Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Second Date Update Classics: Sweet Sixteen Dates+ Be Excellent & Be Thirsty

Episode Date: January 31, 2026

Part 1 There’s a brand new food item that you should definitely AVOID ordering on a first date unless you want to end up like one of our listeners. We’ll hear what it was and try to help him recover in your Second Date Update. Part 2 One of our listeners had not one but TWO opportunities to be a “Knight In Shining Armor” for his date… so why is she ignoring him after his heroism? Time to find out!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Maybe it's a workout. Maybe it's chores. Maybe you just need a nap. Yep. Hey, it's Brick and Jeffrey. And we love that you're here. We appreciate it so much. We will have a brand new episode this coming Monday, but first comments.

Christine Nicole said first time ever commenting because I have finally listened to every single second date update since the very beginning. I'm a career HNW nanny of 17 years. And while absolutely loving my job, y'all's podcast, give me a little extra pep in my step, especially for the 4.30 a.m. morning. Yikes. That is an early morning. You got 17-year-olds now that you're taking care of? I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I was like, wait.

I reread it. I was like, did I say that? I'm sorry. She's just been doing it for 17 years. Yeah, yeah, I got that now. It blows my mind how many people, like, no more second dates than we do. Yeah. I don't remember more than maybe five.

You've listened to sense before I worked here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really, truly. Thank you so much for your dedication and your insanity. Yeah.

I hope the kids are good today. Yeah. Let's get your back-to-back classics started right now. You've probably heard the saying, never order spaghetti and meatballs on the first date unless you're 100% sure you're going to lady in the tramp it. It's a good exception. I've actually tried that with a chicken nugget once.

Really? That's very small. It did not work out as sexy as I thought it would in my head. But anyway, look out because there's a brand new food item. You should absolutely avoid ordering on any first date or you're probably going to instantly turn them off. Oh, no. Unfortunately, one of our listeners did it.

You're going to hear what that was in your second date update right after this. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update. There's a new trend that's happening right now where people online are posting dating wrapped videos. Have you guys seen that? Like your Spotify wrapped, but like, wait, how many matches and stuff you got? Yeah, like an end of the year recap of their dating life from the past 365 days. I feel like that could go really wrong.

No, but it's like who you swipe on, what you don't, like who you, you know. Yeah, it's just, it's just. Like the type of person? Yeah. Or like the total amount of dates that you tried for the past year. And you're patting yourself on the back for getting now. Okay. It's not about the failure.

And today's caller Kelly mentioned in her email that she's dated around a lot over the past year. So our producer asked if she could give us a dating rap for herself. All right. So we're going to hear that in a second. First, Kelly, welcome to the show. Hi. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Thanks for being on with us. We want to hear about what's your dating rap briefly for us. if you can. Every time you say rap, I want her to like break down. Yeah, we don't need the hip-hop version. The guy. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Jose.

That's what I wanted. Just a... I can give you a beat if you needed. It would make the rap's way more cooler. Just a quick breakdown. What was your dating life like last year? Yeah, that's funny. I wish I could wrap my wraps, but it was 16 first dates total.

Okay. Mostly Americans. I had two Australians. One Irish guy One guy who I Don't know what his accent was But I think he may have been homeless also Or is that your version?

Homeless accent You just pick up accents from him No judgment So that's good It sounds like you're keeping your options open Was there anything more What did you think about the 16 guys that you were with? That sounds really weird

Don't say it like that You're so judging You know what I meant Of the 16 guys you met separately during the year. How did they go? Yeah, you know, like out of the 16th, 6 made it to a second date.

Out of those six, only three made it to a third date or more. All right. Yeah, now, all the guys, two flat out rejected me right after the date. Eight were like mutual ghostings. Three I rejected

and told them it just wasn't going to work. And one blocked me, like immediately after the date. date, but I was, he was a little suss, I think he might have been married. Wait. Oh. Oh, God. Yeah, that makes sense. Nothing you did wrong there. Yeah. Other than go out with him, I suppose.

Alexis, looking back at her 16 first dates, how would you grade her overall experience? It's not looking good, but 1-16 for being blocked. Like, that's not bad, right? 116. Yeah. And the Silver Lerner. And it wasn't for something she did. Exactly. I like that angle.

