Breaking News from Pod Save America - Trump RAMBLES INCOHERENTLY About Tylenol, Vaccines & The Amish at Press Conference With RFK Jr.

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

It’s time for another episode of SpeechCenter! Jon Lovett and Tim Miller of The Bulwark get into Donald Trump’s insane rant about Tylenol, Kamala Harris' comments on Zohran Mamdani and Karoline Leavitt on Tom Homan accepting a $50,000 bribe. CHAPTERS 0:00 - Intro 1:02 - Trump on Tylenol and pregnant women 8:16 - Tom Homan's bribe 12:09 - Kamala Harris on Mamdani Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's not magic. It's mushrooms. Stop stressing at mushroomcouncil.com. If you took that clip of Dr. Oz, Donald Trump, and RFK Jr. And brought it back to like 1998. It's like unimaginable that that is a real clip that we just showed. If you showed it to people mid-2021, They might still think it's a joke.

Hey, everybody, welcome back to Speech Center. Tim, we're recording this on the day of the rapture. You still seem to be in your clothes, so... Sorry, it hasn't happened yet for you. I never really had much hope, John. You know, I've made some choices in my life. I'm trying to be a good person. I'm trying to be the shepherd.

I think I've still got a little work to do. I think you are being a shepherd, Tim. Thank you. On today's show, we're popping pills with Trump and RFK Jr., followed by Kamala Harris, making your big return to the program, trying to get Tim and I in trouble. Big for yourself.

I'm like K-Hive, baby. I've got the T-shirt back here. It's got a B on it. It's a hive, and it's a K, the letter K, ketamine. For sure. And it's a black sorority, and I'm just like, boom, I'm there. 100%. 100.

Effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians at the use of acetya, well, let's see how we say that. Acetaminin. Acetaminopin. Is that okay? Which is basically commonly known as Tylenol during pregnancy can be associated with a very increased risk of autism. You shouldn't take it during the entire pregnancy. They may tell you that toward the end of the pregnancy, you shouldn't take it during the entire.

And you shouldn't give the child a Tylenol every time he goes. He's born and he goes and has a shot. First question, what can you take instead? It's actually there's not an alternative to that. to that. And as you know, other of the medicines are absolutely proven bad. I mean, there's a rumor, and I don't know if it's so or not, that Cuba, they don't have Tylenol because they don't have the money to foot Tylenol, and they have virtually no autism, okay? Tell me about that one. I've got good news. Can we start with some good news? Yeah, hit me. Here's some good news.

I've been watching a lot of conspiracy theories. I've been spent a lot of time with Candace lately. That's not a body double. We know that the president in the United States is his actual person. He's not the type of person to do a lot of, you know, prep work for making a big announcement about what pregnant women, what type of medicines pregnant women should be taking. He doesn't know how to pronounce the words. He's throwing out random things that he heard from somebody at the club. He's making this announcement about acetaminophen, a word he had apparently not heard or hadn't heard enough to have it kind of ready at his disposal, goes to the brand name

Tylenol. Tough day at Tylenol HQ. Great day at Advil H. Keg stands at the Advil H.K. Trump also made the point in this event, a shocking point, that the Amish don't have autism, which would be, I think, important if it were true. It is obviously not. What about the Quakers?

Do you know about the Quakers? Have we canvassed? There is an increase in diagnosis of autism, and maybe that increase in diagnosis hasn't hit the Amish, but that would probably have more to do with lacking Google. Do you know what year Talentol was invented? What year was time? I don't actually. What year was it?

What year was it? 1955. I just found this up this morning. There was some autism before 1955, which is another kind of hiccup in this theory. Did you know the other fact of one? I'm a little learned a lot of fun facts. I'm kind of like a lib RFK right now. Sure.

You're digging in. People are telling me things. It's a little different than live RFK because I've like got all doctors in my life, so I've like doctors sending me things. Sure. There was one Harvard study that showed some relationship between Tylenol usage and autism rates. and autism rates, it was like we're very far away from proving anything, could have been incidental. There are things that show a closer tie and a different kind of behavior. Do you know

what that might be? Do you have any guesses? Does it have to do with the age of the man? Geriatric sperm. Yep. Then there's spitball on a lot of different topics, the Cubans, the Amish, and they're freelancing, you know, weaving. That was one idea that didn't come up, actually, was that old men shouldn't be sleeping with younger women, because that might be part of the issue. If you're worried that it's only Tylenol that's to blame for autism, I have no fear there was more. When you go for the shot, you do it over a five time period.

Take it over five times or four times, but you take it in smaller doses and you spread it out over a period of years. They pump so much stuff into those beautiful little babies. It's a disgrace. They're pumping, it looks like they're pumping into a horse. You have a little child, little fragile child that you get a, a, uh, a little, uh, a little, that of 80 different vaccines, I guess. We want no mercury in the vaccine. We want no aluminum in the vaccine.

The MMR, I think, should be taken separately. This is based on what I feel. Hepatitis B is sexually transmitted. There's no reason to give a baby that's almost just born hepatitis B. So I would say, wait till the baby is 12 years old. It's an interesting age to pick. I don't like that.

