Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Second Date Update Classics: B Dub Flub + Red Light Green Light

Episode Date: July 4, 2026

Part 1 When the woman on the phone today described her job to us we were SHOCKED… but is it something that would keep her from a happy dating life?  Part 2 In today’s Second Date Update there was one moment that brought the evening to a SCREECHING HALT!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Brickett Jeffrey in the morning. We're putting two classics back to back for you so you can get whatever you need to get done, done today. Yeah. And just have a little dose of second date on your Saturday. Or the opposite. Don't do anything. And just sit and listen. I'm productive.

You know? It was too good. You got distracted. We don't judge you. All right. Just enjoy. It starts right now. The world is constantly evolving.

Yeah. And we're seeing new technology, new trends, new social norms, even new jobs. Oh, yeah, for sure. And one of our listeners has a job that we had never heard of before. And when she described her profession to us, the whole room was shocked. Yeah. Alexis was jealous. Seriously.

Jose and I were impressed. And Brooke, well, she told this woman she should be ashamed of herself and can do better. I'm not wrong. To be fair, that's Brooke's response to everyone about everything they said. The question is, does her unlawful? unusual job block her from a happy dating life. We're going to find out in a second date update right after this. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

Second date update. An important part of any blossoming relationship is the first time a woman corrects her man and tells him he messed up. You need to do better. All right. Well, this has to happen. It's such a special moment because we need that. As guys, if left to our own devices, we'll wear four gallons of Axe body spray and think it smells good. Yes, we do need guidance.

We'll wash our cashmere sweaters in hot water. Oh. We love having to correct men. Do you dry them too, Jeff? Is that what you do? Are we not supposed to? Oh, yeah. Can we be mothers to every man out there?

Thank goodness for women being there to correct us so we can learn and go, oh, that's how it works. You never have to use your own break. Well, a lot of women will wait a few dates to. correct their men, but not our listener, Monica. Uh-oh. She told the guy he messed up on night one. Yikes. Uh-oh.

For his benefit, Brooke. No, it's not. It is so wild. That's what happened. Monica, welcome to the show. Was that intro to your liking or could I have done better? No, you hit it. Oh, you.

Awesome. Thank you. Wow. It's not just made my day, Monica. Thank you so much. I'm always so curious why someone says a guy messes up and then still wants to call him for another date. Oh, that's a... You know? Yeah.

We'll get into that. But let's start with what's this guy's name? Who did you go out with? Okay. So I met Isaac online. And he seemed really cool. I like his personality. I like his looks, definitely.

Okay. So there's a lot of potential there. Yeah, I really liked him because there's a lot of guys on this app that there will take you forever. I don't do the back and forth, back and forth thing. But he came right down with it. He was like, I want to take you out. Oh, nice.

Direct to the point, confident? Yeah, and all about action. Yeah. Instead of just living in this weird world of like, what are we doing? Exactly. That's a good note for men because the more you talk, the more opportunities you're giving yourself to say something stupid. And we will do that.

Exactly. Well said, Jeff. Not stop talking, Jeff. Okay, good for Isaac. Now, I'm not going to say much more. Just keep going. What happened? Yeah, he says, come pick me up and take me to a nice restaurant.

So, you know, I got up and my nice little dress thinking, yeah, hey. And then he came, pulled up. He got out. He opened my door. Oh, my gosh. And I was like, okay, yeah, he was very nice. I ain't going to lie. He was nice. Okay. Okay. So everything's working in his favor right now.

I'm wondering where things start to turn and you have to step in. As soon as we got off the highway, I'm like, oh, no, because I see Buffalo Wild Wings. B-Dubs. Oh, I love B-Dubs. Yeah. Okay. Wait. Pepper Wings.

Let's go. Are you excited about that or not excited? Not excited at all. I just came from Buffalo Wyewings. I went two nights ago with my home girls. Okay. What am I getting excited for now? Okay, so he's taking you there for a date and you're not feeling that.

You expected something a little better. Okay. A lot better, not a little. Wow. He puts it in park. He gets out of car, comes around and opens my door like the perfect gentleman he is. And I said, please close my door. You said close the door while you're still in the car?

I said, please close my door. Well, it's nice you were polite. Please close my door. And I think that he thought I was kidding because he was like standing there. I'm like, hello. Probably. Yeah. He's pretty boldly you to say.

