Bulwark Takes - JFK’s Grandson CLAPS BACK at “Fake” Kennedy Politics (w/ Jack Schlossberg)

Episode Date: July 26, 2025

Jack Schlossberg, JFK’s grandson and a rising political voice, joins Cameron Kasky and Tim Miller for a bold, funny, and fiery conversation. He explains why he went viral for calling out his cousin RFK Jr., defends President Biden, and lays out what it means to be a liberal in 2024. The trio talks family drama, internet clout, growing up Kennedy, and how Jack became the “cringe millennial lib influencer” we all needed.  Go check out Jack's new YouTube show: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack.Schlossberg Get a three-month unlimited wireless plan for $15/month from Mint Mobile at https://MintMobile.com/FYPOD. #sponsored

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Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BenMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Do you think that that's a natural, I mean, do you think that's a maha natural muscle tone from him? Or do you think maybe there's some supplemental? Yeah, I think it looks too good to be true. Doesn't it? Doesn't it look too good to be true?

It feels like it might be a Barry Bonds situation, kind of. Hey, everyone, I'm Cameron Caskey. I'm Tim Miller and this is the Bullwerx FY pod where we usually only have Zoomer guests, you know, because it's the young Gen Z show. But we've made an exception

for a young millennial, the bard of Gen Z. He's got a new YouTube show called Test Drive with Jack Schlossberg, where he talks to you from his van. And he is with us right now in his van. It's he himself, Jack Schlossberg. What's up, man? That name is hard to say.

Hello, Schlossberg, yes. But you nailed it. Did I? I think I got it right the first time, not the second time. Well, welcome to my van. So happy to have you guys inside my van. We, I can't wait to get inside your van.

We couldn't be more excited to be here with you. I want to start like this. I think I'm sure many of our viewers like me, you kind of like appeared out of the ether maybe like a year ago. You were posting thought posts on Instagram about how your uncle is weird. And I was like, I like the cut of this guy's jib. And but I know nothing about your life pre that. So why don't you why don't you tell us about it? Well, I'm so happy that you saw my videos. I hope you like share comment follow.

I don't comment because I don't want to I don't want it to get awkward. But I do like and share. Yeah, like you kind of nailed it emerge from the ether. I don't really know what ether means. But I'll tell you a little bit about my life before that. I would say my life's changed a lot in the last 18 months, like since that time you're talking about and kind of coinciding with what's going on in America and how severely things have changed in that same timeframe. Yeah, before I started dancing on camera with my shirt off talking about politics, I grew up

in New York and I went to college and then I went to, I worked in Japan for a year and then I went to law school and business school and I did that for a really long time. Yeah, same time. JD MBA. Wait, you can go to law school and business school at the same time? Yeah, yeah, you can. You might not want to. Are the other JDMBA people also content creators in their?

No, I think I'm the only one. No, that is what's so funny. Oh, my God. That it really is like, yeah, the pipeline. I'm trying to build a pipeline. I'm starting to start recruiting. But it's definitely a new a new industry for the JDMBA. Cameron dropped out of college.

And so like, I feel like that's more normal to become a podcaster after being a failed college student than it is to be a JD MBA student. And then I'm very glad you said that, Tim, because that brings me to the first topic of today's episode, which is the airing dirty laundry topic. Yes. So I was talking to the woman who I was in love with the one semester that I was at Columbia fall semester, 2019. Um, she said, she said, you know, I had a big crush on Jack.

So I, I started to pull women I admire in my life to see how they felt. And I have three quotes. My best friend who said, set us up low key. I have my ex girlfriend who's also a contributor to the FY pod channel who said, please tell him I'm single. And then I have my freshman year true love who said, I used to have a crush on him. So my question for you is. No other ones. That's it. I asked my mom too,

and she said he's handsome. But my question is for my freshman college girlfriend who said she used to have a crush on you. What is your case to win her back? Let me start here. I'm sorry to let you down, whoever you are. And I know that I can do better, but you know, I'm just questioning your sample size.

I feel like we kind of look alike. We kind of have a similar, um, you know, maybe we attract a certain type of person who's looking for a certain type of thing. And so maybe, maybe if we pull the broader array, you would see the many times that you would meet some of the many women who have rejected me over the years. I'm a half Z too. Yeah. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too.

