Bulwark Takes - BREAKING: Vance Says ICE Agent Who Killed Renee Good Deserves Gratitude

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

Sam Stein, Tim Miller, and Andrew Egger react live to JD Vance defending the ICE officer who fatally shot Minnesota woman Renee Good.

All right, we're live. Tim, Andrew, we're live. We just watched a press briefing from J.D. Vance, the vice president and Carolyn Levitt, the White House press secretary, defending ISIS actions yesterday, castigating the members of the media for daring to report that they shot a woman who was quite evidently trying to flee the scene. They insist that the, you know, don't believe that, that she was trying to ram this officer. I have so many thoughts.

Honestly, I'm exhausted by what I just saw. But I'm going to let Tim kind of marinate a little bit on this because this is when Tim's at his best. So what did you take from JD's 30 minutes of berating the media and demanding that we pay respects to ICE? It was a truly sickening and appalling performance by the vice president. that's what it was as a performance. He did it as a show. He decided to go out there and decide to castigate the media in order to butcher himself up.

He showed absolutely no sympathy or regard for a nay good who was killed yesterday or for her family, for her orphaned children. At times he would like kind of smarmily backtrack and talk about how it's a tragedy. But the performance was mostly talking about how she was a domestic terrorist, she's in the wrong, you know, she shouldn't have been there, that, you know, what happened to her was appropriate. He talked, he, he, he, very, in a

very sarcastic, nasty manner, talked about how he felt bad for her because he thinks that she must have been brainwashed to have to show up there. And this is just sickening behavior. Like, even if you were on the side, which I have not, and we'll talk about, that this was an appropriate action by that ice agent, like even if you are on that side, like what we have expected our entire life from the leaders in this country is in a moment like this, in a hot, really contested moment for someone to up and speak and talk about the tragedy and the victims and trying to lower the temperature. You know, there's this big meme on the right.

Like, people got very mad at Barack Obama because he showed too much sympathy to. Yeah. Was it Michael Brown? Right? Like, that was so radical. to a lot of people on the right. Ben Shapiro talks for this a lot, that there were two, it was Trayvon, not Michael Brown, but it would. Barack Obama. Yeah, Trayvon, Martin, could be my son. It was so offensive and radicalizing to them. The Barack Obama picked aside

in that encounter with Trayvon Martin by showing empathy for the deceased. And that was the thing that riled them up. And now here we are with now the vice president of the United States, not only showing no empathy, but insulting and maligning the people. person that was killed in Minnesota yesterday, doing so with lies. I just, you just have to say it was bluntly lying about what happened. And he talked, he repeatedly talked about how she tried to ram the officer. The one time he kind of was pressed on that and backtracked a little bit as he did sort of make it a side coming out, how he can't know what's in her heart.

It's like, okay, JD, if you can't, if you don't know what's in her fucking heart, then you shouldn't have been calling her a domestic terrorist on Twitter yesterday, right? If you don't really know it is in her head at that point, then you shouldn't be saying that she was trying to ram and kill the police officer because they're based on the video that we've seen, every piece of evidence shows the opposite. She's trying to get away from the police officer. Again, you could say she should listen. You should listen to law enforcement.

Like what she did was inappropriate. I again, could quibble with all of that, but that's not upsetting and insulting and appalling. Like, he is lying about her. He's saying that she tried to ram the officer. We can only see the video. She's trying to get away from the officers. She's not trying to kill them. You could defend the officer and say he misinterpreted that in the moment and made a tragic decision.

Right. Like there are a million ways you could talk about this that I might disagree with or quibble with. That would be within totally responsible things for a leader to say when the intentions are high and when we're still investigating. He does not do that. He paints her as an enemy. He paints her as a domestic foe. He lies about her. He shows no sympathy to.

towards her and he does so in a lecturing condescending smarmy way acting like if anybody doesn't have the fucking black heart of coal that he has then then and if anyone is sympathetic to her or on her side then they are crazy

like they're crazy and wrong and it is just it's it's totally totally sick and I find him to be repulsive so why don't we play let's play the part where he says He doesn't know what's in Renee Good's heart.

And then, Andrew, you made a very valid point on X that I want you to pick up on after this video. You presumably watched the video yourself. There's not the slightest doubt in your mind having viewed it that this, the victim, you still believe that she deliberately tried to round him despite seeing this video. Look, I don't know what it's in a person's heart or in a person's head. and obviously we're not going to get the chance to ask this woman what was going on. What I am certain of is that she violated the law. What I am certain of is that that officer had every reason to think that he was under very serious threat for injury or, in fact, his life.

