Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Second Date Update Classics: 3rd Times a Yawn + Super Kid Shames the Day

Episode Date: December 13, 2025

Part 1 The guy on the phone today told us he’s fed up with being friend-zoned, and he wants to get ahead of things with a bizarre new plan we’ve never tried before!  Part 2 The guy on the phone says a random child walked up to their table during a romantic dinner and said something that threw off their ENTIRE EVENING. Is a kid really to blame for him not getting a Second Date?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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shopping. Get on it. Come on. Oh, my God. It's Brooke and Jeffrey, and this is the podcast. Thank you for being here. I can go either way. I'm a little stressed out. I don't know if you are too, But hopefully this back-to-back classics will help ease your tension, get you some good laughs, and help you getting some tasks done. So here it is. Back-to-back classics, start right now. How do you turn a bona fide nice guy into an irresistible batty that no woman can turn down? It sounds impossible. Yeah.

It's like turning Sheldon from Big Bang into Vin Diesel from Fast and the Furious. Oh, yeah. That's a transformation. Can it be done? Well, one of our listeners tells us he is fed up with being friend zoned. He wants to get ahead of things using a bizarre new plan that we have never tried before. What is it? We're going to find out.

And if it's successful, it could change the game for nice guys everywhere in your second date update right after this. Second date update. I'm going to share something with our audience that's happened behind the scenes here. it's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning Uh-oh, what is it going to be? I don't remember if Brooke has said this on the air And it's not bad, but off the air Whenever somebody brings up online dating

Brooke's response And Jose, Alexis, you can confirm this She's always like, oh, I don't think I could ever do online dating There's just, there's way too many options How could you ever just pick one guy? I could totally do online dating I would just never do marriage after I did it Exactly.

Because I would have never dated anybody long enough. Yep. Yeah. I see what you mean. I thought you meant. Okay. It's the crux of dating with all the apps now. Too many choices for people.

I think it was intended in a good way to match people up who would have never found each other if they were just left to their normal lives. But more often than not, it just ends up being with you have so many choices. Men and women can't make up their mind. They can't commit to just one. And if they're not blown away immediately, there's, you know, 20 other options that they can just go explore. I go to the cereal aisle and it feels overwhelming with what one I should choose. And the thing is, that's where our listener, Evan, is at right now. He claims he is a victim of being just one guy in a sea of a billion dudes.

Oh, yeah. Jeff's dream. Yeah. There's positives and negatives to it. Evan, welcome to the show. Hey, guys. Hey, Evan. Man, I'm sorry, man.

He sounds like you're going through it with this online dating stuff. I am. It's been years and there's been ups and downs, but I'm just, I want to try something new. And I think it's going to work. I just need a little help. Okay. So what is your stance on dating right now? Like, where are you at?

I think that you should date a lot of different people because experts say that if you focus too much on just one person, you're going to end up disappointed. Sure. But you're supposed to, like, date a little bit, and then when one stands out, then you kind of focus on them. It doesn't bode well for Brooks' married life. She focuses a lot on that one guy. Yeah. That's so funny.

So, Evan, you're not focusing on just one. You're dating a lot of different people. Well, I wouldn't say a lot, but, yeah, I'd say a small handful at any given time. Wow. Okay. That's a lot for some. Is there one in particular that you really like, or are we just going to call 10 girls? Yeah.

There is one. Her name's Jenna, and she's a top. Top contender. Top contender. Is that a compliment, Alexis? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it is.

I mean, I'm going to be an all contender. I want to be the top one. There you go. All right. So where do you and Jenna stand? We had one date. It was good and nothing bad happened. Is that your bar?

Sorry, he says it defensively. Nothing bad happened. I mean, is that your bar? Like, you had a good enough date that nothing bad happened. So that's why you want to call her? Well, sometimes I do feel that way. but this was a good date. It was genuinely good,

and I do believe that she likes me and would like to go out on another day with me. I just want to try this thing to kind of make her work for it a little bit. What? Wait, honey, so you already feel like she's hooked? So you're not calling us because someone's not calling you back or isn't interested.