That's a good aspect. The outlook, I mean. Yeah, and out of the 16, I only had to pay half on like one of them. And I'm really old-fashioned and I prefer the guy to pay. That's just how my mom and dad taught me. You're not old-fashioned. You're cheap. Let's be honest. I mean, I get it.

You could be both. Yeah. No, it's just how it was. And I cried over two guys last year and ended up with zero. Seriously. Well, Jose and I do make a lot of women cry when they listen to this show. Oh, yeah, we do. So, Kelly, none of the 16 guys worked out.

But now apparently you say there's a new guy, and that's why you reached out to us. Yeah, there's a new guy. I was hopeful. I don't know yet. His name's Steve. It was like an online match. And it was just a casual date. It was really like less than an hour, like a 40 minutes.

Oh, so you went out with them already. Yeah, we just got Cuban sandwiches from this little sandwich shop and just went to the park. And he was eight and talked. And we were by this playground with kids running around. Why is that important? Is that significant in some way? The playground? She's like, that's my kid.

No. It's a lot of information coming at us. I mean, there's sandwiches, there's a park, there's a playground, there's children. Does that sound like a good date? First, like, overall, Alexis? No kids around, no. No. But the sandwich is,

okay. Sandwich is okay. And honestly, the playground was empty. I'd play on it, but it's the kids that are there. That would be a fun date playing on the playground. Okay. That would be a fun date. That would be.

No, it was really just kind of a lunch date, really, because, like, the sandwiches were really messy. And at one point, he was like, you got something on your face. And I was like, oh, where? And he was like, you pointed to, like, my entire lower half. And he was, like, everywhere under your nose. But, oh, my God. That means he's paying attention.

You know, he's looking at you? You have, like, a mustard beard? Honestly, I'm not even joking. When I met my husband, I didn't realize I carried so much food on my face until I met that. man, and I was like, he always has something to point out. He was like, no one else before him ever said anything. It's amazing how the women on this

show can spin anything into a positive for another woman. I mean, you heard the odds, Jeff. I don't think that's bad. I mean, how'd you guys end it? After we ate, we were just kind of like, oh, if we had a frisbee, we'd throw it, but we just kind of, like, picked up a stick and was kind of

playing within. Then, just throwing a stick. Go get it. Go get it. You played fetch with your date? I mean, I got a no, but it got a little awkward. You know, I was really hoping he'd say, like, you know what, let's just go grab a drink and proceed to, like, a nighttime thing. And he's so cute that I'm sure he gets a lot of attention from women on the app. Well, he doesn't sound very good at a date.

I mean, he didn't even bring a Frisbee or anything. He didn't even eat at a sandwich place. He went to a park. Yeah. Why is the man in trouble for paying for the sandwich? She's the one that he got sloppily on the date. I'm just saying that I don't think he's getting hit on as much as she. thinks because he is not as experienced as he should be.

Okay. Which is a good side. I'm sure it's the man's fault somehow, but let's prove it when we come back. We're going to call Steve for you and try and get you your second date update right after this. If your name is Steve and you better pick up the way. All right. Hold on.

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update. I feel like in the first part, we definitely miss something. What did we miss? And by we, I mean Brooke. Okay. Why did I know that we were going there? Brooke was out of it that even though the guy is the one not calling Kelly back.

Yes. And Kelly said herself, he's very good looking and must get a lot of attention on the dating apps. And Kelly's the one that had sandwich pieces all over her face. Brooke heard all of that and says, nope, the guy is a bad date planner. I bet no women want to go out with him. No, no, I didn't say no women. I just said I don't think that he's as wanted as she thinks. I'm trying to hype her up, okay?

She has something to offer on this table, and he is going to, maybe, maybe he was too intimidated by how awesome she is. You know, this sandwich all over her face was too intimidating. Listen, I've gotten food on my face. It shouldn't stop anything. Okay. You know? Stop the kids.

Yeah, just eat politely once on one of your dates. Try that. But look, the whole thing is Kelly really liked the guy that she met up with Steve. They did a casual date in the park with Cuban sandwiches. They tossed a stick back and forth. It was a great time. The stick was a little strange. Yeah.