What I'm certain of is that she accelerated in a way where she ran into the guy. I don't know what was in her heart and what was in her head, but I know that she violated the law and I know that officer was acting in self-defense. All right, Andrew. What do you make? Yeah, I mean, it's somewhat along the lines of what Tim said a minute ago, right? I mean, this has been completely core to everything that the White House has said about this incident since it first happened yesterday. You know, the first words out of the mouth of the DHS spokeswoman, Tricia McLaughlin, she put it up on X where this was an act of domestic terrorism. This driver deliberately targeted our ICE agent. J.D. Vance in that briefing, he said that Renee Goode aimed his, aimed her car at the ICE agent, the president yesterday. said that she willfully and viciously, you know, drove her car into the agent.

So they've been, every one of them has been saying this has been the central component of their messaging for slandering this, this woman who was killed yesterday. And J.D. Vance gets the tiniest bit of pushback here. I mean, the question isn't even good. I mean, the guy's kind of like, he's almost like embarrassed to ask because he's like, you know, you're, you know how you're kind of lying about this? You know how everyone alive has seen the video and it doesn't at all describe what you're, what you're talking about in terms of, like, there's no possible way that any sane person would watch

that and see a deliberate act of, I'm going to go kill an ICE agent now, you know what I mean? And so there's, that's put to him and immediately he retreats back to, well, you know, we can't really know, we can't really say. But you guys want to accuse the ICE officer of murder. And like, again, like Tim said, like that is a, that in a good world, in a sane world, that would be a thing for a court to decide, for a jury to look at it. at all that evidence, unpack it, decide whether, you know, Minnesota law permits, you know, sees that as reasonable suspicion of fear, whatever, like all that stuff. That's not going to happen, by the way, because the White House is obstructing any efforts by local law enforcement

to open an investigation into this. They're all going to apparently handle it internally at DHS. So that's going to go great. I'm sure there will be, I'm sure there will be a lot of accountability there. But just the fact that their whole narrative of this falls apart under just the tiniest little puff of scrutiny here really just shows that they have nothing. I mean, they have nothing here. They're just hollering domestic terrorism until. Can I say one more thing about this? He says it doesn't know what's in her head. Earlier today, the vice president, again, posted about her calling the deceased a deranged leftist. That's what he called her this morning. It's unimaginable that another president or vice president would smear somebody that had just

been killed like that in the past. He calls her a deranged leftist. What does deranged mean? Dorengish means mentally unsound or insane. So he's, this morning, he said he does know what he's in her head, that she's a deranged leftist who tried to kill the cops. And he insinuated again at the briefing that she might have been connected to, you know, these domestic terrorist leftist groups, you know, the same people who throw bricks at ICE agents, you know, all this stuff. I mean, like it's completely, he goes one way and then he retreats, look, I'm not saying this,

but I am saying, I mean, it's totally, like you said, performative and really, really gross. And he also then contracted himself after that by. saying he has no evidence that she has any tie to these groups. He knows nothing. I mean, let's just call it what it is. Like, this is Orwellian stuff, right? He knows nothing about this person. He doesn't know anything about why she was there.

It admits that he knows nothing of her motivations, but knows enough to say that the state had the right to kill her. And that's what this is. I want to talk about just two things. One is JVL's triad today because it's a great read and people should read it top to bottom. It's fantastic. But there's a part up top.

just to get everyone's bearings correct, that goes through in bullet point form what a normal process would look like around a tragedy like this. I'm not going to read every bullet point, but the last two are very valid because we just witnessed the vice president speak to this.

JVIL writes, if during the encounter something went terribly wrong and the officer used deadly force, there would have been an investigation. As Andrew notes, there's not really. Two, federal officials in the officer's change of command would have said some version of, quote, There's an ongoing investigation, and we will comment once we have all of the facts about

this tragedy. The nation's political leadership would have responded with empathy and calls for calm, forbearance, and unity. And that's just like, we just had the exact opposite of that to a degree that was like unsettling for me because he just goes out there and says, yes, this officer had the right to shoot and kill this person. Even though I don't know why she was there, even though I don't know what her motivation is, I'm going to misrepresent this video and say she was trying to kill him

and he had the right to kill her. That six-year-old orphan is going to watch that video, by the way, too. It's crazy. That's why you don't act like this. Like what? I will just know, and I want to play this, and I'm going to talk at the tail end of this. The video about him blaming the meeting and saying the ICE officer was injured before.