Greg, she is interested. That's what I believe. Oh, what? Okay. This is different. I guess let's hear him out. So this girl. Try not to think gay.

He's playing games in my head right now. It's not a game, but it is reverse psychology. Oh, that works so good on me. Did it just work on you? It's like, I'm trying to figure this out. I'm not going to tell you. I love it. All right.

You already have Brooks' interests now. So what is your idea for reverse psychology with Jenna? I want you to call her and tell her that, like, I thought that she was cool, but I'm a little on the fence about it. Huh? Do you want us to play hard to get for you? Why would we be calling her just to tell her that? Yeah.

That's going to make her morning. It's kind of weird, guys. Why do you want to do it this way with Jenna? The thing is, I've had a lot of dates this past year where the first meeting is great. But then it just, it fizzles out. Okay. And the girl will say to me, hey, you're super cool and everything. But there's just not as strong enough of a connection for me.

You're getting friend zoned is what it sounds like. It makes me feel like I need to be. be defensive and prove myself because she's in the power position. So you're saying like, you're good at the first couple dates, which is just the first one it sounds like. Yeah. He wants

to flip the script on these women and he wants to be in the power position being like, hey, like I think you're cool and everything, but I don't know if it's there. Then the girl will have to sell herself to him. So we should call and be like, leave our friend alone, lady. Here's the thing. You sound like a genuinely nice

guy and that's probably why this is happening. I don't need to be mean. Did you see Alexis gag when you said genuinely nice guy? That's the problem here. Now everything makes sense. I mean, you do know this could backfire, right? I have nothing to lose at this point, trust me. I mean, it is a bold move.

You have to admit. Can you tell us anything about Jenna that would make you feel like this is going to work on her? Like, what does she like? What'd you do? I can tell you, but she's literally like every other girl that I've been dating recently. Like, you know, she's sweet. She's funny. She's pretty like they all are yeah but she's gonna turn on me she's gonna turn okay okay exactly let's not

get caught up in the minutia of who she is as a person i i don't know if this strategy would actually work it sounds kind of manipulative similar to one of my co-hosts and they're happily married so it might actually be a good strategy at the end of the day here's my thing like we tell her this statement and then what jeff like we tell her hey so-and-so isn't into you yeah how do we follow up that conversation. But you know what? He is on the other line right now. So, like, maybe if you want to try to convince him to go out, he might

be up there. Okay. So, we won't do a lot of the talking. No, I think Evan wants to be in control here. So like the bad boy, Evan is. Who's not interested, but had time to call the radio, wait on hold, whine around, and sit and listen.

Alexis, okay. No, he's not going to say hello. No, he's not going to say hello. He's going to say sup. Oh, I forgot I was in the middle of the phone call. We're just going to be super non-committal about it and let Evan swoop in. For entertainment purposes, I'm in. I think it's an interesting experiment at the very least, and we're going to find out how it goes when we call her in your second date update right after this.

Hold on, ma'am. Second date update. If you're just joining us for the second date, our listener, Evan, has asked us to do something that we've never really tried on this segment before. Because it's not an idea any of us have ever had. That's probably too smart for our simple brains to grasp. Oh, I like that spin. But he wants us to call his date, Jenna.

And instead of saying he had a lot of fun with you, he really likes you, he wants to see you again, coming on kind of strong, even me saying that. Are you giving yourself the ick? I kind of am. Even that, it does feel like a lot. That's why instead Evan wants us to say he reached out, but he's kind of on the fence about it, not really sure how he feels. So I don't know.

How are you feeling about it? him. Oh, man. Basically, reverse psychology, Jenna, into loving him. I'm going to be so disheartened if this works. Like, you can't just be open with your emotions anymore. Well, Evan has been rejected so many times. He's tired of being put on that side of the conversation.