I don't like that. It's kind of like, well, I know nothing about the hepatitis B vaccine, because the reason we give it to babies is not in case the baby got a sexually transmitted disease naturally, but because the mother might have it and you wouldn't want it. The mother passing it down to the baby. But based on Trump's framework, they're believing that it was a STD vaccine. It is intriguing that the year he just picked out of the hat there for when a girl might want to be a girl might want to be a vaccine. when a girl might want to start taking an STD vaccine would be 12. Baked into all of this is that there's some nefarious group of doctors who are without evidence trying to over-vaccinate

or to quickly vaccinate America's children when what is happening is a group of people trying to protect kids are gathering to figure out the best way to get as many kids vaccinated as possible. And he makes a point later in this that like, why not delay it? Why not delay it? Well, because if you split them up too much, much and divide them and delay them. Some kids won't get all their shots.

They just won't, whether because their access is less convenient, because their parents have to take off work, because they have to go to a clinic because they're, you know, they don't have the kind of health care that Donald Trump has had his entire life and can't imagine any other form of it. But over a huge population, a delay in vaccination can cause more people to get very sick. Pretty dark on that front. I mean, like, you have to laugh kind of because like it's just so, unbelievably dark that like that is real I was thinking as I was watching the clip

I'm sorry to change the subject something less real if you took that clip of Dr. Oz Donald Trump and RFK Jr. and brought it back to like 1998 and like showed it to people from 1998 it's like unimaginable that that is a real clip that we that we just showed yeah I mean I don't even think you need our existence go back that far like if you showed that to people in mid-26 and said, this is our future, it would seem like a joke. Honestly, if you showed it to people mid-2021, they might still think it's a joke.

The horseshoe theory, too, like, just playing out on this one specific issue where you have this dilettante environmental lawyer speaking to the resonating frequency of some of the worst liberals on Earth, the kind of like hippie-dippy, rich... competitive category. Rich California parents who believe in homeopathic remedies all the way over to the very conspiratorial right. Having an anti-vax Kennedy at the helm of HHS feels to me like exogenous to the Trump

project, you know? It's just like it's a coincidence. It's crank alignment. It's crank alignment. I think it is less about than the merits of the merits of the the particular conspiracy and more about like this is a really good lightning rod for signaling to conspiracists that you have a home with us. Speaking of conspiracy theories, there's this new conspiracy theory floating around Tim. I don't know that you've seen it. I'm sure I have. Basically,

MSNBC, perhaps in cahoots with Deep State, have colluded to create a fiction. And the fiction is that in the run-up to the 2024 election, anticipating that if Trump won he might have a role in the the administration, Tom Homan accepted a $50,000 bribe in exchange for steering contracts if he ever were to enter government again. Tom Homan is appointed, but so is, of course, Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, Pan Bondi, and lo and behold, the investigation is closed. Kind of a failure of imagination on the heart of the Biden DOJ there. Yeah, not their first. Perhaps they're last. Let's roll the clip of Caroline Levitt talking about from the White House.

So, too, on the Holman investigation, I mean, can you just speak to, do the president ask the Justice Department to close the case, and does Holman have to return the $50,000? Well, Mr. Holman never took the $50,000 that you're referring to, so you should get your facts straight, number one, number two. This was another example of the weaponization of the Biden Department of Justice against one of President Trump's strongest and most vocal supporters in the midst of a presidential campaign. You had FBI agents going undercover to try and trap one of the president's top allies and supporters, someone who they knew very well would be taking a government position months later.

Mr. Holman did absolutely nothing wrong. And even the president's Department of Justice, even Cash Patel's FBI looked into this just to make sure they had a number of different prosecutors and FBI agents who looked into this. They found zero evidence of illegal activity or criminal wrongdoing. in the White House and the president stand by Tom Homan 100% because he did absolutely nothing wrong and he is a brave public servant

who has done a phenomenal job in helping the president shut down the border. There's a tape. There's a tape of him taking the 50,000. He was on Laura Ingram later in the night and she asked him about this and he notably was not quite as definitive. He's focused more about how he didn't do any

crimes. I'm not a lawyer. Tim, you're not a lawyer. I'm not a lawyer. You can't take $50,000 dollars in cash on the promise of steering governing contracts, but then if you don't actually ultimately do exactly what you said you would do with the bribe, you haven't suddenly just been given a free, crime-free 50 grand. Also, it's totally outside of what would have even been thinkable as far as past administrations.

Like, you just think about, like, people who have not gotten jobs in the cabinet because, like, they didn't pay taxes on their nanny. And, like, crazy. People have been run out of administrations for, like,

things, like, decades. And so, I don't know, I guess my one thought about this is it's like so brazen, it's so obvious that it's so easy to understand. I do hope and believe that the Democrats can use this as an anti-corruption message in a way that I think might, might register with folks. We remember, I know you remember, part because of the like, the, the like salacious of it when William Jefferson had a brick of cash in his freezer. In his freezer. In his freezer. And there was a picture of the open freezer with the money in it.