So you're going to force him to take you somewhere else. I don't force anybody do anything. I'm letting him know, please close my door because I don't do Buffalo wild wings as a date. Oh, God, that's a hangout, not a date. You deserve better. Exactly. It's just such a messy food. It's a terrible first date.

It depends on the people. It sucks your address and stuff to go there. Also just makes me uncomfortable. Yeah. You're expecting. Women don't want to like sit and drink beers and watch sports and scream and spill beer everywhere? I'm going to tell you what I don't want to do on a date. I don't want to watch a whole grown man lick his fingers.

Okay. That's what I'm going to write that down. I thought he was sexy when we sucked on the bone. Don't lick fingers. No, no. So wait, did he finally listen to you and shut the door? Yes, he did. He set the door.

I said, I got three choices for you. And he picked a nice cocktail bar and I said, okay, cool. Okay. Okay, he didn't know, right? He didn't know. I told him, let's go. Awesome. And he adapted and he was offended.

He seemed offended by the way. He seemed more confused than offended. Okay, that's good. That's just standard, you know, mental headspace for men, just constantly. Right, right. How was it, though, when you got to the cocktail bar, were you able to still keep a good energy together? Yeah, he asked me questions about what had just happened. I'm like, yo, I'm a lady for real.

I want silverware. I don't want plastic utensils. I'm with you on that one. So he was like, okay, I never thought of that. I'm teaching him what a real lady like. I'm sure he actually appreciated the education on how to properly woo a woman. How do you know he appreciated it? Because he's not calling you back.

Oh, yeah. Oh, now that's a good question. He's very appreciated. And that's what I'm calling you. See, I would be insulted. See, I'm thinking that's the reason he wasn't getting second dates before and now he's got it down. Oh, she taught him too well. Yeah.

She's taught him too well. That's a good point. That's what a lot of women get upset when they're like, oh, great, I clearly. I cleaned up my guy just for the next woman to come and, like, swipe him up. He's taking 10 girls on that cocktail bar. We're going to get down to the nitty-gritty because I want to know because I think I did everything right and I taught him how to do everything right. And so now let's get it right to God. You deserve him into the man I want.

Now, call me back. You deserve a medal and definitely a second date here. But what if he feels like you're too high maintenance? Then screw that guy. He doesn't want a real woman. Then you'll lay into him go full heart against him, right? That's where you come in. You do your thing.

No, I just think that if you have some boundaries like that, they should be established before the date, not when you're in the middle of him. But look, he's the one to ask me out, and I accepted, right? Yeah. So you're going to learn me on the date, and that's what he did. And if he didn't like what he learned, he could at least respond it. You have him for on the whole radio show to find out what's wrong with you.

That's true. No, I can't wait to hear it. I can't wait to hear it, too. So hopefully he picks up, but we're going to come back. We'll call Isaac for you. and figure out why in the world he would not be calling back a classy woman like yourself, Monica. Yeah, she's a cloth napkin type of lady. That's right.

Let's get some answers when we do your second date update right after this. Hold on. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update. If you're just joining us, we've been speaking to a true hero. Oh. Her name is Monica. Okay.

Heroically swooped in and saved her date, Isaac, from pulling a total rookie move. When he tried to bring her to Buffalo Wild Wings for their date. And that wasn't going to fly with her. So Monica refused to get out of his car in order to show him this is not where you take a lady of substance. She put on a dress, okay? Yeah, they definitely had a miscommunication over what a dinner date looks like. But instead, they ended up at a nice cocktail bar. That's good.

And they did it the proper way, where she actually discovered Isaac's a pretty good guy, as some gentlemanly qualities, something to work with. So the question is, why is he not reaching out for cocktails round two? Monica, is it possible that maybe he saw your helpful sensee teaching abilities as a little bit condescending? That's a possibility. I just wish he would have expressed that to me personally. Yeah, you seem like a person who can take criticism, construction criticism. Of course, I can.

If I could dish it, I definitely can take it. Yeah, yeah. That's right. That's a good attitude to have. It doesn't happen often on this show. Yeah. Would you like to criticize her constructively before we do this call? Is that where you're going? She knows who she is.

She knows what she wants and she wants to go out with Isaac. Okay. So, Brooke, you're scared of her and you're afraid to say anything. I think Isaac will be scared and it will be afraid to say no. So I think you're getting a date no matter what. I also like to scare men. I'm going to say she seems like you, Brooke. I'm with you.