He wants to have the upper hand this time. Obviously, this is the only problem, bro. It's why people aren't liking the dates with him. He's trying to stop the cycle of what's going on in his life, right, Evan? It's time I got to stand up for the pack, you know, and there's a storyline that's just been playing over and over a day. I think you could have used the quote about like how someone who does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result is the definition of insanity.

Right? Exactly. And he thinks that if he does it this way, then she's going to be more open to not just a second date, but the third date, the fourth date. So how cool do we play it, Jeff? I'm worried. Like, do we get her name wrong at first on purpose? Oh, sorry, there's a lot of girls.

It's a good question, but I think we just have to play kind of non-neutral. committal, and more just ask her about what she thinks about the day. We'll just go right to that. Okay, I like that. Sound like a good plan? Deffining silence from the room. Okay, here we go. I'm nervous.

I thought we already knew the plan. Okay, let's try it. Hello? Hey, is this Jenna? This is. Who's calling? We're a radio show, actually, called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Hey, Jenna.

Good morning. Hi. Thanks for picking up. We're doing a segment on our show. You may have heard of it before. It's called a second date update. Yes. But where are you guys calling me?

We're kind of surprised we're calling you too for this segment because it doesn't actually fit. Yeah. Yeah. This is a little bit different than what we normally do, but we got an email from one of our listeners that you went out with. His name's Evan. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Remember going out with Evan?

I do. Okay. Yeah, I do. Evan emailed our show. He told us that the two of you went out and, you know, he had a decent time. He's considering seeing you again, but he is kind of on the fence about it. Yeah. What?

He said that? Mm-hmm. He's just, he, I mean, he. Yeah, like, he enjoyed the date. No question about it. But the future, he's a little bit uncertain of. wait so he doesn't like me I no no no he doesn't not like you

he just doesn't he doesn't know you yeah his heart is congested what confused he's got a lot of I don't know he doesn't know

he doesn't know black in the arteries that's not what I meant he doesn't know where his mind is at 100% he's trying to figure stuff out I guess I'm just confused I thought we liked each other I thought everything was say specifically that he liked you or did you just feel the vibe? Nobody does

that anymore? Did he write a note and circle yes or no? Do you like? It would make it a whole lot easier. Hey, glad you're on the date. I like you so far. No, sometimes it's hard to know how people feel. Sometimes you're reading signs, you're reading them wrong. No, no. We had a great

time. We even kissed. Okay, well, that's good. Tell us more of stuff like that. Like, what exactly happened on the date? You mean good stuff? Well, give us more indications of why you think he liked you. You're so out of the box right now. Well, I mean, we grabbed drinks. I got to really know him.

He was super, super nice. I don't really go out with nice guys. So he was the first nice guy in a very long time. Or she thinks they're nice, but they're not to be. I think that's more. Maybe you thought that he liked you, but he never actually said that to you. Could just be like a vibe that you were getting? Honestly, this is just extremely disappointing to hear because we were vibing.

Okay. Well, maybe the vibe that you're feeling from him is the literal phone line connection that is happening right now, because he is listening to this call. Oh, it makes him feel like he wants it more. Yeah. You know, I'm just going to say that. I will say he does want to talk to you, though. Yeah. What?

Hi, Jen. Evan, what is going on? I'm so confused. Yeah, I'm sorry to throw a loop in things, but you thought I was nice? Yeah. I thought you were really nice, too. But I'm just not totally sure that there's a romantic connection between us. I'm just not sure.

Huh. Okay. Well, I guess maybe we're just better off friends. Well, hold on. What are you doing, dude? I don't think we should jump to that. I just, I need to be sure that you really do feel that way before I carry on. This is a very strange way of going about this.

I don't even understand where he's trying to go here. Evan, you're saying, you're saying that she's saying that she likes you, but you're not sure if you believe that? Not completely because I'm a nice guy. And I have a hard time believing that she really likes that. I thought you just said you were attracted to her because there was no romantic connection for you. I'm not saying there isn't there isn't. I'm not sure.

