Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Second Date Update: Dry Lips & Hands On Hips

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

All the guy on the phone today had to do to make himself PERFECT for his date is change TWO PHYSICAL things about himself… It backfired and now he wants a Second Date Update! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And this is just a prime example of overthinking something. You know, taking something a little too literally and letting it live rent-free in your head. It really ruined his whole date. But you're going to hear what that is in just a second. And we always love to highlight you. Yes. And today we are going to highlight New Begin, who said love from Ethan. Ethiopia. Alexis stays strong being surrounded by old people.

Wait, they mean us? I think so, yeah. Oh, no, no. Wow. I think that. Okay, it's because you've been volunteering at a senior center. That's what they're talking about. Totally unwork related. It was about my personal life.

Good, yeah. Good. Don't worry, Brooke. Thanks. All right, let's get this new episode started right now. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update. If your dating life isn't going well,

Let's say you've been single for more than a year. You've been on a dozen different first dates, but not many seconds. Where do you go? Who do you talk to for advice? I hope you're saying us. Definitely not us. Not first anyways. We're more of a last resort.

Yeah, good point. If you hit rock bottom, open up the door to the basement and find us down there. That's exactly what our listener, Anthony decided. Oh, right. Long before he came to us, he went to his friend seeking advice first. So I'm curious to learn more about it. Anthony, welcome to the show. Hey, guys. Thanks for having me.

Yeah, welcome to the lowest point of your dating career. Yes. Anthony, we are so glad to be part of it. That means that feels great. The only place for you to go is up from here. All right, that's the good news. But let's start with hearing about your love life because you said you've been struggling a little bit lately. Yeah, I have not had a lot of success with women lately.

Okay. I asked a female friend of mine for some honest feedback. Oh, okay. That's good. At least it wasn't a guy. No, but are you ready for the answer? Oh. You know, that's always the question.

Because that female feedback is brutal. If you ask for honesty, you're going to get it. Okay. What did your friends say? Well, we even did a pretend date during her work lunch so she could kind of see my game. Oh. That's kind of smart. Never heard of that.

So you, like, role played that you were on a first date with her? That is smart. You know, we tried to do our best to recreate the real thing. That's good. Like, now you're giving her the context of what you're actually like on a date. That's a good friend. Someone willing to practice dating with you? And kiss you even?

That's really cool. I wouldn't say that. I want to know what her review was afterwards. Yeah. Overall, it was pretty positive. Okay. But afterwards, she did mention a couple of things. All right.

She said, I lick my lips a lot when I talk. Oh, I like my lips a lot too. That's interesting. I could see that being like a weird. ick for some people. Totally, but at that same time, it means that she was focused hyper on your lips the entire date. That's a pretty good point. Yeah. So don't take it all negative. So you lick your lips too much. I do. I do. I didn't even realize that. And apparently I use my hands too much. Is that a thing? You can use your hands too much. Like when you talk as I do.

Yeah, I think we don't, all of us do that so much that we don't have the boundaries. Too animated when you talk. Yeah, animated. That's about I was going to say I'm a handsy talker, but that doesn't sound That's a totally different problem. So you got all that feedback. What'd you do with that information? Well, I went on a date, and I'm not sure if all of that helped or hurt. Oh. Okay.

Before we get too into the details, what's the name of the girl that you met? Oh, her name is Amanda. Amanda. Okay. Where did you meet her? I met her off of the app. All right. And it doesn't sound like you're having problem getting the dates, so that's good.

Yeah, I've never had problems getting the first date. It's the second date that's been my issues. Yeah, yeah. It's something you're doing on the date. Right. So run us through how the date went. Well, I took her to a wine bar. Cute, nice.

Good. Yeah, I was trying to be very body conscious. What does that mean? You know, just based on the feedback I got from her friend beforehand. Oh, about the lip licking and hand flailing. You got the driest lips on the... Yeah, it makes mine dry thinking about it. Yeah.

How are you body conscious about that? stuff. Well, I was very conscious about not licking my lips. I even asked for a straw with my wine. You went to a wine bar? Did you think about bringing chapstick? Because that always stops me from doing, you know, licking my lips. Once you put it on, then you're like, okay, I'm better.

Yeah, I should have, I should have thought about that. Okay. It all helps. I mean. You actually put a straw in a wine glass and drank it that way. Yeah, I was also keeping my hands down at my side. Like I was just kind of bent down and sipped it. Like a kid.