I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too.

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I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. I'm a half Z too. Well, my dad's Jewish. My mom's Catholic. Definitely raised Catholic, but in a pretty Jewish way. I'm a havesy too. Yeah, I'm a havesy to my household. Yeah. My mom comes from a Catholic family. She converted to Judaism before we were born so we could have the technically Jew pass, but it's so interesting. People will be like Judaism is in your blood. It's in your DNA.

So whether you like it or not, you're Jewish. But then if your mother is not Jewish, they'll be like, okay, so you're not Jewish. Do you feel like you disappointed all of the Catholics that have little Kennedy shrines in their home? Your mother disappointed them by leaving the faith a little bit. Well, I think she actually proved that

you can be very, very religious and still have an open mind and be open to new things. And I think that knowing more about other faiths can help you appreciate your own. And I think you get the sacraments. Like did you get first communion and can say first communion confirmation? Did you get no, no, because I couldn't do it that year because I couldn't walk that year and my mom let me skip. So I wish I could say yes, but I did not actually, I missed eighth grade confirmation class. My Bar Mitzvah was supposed to be the year that my parents got divorced. And then my parents told me they were getting divorced and I was like, okay, that's my free pass out of having to do bar mitzvah classes.

Yeah, I'm not doing this. It's like you literally couldn't walk. Like you were crippled. Yeah, I've had a bunch of bad injuries in my life. This one was an eighth grade on the first day of school. I was riding my bike to school and my foot slipped off the pedal and it severed my Achilles tendon.

Wow. Yeah, I was like 13. And that prevents you from confirmation class and you could have wheel chaired in or something. Yeah, no, like 13. And that prevents you from confirmation class and you could have wheelchairs in or something? Yeah, no. Like if I really believe in God and want to go to heaven, then I probably would have done it, but I'm a heathen. All right. At least there's still time. There's adult confirmation. Our friend, JD Vance, recently got reconfirmed as a Catholic. It's unclear that he goes to church. There's not

any evidence that he actually goes to church. He changed his name several times and he's changed his religion. So that's something that you could do. I don't know. Do you sort of model yourself? You have a lot of interest in the van. I think more and more about religion lately, actually. In what way? Well, I spent kind of like back to your original,... When I started popping off, whenever I arrived on your feed, it was a long time coming. It's true that I did do it in a new way,

but at the same time, I've been on the Profile Encourage Award Committee and presented that award every year, so I was 18. So in some ways, I've been doing it a long time. And in other ways, it was completely new. But kind of the period right before, or like all that happened during all that happened, I was living in Louisiana, the friend who of mine who I knew from when I was a

Senate page. And I like ended up there just because I was like, I got to get out of New York. And I just drove there. And where in Louisiana, I'm in New Orleans, you know? Oh yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, I live here. I'm in Covington. Where in Louisiana? Oh, Covington.

Okay, other side of the- Yeah. That's where Theo Vonn is. No way. High school, yeah. I knew he was from Louisiana. So like, for me, that was a whole new world. Like I really hadn't spent much time in the South

and definitely not Louisiana. Like, you know, the presence of faith was something that I feel like was especially like Christian faith, especially where like where I was from, it was kind of like not looked down upon, but definitely misunderstood. And I just kind of interacted with and saw like, not much. I only spent a couple months there. Like, I don't really know what I'm talking about. But I was just like, eye opening

to see how present it was. Or just in a different way from where I grew up, which was like, pretty, like everyone I knew growing up was Jewish. And I didn't really realize that I was like, I thought it was cool that I was Catholic or Christian. That was interesting because everybody was Jewish at my school. But yeah, I feel like I started thinking a little bit differently there. And it was profound experience because at the same time, I could feel this change coming

and I didn't really know what exactly was gonna happen, but I was like, this is not cool. I love Joe Biden. And I've been looking at my phone for a couple of years and everything is just, I don't see any of it. I don't see anything about him. Like, I don't hear anybody saying anything good. There's nothing on my phone. All these guys are talking about, like, this is right wing and they don't even know that it's, that it's like, that what? And that was happening for a long time. It was really frustrating. But I was like, I can't say anything.