I'm in the middle here. Oh, okay. Your message, I think, is getting a little lost. Yeah. Jenna, maybe you have to show him a little bit more strongly that the feelings are there, that it's worth it. After all this, why would I do that? I mean, it was going so well

without even getting anyone else involved. This is like turning me away. You see, one date they're saying they like him and then all of a sudden it's something switches and they're like, you know what I'm not? The thing that switches is you telling her that there's no romantic connection and that you weren't sure if you liked her or not.

That's the switch. You can turn that back. You can be honest about where you stand. I would have never been weirded out as I am right this moment if you just didn't do all this. This is very strange. This is what's turning me off.

Oh, no. It's us. It would have happened on the second or third date anyway. Everett. Jenna, you may not realize this now, but after three dates with him, you would realize that you weren't into him. Now we're going to tell her how she's going to feel on a future date. Unless we're wrong. You're welcome.

Unless we're wrong, because normally at this time, I would offer to send you guys out and we would pay for it. But I kind of have a vibe that both of you are still on the fence. You might want to plead your case to him right now, Jenna, and ask Evan out. What? I asked him her to plead after he turned her. I want a partner who will fight for me. Okay. That's, you reject her.

That's respectable, I think. It's a, are you willing to fight for him, Jenna, right now? To be asked, if you know. I mean, you have nothing else to lose at this point, Evan. Why don't you just tell her the truth? Evan, what is this truth you have to tell me? This is very insane how this is working out right now. If you have to tell me something, I mean, you might as well tell me right now.

look the truth is i really like you and i was and i was afraid that if i just carried on being nice and and showing that i really like you that you would get bored of me and if i use reverse psychology on you then you would think that i was a bad boy or like something that you're really attracted to and and and when i like really works towards winning me i'm usually the one that's trying to win somebody over, and I wanted to flip the script. Oh, buddy. I mean, thank you for being honest, finally, about this. It was weird.

It was a weird way of going about it, but... He was just trying something new. Dating's hard these days, and he liked you, and he didn't know how to keep it going. And it wasn't the smartest move. I think he is finally understanding that. Yes. Yeah. This is more here.

Now that we've really sold him. We'd love to offer to send you guys out on another date, Jenna, and we would pay for it. I mean, he has finally come clean. He's told you the truth. And no more games going forward, at least not from Evans Park. Pretend this never happened. Yeah, Jenna, I promise no games going forward. That's a promise.

Come on, Jenna. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. Let's go. One more day. How about it? We're the game. No, no.

Yeah, we're the game. I'll go on the date. Yay. All right. Reverse psychology does work. No, the honest truth works, Jeff. Your real feelings work. I like how we feel accomplished when literally nothing changed.

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available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't think there's any way she would have said yes if Evan didn't finally come clean and just be honest about his true feelings at the end there. Yeah. No. Yeah. I mean, we literally just, we added more drama. We did.

And there was no need for it. This is what happens when us non-cool guys try and play cool. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's right. Jose, be yourself. Yeah. You're a nice dude.

It's a nice dude. So win for nice guys everywhere And he's lucky that for some weird reason She just liked him for who he was Dude, but I really don't want to get an update from them That on the third date, she decided there was no romantic connection Yeah He's just too nice

Right Or so we need to talk to all the girls to find out what's the real reason What he's really doing Or he keeps up the act and he shows up an hour late to the date Trying to be cool, right? Yeah, that's right But you know what? If you're a nice guy or if you're a bad boy

or anything in between we will help you with your dating life email the show we'll call that person who's not calling you back go check out all of our second dates wherever you get your podcast at Brooke and Jeffrey

and Jeffrey in the morning look kids are great we love kids I see a butt coming I see it I hear a butt coming but sometimes I'm just saying

sometimes there are certain situations where you'd rather not have a child around oh for sure Like at the tantric massage parlor near Brooks house. Yeah, I would not invite kids there. I don't think kids are welcome there. Or at an important job interview. Ah, he's a ginger.

