Breaking News from Pod Save America - Trump in CRISIS Mode After Shocking Report Sends MAGA Into Frenzy

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Jon Favreau and Tommy Vietor discuss how Trumpworld is freaking out after the so-called “Epstein files” turn out to be a MAGA mirage—leaving even Fox News confused by the conspiracy they helped fuel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tommy, breaking news. The Trump administration has come out with a letter from the Department of Justice. There is no Epstein files. I'm shocked. There's no Epstein list. There's no credible evidence that Epstein blackmailed anyone. It concluded that he died by suicide. And the right, the MAGA conspiracists, they are losing their mind. And here's why. Here's Pam Bondi from February. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies. So have you seen anything? You said, oh, my gosh. Not yet. Well, not yet, not ever.

What a weird question. Have you seen anything that made you say, oh, my gosh? We're talking about a man who victimized 1,000 people. I'm sure she saw a lot of things that made her say, oh, my God. It's disgusting. So people are very upset, particularly the right-wing MAGA fools who went to the White House and took pictures with their Epstein binders and everything. They thought more was coming.

And based on the clip we just saw, this is the question that Caroline Levitt got from Peter Ducey. at the White House briefing. The FBI looks at the circumstances surrounding the death of Jeffrey Epstein. According to the report, this systematic review revealed no incriminating client list. So what happened to the Epstein client list that the Attorney General said she had on her desk? Well, I think if you go back and look at what the Attorney General said in that interview, which was on your network on Fox News, go ahead. John Roberts said, DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

will that really happen? And she said, it's sitting on my desk right now to review. Yes, she was saying the entirety of all of the paperwork, all of the paper in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. That's what the Attorney General was referring to, and I'll let her speak for that. But again, when it comes to the FBI and the Department of Justice, they are more than committed to ensuring that bad people are put behind bars. When she said that the list was on her desk, she meant that the list was not on her desk, actually. She's talking about a commitment to putting someone behind bars who died in 2019. That was what she was talking about. So here's what I want to know, Tommy.

When she gave that interview and said the list was on her desk, who had access to her desk and was able to take the list off the desk before she was able to return to the Department of Justice. Well, you say it like you're half kidding. I read the two-page DOJ FBI memo that talks about kind of like the search they did. They talk about doing physical searches of squad areas, locked cabinets, desks, closets and other areas where responsive material may have been stored. And they say they uncovered a significant amount of material, including more than 300 gigabytes of data in physical evidence.

So like to step back a bit to understand the sort of Epstein canon on the right, the suggestion is, the belief is that Epstein was friends with Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, Alan Dershowitz, by the way, Donald Trump and Epstein were thick as thieves, and that he had some sort of list of clients. He was blackmailing who were rich and powerful. powerful people because they think he was part of an intelligence op, maybe CIA, maybe Mossad, and they throw MI6 around a lot. I did not know there was an intelligence ops side of this.

Of course there is. Apparently Galane Maxwell Epstein's friend, girlfriend's kind of enabler. Her father... She's serving 20 years in jail, right? She's serving 20 years in jail. Apparently her dad had some sort of ties to Israeli intelligence, so they think that's part of it. But the deeper you go, they also think that Jeffrey Epstein was part of a satanic

cult. Some people think he didn't really die that it was just like a stage death and a cover up and he's just kind of living out his life somewhere. So there's a lot of layers to this. It feels very very pizza gate, very QAnon, right? There's always like a, you know, there's a pedophile conspiracy at the top levels of the of the government, mostly Democrats. We're sort of ignoring the fact that Trump has been on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, good friend, Elon Musk. top White House, former top White House advisor to Donald Trump, who probably has more data and information than any senior government employee ever in history, said that the big bombshell would be that Donald Trump is on the list.

But now there's no list. The conspiracy is hiding in plain sight. I mean, the biggest piece of this is that Alex Acosta, who was picked to be Trump's Secretary of Labor, led the federal investigation into Epstein crimes back in 2008, 2009, and gave him this sweetheart deal that allowed him to sign a non-prosecution agreement for him. his federal crimes and basically do 13 months in a state prison where he was released on, quote, work release six days a week. And then he couldn't be prosecuted for anything else.

And there were no conspirators who could be prosecuted for anything else. So like the worst offenders in this were Alex Acosta. And then in a 2017 interview with Michael Wolfe, the author, Jeffrey Epstein claimed at one point that he was Trump's closest friends. So again, like all the evidence they need to be really mad at Donald Trump about this is sitting in front of their faces. But again, your point is like, no, this is this has never been about the victims. It's never been about what Jeffrey Epstein did. It's about what Democrats can we set up here. And what's so frustrating is, what Democrats would we take down here.

