Breaking News from Pod Save America - Trump’s BIZARRE Iran Speech Leaves Crowd STUNNED

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Trump’s BIZARRE Iran Speech Leaves Crowd STUNNED. Emma Vigeland of The Majority Report joins Tommy Vietor. Trump’s Iran messaging keeps shifting as Republicans scramble to control the fallout. Emma Vigeland of The Majority Report joins Tommy Vietor to break it down. CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR: ZIP RECRUITER - http://ziprecruiter.com/CROOKED Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So in the last 48 hours, President Trump has gone from threatening to blow up every single power plant in Iran to saying, just kidding. Let's just chill for a bit. Let's hit pause on the war and let's find the deal and settle this thing. This clip, Supercut actually, should give you a little taste of the weirdness and incoherence of the messaging. Let's watch and then we'll discuss. We've annihilated the defense industrial base eliminating their Navy. We had 158 ships down. I said to my people, why didn't you capture the ship?

I said, were they good or not? They said, they were great, sir. So why didn't you capture it? We could have used them. They said, it's more fun to put them at the bottom of the sea. Pete, I think you were the first one to speak up, and you said, let's do it, because you can't let them have a nuclear weapon. They want peace.

They've agreed they will not have a nuclear weapon, you know, et cetera, et cetera. What about the state of war moves? Who's going to be in control of that? That will be opened very soon, if this works. How soon? And who is in control of it? Will Iran still be able to control the flow of oil? Be jointly controlled.

By whom? Maybe me. We'll at some point very soon meet. We're doing a five-day period. We'll see how that goes. And if it goes well, we're going to end up with settling this. Otherwise, we just keep bombing our little heart show. We didn't break up with a war.

We're just on a break five days. With me to talk about all this today is my friend Emma Vigland, co-hosts of the majority reports. Great to see you again. see you Tommy. Thanks so much for having me on the show. Welcome to LA. Happy war. Oh, yes. I mean, at least it's warm outside when I ponder the end of humanity as we know it. So, you know, you take the winds where you can get them. You do. And by the way, everyone watching, as you can tell, like we remember the last 20 years. We're not in a coma, like the folks over at Fox News, who apparently forgotten the war on terror in Afghanistan and Iraq. And so we, you know,

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algorithm and displaced like the Ben Shapiro's of the world. Oh my gosh. That unfortunately dominate the space. So he says the U.S. and Iran might jointly control the state of hormones, the state of hormones. Is that a huge win for us? Is that what we wanted? Was that worth it? I mean, was it worth bombing a girl's school, killing over a hundred little girls, bombing their oil fields, which is likely going to cause cancer for decades to come, in their soil, in their waterways, um, destabilizing. the entire region, breaking up our relationships with these Gulf states maybe, or at least harming them because they're bearing the brunt of this because these drone attacks, Iran's getting

more bang for their buck when they're targeting the GCC countries than Israel because of the Iron Dome, obviously, although perhaps Iran's missile capabilities have been a little bit underestimated. But like, it is amazing how so much of our foreign policy right now is about giving some sort of head on a spike to this mad king psychopath. And the only victory that is achievable in this instance is one that is rhetorical and one that flatters his ego. And I'll take it if it means that this is over. But it doesn't mean that we haven't kind of indelibly changed the American relationship

with this part of the world forever. This was an incredible act of aggression. and every president before him was not dumb enough, including George W. Bush, to get involved in this war. But we've got a real winner on our hands here. So I'll put you down as undecided on this being a win. Yeah. I'm with you. This is why being, like, I don't know, someone who's responsible is so hard because I think the best case scenario is the war ending today.

Yeah. And the second best is tomorrow, like as soon as humanly possible. we should be clear that it will not be a victory in any sense, I don't think. Like Iran's highly enriched uranium is still sitting there. The regime is still in charge. He didn't avenge the deaths of all the protesters who were killed. Because he cares about that. He cares deeply about protesters.

We've maybe degraded their military missile program, but it's not gone. It just seems clear to me that he woke up this morning, saw the stock market futures way down, saw the Asian markets down, saw the European markets down, was like, you know what, Let's just hit pause. Let's see if we can get Wall Street to chill out for a little while, get the price of oil down and see what we can do. But Iran's got a say in this matter. Like, I just, it feels like a temporary fix. They hold the cards. They have the ability to control the strait.

