Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Second Date Update Classics: High School Holiday Hangout + Trial By Separation

Episode Date: December 27, 2025

Part 1 One of our listeners thought inviting a guy over might save her from spending time with her parents while home for the holidays… but we're going to hear how badly it backfired.  Part 2 The guy in today’s Second Date has been off the market for a decade and after his first date back in the game he’s getting left on read!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Because two is officially better than one. Welcome to your second date classes. I see what you did there. Yeah, there you go. It's Brickett Jeffrey in the morning. We're putting two classics back to back for you so you can get whatever you need to get done, done today. And just have a little dose of second date on your Saturday.

Or the opposite. Don't do anything. And just sit and listen. Unproductive. There you go. You know. It was too good. You got distracted.

We don't judge you. All right. Just enjoy. It starts right now. I know whenever I'm traveling to spend time, with my parents over the holidays. Yeah. I always have one thing on my mind.

What's that? How can I get out of spending time with my parents over the holidays? You're already thinking about it, aren't you? Yeah. And one of our listeners, I think, had a pretty good idea. Invite a guy over to your family's house to take you away from them for a whole night. Oh, okay. But unfortunately for her, that idea backfired spectacularly.

Oh. And we're all going to find out what happened when we do your... second date update next second date update you're going back home for the holidays can be really fun yeah yeah it can be great to reconnect with your siblings again your grandparents relatives you haven't seen in a while and if you're really lucky you might even see someone from your past and have a little holiday hookup search wait we're at a family not not your family It's like when everybody goes out. Like, you know, like when you're in your

one bar, that's the money. Exactly. Like, Brooke, didn't you and your old PE coach reconnect one year and get to second base or something? No, he married, I think, one of my other friends. Oh, you almost had to miss out of the table. Oh, too bad for you, Brooke, Mr. Chance. But one of our listeners, Simone,

reconnected with someone recently. Not an ex-boyfriend. It was just a guy from her high school. And I'm curious about how it went down because she's on the phone right now. Simone. So was this a fellow student or a faculty member? Oh, my God. It was not a faculty member. Also was a student. Okay.

Honestly, I hooked up with more guys from my high school way post high school than I did in high school. I was too dorky in high school. Nobody wanted to. All the girls get hot later. I tried. It's not that I didn't try. I didn't have to take her. Some are late to skank and some skankeroo. That's what we call late bloomer. As long as you get it done. So, Simone, who's this guy that you met up with? So his name is Jack, and we reconnected over Facebook

because I had posted that I was coming home and I was really excited to spend time with my family and friends for the holidays, and I was trying to kind of give everybody a heads up that I went to school with so we could try to plan something and all catch up. Yeah, it's like a mini informal reunion almost. Yeah, yeah. And did you know that you wanted to hook up with him immediately, or did you want to wait and see how it went?

Well, so that's the thing is that, like, this is a guy that we've never dated. We were always kind of floating around in, like, neighboring circles, but we were never super close. Okay. And he was one of the first people to comment on this post. Oh. Like, oh, this would be great. We'd love to catch up. And I was like, catch up.

Like, what do we have to talk about? It's like we didn't, you know. You know, some people who stay in the hometown that you're from. Yes, maybe need some outside influence every once in a while. Yeah, leave the city, is what she's saying. Let me tell you, I will not miss an opportunity to show off my glow up. Okay, I love that, good. So what did you and Jack do when you met up?

Well, this is the thing. So we were texting for a while until I got back and trying to make plans, and I was staying with my family. So I was like, why don't we just make it easy? You can come pick me up from my family's place and we'll go wherever you want to go. Oh, so this feels more like a job. date than a hangout if it's just you too yeah I guess so I think maybe I don't know if that was the intention but things kind of ended up taking a slight turn and it wasn't really anybody's fault

but he came to pick me up when I was fit I just finished dinner with my family and my family was like oh you know why don't you come in for a second which I kind of gave him the look of like you don't have to do this but he was very cool and came in and we all were just hanging it was really sweet Like, we were all hanging out for a while and, like, because, like, it's not like he knew your family in high school. You guys weren't even really friends. That's a high pressure situation. I mean, if that happened to me, I would absolutely not want to go inside.

