Breaking News from Pod Save America - Trump PANICS At Reporter's Question About Epstein

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Jon Favreau and Tommy Vietor discuss Trump’s meltdown as reporters press him on Epstein. Meanwhile, Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, and other Trump allies scramble to walk back their earlier claims. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

John, the Maga Media is in full revolt over the Trump DOJ and FBI's claim that Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself, did not have a client list. And Donald Trump is not at all defensive if you ask him about it. Let's watch. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable.

Do you want to waste the time and do you feel like answering? I don't mind answering. I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas. It just seems like a desecration, but you go ahead. Jeff Epstein, the financier. The question that Trump was responding to there from a reporter was whether Jeffrey Epstein ever worked for U.S. intelligence or a foreign intelligence agency, both.

of those claims would become like an article of faith in Republican circles, MAGA circles. The reporter also asked about the video DOJ released of the area outside of Jeffrey Epstein's cell on the night he was killed or died. That's what they wanted. Yeah, we don't. Yeah. Sorry. Apparently, the video is missing a minute. 62 seconds. 62 seconds, Tommy. The digital clock on the screen jumps from 1158 to 12.000 a.m. So Pam Bondi, the attorney general, said she would get back to the. reporter on the Intel agency question.

Sure. And then all videos from this prison or jail are apparently missing a minute for some reason. Happens every night. John, do you think those questions, those answers are going to cut it? Will that quiet the conspiratorial masses? First of all, I love that we do this every day now. I know. I'm excited to bring

out the red string today. So here's the thing. I didn't take any of this too seriously. Donald Trump just then, like the defensiveness in his voice, It's the first thing that's made me think, hmm, maybe there is something there. I'm getting red-pilled here.

Big time. Look, I'm not there yet, but that was so unlike him to flip out over. It's like, yeah, you know Donald Trump. He famously likes to be just on message, focused on the big task at hand. He just, there was a tragedy in Texas. What about all this success and this tragedy? When tragedy breaks out, when it's because Donald Trump, he just, that's all. he wants to talk about. He doesn't want to talk about any extraneous bullshit. He's never been

known for that. He was talking about the Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia probe, like 30 seconds before this question was asked. He seemed, and also the question was like asked to Pam Bondi, he jumped in there. He was like, well, let me just say something before. And then he told her she didn't have to answer. Don't answer, Pam. Shut the fuck up, Pam. Pam's like, I'll answer anyway. Yeah, I look, I'm getting a little red pill too. Look, I agree with your general point. We recorded a video on this yesterday. I agreed with your general point that the suggestion that Epstein had like a little black book that said client list I'm blackmailing was always a touch silly.

But I can see a situation where Jeffrey Epstein, look, he's a scumbag. He, you know, he abused young women. I could imagine a scenario where he facilitates sexual relationships with underage women and these rich and powerful people and then he either uses the knowledge of that encounter or video of that encounter to blackmail those people. Well, I have no idea what to make of the claim that Jeffrey Epstein was either. they're CIA or Mossad or MI6. I get more than a little uncomfortable

when these scenarios, conspiracies inevitably blame the Jews and well aware of what that happening here. So you're going with MI6 then? Well, Jeffrey Epstein did have a well-documented relationship with Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel. There's a photo of Ehud-Brock going to his house in 2016. He funded one of Ehud-Brock's businesses. A number of reporters have claimed that Galane,

Jolene Maxwell's father had ties to Israeli intelligence. There's literally a book called Robert Wax Maxwell, Israel's super spy. Can I just, I don't know how intelligence agencies work really, but would the Mossad or MI6 or the CIA, would they have an undercover agent as prominent as Jeffrey Epstein, just hiding in plain sight? Is that something that intelligence agencies do? I don't know.

I don't know. Never work for one. I mean, the suggestion is he's like your honey trap guy. and that there's some sort of a relationship there and you use him as a carveout. I certainly think there's a lot in CIA history where they've used various carveouts in sketchy ways.