He's a ginger. Okay, Timothy, he might be my future boss. Please don't say that. Or in the middle of a romantic dinner date. Oh. Now that's rough. But that's what happened to one of our listeners recently when a random child walked up to their table at the restaurant

and decided to say something. Uh-oh. They didn't realize that the time would throw off the rest of the entire evening. Uh-oh. So, we're not, again, not saying kids are bad. No, Jeffrey's just saying they shouldn't be allowed in restaurants. Maybe this child should call in and apologize for what you're about to hear in a second date update. Next.

Second date update. What's the fastest you've ever gone from dating app to first date? Oh, wow. Oh, that's interesting. Because usually it takes some, you know, sweet talking and finagling. A little to get to know you. You make a couple jokes. Exchange a couple picks.

Yeah. But Gabe says they only sent two messages before they agreed to meet up. Dang. That has to be a record. What were the messages? It had to be more than, how are you? Wow. I don't know what it says.

It either screams super charming or super desperate. So, Gabe, which one of those would you say describes you the best? I would say definitely super charming. Oh, okay. You know, it's okay if you're both desperate at the same time. It cancels each other out. It's like two negatives. Gabe, I...

Yeah, that's how Brooke met her husband. It was great. Gabe, a lot of people can relate. I had a girl snap me the other day. Hey, I got a pack of budd lights. Can I come over? And I was like, whoa, whoa, stranger danger. Oh.

And I don't drink. That's a terrible. Yeah, I know. She obviously was first. And Gabe, by the way, that was his mom, too. Yeah, no, you don't need to tell everyone. You're already starting off on a higher level than us. Tell us about the woman that you met online, right?

Yeah. So I met this girl named Abby off a dating app, and we didn't really mess around with this small talk right away. And I'm like that anyway. So it was kind of perfect. She's like, hey, I'm not a big texture or pen pal person. Let's just meet. Oh, wow.

Do we? Is that the first message she sent you, or had you messaged her first? No, no, that was on her dating profile. Oh. Oh, so that's the PSA for everyone. Okay, so it wasn't special treatment for you? Correct. She's very blunt and to the point, which I really love.

I can be refreshing, yeah. So what did you write to her to make her interested in meeting up with you in person? Well, I think it wasn't much. It was like, I agree with you. Let's not get stuck on this app and text. Let's meet in person. And she had an amazing smile. So I knew there was attraction.

So I'm like, great, let's meet. That's awesome because you have the entire rest of your lives to, talk and bore each other and get to know each other that way. Let's just cut right to the juice. I don't know, though. You're total strangers. Like, you don't even have, I mean, it's one thing when you're, like, set up on a blind date by a friend.

You just, there's some, like, well, somebody's vouching for this person. True. This is, like, out of the blue. Internet stranger. Yeah, I didn't really feel she was a stranger. Like, she had a nice listing of stuff on her profile. I kind of had an idea of who she was. You know what I mean?

Like, I kind of knew, at least in writing, what kind of person she was. So I felt comfortable. It wasn't a big deal. That's great. That is good. Yes. Yeah.

A little dangerous is exciting on a first. So what did you guys end up doing? I mean, you obviously met, right? Yeah. So we met up at a restaurant. Public area. You guys really jumped right into it. I thought for sure it would be coffee.

Yeah, it was dinner. And she getting to know her a little bit of dinner, she's a very to the point person, but still friendly. She wasn't like a dick or mean or anything. She was very beautiful, great smile. That would be kind of funny. She sits down. She's like, all right, let's get these appetizers going.

Don't look at me. Don't talk to me. Let's eat first. Yeah, let's eat and then we'll go from there. But it's so different. Like, you're going into a dinner where you know nothing about this person. All the other dates, you already know some history, right? Yeah, a little bit.