There is no, I do not want to spend my precious free time during the holidays meeting some other person's family. Oh, I would. I love meeting families and moms. Yeah. But not people meeting mine. Yeah. But they do there. And parents always love me.

I know. It's so fun. You can charm parents. Okay, we get it, Brooke. You're amazing. everybody thinks that you're the best person in the world and everyone wants to a cup with you. Usually their kids don't like me, but they like me.

Oh, okay. Well, so what happened with Jack? Well, so we're all talking and we ended up like playing some games and everybody would have a good time. So the hangouts. Oh, this is full on like holiday family time. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I didn't mean for that to happen. It just kind of did.

Playing the piano, singing carols together. Yeah. He was into it, though. Yeah, he was and I will say this. My dad was a little tipsy, which around the holidays is not a surprise. That's everybody. Yeah, and he was kind of ribbon him a little bit.

Like, what are your intentions of my daughter? Oh, no. I know. I know. Let me go into the laundry room and then I'll show you. Is that not how your guys' family holidays go?

I've never had a date. Yeah. Never had to take my dad into the laundry room. Yeah. Just the P.E. teacher, I know. How did Jack handle the ribbing? He just kind of laughed it off.

And finally, I kind of pulled him aside. And I was like, hey, listen, we can get out of here whenever you need to. Like, we already were here a lot longer than I thought. And he was like, oh, I just got a text from him where my friends and they really need me. So I actually, I have to get going. Yeah. And he's like, but we'll catch up in a few days. And of course, in my head, I'm like, did he really get a text from his friend?

No, probably not. I think that maybe he didn't, I don't know, like maybe he thought you guys were just going out as friends and then your dad is assuming that you're a couple like it just it feels like a lot of weirdness yeah i agree and the way we left it was we'll make more plans we'll text and we'll figure it out and then just never heard back from him oh man a complete ghost it's not like he's stalling no no like i just he just went radio silent and so i don't know i don't know what happened are you crushing on him still like you still like him yeah i mean especially too like seeing how cool he was with hanging out with my family for

a little bit. That's impressive. I did have a weird thought, though, like, while he was bonding with your family, do you have any single siblings or single hot aunts that maybe, like, could have swooped in? No,

I'm the only girl. I have two brothers. Maybe that's an option for him, though. Yeah, I mean, there's a chance that someone could have, like, taken him from you right from under your nose. That is a messed up family dynamic. if that's the case. It's called the holidays, Brooke.

Things happen. But let's find out what really happened when we play a song, come back, call him, and try and get your second date update, all right? Thank you. All right, hold on. Second date update. One of the main rules of dating, and I think everybody knows this,

is if you really like someone, you do not introduce them to your family for at least three to four years. until you're 100% sure they won't be scared off. Wow, that's a long time. I would say probably even pop out a few kids with them before they meet the family just to be safe. Or you could end up like Simone, who was supposed to go out with an old high school friend named Jack

till her family invited him inside during the holidays and look what happened. I mean, he ran away. It hasn't been heard from since that night. They should have heard your advice first, yeah. Are we blaming the drunk dad? Is that we're blaming? No.

We don't know what I'm leaning. I think that the dad, even that's a joke, it's still very intimidating to know that. Totally. That's like your dad is even thinking. And it's such an old cliche joke. Like, order your intentions. It really is. I'm going to polish my gun.

Yeah. See, Simone, do you wish that you hadn't let him come inside that house that night? I mean, yeah. We know where to send it up. It's absolutely true. Easy answer. Oh, my God. I mean, or do you wish that your dad was funnier?

I mean, he thinks he's funny, which is way worse. Yeah. Typical death. Yeah. We're going to try and get you a second chance here. We're going to call Jack and find out which member of your family is the one to blame, or maybe it was something that was totally unrelated. I love how we think it has to be the family.

I mean, come on. Yeah. It's like the holiday edition of Clue. Oh, yeah. Is it the mom in the kitchen with the butcher knife? Or a colonel father. Let's get to the bottom of this. I'm going to dial his number right now.

Here we go. Hello? I know it's brushed the microphone. Hello. Hey, is this Jack? Yes, this is he. You are awake and ready. I like Jack.

