Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Awkward Tuesday: Nerf Knights Forever

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

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Starting point is 00:02:49 It is Brooke and Jeffrey's Second Date Update podcast. Thank you so much for being here. And if you're just finding this podcast, thank you for being present. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So many people that go back like six, 10. The guy commented from an episode that was 15 years old.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Whoa. Was it our first one ever? He was like, I think this is a repeat. I'm like, you're married. I don't need. Yeah. I don't even know what to say to you. No.
Starting point is 00:03:17 Yeah, I like when people go back to episodes were like 10 years ago and they correct us on the trivia that was wrong. Oh, that's so funny. Guys, I see your comment, but I'm not going to go back and fix it now. How many kids is Beyonce have? It's like, it's this now. Well, that was 10 years ago. Exactly, exactly.
Starting point is 00:03:32 So welcome to the present day. This is your second day podcast, and we got a brand new awkward Tuesday phone call for you. Oh, yeah. And Orrin commented, and I know he's going to like today, because he said, y'all have been putting me to sleep for years in a good way. Second date update and awkward Tuesday slash Thursday are the goat. Yay.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Yeah, there we go. Get in bed. Orrin, get ready to sleep. Yep. All right. I wonder if it's midday, and he's like, oh, this is a good one. Yeah. I'm, we're here for it.
Starting point is 00:03:58 We're here for it. Enjoy the brand new episode. It starts right now. If I had to guess, I would say 99.9% of boyfriends would never ask their girlfriends to do this. Uh-oh. And don't worry, it's nothing gross. It's just a really dumb question to bring up in any relationship. Oh, dumb, okay. But one of our listeners tried it. And I almost yelled out, dead man walking during the call.
Starting point is 00:04:28 Well, that's awkward. Ooh, well, you should. Yeah, I probably should have known. It was appropriate. Knowing how it turned out in the end. But you will not believe the question that this guy actually floats to his girlfriend. Wow. In your brand new, awkward Tuesday phone call.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Next. It's awkward. It's Tuesday. It's awkward Tuesday phone call. When you talk about the big milestone moments in any relationship, there's obviously the first kiss. Okay. The first time saying, I love you. Aw, that's such a sweet moment.
Starting point is 00:05:00 The first time saying, I love you, sober. Oh, even sweeter. Those are different. They are. That's really fun. Very important. And apparently one of our listeners, Stephen, is approaching a major milestone for his relationship. Cute.
Starting point is 00:05:15 For stay sober? I'm kidding. He wants our help with it. Stephen, welcome to the show. I'm assuming you need advice on how to get into her parents' inheritance, because I know that's a really big one. Oh, boy. Why did I think you were going to say pants? Or maybe both.
Starting point is 00:05:30 I mean, you know, hey, make mine a double. That's what I always say. Oh, I don't know what that means. Is that what that meant? At the same time? Yeah. Family pants. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:43 I'm assuming that you're joking with us, and I like that. Yeah. Totally. Tell us what the real situation. What's going on with you and your girlfriend? All right. So, not a problem. And here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:05:56 Wait, what's not a problem? Maybe your phone cut out. We missed some of what you said. You just said, not a problem. I'd say, not a problem. Okay, so you heard correctly. Okay. Can you start with the problem? No, he's just calling a chat.
Starting point is 00:06:10 That's cool. Tell us about your girlfriend. Well, I mean, I'll tell you what's going on and like, I get it. You know, I get it. Smart people will understand. But then I got it. Am I having a stroke? Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:23 I don't know what's happening. I need you to put the cap back on the bottle. of Jameson or whatever it is. I think we need to be more specific, Jeff. I want to know. You have a girlfriend, yes? Yeah, I've got a girlfriend, Tracy. Tracy, okay, Tracy.
Starting point is 00:06:40 And how long have you been dating? By two years. Okay. So I moved in with her about a year ago. Okay. She has an apartment. I moved in with her. We were trying to save money at the time.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Oh, romantic. But yeah, yeah. But we got some things came up, though, because I've got a buddy of mine. Actually, I've got a group of buddy, but my one buddy needs some help. And he's a good dude, Sebastian, and he is fresh out of prison. Not going to sugarcoat it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:11 Okay. Does Tracy know Sebastian? She never met him before. Right, because he was in prison. That makes sense. I grew up with these guys, right? There's four of us. We used to call ourselves the Nerf Knight.