We're going to intimidate this guy in saying. yes to a date. But let's see what he has to say he picks up the phone. But here we go. Hello? Hey, is this Isaac? Yeah, who's this? Hey, man. We're a radio show. You're on it right now. It's called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Welcome to the show, Isaac. Hey, good morning. Why is a radio show calling me?

Well, it's kind of a good reason. We do a segment on this show. It's called a second date update. Wait. It sounds like you haven't heard it. But that. This is a segment where we help out our listeners who've been on a date with someone, and afterwards they're not getting a call back to go on a second one. I think I have heard of it. I think I've seen this online somewhere. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, a lot of them are viral on TikTok. They're on there. You can follow us at Brooke and Jeffrey if you want to, no pressure. But basically the reason that we're calling you is there's a woman named Monica who asked us to get a hold of you. Hey. Yeah. I met Monica, yeah. Right.

We know you met her. Sounds like you guys could have had a great date. What did she tell you? What did she tell you? Ah, good question. Okay, well, I guess the general recap of what we heard from her is you picked her up. Then you took her to Buffalo Wild Wings. Which she politely redirected over to a cocktail bar.

Well, politely redirected, it would be wrong. Well, that's Jeff. I was trying to gently say it. She's our friend, so we know, we're not going to be rude. Well, I mean, I wasn't rude either. She just simply kind of barked, closed my door. Oh. At first, I just stood there.

Like, what do you mean? Like, there's a bug about to get inside my car. I can see that. Yeah. Oh, my God, close the door. I was like, okay. So I close the door and I go back to my side of the car. I get in.

And she explains to me like, hey, I don't do Buffalo Wild Wings. And I was like, all right. I mean, the reason why I chose the Buffalo Wild Wains because in these new dating apps, it's better to start out something very casual. Another date, we graduate to something a little better. Wait, did you explain all of that to her what you just told us why you chose it?

No, I didn't explain any of that to her and also didn't tell her this. I own that Buffalo Wild Wains. You own it? Wait, what? You're a franchisee? You're going to take her to your own job, though? I'm not supposed to be.

impressive, Alexis. Yeah, except you get free food. Yeah, but guys, he's a business owner. Yeah, who cares? Okay. So look, I'm going to be honest. I'm still a gentleman. She wanted to go somewhere a little bit better.

So we made our way to this great cocktail lounge that I know. Yeah. So what changed your mind to where now you're not reaching out to her for a second date? Okay, so while we're kind of enjoying each other's company at the cocktail bar, I start asking her a little bit more about her life. And, of course, we get to, like, what do we do for a living? And she kind of skated around it for a while So she came to an answer

I'd never heard in my entire life What is it? She says she's a stay-at-home daughter. A stay-at-home daughter? That's amazing. She's got to be joking. Like, that's a joke. I love that.

No, it's not a joke. That's what she told me. She said her occupation at 31 years old is that she's a stay-at-home daughter. Dang. I'm jealous. My goal is to be a stay-at-home girlfriend. I mean, that is a real fancy way to say you're unemployed and live with mom and dad.

Okay, so you were turned off because she doesn't have enough ambition or drive. Thank you. All right. We got to cut this right here. Okay. I don't know what's going on. All right. I don't want to make her mad. But, Isaac, that's Monica on the other line listening to this conversation.

Clearly, it's Monica, clearly. Maybe she's on her parents' landline. You better watch yourself. You're supposed to be with me here. Yeah, bro. Okay, Monica, clearly you wanted to jump in and say something. So go ahead and talk to Isaac. Hello, Isaac.

How are you? Hi, Monica from your mom's couch. How you doing? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you something, Isaac. I don't know what's the disrespect about. I thought we got along pretty well. On our date, we had a good time.

I didn't know you had a problem with my daily occupations. patient. What is the problem with you? Are your parents like elderly? Do you stay home and take care of them? Is that what's going on? No, they're perfectly healthy. They just take care of me. I'm their baby girl and I always will be. Monica, guess who else is perfectly healthy? You are. Get a job. Oh, you got one-liners. You know what? Let me tell you something. I am perfectly healthy. Yes, I am, as you can see. And if I had to get a job, I would. But guess what? I don't have to. A lot of people are jealous of that. I'm with you.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Don't you want a job? Don't you want your own career? Don't you have your own dreams and ambitions? Yes, my dream and my ambition is sit at home, planning my day, going and doing what I have to do, and finding a man that's not take care of me so my parents could stop. Oh. So that's your goal.

