Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Second Date Update: Love Bombs Away

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

One of our listeners wanted to sweep his date off her feet….. but based on the reactions we got in this room to his grand romantic gestures there’s a chance he MAY have overdone it… See for yourself in the Second Date Update podcast!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. Hey, welcome back. Hope everybody had a wonderful holiday. Yes! If it wasn't that great, I hope you just survived. You know, you got through it. That works. Sometimes that's all you can do. We got a brand new second date for you today.

It's coming up in this episode. But first, a comment. What do you got? Yeah, Xavier said, the funniest thing I saw today was that Spotify recommended second date updates under the Relationship Advice section. Oh, they did? You officially made it. Awesome.

I hope that Spotify realizes this isn't good advice. Yeah. Unadvice. Right? Clearly they didn't listen to the segment. Yeah. Exactly. They're like, everyone's listening to this.

It's about to be good advice. All right. Millions of people. Here we go. Judge for yourself. Is this advice or not? Your second date. Brand new episode starts right now.

Second date update. Brooke, let me ask you something. Okay. I just need a quick, Yay, nay, or hey neighbor. Uh-oh. Underrated quality in the dating world today, self-awareness. Oh, hey neighbor.

Aren't you aware of the neighbor if you're talking to them? I wasn't quite sure why to respond that way. You got excited. It would be a yes, but it's more fun to say that. It is, it is. We didn't need the sultry part of it, though. Like, hey, neighbor. Is your wife out right now?

She pulled her shirt down over her shoulder. Are you self-aware? It's a little much. But, yeah, self-awareness. It just, it feels like kind of a rare thing nowadays. Oh, man, it doesn't exist on social media, that's for sure. Or on the show. But one of our listeners, Leon, has it because he messaged us saying he believes he knows why he's being blown off.

Okay. Because he is an unabashed love bomber. Oh, yeah. That's just how he rolls. And maybe it's not for everybody, but it's his preferred style. So, Leon, welcome to the show, ma'am. Hey, thanks for having. Okay. Are you proud of being a love bomber?

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I just think it's my natural style. I like going over the top for girls. And if we're being honest with each other, I'm not getting a ton of matches out there. So the ones that I am getting, I really want to go over the top and really try to connect with them. All right. I'm excited to hear what he did. Yeah. We'll get to the love bomb fest in just a second. but tell us first about this lady that you met. What's her name? Where'd you meet her? Her name is Angela, and I just met her at the grocery store the other day,

and she was so cute. She had, like, Auburn hair and green eyes. She was really beautiful. Interesting. I just worked up the courage to ask her out. A grocery store meetup is a love bomber's dream, right? Yeah. What do you mean?

Well, it's just like every rom-com ever, and love bombers love to live out the rom-com. How does this extra flower? up in my card. I think that's for you. Exactly. Jose, you're talking about a bag of flour. No, no, Jeff. That is kind of romantic.

See? It was actually a bag of avocados. Wow. Now you're balling. Okay. You're going to go bad in 24 hours. I know. Just drop like a stack of hundreds in front of her,

right, don't you? Well, do you not any bag of avocados you had to squish before you found the perfect one? That's true. Yeah, I've got to make guacamole. Already you've put a lot of effort in more than most men would. This is romantic. Let's get to the actual day. What did you do when you met up?

Well, we just got coffee. Okay. And it wasn't that long either. We only had like 20 minutes. You know, she's high class. She has a really good job. I don't even understand her job. She's clearly very smart.

That's how cool it is. I have so many friends like that where they tell me 800 times what they do. And I'm like, I have no idea. Me too, bro. Zero follow-up questions on that. Yeah, no. Cool. All right.

That's nice. You're dating a smart lady. Yeah. In that time, I could just tell that we were viving. I was making her laugh. I don't know. She's, like, sort of touching my hand a little bit. That's good.

Wow, if she touched your hand, that's really good. Touching it or swatting it away from it? Because you're basically like strangers at this point. She's never even talked. That is true. Which is why I think 20 minutes is okay. It's almost like a pre-date that you went on. You know, too, it's like a screener.

Yeah. Well, yeah, give us the big, like, highlight moment from the coffee date. I don't know. We were talking about. how both of our therapists also need therapy. Oh. But we both were talking about how much we believe in therapy overall. She's very fashionable.

We were talking about our outfits. And at the end, I didn't try to kiss her, but there was, like, a long hug. Okay. Like where she was also holding you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, this is where his love bombing comes in. Hug attack. Yeah.

And then I said I'd reach out. and we left it at that. Okay. Okay. So it doesn't sound like you keep saying you're like into love bombing, but all of this sounds really normal. Yeah, it sounds a little exaggerated. Well, I did do a few things afterwards.

Oh. Okay. Okay. What'd you do? I don't know. Maybe she thought I overdid it, but I'm not sorry. I posted an Instagram story of the city skyline and I captioned it today felt different and I tagged her in it.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Wow. You think that's that bad? He found her on Insta and then tapped her in a story. Yeah, but he didn't post a picture of her that she didn't know was taken. I mean, this doesn't sound too bad.

