Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update - Second Date Update PODCAST: Sorry Not Sorry

Episode Date: March 30, 2017

A lot of people think that the key to a successful first date is all about WHAT YOU SAY...but sometimes, it's what YOU DON'T SAY that can bring a romantic evening CRASHING DOWN...and that was the case today...find out what happens in the second date update podcast now.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Moving 92.5. Ruck and Jubal's Second Date Update. They say that one man's trash is another man's treasure. I already don't like the start of today's second date update. And that's why Tim is on the phone for a second date update today. He found a discarded date. And then he swooped in and got a date with her. He discarded it. Tim, now, I don't want to call your date trash. It was just an analogy, okay?

Yeah, I get that. Tell us about the garbage pickup. How'd it go? Yeah, let me back up. I went out that night to go see a play, and I just went by myself. So I go to the theater, and I'm there, and down the row, a couple seats down, there's this girl, and she was pretty cute. So I smile at her, and she sort of smiles back. Did you throw her a wink, too?

No, no, I did the polite, you know, like, smile, head nod, just like, hello, hi. Like, bite the lower lip, like, mmm. Oh my God, Jubal. You're so creepy. Any of the proper moves or just simply a smile? Maybe I should have done that. Maybe I should have done that. You start talking about how this woman sounds like a sweater from Goodwill, and now you're, all right.

So you smiled at her. I did, and the seat next to her is vacant. So I get a little courage and I kind of like walk down a little bit to the aisle. And I just said, hey, is anybody sitting in the seat? And she said, yeah, someone else is going to come take the seat. And then that's when you yelled at her. Why are you yelling at her now? He was upset.

No, no, no, no. Oh, you didn't yell at her. No, I just no, no. Oh, you didn't yell at her. No, I just said, oh, okay. I didn't ask who, you know, the seat was for. Right, because it's none of your business because she's a complete stranger in a theater. Yeah, but she also didn't say, you know, who it was for either. Like, if it was her husband, I imagine she would say, like, no, it's for my husband or for my boyfriend. Right, she probably would have let you know, stop hitting on me.

Exactly. In the nicest way possible. I feel like seat taken is already stop hitting on me. Why are you guys saying, no, actually, I married him in a very long relationship and the seat has been taken by him. Maybe there's this possibility that the seat is, you know, just for one of her, a girlfriend, you know, a friend of hers that she went to see the play with. Yeah. Right.

Okay. Okay. Okay, so you went back to your regular seat then? I did. I did. I said, oh, okay, well, you know, enjoy the show. And then I went back and the show started a few minutes later and it was good. Okay. But then through the show, I sort of kept an eye just looking over by her to see if

anybody had showed up. You almost sound like you're starting to get a little creepy. The guy at the end of the row that keeps looking over at her to see if anybody had showed up. You almost sound like you're starting to get a little creepy. The guy at the end of the row that keeps looking over at her during the play. I did. That's the thing. I didn't want to. So I kind of did like the peripheral vision to see if there's any action happening over there. Anyway, so intermission comes and no one had showed up.

Oh, the mysterious vacant seat. She's either lying to you or the person didn't show up. So, you know, I went out, I got something to drink, do the intermission stuff, and when I came back in, I came in, so I walked past her to get into the aisle. And as I walked past her, I just said, hey, seat still taken? And she said, no, they didn't show.

And I said, oh, well, do you mind if I sit there? And she said, sure. So I sat down. Good persistence. Okay.

You know, I would have felt weird going back up to her and being like, hey, what's up? You said somebody's coming for that seat, but it's been open

this whole time and I've had my eye on that seat, so. What's the deal? Yeah. Are you a liar? You just lied to everybody? What's going on with you. Are you a liar? You just lie to everybody? What's going on with you?

Are you a liar? I didn't want to seem that way. I didn't want to seem like a creepy guy. It was more like, you know, like, I felt bad. Like, she got spit up on her face. It's kind of awkward, though. I mean, you're putting her in a position, like, what is she going to do, stick to the lie at that point?

