Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Second Date Update Classic: Two's Company, Three's An Intervention

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

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It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. And I would love in the comments today for people to share the awkward ways their date ended. Yeah. Not all or just a simple kiss or a little hug. No. Some of them get weird.

And that definitely happened in today's second date update. Yep. So let us know because you know we love reading your comments. What do you see, Alexis? Yes, Sivanesh. Said, hey guys listening all the way from Malaysia. Oh, cool. I discovered the show through a second date update clip on TikTok and I've been hooked ever since. I started with the second date playlist. Then I moved on to awkward Tuesdays and mass speakers. And now I'm all in on the full show. Oh, yeah.

Wait to hear the phone tap. Yeah, right? I mean, you do get a full hour if you somehow want more of this. Remember, we have a second podcast feed that is just Brooke and Jeffrey. It's the same goofy pictures of us in the pod. But you'll find it and you can get even more. All right. We're going to start your second date right now. Second date update.

I'm not sure if you guys remember this, but about six months ago, we did an awkward Tuesday phone call with a listener named Kevin. Okay. Who wanted to ask out his coworker. And he was super nervous about it, needed our advice. Okay. The call wasn't perfect. Yeah. He had some stumbles along the way, but she...

That doesn't sound like our show, Jack. Every call that we do. Yeah. Absolutely flawless. I'm trying to remember what happened. Well, in the end, she did say yes and agree to a date with him. But wasn't it kind of like, I guess? I don't know. It was a yes.

Okay. Bottom line. Now, apparently, they went out a few times. Things fizzled didn't quite last. So Kevin has jumped back into the beautiful oasis we call the modern dating pool. Oh, man. And again, that was months ago. So, Kevin, how's it been?

Have you had a lot of dates in that time? Like 10. 10 days? 10 dates in the last two years. I think you're doing some work. Congratulations. You're a catch. Yeah, but I actually haven't had a second date.

Oh. But is that from your choosing? Like, maybe you didn't want to go out again with any of them? No, I would have been happy to go out with really any of them again. Oh. Okay. Okay, that's hard. Yeah, that hurts.

Wait, set them up for that, Brooke. You're here. We're going to help you. Yeah, they haven't been the greatest. I actually had a really bad one. Yeah, she was a nice girl, I thought. But when I walked her out to her car, I opened the door, and then she just sucker punched me and then drove off. Wait, what?

Did you say she punched him? I'm so sorry to laugh. I did not expect that sentence to happen. That is terrible. Did she punch you in the face? Did she punch you in the face? It's actually in the back of it. of my head

I was opening her door and then all of a sudden and I just felt this like Why? Did you ask permission to open the door for her because she may really have not liked that.

You weren't fast enough for her? Maybe so. I don't know if she thought I was going to kiss her or your head was how were you going to kiss her

maybe she thought that you were trying to steal her car so she had to stop you. That's the only thing that I'm thinking it has to be a self-defense man. He's not like,

give me the keys. I'm like, I don't know. Was it that bad? I don't know. Some people give off natural grand theft auto vibe. So maybe you fell into that category. Can we just ask for you okay?

Now I am. Yeah. So is sucker punch girl the one you want us to call for a second date update? Please no, bro. I kind of want to talk to her. We need a detail. We'll call her a Brooke fighter. Well, who do you want to call?

I've had this really bad luck until I met Chelsea. Chelsea. Okay, it's a new girl. Okay. No physical violence, I hope. Tell us about your, I'm assuming you went on a date with Chelsea? Yeah, she didn't punch me. That's all we have to know, actually.

We're improving. I thought it was a good sign, and we connected the best out of all of the first dates I went on. Okay, what made it the best? I just felt like I could talk to her, because like when we went on our coffee date, it was a good conversation, even though it didn't last very long. Okay. It was actually like 20 minutes. Oh.

Why was it so short? You know, I'm not really sure. My friends got by and... Stop by? Your friend? Yeah, I don't really know why. Okay, so you had a friend come by randomly and you talk to the friend a little bit and you feel like maybe she got offended that the attention was taken away from her? I make, I don't know.

That would be weird to me. She got a friend in. That happens. If you're only there for 20 minutes and you have a five-minute company. conversation with a friend, that's one-fourth of the date. Especially if they're trying to play it off, hey, Brooke, good to see you here. Yeah, I'm too successful and beautiful. Yeah, successful.

I feel like I normally wouldn't ask this, but I feel like I need to know Chelsea, she's not the barista, right? You're not considering that a date. That's creative. Like she doesn't work there? No, she doesn't work there. Okay. That's a good question.

Okay. So how did it end? Yeah, after the 20 minutes, how did you two leave it? she said she had to do something so we got up and left and I guess that was kind of weird too because I was kind of like behind her for a couple of blocks while she

walked away. Wait, was she like you guys left and walked the same direction? That's like the most awkward thing ever. And then she started to jog and then you started to jog. You're like, hey, I'm going to run out for you okay, someone weird chases you. I end up, I lost her.

I lost her. She lost you, I think. You lost you, I think. Yeah, that's the real way. Did she know you were back there? I don't think so. I don't know. Okay, but you weren't following her.