I know. You're on the radio right now with Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Yeah, I seem alert because I answer business calls starting to get. This is kind of a business. call. It's about your business. Yeah. Your personal business. Yeah.

With an old friend of yours name, Simone. Wait, what is this about? What's going on? This is about a segment we do on our show called a second date update. And our listeners will reach out to us sometimes and ask us to help them reconnect with an

old fling or an old date that they went out with that they haven't heard from in a while. Okay, but I'm not old. I'm not an old person. Not about old people. You answered a phone number that you didn't recognize. That is old-person behavior. So, Jerry's still out on that.

It's so true. Oh, Jack, I bet you're regretting it right now. I was just, you know, I thought maybe something was wrong with my car's extended warranty. It's okay, man. He's got jokes, too. Look, we all make mistakes, and your mistake was answering this call, but we do want to get some answers because Simone told us that you guys hung out the other night. and you know I'm sorry to I'm sorry to interrupt you but I just now I don't think I want to do this okay is it because it wasn't supposed to be a date with Simone

is it supposed to just be more like of a friend hang out like no no no no no no I'm definitely interested in Simone well well I was interested was I mean look I know you're hesitant on talking about it and I understand that but can you put yourself in Simone's shoes here because she was really looking forward to spending time with you and reconnecting and I mean she had no intention of the night

going the way that it did where you were invited into her family's house. Yeah, that wasn't the plan bro. I mean, she thought you, I mean maybe she read it wrong. The only reason you guys stayed there was because she thought you were having a good time hanging out with her family and playing board games. Whoa, you guys know a lot about what happened.

We're like date detectives. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of weird. Well, we talked to, Simone. She told us about what happened that night, and we were wondering if something happened while you're in the house with her family that made you. No, no. It was just an uncomfortable situation.

Oh, she feels bad for that. Yeah, well, no, but just, no, not going in and talking to her family. Her family was great. Oh, nice. It's so great that maybe you hooked up with one of them. Back to that. What? Okay.

That was a theory that I had, and I'm glad that we can squash it right now. Yeah, we can definitely... Was the text that you got the emergency text? Was that real or was that fake? No. No, no, it was not real. I did not... She knew that, so don't feel bad admitting that.

Like, I mean, it was pretty obvious. What made you run from the house? so what made what made me need to leave is um i was having a nice chat with her mom and as as we're talking i look over and i see some christmas cards and i see one from simone with another guy and they're both like snuggled up together and it it was like a it looked like a you know couple had sent a card and it was Simone and this dude. Well, obviously, I mean, she didn't

mention anything about an ex-boyfriend, but obviously the card could have been sent out long before and then they broke up. Like, how early do you send Christmas cards? I know, but who brings a guy over to your house with your family if you're dating someone else to a point where you're sending Christmas cards together? Like, why

wouldn't you just ask Simone then? Why wouldn't you ask her? Because it just felt like in order to not just escalate things. I wanted to I just, you know... You just wanted to jump to conclusions. I see. If it is the X, you just took pictures recently. Yeah, but who cares?

It's broken up, probably. I know you don't want to have that awkward conversation with her, but I kind of do. Right now. Because she's on the other line listening and wants to be asked an awkward escalating question. What? Simone?

I'm, yeah. Hi. Hi. You've been listening this whole time? This is like, this is so awkward. I know. I'm sorry. I mean, it's kind of cool that you went to these lengths to try to get a hold of me, but I just, you know, I just, this is just really bizarre. So who's the guy? Come on. Tell me. Are you seeing somebody? Are you in a relationship? Okay. Hold on, Jack. You're asking like five different questions. Let's just, let's do one question at a time. Who's the guy? Oh, I was going to start. What kind of sweater are you wearing

right now. Because that might ease his tension a little bit. No, who's the guy? First of all, I can't believe you even saw that card. I'm so mad at my mom right now. Uh-oh. Why? Are you dating that guy?

Not technically. Oh. That means. Dude, what, your parents are wing manning and your side piece? No, so listen, okay, I'll be honest. that guy's is a guy that I dated for a while. We always did these stupid Christmas cards and we're not exclusive.