No, someone's still coming for the last half of the play? But the good thing is, the play finishes, finishes and we start talking and then I just said, do you want to go grab something to eat? And she said, yeah, sure, that'd be great. That's cool. Okay. Yeah. So we left and we walked to a place

and we sit down and, you know, we talk for a little while, we get a drink, we get some food. Conversation's great. You know, it's not creepy at all. And I noticed that she started to get a little tired. And so I was like, oh, you know what? Why don't we just call it a night?

And she said, yeah, that'd be great. So I walked into her car, said goodnight, gave her a hug, and said, can I call you? And she said, sure. Awesome. And so I texted her a couple times, and I never heard back. And I thought things had gone well, and then I emailed you guys. Did you ever find out who the seat was for? You know, we didn't talk about it at dinner because I thought if I brought it up and she

could get stood up, it would be uncomfortable or make her feel bad. So I just stayed away from it. That's a good idea. So how long has it been since you guys went to dinner? It's been like a week and a half. A week and a half. Okay. So she's definitely blowing you off.

Yeah. And, you know, I just certainly think about why, you know, who was that seat for? Maybe it was for a half. A week and a half. Okay, so she's definitely blowing you off. Yeah, and I just certainly think about why, who was that seat for? Maybe it was for a boyfriend or someone that she was dating and he finally showed up. And now she's like, no, I don't want anything to do with you. Maybe I was too forward. Maybe I was the creepy guy in the theater trying to steal the seat.

Yeah, so that's why I emailed you guys. Well, we'll play a song, come back, call her, and get your second date update, okay? Okay, great, thanks. All right, man, just hold on. Moving 92.5. Brooke and Jubal in the morning. Second date update. You know, I forgot to ask the most important question about today's second date update.

If you just missed the first part, Tim is on the phone, and he wants to call a girl named Sarah today. They actually met at a play. She had an empty seat next to her. At the beginning of the play, he asked if he could sit in it because he wanted to move seats and sit next to her because he thought she was hot. And she said it was taken. And then after intermission, he saw the seat was still open. So he asked her again. She ended up saying, yes, you can sit in the seat because whoever she was waiting for didn't show up after the play, they went to dinner, had a great time, but now she's not calling him back. And I forgot to ask Tim this, and I'm sorry about that, everybody listening. I know that you really want to know.

Tim, how was the play? No one cares about that. Like, scale of one to five stars, what are we talking? Well, the first act, I was a little distracted because I was trying to figure out what the empty seat was about. I think it was a three. Okay, good. Should we even do the second date update now or have we gotten that all

cleared up? I still want to know why she never called back. Tim, you can't remember any awkward moments you guys had when you went for dinner and drinks after the play? No, everything was real, like, casual and cool, and I thought I was being very, like, polite. And I asked a lot of questions about her, you know, what she liked.

I thought it was a good conversation. You actually seem very charming and, like, a good listener, so I'll give you props on that. Well, thank you. Thank you. Horrible play reviewer, but... Yeah. Jubal's got a point. I'm going to dial her phone number right now. Here we go. Okay.

Hello? Hi, is Sarah there? Yeah, this is Sarah. Hey, Sarah, how are you? My name is Jubal, and I host a show called Brooke and Jubal in the Morning. Okay.

How are you today? Fine, thank you. What's this regarding? Well, it's regarding a date that you went on just a little while ago. Okay. I know, we started off so business-like, didn't we? I know. You might not even think of this as a date, but you recently hung out with somebody, and they've been trying to get a hold of you to get another date,

but you're not calling them back. So they emailed us to see if we could get you on the phone and find out why. Oh, geez. Weird. Good. His name is Tim. Seriously? Yeah.