But if you get to know people, then that gives you reasons to not like that. So it's safer to not do that. I get it. I get it. Yeah. That's why no one should ever ask me anything and we'll be good. Did it work out well for you, Gabe and Abby? Yeah, what was a conversation like?

It was a great conversation. We talked about family and what she's into and what she does outside of work. So it was a nice flow. I mean, I'm not going to lie. And then actually something really cute happened. Some little kid came up to our table. He was in like a Superman cape, you know. He came kind of running up.

And she was playing along like, hey, Superman, are you here looking for your villain? Like she was like playing into this kid. She didn't roll her eyes and say, God, some parents. This is a restaurant. Get control of your children. I'd be like, kid, get away. Basically, I would have been the same way. Like, kids, go scram.

Go with your parents. You're interrupting our day. So, like, she was, like, charming, actually. And so I was like, oh, and look it. I want to have kids one day. And so I'm like, maybe this would be a great mom. Oh, good. He's a future milf.

Yeah. I hope you didn't tell her that. That's usually a turn off when you hear that on a first date. You're going to be a great mom. Yeah, no, I held off on that. Okay, good. Okay, good. Yeah, it's a sweet thought.

How did the dinner end? So it ended, I thought pretty well, and I said to her, you know, I'm thinking I'd want another date with you. And she kind of laughed and says, we'll see, but in a cutesy way. But now it's been, here we are, a week and a half later, and nothing. She hasn't responded to me. So maybe she wasn't being as cutesy as you thought when she said that? Yeah. Did I do something wrong?

Did I say something? I'd like to know where I stand. I feel like it's going to be easy if this is a direct person. I'm just going to say that. I mean, it's easier to pick up and then it should be a short phone call. Yeah, but she might be brutally honest. So you better be prepared for that. But you would think if she was that brutally honest,

she would have just told him directly, we're not going to hang out again. So many, what is this girl? Instead of leaving him hanging. I don't know. A lot of Mabies flying around. Could have been her kid actually in real life, and she just wanted to, like, get away from him.

Mommy's on a date. I told you. Sit in booth number four, honey. That could have been her little test, and you failed. Oh, no. That's her little super boy. If that really was her kid, then, you know, that's pretty impressive. Bravo to her.

I didn't see that coming, but the kid didn't look like her, by the way. It didn't look like her, so I didn't think that. You better go check your bill. Make sure you didn't pay for a kid's meal. We're going to find out for sure when we come back. We call this woman and we interrogate her on if she's a mom or not and if she wants to go out with you again. I think we get coming a little looser than that. No, we're coming in hard and fast like Superman World.

When we do your second date update right after this. Second date update Look, it's a kid in a cape at a restaurant And he didn't get kicked out Because one of our listeners, Gabe, was on a date with a woman recently When a superchild swooped up to their table And the woman he was with named Abby Treated him really nicely, shockingly.

Played along, even got into the game of pretend Yeah, like who's the thing? a villain. Ah, broccoli is my kryptonite. No. And when he suggested afterwards that they hang out again, Abby replied, we'll see. Yeah. She thought was flirty until she stopped calling him.

Yeah. Directly to the point. And hopefully it's not going to take superhero strength to get Gabe another date here because looking around the room, I don't know if we have it in us. I'll be honest. Alexis said she lifted one way in a gym yesterday. I did. I'm a little sore, but I might be able to pull through it. Wow.

A two and a half pounder? Good for you. Five after there's one in each hand. Wow. Oh, never mind. She'd have given us more credit. Gabe, on a scale of one to ten, how confident are you that we're going to get this done for you?

Probably a six. Oh. I thought it would be... You could like to do us and said ten. Well, yeah, nothing against you guys. I just feel like I'd done something wrong and I'm a little nervous about it. Okay. All right.

So you're the reason it's a six. Okay. I like that. We blame you. All right. We're going to put all the blame on you if this goes wrong, but if it goes right, 100% of the credit goes to us. I like that.

Deal? That works. All right. Glad we agree. Let's call this lady for you. See if we can get another date. Here we go. Hello.

