Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Closure Call: Sister Secret

Episode Date: December 25, 2025

One of our listeners had a drunken night at the bar and it led to an entire year of silence between her and her sister. Now she wants our help reuniting the family with a Closure Call!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If you'd call that a demonstration. But as bad as that sounds, it was even worse for one of our listeners. Because what happened after one drunken night out at the bars has led to an entire year of her and her sister not speaking a word to each other. So now she needs our help to try and bring their family back together. You'll find out what happened in your closure call right after this. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. And if I've learned anything from watching the movie Frozen over and over,

it's that sisters always get along. No, sisters always have each other's back. It's true love. It doesn't mean that they always get along. Okay, yes. Maybe that's the better way. I mean, sure, they might be a little annoying sometimes and accidentally cast a spell that sends the whole country into a violent eternal winter

that threatens to destroy everything. But you know what, for the most part, zero drama. Dude, seriously, though, sometimes she can be in a mood, and I'm just like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. That's normal, though. Strangely, though, it's not the case for one of our listeners named Amelia, who's reached out for a closure call, needing help with a little bit of her family drama. I am so mad this isn't Elsa.

Let's talk to her name is, again, Amelia. Amelia, welcome to the show. Thank you. You're welcome. Do you have more than one sister, or is it just you and her? It's just the two of us. Okay. Okay. That's awesome.

What's going on with you and your sister? What made you reach out to us? Okay. This is a lot, but I'll give you the cliff notes. So I am traditionally super close with my family. Okay. Close with my mom and dad. We all kind of live near each other.

And like my little sister, Carissa, was like in the same boat. I mean, like, you lived on a boat together? That's kind of cute. It's the tropical version of Frozen. Yeah. Okay, I know you're close with all of your family. That's nice. Yeah, but, I mean, sisters are how they are.

I mean, like, I'm not going to sit here and say that my sister and I didn't fight a lot about trivial things. But I was just talking about this with Alexis because she lives with twin sisters. And, like, the thing about sister fights is you can, like, literally feel like your blood is boiling. And then 20 minutes later, it's done. And you're over it and you move forward. Right. And that's always been the case. I mean, we had fights where, like, you would have thought we would kill each other before the fight ended.

So it's volatile, but, like, it's not anything out of the ordinary, I don't think. Okay. So there were a lot of little fights, but it sounds like it leads up to one big fight. Yeah. So things have gone completely off the rails. And now I just have no idea what to do. Why? What happened?

Yeah. One night, we were on our way out. And, like, before we even went to the bar. I noticed that she was wearing my mom's jewelry with a necklace, like a little pendant, and this ring that I'm obsessed with that's like this pearl ring that's surrounded by a little tiny diamonds. It's adorable. Oh, my God. And you're always jockey and like, hey, mom, you should really give that to me when you kick the bucket.

Yeah, like, I'm the oldest. I want dibs on these things. I'm so happy. I thought my family was the only one. Oh, my God. At my grandmother's house, we just put our names in masking tape on the stuff that we wanted. Well, all my grandparents were still alive. That's messed up. Oh, God. Well, at least that gives you a little bit of perspective, Amelia.

Your situation could be worse. You could be Brooke's sister. So, wait, how did she get the ring, though? So my mom does have quite a few pieces that are heirloom pieces, and she has given Carissa a few, and she's given me a few. And so we do have them, and, like, I have one that's really similar. But, like, my issue with it is, like, we're going out tonight, like, to the bars. Like, you can't throw on some cheap stuff from Forever 21.

Like, you have to wear mom's, like, precious stuff. And so I just didn't think that was a good idea. And so I had a bad attitude. I accept that. And maybe that led to her drinking a little bit more heavily than she would have. Like, I've come to terms with that. Did something happen? Yes.

So the ring is gone. She took it off, like, wash her hands or something. And, like, hey, good on you for washing your hands. I'll give you points for that. But, like, why did you have? have the ring on in the first place if you are someone who takes them off to wash their hands. Yikes.

Okay. Yeah. So how long ago was the ring lost? So this was over a year ago. Whoa. Oh, a year? Yeah. I don't know. I was like went to the bar over the weekend. I know. No. Why are you waiting a year to, like, talk to us to talk to her? Yeah. What's happened

since that night with you and your sister? Absolutely nothing, except she moved out of state. That's all I know. We have not spoken. She won't return a text. Nothing, but she moved a thousand miles away, so she would never have to see me. Wait, you guys aren't talking? The fight continues.

No. We got to a huge fight, and, like, granted, I said some things that I should not have said. I was very angry, but, like, she was drunk and said some things, too. Like, we really got into it. And then about a month goes by, she moves out of state, and that's it. Whoa. Wait, did your parents know what happened? Do your parents know that she lost the ring and that was the start of all this?

No, she won't talk to anybody. Like, I know what happened. It's between us and you guys now. But, like, she literally just fell off the face of the planet. I mean, okay, I get it. It's a huge deal, but it's not a big enough deal that you should break up your family over it. I feel like you're older now, and you two need to get on the phone and apologize to each other. I think Brooks saying that you should find a different sister to replace her.