I mean, they weren't sure what else to do. It was short, though. And so now afterwards, she's hoping to get one more shot with him because he's been kind of ghosty. Yeah, yeah. Have you heard from him at all, Kelly? I haven't. And now I'm nervous because I was really sloppy. Maybe I grossed him out.

I don't know. So it's like drunk or just the sloppy is a food all over you? The passion that you had going into that sandwich is what it is. It was really good. Brooke is like understanding him really. If you could do that to a sandwich, just imagine what else you could do. That is right, Jeffrey. We are here to hype her up.

It's a lot of love a sandwich. Yeah, it's disgusting. All right. I love you, Brooke. I hope that's not what he says, but here we go. We'll dial his number. We'll see what he has to say. Let's do it.

Hey, we're looking for Steve. Speaking. Hey, Steve. I said we because you're on the radio right now with Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Hey, Steve. How are you doing, man? Wait, you're from the radio? Mm-hmm.

And podcast. Podcast, too. Yeah, yeah, we got a good podcast. We are multifaceted here. Yeah, we're in the future with our entertainment. But we're focused on you right now because one of our listeners went on a date with you the other day and really had a good time. Yeah. He wants to see you again, but that hasn't quite happened yet.

And she's not sure why. Her name's Kelly. Oh, man. Oh, man. Okay. He meant, oh, man, yes. Yeah. That still doesn't sound good.

The fact that you're not reaching out for another date is kind of hinting that you're not interested, but we're not sure if that's true or not. We want to know what you think about Kelly. She's very nice. Like, Kelly's cool. But, you know, I just don't think it's going to work out. Okay. Is there a reason? I mean, you went into it thinking that it could work out, right?

Yeah, I mean definitely. But, you know, like, we got some food and then we went to the park. Yeah, she said that. It just started to get a little weird, but like, you know, I don't like want to blow up her spot. Like, I don't even know you guys. See, we didn't hear anything like weird. She said she had like some food or something on her face, but nothing stood out to be weird. But maybe that's weird to him, you know, like maybe it's weird to him to have a female have food all over their face.

No, no. Actually, I thought that was kind of cute. See? I told you guys. Not a turnoff. We're going to lick it off. Okay. What was the issue?

You said it was weird. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we were sitting on the bench, we're chilling. And there's like a playground, you know, that's in this park that we're in. Oh, yeah. She randomly mentioned that to us, too. Yeah.

Yeah. And she, so there's like a bunch of kids playing. And all of a sudden she points and she's like, oh, my God, look, imagine if we had that many kids. And those were all our kids running around. And there were like, I don't know, like eight, ten kids playing on the playground. Oh my God. So she was describing a nightmare, right? Like, that's how she meant.

Like, imagine how chaotic our life would be. She sounded thrilled. Oh, thrilled. Okay. So that's a red flag to you? Well, that's a lot. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, I've known you for like 20 minutes and now we're having eight kids together.

Yeah. Okay. In her defense, I will say it sounds like maybe she was just trying to fill the void. Like maybe there was like an odd Because she said like it kind of died at the end Your guys' date. Maybe she was just trying to like I say dumb things. Could you understand that point of view maybe Steve? I mean I guess I could but she started getting like really into it.

Oh. She was like naming them. Oh, boy. There was like another one weird thing where she wasn't feeling one of the kids and she was like he's not playing nice. We would put him up for an option. Okay, she's obviously kidding. Well, that should be a positive for you because you don't want that many kids.

He would only have seven. There you go. You're getting closer to your goal. She didn't say she was a good mother, Avain. That's a good mother. Okay. But it sounds like it was all, that conversation kind of scared you was too much for you. Joking or not.

Yeah, I mean, you're not like, yeah. But if she was joking, maybe you could work it out. Yeah. And there's a perfect person to find out whether or not it was a joke. That's Kelly who's on the other line right now waiting to talk to you. Wait, Steve. Kelly's here? Yeah, Kelly and her seven children.

Say hi. Oh, did she give another one up for adoption? Are we down to six now? Yeah, ever since you heard that. Kelly, you there? Yeah, Steve, it's Kelly. I am, I'm like fuming. I'm so offended.