I want to play this because it raises another series of questions for me. I'll pick it up on the other side. Okay. The way that the media by and large has reported this story has been an absolute disgrace and it puts our law enforcement officers at risk every single day. What that headline leaves out is the fact that that very ice officer nearly had his life ended, dragged by a car six months ago, 33 stitches in his legs. So you think maybe he's a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile? What that headline leaves out is that that woman was there to interfere. fear with a legitimate law enforcement operation in the United States of America.

What that headline leaves out is that that woman has as part of a broader left-wing network to attack, to docks, to assault, and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their job. Okay. He doesn't know anything about the woman. Again, he admitted it later on. But the thing that caught my eye was this ICE officer, who apparently has been hit before, had 30 stitches, put in his leg.

And according to J.D. Vance, therefore, is... justified for being trigger-happy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No. No. If this guy, if you think this guy is trigger-happy because he's been hit by a car,

don't put him in a situation like that. That's obvious. Why would you deploy someone who, you admit, is trigger-happy? It's just totally irresponsible. This administration's entire approach to justifying what happened is both kind of repulsive, but also doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me. he's worried about and again i look if this guy got hit in the car in the past that that's horrible and i and i do think that i don't impugn everybody that wants to like these are hard jobs and i

people that want to go do law enforcement sort of the country i respect their they're touchy situations like why is he stand you know what i mean it's like this the theory of the case is that this guy's trigger happy because he got ran by a car before and so what he does is he goes and walks and stands right in front of the driver of this car and starts screaming like i like at them a stationary car like the whole thing doesn't like that this is not an excuse like you have an obligation like you have an obligation as a public servant as somebody that works for all of us for starters to show your face um and number two to use discretion to use undue discretion like like there should be a higher bar for police than for say let's say it was a counter protester that went to stand

in front of her car right and and you get into a moment right again this would not be to excuse that I want to say, like, you're a law enforcement official should be trained. And there have been, I talked with Ryan Grimm about this today. So we'll be out shortly, like, for anybody that's covered police and these sort of incidents, there's training and there are rules about how to deal with moving cars. You're not supposed to shoot at moving cars because it doesn't do anything to stop them. For starters, usually if you shoot somebody and kill them in a moving car, they press the gas, right? So it's not, that is incorrect training.

You know, the people that are public servants are there, should be there to de-escalate situations like this. do everything possible to not create additional violence. And so it is like the opposite of an excuse to say that this person was in a situation where they would be expected to be trigger happy and nervous. It's like, no, they're trained to treat situations like this where you're dealing with somebody who did not have a weapon. And again, she's in her car. People are like, oh, the car's open.

It was like, she didn't have a weapon. Everybody calmly went up to the car, tried to talk to her, and then she storms away. it's like okay that's evading police you have her license plate number you can go to her house and you know try like it's not saying there's so many other ways to deal with this

just so many other ways to do us I want to talk let's play the clip of him talking about capital punishment because this one really like perked my or whatever the phrases got my attention yeah let's pray this one not saying that funding

some of this stuff justifies capital punishment nobody would suggest that the reason this woman is dead is because she tried to ram somebody with her car and that guy acted in self-defense i have so many questions i have so many questions about this what i was hoping was that someone in the white house press car at some point would have said do you believe the capital police a right to shoot ashley babbitt i mean that is what he's saying right like they does he believe they had a right to shoot ashley babbitt and i guarantee you he would have said no but what's the

difference if that's his view of capital punishment for starters she was breaking into capital um so that's one difference but yeah one it's funny that you caught the what caught my ear on that is that like he says the capital punishment isn't the crime for the people that were allegedly funding her that's interesting why was capital punishment the crime for her because she was in his view she was attacking and trying to kill and the police right into our head like she was trying to storm the there's no evidence for that there's like this is why we have a justice system and juries and try like you you you You don't, as an agent of the state, you don't have the right to do summary execution in the street.

Okay. And so if he's not for capital, it's like the whole, like, none of it makes any sense. Like he's trying to like make himself sound as reasonable as possible by doing the condescending schick. But I, yeah, I thought that was interesting. I was like, why did he say that? He's like, oh, it's not a capital punishment crime to, to fund these protests, but it was capital punishment for Renee good. Yeah. I don't know. Andrew, why do you...