We are not together. We hook up every once in a while, but we're not together. Okay. But you promise you're not exclusive with him? Oh, 100%. You're not exclusive and you send Christmas cards out together. Yeah.

A little suss. It was more of a little bit. a joke because we would do it every year so we kind of just kept up with the tradition because we both didn't want our families hassling us at the holidays for being single so we were like we should just do a Christmas card anyway and uh that backfired so funny so i just i'm actually i mean Simone i really want to be with somebody that's emotionally available and not you know still even if it's not like you know you're not exclusive you're still seeing him i i just i'm just not comfortable being with somebody who's seeing other people. So I just, uh, well, that's the thing is

like, I had a great time hanging out with you and I really want to get to know you better. And I am not invested in this guy. Like I said, it's somebody that I dated and it was just, I didn't have anybody else I was interested in. And it was just, you know, I'll call him later today and tell him that we can't see each other anymore. Like, what? Really? Jack, is that something that you'd be into because if you're willing to see her again, then we'll pay for that date. Yeah. I have one question. Did you

hook up with him over the holidays? Oh, you don't want that answer? I mean, don't ask. I wouldn't know. Exactly. Be honest here, Simone. Did it happen and what sweater were you wearing at the time? It didn't happen over the holidays, but it

has happened recently. Post holidays. Okay. Jack, I need an answer from you. What do you think? One more date with Simone. We'll pay for it. I don't think so.

And here's why. It's a healthy decision. I feel like you could have told me that you were getting out of a relationship, and I just, I can't. We get it, Jack. It's the holidays. Everybody's sad. We understand. Thank you.

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Will you go out with me then? It's like a Hail Mary. Or, hey, what if I get a butt lift? Yeah. Or, hey, what if I put my dog down because you're allergic? Oh, God. Will you go out with me then? Oh, my God.

It's always no. You made the boyfriend sound like the best option. I mean, honestly. I just can't think of a time where that strategy's ever worked, and she definitely gave it a try. God, I just have this feeling that the guy on the cards, sweater boy, doesn't know that they're not exclusive. Yeah.

Does anyone else feel that? It's always like that. The other one is always like, what, wait, I thought you were my girlfriend. Yeah, we sent out Christmas cards for God's face. Yeah, how does it get more intimate than that? I don't know. But clearly, we're not going to be doing. doing any update with that couple anytime soon.

But remember, you can always listen to any one of our second dates on YouTube because we've got hundreds of them up right now. So a lot of people are actually choosing to listen to our show that way. And remember, you can always reach out to us if you have a date that you want us to get a hold of. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Did you know that 47% of adults say dating is much harder today than it was just 10 years ago? Oh, man. That's a lot.

It explains how Brooke was able to trick somebody to marrying her. Meanwhile, our own Alexis is still very single and very, very lonely. It's the odds that I'm going against Brooke. You say that she's more marriage material than me. What do you say? I'm just saying I'm shocked at what's happening in front of us. But one of our listeners has been off the market for about a decade now, and he's trying to wade back into the slime pool of love.

Oh, man. Slime pool. He doesn't know that it got slimier. Gross. And already, the first person that he went out with is not responding. Oh, great. So we're gonna hop into that slime pool with him and try to find out why when we do your second date update. Next.

Second date update. When you date online, some people connect over shared interests or hobbies. Other people connect because they're both freaking hot. But one of our listeners, Tom, Thomas says he connected with a woman online over their joint sadness. Oh. Oh. Something like that.

Okay. I'm going to meet my wife. Let's talk to Thomas. Thomas, did you meet her on tiermatch.com? Is that a thing? Or was it the Kleenex Club? Which one was it? Oh, that's cute.

Well, that could go wrong. I'm not getting paid by any of the services I use. I'm not going to give them any free advertising, but we did meet online. Okay. What's this sadness you speak of, my friend? Well, you know how you can put, like, Whether you're single or divorced, there's an option where you can put separated. And so I thought I would be honest since the divorce isn't finalized or anything.

So I listed my status as separated. Oh, okay. Why wouldn't you normally do that? Well, I would normally tell the truth. That's what I do. But I think sometimes people don't want to scare somebody off, you know? Yeah. I think it'd be a turn off.