He told us about how he met you at a play and then you had dinner after. So he contacted you to get a hold of me? Yeah, he did. Apparently he's been trying to get a hold of you, but you're not returning any of his phone calls or text messages. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just not into it, I guess. Oh, it sounded almost like for a second you were excited that he contacted us. I was more surprised, not excited.

Okay. Read that wrong then. Yeah. Well, Tim told us about how you guys hung out. He said that it seemed like you had a great time and he's confused. Wow. I think he's an interesting person. I just, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about him.

Can I tell you what I think it is? And you let me know if I'm right or wrong. Okay. So he said that when he saw you at the play, you had an empty seat next to you. And he asked you like twice if he could sit in it. The first time you said you were waiting for somebody to show up, the next time you said, sure, they didn't show up. Were you waiting for a boyfriend or a husband or something like that? No, I'm definitely single. Okay.

I actually just got canceled on by a friend. So, I mean, why would you say yes to him sitting there when he asked the second time and yes to dinner if you weren't interested in him? I mean, I was interested in him, but I'd only known him for like 10 seconds. And, you know, that kind of changed once I got to know him. Really? I told him after we talked to him that he was charming and a good listener. Apparently, I also had a bad read on that. Yeah, I don't know.

It was fine. And then at dinner, I just sort of got some red flags. What sort of red flags can you tell us basically we were walking into the restaurant and he steps on my heel and he just says oops so he stepped on your he stepped on your shoe and then said, oops. Yeah. And like, you know, normal people would apologize if you just stepped on someone, right? Oh, yeah. He didn't say sorry about that? No, he didn't say sorry.

It was really strange. And then at dinner later, he knocks over his glass and it breaks. And when the waitress comes and picks it up, he just says, the glass fell. No apology. He didn't take responsibility for the shoe or the glass. Yeah, exactly. No apology. You know, if that would have been me, I would have been so embarrassed.

You know, you've broken the restaurant's glass. Yeah. He didn't apologize at all. So was he kind of a jerk then, just pointing out, hey, glass on it up please honestly it kind of read like that and that is just not what i'm looking for i'm just not into somebody who can't say that they're sorry you know i'm looking for someone who's more polite and can admit when they've done something wrong when they've stepped on someone maybe or broken someone else's property i mean it's the first I mean, it was the first date. And you'd think on the first date,

that's when you want to be the most polite. And I think he just has some kind of problem where he can't say he's sorry. Okay. Sarah, I want to let you know that I don't have that problem. And I want to tell you that I'm sorry to break the news, but Tim is actually on the other line listening and wants to talk to you right now. What? Yeah, I'm sorry to break the news, but Tim is actually on the other line listening and wants to talk to you right now.

What? Yeah, I'm sorry about that. Tim, are you there? Yeah, hi. Tim, is that you? It's me. Hey. So awkward.

Is that the real reason why you didn't call me back? Because I didn't say sorry? Yeah, that's the reason. I'm sorry? See, I can say it. I don't know why you're saying it. Why, I just said I'm sorry? Yeah, it's just an empty sorry.

What? Wait, now you need sorries with depth? It just seems like, for me, so, okay, so we were walking in the restaurant. We were in the middle of a conversation, and I know what you're talking about. I stepped on your heel, and I sort of just went like, oops. It went back to the conversation. It was like, sort of looks like a toss-off that it happened. It didn't happen on purpose, and it was in the middle of a conversation,

so it was just like, oh, oops. And we just continued. I didn't think it was that big of a red flag. A normal person would say, I'm sorry. Yeah, but I didn't step on you. I stepped on your shoe. Tim, are you serious? I would be apologizing if I were you right now.

Yeah, most people would. Why? Why would I say sorry? I didn't do any of those things on purpose. Sometimes when you don't do things on purpose, you can still say sorry, like if you accidentally stepped on a shoe. Yeah, but those are just empty sorries.

I didn't do it on purpose. It was an accident. So if you were like driving your car and you accidentally hit a pedestrian, you wouldn't apologize for that either because it wasn't on purpose. Well, whose fault was it? Seriously, are you serious right now? That's a good point.