There's suggestions that they worked with the mafia, for example, or other criminal networks. We've all read about Iran Contra. So, I don't know. Crazier things have happened. I mean, I guess. look, I do think that the, okay, I'm trying to think of like the, what's the most common sense thing that has happened here? The most common sense thing is Jeffrey Epstein met with his lawyers.

His lawyers are like, so like you're going away for life, blah, blah, and Jeffrey Epstein, after meeting with his lawyers, was like, all right, I'm going to kill myself because I don't want to do this. And then that was it. Or who knows. Yeah, or who knows. I mean, it is, right. They found all of these files, all these videos, all this digital evidence. Apparently almost all of it was horrific. videos of child exploitation material, child sexual exploitation material. So who knows? Everyone wants,

look, what these Republicans wanted is they wanted a video of Bill Clinton and name your political enemies who are all Democrats with underage girls. That was what they wanted, right? And nothing short of that was going to satisfy them. And maybe worse because what the, the Q&ON, the deeper conspiracy, the Pizza Gate stuff is that where there is child trafficking and exploitation, there is a cabal of elite Democrats and celebrities behind it. Yeah, it is exactly the Pizza Gate kind of Q&on thing, which is that there is this elite cabal of satanic pedophiles running the world. It sounds weird when you say it out loud.

It sure does, Tommy. Now, where I will, where you do have to hand it to some of these MAGA folks, is like the rollout of this has been so unbelievably botched. It is Pambondi's fault. Part of it is Pambonty's fault. Part of it is Cash Patel and Dan Boll. Bonino for fanning these flames and then going into positions of power and I guess getting frog marched out to the press and having to eat shit and say what they believe to be the truth,

I guess. But to do a counterfactual here. So they fan all the flames, right? And then they all get put in positions of power. And you could imagine a scenario where people start forgetting about it or they put this out of it. Pam Bondi deciding to throw a surprise binder party for all these right-wing crazies who come to the White House and just give them a tease of what's to come and the tease is all public information they then find out and gets them all excited.

Like, I do not think this would be nearly as bad for the Trump administration as it has been had she not done that. Pam Bondi is a fucking idiot. Yeah, she's our attorney general. She created real moron, first class moron. A good part of this disaster. people like Laura Lumer, who is a scary, awful right-wing troll, is out there calling her Pam Blondie. She's accusing her of covering up sex trimes.

She's demanding the Trump fire, Pam Bondi. Also, a bunch of the influencers that got the binders are now saying, demanding her resignation as well. Yeah. They've turned on her. She is, I would suspect she could be in trouble. So, John, one person, look, I, again, so the thing you have to hand it to the right wing folks is like the rollout has been terrible. None of this makes sense. How do you release a video with a missing minute? Right. And the Donald Trump's defensive reaction there was really weird.

So one person who is not buying the Trump administration's story is Tucker Carlson. Here's a clip of Cigar and Jetty and Tucker Carlson talking about all of this on Tucker's show. I never thought that I would be offering an apology to Jeffrey Epstein. I think of all the times I've maligned that guy, all the times I'm accused him of crimes, of blackmailing people, of trafficking children to powerful figures around the world on behalf of global intel services. And then I learned yesterday from Attorney General Pambandi. That's totally untrue. Yes.

The guy killed himself after 30 days, 36 days in prison. And then his best friend, former girlfriend, Jeline Maxwell, doing 20 years in prison for no crime. They're no victims. Yes, it's a victimless crime. They're obviously persecuted by the state. They're political prisoners, really. It's a, I don't want to be lied to, and I specifically don't want to be lied to by the very people who built careers. And I'm talking here specifically about Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, and many others who now work for the administration, who fed Maga and the American people and promised them to get to the bottom of this, only to turn their tune immediately upon assuming office, lying before Congress talking about this is an obvious case of suicide, going on the Joe Rogan podcast, and effectively asking for some level of trust.