Like, people are in the middle of something really messy. Like, you just don't want to even swipe on them. It's like on face. When they're single, and people sometimes put, it's complicated. Yeah, why would you do that? You're obviously involved with somebody. But some people think that's a turn on. They're like, ooh, a disaster?

Let me ruin that. Not the people you usually want to date, Jeffrey. Well, I don't know. He says that he matched with somebody that was separated too, it sounds like. Yes, her name's Cecilia. And she also had separated on her profile. Okay. Yeah, she had a very nice smile.

that she had big curly hair. I'm a sucker for a big, you know. Didn't think that was coming, but awesome. Okay, no, that's good. The hair is also a very good feature. I mean, it's a good start, though. I'm going to change a subject real quick. It's a good start that you guys are going through,

I mean, I don't know how similar it is, but a similar life experience. So you're coming in with understanding and you probably don't feel like you have to explain a lot, right? Sure. Well, I mean, that's kind of like prefaces into why I'm calling y'all. We went on a date, and this is my first, first date since the, you know, well, my

due to the ex-wife. Yeah. And she's not a couple guys like coffee or something super casual. And so we, you know, we got a bite to eat. Okay. Wait, what were you feeling? Like, slow down, because this is the first date out of your marriage? Let me guess. Hold on. I'm a psychic. You were nervous. No, he could have been feeling excited. Hold on. Let the psychic do his work. Let's see if Psychic Jose is worth the money. Tell us. Yeah, I went all out. You know, I got dressed the nines, like Jim Carrey and Dumbet Dumber, a tuxedo, you know.

Okay, that doesn't sound nervous to me. No, you're joking, right? No, of course, of course. Oh, yes, I knew it. I knew it. You never know. You've been out of the dating game for a minute. Maybe you just didn't read the room right anymore.

Well, I mean, I thought it was positive that, you know, I got a first date out of messaging someone over the internet. So, I mean, that was, you know, I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, you know, good start. Yeah. Well, how did it go when you showed up? Like, how was Celia? Yeah, what was the vibe?

You know, aside from the usual kind of laughs and jokes you crack, the thing that we definitely bonded over, I would say, like, 50% of the date was our situation that led us to being separated on, you know, both of us kind of talking about our personal life, you know. But that's good. That's good because normally if you're on a date with someone who's just single, they won't relate. And you wouldn't dare bring it up, you know, because you don't want to hear about it. But if you're both going through it, it's like, no, please, I need someone to talk to about this. I guess that is key. You both have it

in common so you can bond over it. Yeah. Is that how it went? Yeah. I mean, there definitely wasn't a pity party for it was like bonding, yeah. How many shots of tequila do you need in order to get through that conversation? It's only like, I don't know, maybe one, two margaritas

maybe. Okay, that's good. So, I mean, were you able to flirt too, though? Because if you're talking a lot about you know, your exes and things. I mean, we didn't, I mean, no one stayed the night at anybody's house or anything. thing like that. But like I said, I crack some folks, you know, I got some genuine laughs. So, you know, I count that out of flirting. Okay. Okay. Why do you want to call her back? I mean, maybe this was

just your practice date, right? Before you, you got a lot of, I'm guessing, time to make up for right now. Yeah, well, one, yeah, why aren't you sleeping with everybody around town? Why are you just sticking to one person? Why limit yourself? I'm just saying, like, why, why her? Like, it's your first date. So the first date, I thought, went well. So I'm figuring that, you know, I might as well, before I go fish in the sea as it is, I might as well make sure this one's off the hook. Got to cut the line. That was a lot of references. That was a lot of metaphors in that way.

I didn't do it. And it doesn't matter the size of your worm, by the way. Women love all baits. We didn't go to that. I'm just saying, bro. That's not true. Well, yeah, let's get back to the date. How did the night end?

You know, like I said, no, we stayed everybody's house. There was no making out or anything like that. A hug? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there was a hug. But one thing that I think is kind of a concern that I would say is she had mentioned that the reason of her separation was there was cheating involved and I could see how she did not want to put out to any kind of vulnerability, like, you know, to get herself for like, like, I'm trying to be a player, which I'm not, you know, like I'm not trying to be, my intention was to get in over and go on a second date. And did you guys make any, like, future plans? I always think that's a good sign on a date.