Like you're drinking chocolate milk? Yeah, we don't want to get too handsy with your straw and your wine glass. Got it. Got it. Did you knock it over? That sounds like a terrible situation. No, no. I didn't knock it over, but I don't know if she thought it was weird.

Yes. You know, I was just trying to correct what my work friend had said. Did you tell her why or no? No, I didn't tell her why. I did ask her for help, though, because. Oh, no. Oh, how? Well, they weren't bringing the bill, and I didn't want to be waving my arms around at the waiter,

so I asked her to do it instead. Oh, okay. You had her flag down. Maybe it was a little too seriously. Did you tell your friend that this is what you did? She would be mortified, I think, if this is how you took the advice. Listen, I was just trying to take the notes that she gave me. I know.

It's sweet. It's sweet that you're trying and you're trying to improve yourself. Like, we appreciate that. And that's the thing. Whenever you're trying to fix something, you usually tend to overcorrect on the behavior too much. Do you feel like maybe that's what happened? I definitely think I went too far the other way. I even gave her a no-armed husband.

which I'm sure was awkward. Wait, what? That's weird. It's not a hug. Just bumping into her. You just rubbed your chest up against her? My shoulder, but yeah, it basically. In your defense, I'm sure it was the best no armed hug that she's ever gotten in her entire life.

Did she hug you back? She did, but she kind of didn't know what to do. She just kind of put her shoulder back and drove it into mine. Oh, so the feeling is mutual then. Okay. Yeah. It was not the kind of bump and uglies I was hoping for. So what's happened since?

Because my guess is you're not texting or since you're not allowing yourself to use your hands. That's the only problem. No, just his nose. I just keep my phone down at my side when I do my texting, so I'm not waving them around. Oh, you're still practicing this no-hands thing? No, I was joking with that one. Okay. The humor is on point.

Charming. So how long has it been since your no-hand wine date? Well, it's been over a week, and I haven't heard. from her. So I feel like I said, like I went too far the other way and I need a redo. I think it's a sweet reason. I think if you get a chance to explain why you did that. Yeah. You know, but maybe she didn't notice. Maybe it was something else that my friend didn't notice. And that's the reason she's not getting back to me. True. Could be another thing that you have to work on in your personal dating life. But we're going to find out for sure. I hope not either. Just make

sure your lips are nice and super dry to get ready to speak to her when we come back. Is anybody else looking their lips? I have like eight times right now. Chopstick immediately. Don't do it. It's not sexy. We're going to be a sexy edition of the second date update right after this. Hold on.

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update. You've heard of bear hugs, side hugs, triple person sandwich hugs. But have you ever heard of a no-armed hug? Well, now you have. Because our listener, Anthony, may have invented it during his first date with. Amanda. It's kind of painful depending on how you know pointy your shoulders are. It could be but he did it because one of his female friends told him that he tends to use his

hands too much whenever he talks and interacts so Anthony was trying to overcorrect for that during his date. He definitely went to the extreme. Yes tried to use his hands as little as possible but most horrifying for Brooke was when he used a straw in his wine glass. I mean honestly still Still no hands. I can't even believe you found a wine bar that had a straw. Yeah, good point. But he did that because he was also told that he licks his lips too much whenever he's talking. So that was the workaround to not be licking his lips the entire time.

He's worried he may have overdone it, but he's brave enough to come on the show and admit his mistakes. And you should be proud of that, Anthony. Yeah. Thanks, guys. I was thinking about it. And I think it's okay if you tell her about all of the reasons. reasons why I was doing all that stuff. Okay.

Oh, okay. I think that's a really good idea, Anthony. I think that it shows that you're a person who's open to constructive criticism, that you're willing to change. Like, I think it's all positive for you. I appreciate you guys telling her. I just, I'm not very good words, so I appreciate that. Well, neither are we.

So this is going to be a disaster. Here we go. I'm going to use my hands to dial Amanda's phone number. Oh, dude. That's all the handplay that we'll get for today. Here we go. Hey, are we speaking to Amanda? Yes, this is Amanda.

Hey, Amanda. You're on a radio show right now. There's a whole room of people here. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Good morning. Hi. Yeah. Did I win something?