Yes, because, and you know what, this is why, now I realize, why I had 16 unsuccessful dates last year, it's because they were all like you, Steve, like emotionally and intellectually funded. Why are you upset? Why are you so mad? Yeah. Because my.

God, Brooke, you were totally right. Steve, you stock at planning a date. Oh, God, I'm just trying to hype you up, not tear him down. Oh, no, look what happened. Listen, if you even have, like, an ounce of a sense of humor, like, you would get that I was obviously joking, and I was, for you to actually think that I was serious, like, oh, my God, like, you must be a narcissist. That you would think I would meet you for 40 minutes and suddenly want to have your babies.

All right, well, all right. I think we're going down a path. We don't need to go down any far. You weren't happy with Steve's response there. Steve, are you there? Yeah, yeah. I'm still here, barely, but I'm still here. Would you like to respond to any of the allegations just hurled against you?

I thought you guys were all going to have a big laugh about how it was a miscommunication. Yeah, he was going to go, oh, you were kidding. Steve, bottom line, you planned a boring date, and now I'm paying a price for it. Okay. That's not. Steve, do you see your date as being boring? Next time, I'm not going to go for just the looks. Like, I was trying to make you're stupid.

I ignored the fact that you were. I dropped too much. You created. I know. What kind of radio show is this? You just trash dudes? It depends on how many drinks Brooke is here for the day. I was just trying to make her feel better about you not calling her.

And now, I don't know. I think that this was already happening and I didn't realize it. You know, you don't have to tear it. somebody else down just to try to make somebody else feel back. That's a good life lesson, Steve. I agree with you, all right? I wasn't trying to tear you down. I don't know.

I didn't know she'd be so mad. I didn't think you said anything wrong, Steve. Those are thoughts that should have happened before you said the terrible thing. Me either. I'm just being honest. Okay. Oh, wow. Let's everybody be honest with everybody. This is a good chance to have

Steve admit that maybe he didn't plan the best first date. Yeah, he didn't. Okay. No, we know. Okay, and maybe Kelly didn't make the best conversation trying to invent an entire family of eight, 20 minutes into the conversation. Oh, that Kelly, own that. Well, I'm sorry that I was so bored that I had to use my freaking imagination. Okay, that was an apology.

I don't think it was. I could have imagined the kids in like a sweatshop or something instead. Oh, what? Don't put more thoughts out there. That wouldn't have been a red flag. Brooke's trying to get her business plan. So, Steve, if you're hearing what I'm hearing, then you probably see the same thing as me,

which is potential for true love. And that's why we would be delighted to send you out on another date that we would pay for. I don't know if they're on the same page. Messy sandwiches and all put it on our tab. That's true. Adoption fees, Brooke is going to cover that one. Yep, sure.

What do you say? No, no, I'm not going out. out with her. I don't know what she's talking about. She went on 16 failed dates. Like what? Like this woman is a little out there for me. Only one blocked her, though. Only one. It's about to be

two. Okay. I'm sorry, Kelly. Say goodbye to Steve forever. All right, Kelly. Someone will get your humor someday. Yeah. No, it's okay, Brooke. You know, you're absolutely right. This guy knows nothing about planning and he should

absolutely own this. You two girls. Ruined hope for all women, bro. Congratulations. Not what I meant. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze.

Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came on. You're supposed to be safe.

That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays unvulnerable and trusting people. You're a creditor, Michael Levin Good.

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you get your podcasts. That call was a great example of the power that Brooke's words have with our listeners. I don't know what went so wrong. I really don't. I don't know how I went from trying to hype somebody up. Like, I don't know. You weren't hyping anybody up, though. You were pushing the guy down to hype her up. Because play it out. At the end of the first part, Brooke could have said, okay you guys did like a sweet little date in a park out in nature he got you a meal you guys spent time talking and getting to know each other she was feeling self-conscious because she's like this is a really hot guy and he's probably got tons of girls and I'm like nah the guy doesn't even bring a frisbee to a date he doesn't know what he's doing

yeah you call the guy boring because he didn't book a midnight laser light show with free drugs or whatever types of dates that you're into and look what happened she's immediately hopped on to brook's opinion blew up into a 10 Highrate against every man who's ever let her down ever. It's a good reminder that we, and when I say we, I mean you again, Brooke. That we need to stay open-minded. If it's not your ideal cup of tea, first date idea, doesn't mean other people can enjoy it. I just was trying to make her feel better, Jeff.