And what's so frustrating about the biggest Trump defenders is they call him daddy. They say he alone can fix everything. But yet when shit goes south, he is always the victim of yet another kind of deep state crime. This is an aside. the idea that Jeffrey Epstein would just have a list that he'd be holding on to of all the people, of all the clients, because he was like, I just got to, you know what, if I'm going to have a list of clients that I'm going to blackmail

that are going to be involved in this trafficking, I've got to write it down somewhere. I've got to write it down on a piece of paper, and I just got to hide it somewhere, just in case anything happens. I just want to have that list. That makes sense. Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is it's so gross and confusing

and awful. I mean, they did find like tons and tons of videos of Jeffrey Epstein, you know, having sexually abusing young girls, right? So he did record himself constantly breaking the law and doing the most awful things you could imagine. I think

the suggestion was always that the people he blackbilled were also on tape somewhere and the maga types want Trump to release the videos of those people I guess in compromising positions with children? Like, that's what they want? You know, if you don't have conspiracy brain, one possible thing here is that Jeffrey Epstein was a fucking awful creep who did all those things and then also had a life where he knew a bunch of famous people and hung out with them.

And then the two are separate. That's also possible, just saying. They're separate, but also I think that that power, the circles he trafficked in, enabled his crimes, right? Because he could hire someone like Alan Dershowitz to be his lawyer. He could hire Ken Starr to be his lawyer, and they could bully these local prosecutors in Florida to get Jeffrey Epstein this sweetheart deal when he report. I mean, there's one reporter at the Miami Herald named Julie K. Brown who broke this whole thing open like 2018, 2019 with a series of stories. And she interviewed like 80 victims or witnesses. She revealed this non-prosecution agreement that the federal government had signed with Jeffrey Epstein that had never been shown to the victims and talked about the ways that Epstein. lawyers like bullied these prosecutors and got this horrible deal through.

But yeah, I do think the conspiracy is like kind of sitting in plain sight, which is like rich, powerful people get away with crimes. I can look at Donald Trump. But we should talk about like the, the MAGA conspiracists who have been pushing these crazy theories. One of them, a man named Dan Bongino, who's now the, he was on his podcast for a long time. He was saying that, you know, we were going to find out the Clintons were involved and all this and shit.

He's now the deputy director of the FBI. Cash Patel, also pushing these. He's the director of the FBI. Pam Bondi. After that clip of Pam Bondi saying in February, it's sitting on my desk right now, then all the influencers came to the, this was after the influencers came to the White House. They got the binders.

There was nothing much there right after that. And, you know, D.C. Drano and all these people. And in March, she did another interview after everyone was disappointed on Sean Hannity, where she said, oh, don't worry, we have a truckload of evidence. Right. truckload of evidence. Right. And then we find out this.

And, you know, D.C. Drano has now said this is a shameful cover-up to protect the most heinous list. Benny Johnson's out there saying, actually, there are dark forces at play here right now. Yeah. Elon Musk is still tweeting like it's been zero days since someone was arrested for Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. And then our boy, Alex Jones. Yeah. He's having a real one today. He's on one.

This is going to be an unmitigated disaster. I don't know how they got Trump and the DOJ to do this. Now, by coming in and being part of the cover-up, the Trump administration has become part of it. I mean, it's just you cannot see it any other way. So I'm going to, I just got to the office. I'm going to go throw up, actually. You couldn't try to hurt yourself worse.

You couldn't try to discredit the FBI worse than what they've done. Pam Bondi, all of it. All of it. All those videos are saying, yeah, she's seen the videos. It's all coming out. and then now it doesn't exist. I mean, what? Yeah, I watched about 45 minutes of Alex Jones' show today. Good for you.

Yeah, real dark stuff. I want to read you another quote. This is from Alex Jones verbatim from a live stream he did on July 7th. You could not hurt the Trump administration worse if you tried. This is 100% like a Japanese samurai taking a short sword and jabbing it in on the right side of his stomach, drawing it towards the middle, and then pushing it up and jabbing it in the heart, Sepaku. So why is EOJ in particular committing Sepaku? So I think there's sort of two buckets of this. Pam Bondi is a fucking moron.