Starting point is 00:07:24 The Nerf Night. The Nerf Knights. Oh, that's kind of cute. Oh, because you got into like Nerf battles with each other? We were young. And usually when people tell me about their childhood friends, I'm assuming it was during your youth. I think the whole point of what he's saying is that he's very bonded to Sebastian. Sebastian's just out of prison.
Starting point is 00:07:41 You're wanting to help him out. Girl brothers. Core friend group. I also have childhood friends that are in and out of prison. Okay, perfect. You came to the right place, Stephen. So keep going. What's going on with you and your Nerf night friends?
Starting point is 00:07:53 So the other night, I'm playing Call of Duty with them, right? the four of us. And we came up with this idea that if the four of us, if we all live together, that would help out Sebastian, you know, get back on his feet. And the four of us, we could all save money too. And then after a year, well, then I could move back in with Tracy. Oh, wait. So you want to tell your girlfriend that you're moving out of the house with her and moving in with your three best bros? The Nerf Knights, Brooke. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Yes. Yes. Temporarily. Temporarily. That's an important word here. Why can't the three of the other Nerf nights just do it without you? Do you think I want to miss that epic party? Are you nuts?
Starting point is 00:08:41 Would you still pay your half of the rent to your girlfriend or she'd be left paying more and having to move out? That's a good question. Well, now hold on one second here because it was her apartment first. Oh, no. Okay. She was already paying that like on. her own. Plus, you got to understand, this is something the four of us have always wanted to do.
Starting point is 00:09:01 And when we were young, we made a commitment to the group that it was group first, two second. Oh, wow. How young were you when you made that up? You're going to have to beat that. It feels weird when eight-year-old say that to each other. I'm going to see they were maybe 13 or 14 when they went that route. Whatever it is. Well, at least this is smarter than all you get locked up and sharing a cell. Yeah. It's a sweet sentiment. But, also from the girlfriend's perspective, like, it feels like you're going back in the maturity level. You know?
Starting point is 00:09:31 Like her boyfriend's moving into a frat house that isn't sanctioned. Well, let me ask you a question because have you ever had regrets in life? Because let me tell you, this is like a bucket list. This is like a bros bucket list item. You know, I say Nerf nights forever. It's always been my saying. That's what I'm saying, right? All for one and four for all.
Starting point is 00:09:52 That was our saying. The hair guys should be a high school team. You guys had a lot of things. Yeah. So let's cut to why did you reach out to us for help? What are you looking to do here with your awkward Tuesday call? I need you guys to explain it to Tracy. She's not going to be happy.
Starting point is 00:10:07 Oh, you already know that. I can't imagine why. Yeah. It's not like you're asking your girlfriend to break up for a year. You want to stay together and still date. Yeah. I can come over, do laundry. She can make dinner.
Starting point is 00:10:20 We can have like a nice evening at the house. No, definitely, definitely put it to her that way. Yeah. There might be part of your girlfriend that's stoked on this idea. A guy who'd move out and still pay rent? Yeah. I mean, I didn't say I was going to pay the rent. You know, and they had to like pay a little bit or something, you know?
Starting point is 00:10:39 Shocking. Yeah. I mean, at that point, it's her apartment. She should have some responsibility. Okay. You clearly are very, very adamant about doing this with your buddies, the Nerf Nights. I am. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:51 You need our advice. on how do you convince your girlfriend that it's not taking a step backwards in your relationship to move in with your bros for just a year and then move back. It's a good idea, Jeff. Yes. It'll be great for everybody. I like that tone. I'm glad that we all agree that's the case. But how do we get his girlfriend to believe it too?
Starting point is 00:11:09 That's going to be our challenge when we come back with some solid advice and let you make your awkward Tuesday phone call coming up right after this. It's awkward Tuesday. It's awkward Tuesday phone call. I want you to picture four young boys. Okay. I don't like how it started either. I probably shouldn't put it like that. Okay, no, picture four fully grown men who still act like four young boys.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Okay. Most men come to my mind. They all live together like the Nerf Knights of the Roundtable, where nobody does the dishes, and there's been a piece of cake on the floor for the past 30 days. Wow. And everybody just walks around it. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Why do I just picture mattresses on the floor? Of course. Yeah. No pillowcases in sight. Yes. You're all seeing the exact dream that our listener Stephen has. You're so right about pillowcases.
Starting point is 00:12:09 To live with his three childhood buddies. The one obstacle in his way, an angry, fire-breathing girlfriend. Who he currently lives with. Yeah. And today, He wants to break the news that he wants to do this and live with these guys for an entire year and then move back in with his girlfriend again. That doesn't sound too hard to do, right, friends?