Yeah, well, we didn't nail. I mean, we did nail down. It was like, hey, let's go miniature golfing, you know, tomorrow. We didn't do anything like that. It was, you know, like a hug at the end of the night. And it was, I was like, make sure you get home safe. And then I'll see what you want to do. Okay.

So how was the hug? Was it like a quick hug? Or was it like a sensual long? She smelled your hair, kind of like. You don't have to answer that if you don't want to. I think you should smell people's hair on the first day ever. You can just, it was just a nice hug, right? Yeah, it was just, I think it was a nice hug.

a very standard end of the night. You didn't, like, rub your hands up and down her back. Let's get her. No more details needed. I think you're just going to play a song. We'll come back. We'll call Celia for you and try and get you a second date update, all right? Thank you.

All right, hold on, man. Second date update. Stepping back on the dating scene after going through a failed marriage. Wow. That just said like that. At least he's got this music on. I'm just saying things are probably different than the first time around. I hope this is not what you tell your friends

if they ever call you to say that their marriage is ending. I'm trying to paint the scene. The people are older. The drinks hit you harder. That's true. And the hugs are standard. Nothing more, nothing less. No one's smelling anybody's hair.

Or rubbing backs. Well, that's what happened with one of our listeners, Thomas, who's currently going through a separation himself. And so was his date, Celia. So naturally, they talked a lot of. lot about their situations, and they were very open and vulnerable with each other, which Thomas took as a good sign, but now Celia's not responding to him, which Thomas is taking as a bad sign.

That's a good way to do it. Dating hasn't changed in that sense. Some things never changed. But Thomas, how you feeling, man? You guys gave it quite the lead-up. Sorry, Jeff gets a little happy. I'm second-guess to myself now. Oh, no.

We can keep that music going the whole time. It helps. Do you know what we never asked you is, have you tried to get a hold of her? I reached out to her, yes, but I did not receive any communication back. And, I mean, I'm calling up you guys because I feel like it went well. So I'm trying to figure out what I do wrong. Just brace yourself here because you're new to dating. You may hear some things you don't want to hear that doesn't mean that you're not good at it, okay?

And as Brooke would say, there's a whole city of people to sleep with. And you should. That is actually exactly what I would condone. All right. So let's give Celia a call and we'll see if she answers and what she has to say. Let's do this. Here we go. Hello.

Is this Celia? Yeah. Sorry, I was really excited there. Hi, Celia. I wasn't sure if you're going to answer. Hey, we're broken Jeffrey in the morning from the radio. Hey. Cool.

Now she's not answering. Did you have a second to process? This is probably a lot, right, Celia? I don't... Who is this? Yeah, so we're a morning radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning, and we're hoping that you'll be a part of a segment with us here called a Second Date Update.

Oh, no, thank you. That's okay. No, no, no, no, Celia, it's not a bad thing. We're actually calling on behalf of one of our listeners who you went out on a date with. A very hot date sounded like. his name's Thomas Oh Yeah

Okay Oh that didn't sound Uh oh Yeah that didn't sound good Thomas I think is clueless Because that was not a good response about Thomas I mean Mike

We had a really nice dinner And I was hopeful But we kind of got us to Personal conversation About our situations Our separations Our marriages And that sort of thing

Yeah, he told us that, too. And it was a big red flag for me that kind of popped up. Wait, are you saying just you guys discussing the marital situations was a red flag or something specifically about the conversation? Yeah, it was more, it was more specific. It was like, I told him, like, basically my situation ended because of cheating. And I was the cheater. I was unfaithful. Oh, you had to.

Oh, no. Oh, interesting. So he didn't share a lot of your story at all. He just said that there was like, that's why your marriage ended. We just assumed that it was your ex. Okay. But, okay, that's fine. Well, it's not fine.

It is what it is. What was a red flag about that? Well, for me, the red flag was like, he acted really weird. Like, it was just normal and he was understanding and, like, trying to make excuses for me. and I'm thinking, this guy was kind of weak. What? What do you mean he was making excuses for you? Like, oh, well, I guess he wasn't paying you attention or, you know.

