our guy, Kirill. Kiroil. Keral. I don't know. He's not in here, but he's. Carol Palaviv is one of our, has been one of our fearless producers. Unbelievablely talented. Unbelievably talented.

Hilarious. He's sadly leaving us. There's a clip out there of an inflatable penis bouncing up and down, and Kirill cut the Potsave America theme song behind it, and it's the hardest John and I have ever left in the history of being in one of these studios. And it was all Kiral. Kirill you'll always be remembered for the inflatable penis cut. He's watching somewhere really. That's my thing you got?

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