Bulwark Takes - CPAC Leaders Claim It’s “Packed”—The Footage Says Otherwise | MAGA Mondays

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Will Sommer and Andrew Egger are going live to cover a strange weekend at CPAC, where sparse crowds, defensive spin, and open infighting raised questions about where the MAGA movement stands right now. Plus: Clavicular went to jail...again!

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after 20 gigas a month. I think we're live, yeah. All right. Everybody. Welcome, welcome to Monday. I am, I'm Andrew Eger. I'm filling in for Sam Stein, who usually sits in the chair right here to talk to Will Summer,

our MAGA media reporter about, usually I think the way this show is built is the stuff that went on online over the weekend. It's a little different this time around. We're having kind of a meat space MAGA Mondays because a lot of the MAGA people were showing up in person. But I think, I actually don't know why Sam is gone. I assume maybe like Yukon's win. Well, I was checking, apparently he said he has to spend more time looks maxing.

Related to, he read one of our topics this week. And he said, oh my gosh, do you think that hitting your face in the bone, you're hitting yourself in the face where the hammer works? And I said, Sam, don't believe it. But anyways, that's why he dropped off. Yes. So we'll be really excited to have Sam back here next week. You know, jaw line, much improved from before.

I'm also excited to be here just at a point of personal privilege. Everybody is always getting Will and me mixed up on our videos. They're always calling me Will and him, Andrew, and it's a big problem. So if you're watching out there right now, maybe you can use this opportunity to sort of memorize various differentiations in our facial features. We are both sort of pale and gingerly, but we actually, you know, we're not completely carbon copies of one another, and you can carry that forward with you into all forthcoming bulwark content. But the first thing we're here to talk about to actually get into the thing that I said, Meet Space Maga Mondays.

And the reason for that is because the conservative political action conference has been meeting. Are they finished now, Will? Yeah, they're done. I believe they started on Thursday and finished on Saturday. Okay. So we just wrapped up the latest, the latest CPAC. CPEC is a bizarre beast. I used to cover it myself year after year.

Once upon a time, sort of like a meeting of the minds, which was sort of build that way as like, let's all get together and talk about policy thing. More and more over the years sort of turned into, let's just meet all of our favorite stars from right-wing media and just try to have a little confab. And then not just our favorite stars from right-wing media, but also our favorite right-wing lunatics.

And then it kind of turned into a giant Trump fest. And it's been sort of strange. I haven't been to CPAC in a little while. Will, can you just kind of give me like a flavor of what the deal is with CPAC these days? What's kind of the space that it occupies in the right-wing media world right now? Well, so this is the question I hope we can get to the bottom of today. You know, on one hand, I think after Charlie Kirk's assassination, there was so much talk about Turning Point USA,

and people were saying America Fest, which is sort of like their big conference, has eclipsed CPAC over the past few years. And I think people were more or less right about that. But I was like, well, is that really true? Is CPAC really, you know, in the trash? And the answer, I think, after this weekend, is yes, CPAC is over. It's washed. It's unk. Whatever they say, the Gen Z people say. You know, it is this, typically CPAC, which of course stands for the conservative political action conference. I mean, this used to be the annual big gathering. The straw poll mattered a lot about like who would be the next presidential contender from the right. But now I think we're seeing that, that, that CPAC is kind of tired. Look, we still got a lot of crazy lunatics. I mean, we got day one, we got a confrontation between Elijah Schaefer, who's a guy I've written a lot about, kind of the trad guy on the skids after his affair was revealed,

and a guy named Current Revolt, who's kind of like a right winger, who does a great job terrorizing these guys with reporting on them. And at one point, he asked one of Elijah's minions, he said, are you twink number one or twink number two? Because Elijah hangs out with all these young men, and the guy said, I'm twink number one. one, pal. There was a lot of weirdness that we'll get into. But I think overall, the broader thing is like, I think both CPAC and I think the MAGA movement more broadly, I think we're seeing this kind of lack of energy, this division is really getting to people. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's kind of funny because like we, we sort of in the outside pundit space have sort of been developing this feeling about CPAC for a number of years. Like you show up and you take in all the

programming and you're like, what did we really learn? And, like, was there any point to it? And you'll see think pieces like, do we all spend too much time, paying attention to CPAC, that kind of thing. But this was, like, the first time that at least I personally witnessed CPAC attendees making some of these similar sort of arguments. I don't know, maybe we can play that Patriots Prey clip here. Yes, this guy's like a sort of random, you know, right-wing influencer with like 30,000 followers.