Hey, is this Abby? Yeah. Hey, Abby. You may or may not know us, but we're a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. And we were hoping we could take a second of your time to talk. date life. What? Hi, Gabby.

Hi, Abby. Sorry, I almost called you Gabby. Because who you went out. Oh, wow. I mean, it kind of makes sense. You were laughing at what I said. I don't know. Sorry, Abby.

You should probably talk to her a little bit. I like talking around her. No, seriously. Gabby, what's up? No, it's Abby. It's Abby. Oh, sorry. You know what?

I'm mashing the name up with the guy that you went out with recently. That's what Brooke said. You're not listening either. Oh. This is a mess. This is all awful. I'm sorry, Abby.

You know what? At this point, we're just going to have Alexis takeover. Good idea. Alexis, run the combo. How many people are on the phone, right? Yeah, that's a lot. Where's four of us? It's a whole room full of us.

Together we make one great. Four of you. Well, we're a morning show. It's a radio show. I'm on the radio. Yeah, we got there. We're doing a segment called a second date update, and we're trying to help out one of our listeners named Gabe,

who you met at a restaurant recently. Yeah, yeah, I know. Oh. Did you have a fun time with Gabe? Look, here's the deal. I like getting to know him. I found him to be interesting at first, but then he said a bunch of things

that were pretty off-putting to me, and I'm just going to leave it at that. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, one of the good things he said about you is he loved how honest you were,

and so I don't know that he would be hurt to hear what you have to say. Yeah, he's just a little clueless. I don't think that he realizes that he said anything that could have come across offensive. One of the things that he said to me at first was, You look nice in this light. Okay.

And where's the bad part? Well, because it's in this light. It's a little backhanded. Oh, you read into that. That's the thing. There was no light. It was super dark where we were. Like, I looked nice in the dark.

That's bad. That's rude. That could be a compliment. You don't need a light to look pretty. I would take that as a. Look, I've heard you say this before. Like, ooh, the lighting in here is perfect for me and things like that. I can say that about myself.

Oh, he said more than that. We haven't even gotten to the other things he said Oh, there's more? He said, I bet you're so pretty that the guys online are throwing themselves at you. What, like, guys in person don't throw themselves at me? Like, oh, come on. That's so nitpicky.

I think that's a little bit of a stretch. I think that maybe you were hurt from the lighting comment and then you're like defensive. So now you're looking for the backhanded compliments. No, like, I have nothing else to offer except my look. Like, come on. Well, you know, it's interesting.

He didn't even bring up your looks when we talked to him about... Don't tell her that, Brooke? No. No. He wants to know that she has other. Okay. She has other things to offer. He talked about how lovely and, and how great she was with the kid and what a good person she seems like.

The kid, that's true. He said something. Oh, the kid. You didn't mention a good moment where a kid came up to the table and you were really playful. Yeah. Yeah. He was, like, so impressed that I, shockingly, be good with kids. Like, of course I'm good with kids.

It seems like every compliment. Hold on. You were offended that he said that you seem to be good with kids? Yeah, like, why wouldn't I be? I don't think he meant it as a surprise. He just has never met you before. So everything's new and surprising. You go with low expectations.

But I just think you give him a chance. Like, he's nervous. He's trying to be nice to you. I don't see it that way at all. Well, you don't have to take it directly from us. You can actually hear it straight from Gabe's mouth because he's on the other line listening right. now wanting to talk to you

and not compliment you in any way oh come on don't set him up like that well i don't know that gabe are you there hey guys hey abby hey here we are he's like this is awkward he's clearly a little bit scared so there's another person on the line too

yeah it's good guy the one you went out with god this is like this crazy party it is like a party Gabe talk to Abby tell her what you meant So I didn't mean anything like negative or derogatory. I was trying to compliment you. I was trying to be flirty.