Was there more? I also created a Spotify playlist titled Us and I texted it there. Oh, no. This is like what my angsty self did at 16 for boys that I liked. You can always come back from them and be like, I meant like U.S., like USA. United States. Yes. Weird and clingy.

No. Okay. He's not apologetic, Jeff. He's not going to make excuses. No, and you shouldn't. Yeah, I'm not sorry about it. I mean, us means us. Okay. But there's no us yet. When you've only spent 20 minutes with someone, that's kind of the problem. I think that a lot of people would appreciate what you're doing once you're in a relationship together. Okay. Was that the end of the love bombing or is there any more?

I mean, afterwards, I've been calling her and I sent multiple text messages. But I'm just not getting any feedback from her. That's not bad. Tax collectors do that to me. And I don't think that's love bombing. I mean, I don't mean to be mean because I think your heart is in the right place, but you're kind of scaring her. Yeah. Well, you know what?

We'll find out from her if she picks up the phone. Yeah. We have to call Angela and figure out if he crossed her line. Yeah. Because if she was reciprocating and their love bombing back and forth, it'd be a different story. Yeah. So how long has it been since the coffee date? That was two and a half weeks ago.

I think the better question is, how long has it been since the last voicemail you left? That was three hours ago. Okay. But, dude, it's the morning. What the hell? She's probably not up yet. That's why she didn't answer. He had to leave her message.

And the last 10 before that. This is a big misunderstanding, I'm sure, Leon, and we're going to clear it all up when we call Angela for your second date update right after this. Hold on. Second date update. If you're just joining us, our listener, Leon, told us that he is a self-proclaimed love bomber. Oh, I mean, proudly, I said that. You rarely find those. What does that mean after his 20-minute coffee date with Angela?

Well, it means he left her multiple voicemails, countless text messages, and even created a Spotify playlist titled Us. And he is not sorry about it, because when Leon feels it's right, he is going to go for it full force and drop a love nuke right on you. Yeah, get them. Nobody likes nuclear bombs.

No. I mean, that's a... It's a general statement, yeah. Oppenheimer was kind of a fan, but unfortunately, we're not sure Angela survived the love bombing because she stopped responding altogether.

That's brutal. It's not looking great, but in an exercise of optimism here, there's always the chance she's building up her own romantic arsenal to love bomb you right back. Did you think about that Leon? That is really optimistic.

Yeah. I did not. That would be great. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you got a lot to live up to, so it could take some time. Here's the question. If it was too much for her, are you willing to tone it down until you're in a actual

relationship with the other person? I yeah, yes. I don't know. You're asking him to change himself. I'm asking him to change himself. I'm just asking him to like... Restraint.

To be a different person. No, you're not a different person. You can still be romantic. It's just maybe little doses instead of all at once. I don't know if a tone-down love bomber is possible. Yeah, it's not. Unfortunately, we love hard. It's just not very healthy.

You don't have to take advice from Brooke. She's been stuck in a marriage for like 15 years. Okay, don't trust that. They barely pepper in love once a year. Whatever. I love being in my marriage. We're about to call her. And Brooke, if she does answer, should we,

bring up the love bombing to her because normally I would say no let's try to avoid this but it's so out there so frequent I don't think we can get around it after the playlist titled us it's something we can't shy away from it'll feel better to know

that he is self-aware of it honestly like that she knows that yeah that might actually change her mind on the whole thing I'll just try not to use the term love bomb what are you going to say I don't know loves a lot I think it's fine I'll just say

say some nice gestures. We'll see how that goes for you. Okay, let's see. Yeah. We'll see if she even answers. I'm going to dial her number right now. Let's do this. Hello?

Hi, this is Angela? This is Angela? Who's calling? We're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Hi, good morning. Oh, God, I don't want to come back to this one. Hi, good morning.

We love you. Oh, God. I'm just kidding. Yeah, no. We are very excited. to get to talk to you because we've actually heard a lot about you. Okay. She's in a good mood, guys.

Hopefully this keeps going because one of our listeners has asked us to get a hold of you, a guy you went on a date with named Leon. Oh, God, that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Leon. He's a funny dude, huh?

He's a lot. I mean, he's a lot of something. Okay. All right. Okay. Yeah. interesting character kind of vibe or what? Interesting is a good word for it.

Okay. You are being very, very polite, Angela. That's great. That's great. I mean, honestly, I'm just glad you're not scared. Yeah. Well, let's not start there with that word. They were worried.

Yeah, it was, honestly. We were curious. We were curious about what you think of Leon in the two and a half weeks since your date ended, because we've heard a lot's happened. I mean, I pretty much knew I mean, we only met for like maybe 30 minutes our date But like, I mean, I knew during the date That it wasn't gonna work out

Oh, oh, no Oh, you know you didn't want to take it any further then, huh? No, and he has been calling and texting a lot So Some guys don't take hints by the way Totally, but if you don't mind me asking Angela Can you tell us what happened like on the date? I mean, it honestly started like right away like you know

we were meeting for coffee, and he got there early to get us a seat or whatever. So, like, he saw me pull in. You know, I got one of those money spots right in front. And I get out and, you know, he gives me a hug or whatever when I come in. And he was like, oh, that's a nice car. How did you afford that? Are you on Onlyvans? What?