Brooke, it sounds like you're judging her there, and she explicitly asked you not to do so. It's really hard not to. Why? Because you would never date a guy who is doing what you do. You are exactly right. And they shouldn't. A man shouldn't do what I do. Yeah, with the providers, Brooke.

My role is to be taken care of. That's my love language. I love to be taking care of. And if it works for me, it works for me. She wasn't to the old school chivalry and stuff. Yeah, she loves all that. I cannot imagine, imagine being a man going and meeting your parents for the first time. That sounds like.

You have to have a present. for both of them, like a diamond necklace for one. What's your dowry, sir? Well, Isaac, now that she's explained this a little bit more, you're probably more receptive to going out with her one more time. Look, look, I wish Monica the best. It's just

not the best with me. Oh, man. You have great life, Monica. I hope you find a guy slash simp that will take care. What? I don't think so, Isaac. You're going to take me out, and that's just the way it's going to be. Oh, she's just telling him?

I love how you want to be the boss, but you don't want to do any of the work to become a boss. A boss doesn't work, yo. No, I think you have the wrong idea of a boss. You don't want to make a man. And that is the problem. Y'all just don't understand. And clearly, I don't understand being a holistic owner

and want to take me to his little budget wing stop. Oh. You know what? I'm going to be honest with you, Monica. See, there's a difference. There's a difference between a boss and a leader. You're not a leader. Oh.

I never said I want to. I was a leader. I never said that. I'm a boss. I'm a leader. I'm a leader. Okay, then that's all right then. But you could have been a man and lead my ass and call me and told me that. You could have told me that. Why are you dipping and dodging and running? No one's dodging or running. What I'm doing is ghosting. By bitch. We're going to blame that out. Wow.

We're definitely bleeping that out. Okay. That was uncalled for. Yikes. Okay. I don't need him. I don't need him anyway. You don't. You don't. You hung up, by the way.

You need to get a job. No, you don't. Yes. You don't listen to Brooke. You know what you need to do is you need to go to Buffalo Wild Wings and spend your parents' money over there. No, I'm not going in no more. Look, I'm going to the competition. I feel like you're going to be on the phone a lot with your expectations for dating.

Well, that's okay. Look, I got a lot of time, boo-boo. Oh, yeah. That's a good point. And are your parents? hiring for any open roles in your family because I would love to be a part of that. No, that good.

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We just have to find it. Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, hey, we all learned a new job today. Stay at home daughter. That is not a job. I'm applying right now. I'm texting my mom. You would last, I give you two days back home with your parents.

Are you kidding me? Half of a day at your mom's house. Isaac did not like it. Obviously, Brooke does not respect it either. But okay, Brooke, let me ask you this. Okay. Would it have changed how you felt if Monica was 21 years old compared to 31? Would you give her more grace?

No, if she's not going to school, she should be working. No, that's right. Brooke believes you should start working at age six in one of her overseas factories. So parents, if you're lazy first grader is still mooching off of you as a stay-at-home child, then text in to 7-8-5-92. Brooke will whip him into shape. Let me give you some parenting tips. Yes.

And if not parenting tips, we can hopefully at least give you a little bit of dating help. You can email the show. We can call that person who's not calling you back. And go check out all of our second date podcasts. Wherever you get yours, they're up at Brooke and Jeffrey. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. There's nothing more hacky, more cliche, more overdone gimmick in radio than playing the record scratch sound effect. Awkward

When you get records in here Do I hear crickets? Nobody's laughing I mean you've heard it on commercials And in old sitcoms Honestly we've probably done it on the show too A few times We just did it

I don't remember But in today's call You're gonna hear a real life Record Scratch moment that happened That immediately put the brakes On a decent date Oh get the vinyl's ready You know if you listen to that differently

It kind of sounds like a zipper going down. Which would be a positive on a date. Brooke here's what she wants to hear. That's right, Jeff. What was said? I know I cringed when I heard it. I'm guessing you will too in your second date update right after this. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

Second date update. What do you do if you're on a date with someone and in the middle you feel like it's going me? Ne. Do you, A, order a round of shots? to get the party going. Hey, it's a win-win, you know. Really depends on the establishment you're in. Fair?

Yeah, this Denny's just going to get lit. Option B, fake like you're choking, so she gives you the Heimlich, and at least you get some action out of it. A couple broken ribs, too. Yeah. You know? Worth it.