That was just a coincidence. We had the same route home. Dude, I hate that even when that happens with my friends. And we're saying goodbye at the restaurant, and then we're like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, I should have done this later. You get it. You get it. All right.

So how long has it been since this 20-minute date? Like, right at two weeks. Two weeks. Okay. Oh, that's not good. And have you reached out much with her? I was texting her quite a bit, yeah. Oh, we may have over-send it.

We may find out if you've crossed any lines or how many texts you've actually sent when we call her here. I think it's more how far he did cross the line. Yeah, let's see. Or maybe you're right in that sweet spot. We don't know. Brooke, remember when you said you had hope?

Yeah. I do. I do have hope. As long as you didn't send her a picture of the back of her head as she was walking away from you on the sidewalk. He was just trying to make sure. She doesn't get sucker punched back there like he did.

I was going to say. When I was on last time, Brooke, you told me to be, you know, more assertive. So I'm really trying to be here. Oh, boy. That was so assertive. He follows ladies in their car. There's a balance that we need to discuss. The good thing is, though, your intentions were pure.

You weren't trying to be weird. You were just trying to walk to your car. And maybe that's not why she's not calling me back at all. We're making stuff up. Okay. Well, let's call her and use that assertion to aggressively get you a second date when we called Chelsea right after this. Hold on. Second date update.

Don't you hate it when you're on a first date and the girl says she has to go and you accidentally follow her all the way home? No, Jeff. I think it was only three blocks to be fair. I mean, enough blocks to be alarming. He said, whoa, he lost her. That's what happened to our listener, Kevin.

Sort of. He wasn't following his date, Chelsea, on purpose. They just left the coffee shop at the same time and he coincidentally was walking behind her on the street. for a long, long while. I mean, at any point, did you think, I should take a different route? Or just stop for a second.

Yeah, stop. Hopefully he didn't think speed up. Yeah. Right, oh, we got to catch up with her. Did that thought come to your mind at all, Kevin? Any of those? Yeah, well, I didn't think it was that weird. And so I've been thinking about it while we're on hold,

and I think you should tell her that I didn't intentionally walk behind her, because I really did it. Okay, so you want us to let her know. that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. We're not exactly sure what happened there. We just know that the date was only 20 minutes long, which is kind of short to get to know someone. That's honestly the bigger concern for me. Like, why did she only stay for 20 minutes? The following is a totally different story. If you were in a hurry, why would you even schedule a date during that time? Maybe she's just trying to squeeze it in. It's like one of those pre-dates. Where it's just like a quick

coffee. Like, will this be worth a full night? You didn't catfish her with like a photo of Liam Hemsworth, did you? Because you do sound like a Liam to me right now. Kind of hunky. I'm actually bushing right now, but no. Kevin Hemsworth does not have a name. Could have fooled me. Let's call Chelsea here. We'll see if we can get

an explanation from her if she picks up. All right. Here we go. Hello. Hey, is this Chelsea? This is who's calling? This is a radio show calling called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Hey, Chelsea.

Hi. What is this? It's fun. For some of us, it's fun. It's a segment we do call the second date update, and we're looking to... Sorry? Okay. She's just listening.

She's actively listening. By interrupting me, but it's okay. We're trying to help out one of our listeners that you went out on a date with recently. He says he had a really good. time with you, but it ended kind of short. His name is Kevin. Okay. I'm hoping that was a smile and not a laugh.

Yeah. That's a sensitive reaction. We're calling because Kevin told us a little bit about your guys' date. Coffee date. Coffee date. And from what we heard, it sounded pretty fun. Tame, short. That was two weeks ago.

Yeah. But he really, he liked you. He thought you were awesome. He wanted to see you again. He said he's been pursuing it actually in texting you trying to organize something, but he doesn't understand why nothing's happening.

Yeah, he has sent me quite a few texts, but I guess I'm confused as to why he doesn't understand why he thinks are moving forward. Did you write him back? I mean, I guess we never asked if you ever texted him back. Or is it like that obvious? From my

perspective, it was pretty obvious. Okay. The only idea that he had about the date, about why it would have ended so quickly is he did mention one of his friends stopped by and said hi.

That's what he said. He said a friend stopped by. Yeah. Really quick. Something like that. Are you think that they weren't actually friends? Was it an enemy? Was it his ex?

No. I mean, as far as I know, I don't think it was an ex, but I don't know, 30 seconds a minute into us meeting at the coffee shop, this guy comes over and sits like right next to us, isn't looking at me at all.

So I asked Kevin, I was like, hi, can we introduce him? He's like, well, no, no, don't. He's not engaged in the conversation. He's just my emotional support friend. Oh. Like an animal? Emotional support friend? That's kind of funny.

So originally I thought he might have been kidding. And so I laughed and he's like, it's not funny. This is Charles. I've had a couple of poor dates. and Charles is really there to just kind of help me with my competence and communicate more effectively. Wasn't that kind of endearing to you?

Like, buddy. I mean, I think if maybe I had been given a heads up, I would have been more open to the idea. That's fair. The red, yellow vest that threw you off. Emotional support friend vest. Dude, that's amazing that he can find a friend that will take the time to go on a day with him.