I can't say anything. Being in Louisiana. My mind was opened and I was like, no, no, no, no. Like this really, really matters. It's like thinking about it in a much more deep way and less and like willing to take more risk because I was like, I believe in this. I feel like this is like right and wrong. And like, I really want to say something. Wait, you were on the committee for the RFK, the Profile Encouraged Award?

Oh yeah. No, that's different. What do you mean? That's different. That's like, yeah. Yeah, it's hard to keep track, I know, but there's the JFK Library. Profiles Encouraged is a book that my grandpa wrote about senators who took difficult stands and there's an award that the JFK Library gives out every year to a public servant who puts country first. But I think you're referring to like a humanitarian award. It's because in 2018, my friends and I won the RFK award and we went to the Capitol for

the ceremony. And we are standing in some room getting ready to go into some room. And they come up to me and they're like, okay, so who's going to speak? And everyone from March for Our Lives looks at each other and we're like, someone was supposed to fucking speak and like half of the Democrats in Congress are going to be at this thing. And suddenly I, the sacrificial lamb, am put up to just basically go sound like a fucking moron and we go up. It's the podium where RFK announced his presidential bid.

It is a room where in the first row was John Lewis and I gave two of the stupidest fucking minutes of bullshit I've ever heard in my entire life wearing an ugly gray suit with a purple tie that looked like shit. But God damn it, we won. Well, I also did this thing, the new frontier word, and we we so we recognize you guys, I think it was that way. Are we talking to the new frontier word in Boston? I feel like this is a march for our lives. Well, there's so many words hard to keep track of.

But yeah. How many awards have you won, Cameron? I don't know. But all I can say is get fucked other Gen Z activists, because we definitely racked up most of those bad boys. You ever hear about the Sunrise movement anymore? I've got the hard part about those little fucking climate nerds who are all hooking up with each other and talking shit about each other the whole time. No, man. We fucking we fucking.

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Boom. Mint Mobile. That could be it. I'm so glad Mint Mobile lets you keep your existing contacts because I'm not going to explain why, but I have Sean Spicer's phone number. Let's get back to it. Jack, I felt like your social media awakening happened right around the last time you gave out one of those Profile Encouraged Awards to Mike Pence. I remember like this sort of contrast between like, you know, like your shirtless at the beach, you know, kind of dancing, talking about, you know, how RFK is crazy. And then like you're in a, you're in like a blue blazer and a little tie. Yeah. Your hair is combed. Yes. And you're like, Vice President Mike Pence.

Yes. I really honor you and your work of avoiding being hung on January the 6th. So right, like this is all, this is my timelines, right? Right. This is all happening simultaneously. I mean, we really like it. It might as well be right. There's like, I mean, I could tell.

No, like that was only a couple of months ago, but I feel like I popped off like a year ago. But anyway, it's all the same. I would say like, I do was all very, very, very deliberate. Like I had held my tongue and had been, you know, when RRK, did you feel like you had to hold your tongue just like family? Like you wanted a job? It was just like, I was like in school. No, no, no. It was like, I don't want to have to talk... This was like, what? 2023? Yeah. And it was like, he was running for president for... It was like, I don't want to... I don't have to go and make a public statement. Why would I... And then it kept growing and growing

and growing. And it took on a life of its own. And it was like... And I saw his alliance with Trump a mile away. It was just like, duh, same donors. And it was... And so I got... I kept getting so many press requests, so many press requests. And it was like, no, no, no. I don't like... I just like... I don't want to... That's not my life. I need to focus on what I'm doing. Whatever. And then I went to go work on the Biden campaign because I was like, that would be a really good... I don't want to take this on myself, but I'll go put my money where my mouth is and go do that. And long story short, the Biden campaign was a short-lived thing and didn't have a risk appetite for social media. And I felt it kept going on and on and on with R.K. Junior getting

more and more severe. And I was very, very, very worried about it early on. And I was like, this is a real problem. I mean, not for just because of what he stands for, but also because he used President Kennedy, you know, very often in his campaign commercials, his Super Bowl commercial, remember that, which used the Kennedy campaign slogan. And like, to me, that's, you know that's propaganda. You're stealing something from the American people. You're stealing our history from them and co-opting it for yourself. And who knows who's paying for this? What is going on here? But it took me a while to build up the courage to be