And Trump doesn't want the political hit of sending the U.S. Navy personnel to escort oil tankers to the strait because it's quite likely that they will be killed. So instead, he was trying to say, hey, Europe, can you send your troops first? on the front lines and they can potentially die for this war of choice that I have started. Yeah, it's really, you're seeing already different countries in Asia are having to ration. I saw, I believe it was Bangladesh, had to shut down classes. Like, this is really impacting some of the smaller Asian countries, let alone what we're going to be seeing with gas prices here in the U.S. Jet fuel just hit over $200 a barrel.

or $200 a barrel, which is more refined and higher than the regular brand pricing. And you already see that airlines are going to be cutting back on the amount of flights that they have. That's double what it was before the start of the war. So Iran's objective here is because they have, frankly, engaged in good faith negotiations for a while. And you go back to the Obama JCPOA, which was, I think, one of his best achievements and one of the better foreign policy achievements of the United States in the 21st century, that was when the U.S. was a reliable negotiating partner for Iran. The agreement was simple. We unfroze their assets in exchange for having this third-party monitor, as you well know, go in and check on Iran's uranium enrichment program

to determine that they weren't enriching at anywhere close to the levels that they could, that they needed to, to create a bomb. And Trump got into office, and he tore that up. So even there, that's where this starts to break down. We're not a reliable negotiating partner because Iran can't trust that the agreements that they make with the previous administration is going to be honored by the next one. And then you have Trump pursuing the Abraham Accords and Biden continuing that. And here we are today.

where it also appears like Trump has been using the ruse of negotiations to lull them into a false sense of security to bomb them. Yeah. Like, I mean, that is a war on the idea of diplomacy. And it's actually quite disheartening to me to see, you know, when in 2008, I say this all the time, how I got invested in politics was my opposition to the Iraq war and getting excited about Obama in that primary campaign. The fact that we've gotten to this point, another entanglement in the Middle East,

obviously our immense complicity in the genocide in Gaza, is, I would say, probably more of a function of political corruption than people are talking about, given the Citizens United Decision and the explosion of dark money from 2010 on. But I don't want to take us down that rabbit hole just yet, but it's disheartening to see. Yeah, I mean, look, the last round of talks, they were, in the middle of negotiations. People thought they had the best meeting yet, the U.S. and Iranians, and then we started bombing them. Last June,

during the 12-day war, the U.S. had been engaged in negotiations with the Iranians, and then the Israelis started bombing them. We pulled out of the JCPOA. We are absolutely not someone that I think the regime thinks they can do business with, in part because Donald Trump, he doesn't send out experts to cut deals for him. He sends out his dumb fuck

son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who is his corrupt as corrupt can be, right? He's got billions of dollars from the Saudis, the Emirates, the Qataris. Then he sends his real estate buddy, Steve Wickoff, who is just an idiot, who does not know what he's talking about. Like, I gave him credit for getting the, uh, the Gaza ceasefire done, but that was about it. All he did there was, you know, lean on the Israelis knowing that Trump would give them everything they wanted down the road. Right. We're seeing. Um, and so here we are. I guess one question I have, like, just to get to the politics of this, do we think that like the maga media, we've, we've watched,

Watch them U-turn towards being in favor of regime change wars of choice when that was one of the reasons they told us they voted for Trump. Do you think they're going to U-turn back here if we cut a deal where we don't accomplish anything? I'm sure they will and they will be praising Trump to high heavens because you know they're avoiding criticizing him all together with this. I'm sure you are eager to talk about this dynamic too because it's fascinating and depressing. I think the person doing this most effectively right now is Tucker Carlson because unfortunately he's kind of gifted at what he does and it's insidious.

I don't know if he's setting himself up for 2028 or what, but he is now retroactively doing things like placing the blame on Israel for getting us into the Iraq war, a war that Tucker Carlson supported when he was, by the way, calling Muslims monkeys at the time, but some revisionist history on his end there. But you'll see that he's never going after Trump specifically. He's blaming Israel and it's...