How many times do I have to tell you that? Don't. It's not worth it. Let other people feel sad sometimes. I've got to a fast food burger place with a Bogo coupon on a first date and still gone out with a guy again. I don't care. Everybody lower your standards as low as Brooks are, and your dating life couldn't possibly be bad.

We're just saying. We're just saying we can try and help you with your date life. Email the show if you ever need help. We'll call that person who isn't calling you back. Ladies, I have a question. Why aren't there more of you getting locked up in magical towers and getting tied up to train tracks and getting slowly lowered into vats of boiling lava.

Yeah, what the heck? Frankly, you're not giving men enough opportunities to step up and become heroes for you. My life's a lie. Alexis, why aren't you more helpless? I know. I'll take all my friends off by my friends right now. Seriously.

You do need longer hair, by the way. We like Alexis in a tower. Making us look bad. But recently, one of our listeners had not one, but two opportunities to be a night and shining armor right in front of his date. and he could not believe his luck. So why is she completely ignoring him after his impressive display of heroism?

She's already saved. She doesn't need him anymore. Well, put yourself into danger again, girl. What are you waiting for? We're going to try to find out what happened in your second date update right after this. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update. We got an email from one of our listeners who says he's been living his life by a dating philosophy.

that's been circulating on the internet now for about two decades. Two decades. It's called the Tao of Steve. That is. T-A-O of Steve. And I've not heard anything about this, but according to him, it involves three basic rules that men must live by. Okay.

Number one, be desireless. Number two. Nobody wants you? Yeah, I'm good at that one. I'm not sure. I guess we'll find out. Number two is be excellent. And number three, be.

gone. And if you can live by all three of those rules, as a man, you will become irresistible to any woman on earth. Even married women, Brooks, so look out. Maybe get your earplugs ready before we talk to him.

I love those gone boys. Yeah, we're going to learn more in a second. First, let's say hello to Bobby, who needs our spiritual guidance today. Bobby, welcome to the show. Hey, guys, how you doing? I wanted you to be Steve, the originator of all of this, but apparently you're Bobby. That works too.

Well, we can't be everything I guess all the time. I'm doing my best here. I'm doing my best. Isn't Colleen our show breaking rules one and three already? I think so. Yeah, you guys are on to me. But it's a desperate situation. I need you.

That's rule number four. Be desperate. Jefford just didn't get to it. Yeah. So tell us who's this woman that's making you go against everything you believe in. Her name is Tori. She's super hot and she's super nice. And we just had an amazing date.

And, like, I don't know. Normally a woman would respond to all these philosophical things I've done, but it's completely backfiring on me now. Oh, no. Because if you're excited about someone, and it's, like, the first time you've ever felt this way, like, lean into it. Like, life's too short to be desireless. And you can tell sometimes if someone's, like, purposely waiting to, like, apply to do it.

Yeah, next thing you know, you end up on this show and you hit your rock bottom. So, Bobby, tell us how, how did you get to the bottom? How did you get to this point? Like, tell us about your date with Tori. How did you know her? Is it an online thing? No, no. I met her at a bar.

I just kind of bumped into her and you have to be desireful in the beginning and then you be desireless. Okay. That's how it works. Okay. Makes sense. I'm in the phase between desireless and be excellent and we're waiting outside the restaurant because it's like a popular place, you know.

Okay. So I had my opportunity. to be excellent, just come upon me. It was awesome. What are you excellent at, friend? Oh, I'm excited what this opportunity was. Yeah. What happened?

So, this foreign family, I'm not sure where they were from. I didn't speak whatever language they spoke. Like, vaguely, I can tell they're looking for a specific museum, like a really famous museum. Oh, okay. So they're, like, tourists in the area, and they need some help. Yeah, exactly. Okay. They weren't understanding my directions.