So sort of like a C-tier type guy. But even he, this is the guy who in the past would just be like, I'm sure like, oh, Matt Schlapp, like, you're the king, man. Like, you know, get me on the good podcast. That's Match Slap the head of CPAC. But now he's just trash in the place. I think he's sensing that the direction to be going in is kind of distancing yourself from the traditional MAGA movement. So let's play that clip.

This is how much I'm standing on what I believe. I left out of the event. I was backstage. I was backstage with Ted Cruz. I was backstage with everybody. And I confronted them on what they're doing here. And the lies that they're telling you guys about the rooms being full, they're not full. They're bullshit.

This is supposed to be in America First Movement? It's not. There are more other country's flags here than American flags here. And I refuse to stand next to the bullshit. CPAC is falling. I won't tie my brand next to it. This is trash. All right.

So for what it's worth, the Patriot Prayer brand, the prayerful Patriot, that brand is no longer associated with CPAC. What did you make of that, Andrew? Can I just say, I think there's a zero percent chance that that's true that other countries' flags are dwarfing America. I mean, like, maybe, maybe, who knows? Maybe you've seen stuff on this. CPAC, a very star-spangled sort of event as far as every, I mean, like ostentatiously, ludicrously so, anytime I've ever been there in the past. But maybe it's changed. Has it changed, well?

Well, let's build on that. So when someone says there's too many foreign flags here, my mind instantly goes to Israel, right? and the idea that, you know, Israel is dominating Donald Trump, this kind of growing wave of anti-Israel and often anti-Semitic criticism in the party. But I think there's actually something else at play here, which is that CPAC this year was a huge stage for Reza Pahlavi, the sort of the man who would be Shah of Iran. And so I think when he's saying, you know, that that is who CPAC, there's too many foreign flags. I think it's often about these kind of Iranian diaspora people who are the only ones who were really showing any kind of energy at CPAC. This is, of course, the Shah's son, I guess, who spoke and is sort of positioning himself as like the American puppet who could be installed. And, you know, that there's a lot of pictures of like semi-empty rooms at CPAC, but the Shah, the would-be Shah had a really packed room.

And then, of course, as soon as he's gone, everyone's gone. And I think, like I said, I think these are Iranians living in the United States. I don't think that there's this natural grassroots, typical Trump conservative. outpouring for raise up a lobby. Yeah, yeah. I mean, and when you talk about like, quote unquote, typical Trump conservative stuff anywhere at CPAC, I mean, that's always been one of the weird things about it is like it, the sample that it draws from, even though, like, media people like us, have tried to sort of use it as sort of a barometer of grassroots opinion, like the straw pole, stuff like that you were talking about before, just because it's easy, you know,

it's like, you could go out into the world and spend a lot of time, like, trying to do, you know, really careful polling and, and, you know, man on the street interviews for, for anecdotes, like out there in the, out there in the, in flyover country, in the sticks. Or, you know, if you're like a DC reporter, you could just wait for CPAC and wait for, you know, a bunch of, you know, red hat wearing people who, who, you know, watch a lot of Fox News to sort of travel in. And then you could just mill around in the, at the Gaylord Hotel in Oxon Hill, Maryland and, and, you know, talk to some of them and see what they clap at and see what they clap at and see what they don't clap at and see you how they vote in the straw poll. And it was like pre-packed and it was

easy. And that was sort of the, that was sort of part of the mystique that like Matt Schlapp was selling about the event is like, is like, it's actually good for the media to come and like find out what real America is all about. But even before, it was sort of, it was the whatever insane sort of micro sub-slic of quote-unquote real America was willing to travel across the country like to, to, and pay a bunch of money to like meet Benchapen. hero. You know, like, that, that's, like, the, the kind of people that it was that it was polling from. And even though they were, like, you know, from the Texas Panhandle or whatever, that didn't necessarily make them any more representative than that, than they had been before.

