Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Second Date Update: Beer & Butterfly Kisses

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

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Yeah, Eric from Indiana texted in, just saw I'm in the 0.05% of your top list on Spotify. That's around 81,000 minutes with you guys. Oh, my God. And I hope it's more next year. I feel like that's more time than I spent with myself. That's like four more times of the amount of music I listened to. Yes, that's crazy. So cool.

Eric, you are literally paying our salaries. Yes. We love it. And to Apple users, sorry, Apple Podcast. I know. You don't get a raft. But we know you're listening. You love you all.

Make up your number and text in. Yeah. Please, and keep tagging us. It's at Brick and Jeffrey. We love you so much. We've got a brand new, what are we doing right now? Second date. Yep.

That's the name of this podcast. We're doing it. It's brand new. It's right now. Second Date Update. When you get ghosted after a first date, is it hurtful? Wait, what's how? Of course it is, Jeff.

If you don't have to tell yourself, it doesn't hurt. Yeah. I mean, good news is it starts to hurt less and less, the more it happens to you. Yeah, now you're just numb. Yeah, that numbness, it's kind of a nice feeling. It's not a feeling. That's the whole point of the numbness. Exactly.

Now we're on the same page. But our listener, Claire, believes there's something more behind why her date isn't reaching out to her. And she's come to us asking for assistance. So, Claire, why is Brooke laughing at you? I don't know. I'm just wondering if she is, like, totally insulted by your intro here. Like, have you been ghosted that many times, Claire? No, I'm just super worried about him.

Okay. You're worried. Oh, wow. Why do you say that? I mean, okay, first of all, his name is James, and he's just thought the type of guy that would ghost me, like, but he has not responded to me at all in, like, three days. Is he someone that you already knew before? before you went on a date? Because the way that you're talking,

it sounds like you've known him for a while. When you say he would never do that to me. Yeah. No, I haven't, but he just gave off that vibe. Oh. Like when you guys hit it off back and forth,

back and forth, and all of a sudden nothing is weird. Here's the thing, though, vibes can lie. You know, sometimes are big fat liars, those vibes. People can also lie.

He's fat liars, those vibes. Real quote. Well-spoken, Brooke. Yeah. Those vibes are liars. Yeah, okay. I can't always trust him.

Claire, you're genuinely worried about it. Well, I mean, it's just that he works a lot, you know, and he has, like, a really stressful work environment. He has a really important sales job, and he's, like, working all the time. Okay, so that would make sense that he wouldn't be able to contact you for three days. Yeah, so how many dates have you had with him? Because it sounds like you've had a few. So, yeah, I mean, we went on a date, like 10 days ago.

But we were texting after that trying to plan something else, and then he just stopped responding. Okay. So three days ago, he stopped responding to your text, and that's why you're worried. Okay, got it. So let's go back to the day. What did you guys do for it?

Okay, so first of all, we went bowling. Fun. Nice. And then we went to this place that's like an indoor butterfly house type of thing, where the butterflies, like, land on you. Those were cool, but kind of scary. I remember one time as a kid, a giant butterfly. I mean, I thought it was like,

going to die. You really got to watch where you step, too. Oh, no. Just say, they land on the ground and you've got to have your eyes down at all times. Looks like that one was still a caterpillar. Brooke is bam from the butterfly. Okay. It was such a fun idea, and he's normally

like very just considerate. I just thought it was so nice. It's interesting that you keep saying normally because you've had one experience. But you're talking like you've known him for a really, really long time. Well, I feel like I had because he's like a special person to me. Okay.

So you haven't dated for a while, then, have you? I mean, not really, I guess. But he just, we just clicked. I mean, we just bobbed. We just, everything was just great with us. Could you tell us any moments where it felt reciprocal? Like, he was also on the same page as you? Oh, yeah.

Okay. So we were bowling, and, like, he picked up my bowling ball and I thought it was by, state, but it really wasn't. And he tried to bowl with my ball. I had like take it from him and we just laughed about it and we thought it was the funniest thing ever. That is one ounce lighter, silly. She's not. Like we were connecting.

It's strange that you'd grab it from his hands, but I like it. Yeah. I can't use my ball. Okay. I mean, it's cute to them. It's cute, right? I guess so. It was my ball. I get that. I get that. I see. That was just a flirty moment that you two had. That's cool.

Nice. Were there like drinks and food involved in the date? I mean, we weren't that hungry, so we just put some fries and in a beer. Bolling alley food. Okay. Were there any butterfly kisses inside of the butterfly exhibit? Oh, how cringe. That's the eyelash one, right? Yeah, it feels like the right place to do that. Imagine your first kisses, eyelashes? There were no kisses, but if he would have tried it, I would have been very, very open to it,

and my lashes would have been like butterflies as well. Oh, you're not for all types of kissing. Yeah, flutter flutter. I don't know what base that is, but she would go there. In the butterfly world, that's like second. Okay. I mean, it sounds like you left that date feeling 100% sure you'd see him again. Absolutely.