So I was just, like, with my fingers, I was like, I will walk you. there, you know, like little like walking man fingers. Interesting. Most people would pull out Google Translate on their phone. Or pull it up on their phone on Google Maps and get it to them. But okay. Yeah, but Google Maps isn't excellent. I want to be excellent.

You're being kind. So you're going to leave your date standing in front of the restaurant while you walk this family? Take her with you. Absolutely not. I took her with me. Okay. So now you're demonstrating that you're a guy who's willing to help strangers.

You know your way around the neighborhood. generally. A lot of excellent qualities. You know what a museum is? Yes. Exactly. So do you go straight to the bedroom from the museum? Did you have to do more? Well, you know, if you have the chance to be excellent twice, let's do it twice. And luckily,

for your boy here, he was excellent twice in one night. What? At the museum, someone in the directions back to the restaurant, coincidentally. What did you do the second time? So second time, we're having dinner. Dinner's like pretty much finishing up. And you could just tell, like, someone dined and dashed, someone hadn't paid their bill.

Oh. Yeah, like the waiters were all huddling together and stuff. And, like, it was an expensive bill. It was a big deal. Yeah. And I took care of the bill and I tipped the waiter just kind of nonchalant. Oh, wow. That's super nice, bro.

I thought you're going to go to hero mode and tackle the dine and dasher, but you just took care of it. I mean, I think tackling the dine and dasher is cool, but it's even cooler. to be nonchalant. I see. Of course. How do you be nonchalant after just going over and paying someone else's bill? Like, what do you say to Tori when you come back to the table? Well, the thing is you say nothing and you wait for her to question you, what was that?

And then you reveal. Wow. Did she fall into that ploy? A hundred percent. She was like, what was that? I was like, I just took care of it. A little shoulder shrug. No biggie.

No big. Meanwhile, you're checking your bake statement to make sure it doesn't bounce. These things. These are investments. Okay. You are investing, though, because you know she's going to think about little things like that. Honestly, it's a gentleman thing to do. Absolutely.

So we're all impressed. Did it work on Tori? If you had asked me in the moment, I was like, couldn't be better. Oh, yeah. I walked her home, we hugged, I gave her a peck on the cheek, said we'd talk. And then it turns out she gowned me. Oh, no. Yeah, the goner got gone.

He never hit me up. How long did you wait before you contacted her after the date? Well, I mean, like, according to the rules I live by, I'm trying to be gone. So I was trying to be gone for a while. Yeah. That's your answer right there. Yeah. You think she thought she got ghosted.

I mean, yeah, you don't hear from someone after a first date. You're not. Yeah, that's a sign. So maybe your rules are playing against you if you're sticking to them. Yeah, but like after like four or five days, I just couldn't take it anymore. And I just started texting her. And I was absolutely. desirable,

not excellent, and I was present. Oh, man. She broke you. I feel you. Steve would be so disappointed in your behavior. When I tell myself,

I'm going to eat healthy and then what do you know, a whole box of Oreos ends up in my mouth, you know? And now you're reaching out to us, which I think breaks your first rule of, like, be desireless, because now you're asking a radio show

to show how much you want to hang out. Yeah, I mean, all the rules are out the window at this point. I want Tori so bad. I want Tori so bad. Well, we're throwing every rule that we know out the window when we come back and call Tori for you and try to get her to agree to abide by the Tao of Bobby and give you one more chance with your second date update right after this. Hold on. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update.

You know you're in a good place when you find yourself abandoning your entire belief system to score a date with a woman. I've abandoned my belief six times since I got to work today. Oh, wow. And it feels great. I don't know if we could call it dating strategy, your belief system. That seems a little dramatic. Well, that's what Bobby says. He told us he used to live by a dating philosophy called the Tao of Steve, which if he didn't hear,

it's basically three rules about demonstrating your value while also not coming across as desperate or too available. Okay. So he stuck to those very strictly until he met Tori. Yeah. And said, screw it. Tori's way too hot. I need to know why she's not calling me back right now. I mean, he lasted four days until he started incessantly texting her.

