Bulwark Takes - Elon’s 3AM Walk of Shame Over Trump

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Andrew Egger and Will Sommer break down Elon Musk’s 3AM apology to Donald Trump after pushing Epstein conspiracy theories. What started as a slapfight turned into a loyalty test and the MAGA influencers are scrambling.

Hi, this is Andrew Egger with the Bullwork. It was the catfight heard around the world. It seems to be over. Elon Musk hopping on Twitter bright and early this morning, a little too early, a little too late, some might say around 3 a.m. to say this. He regrets a few of the things he said about Donald Trump last week. Might have gone a little too far perhaps with some of those accusations of potential pedophilia and things like that, association with Jeffrey Epstein, insinuations that he had betrayed campaign promises about the big beautiful bill. He didn't say, leaves it up to our imagination. He's backing off. Here to talk about it a little bit, our conservative media correspondent, Will Sommer. Will, how you doing today?

Good. I mean, Elon is, as you said, I mean, he's tweeting at like 3 a.m. I assume this was really weighing on his soul, you know, and he just he was up all night. He said, I just have to apologize. He's in he's he's at the the Musk compound with all of his, you know, 58 children down there, wherever that is in Texas, he's tossing and turning. It's weighing on his conscience. He has to pop up and and log on and and unburden himself a little bit. What were you up to at 3 a.m this morning, Will? I have to say I was sleeping and I think noticeably less ketamine than allegedly may have been involved in this tweet. So you know, it's

interesting here. So this tweet, he says, you know, some of my tweets yesterday or last week about Trump went too far. Now, I think we assume that probably includes his allegation that Trump is covering up the Epstein files because he's in them, but he doesn't say that explicitly, right? Like maybe he was just like, oh, I was a little harsh on him about the deficit, but the Epstein stuff still stands.

Yeah, I mean, to my mind, the Epstein stuff is the only thing on which he does not have Trump absolutely dead to rights, right? I mean, like almost all that stuff that was just like criticisms of the of the bill for not doing not following through on Trump's campaign promises about the deficit and all this.

I mean, that stuff's all true. You know, Republicans are totally cucked on on this this issue of, you know, promising to rein in, you know, these runaway deficits that are supposedly so explosive. I think they are. I'm not saying supposedly they are. They're bad deficits. They should do something about them. But but this bill doesn't.

This bill moves pretty emphatically in the opposite direction. But when he started throwing around that Epstein stuff, I was like, has Elon jumped the shark a little bit? What's the, there aren't, there's no such thing as this giant treasure trove of unreleased Epstein files. It's this kind of mass hallucination on parts of the right. So while it was kind of fun to see it happen,

it was also like, what's Elon up to here here? Like, what is he doing other than just sort of lashing out? Well, yeah, I mean, I think I think we have to kind of put ourselves in the mindset of that world, where we have to assume the Epstein client list does exist, even though it obviously doesn't really win. As you said, I mean, that you know, that was maybe a five or six hour stretch that fighting when it initially started. Oh, you know, he's saying Trump's feckless, whatever. Oh, it's getting a little spicy. And then I saw the must tweet as we all did.

And I just thought, or excuse me, the Epstein tweet and I thought, whoa, OK, it's like he's pulled out a gun basically in the fight. You know, these guys are are shoving each other. He's like, whoa. And so and that, I think, for for a lot of people was kind of a line too far. On one hand, it's definitely going for kind of the nuclear option. And I think that was really sort of forced people to choose. Like, do you support Elon or do you support Trump? Now, pretty much everyone, and then Elon, I believe, also said Trump should

resign and be impeached, or he supported Elon, Ian Miles Chong, who's kind of a right-wing figure, his call for that. So at that point, I think people like, like cat turned the kind of prominent MAGA figure, he kind of led the charge is like, All right, guys, we got to get off the silence here. We got to support Trump. Because if it's just accepted, the Trump isn't the Epstein files like it's over for us. Like if that becomes like an acceptable topic of debate, like you reasonable people can disagree. And so I think that's where

Elon's retreating now. I mean, it is at the same time though. I mean, he's not saying it's untrue. He's not saying I lied or like, you know, saying I went too far. It's like, all right, so number one, did you falsely call Trump a pedophile? Or two, if you didn't, are you now just like,

all right, I'm sorry, I beefed with the pedophile, I'm backing off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's still an accused pedophile. Outstanding questions remain about that. But but he's not so sure he wants him to resign or be. It's just like kind of it's a lot of drama for me to bring it up. So I'm just going to back off. I have. And then I mean, the reality is that you could take it even further and say, you know, for my business interests, I need to stop acknowledging that this man is a pedophile, you know, for his point of view. And I mean, the, the other thing about the

Epstein allegation that like, I think, pretty quickly undermined Elon, is that we have all these videos of acts, Elon's kid hanging out alone with Trump. And so on one hand, you know, I think a lot of the Trump supporters were quick to point out, okay, if Elon's this guy's a pedophile, what's he doing? You can go hang out with my kid, though, have this kind of avuncular role with him.