Starting point is 00:12:34 Yeah, I think we got this. Yeah. She knows who she's dating. Yeah, I mean, you know, this shouldn't be shocking. That's good point. Right, Stephen? Yeah, I would say so. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Okay. All he's looking for is a little bit of advice so that his girlfriend, is excited about this idea and doesn't think they're taking a step backwards in their relationship. So, Brooke, what do you have to say to Stephen here? I'm going with the night theme, Stephen. I'm going to make you the night in shining armor, okay? Thank you. You're going to tell her, honey, I hate the way we moved in together because of finances.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Ouch. That was not romantic. It was not how I wanted to do it. I'm going to move out so that we can do it the right way, and this will lead us to marriage more quickly. I guess. I don't know. That gave you high.
Starting point is 00:13:25 He's a little lukewarm on the idea. Jose, what's your advice? If she's like any girlfriend in history, there's going to be times where she needs space. And you're giving it to her. Oh, lots of it. But if she wants to hang, you're on speed dial. So she's in control now, right? If she needs space, she already has it.
Starting point is 00:13:42 She wants to see you. Drop of a dime. She can be right there. Can he promise that? See, I kind of like this is I'm being proactive here. I'm giving her the space before she even after. You're giving her control. You're not doing this for yourself.
Starting point is 00:13:54 You're doing it for her. Yeah, I don't want to know. I'm really imagine to play swords with his friends and not answering her back and text. Yes. Because she wouldn't want to see that in person. Right. Too sexy. I'm feeling pretty confident about this.
Starting point is 00:14:06 I don't know about you, Stephen. Yeah, just don't bring up the fact that she would ever have to go over and stay there. Okay. Don't mention the cooking dinner, the laundry. Yeah. Check, check and check. Got it. All right.
Starting point is 00:14:17 We're ready to do this. I'm going to dial your girl. girlfriend Tracy and then we'll step away and let you make your call. Good luck, man. Here we go. Okay. No problem. Here we go. Hey, babe. What's going on over there? Hey, what number are you calling from? Oh, man. It's a work number thing I got going on. So it's a little weird.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Okay. Everything. Everything good at work. Yeah, no, I'm taking a break, taking a break. I thought I'd read. chat to you see what's how your day's going. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, everything's good. Quiet. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, with this weekend, uh, we still, are we going to your mom's house for dinner or we can pick up and bring it there, you know? That's where that's never a problem, you know. Yeah, no, she wants to, she wants to make us dinner, which is really sweet. So, um, so, so yeah, we're, as long as that's still good with you, then, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. You know, that sounds good. So, uh, so listen, I guess I had a great opportunity come my way. And I wanted to call you. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Wait, like, are you getting promoted?
Starting point is 00:15:43 Oh, uh, no. Actually, uh, it's actually, uh, it's actually, it's actually kind of better. It's actually kind of better than that. Um, wait, are you going to leave your job and go work for my dad? Oh. Hmm. No. No. Okay. This is better. This is better than both of those ideas combined. Can you stop making me guess? I'm not very good at these games.
Starting point is 00:16:08 All right, all right. I'll do the three hints then. Three hints. Ready? Okay. All right. Sebastian, Derek, and Randy. Wait, I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:16:19 What is the opportunity? Okay, well, so since you brought it up, you know, Sebastian, is trying to get back on his feet. And Randy, well, he just got a job. You know, he's doing barback in downtown near the city, actually. Okay. We were all playing Call of Duty last night. I was amped up, and they're all like, hey, bro, before you get married,
Starting point is 00:16:45 we should all live together one time as adults. Wait, are we getting married? You know, that's sure. that's always a possibility, but you're missing the point. The main point here is the Nerf Knights. Hello. This is our one chance. We could live together, one tribe, one roof for a year, and then move back.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Wait, I'm sorry. You want to go live with your childhood friends, including one that's been in prison? Are you serious? Babe. It's our one chance. to get the Nerf Knights back together. What? I love that too.
Starting point is 00:17:35 I don't know, I'm on board. What is going? Who is this? What is going on? We're kind of like the Nerf Knights. There's four of us. She doesn't really sound on board, though. Hey, Tracy.
Starting point is 00:17:45 This is a prank. No, it's not a prank, but you are on a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning in the middle of an awkward Tuesday phone call. Oh, my God. That's for sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Are you kidding me? We're not kidding you because Stephen is a listener, and he asked for our help reaching out to you because he did have this interesting proposition he wanted to bring your way. And he was scared that you might not take it the right way. Really? What would be the right way? I think the right way would be you being like, yeah, that's awesome. That's a great idea. Steven, move in with the Nerf nights.