Go ahead. Just to go back for one second to the... Just what we were talking about before with the officer supposedly having been through this traumatic thing in the past. The thing that I just found so surreal about watching this, I mean, like, he's up there lying

just sort of blatantly about all this stuff that just happened yesterday on video that we've seen. And like, we're supposed to just buy his framing of, like, a bunch of other stuff that happened long ago I mean, like, this has been a pattern with DHS and a lot of these brushes of law enforcement with or immigration enforcement with protesters and they just lie. They just get up there and they lie and they lie and they lie and they lie and they lie and they lie and like you're in like this no man's land where like you can't check these things and there's never these internal investigations aren't happening.

They're not going forward. There's no accountability. We may never know this guy's name, you know? I mean, like he might just vanish into the system and all you have is, you know, the evidence of your own eyes and the ears on one hand. and then the spin and the lies and the wagon circling coming out of DHS on the other. There was a moment yesterday where they said, and they said, our ICE officers had been shot at, and I mean, I might have missed something, and it's totally possible they have.

And of course, as Tim said, this is tough work. Like, whatever you think about the ICE mission, it is tough work to, like, be put into these situations. I could not for the life of me find the instance of something. ICE officer being shot out. There's been stuff thrown at them for sure, for sure. But that's not an insignificant little detail, right? Like, have you, I couldn't remember an incident where they've been shot at. They've falsely accused people of pulling guns on ICE agents before. This is just something I pulled up from Aaron Reiklin. Pulling guns was different obviously that being shot at.

But it's the dishonesty is the point. I mean, let me just read this. Like, right after Tricia McLaughlin put out her statement, he posts this on X, do not trust this statement, demand that DHS provide hard video evidence of what happened is before the videos were even circulating. In Chicago, after a CPB officer shot a woman, Trisha McLaughlin's first statement claimed she, quote, rammed the car and pulled a gun. Body cam proved this was false and DOJ dropped all charges. I mean, like, they lie and then their lies are disproved, but it doesn't matter. They just keep using those lies as though they're true to support more lies and more lies later and more narratives and more like justifications. And it's just this total edifice of dishonesty and invented narrative.

and this is what's behind the institution that wants to put more and more and more and more of these people on every street corner in America. I mean, am I going crazy? Like, this is their response to the way, I don't know. It's all... No, it's not. They, look, part of this is,

I mean, part of this is they want the outrage because they want people to self-deport. So part of this is, like, actually intentional. Part of it is Orwellian spin and defending themselves and whatever. Part of it is intentional. That's why they do the snuff films because they want people. to be scared. They want people to self-deport.

And so part of this is like bluster, WWE. But like the real life part of it is what you just said, Andrew, it's like, yeah, it's like they're ramping this up. And it was a big piece in the New Republic, I think, a couple years ago on the ramp up of border patrol agents in the first Trump term where they added a bunch of, and just all the problems that were there. Right. And, you know, because it's just like you're hiring much people in a short time, the types of people that were volunteering from it like people got kicked out of police forces and you know this kind of thing and and there were just lots of problems it's like this is where we're at now

where you've got where there there's this huge ramp up they're trying to hire a bunch of ice people instead of being on the border they're in american streets they're in neighborhoods and this is a neighborhood right in Minneapolis proper like like 30-ish blocks from downtown but it's like if you're if you're ramping up about like this is inevitably going to happen right like again like if they, if they were, if there's some more judicious and meticulous process, they wouldn't be putting, even if this is true, it wouldn't be putting somebody that had a bunch of stitches that had been rammed on a car in the situation. They'd find something else to do until, you know, he'd gone through therapy and figured out, you know, and like, been ready to get deployed this other stuff. This other stuff works. Do we even know why they were in the neighborhood? You know what I mean? Like, they're just taking people off and, like, throwing them into city streets. They're not for the stuff they're not trained for. And this guy acted in a way that was against all of the. protocols for training in a situation like this.

Do we, guys, do we know why they, I haven't seen the reporting on this, but do we know why they're in that specific neighborhood? Has that been answered? Vance said in the briefing that they were just doing sort of door-to-door immigration enforcement, it is notable that they have stepped up ice operations in Minnesota in particular due to all of these, you know, fraud stories that are going around and this specific new focus on Somalia immigration up there. The video from the Minneapolis airport yesterday?