I mean, we were even texting back and forth, making future plans, and then he just came up with this. I got to find some free time because I'm working right now and things are busy. and then he stopped responding like three days ago. What if we find out after we call him that he actually blew you off on purpose? And he's just trying to be nice about it. He wouldn't do that.

That's no way. You are so positive. I feel like you haven't listened to our show enough. Well, my friend did recommend you. I don't listen normally, but... That's why you're so much hope. Got it. So you said three days ago, he suddenly cut off communication.

communication with you, and you're just trying to figure out what's going on? I mean, I'm just worried because something could have happened. So I'm thinking maybe if you guys call him, we can get this whole thing for it out. Are we going to destroy the- He's blocked you? Yeah. Okay. I feel like we're going to ruin the last optimistic person that's left in the dating world right now.

Oh, you know? But remember what I said about numbness in the beginning? We can start that process right now. Yes. If everything feels good, it's bad. Okay. Yeah. No, I have hope for you.

Yeah, he's stuck in an elevator. I'm sure of it. That's not to be it. That's definitely. Okay. We'll get the laughing gas ready just in case when we call James for you and try to get you your second date update right after this. Thanks, guys. Second date update.

If you're just joining us, we've been talking to Claire, who had the three bees on her first date. Oh, what's that? Bowling, beer, and butterflies. Oh, wow. You wouldn't think those go together. There it is. And not just the nervous tummy butterflies either. actual real ones flying around inside of a butterfly house.

It's kind of cute. Definitely different than what we've had before, but she's come to us very concerned because three days ago, her guy, James, fully stopped responding. I feel like this whole episode is brought to you by the number three right now. Yeah, lots of threes. And it was weird because they were in the middle of planning their next meetup. Well, I mean, it sounds like he wasn't giving her exact dates in times.

Claire Brooks calling you a liar. No, no, no. I just think that she may have misinterpreted his text. Like he was saying, I'm busy, I'm busy and busy. She did say that she was new at dating. So maybe she doesn't know how to navigate this situation quite the right way. And she's new to our show. She doesn't really listen.

Call her incompetent now, Jeffrey. Yes, I am. No, I'm just kidding, Claire. But we're going to reach out to James because you said he's not answering when you call. You think maybe he'll pick up for us. I'm hopeful. Okay. You are very hopeful.

She is. She is. She's concerned about his safety and thinks something could have happened. Yeah, like, I think something probably did because there's no way that he wouldn't reach out to me. Really? Sometimes I wish we could do these in person so we could hug each other afterwards and just make each other feel better, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Why'd you make eye contact with me when you said that over? I wasn't talking about hugging you. I don't know. I'd be up for that. I do this in person. Okay. Well, I'll give you Brooke's home address after this is over so you can go over there and hug it out all you want. There it is. Anyway, let's call James right now.

Hopefully he answers. We can get to the bottom of this, figure out why three days ago he fully cut off communication with you. Thank you. I'm sure it'll be a happy story. Here we go. Hello, this is James. Oh, very formal. Oh, wow.

Hi, James. You're on the radio right now. James. The radio? Yeah, there's a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Good morning. Good morning. How can I help you up here?

Well, we're really happy to hear your voice and that you're doing okay, it sounds like. Yeah, that's for sure. I don't know. He could be in the hospital right now for all we know. The fact that you picked up, though, that's a really good start. I'm sorry, what is this is about? Yeah, this is a, it's a segment we do on our show. It's called The Second Date Update.

You're kind of like the star of it today. Okay. That doesn't sound too great. It's kind of fun. Yeah, it's not a bad thing. It just means somebody out there is trying to see you again and they haven't been able to get a hold of you. Please don't say the name that I think that you're supposed to say.

Wait, there's a certain name you don't. What name are you thinking? Claire? That's her. That's it. Yes. What is she doing? Oh, my goodness.

She's just trying to get a hold of you because she said, basically, that you two had an awesome date together where you went bowling and you visited a butterfly house and she was telling us how fun and how thoughtful it was that you came up with that for her. She had a lot of positive things to say about you. Oh, really? Did she happen to tell you anything else? Like what happened after? I mean, she told us that you guys were texting trying to figure out a date to get back together.

Right. No, no. It wasn't the texting. Honestly, it was about the forcefulness in the meet-up. What? Do you say forcefulness? But meet-ups, you only had one meet-up. You just saw each other on one date. Yeah, I know, but I'm a very busy guy. I do a lot of different things for work. Okay.

She was a little bit over-eager, it sounds like, to see you again? I think that's an understatement. I mean, if I couldn't hang out Tuesday, she would see, what about Wednesday? What about Thursday? What about Friday? It just became way too much for me. And then she just crossed the line. Okay. Is that the line? Yeah, what line did she cross? The Wednesday, Thursday, Friday line.

Is that what you mean? Is that the line suggesting other days? No, no, it was worse. Okay. I think she is totally clueless that she made you feel uncomfortable or whatever it is. I don't think so. Really? What is the line?