Bob Menendez with a gold brick. These things break through because they're so obvious and speak to what like a bag of cash to steer government contracts. That's the example you use to teach people what corruption is in school. Yeah. And to the borders are, to a guy people know also. It's not just like, you know, some mid-level person at HHS or something. It's like the fucking dude who's on TV talking about the mask guys grabbing

people off the street, you know, who are like gardening. And a guy that you can actually see in a pair of like suspenders on a white suit with a big white hat. muslin Jack Nicholson in Chinatown, you know? He just got that look. And finally, back on the field after a very tough season, Kamala Harris returns to talk about her new book, 107 days. Here she is on Rachel Maddow getting asked how she feels about Democratic rookie in sports. So, you know, because he's, you know, he's been the assembly, uh, Zoran Mundani. Arguably, the fastest rising star right now in Democratic politics is Zoranam Dani. What do you think of him and his candidacy

and what do you think of mainline democratic shyness and agitation about the prospect that he's going to win? Look, as far as I'm concerned, he's the Democratic nominee and he should be supported. Do you endorse his candidacy? I support the Democrat in the race. Sure. But let me just say this. He's not the only star. I know that, you know, he's in New York, and I know New Yorkers think they're the center of the world,

and here we are in New York having this interview. It is the biggest city in the country. And I love New York as the saying goes. I really do. But, I mean, there are people like Barbara Drummond in Mobile, Alabama, Helena Moreno in New Orleans. They're all running for mayor, too, and they are stars. So I hope that we don't so over-index on New York City that we lose sight of the stars throughout our country, who are right now running for mayor and many other offices, governor and so on.

Shout out Barbara Drummond. Drummond Mentrum sweeping the nation. What if she's related to Andre Drummond, former center for the Detroit. White Pistons. Thank you for that. Here's the thing. She's endorsing Zoran. She does kind of that strange, I support the Democratic nominee thing, which is sort of like an odd way of not being just completely direct. I don't see what the nervousness is, but okay. We just said it was a better answer than Hakeem's barely. Right. I had Hakeem on the pond recently. And I was just like, I used to be a Republican. I'm a capitalist. Zoran and I disagree on that things. It's like, just say, I'm for Zorran. It's not that close, really. He's running against a criminal. and a sex pest and a dude in a beret. Like, those are the choices. Like, that's it. Whenever you endorse, whatever, whatever kind of people you're worried about being upset will be upset.

Trump is going to call you a socialist, regardless of how measured your endorsement is. You see this now playing out with the number of people that you can't say something true if there's some discomfort in it without doing all the throat clearing around it first. Right? We see that all the fucking time. as if the people seeing your statement either either you don't trust them enough to understand that this truth doesn't negate any of your other views, right? Or you don't trust yourself enough to be so clear in your convictions that people understand what you stand for day to day that you don't have to do this work of massaging every statement to include all your ancillary views. Like you can't just say you oppose political violence.

You have to say I oppose political violence, but you can't just say I endorse someone. You have to say I endorse but you're like, there. There's this carefulness and this idea that like people are not adults and able to receive a clear truth about the main thing. And maybe they're right. Maybe they're right. Maybe people can't handle it. I don't think so.

Because imagine anybody talking like this in real life. This is the problem. Nobody talks like this. Like imagine being at a restaurant with someone. You're at a group dinner. You got to the dinner. Everybody could go around. Maybe you're at a steak restaurant.

Everybody's ordering. You know, to come around to you and you're like, you know, I've got some concerns about the climate when it comes to the amount of steak that we're consuming these days and i i generally don't do it you know i'm generally a salad person but uh you know while we're here today given the options on the menu you know charmaine over here picked this restaurant i didn't okay and i'm settling on the rib eye it's like you would look at that person like you're a lunatic i'm never going to dinner with you again like just just talk normal just be like i'm going to have the ribeye and then afterwards you make a joke out of it, not a big rabbi person, really, but whatever, it's pretty good.

That's why I'm having a martini. Wash it down better. You know, just talk like a human. All right, that's where we have to leave it. What a show. What a show it was. I say goodbye to the one the only, Tim Miller. Still walking among us, not yet raptured. What a great speech center. What a great episode. It'll cut down beautifully. Like, subscribe. Leave us a comment. Please help us build out this channel and all the other channels here at Cricket Media. You can also become a paid subscriber and get a bunch of bonus content and add free shows. It helps us build a progressive counterweight to the right-wing media ecosystem that is currently pumping out some pretty noxious stuff. And with that, Tim, can't wait to see you in heaven.

I, I'm at Dorset. We'll see you soon. Become a crooked plus subscriber. It's just so great. It's good. You get to listen to John Fabro in the Discord. And, you know, it's a whole different experience. So I've heard.

I'm not a member. I've been hoping to be to be granted one, but I probably should pay for one. I feel bad. I pay for bulwark. Okay. I pay for bulwark. Bye. Bye, Tim.

You started this late. You started it's new. It's new. I started five minutes late. Get out of here. Get out of here. Bye.