Exactly. Yeah, with no response. Now, Bobby, I'm assuming you don't want us to tell Tori about your mantra and the rules that you follow, unless you already told her, did you? No, no, no, I didn't tell her my philosophy. Don't tell her my philosophy. Well, that's part of it. You don't say it?

But also, don't you assume most singles out there try to do the same general thing, play hard to get, not be too available. It's pretty common. Be excellent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but like, this is. my secret sauce. You can't tell

him the secret sauce. I think it's admirable that is a plan because mine is just drink a lot and hope for the best. So Bobby, you're in a better spot than a lot of people. And we've all seen you after you drink a lot. It's not excellent. Peak sexuality is what I call. Hopefully she's a cry or two. Yeah, we'll see.

That's exactly right, Jose. Let's call Tori. We'll see what she has to say why she's not calling you back. Hopefully she picks up and I'm dialing her number right now. Here we go. Oh, she may she don't even pick up for us. How odd is she? Hello? Hey, we're looking to speak with Tori. Mm.

Can I ask who's calling? Yes, you can. We're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Hey, Tori. Hey, the whole show's here. I'm sorry, what's going on? Mm.

We're doing a segment on our show called the Second Date Update, where we're trying to help out one of our listeners get in touch with you after you already went on one day with him. Is this like some internet thing or? No, no. It's much more disgraceful. It's a radio thing. Yeah, but it's not.

So a podcast. Focus on the radio part. That's the cool bit of this because we're just trying to get some answers for Bobby about why you're not hanging out again or even talking to him at all. I mean, it was a date. Okay. I mean, you could see, it's probably pretty obvious that it's driving him nuts not knowing why you're not calling. Yeah. I mean, it kind of just felt like I was on a date with someone who was giving attention to everyone and everything else except me.

Oh, wait a minute Why do you say that? Even when we first got to the restaurant We were waiting and he offered to show some people That were lost away to the museum That's nice Yeah, but I was starving and we lost our reservation So we had to wait another 30 minutes

No, because you were gone Oh, I can see that happening actually And I'm sorry, not only that If she's in heels Like it's not comfortable to walk people to the... Okay So you don't value helping people you value material things like food and shoes.

Don't frame it like that. Don't come at her like that. Oh, I'm trying to understand where your thought process is. I mean, that was just one part of the date. Like, even when we were inside, he would compliment the weight staff, but... How dare he? He never once complimented me. Oh, interesting.

Oh. That's important. Yeah. You're like the focus of the whole night. Or at least I told the weight staff to compliment you for him if he wasn't going to do it directly. You look so beautiful. Could you also relay that to her? I can't believe he didn't compliment you because, I mean, he gushed about you to us about how hot and lovely and nice you were.

He never said anything like that to you? No, I mean, even when I was in the middle of a story, I was telling him about my vacation to Europe and he got up in the middle of it and went and picked up a napkin. Somebody else dropped at another table. Whoa. Oh. He's almost like it's going to sound funny. He's almost like too nice of a guy. He thinks she cares about things that she does.

Like, guys think girls are impressed by those things, not just listening. listening to them. Yeah. And like even at the end, he held the door open for someone else and then went out behind them, not holding the door for me. And didn't hold the door for you. What the heck? Okay. Do you think he's nice to everyone but you? Here's the thing. Obviously, he's a kind person. Do you think that he was just nervous? And maybe that's why those things didn't happen for you? He didn't seem nervous and he was super nice, polite, talkative with everyone else. Okay. Okay. But a lot of times guys don't want. want to like seem too desperate in front of a girl and won't say the thing that they're feeling

because it'll make them seem you know beta which which is a thing that's so funny it's a complex that guys have and that's why they slam doors in their face is that what you're saying is that but maybe he was just in his own head too much and we should probably ask him about it because Bobby is waiting on the other line wanting to compliment you profusely I'm sorry what Yeah, he's been listening to this call. Bobby, you're there? Hey. Coming in, hi.

A little smooth. A little sheepish there, Bobby. Anything you want to say to her? Tori, you didn't like all those excellent things I did? Oh. That is not the response, my man. I set you up there. I mean, what was the point of me being there if you weren't going to give any attention

or participate in the date at all? I mean, you didn't really give me a lot of it. attention after the date, you know? I gave you a lot of text and calls and stuff. Why would I do that? Give attention to someone who clearly didn't have the time of day for me. No. That's really, that's, sorry, that's not it.