Absolutely not. We haven't had a budget for that in a long time. Should have called us back in the 1980s. But no, we're doing a segment called the Second Date Update. Okay. If you haven't heard that before, it's where one of our listeners has reached out to us after he went out on a date with you, had a really good time, but he's having trouble locking down a second one. A guy named Anthony. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I went on a date with Anthony. Right. Okay. Yeah, I like your tone. It sounds like you're remembering it in a positive way. I mean, kind of. Okay. Okay.

Well, we figured there must be something. up because you haven't met up with him a second time and we're just trying to help Anthony figure out if there's a reason for that. Gotcha. Okay. And he has some ideas. He does have a thought about maybe why you're not calling. You may have noticed his behavior was a little different. I mean, I think he was great.

Like, the conversation was good. But, you know, there was a few things that were kind of funny. Like, he drank from a straw. his wine and oh my god did you about die when he asked the the waitress for a straw to drink his wine yeah i just thought that it was kind of strange especially like on the first date do you know i would have i would have assumed because i read a tip a long time ago like drink coffee out of a straw and you won't stain your teeth like did you have any thought as a wine is doing that so one of my girlfriends insists that the restaurants don't clean their glasses well enough so she always drinks with a straw no matter what

And so I was like, oh, maybe it's something like that. Interesting. It's a theory. It stands out. Yeah. Dirty wine glasses does explain a lot of Brooks' odd behavior. That would make sense. Yeah, I didn't ask, though.

I didn't ask him about it. Okay. How do you get that oaky flavor if it's all washed off, you know? I get it. You like the natural tree flavor. So is that all that you notice, the straw in the wine glass? Yeah, I mean, and then also just like his texts, I could tell that he was not being genuine. It was like almost like he put it into chat GPT.

Oh, yeah. Wait, before, after the date, I'm guessing? Beforehand it didn't seem like that, but afterwards it seemed like that. Yeah. And I can't be sure of it, but I just, I've used chat GPT enough. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, when my first talk in there are Tesla's, though, it does that.

It does periods after every sentence. When you talk out loud to talk out loud. I know, but there's just like a cadence to it. Like, we used to have a sales guy who would send all of his emails via chat GPT, and they're so cheesy and awful. So you're upset because. you think that he's been using chat GPT to help write messages to you. Yeah, I mean, I'm not upset, but I'm just like really turned off by that because it's like,

I want someone to have deep conversations with me, not like an AI boyfriend. You can order those actually, but I don't know that. That's really funny. I mean, when we talk to him, it's really funny that you say that because he did mention before we called you that he wasn't very good with words. So maybe it's just something where he didn't think his message was, good enough, you know? Let's give him a chance to try to use his words because he actually is on the other line of this phone call waiting to jump in and speak with you. Oh, wow. Hey, hey, Amanda.

Look at that. I, uh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh, she's sorry. I know. You guys are so nice. Yeah. I just feel bad because I feel like I'm, I don't, I feel bad that I said that, but it's true. Well, is it true? We don't know that. Oh, yeah. I'm, I'm not going to deny it, but there is an explanation. Oh. Oh. Okay. So you have been using ChatGPT. What's going on?

I have, but you're not going to believe this. I was one of the inventors of ChatGPT, so in a way, those are my words. No way. What's it? Hasn't it been around for a long time? This is Chad from Chad GPD. Anthony, ChadGBT works by taking all, everything on the internet, essentially, and learning from that.

Did you just event like a part of the technology or something? What are you talking about? Yeah, I did. I did help invent it. So your justification is that because you helped do the codes for chat GPT, chat GBT is actually using your words. I mean, essentially, yes. Well, I mean your words a lot, brother.

Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, thank you. Wouldn't you be so rich? Yeah. I mean, he's not rich. How do we know he's not rich? I don't know. He's calling us for help. Like, don't real rich people don't listen to us.

Don't real rich people, like, have assistants to do stuff. Okay. Anthony, how do you feel that Brooke just insinuated that you're broke? I didn't say broke. There's somewhere in between, Jeff, you know. You're not like I invented chat GPT, Rich. How do you know? I just, I don't know. You keep letting it on thick to Anthony. Anthony, feel free to respond.

I can neither confirm nor deny, but I can. I can at least say that I have not had luck with second dates, and that's why I came to you guys. But don't women throw themselves at you when they learn, like, that you're the founder, like one of the founding people of ChatGPT? I don't normally tell people that because they never believe me. Girls Google every guy's name, they go out. Watch out. They'll find out.

Okay. I mean, I have no reason not to believe you. It's more about Amanda. Amanda, what do you think hearing that? Good point. I mean, I'm also having trouble believing it. You don't think he's telling the truth? It's one of those like gambles that you want to take, right?