Or C, have a very honest one-on-one breakdown about how this date is actually going so far. I think I take the Heimlich option over that one, And I wonder if our listener Tina wishes she had done the same. So let's talk to her. Tina, welcome to the show. Hi, thank you. Oh, my God.

That intro makes it sound like you told your date in the middle of it that it was going terribly. Well, you sent us an email about this person's profile that you met on Hinge. And I'm just going to read some of the things that you sent from his bio before we even get to your story. Okay. Okay, I'm interested. So according to this, his name is Josh.

Uh-huh. He's a specialist in education. His profile says he's dating with the intention of. of marriage. Oh, okay. Sounds like a stable guy. Good career. And he's into skyscrapers and tropical fruits. Not sure why we would need to know that information for this, but it's nice to be over-informed sometimes. If they ever put a big apple on the big apple, this guy would freak out. Sounds like if there's a lull in your date, you just bring him to a tall building and he's really excited. Wow. That's got to be at least 100 stories. All right. Now we have an idea about who Josh is. Clearly,

you met him on the app. So what did you two do for your date? We actually went to the zoo. The zoo? That's a cute date. Yeah, we got a couple of waffle cones and we just walked around, looked at animals and just talked a lot. All right. That sounds good. Well, he did. He talked a lot.

Oh, okay. Does that have anything to do with the thing I mentioned earlier about when the date's kind of going, me? Yes. He's the one who asked me. Oh, he asked you how the date was going? Yes. Because I was being kind of quiet and so maybe he wasn't sure if I was having fun. So he just asked, like, is the date going okay? Was that the first question he asked you? Because it sounds like he was talking a lot.

Yes. Oh, no. What did you say? I was like, do you want me to be honest? That's never a good response. I would have been like, no. No. And that would have made it fun, right?

Like, lie to me. Oh, no. Anyways. What happened? You were honest, I'm guessing. Yeah, because he said, yes, please. So I told him directly, well, honestly, you're talking a lot. Oh, okay.

Good feedback for his next date. And as a person who talks a lot, it's good to know that. Well, maybe, but some people might take that differently. Did Josh seem offended by the critique? No, he seemed more confused, like, as if he didn't know he was doing it. But he heard me out, and then he tried to take constructive criticism. That's good. Oh, that's good.

And he did a good job of it. Oh, he did. Okay. Good. All right. Yeah. Oh, okay. We hung out for another hour.

Ended up grabbing drinks there because at the zoo you can like buy beer. Yeah. And I didn't even know that. Oh, you can't. Dude, they're offering alcohol in every kid's place these days. Parents are just like, well, we need it. Do they can theme them too? Like sloth shots.

Well, I think it's just beer and wine typically. Yeah. It's not like banana beer with the monkeys. It's just to take the edge off. It's not to turn. Turn up. People are doing body shots at the zoo. Oh, man.

I mean, if you bring your own in. Okay, Alexis has a plan. Okay. Maybe a little bit of beer, a little bit of alcohol helped make the conversation go a little bit better? Yeah. It actually did. Good. Okay.

So maybe he was just nervous, right? Yeah. Maybe you're just a strikingly beautiful woman and he couldn't think straight. And that's why he was talking so much in the beginning. Still annoying. You said it. Okay. She's not denying that.

How did you two leave things at the very end? Well, at the very end, we just hugged and said goodbye. But while we were there, we worked on like an analogue puzzle and we did it together. And it was fun. So it was cool. So the date actually got better then after you told him like he was talking too much? Yeah, it actually did. Like, I mean, he was more mindful.

He asked me questions. He allowed me to speak. Yeah. Oh, that's so good. Oh, that is really good day. You did an analop puzzle. Yeah. That's a hot foreplay right there.

Highlight of any date, Jeff. I mean, sorry, you said it just led to a hug at the very end. There was no kiss? No. We text since then, but they've all been pretty short. So I feel like now maybe he's overthinking things and he's taking what I said too seriously. Yeah, totally. Oh, he talked too much before and now he's not talking enough.

Yeah. Right. I could see that. He's overcompensating. Or it could be something completely different that I didn't pick up on. Okay. But you're definitely feeling the vibe like he is not responding enough to ask you out again, obviously. Yeah, because, like, I'm sending him flirty texts and flirty picks, and he's not responding, and that never happened.