Okay, so basically... Bobby, wait, hold on. Are you sure you want to do this? Yeah. Wouldn't it be easier to just, like, apologize? And compliment her? Yeah, but like, you guys want me to lie there. I don't want to lie there.

I got to be honest. We said compliment her. That's a lie. Go for it then. But if you want to clear your chest, man, then go for it. Bobby, what do you have to tell me? Can you hurry up? I've got things to do.

Okay, okay. So, like, I live by these philosophical rules, all of which you don't really need to know about. But basically, like, I was trying to demonstrate value and be excellent for you to other people. you know, maybe it came off as like I didn't care about you, but I was like trying to do these things to show you what I'm capable of, like my potential and stuff. I can pick up a napkin so fast. Yes.

Yeah, exactly. I can pick up a napkin so fast. I don't even know what you're talking about right now. Like, all you have to do is ask me questions and listen and compliment. That is a lot to ask for, Tori. Yeah. That is a whole new philosophy. The thing is complimenting kind of goes against the philosophy.

that he believes in. No, that would be part of being excellent. No, it'd be breaking desireless. Yeah, but you do that. He said after the first day. See, this is the whole thing with rules. Like, they get so complicated.

Why don't you just be a normal human and have a good conversation? Yeah, let's get rid of laws, too. What? Jeff, that doesn't... No structure. I think I know what she's talking about. I think she just doesn't like people

who do good things. Oh, my God. No. No. Here's the question. Tori, if he would have done those things for the other people and also listened

and complimented you and asked you questions. Wow. How would you have felt? I mean, it would have been better, but I'm not sure why he needed to focus on everything else except our date. Yeah. I can't do all those things.

I was already tired doing the other stuff. It's a lot, man. So it's one or the other for you, Bobby. You're either fully thinking, strategizing, or you're doing nothing. He's not a multitasker. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry for being excellent.

Okay. That's not the apology that she was open for. He really should have stepped in before that. But the one thing that he is focused on right now, Tori, his only focus is getting another date with you. That is why he reached out to a radio show to get a hold of you and arrange a second meetup. And we would pay for it if you're willing to give him a second chance.

I think I'm good. I don't want to be with someone who's just. likes to grandstand. But remember, Bobby's not good. He's excellent. So you could level up. I mean, now he knows, right? Like, now the expectations of what you're looking for out there, like, you might as well give him a chance to make that happen, don't you think? Yeah, I'm listening now. Look, you're hot and I'll pick up your napkin and like, you want me to ask you questions. What are you doing next Friday? Let's get dinner. That was actually the smoothest thing he's ever done. Tori. What do you think? I'm going to pass.

We did our best Honestly he just he came on way too strong at the end And I can just like a thimp Oh sim behavior That's what he's trying to avoid Oh Bobby You're back to square one dude These rules just like don't work

For some people like I'm desireless doesn't work I'm desirable it doesn't work I'm excellent I'm too excellent I'm gone I'm too gone Yeah welcome to dating women buddy It's gonna be a long road for him Still, nobody said too excellent but yourself. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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Wait, are you just now hearing that? I am. I'm like, for thousands, he finally heard it. I don't know if anybody saw this. But even when guys get her like beating over the head with good information, sometimes it just doesn't register for guys. Weird. Also, sometimes information doesn't register. Yeah.

Like, it's hard to sometimes change, right? What? This guy... Sorry, what were you saying? This guy was so, like, stuck on his plan that when it was the problem, he couldn't, like, adjust. He couldn't... Pivot.

What is Brooke saying, Jose? I don't know. I'm not really sure. Anyway. The thing is, next time you get angry at a man for not listening, maybe turn your attention to God for making us that way. Oh, it's... I see.

It's God's fault. Yep. Thanks a lot, God. God's fault. Put us in a bad spot over here, but we can put you into a good spot in your dating life if you want some help with that. At least we'll try. Email the show. We'll call that person who's not calling you back.

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