And I feel like now, you know, as, as CPAC has sort of receded further into the, like, even, even more so than ever, now it's just sort of, like, long-time fans of CPAC itself are what, are the people who come to CPAC? And, and, and, and, and, I don't know, like, am I crazy about, like, it just doesn't seem like it was ever. really representative, but like especially in this moment now. Yeah, no, I think you're right on, and I think it's particularly unrepresentative at this moment. You know, number

one, like we haven't even mentioned Matt Schlapp had these kind of sexual assault allegations and, you know, these accusations that he was attacking men and sort of pouncing on them, which I think has kind of hurt the broader Schlapp family brand. You know, it's right, I think his power is diminished in Washington

and kind of in the broader conservative movement. But, you know, in terms of CPAC as a representation, said, I mean, this was like the party hardcore, but also people who were like willing to, like, fly to, you know, Prince George's County, go to National Harbor and, you know, as you said, to meet like a cool blogger that they like. On the other hand, I think it's even less representative now when the GOP is really splitting along these lines, these Nick Fuentes lines, these, you know, I don't even think Groyper's really bothered managing to trying to sneak in or anything this year. I mean, I think that's really the ultimate sign that it doesn't matter when Nick Fuentes is. and getting frog marched out. You know, to that end, Josh Hammer, who's very much on kind of like the pro-Israel side,

he raised what we know is kind of the roiling, right-wing podcast Civil War if we could play that clip. Get that in. I don't know for a fact. I wonder whether Matt, we tried to get the Josh Hammer clip thrown in at the very last second here. Matt, feel free to, you know, just drop that in.

I'm going to be talking about it. But I will just talk about it until we get it up. And basically what you have is Josh Hammer. He is this, he's a sort of national conservative guy, you know, very sort of critic of sort of like fusionism and the preexisting sort of Bush conservative consensus or whatever. But he's also, he's Jewish. He's very pro-Israel. And he kind of part of his whole kind of the niche he's found himself in in the sort of modern new right space is saying, sure, maybe we should be a little less like liberal. Maybe we should be a little less. You know, a little more hostile to. I think we have that clip. Let's run that clip. Oh, cool. Let's do it.

Retard right denizens of podcastistan reject the fundamental essence, however, of MAGA. Much like the neo-Marxist left, the retard right does think America was ever great. And they certainly don't think that America is capable of being made great once again. They are therefore explicitly anti-Maga. In fact, they are actually just anti-American. shot's trying to get edgy there you know he's dropping the r word like like this is this guy's kind of finding himself on the wrong side of the divide right because he's like pro israel he's you know i think

correctly opposed to the rise of anti-semitism in the party uh but he's like but he knows that the dynamism unfortunately is with the groopers is with megan kelly who's aligned herself there with kandis ohens so he's like how do i win the gen z back well i guess i could use some slurs i suppose so and you know he's dropping that. And you can tell the audience, they're either not with it or they're just like, what is this guy talking about? Like podcast to stand? So I think this is, you know, we saw some of this Civil War stuff kind of creeping out at CPAC as well. Yeah, I mean, this particular one is so fascinating to me because the lines are so messy, right? And I think like guys like Josh Hammer or guys like, you know, the radio host Mark Levin, who are a lot more hawkish, who are a lot more sort of

classically anti-Iran and think, you know, we need to go over there. and just, you know, flex and take out the Ayatollahs and smash their nuclear program, all that sort of stuff. I mean, you're right that the dynamism in the party is 100% the opposite direction. You know, they probably still have like a majority, you know, the median Republican MAGA guy is with them on that stuff, but all the movement, all the growth is on the other side of the coin. But Donald Trump has sort of shown himself personally, recently, to be extraordinarily anti-Iran, right? Like, he's right there with them. He's deploying their strategies. And so, So it's given them this weird opportunity to really sort of rally around the flag of Trump and say, you know, it's the Megan Kelly's of the world and it's the Tucker Carlson's of the world who are the weirdos and the ones who are not MAGA and they're the ones who you should think of as rhinos and kick to the curb and fire out of the coalition.