like simultaneously it's got lost so simultaneously in all this was happening they have ice agents like going up to the uber and cab drivers at the airport because they got a lot of Somali and uh Somali excuse me Uber drivers and stuff and so they're like these conference there were like these were going it's one of the things they hadn't killed somebody and a different place in Minneapolis this would have been the thing on social media yesterday was that there were a lot of these confrontations with like Somali Uber drivers shouting at Bovino was there and some of their ice agents being like why do I have to show you my license? Like, why are you targeting me? And so I think that they're

just, you know, I've chosen Minneapolis for political reasons. Again, let me add it, let me add to what you're talking about, Tim, because I do think one other element of what they're trying to do here beyond the immigration stuff and the self-deportation stuff is I think they're trying to lay the predicate to a degree to go after liberal institutions that tend to fund, you know, pro-immigration stuff. So you had this moment, and we'll let's queue up the video about who threw the brick. You had this moment where he sort of talks about like, well, who paid for the brick? And it's like, you know, maybe people are paying for bricks and handing them to agitators,

but maybe there are bricks lying around that I got a brick in my backyard right now. Yeah, it's not like, I don't know if people need to like have bricks paid for, but that to me was a real tell. Like they, you know, they want and of course now the actual news here is they hired the special they're going to hire a special counsel or appointing special counsel to look into all this stuff and combine with the Somali fraud stuff that they're doing, they're going to go pretty hard legally on institutions that fund the welfare state and pro-immigration initiatives. And those tend to have ties to liberal funders. And so I think there's a real legal political component here too.

But let's play the brick clip and you guys can react on the other side. In advance, you just suggested that this woman who was killed, Renee Good, is part of a a broader left-wing network. Who do you think is behind this broader left-wing network? Well, it's one of the things we're going to have to figure out. But here's the way that I put it, when somebody throws a brick at an ice agent or somebody tries to run over an ice agent, who paid for the brick? And who told protesters to show up and engage in violent activity against our law enforcement officers? You see, just with this most recent, terrible incident in Minneapolis, you see friends of this woman's or other people who are eyewitnesses saying,

basically that she was there to engage in obstruction of a legitimate law enforcement operation. How did she get there? How did she learn about this? There's an entire network, and frankly, some of the media are participating in it, that is trying to incite violence against our law enforcement officers. It's ridiculous. It's preposterous. And part of our investigatory work is getting to the bottom of it.

Who's funding it? Who's supporting it? Who's cheerleading it? And of course, if there's a legal activity related to that, we're going to get to the bottom of that and prosecute it where we came. we can't. So that's pretty chilling in its own, right? Because basically what we're saying is that we're going to go after constitutionally protected protest in First Amendment rights, right? Yeah, I don't know how else you would read it. I mean, it's, it's, it's the, the, the, the, the, what this is doing

in this argument right here is it's creating sort of like a presumption of like culpability on the part of anybody who ICE might have a brush with anywhere at any point in time where, you know, if things get hairy, the person was a domestic terrorist. I mean, right? That's all it is. And he, again, when pressed, like we played in the clip earlier, he will say

they have absolutely no reason to believe that's actually true other than that they kind of think it might be. They don't know what's in her heart or whatever. But this is an infinitely replicable template for them to say, well, you know, how this person get into this camera, into the

this video frame at all with this ICE agent who is, you know, performing violence on them. Well, it must be something, must be something criminal, must be something that, that shows them to be a terrorist who, who is justified in having state violence applied toward. And like I say, like you, they could apply that to literally any, any, any footage of, of ICE doing anything to anybody. I mean, they've been laying in the predicate if we've gone after groups for a while, Sam. That's right. One of the things I'm surprised didn't happen last year as aggressively as it could have.

going to happen more this year and I interviewed what a couple days ago now I'm Rod Ahmed who you know they tried to pull his green card and deport him because of his advocacy on you know essentially anti-hate speech on the internet and and so that's one way you know you can go after leaders of groups who are you know finding this sort of thing if they're not American citizens if they're here on green cards I would have thought the tax that you know I'm not to give them ideas that this sort a thing would have gone through treasury at this point. But they definitely want to do it. I don't exactly. It's unclear exactly why they haven't, frankly.

Yeah. I'll just say our colleague, Adrian, who writes Subtle Masses, you know, he interviews groups and he's done it in Chicago and elsewhere who do monitor ICE and are trying to look out for ice. And they're doing it because they are trying to protect communities that are going to be harmed by ice and because they do want to organize some sort of protests around ice. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's good, actually. It's good, actually.

It should be happening. Yeah, people have a right to go into your neighborhood in a free country. And again, like her Renee Good's spouse said that she was not an activist, part of an actress. Right. We'll get into that sec, yeah. Yeah, but whatever her role is, in a free country, you're

allowed to go around your neighborhood and blow a whistle, and say, hey, people in the neighborhood, there are cops going door to door here. That is something that's not allowed in China or North Korea, but in a free country, we can do that here, and, you know, execution should not be a punishment for it. 100%. And just the idea that you would, you know, label anything like that, funding terrorism is very, very sinister.