She's like anelope skyscraper guava fruits. Oh. And he's saying nothing? He's got all he needs. That's the problem. What is wrong with this man? Yeah. Yeah.

You said it, Jeff. Follow me for my sexy emoji handbook coming out later on in this winter. Is that a papaya next to the space needle? Is it really an alope emoji? No spoilers. Okay. First, we've got to finish this second date update. We'll call Josh, get some answers and do it right after this.

Hold on. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update. I've learned two things so far today. Okay. One. Shots, shot, shock, shock, shosh, shots. Everybody.

You can drink at the zoo. Okay. I can't believe you, of all people, didn't know that. I mean, I feel like you. sniff out a beer wherever it is. I'm not a zoo frequenter, but look for Brooke and Jeffrey's listener's zoo crawl coming soon. We'll meet you by the

baboons for Yeager bombs. I think it's like a responsible you have a beer, Jeff. No, they do adult only zoo days. Not on Brooke and Jeffery's listener's zoo crawl. Lexus passes out in the bear enclosure. Oh, don't cuddle me. Hashtag goals.

The second thing I've learned is with enough constructive criticism, you can change a man. Brooke already knew that, though. She tells me every day. Oh, my God. It is not worth your energy. I said that because our listener, Tina, was honest on her date when Josh asked, how do you think this is going with us?

And she was polite, but said, you'd probably be going better if you talked a little less. Yeah. Yeah. But he hurt her. You know, like, that's the amazing thing. He's like, oh, okay. Exactly. Their day actually went pretty good after that.

He didn't run off and cry near the snake cage like most guys would. He actually stuck around. had fun. They got drinks, did puzzles. So maybe there's another factor playing into all this that we don't know about yet. So Tina, even though he has all these issues, why is it that you want us to reach out to him today? I mean, like, we had fun together and he's like a great guy. Totally. Well, the fact that he could adjust and take constructive criticism and be mature about it, I think that's a big green flag. Well, and anybody who's a talker knows that if you get nervous, your mouth just doesn't shut up. Okay. Maybe let's take some of our own advice there.

I get it. And we are going to call Josh. Let's listen to ourselves. I'm dialing Josh's number right now. Hopefully he picks up. Here we go. Great. Thank you guys.

You're welcome. Let's do this. Hey, is this Josh? Yeah. Who's this? Hey, Josh. Hi, Josh. Hey, good morning.

How many are there? What's going on? Yeah, there's a lot of us in here because we're a show. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Kind of like a morning zoo, if you will. Oh, God, I worked on a show called the Morning Zoo. Oh, God, that was supposed to be a joke. I know. It's not sad.

Yeah, you're on the radio right now, Josh. Okay. Why? Yeah. Why is because we're doing a segment called a Second Date update. Great news. I was waiting for response. It's okay.

He doesn't know what it is. That's all right. It's a segment. We try to help out listeners who've gone out with someone, and they're not getting a call back for a second meeting. up. So that's the case with you and one of our listeners named Tina. Hello? Yeah.

See, you're not letting the pause happen. Well, you're doing it, Jeff. Give him a beat. You know, he's processing a lot right now. Got you. Don't force it. I'll try it again. Tina. Yeah, Tina. I remember Tina. Okay. Sorry. I know this is probably a lot. I'll just tell you that we spoke to Tina before calling you.

And she told us about your hangout. She mentioned the vibe between you may have changed after you. you asked if everything was going okay in the middle of the date. Yeah, that's true. What did you think about her response? Yeah, of her feedback. I mean, she used this analogy. She called it the stoplight rule.

Okay. Stoplight rule. When she was talking about how you were talking too much? Yeah, we're not familiar with that. What is the stoplight rule? Okay, well, she says that when you've been talking for 20 seconds, it goes from a green light to a yellow light because you start a stop. talk too long.

20 seconds? Yeah, 20 seconds. And then once you hit 40 seconds, it's a red light. What? Okay. That's like a general rule you're saying. Yeah, she explained the whole thing to me.

And she said that I sped past the red light at least two to three times, which I'm like, okay, I didn't know that like there was a traffic law for speaking. I mean, I guess to get conversation going back and forth, back and forth, like that ping pong thing. No, that makes 40 feel long now.

Yeah. I'm trying to count while you were talking just now. I heard it. Okay. I didn't lose it. And this is all feedback you're getting on a first date? Yeah. I mean, we were having drinks and, like, got a little bit of my story out.