And it's it's weird because sometimes it seems like Trump is with them and he's obviously with them on the substance here. Like a couple weeks ago, he, you know, Megan Kelly and Mark Levin were going at it in insanely personal terms at one another. maybe you guys talked about it on another mega Mondays before where we're making little micropinous thing yeah yeah and they were going at it again this weekend i mean they're they're you know let's keep things above the belt that's what i would say to them i mean they're really going for it but donald trump you know in the midst of that fight he fires off a truth social post that's just like back in mark levin to the hilt he's the great one you know he's one of the best we've got and then at the same time you have this josh hammer versus you know podcast to stand fight and you have trump staffers young

like Gen Z Trump staffers like Alec Brunswick who are saying, who does Josh Hammer think he is, you know, to declare himself the arbiter of who's MAGA and who's not? Like, is there any through line to the, like, how do you tease out this weird, like, muddy intra-right fight? You know, Sam and I were talking about maybe I should do a thing with like a whiteboard and we put the faces on and we kind of show who's feuding with who. Because it's interesting.

I mean, like, let's take this fight over like, is CPAC dead, right? On one hand, you have a lot of the Groyper's, you have these far-right figures who are very opposed to the kind of establishment brand represented by Match Lap and CPAC. We're saying, CPAC is over. On the other hand, you have someone like Laura Lumer,

who sees J.D. Vance win the straw pole. Now, Laura Lumer is opposed to J.D. Vance, essentially, because he's seen as a more isolationist, more Israel skeptical candidate. She says only 10 people went to CPAC this year. So this is totally irrelevant. Now, Mershady Slap, this is like a tongue twister, all these slaps. She is Matt Schlapp's wife and sort of a,

a Republican operator in her own right. And she posts a picture of Long-suffering wife, Mercedes. Yes, long-suffering is right. And what is basically still to me, like a third empty room? And she's like, oh, yeah, no one went to Z-PAC? I mean, you can tell. I mean, that's not that big of a room. I've seen, you know, certainly bigger Cirque to Salaid performances and things like.

I mean, this is not like, to me, the face of a party that is going to, like, go beast mode on the midterms. So there's kind of this few. Great, we can take that down. Thanks. there is this sense of kind of just like bad feelings all around, I would say. And actually, if we could, the other thing to jump off of here is, so Josh Hammer is saying, essentially, get in line with Trump. We love the war, you know, quiet podcastist. On the other hand, Brandon Straca. Now this guy, this is the guy who founded the walk away movement. Now,

what do you walk away from, the Democratic Party? Because he was a gay hairdresser. This was maybe a decade ago at this point. This is the guy who's very much a creature of the modern Trumpist Republican party. He gets up there and he says, Trumpism has become a personality cult. We got to stop attacking people like Marjorie Taylor Green, who's my buddy. So I don't know if we can play that clip. Let me tell you something. If you call yourself a patriot, but you believe that it is your obligation to only praise and only worship your president, then you must not be a patriot of this country because leader worship is how citizens behave in nations that aren't free. So that's pretty interesting. there. I mean, and he's getting beyond the like, I'm not happy with Israel stuff that we're seeing.

He's getting into like, this is Trumpism is a personality cult. We need to get away from it, which is kind of crazy to be saying at CPAC for a guy who, by the way, was charged after January 6th for his role in the riot. I mean, this is, this is not a like Trump milk toast guy. I love the idea that that, that specifically that pitch that Trump is, Trumpism is now becoming a personality cult. Like, look, we had a long run. We got a lot. of good stuff done with MAGA, but now 10 years in, there are worrying signs that actually this is all just sort of like scaffolding that we're all trying to put up around one guy. And maybe there's not a lot of like actual intellectual underpinning here at all.