Or the staff around Trump. Right. Or it was just a victim. Yes, the victim of certain. He's both the strongest person in the world and this incredible authoritarian leader, but also the weakest and most manipulable person alive. It's very, I mean, that's a hallmark of fascism. But, but like, you know, I'm not going to deny because explicitly Rubio and Mike Johnson and others have said that Israel was, and we preemptively struck Iran to protect Israel from when Iran would defend it.

retaliate. So they set that out loud. So I don't think that we should downplay Israel's role in dragging us into this war with Iran, especially because Netanyahu was integral in lobbying against the JCPOA successfully doing that PowerPoint presentation lying about Iran's nuclear capabilities. But we on the left are consistent. We were critical of Biden and said he could have tugged on the leash at any point. He could have slowed the role of this genocide. He could have cut off arms. That could have been a point of leverage and he didn't do that. But yet the right doesn't hold Trump to that same standard. He could do all of those things. He could threaten Israel and say, if our objectives are

divergent from that of Israel, which is what Tucker Carlson keeps claiming, then why doesn't Trump act decisively to rein them in? It's because it's not the case. Yeah, he's a big boy. He's the president of the United States. Yes. You're right. Clearly, like what Rubio said was honest, which was that the Israelis were going to strike. We thought. that the Iranians would retaliate, not just against Israel, but against U.S. bases in the region. Therefore, they said they wanted to preempt that. It's an absurd way to view the world because there's another option there, which is Trump calling Netanyahu and saying, hey, don't bomb them first.

But, like, clearly, Israelis, like Netanyahu, as you said, wanted to bomb Iran for 40 years. He said it publicly. He brags about it. Israeli pressure was part of the calculus that got us here. But Donald Trump's a big boy. Yeah. He's the President of the United States. And that's where it's like, okay, what Tucker's doing is not new.

This is, he's just cribbing from Pat Buchanan. Buchanan would, you know, blamed Israel for our involvement in the Middle East at the time. And it's just a really convenient way to avoid criticizing America because these are fundamentally Christian nationalists and white supremacists in many ways. And so you had this economist interview where I see people giving Tucker Carlson praise for this. It's driving me up a wall because he's saying some of the most obvious things about like, you know, Israel's expansionist aims, but you read between the lines and he says things like, there are elements in the Trump administration that really just hate Europe for some reason. They just hate them. What could he be referring to? He's talking about Jews. And it's not that

subtle to me, but I think that people need to start picking up on this because we're at a very dangerous point right now. And this is what I think a lot of us on the left have been saying for while. The conflation of Zionism and Judaism is leading to a moment of an explosion of anti-Semitism. And Tucker Carlson is using that sentiment to absolve Trump of his actions in this war of criminality and choice because it's more convenient for him to have it both ways for whatever Tucker wants to do next. He doesn't want to alienate the cult, but he also wants to stand in opposition to this war, which is polling at like 41 percent. which is higher or lower than the Iraq war ever got, even at the height of its unpopularity.

So he's playing a dangerous game, and it's just important to note it. Yeah. I think the other big pressure point was clearly coming from gas prices. And then, you know, for Trump, I imagine the market reaction is pretty much the number one thing he hears about from his own social circle. Because remember, like, he leaves the White House. He goes to one of his various country clubs. He's around rich people who complained to him about going from being worth $5 billion to $4 billion, because the market dipped 10%. And so that to me is why they put out Treasury Secretary Scott Besson over the weekend

because under no circumstances is that the guy you put out to talk about the war, right? You put it in Secretary of Defense or Marco Rubio, but Rubio has gone into witness protection. But here's just like a little taste of Besson's interview on Meet the Press that gives you a sense of how it went. We are taking out their missiles, their missile systems, and the factories that build those missiles and now are the General Kane, Secretary Hegsith, are leading a campaign to destroy all the fortifications along the straits of Formos. Just to put a fine point on this, though, is the president in the process of winding down this war or escalating a conflict? Again, they're not mutually exclusive. Sometimes you have to escalate to de-escalate. Would the administration ever raise taxes in order to fund this war?

Again, Kristen, the terrible framing, I think that the... Well, it's just a question, it's a simple question that I think a lot of people have. Well, it's a ridiculous question. Well, what, can you answer it? Why would we do that? That the, that we have plenty, we have a trillion dollars in this year's budget for the military, and President Trump, even before the conflict started, had said that he would like to to further build out the military.

In essence, we are jujitsuing the Iranians. We're using their own oil against them. To be clear, that 14 billion number is grossly overstated. So we gotta escalate to deescalate. You gotta take a shot to sober up. Mm-hmm. Gotta pour some gas. Hair of the dog.