And she was like, you still have the green, but only for another seven or eight seconds. She's literally like you're still allowed to talk. I thought it was just one example. And then we moved on from it. She's got one of those big speeding guns. She's blocking him. She's like, I'm counting. Keep going.

You're not talking enough now. That would be difficult. Yeah. Yeah, I like the rule, but it's stressful. Is that how it felt, Josh? Yeah, I mean, I felt like I was like on like my like driving test. Oh, yeah. When I was 16, the instructor was like, speed up, now slow down.

I use your blinker, merge. And so I just kind of like lost all my confidence. She's like, I love the way you parallel park that paragraph. Yeah. That was perfect. It's understandable. And you know what? I'm going to tell you something here, Josh.

I don't think Tina meant for it to come across that way. Uh-oh. And I'm going to let her tell that to you herself. because she is on the other line right now waiting for me to hit my red light so I can stop talking. She's got her emergencies on her. And I'm going to give her the green to go. So Tina, go ahead. The intersection is yours.

Josh, my God, like you make me sound so horrible. Oh, wow. Wait, wait. You been listening to this whole time? Yeah, and you're making me look pretty bad here. What? Well, hold on. Explain yourself.

I don't think he was making you look bad. He was just saying it was overwhelming, Tina. It was a lot for him to think about. Oh, my God. What? I'm sorry, but like, where's the lie? Like, I didn't say anything that was not true. That's what I wanted to.

Okay, well, to be honest, when you were talking to the radio host, I stopped listening after about, like, 20 seconds. Oh. Yeah. You're a yellow lighted. Why are you so offended? You gave him feedback, and now he's giving you feedback. Because he has a tendency to, like, drone on and on.

And he actually thanked me in a moment, and, like, Josh, don't forget that. You think you. What's what to say? Like, what do you say to that? Did you not ask me to give you honest feedback? Okay, like I did, but like I wasn't expecting you to be like a robot. Accept accountability.

Oh, like that's not your fault. You're a long talker. You just acknowledge it. And the goodness is you're trying to get better. And like, I see the potential in you and it's so great. I don't feel. I don't think it's a compliment you think it is to tell people you see potential in them. It's like, you like the person for how they are now.

Well, Brooke, I see potential in you in the future one day. Your garbage right now, Brooklyn, one day. Soon. I didn't mean it like that. I meant it like he's improving every second. And he needs me. Oh. Because, like, clearly, because now it's obvious, like, he hasn't learned his lesson

because he is still talking. And I also feel like the hosts are not even pretty. full attention. That's true. I really don't pay that much attention. That was a lot. They're not paying attention. Like, I'm sure they are because you're being rude and insensitive. Like, so there. Take that advice. Oh. I'm always open for getting better, Josh. But if it doesn't come with a helpful analogy and a short one, then it's kind of lost on me. Actually, the stoplight thing has already been taken. So you need to find another sort of like commuter thing. Yeah. We got to get some bicycle lane thing. Maybe like a merit.

How about compliment speed bumps? That would be helpful in a relationship. Relationships are not supposed to be this hard, especially. But this isn't hard. It's a little confusing. I told you what it was. I explained to you how it works, and I'm pointing out when you go too long. So like what's so hard about that?

It feels like one of those roundabouts where you don't know what the third X is. I'm going to give everybody the red light here. Okay. And I'm just going to tell you a little fun fact about me. What? I am not the best talker either. But I think something we can all agree on, even Brooke will back me on this, is everybody. All of us here and every person on earth has areas in their speech they could personally improve on.

Can we all agree on that? What does that have to do with him thinking she was rude? I'm just saying we all have flaws. Okay. There's an easier way to say that. But areas in our speech. I'm starting to think the 22nd rule is real. It gets boring after that.

Yeah. We all have areas for speech. No more advice is needed. And I should just ask, would you care to both improve each other's lives immensely by going out with one another one more time and we'll pay for it? I would do it again and do it for charity reasons. That is so backhanded.

We are right back to that. So that's a big yes. from Tina, who is looking to work and change you over the next few years, Josh. So what do you say? Will you be her project? Satan under like 20 words. I'm going to give you a yellow light on this. Yeah, I don't think so.

I don't want to feel like I'm going to traffic court every day for the rest of my life. So that's a big note from me. It's interesting. Most people think traffic court is fun. It didn't work out, Tina. It's his loss. It's his loss. She talks so much for someone who doesn't like talking about.

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