And maybe it is really just this, just this one big president and the things he wants to see happen. It's a little easier, I guess, to feel that once Donald Trump swerves away from a specific promise that you really liked and throws in with, with the war people instead of the anti-war people. I mean, is this, do you see this sort of thing as like genuine? see this sort of thing as like an actual like revelation to guys like this or is it purely just sort of posturing for like the coalitional fights that are coming you know next i mean i think

it's interesting i mean i think the brand of it all is intriguing because this is a guy who is is relatively unique he likes in fighting a lot he's feuding with scott prezler people may remember as the another gay man with very luxurious locks who um who does voter registration and Brandon Strachia, I think, basically thinks that Scott Pressler ate his nachos and kind of stole his whole stick. But it's also kind of a Megan Kelly situation where I think we're seeing people who very much kind of go which way the wind blows and thrive by being like about a half step ahead of the mood of the party. And he's saying, oh boy, I better not get up there and say, you know, it's time to seize Karg Island up with the Shah. You know, he's saying, oh, you know, I got to start getting a little Trump critical, which if I'm the Trump administration, I'm like, what the heck the walkaway guy is walking away from us? That's not a good sign.

Yeah, yeah, man. It's a, every time, every time we talk about this stuff, first of all, I'm like picturing people out in the audience sort of like trying to like furiously get down everybody's name. And like, I guess here's another guy I need to pay attention to another mega character I need to have in my, in my rolodex or my constellation of all these chuds. And then, and then on the other hand, it just keeps coming back to me over and over again, how crazy it is that we basically do have like a party that is a hundred percent just sort of all the conversation is filtered through these influencers who like, I mean, just every bit about it is like getting market share and like elbowing each other out of the way. And, you know, all these policy fights are sort of downstream from that. And a lot of it has to do

with loyalty to Trump, but now less so than before. And there's, there's different strategies in terms of maybe now you can inch a little further away and be like, I'm not like one of those guys who just dines out on my loyalty to Trump. I'm a real guy. I'm a free thinker. I mean, maybe, maybe I overthink it because I'm online a lot like you are, but it really does seem like this is sort of the beating heart of the way that these fights play out in Republican politics right now. No, I mean, I think it is. And look, I mean, the audience, you don't have to worry about Brandon Straca. Trust me, that's what we're here for. We'll let you know. We'll let you know when he resurfaces, right? Okay, I think should we move on to what people really came here for? That's, which is to say, the many misdeeds of clavicular.

Yes, yes. Long time, long time Maga Munday's heads. The man who needs no introduction for these guys, Clivocular, the looks maxed. George, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been quietly taking tips from him. You're like Sam, like we said at the top, Sam's going to come back next week, jawline enhanced, and we'll be right behind him. What's our buddy Clivocular been up to, Will? Yeah, so Clivicular, as you said, I mean, this is a guy who is this sort of quasi-fascist

adjacent figure who's famous for looks maxing. He'll go to any links to look handsome. And so he'll smoke meth to pick up girls at the club. He'll take all these weird drugs. And so clavicular, you know, he had obviously a big spate of news, I think about a month ago. We wrote about him. The New York Times wrote about him, whatever. But now he's kind of been doing his thing.

He's doing, I think, 30 days of clavicular madness to try to kind of stay in the spotlight. But there was maybe a bit too much clavicular madness. So on Thursday night, clavicular was arrested. This was right after he had done. he had shot up a dead crocodile or alligator, I suppose. Yep, there's the, there's the, yeah, let's, oh, let's take that down, poor gator. But that's kind of what it looked like. I mean, I do think a lot of clavicular's behavior can be explained by the fact that he, I mean, he's very open about this. He's on enormous amounts of drugs at all times, a lot of which reduce your inhibitions. And so I think

this is very good for picking up girls in the club, but I think it's also bad if you don't want to mag dump into a gator online on, you know, camera. So that's where we're at. So he was arrested and people thought it was about the gator, but it was in fact about something else. Say more. Sure. So about a month ago,

clavicular, this was when I was writing about him. And it was sort of like there was this incident involving an influencer named Jenny Popatch. And look, I mean, you know, you talk about people we don't need to worry about, right?