Yeah, why are you so sure that she should know she made a mistake? Because she called my work. What? What? She called your job. Yeah. Yeah. I was at work and HR.

called me, and a woman named Claire reached out and wanted to do a welfare check on me. What? Whoa. I know. At your work? Yes, at work. And she's telling her that we need to move my schedule around and workload around.

Like, what's going on with that? Oh, no. Now, I think we all understand now. So, listen, maybe Claire is being misunderstood here. And your manager has relayed her message in a way that painted her in a bad light. Oh, that's it, Jack. And maybe you are working. working too hard. And it's not a terrible thing if your date wants you to be less stressed.

Jeff, you are a champion of our listeners. I love you. I just, I think, I think you should talk to Claire about it because she is on the phone with us right now, wanting to speak to you. Oh, my. Why? Why? Isn't it better to speak to her instead of speaking through your HR to her? I couldn't agree with you more. But there she has. Talk to Claire. Claire, what are you doing? Hey, if Karen is a crown, then I'm guilty. I just care about you. We went on one date. I like that.

Yeah, one special date. Oh, that's kind of nice. Claire, why would you call his HR? I mean, no other girlfriend would do that for, God. Whoa. Girlfriend? Why did you say girlfriend? They're labeling it.

You're not my girlfriend. We hung out once. What are you talking about? Oh, no. Not yet. But I'm just showing that I want to spend more time with you. I mean, what are we really doing here? I had to meet with my HR department.

I had to meet with my boss. You're messing with my job. You're messing with my way of living. You don't even know what I do. You don't even know exactly what I'm doing at work. Well, listen, here's what I do, though. I know you work in sales, and I know you were stressed out. So I was just trying to help you with that.

In Claire's defense, the reason that, I mean, And according to her, you kept saying you couldn't meet up because you were too busy with work. So she's trying to problem sell. It's like cop out number one of not hanging out with people. Yeah, that's really what you do. Well, she's not buying it. That is a huge boundary to cross. You just never call someone's workplace.

It's just you don't. I mean, I honestly feel like it has to be said for Claire to understand that. Well, yes, I can. And yes, I did. No, no. Don't call the workplace. Just call directly to their family. No.

Wow. You're joking. What is the right thing to do? I mean, I would have his family, but I didn't have their numbers. Oh, my God. This is easy to fix. James, what's your family's phone number?

Mom first. Listen, you guys, I don't know what's going on here, but this is the first time that I've ever gone on a date where whoever I went on a date with try to free up my schedule just to see them. You're lucky she didn't quit for you. It is funny to be like, oh, I'm busy, and she's like, oh, I'll take care of that.

Oh, my God. You're not busy anymore. Well, okay, I see them You had good intentions in your heart when you did it, but for James, you crossed the line. I think for anyone, that's the thing. Anyone, don't do that, Claire. But specifically for James in this scenario. Okay, yeah.

Okay, well, now that we're past that Good. Are we past that? Are we past? We should do pizza and butterflies for our next feet. What? Oh, pizza and butterflies. You're going back to Butterflies again. Why is the butterflies? The butterfly kisses. Yeah, Jeff get over the idea. Yeah, that just sounded hot.

Yeah, don't ruin the idea. I mean, I think the butterfly because it's a great idea. Oh, sorry. Sorry. James, pretend you didn't hear that, okay? Blank that out of your memory. All I want you to focus on is will you go out

on another date with Claire and we would pay for it? We're talking to James now. Yes. Okay. You get your pizza and she will rub her lashes on your face. Claire, I think you need to hear this response, okay? So make sure you're paying attention. My ears are all the way open.

Oh, my. Okay. All right. So James, what do you think about giving Claire, one more chance? No, no, no. Oh, my God. You didn't have to laugh, though.

That was the only time you laughed, though. Well, that was rude. Yeah, so was calling his workplace. I understand this is when someone's new to dating. There's a lot of new rules and stuff you got to learn. So maybe this is a learning moment for you. I've learned that people don't understand what caring is these days, and I just have to care harder.

No, no. No harder, please. That is the opposite. Care less. Please listen to them. Care less about me. Care less about other people. And that's the message that we are going to leave today.

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Like, she needed some reality here. She really was like the perfect dater for our show. She had no idea. She never listened to the show. She's still optimist about dating. I mean, she got blindsided here. She got blindsided. She called his work, Jose.

What are you talking about? She didn't know that was bad. To do him a favor and take the stress away. No. She did not see this coming, Brooke. Don't ever call anyone's place of employment. Except for us. No. Call our job.

Not even that. I feel like we're going to hear from her again. Yeah. It's not going to be her first ghosting. And I think we're all just jealous of her relentless optimism because that's exactly what you need to survive this dating world. So I predict she'll be fine. And if you need some optimism that your dating life isn't completely tragic, go to our podcast. Oh, I thought you're going to say, call somebody else.

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