So I think Elon, even in terms of defending his argument, he got a little over his skis here, which he's recognizing now. Yeah, yeah. So let's talk a little bit about the reaction to all of that, because it was so funny. It was really, honestly honestly just very funny last week when they were beefing to see all of these right-wing influencers whose entire brand is just always punch, punch,

punch, punch, punch. They don't hardly do anything other than that. That's the point of their, that's their role in the ecosystem. For them all to pivot very suddenly to no guys, it's okay. You can work this out. Get on the phone. Make peace. This is deeply uncomfortable for all of us. I assume there's a kind of mass sigh of relief over some of this stuff now. Although guys like Cattert, at least the last I saw, were like, no forgiveness for Elon, an unpardonable sin, you know, that he you can never come back from from saying Donald Trump is in the Epstein. Add here.

Yeah. So there is division. I mean, yeah, they're taking back to like the original fight. I mean, as you said, some of the a lot of these are kind of right wing media personalities who have reputations as like Trump knife fighters, they're going to do the dirty work that the president and his people is you know Associates in office can't do Laura Loomer is gonna dig up dirt on some judges daughter or whatever I mean like like they're really gonna go for it But then when Elon and Trump were fighting there's a lot of like, oh ha ha

Oh those boys sure love to rough house like you know, cuz they have interest on either side, you know They get money from X Elon can you know Take them on a big trip or he could fund some project of theirs on the other hand like, you know They can't get on the wrong side of Trump either but you know now we're seeing I think the initial reaction to this Elon thing is a lot of like You know, I saw a guy Benson You know it's initially very muted because a lot of times the reality is these people will kind of at bet, you know

It's in their best interest like kind of avoid it because they don't want to be like, Elon eating shit. Welcome back loser, you know, they don't want to be Kim mad still. But so I saw a guy Benson from town hall was saying, Elon appears to be backing off of you know, his earlier clients. Yeah, you think it's literally what he says, you know, I had to go over to the former It's literally what he says, you know, I had to go over to the former The Donald page Patriots dot win for the forum there And I think the reaction there was a lot of like Elon is welcome back But it had reduced role or you know, we have to kind of keep a lot more of an eye on him You know, I would be remiss if I forgot to mention like the greatest take on this whole thing which was

You know during the the initial spat when Jack Bosova one of these right wing figures, came out and said, you know, this is simply a phallocentric dispute. This is how men fight. You know, I mean, he said he said, well, I was sitting here preparing to mention that exact tweet because I totally agree. It was the funniest. The phallocentric. Man, he said, he said, like, these are men, like, you

know, with their dicks out, and they're fighting in a forward facing way, not a gyno sent like what? And I mean, look, I mean, it's obviously iconic. I mean, it's one of the greatest posts ever. But but you know, it's people were losing their minds, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know how how a possobiac how how pizza,agate Pissobiac would parse this latest development. I haven't seen any recent tweets from him about what's-

That doesn't seem so phallocentric, yeah. I know, I know. What's the phallocentric move about 3 a.m. I'm sorry about all that, guys. Please don't target my companies. Please don't. This is one of the major differences between Trump and Elon, right? Just as sort of posters, is Elon is just please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please,

please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, like, sui generis figure in terms of just his superhuman ability never to do that about anything ever. Like, he's never looked back over his shoulder a day in his life about anything,

as far as I can tell. Just like the real self-confidence of that. I mean, that, there's something phallocentric about that insane lunatic energy, right? Like, good, good, good, good for Donald Trump. A poster, a poster with no peer. Where do we go from here? I mean, like you said, a lot of these guys just sort of in the Donald.win, to whatever extent they control the discourse, they're like, all right, Elon's back, but he's on the leash. Donald Trump seems a little less inclined to really bring him back into the fold at all, at least so far. Well, yeah, it sort of seems like Elon is, you know, he was already kind of being transitioned out

and had already, they'd already had like kind of the goodbye party at the White House. So it seemed like maybe he's going to go do his companies now for a while, but they're kind of going to keep him in the fold. At least that's what that message would suggest. I don't know. That message also, I mean, this is pure speculation

on my part, had kind of the vibe of like, okay, Elon, you haven't until 8 a.m. on Wednesday to apologize, or like, you know, SpaceX's contracts are going to be in trouble. So you know, who knows, but it is interesting that I also kind of feel like this apology isn't enough to get to win Trump. Like, I think he needs to say like, the Epstein thing was made up. I lied. But it because he's still kind of

out there. Yeah, yeah, Trump, Trump historically, not a big one to accept like half-baked, non-groveling type apologies, sort of tends to demand the full subjugation. We will see. Like the full worm. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Man, it's so weird talking about this stuff because like, they're both so distasteful, just sort of as figures that like, anytime Elon's talking about this stuff because like you, you, you, they're both so distasteful just sort of as figures that like anytime Elon's talking about Trump, you're like, wow,

he's making some pretty good points. And when, when Trump is like putting Elon through this ritual self abasement routine, you're kind of like, ah, yeah, that's pretty good. Good. I'm glad somebody's able to, you know, make, make him squirm like that. And at the same time it's all just so grotesque that this is sort of the stuff that's happening at the very kind of most rarefied levels of culture and society and business and government, where it's the president of the United States and the world's richest man having this absolutely insane, totally unhinged slap fight with major implications for US policy on a bunch of stuff. It's just kind of gross and totally horrible, but at least we can have a little fun talking about it

when it gets particularly post-worthy. Thanks for coming on to Chew It All Over. Thanks to everybody out there for watching. Hope you'll subscribe to the channel. Hope you headed the bulwark and subscribe to Will's False Flag Newsletter. Thanks and we'll see you all next time.