Put that fire out. Makes sense, right? Yeah, makes total sense. What did he just say about Iranian oil? Trump just lifted sanctions. on it. What is he talking about? That is what he's talking. So he says sneaky, so there's a lot stupid in here. We should get into all of it. Sneakily the stupidest thing he says is that we jujitsu the Iranians. That is referencing this Iran, this decision from over the weekend or maybe this

Friday to remove sanctions on Iranian oil and allow them to sell it. It's like 140 million barrels. It'll reportedly make Iran $14 billion. So I guess the jujitsu is giving your opponent a bunch of cash they can use to buy weapons to kill you. And I return to the. the JCPOA when the right wing freak out was saying that we were giving billions of dollars to Iran, which was just unfreezing their money. Yeah. They did back to an arm sale from like the 1970s, the Carter administration with the Shah, which wound its way through the courts and eventually we had to pay them back.

Yeah. And there's so much there that is just so completely nonsensical. But this whole, you know, gas prices thing, I just some drive, I'm in Uber and around LA right now. It's bad, right? $6 gallon right now? Yeah. average is right now near $4 a barrel.

And gas prices was the thing that Trump was touting and earlier in his administration as his great achievement. And now the line is short-term pain for long-term gain. But the American public is not sold on the gain. That's the problem that they have. No, not even close. Like with the illegal criminal war in Iraq, where we killed hundreds of thousands of people,

the Bush administration went through the pretense of trying to manufacture some consent on this and sent out Colin Powell and he held up the yellow cake uranium or whatever he held up and and made it seem like that this was like genuinely a threat plus of course the nationalism after 9-11 made it a much easier sell um so what like how are you going to sell this politically when say you know what are truckers going to go through right now this is already a uh an industry that has been uh cut to the bone and and ravaged and trucker are overworked. Now they're going to be facing these enormous gas prices, some of these freelancers.

You know, the fertilizer crisis is going to significantly impact food prices that are already going up because of this attack. And, you know, I do think that it'll be, this emboldens both Russia and China. The Russia is getting paid. Russia is getting paid as well. They're going to get a lot more money. Like Iran's getting paid. Yeah, Russia. It's, it's, it's allows Putin to jack up the prices and sell Russian oil at an exorbitant rate, and it's going to make him a lot of money. But China also is looking at the United States, alienating itself in this key region, and they've already been working with using soft power in the region, or in Africa in particular too with infrastructure. But they brokered talks a few years ago between the Iranians and the Saudis over Yemen, showing. knowing that like, hey, perhaps we can play an even hand in this region because the other superpower

that's dominant here militarily is pretty over leverage with Israel. And they're going to be the ones that the country that the United States goes to bat for. So perhaps your security guarantees Gulf states weren't as strong as you thought they were because these Iranian drones, I mean, that attack on the Qatari LNG site was disastrous for them. And we're going to be feeling the implications of that for years to come. $20 billion a year revenue hit for the Qataris. I think. We'll take three to five years to fully fix.

Yeah. So I just think China is licking their child. They're basically just saying, like, why interrupt your opponent as they're making a mistake here? And this allows for their sphere of influence to grow because they are a more stable negotiating, or a more stable broker and superpower than the United States is. And we are literally firing off weapons that we would need against China and war. Yeah.

The other thing there that he gets really bitchy about is he says it's ridiculous to ask how we would pay for this war. The context is the White House is about to request $200 billion from Congress. And there it's like his is, his answer is all over the place. He's like, first of all, the frame is wrong. I don't even know what that means. But then he says we have enough money because the DOD budget was $1 trillion. So why are you requesting more is the question? And then again, you and I are like both like came of political age after the Iraq war in 9-11. The Brown University Cost of War project found that between 2001 to 2009, the U.S. spent over $2 trillion on the war in Afghanistan.

From 2003 to 2003, the U.S. spent $2.89 trillion on the war in Iraq and Syria. And some of that's money for the war, some of it is going to be veterans' benefits going forward. We should absolutely ask how much it's going to cost. If this war continues, $200 billion will be the first installment. Their initial request was for a $50 billion supplemental, and now they're asking for $200 billion. And they're saying that this is not a forever war, which, by the way, I don't love the framing

of the forever war thing, because it implies that if this bombing campaign, was short that it would be in any way justifiable. We should be talking about no offensive wars. We should not be engaging in this kind of military belligerents. But yeah, it's a problem for them. I also am quite curious to see how they're going to deal with the fact that the stock, the stock of interceptors is like drastically low. And I mean, this is, there was left-wing critique of drone warfare too. And this is one of the knock-on effects of it is because drones are immensely cheap. And Iran can just push them out whenever they want.