I would be that for my friends. But I'll say, I think that that's, says a lot about Kevin that he must be a good I need to know is Charles sitting on his phone is he just listening, taking notes? Is he staring at you guys? We got the impression that he just popped in real quick and left. No, not at all.

He was there the whole time. He wasn't really engaging in the conversation. He was just there. Did he hype Kevin up ever? You know, like, he's not a hype man, Brooke. Well, I just didn't know how the support. And how do you support? I mean, he laughed at some of the things that Kevin said,

but beyond that, there wasn't much interaction. Everybody needs a good backup laugh friend. Charles needs to move a few tables over. Yeah, we didn't know that was how it played out. We got a little bit of a different version of that story. I wonder if Charles is on the phone too. Yeah, because... Oh, my gosh.

We have an emotional support friend quietly listening on the other line right now. Just to make sure that I do a good job with this segment, and that person is Kevin. Yeah, Kevin's here. What? He's on the phone? Yeah, and he's really... Actually, he wants to talk in this conversation, so I'm going to give him permission to jump in and say something.

We'll see. I don't know if he's there. Kevin's not really. Yeah, I'm here. How you doing, buddy? Hey. I'm good. I'm just, I'm listening. Yeah, I don't understand what the big deal is, really. Kevin, when did you get an emotional support, bro?

You didn't tell us about that. Well, yeah, I mean, a friend is a friend. He doesn't need, like, a title or anything. Well, but you, sounds like you gave him a title. You called him your emotional support friend. Yeah, and Kevin, you brought him along on the date and didn't tell us. For the whole time. I mean, yes, he was there, but he was there for me.

Sure. Chelsea, do you see where he's coming from? I guess. I mean, but you kind of have to put my, like yourself in my shoes, Kevin. It's a little bizarre to just have a third person there without kind of giving the heads up why and not engaging really in the conversation. Yeah. Are you mad because he didn't laugh at your jokes and he just laughed at his life?

I'd be mad. That's a good question, guys. Chelsea? No, not really. I don't think I was particularly funny because I was kind of creeped out by the whole thing. She's like, I told so many jokes and just what a bad ground.

Kevin, do you think that maybe you could have told her prior to the date that he was coming along? Yeah, he's going to. I didn't need to tell her because he wasn't going to do anything like he's just like wallpaper he's going to be there you know for me so what I think Kevin Chelsea is saying that it's hard for her to connect romantically with you I don't even mean romantically I just mean as a person to person it's just it's hard yeah Kevin it's a little bit distracting Maybe he's waiting for Charles to respond

Wait, is Charles here, Charles speak up right now Okay, so it's a little bit distracting I guess But like the thing is I can tell him to do whatever I want Does that make sense? Because I'm the one that's paying him Oh, you pay him? He's paying him? You're paying him I thought this was like kindness of his heart I mean, okay, yeah, he was technically not facing you for the time.

But, I mean, I could guess I could get him to, like, face the wall if he really wanted. No, no. Just don't bring him. Well, I do think that would be better. That's at least a good first step. Can we agree on that? That's even more awkward, Kevin. No, I mean, a lot of people need emotion.

Oh, we're going to tell him we left. No, just there the rest of the day. A lot of people need a blindfold in a ball gag. You can't see. He can barely laugh. Guys, both of you. What? Support is totally normal and needed.

Absolutely. But let's get you a dog or, you know. But dogs can't laugh at jokes. Exactly. And it was a good date. It wasn't. Did you hear her? It wasn't a good date.

I am so sorry, you all. I don't understand why this is even a conversation. It was awkward and weird and I've got to go. I hope you all have a great day. Sorry. Thank you. Sounds like you need an emotional support friend to deal with that. Don't.

That was a little. She keeps having to go. And I think that's rude. That is rude. She's not interested. And I don't know that you're going to find many that are interested when Charles has to be there with you. But a dog, a lot of women, would be interested. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Emotional support for animals are kind of weird. I prefer people. Okay. Well, maybe just follow her home again and see if she changes her mind. Jeff, stop. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Have you ever looked at a piece of abstract art or music or poetry and things?

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Even if he wasn't being 100% truthful with us About his emotional support friend I like him and I would let him follow me home anytime Is he the only one that pushes back on dogs That people are better than dogs? They're not Kevin People are your problem Yeah everybody agrees

All the people on the text board I'm saying dogs are better than babies. Yes. Get the right emotional support animal. Actually, wait, did his emotional support friend follow Chelsea Home 2? Hey, I didn't think of that. So there was two dudes following her? If there's two guys following you, now I kind of understand the creepiness of it.

Especially when he's talking to his friend and going, what is it, boy? Do you smell her? You didn't understand the creepiness when the guy was sitting next to him staring at her? The date itself was pretty obvious. I mean, he's just being supportive. Very closely supportive. there's better ways yeah there's better ways

you should have done a face time totally yeah I mean he honestly could have had him on speakerphone and just set the phone on the table that's a good point you know there's lots of life lessons to be taken from these segments and you can go find them online wherever you get your podcast at brook and jeffrey and then email the show we can call that person who wasn't calling you back

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