He wanted him to be mean to you instead? Or like, no, I just, not mean, not the first time. It's more like I just laid what I had out there on the table and his reaction was just a little too normal for me like I told him the real like listen I cheated and he was just like oh that's okay okay well maybe he cheated

in his relationship too I mean or he's just awkward and doesn't know what to say there because he doesn't want to insult his date he liked you what did you want to hear from him what would have been a good response in your mind I wanted him to be disgusted by it because I think is really horrible

what I did yeah that was my reaction like inside I'm sure he felt that way, but he didn't want to say to you on a first date if you discussed me. Plus, relationships are like really complicated and, you know, sometimes it's not... Brooke, she doesn't want to hear excuses from you. I'm just saying, like, maybe he's just being an understanding person and trying to be empathetic to what you were going through. Sounds like maybe you should go out with him. You guys are both understanding.

Yeah, Brooke totally understand. She encourages it. If you're playing the statistics, chances are she already has, so... I'm not cheated. All I'm saying is, like, this guy, like, he doesn't attack you for being really vulnerable and really honest because that's probably a hard thing to share with people, I would imagine. You're not listening to me. I deserved it.

Like, he didn't even question anything. Okay. I see what you're saying. Like, he's siding with the person who cheated rather than siding with the person who got cheated off. Yeah. Not even questioning it. Okay. Got you.

Maybe he could yell at you now. Yeah, like, because this would be a great chance for him to lay into you because he's actually on the other line listening. No, actually, I think I've had enough. No, no, no. No, no. You don't understand. This is a good part. He's already there listening right now and wants to talk to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.

So let me get this straight. You wanted me to be like Dr. Phil or Steve Harvey or something. It just laced into you. How does that make sense on a first date? First of all, I didn't even know you were on the line. And secondly, I ghosted you for a reason, and I really don't even want to talk to you. Oh, no. I hear sparks flying.

Is this the vibe you got, Thomas, when you guys were out? Nothing like this. This is like Medusa head. I don't know who this one is. I'm just being honest with you. I feel like you could have at least questioned why I did it. Like, I need someone to hold me accountable for behavior. All right.

You want some criticism? All right, yeah. You got my nails done. Don't my nails look good? Yeah, your nails. Those don't look good. You got a bad after the nails. No, he's talking about her nails.

No. Those cost a lot. Don't sell those. You didn't go there, did you? Like, my nails looked amazing. Okay. I think he's just trying to give you what you want there, Celia. He's not reading what she wants very well, though.

I mean, I will give her that. I'm not sure if I'm reading exactly what she wants either. Yeah. It sounds like you want to be punished. Bro, next time bring an iron fist to the date and put the hammer down. This is why he should have practiced dating more. He shouldn't have called the first person back. I'm telling you.

You got to try a lot of people out until you find your right now. But he could sleep around with other people and cheat on Celia and then we could send them out on a second date. No. I don't think that's what she wants either. I mean, I could ask Celia. Would you be interested in that? Would you like to go out one more time? I'm good with him.

I thought I made that clear. Yeah, you did. You did. You're very clear. You know, that's just my job to ask. Yeah. Okay. I don't know if Thomas is upset about that, though.

Yeah, I'm upset about how this went, especially considering she's out of her mind. Oh, okay. Now you're talking the way that she likes. Yeah. Well, I really appreciate you guys having me on, but if I learned anything from this, it's don't date anyone who says separated in a profile. Oh, wait. Just get to the singles or the divorcees, I guess. Oh, that's what you learned.

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Yeah, I agree. Because even if you're trying to be understanding and see the other person's perspective, give them the benefit of the doubt, that's seen as a weakness. Yeah. And they don't like you for it. And that's why this ended with no date at the end. Anybody out there who's single, including myself, let's just all give up. Oh, you know. See, that's a winning attitude.

Yeah, thank you, Jeff. I learned. Okay. Oh, man, that's so sad. It's okay. It's okay to die alone. No, it's not. You will find your love.

You don't have to base it off this lady. This lady was a little out there. And I think what it does say is that even if you were the cheater, there are people who will forgive you. Yeah. That guy was really nice. It was too forgiving and that was the problem. See, you wouldn't date him either. No, I wouldn't, problem.

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