I think it sort of like begins and ends there with her. Like she thought she was going to curry favor with Trump and all these right-wig influencers by doing this phony rollout of the quote-unquote Epstein files back in February. She's a morgue that everyone panned. I don't know if you've read the Stephen Miller profile today, Jason Zanger leader in the New York Times. But one of the things he said is that Miller is apparently,

is essentially running the DOJ because Pam Bondi is so busy, constantly preparing for and doing. Fox News interviews. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, there was one moment in the Oval Office a while back where Stephen Miller kept referring to her as Pam in this attempt to just sort of put everyone in their place. But then you have Cash Patel and Dan Bongino who were podcasters, right-wing influencers for a while until they were kind of plucked out of obscurity or not actually semi-obscurity

and made top trumpet officials. I think they, because they're in the content game, were people who talked about Jeffrey Epstein and then saw that it did big numbers and people were interested and to sort of fan the flames of this conspiracy for years and years. And now they've gotten trotted out repeatedly to tell everyone, no, Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. No, there is no client list. No, you know, there isn't a secret cabal of Democrats somewhere. And they're just getting crushed. It's like they're part of the cabal.

They are getting crushed in the right wing media. And Alex Jones's theory is basically Trump cut a deal with the deep state. to try to get them to stop trying to kill Trump. It's basically like Bondi got all these files. And then they said like they distributed the files to investigators. And then they made a deal like with a gun cocked at the deep state that was like, roll over, surrender, stop your deep state attack, let us run the country. And I won't release these files that expose you because the deep state is like Democrats and liberals in the Intel world, etc.

because Trump is innocent and he never did anything bad with Epstein, but now he can hold this information over the deep state. What a shame. What a shame. I would hate for Trump's base and all of his supporters and all these mega influencers to lose faith in Donald Trump and the administration. Because if they've been captured here and they're part of the deep and they've sort of kneeled to the deep state on this one, what else are they hiding? So I was texting with someone that is extremely dialed into this world today. And this person said...

Steve Bannon or Tucker Carlson? I can't tell you who. This person said, I think the Trump Coalition is coming to the breaking point over this. B.B. Plus Epstein is death. It feels like the whole movement is about to explode. I do like watching Alex Jones is really... I'll take whatever I can get. You know what I can get to?

It's fine. But like watching Alex Jones was instructive because he seemed physically pain. Right. Like I kind of believe him there. Like he, the Smith has spent years of his life marinating in this stuff. And when you really dig into it, it's like horrific. Jeff Rhapson is a horrific guy. He deserves whatever he got.

But in this video, Alex, he's angry at Trump. He says he understands why he did it. And then he has to weave this fucking nonsensical conspiracy theory about why Trump is covering up. For all the people that Alex Jones has been telling the Maga Base, were his enemies for years that we're trying to kill him. I mean, again, like you said, hiding in plain sight. He is, Jeffrey Epstein did believe at one point that Donald Trump was his very good friend. Donald Trump had been on the plane 20 times.

Can you imagine if that audio would come out about anyone else? I mean, it's insane, but they just glossed over. I mean, like, Mike Sernovich, another kind of right-wing guy tweeted. Also at that meeting. Yeah, there's a chain of command on this planet, and elite pedophiles are at the very top, even above Trump, way above him. Very much so. So Trump, big, powerful strong man.

President of the United States, U.S. military at his command, CIA at his command, even he can't defeat this elite cabal somewhere. I don't know what to do. I guess we don't have a country anymore. I mean, what was the point of electing him if he can't do this? Do you think maybe in 2028 then we'll get J.D. Vance running and Marco Rubio, but then they'll be like D.C. Drano or Alex Jones or someone who's like, we need the real answers in the primary? I hope so. I do too. I mean, look, Trump and J.D. Vance were repeatedly asked about this. That's kind of, Obviously, the good side of doing the Manosphere podcast circuit is, you got elected? Well done, sir. Joe Rogan trafficked in some of these theories.

Oh, for sure. For sure, right? But Trump got asked about this all the time. J.D. got asked about this all the time. Like, Lex Friedman asked Trump about Epstein Island and the files. And he said, yeah, like, he was asked if he'd release the list. And he said, I certainly take a look at it. Yeah, I'd be inclined to do the Epstein thing.

I have no problem with it. J.D. Vance said to Theo Vaughn, we need to release the Epstein list. That's an important thing. So they will all get held to account on some way. level about this. I do think like ultimately I think the kind of elite mega media types will find a thing to be mad at Democrats about and focus on that because that's good for business, right? And it's good for their political project. But there will be some people that just kind of lose faith in Trump over stuff like this in the Iran war, et cetera. Well, that's that's all we got

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