That would think everything better. Sisters are replaceable. That makes me so sad for you. Oh, yeah. And I bet it would break your mom. Your mom's heart, like, of course, your mom's going to be upset that the ring's gone, but she would be even more upset to know that her girls aren't talking because of it. So that's why you reached out to our show to do this closure call so we could try and help you get back in touch and maybe try and mend some broken fences with your sister, right? Exactly.

And you haven't had any chance to apologize to her until now. Right, because, I mean, I would have had she been able to return a text or call, but I don't want to, like, you know, dump on her via text and just, like, well, I said it, so I'm good because, like, that's not helpful either. You want to have a healthy conversation back and forth. Yeah, so do it the healthy way by going through a radio show. I like this. And so you've been working with our producer off of the air before we made this call to come up with the four questions that you wanted to send to your sister, Clarissa,

and try and get some answers for her to help you get some closure and get you guys talking again. So we've sent those for you, and I will tell you, Clarissa did respond back. Did Clarissa explain it all? Oh, that, no one gets that. Come on. Okay, there's been people that are laughing, texting. Tell Brooke, that was funny, because it was. I don't know what was said.

I haven't even read what she wrote. I don't haven't read the questions. I haven't read the answers. We're going to find all of this out for the first time when we come back. I hope there's all swear words in it, Jeff. I hope not, too. It's going to happen when we do your closure call right after this. We're in the middle of a closure call with our listener,

Amelia. Just a quick recap of what's happened. She and her little sister have not spoken to each other in over a year after a big fight that they had when they went out to the bars one night and her sister drunkenly lost their mom's heirloom jewelry. So that led to an argument. Some things were said that Amelia now regrets because the sister ended up moving away and nothing is worth losing a family member like that. Which is why she's asked. us to help her reach out back to her sister to get some answers. I can't imagine what you said.

I mean, honestly. Do you want to repeat some of those things right here on the radio, Amelia? I mean, I will say I said a lot of regretful things, but nothing that merits a year of silence. Like, I'll say that. That's fair. We'll see if she says the same thing.

I know Brooke has said there's got to be something else, some other reason, because a jewelry fight isn't a big enough reason to do that. And that got me thinking, what if she never actually lost the jewelry? What do you mean? What if she went and pawned it and lied and now feels guilty about it? Because that's what I...

Ponded the night they were drinking. She had it on when they left. I mean, that's what I would have done. I would have gone right to the pawn shop. She's just not leaving abroad this entire time. No, if anything, this ring has more sentimental value than financial value. Your family heirlooms are like my family heirlooms. Like, we love them.

They're very sentimental to us. But then you go get it appraised. And we're like, well, we could give you $26. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We can all call our parents jewelry cheap later. But now we need to get into these questions because, as you know, Amelia has already worked with our producer to send these four questions to our sister.

We have her answers ready to read. Amelia, are you ready for this? I am. Okay. Here we go. Let's go to the first closure call question. We said, first of all, I feel completely terrible about the last time we hung out. I want to apologize for getting so angry and blowing up at you about mom's jewelry.

I went way over the line with what I said, but I don't think it's worth moving out of state and breaking off contact with me. I'm super sorry. Can you forgive me? I mean, that butt would hit me wrong. I'm going to tell you. It's delete everything in front of it. Yeah. I mean, I wish it was a little more brief.

I probably rambled on because I haven't talked around so long, but it gets the overall point. across, I guess. And also, I'm not a very good reader, so I'll put some of that on me. I mean, Jeff. We're going to know exactly how she felt in her tone of her response. What she said? We're basically asking for forgiveness, and your sister wrote back, she said, well, I do appreciate

you saying that. And I can 100% forgive you. Oh. I will let you know I had a friend tell you that I moved out of state, but really, I just moved to a new neighborhood. What? I'm about seven blocks. away from you.

What? No, that's... That sounds ridiculous. I haven't run into her seven blocks away. Actually, that's not. I had a friend who moved into the same apartment complex with me

and I never once saw him ever in a year that he lived there. She might be actively trying to avoid you even when you're out and about. Like she wears a mustache and maybe some sunglasses. I mean, I don't know if she would go that far. Are you shocked?

I'm shocked. That was a very casual sounding response, I feel like. I wouldn't put the mustache. Ash and loss is saying pastor, I mean, this is really immature to do, like to tell somebody you moved out of state and you've just been there the whole time. Like, yeah, I'm a little put off by that. Okay. Well, let's move on to question two here. We wrote to her, while I am sorry I reacted that way, I feel like you would have done the same. I told you mom's jewelry

was important to me and you ignored what I said and lost it. Do you think maybe I could get an apology from you? Oh, God. That's what you wanted? Yeah, accountability is important. And like, she has black accountability in other situations. So, like, yeah, I do still hold her to that standard. Okay, okay. We're asking for an apology from her. She wrote back, absolutely. I am sorry that that happened.

Okay. I drank way too much and acted like a total idiot, and I feel really, really bad for losing mom's things. Why is your sister so reasonable and not talking to you? Because she's sober when she's writing back. I think the fights were all. It's been a year, Jeff. I'm sure she's been sober within the last year.