No, I'm just saying. Your foot stepped on my foot. How could that be my fault? It's not your fault. It was an accident. It's no one's fault. It's an oops. I have never really dissected the word sorry like we're doing right now.

No, it's just I grew up that if you're going to say sorry, it's meaningful and you should say sorry for something that you did. And then you realize it was wrong. Then you're like, oh, you know, you say I'm sorry for that. But when it's like just an accident, like, you know, if you bump into somebody, it's just like, oops. It's not mean. It's not negative. It's just like, oops. And then the life goes on.

Yeah. Like everybody else grew up with common courtesy. So even if you aren't going to say sorry, you say, excuse me, or I didn't mean to do that. I just don't agree with that. Like if Sarah and I continued and we got in a relationship and then later on something happens where I should say, I'm sorry. And I say, hey, Sarah, I'm sorry, it would have such a huge meaning

and she would really know, like, wow, he's really sorry. Hey, I cheated on you, but I'm really sorry and you know I don't throw that word around willy-nilly. No, no. Yeah, you shouldn't throw it. You're right, you shouldn't throw it around willy-nilly. That is so not what I expected your response to be to all this, Tim. I'm not really sorry about it.

Sorry, I'm not sorry. Sarah, yeah. And you know what? Guys, I'm not surprised. Okay, so are we done here? No, not yet, Sarah. We're almost done. But I do have to ask you if you would like to go on a second date with Tim, we will pay for it.

You know what? Sorry. No. It's so immature. It's so immature to say that with that tone. Like now you're ruining sorry. Well, I find it immature that you can't use your manner that a six-year-old can use. So maybe practice that.

A six-year-old will say sorry for sneezing.. A six-year-old won't say sorry for sneezing. They'll say sorry for anything. Look, I am an adult. I am a grown man. I only say sorry when it counts and when it's needed. All right. I like that. Oh, man.

All right, well, sorry. All right, well, sorry. I can't even say sorry now without thinking about it. You can't. I won't say sorry because it's not my fault. Tim, you didn't get a second date. Whatever. Broken Jubal in the morning.

I had no idea that so many people would support the guy from today's second date update. Somebody texted in at 78592 and said, I agree, saying sorry is a sign of weakness. And I refuse to be weak. If you missed today's second date update, Tim wanted to call a girl named Sarah to find out why she wasn't calling him back. She said she wasn't calling him back because during the date he accidentally stepped on her shoe and he said, oops

instead of sorry. And he just basically broke a water glass, didn't say sorry to the waitress or anything else. Just basically didn't apologize and he owned it. He was like, no, yeah, of course I didn't say sorry. I'm an adult. I say sorry if I actually did. And he owned it. He was like, no, yeah, of course I didn't say sorry. I'm an adult. I say sorry if I actually did something wrong and meant it. Those were accidents. And no, I'm not sorry about it. I'm sad it happened,

but I'm not sorry. But here's the thing. Even if you don't apologize, you can still excuse your behavior. Like, excuse me. Or I didn't mean to do that. Or wow. Well, he said oops. No, oops doesn't work. I think oops counts. So I've learned a lesson in saying sorry. and I'm not going to say it anymore. I'm not going to apologize for anything, and I'm not sorry for that one bit.

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Remember, if you want to do a second date update, all you have to do is email the show, and we will call the person who didn't call you back. Move at 92.5. Ugh, we're so done with New Year, New You. This year, it's more you on Bumble. More of you shamelessly sending playlists, especially that one filled with show tunes. More of you finding Gemini's because you know you always like them.

More of you dating with intention because you know what you want. And you know what? We love that for you. Someone else will too. Be more you this year and find them on Bumble. Joel, the holidays are a blast, but the financial hangover, that can be a huge bummer. If you are out there and you're dreading the new statement email that reveals the massive balance that you may have racked up, well, you could use our help. That's right. I'm Joel.

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