And they're inflicting significant damage for the reasons that we say. We do not defend the Gulf states in the same way that we defend Israel, despite our reliance on them. So Iran holds all of the cards here. And they're going to want to inflict enough pain on the West so that people, the Imperial Corps, us living cozily here in the United States, feel the pain because they feel that's their only point of leverage at this point. If you can't trust that negotiations aren't just a ruse for you to get bombed, if you can't trust the word of the representative of the United States engaging in diplomacy with you, you're going to have to resort to saying, like,

we'll make your population feel pain, which they're normally fairly insulated from, because we can't allow for this kind of thing to happen again, especially because New Ayatollah, hominy, his father was killed and he was a more conservative figure on this front. He was about to regime change himself because he was 86. Right. And now his kids in there. Yeah. So, and I, their stated objectives, I also don't think we should take them at face value.

Them, the Trump people are the Trump people. Like, regime change. Yeah, I could, I could buy that Trump was. enough after Venezuela to think that he could get that done. But do I think that the people around him necessarily think that's possible? Do I think Israel thinks that's possible? I don't really think so. They would rather balkanize Iran.

They would rather have the state fall apart. And the consequences of that be damned. It could create a massive refugee, humanitarian crisis, what have you. Israel doesn't care about that. They're sprinting in this greater Israel project. They're acting with the urgency of a country that's completely, rogue state that's completely out of control bombing the hell out of Lebanon, by the way, like residential buildings, a thousand people dead, at least, if not more. I haven't looked

up the figures. But they're acting with the urgency of understanding that the midterms don't look good for the Republicans. Israel funding is becoming an increasingly salient issue on the Democratic Party side. And Netanyahu sees this as a short-term window to achieve his objectives of basically causing the Iranian state to fall into chaos. And I think this is a theme really across the administration, the Trump administration, too, with the billionaires and all their ransacking and these corporate monopolistic mergers, they're getting while the getin's good.

Because I do think they know that the population, the hordes of people outside are banging down the door and they're ransacking the house and trying to get out the back way while they can because this is not sustainable. Especially if this $200 billion vote comes to a head. I mean, this went from being a thing where, you know, the frame was like, you're going to be attacked for not supporting the troops. I honestly think this is like a massive political opportunity for Democrats,

like loudly oppose $200 billion for more bombs to drop on schools than Iran. Nobody wants that. Like if the Republicans want to go down on that path, that is fine, but this is madness. People want you to spend that money on anything else. And I think you're seeing, first of all, on the Iranian point, like I agree. The new Ayatollah, we killed his dad, his wife, his kid, like everyone around him. We don't really know his health. We don't really know who's in charge.

It's probably just the IRGC. I think for them, the calculus is, yes, we want this war over, but we don't want this to happen again in six months or 12 months or 18 months. Because that's the Israeli strategy. They call it mowing the grass, which is a nice dehumanizing metaphor for killing people. But they don't want to be in a place where their nuclear sites, ballistic missile sites, leadership is getting bombed every six months. So they want to use the U.S. to pressure the Israelis to not do that going forward. So I expect them to exact some costs. And just, I'm sorry.

I just wanted to make one more point because it kind of connects to the Tucker Carlson thing. And I had I had forgotten to say this. But when Trump talks about Pete is speaking up, he's, Pete Hegzeth is taking an increasing role in this. Which is fascinating. Which is fascinating and hard time. Trump today was basically like, Pete, this was your idea. Right. Buddy.

Yeah. And this is a guy that. made his name and got cozy with Trump in 2019 for successfully lobbying for the pardons of convicted war criminals, American soldiers in Iraq, got Trump to do it. I mean, do you know how hard it is to be convicted of a war crime like in this country? In most cases, these were guys like Eddie Gallagher was the famous case, who was his own troops testified against him because it was so outrageous and disgusting what he did.