This is someone who exists in a totally different kind of like, you know, character realm. But basically, what appeared to happen was clavicular, he had this girlfriend. And he felt, not Jenny. This is another woman. He was on camera saying to his girlfriend, because he's always live streaming, right? And he's saying, like, the audience thinks you're boring. You know, you're never creating drama on the stream.

And by the way, clivocular is also out, like, always hooking up with girls, right? And so what's up with his girlfriend? Why? I guess she doesn't care. So then he gets this Jenny Popatch woman, not Jenny Popat, right? Jenny Popatch. And he brings her back to his house seemingly to be like, maybe you want to hook up with clavicular or like party at the house. And then the girlfriend emerges. And so it seems like he kind of set her up for this drama. And then the girlfriend's like, get away from my looks, maxer. And then they start just brawling, right? And keep in mind, like, clivocula has all these security, all these middle age men who are like, oh, brother, they're not getting involved. So basically she filed a police report, Jenny did. I think with the allegation that like clavicular kind of, kind of. And of lured me into this situation to get beat up. And that is what he got arrested over. However, he's also being invested for the alligator thing. Can we throw that tweet up? Yeah. So here it says

the Florida Wildlife, I think, Commission is aware of a video depicting individuals in the Everglades on an airboat who are discharging firearms at an alligator. Okay, we can, so they say they're looking into it. So we can take that down. But basically, you know, you never want, you know, some like Wildlife Commission looking into you, you know, because that stuff, I mean, that's like car all hyacin novel situations and or orchid thief, right? So I would say, clavicular, watch out. I do like the idea that, I don't know, it just seems like a strange collision of worlds to me to have your influencers who are all so influenced or so, so their whole world is this, you know, aesthetics maxing that they are, they're getting themselves, you know,

to the hottest possible frame, and they're carving everything else away so that they can go into the Everglades and shoot at Wildlife, which seems to me like you didn't have to do all that. You can go into the Everglades and shoot at Wildlife and not stream yourself. You know, like you can go out in nature and sort of participate in America's great, you know, poor gun safety tradition and, you know, get hopped up on drugs. You can do all that without even the looks maxing part. That's a whole separate American tradition that clavicular appears now to be dabbling in. Well, you know, the gun has always been interesting.

We're obviously familiar with the term Chekhov's gun. We've been dealing with clavicular's gun for a while, where the gun is kind of floating out there in an ominous way. Like he, at one point, you know, he would be like kind of checking it when hanging out on the party bus or he'd be aiming it at someone he felt was harassing him. And so now this may be kind of the ultimate clavicular gun incident that brings him down in the end. And, you know, you kind of pointed this. There's also this thing about clavicular where people, everyone he hangs out with, he seems to hate. Like, and he sort of seems like, it's sort of like if they took you or I and were like, all right, hang out on this Miami party bus. I'm going to be like, oh, brother.

You know, there was this clip of him talking to a girl from Syria. And he said, oh, like, what do you think of the Syrian Civil War? And she was like, what? Like, I don't know about it. And it was almost like he was like, well, what do you think of the Alnusra front? Like he was ready to jump in on it. So I think he remains trapped in a prison of his own devising. And he's a, again, why does he matter?