Like, sure. We don't know. But she keeps going. She says, that's not really the main reason I've been keeping my distance, though. I knew it. Yeah. What is it? What is it?

What is it? What is it? I'm more confused now than ever, honestly. Okay. Well, maybe we'll get some more answers as we keep moving through these. We're going to the third question in the closure call. We sent, we haven't been able to catch up in the year since you moved. So is there anything else I should know?

Your sister wrote back, well, I'm nervous to tell. you this. But the main reason why I cut contact and moved a little farther is it. Here it is. Is because I met someone. Oh. Well, technically re-met someone and we became very, very

close. Okay. Please don't hate me forever, but for the last year or so, I've been seeing your ex, Ryan. What? What? Did you hear that? Yeah, I heard it But, like, no, I also did not just hear that because that is like, that is such a boundary. Are you kidding me?

Ryan and I literally lived together when she was living, like, a few blocks away when we were living in the same complex. Like, it's not even okay even if, like, nothing started when we were together. Like, you can't go fishing in a different pond. Like, you have to go after my exes. Are you kidding me? You understand that's why she said she knew you'd be mad and it's inappropriate and that's why she's been hiding for her. That's disgusting. I'm completely disgusted.

I'm not mad. I am literally physically ill right now. She does keep going and says, I'm really, really sorry. It just happened and we didn't want to hurt you. So we've tried to keep it a secret. Oh, yeah, because that's way better, right? That's super better.

I love how she says, I don't want to hurt you, but I'm not going to talk to you for a year. Like, what do you think about it? Are you still in love with Ryan? No. I mean, like, I love said. That was the first guy I ever lived with. Like, we were together, like, through college,

and then we moved back. Like, she wouldn't have even known him if I had not. moved in with him back home. Oh, my God. I feel like that's kind of creepy on his part. Like, and what if, like, what if they are, like, living together? They, like, you know, like, what? Like, one day I'm going to be family with him, too.

No, like, no. I'm super close to my family. Like, I cannot even believe that this is like. I mean, I'm so sorry, but we're running out of time here, and I have to get to the fourth and final question that we sent. I get it. So what we wrote to her was, I know we fight sometimes, but I do really miss you. We're sisters and we need to love and

cherish each other, is there any chance we can meet and catch up in person? Yeah, that didn't age well. We knew the answer. Hard pass. Did you say hard pass? That was your own question. Which again, we write before we get any of the answers back. Right. That did

not age well. Wait, you still don't want to see her? You should see her. I'll tell you that she did answer it. Yeah, what does she said? I want to know. She wrote, well, actually Ryan and I are supposed to go to mom and dads for the next holiday. So if that's not going to be too weird, for you.

She says, FYI, mom and dad know already about me and Ryan. They've known for four or

five months. Oh, but we all agreed not to tell you because we were worried that you wouldn't be able to handle it.

Girl, you'll show them. You can handle it, right? Like, I'm literally speechless. I have no. I have no words.

I mean, like, what am I even supposed to say to that? Like, so my mom and dad have been lying to me too. Like, that's perfect.

That's great stuff. Lying. Well, they could tell that you're, I mean, you know... No, there's no excuse. Like, you can't protect somebody

by, like, hiding the truth from them. You can't protect somebody by freezing them out by not talking to them. Like, none of them handled this right from Jump Street. And I've been sitting here feeling guilty about some out-of-pocket comments

that I made when I was rightfully angry. Like, that makes me... Like, I'm a way more pissed now. Deep breath. Does Ryan have a brother you could date? Oh. I'm just saying. Yeah, tip for tat.

No. If anything, I will, like, I'm going after Ryan's dad. Oh! Well, at least maybe the good news that came out of this is we've reopened the communication line with you and your sister and we've learned what really happened. I think after you sit with this. Oh, sure. We'll communicate. Okay.

Well, I was going to say, I think after you sit with this for a minute, maybe you'll see that it's not as big of a deal as. I'm going to sit with it on Ryan's dad's lap as of right now. I'm assuming. Oh, geez. Oh, my God. That was your closure call. I actually support that. Okay.

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Please enjoy responsibly. Well, that was a lot. Yeah, that was a lot. You know, it's so funny that there's drama in families. Yeah. It's weird when part of the family keeps secrets and the other part don't. And then it all comes out. Who would have known this was drama?

Dude, I feel like the parents are at the most fault in this. I don't know why, but I believe mom and dad. I blame them. At least can't, right? Like, don't say it, but be like, hey, you may want to check on your ex. Force one of the daughters to come clean and be honest about it from the beginning, you know? Like, if she would have gone and said, hey, do you mind? I have interest in.

I know this is sticky. Maybe they could have had a more honest conversation. That's just too hard. Okay. Keep me a secret, much simpler, safer. All right. Did you get any comments on this one? Yeah, someone said my jaw actually dropped listening to this.

This was a wild ride. Yeah, totally. Yep. And another person said, as a first time closure call listener, this was pretty damn good. Oh. This is your first one? Oh, wow. What is that a tone?

You got some more to catch up on for sure. Yeah, you do. Go binge those. Uh-huh. Thanks for being here. Please hit that subscribe. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is gentleman's cut.

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