Can I add one more thing on the subject of that specific thing? Because that is an area where they have already actually taken action, right, about against, you know, for instance, a guy who developed an app that would, you know, give you a push notification if there was sightings of ice in your neighborhood or things like that, which is exactly the same as, you know, if you're on Google Maps or whatever, sometimes you'll get like a pop-up, like, hey, there's a speed trap up ahead, something like that, literally exactly the same thing, but they went after this guy legally, they got his app removed from app stores. So, like when we're talking about, you know, possible future action against different groups that are related to this,

obviously, like Tim says, there's a lot more that they could be doing, but they have already begun. And it's all, again, part of this same thing to label with the broadest possible brush anybody who is tangentially involved in doing anything that ICE finds unsavory, a domestic terrorist. I'm going to talk a little bit about Renee Good because I think it's important to remember her and talk about who she was. This person also sort of dispel some of the stuff that J.D. Vance was talking about on there. And then I'm going to play this last clip, which is J.D. Vance talking about who we should express gratitude for. But first about Renee Good. This is just from the Associated Press. It's a piece that came up, looks at her life. She's a 37-year-old mother of three.

She had recently moved to Minnesota, born in Colorado. She had never been charged with anything involving law enforcement beyond a traffic ticket. She was described as a poet, a writer, and a wife and a mom. She said she was currently experiencing Minneapolis displaying a pride flag emoji on her Instagram account. Her ex-husband said she was no activist and that he had never known her to participate in a protest of any kind. He described her as a devoted Christian who took part in youth mission trips to Northern Ireland when she was younger. Malik Good or Mackling Good, I should say, leaves behind three children, a daughter and her son from her first. marriage who are now ages 15 and 12 and a six-year-old son from her second marriage who's now

orphaned. J.D. Vance says he doesn't know anything about what was in her heart in that moment, but he knows enough that she should have been killed because she drove in the wrong direction. I want to leave on this last clip of J.D. Vance talking about gratitude. Let's play it. Afterwards, Andrew you go and then Tim, you close us out. Everybody's saying a prayer for that agent. Look, In the past six months, he has been hit twice by a motor vehicle. One time, the first time, it led to over 30 stitches and very serious injuries to his legs. This is a guy who's actually done a very, very important job for the United States of America. He's been assaulted. He's been attacked. He's been injured because of it.

He deserves a debt of gratitude. And I think the media prejudging and talking about this guy as if he's a murderer is one of the most disgraceful things I've ever seen for the American media. Andrew? I don't know, man. Fuck him. Like, what an insect. Like, just,

he can't say the investigation's ongoing. He can't say, we're going to get to the bottom of what happened. We have to, we have to, that's it. Just, it's the vice president.

Yeah, I think, it's a can't, it's not real. It's not even real. Okay, going back to the Obama, Trevant thing,

like, at least I felt like Obama was being genuine. He did feel genuine emotion for that person. Just is JD Vance being a fucking prick. Like, he doesn't, he doesn't really feel a debt of gratitude for this guy like it's all a performative political positioning that he's doing it he's not expressing any genuine empathy for the victim and um you know

again having the back of law enforcement in tough situations is one thing uh but like this guy that that shot rene good did so like if you just look at this the still shots like the second and third shot that he that he released from his gun happened when she was like dead but also well past him like he's on the side of the car like to the second and third bullets going through the side window so like the you know jd vans trying to use him and martyr him and what kyle wittenhouse him or whatever for political ends and pretending like he's doing it out of some genuine gratitude is fucking appalling and despicable and that's just what we've going to expect from our vice president yeah

definitely depressing press conference for sure, but totally expected. I went into it being like I knew exactly what he was going to do. Everyone knew he was going to do, to your point, it was so performative, so predictable. The worst one for me, worse than Zelensky, I think for me, the worst one. Well, Linsky, I, Linsky was like an odd one because I thought there might be confrontation, but it was like peaceful for a little while, and then it got confrontational. This one, it was just like, everyone knew if J.D.

Hans was going to be called there. He was going to scream at the press. I'm going to take the guy's side. He's going to call us, you know, and traitors and insufferable lunatics for thinking that this was anything other than self-defense. And it's just like, you could have just emailed it in. Just emailed the press release. All right. I don't have anything more to say except for this.

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