Starting point is 00:18:18 See? If I wanted to break up with him, sure. Oh. Whoa. I think Tracy, you just need to understand. It's only 12 months. If you two are truly meant to be together forever, what's 12 months in a forever timeline, right?
Starting point is 00:18:32 What's your lease like anyway? Would you be able to move in soon? No, no, no, no, no, no. That wasn't the original plan. I don't know if she just resigned her. I don't think she wants to move in with her. No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:42 I mean, we've been living together for a year. It's like if you haven't figured out at this point that I'm the person for you and that you want to be living with me, then I don't know what we're doing. Oh. Listen, babe, I know. know that you've never hung out with them extensively before, but they're really good guys.
Starting point is 00:19:01 And Derek is, he's actually funnier than me. You would like him. Oh, wow. That's hard to do. He's actually pretty funny. Stephen is really awful lot. Not on purpose, though. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:19:12 Look, if they get their own place, fine. I'll let you go visit them, I don't know, once a month, like you visited Sebastian in prison. Oh. Oh. What's a month? That was low. I'll let you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:25 I don't like that at all. I don't either, Jose. That's a good friend that goes visit every month, though. Yo, that is good friends. I mean, because prisons are never in a convenient location. Seriously. That's always tough. She was a model prisoner, okay?
Starting point is 00:19:38 First of all. We got on time. Second of all, look, once a Nerf night, always a Nerf night. I understand. Can we please discuss it later? I didn't, like, at home? That's fair. Which home?
Starting point is 00:19:53 Or the cast. of the Nerth Nights. Okay. We don't need to be a part of this conversation this entire time. But Sebastian, but not Sebastian. Stephen just wanted our help because this is something that him and his friends have always dreamed of doing. They're almost like into full adulthood now. And this might be the last opportunity to get to live together.
Starting point is 00:20:15 And honestly, Tracy, can I just talk to you for a second? It could be your last opportunity if you end up getting married. Just have some peace and quiet by yourself. Like a year of all you? I'm saying, this is not that bad for you. I mean, it gives me the opportunity to, I don't know, meet somebody else maybe while I'm hanging around waiting for him to come back to me. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Wow. Come on, Tracy. I don't think you want to give somebody that much space. What? Wait. He is a reason he wants to leave. You know how women are. I knew this is going to blow up.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Okay. That's not needed either. It doesn't sound like I have any chemistry. You know what? I feel like we've made a lot of progress in this phone call. I don't know if it's backward progress or forward progress, but at least the idea is out there now. You're right, Jeffrey. And I think whatever happens with this couple was supposed to happen.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. So why don't you, too, take the conversation back home off the air and you can discuss whether or not you really want to do this. But either way, we support it. Yeah. And tag us in the Nerf NIRF nights live stream, because I'm sure there will be one. Oh, my God. Why didn't I think about that?
Starting point is 00:21:22 That's a great idea. Broke and Jeffrey in the morning. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now.
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Starting point is 00:22:46 Health stuff is about learning, laughing, and feeling a little less alone. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think Brooks said it best. Whatever happens next with this couple is probably what was meant to happen for this couple. You stay together. That's life. And if you bring up, that's probably supposed to. I just have a feeling down the road we're probably going to be doing an awkward Thursday call with just Stephen.
Starting point is 00:23:16 Where he's not living with his girlfriend anymore or with. at the Nerf Nights because they've all been arrested. Oh, I thought we were going to have laser stories about the Nerf Nights for sure. They might be in there. A man named Sebastian escapes. Yeah, I hope not for Sebastian. He's got to be on parole. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Yeah, and he was on good behavior. Yeah, yeah. I know. Either way, I can't wait to hear from Stephen directly or maybe watch the Netflix crime documentary about the downfall of the Nerf Nymph nights. Either way, we listen. I actually sounds really good. I know.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Wow. Probably like a six-part episode. Yeah, for sure. In the documentary. Oh, yeah. We would. We would. We might even win some like Emmy for it. No, you don't want to be a part of this Dr. Henry Camp.
Starting point is 00:23:55 It was a bad thing. Oh, okay. We're not hoping for that. Just to be clear. We're just speculating. Sure. But, you know, if you haven't, hit subscribe to our podcast. Nothing bad can happen then.
Starting point is 00:24:05 Never. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plainly. sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January men promise to get
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