Yes. I mean, he has a Crusades tattoo, and I know there's some other tattoos. tattoo controversies but Plattenors does not match his politics. This matches perfectly, perfectly with HexS politics. Crusades tattoo, I believe was chanted kill Muslims at the bar. That was an anecdote that was told about him. I don't think that we should trust that the United States' intelligence was wrong when he bombed that girl school.

I think that like we should not underestimate the sadistic racism of this guy. You lost me on that last point. I think that this. Am I being too conspiratorial? Who knows? I think they fucked up. And I think it's one of the worst war crimes. And most people within the uniformed military will go to their graves, like thinking about this every night. But, you know, Pete Higgs-eth, Pete Hegsv not only tried to get war crime criminals pardoned, but also brags about loosening the rules of engagement that would prevent things like this from happening.

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That's ziprecruiter.com slash crooked. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. One final thing. Our wartime president decided to spend part of his day as a tourist. He had this event on like security shit. And then he went to Graceland. You haven't seen this yet. I just wanted to show you this little close.

of Donald Trump's tour to Elvis's house. And if you feel like, you know, this is how a president at war should comport himself. Let's watch. Okay. Elvis had two eighth degree black belts and karate. One was in Kenpo and that's what this match is for. Was he really good or was it just... Actually, he was really good.

He started practicing. Could I have taken him in a fight? I don't know, you might. I think he would have been respectful enough to let you wait. Yes, he probably would. But he and Bruce Lee really brought... Really? Yeah.

He would have been... But he and Bruce Lee really brought karate to... to the West. Yeah. I've seen him. It's good. Yeah. It's very good.

Bruce Lee was pretty good, right? Mm-hmm. Young Elvis smokes Trump in a fight. What about old drunk Elvis? Old drunk Elvis also smokes Trump in a fight. I mean, first of all, like, Elvis has to have some, I mean, he sweat a lot because of all the drugs and all that stuff. But, you know, like, you still have to have some sort of, like, cardiovascular ability because of your performing. I think he could totally take Trump in a fight.

Yeah. It is really funny. Trump's like at least software and I'd be like, I'd be like you let me win. Also, Elvis brought karate to the United States. What is that even? I've never heard. I've never heard anyone say that, anyone. And then putting him in the same category as Bruce Lee.

I mean, there's a, God, Trump loves, like, bastardizing American historical figures from the Kennedys now to this, like, Elvis thing. I mean, that Bruce Lee comments worse than that. awful portrayal of him by Quentin Tarantino in that movie, what do you call, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. That was effed up. Elvis brought karate to the U.S. and invented the blues famously, as we all know. He made it up himself.

Well, that is what's funny. It's like now Elvis, like, cribbed so much of what he did from black artists. Now, apparently, it's also going to be, you know, Asian martial arts as well. We're learning a lot today. Well, no, it's good to see that, you know, instead of delivering a major speech, about this ongoing massive war in the Middle East, we are still doing events at Graceland with little Iran Toppers or when the MLS soccer team

comes to an Iran Topper on that. So it's very serious, very thoughtful stuff. Good messaging. There is a weirdness about nostalgia right now. I feel like when we're kind of in more like fascistic right wing times, like in the 80s, you know how they were back to the future is all about 50s nostalgia and there was all that nostalgia.

We're in that time period right now where I feel like also our algorithm rhythms every time I open my it's like he's posting about who they were in the 90s right everyone's posting about who they were in the 90s or like the goo goo dolls but like yes you can pick a different songs other 90s songs right and like look okay did I like Gilmore girls back in the day yes do I need to see 40 posts about it on my feet but it keeps people in this like retrograde mindset where they're not open to again maybe I'm being a little too conspiratorial but I do think like it's making people dumber and less curious to constantly have fed to them or

old nostalgic like dopamine hits that were in their brain when they were 16 years old and it was still forming and they're not opening themselves up to like new art from say like people of color or trans people like that might if you had a more curious mind you'd be open to that but our you know the techno technologarchs just want us to be satiated and imagining the times when you know we were in high school and on the football team or something stupid gugu dolls is the opiate of the masses yeah open your eyes to new regime change wars right right everyone right going to Cuba next oh god well it's unfortunately too real it's unfortunately too real I mean what we've done to what we've done to Cuba another horror story horrifying uh Emma great to see you great to great to be here great to come in and thank you for laughing so we don't cry I appreciate it thank you so much for having me it's always good to talk to you