Like, what's the worst that can happen? Oh, ask Chad GBT if he's a founder of Chad GBT. Does it even change anything? Like, how petty are we? If he is a billionaire or he's not, do you like it? I don't even date for money and a billionaire changes everything. Okay. Listen, I never said I was a billionaire and you guys are making this all about money.

That's my point. Does she like you for you? Yeah, I did like the wine date. That was nice. Okay. I mean, that's real Anthony, face to face. Yeah, he didn't ask me to split the bill, so maybe he did start chat chapp. I don't think that means that either.

Maybe he is rich. Okay. He's got enough for dinner. I feel like there's enough here that you'd want to go out and just see what's up. Yeah. Do a little investigation to find out what he really does for work. And if you're willing to see him one more time, we would pay for that date, Amanda. I mean, I'm definitely going to Google him to see if he's telling the truth.

Okay, that's okay. I would go on a second date. Okay. I didn't work on Google, so I don't know what that one's going to say. Oh, yeah. You can never trust them. They're not trust any of it. Yeah.

Okay, AI mode. But you did agree to another date, so this is successful, Anthony. Oh, maybe AI stands for Anthony intelligence. Hey, there we go. Anthony, is that true? I can never confirm nor deny it. I do want to confirm, though, that I don't actually drink wine through a straw. Okay.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we'd ever explain that to her, Anthony. Yeah, and she actually didn't mind. I mean, she noticed. Well, we can talk about all that on our next date. It'll be a fun story. Oh, all right. And just wait until you see what he can do with his hands, too.

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You know, it's funny that you say rich people don't listen to our show. When we literally had the Gates family in here as admitted fans, are they not rich enough for you, Alexis? I wasn't here, so it's been a long time since we don't know that they still listen. And it was the kids. Like Bill and Melinda never came in. Oh, okay. Kids, you don't count as being rich. I guess you're right.

I got hung up on the money aspect of it, which is not something I typically do. You do. And how dare you shame all of our billionaire listeners all over the world? I want them to know that, hey, I see you. And I am available for whatever, wherever. Okay. Prices are listed on my blog. You will find I will do almost anything.

Jeff wants a millionaire.com. Oh, billionaire. Billionaire. Sorry, my bad. Overall, though, I will say I am happy that Anthony was able to pull out another date. But if we do find out later that his friend suggested to tell the girl that he's some sort of AI mogul, obviously it works. So, tusha, Anthony.

Well done. I just want an update so I can find out if this is true or not. Me too. Because you can't ask chat GPT. Who knows what that's going to say? Maybe listeners can do some sleuthing for us and tell us if they can find an Anthony who created a code. Yes. AI always lies to you.

That's true, too. And while you're doing your research, go research our show wherever you get your podcast. We're available, Apple, Spotify, wherever you find them. Just look up, Brooke and Jeffrey. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there hidden in plainly. sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the

Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January, men promise to get stronger, work harder, and fix what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? I I've met down with psychologist Dr. Steve Poulter to unpack shame, anxiety, and the emotional pain men were never taught how to name. Part of the way through the Valley of Despair is realizing this has happened, and you have to make a choice whether you're going to stay in it or move forward. Our two-part conversation is available now. Listen to the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

Hi, I'm Dr. Priyanko Wally. And I'm Hurricane de Bolo. It's a new year. And on the podcast's Health Stuff, we're resetting the way we talk about our health. being honest about what we know, what we don't know, and how messy it can all be. I like to sleep in late and sleep early. Is there a chronotype for that, or am I just depressed? Health stuff is about learning, laughing, and feeling a little less alone.

Listen on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A new year doesn't ask us to become someone new. It invites us back home to ourselves. I'm Mike Delo Rocha, a host of Sacred Lessons. A space for men to pause, reflect, and heal. This year, we're talking honestly about mental health, relationships, and the patterns we're ready to release. If you're looking for clarity, connection, and healthier ways to show up in your life,

Sacred Lessons is here for you. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Delaroach on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. A man with Down syndrome tries the impossible, the grand slam in turkey hunting. Four, 53 hits. We're legal shooting light. And he gives us this one last, Joshman. And he pitches off.

And when he pitches off, he flies right into the gun barrel. I said to the cameraman, do you have him? He said, shoot him. I said, Justin, shoot. You can download this episode and others from Lines and Tines

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