Oh, wow. That's what he said to you? The audacity. Literally, that was the greeting. Are you on only? Like, at one point, I complimented his jacket. And he said, I don't usually dress up, but I have court today. and he's not a lawyer

and I was like why are you going to court because that's what you do when somebody says that I know and you're just like loaded question yeah no you wouldn't tell me he was like no

I don't want to talk about it and I was like you said it yes why would he even say the court part yeah that was dumb

things are starting to become a little more clear yeah it was a lot well and then okay well and then like the kicker for me was there's more okay okay so we're

Girls in therapy, which he was open about that, and so, like, that's good. Yeah, that's nice. But he's told me that his therapist told him that he needs to stop proposing to girls on date. Oh. Oh, wow. Like, as he's staring deeply into my eyes, so I start sweating. Like, I'm thinking, oh, my God, he's going to propose me. Well, how is...

In the middle of a restaurant, too? How is that a bad thing? What? Jeff. What is not quite a lot. If he feels the attraction to you so strongly that he wants to. that he wants to get down on a knee. It's like a movie, bro.

Jeff is being sarcastic. Okay, good, because that's crazy town. Okay, well, this is clearly a lot, but you know what's not crazy is a man who loves love. And a man who loves listening on the other phone line while we have a conversation on the radio.

That man would be Leon, and he is here at the moment. Hi, Angela. Oh, shit. Hi. I bet that's not too much of a surprise, honestly, with this guy. Yeah, I mean, it's, uh, it's been a lot. The texting and the calling is a lot. The Spotify playlist labeled us.

That was a lot. I get it. The fourth thing is the only fan thing is weird. Okay, the only fan thing I can explain that. Yeah. Oh, he can explain it, he says. Okay, because we need to go through these things that you said to her on the date, Leon. They're pretty shocking.

I mean, it was kind of a joke, but I also just meant it as a compliment. I mean, the girls in there are like gorgeous millionaires. Okay, now we don't. You know what, Leon, now we don't want to admit to a someone we're dating that we spend a lot of time. I read about it. You read about that. I see. There's a good recovery.

He's so versed. Can we jump to the court? Yeah. Court date. What was going on? You said you had court that day. Yeah. Doesn't everybody have court?

I mean, like... What? What? No. But what if I was a juror? What? Were you a juror? No, but what about it?

Well, it doesn't matter. You can't play the theoretical game. And we don't have a lot of time here, but I do have to ask you about your therapist warning you not to propose to women. Like on first dates? Is this a thing you do? On first dates, it's happened on like third dates. Jesus.

You guys are making me sound weird or something. just myself and I love love. Okay. This is at the point where we encourage you to listen to your therapist. Yeah. I am listening to my therapist and I feel like she would want me to ask you, didn't she feel anything when we were together?

Weren't you having a good time? I mean, I felt nervous that you were going to propose. That's totally fair. I told you that. I mean, of course, you're entitled to feel however you want because I'm feeling however I want. Oh.

But why then does me not responding to text and calls not let you know how I feel? I appreciate when people are direct with me. That's all. Guys, for some reason, can't tell that. I have a hard time believing that that would actually work with you. But, okay, directly, I'm saying not into it. Well, wait, wait, yeah, because despite what Leon's therapist suggests, I'm going to propose that the two of you go out on another date. Well, said, Jeff.

Just one more man who can't understand what you're trying to say. I'm legally obligated. They're not a court way, but I am obligated to ask you if you'd like to see each other one more time and we'd pay for it. Angela, it's up to you. No, I don't want to do that. Okay. I am absolutely shocked. Okay.

I did not see this coming. Angela. I think more importantly, Leon, did you hear her? I heard her. I respect it. And I don't want to dance with somebody who doesn't want to. dance is me. There it is.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. It's funny, the love bombing part actually had nothing to do with her saying no to another date. No, I mean, it started Like him just being rude, actually. Yeah. She'd already said no in her mind before it, to be fair. Yeah. But, you know, if you're a romantic person at heart and you like doing things for other people, I think that's good.

But on dates one through three, you really have to resist. Yeah. And not just the proposing like Leon loves to do. I mean, on all of it, you got to hold back because it's too much too soon. Yeah. Now society, you can't do that. No, it's never been good. Yeah.

You've got to paste yourself. Exactly. And it's healthy. You know, it's healthy to develop a connection with someone before you drop down on one knee in a coffee shop. Yeah, that's a good thought. Ironically, the people who enjoy love bombing the most are the ones working on only fans. And apparently, he just read about it. Oh, thank you for the tip, Daddy. Kind of doomed from the start.

But look, if you want to go to Spotify and check out our podcast or this new playlist I just made called Them for Leon and Angela, I see, I see. Go find us. Type in Brooke and Jeffrey and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. On this week's episode of next chapter, I, TD Jake, sit down with Denzel Washington, a two-time Academy Award-winning actor

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