I was trying to be cutesy, cheeky, you know what I mean? And I don't remember you having an ego like you do now. I will say that. That's not helpful. That's not helpful. Any points? But, I mean, I just, I'm shocked to hear all this. And when I said you look good in this light, you took it in a way that I meant that had nothing to do what you thought.

it was. Like, maybe you have some insecurity issues. I don't know. Oh, I haven't seen it now, too. So that's just what I'm talking about. Okay, wait, let me just jump in really quick. I think what he meant by that is I'm really, really sorry. Yeah. This is why Jess is a good

compliment. All you have to do is bring Jeff on every date you ever go on, and he will interpret in the correct way. Men have a hard time expressing what they really feel inside, so I can translate. He's deeply apologetic. I have I'm not hearing that at all.

Gabe, why are you saying things like that? You're being like, you're like accusing her of having a big ego and being insecure. Why would you even mention that? Again, I was being trying to be cute and flirty. And now I'm hearing the side of her like, which came out of nowhere. She didn't say any of this during our dinner. I'm just glad I didn't say anything wrong, truly. I can understand, Gabe, you're feeling a little bit attacked because she's, she thinks that you're being insulting and you don't feel that way.

Maybe this is a good chance to hit the reset button and try complimenting her in a totally non-offensive, completely 100% safe way. Good idea, Jim. Whatever you do, Gabe, do not say you're smart for a woman. Don't say that. Don't say what Brooks husband tells to her. I will compliment you right now, again, Abby. Like I did a few times, you are remarkable. You are gorgeous and an incredible, soon-to-be mother, and how you kind of played with that young kid who came over with the super-a-game.

What, do I look fat now? Two? Oh, no. Oh, no. You don't never say soon. No. Where are you getting this? What's wrong? Like, what's happening here? No. I haven't heard enough. Honestly, this has been enough. I didn't need to engage in it a second time, quite frankly. So I'm going to go. He's trying, but it's just not working. I get her side. Word of advice, next time you go out with a woman, a beautiful woman, a lovely woman, I mean, maybe you just try not to shame her all the time, okay? I don't think that's his intention, though. It's not a bad piece of advice. Well, of course. I think everyone should know that.

Gabe, you can compliment her on that nice piece of advice that she gave you. That was a wonderful piece of advice, Abby. I'm going to take it to heart, and I'm going to make a note in my journal about it when I write tonight, so I appreciate that. And I wish you the best. You're beautiful. You're charming. Okay. You don't have an ego.

We're done. We're wonderful. See, now it's all sarcasm. It's like he's overcompensating. Are you, are we even going to ask, Jeff? We still need to, I think, technically. It's just like their chemistry is off. Like, no one's done anything crazy wrong.

You know, this would happen if they texted before they went out on a date. Maybe. It's a good point. But we would love to offer to send you guys out to meet up one more time. Hard path. Thank you, Al. Hard path. Okay.

Shocking. Well, it's a no from Abby. It sounds like, but Gabe, I haven't heard from you. Are you still in? Why does it matter? A solo date by yourself. Oh. Do we offer me?

Yeah. I mean, if you guys are paying, I wouldn't mind that. That's nice. Okay, we can, like, practice. Yes. By yourself. Maybe across from a mirror. He's at a low-lit diner just talking to himself.

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Darn it. But, Brooke, though, I do have to give it to you here. Because for what? You were very calm and rational when talking to the callers today and not emotional and control like normal. I was impressed is what I'm trying to say. That is what we call it backhand a compliment,

Jeffrey. No, I'm just saying that you were so poised that I hardly even noticed your mismatched outfit. You can't take offense to that. I'm giving you a compliment. I said, I didn't notice. That's not getting the ears right. If it was anyone else, I'd take offense to it. But it's Jeffrey.

Yeah, and I don't really care about his opinion. Well, bro, I think that you're hearing what you want to hear there. And just the fact that you're hearing it all at your age is a miracle in itself. So let's give her some applause. Everybody, let's give some applause to Brooke. I can't hear that. The whole studio loves you. That's what I'm trying to say.

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