Ross. No one does scathing indignation quite as well as Tucker does. So look, Tucker is not someone I agree with on most or any political issues. For Iran, he's been pretty good. But he's a huge influential audience. And just stepping back a little bit in recent weeks, Tucker has been fiercely criticizing the war in Iran. He interviewed this other very influential right-wing guy named Sean Ryan, where they

specifically talked about Don Jr. and Eric Trump going around the world cutting real estate deals like around their dad's visits and called it corruption. And now there's this right wing explosion over Jeffrey Epstein. Like we have a vested interest

in wanting the MAGA coalition to split apart, right? Because we don't like Donald Trump. We don't want to see him in power. But I genuinely think that shows like this are going to have an impact on people's opinions or willingness to trust Donald Trump.

Also, I think they're not happy with Trump reversing the decision. I'm sure you guys are going to talk about this on Pots Save the World today, on the weapons to Ukraine. So now we're giving, Donald Trump's giving weapons to Ukraine, bombed Iran, $4 trillion in deficits, the big bill, cutting Medicaid,

which is most of his voters. No, I mean, the Tucker people don't like that. And then the Epstein thing is really just the cherry on the top. But look, I mean, just from our side of things, of course you can't trust what Pam Bondi and Cash Patel and Dan Bongino say about anything. Right. Because they were professional liars who got into these jobs.

Then they have been lying since they've been in these jobs. All the immigration stuff that happens in courts, you've got like DOJ lawyer after DOJ lawyer trying to clean up the crazy claims that Bondi and Noam and Stephen Miller and all the rest of them are making. And so they've been caught lying a million times just since they've been in these jobs. So of course no one's going to trust them. Yeah.

And Cash Patel lied to get his job. Remember, he was asked about whether he knew of a right-wing. I think neo-Nazi podcaster named Stu Peters in Katel at his confirmation hearing was like, oh, Senator Urban, I don't know what you're talking about. He had been on the show eight times, and he pretended he'd never heard of this guy. Like, he's just not credible. I mean, because that's why I was like, you know, my, like, I think to myself like, okay, this can't be true. It can't be a list, but whatever, they put up the statement.

But it's like, oh, I might guess I'm just supposed to trust the statement from this Department of Justice and the FBI who has lied to us so many times. I don't know. I guess we can't trust their statements. Yeah. And what's weird about this, right, is Jeffrey Epstein died in 2019. Trump was president then. So it's funny. It's like kind of confusing and odd why this is all bubbling up now as opposed to then, I guess, in part because of clips. Because he had him killed. Well, it's in part because of, like, the call is coming from inside the house, right?

Like if Trump is mad, as we saw in that clip, that he's getting asked about Jeffrey Epstein, then he should talk to the people in the Mago world in his administration who have been fanning the flame. names and this thing for years. People like J.D. Vance, Cash Mattel, the FBI director, Dan Bongino, the deputy FBI director. Like, they were big podcasters who talked about this all the time. For example, here is a clip of Cash Patel talking with Benny Johnson, that dipshit, back in 2023 about all things Epstein. So are you, like, in closing here, I want to just be very clear.

Republicans could get Epstein's list out now? Like, how would that process work? Simple. One subpoena to the FBI. Give me the list. Oh, you don't want to give me the list. me the list and you're going to break the law and commit contempt of Congress, we're going to take your money. We're going to take Chris Ray's private jet. Taxpayer funded G5 rides across the country

to his Appalachian State vacation home down to Georgia and all over the rest of the place. That guy doesn't need a G5 government funded jet. And the second you take that money, you get Epstein's list. T. Here's a problem, cash, is that they shut down the Lolita Express. So how these guys are going to fly out of private jet anymore? I know we got bigger fish to fry, but I, do not want to move off this video without noting that he is wearing a t-shirt with his name, but it's K-dollar sign H. Yeah, he had a whole store, whole branded store on his website. It's our FBI director.