Well, he's kind of this face of this kind of nihilistic right wing world. And what do you make of that? Well, that is such a good question because I genuinely don't know. Like I understand that this guy has this sort of like political valence to him where he's, you know, he's hanging out with all these or he was, at least for a brief moment, hanging out with all these like political streamers, you know, guys like Nick Fuentes or guys like Andrew Tate, you know, who make this sort of horrible revenchist right wing politics sort of like a lifestyle brand where it's where it's basically like, you know, it's all sort of like of like of a piece. You're going to be horrible to women and you're going to vote, you know, fascist and, and, and that's

how you're going to sort of like achieve self-actualization and be happy and also by consuming a lot of Andrew Tate and Nick Quintess and Clivoculars content. But also, he has, it doesn't seem like he has any like actual political aims. You know, he's just like this guy who's sort of emerged like blinking in the sunlight into this space. And, you know, when he has been asked by like, you know, right wing podcasts about, you know, how he actually sees politics, he'll say weird stuff like, you know, I totally vote for Gavin Newsome over J.D. Vance because J.D. Vance is sort of overweight and has a recessed side profile. And, and Gavin Newsom is sort of hot and has good hair and all that stuff. And so like, is it still true that this?

guy sort of actually represents anything like right-wing and political, or was that just sort of like a weird blip in the development of clavicular looks-maxing streamer who just sort of brushed up against politics for a weird second? No, I think clivocular is still very much a sort of right-wing reactionary character. You know, he very much represents this world where like, given this nihilism, this idea that young men, you have, the world is stacked against you in this kind of extreme way that you have to go to. I mean, it's very depressing hearing the talk where it's like, it's not about, you know, finding love by developing your personality or interest, being someone, you know, someone would like to be married to, but it's like, no, you need to smoke meth. You know, that's a pretty dark image. And he's still hanging out with these people. But, you know, you mentioned the Vance thing. And I think this points to, people might be saying, well, who cares about clavicular? You know, he's this, obviously, he's an odd character. But I would like to point to his influence in our national discourse. People have noticed over the past few weeks that J.D. Vance has lost a lot of of weight. There's been speculation. Is J.D. Vance on Reda True Tribe? The sort of the new level of Ozempic. Now, look, I don't think that's true. I don't know. But he has slimmed down, and you can

kind of mark it, too, when J.D. Vance said Gavin Newsom monged, or excuse me, when Clivocular said J.D. Vance mogged, or Newsom mowed J.D. Vance, saying that he was much more handsome, right? And that J.D. Vance had some pounds to lose. So did that prompt J.D. Vance to go on a diet and maybe get into some gLP ones? I don't know. It is really crazy the degree to which sort of everybody living extremely online has totally flattened out the world where

like anybody who goes mega viral, the vice president's going to see it. Or like and it's not just like weird little stuff like this. I mean it's just to pull one other random example. Donald Trump appears to have gotten his idea to send ice to airports from

a random lady who called into you know, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton's podcast and suggested that, you know, several days before, you know, and then Clay Travis goes on Fox News and he brings it up and these clips go viral on the internet and then lo and behold, ICE is actually marching into airports. I mean, the internet and the, the way that it connects things to other things in a way that you wouldn't necessarily expect and it goes around the preexisting networks and the, you know who you know stuff matters so much less because, you know, if you happen to get an algorithmic hit, somebody in the White House is probably going to

see it. And maybe they'll even, Maybe they'll even send ice to an airport or maybe they'll even start poppin OZempic or injecting. I guess you inject Ozympic. You don't pop it. That's my understanding. I think that's right. Whatever. It doesn't matter.

But yeah, I mean, you're right. I mean, and we know J.D. Vance is a very online guy already. So there's no way someone wasn't like Mr. Vice President. You know, they say you're a moid who's getting mocked. I mean, he definitely saw that. Yeah. An impediment has arisen, J.D. There's a, there's a problem you've got on your hands.

You won the seat back straw poll, but we got some bad news. Right, right, right. Yeah, I do wonder if that is some small comfort to JD in this trying time, although Marco Rubio nipping at his heels in that CPEC's drop hole. Okay, thanks, well, as always, for coming on and talking through all this stuff. Is there anything else we need to hit before we, before we split? I don't think so. I mean, look, we got another false flag coming out tonight, sign up. You know, it's going to be about Mike Cernovich and his newfound criticism of Trump. So that should be exciting. You know, ayahuasca maybe plays a role. So check it out. You know, as always, thank you. you everyone for joining magma monday we'll be back next week