I would like to note, I love that clip for so many reasons. I'd love it like to talk about people being hoisted by their own petards. Good example there. But yeah, I love all this talk about the G5, the private jet. Cash Patel is the FBI director. He lives in Las Vegas, and he repeatedly flies in Nashville. the visit is like 26-year-old girlfriend. So anyway, you know.

That's neither here nor there, but sure. But, John, like, this Civil War is happening. Like, I don't know if you saw this right as we were walking in. I saw a bunch of tweets where Elon Musk and Roger Stone are tweeting that Steve Bannon is in the Epstein files. He's on the list. The great thing about the list not being a list and no one knows where it is and now people are denying its very existence is anyone could be on the list.

And now forever anyone could be on the list. Anyone could be on the list. And the conspiracy just like it balloons. You see this a lot with a Q&O and on and all these things. Like they just kind of balloon and they envelop current events. Right? Like Cigar, who's a very smart guy. You know, like I don't agree with him on politics,

but it doesn't seem like a conspiracy terrorist. Crank, yeah. Right. He is saying he and Tucker in that conversation later on agreed that like the lie, the quote unquote lie from the administration is not designed to convince your average sort of like voter. it is designed as a signal to tell the others implicated in the conspiracy that we will go to any links to protect you. And they keep talking about how this is coming out right as Netanyahu is visiting Washington. So they're pulling that into all of it too.

I can't believe I'm doing this and going down. I'm now going down the rabbit hole with you, but I was reading about sort of Tucker's reaction. And Tucker, he's like, I don't think that Donald Trump is necessarily on the list. He's like, though maybe, he goes, but I do think there have been, there's a history of intel agencies protecting people within the intel agency or people who've been working for intel agencies who've done sex crimes. Because if they had to testify, they could reveal sources and methods if they had to testify in court. And so Cigar at one point in that conversation with Tucker talks about how there was like a BuzzFeed story about CIA. And like over decades, there were like a bunch of CIA. employees who were had you know various you know uh sex charges charges about sex crimes

and um they were not referred to process for prosecution uh and the CIA just said they were going to handle it internally and so Tucker's theory is that because Jeffrey Epstein is you know was potentially working for some intel agencies they just they were too afraid the intel agencies were too afraid for him to to testify because he would reveal sources and methods and so the in this is this is all to protect the CIA. There's a lot of fire. A lot of fire there.

I mean, so, but the smoke that has kind of led to this fire again is, remember Alex Acosta, the former secretary of labor, who is the guy, the federal prosecutor who gave Jeffrey Epstein this sweetheart deal that allowed him basically to walk after, after abusing all these young girls in what, like 2008, 2009. He allegedly said that he was told Epstein had some sort of intelligence connection, which is why he had to give him that deal. So Tucker is basing that off of something. Right.

It's not completely, I mean, who the fuck knows if it's true. Right, exactly, exactly. But like, it's not, it's, like, I read the BuzzFeed story, the cigar mentioned it. Like, it's not, it's not insane. Yeah.

It could be completely wrong, but it's not. It is notable that Alex Jones, Tucker, they're all still kind of like mostly absolving Trump. Right? Well, no, they're all, they're saying this is sort of like an omerta thing.

It's like the Catholic Church cover. are up right. You know, they're taking care of their own within the intel agencies. They're also, I mean, Alex Jones went on this thing. He's like, oh, you've seen Trump's girls, you know, they're big powerful women looking Mulan. It was like this whole bit. Like, he doesn't like young girl. Do we know if he actually threw up yesterday? I don't know if you threw up. We can find out. I'll give him a call. But I don't know. I, I'm hoping, I'm hoping that for once they will blame the guy in

charge for the actions of his government and not like absolve him of responsibility here. Yeah. Whether or not they think he was, you know, doing things with Jeffrey Epstein. The other thing they always say is like, oh, he might have hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. Trump might have hung out with Jeffrey Epstein back in the day, but he eventually kicked him out of his country club. Yeah, no, I'm sure he did. Yeah, I'm sure he did. Well, I'm excited for other shoes to drop, and I'll see you back here, same time, same place.

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