like, you know what? I'm going to just do this my way. And everyone told me I was crazy when I did it my way. And my way was like, okay, I'm going to say something that's going to break through because if I just like say, I am troubled by his rhetoric, and it's like sick. And it's like, if I'm going to like, if I'm going to say how I like what I think, and it's it's something I've thought a lot about, and I'm sure of, and I have real reasons for it, then like, okay, when you got people looking, then like give them something else that will like help balance that. And so like a part of me dancing with my shirt off and stuff was like, you

know, people need to understand that like a young fun person can love Joe Biden and be a Democrat. So you're telling me that the that the accusations that the dancing with your shirt off of that, that some might say that was gay baiting for engagement. And what you're saying is that was Joe Biden baiting actually, you were just doing Joe Biden shit. You weren't doing any unfair gay baiting. I would say like, yeah, I mean, maybe I was maybe I wasn't. For me, it was like about becoming comfortable, actually just doing what I thought was like going to work.

And so like, you know, it's transformed over time. It's like completely developed like good intentions. You're trying to get good vibes. You're trying to get engagement for Joe Biden. You weren't like, I had You weren't leading Lance astray. At that time, I was like, what do we have to lose? What do we have to lose? What? I made a dumb video.

Like, no, there's someone else really. I don't see my people like, it was a long, like people forget like two, three years ago, there's a lot of progressive media that's like popped up in the last year or so. But like there was very little like anyway. There's very little positive Joe Biden. That brings me to my big question, which you said something really interesting that I had been saying to people I knew on the Biden campaign, people I knew in the Harris campaign, risk appetite on social media.

With Harris, it's like, okay, they were making these kind of like half hazard attempts to say Kamala is Brad and do the coconut meme and stuff like that. But when you're talking about working with Biden... She never said the coconut line during the campaign. So they really didn't even do half-assed attempt. I was begging for it. She failed to distance herself from the coconut line. But you're Jack, you're widely considered somebody who knows

how to make people look at stuff on social media. What was your strategy for Biden in terms of social media risks? What the fuck do you say to the Joe Biden campaign to get them to have Joe do whatever the Biden version of dancing shirtless on the beaches? Just to back up on one thing you said, which was I think that as badly overwhelmed as we were on social media and it was our own fault. The Harris campaign was the shining example. They did way more than what was happening before and they showed way more willingness to take risk than what came before them. And that's not to criticize President Biden, it's just like, we were slow to this and we were risk averse. So like, I think that they like, they had 100 days.

And I think that like, they actually move the ball forward a lot and involve younger people and the DNC had a lot of creators. And like, in the beginning of the campaign, when I started making my videos, like, you're crazy, like, by the end, I was like, working with the campaign, like, you know, everyone was like, make more videos. So I feel like people did come around. But I think that we talk a lot about the gender gap, how to attract young men. And to me, it's like, I don't know. But I think that risk taking is something that Democrats don't do so well in terms of public discourse. And that that could be a reason that we fail to penetrate. What do you mean by risk taking?

We're doing it now. We actually are doing it now. People started cursing on Twitter this year. You know what I mean? Like the D triple C, they say the F word now in a statement. That's completely new. People are willing to say straight up, I mean like Jasmine Crockett,

they're speaking directly, they're cutting through and making a point of shouting as best you can online, I think. Yeah. No, it's like, what is risk-taking? I don't know, like they're calling Trump a pedophile now. That's like, DNC is doing pedophile protection shit. Right, so language, language, I think.

And just something that, you know, you're playing a game, the medium is the message. It's like, this is an algorithm that I'm like trying to, please, this has nothing to do with like what I actually like self-exp... I mean, it's like, it's a game. So it's like, okay, you know, like here's my play. That's like an instinct that I feel like develops. But I think Democrats are finding ways, but it's like, it's a game. So it's like, okay, here's my play.

That's like an instinct that I feel like develops. But I think Democrats are finding ways, but it's hard. It's hard when you're in the minority and you don't have any power to do anything but say that things are messed up. Well, I think there's a difference. I think it just depends on who we're talking about because some Democrats try to do influencery content

that might work if it was somebody else. But we've got a couple examples, right? We've got Hakeem Jeffries posting a picture of him holding a baseball bat. We've got Zoran Mamdani making videos in New York City with a beautiful color palette and using Bollywood imagery for his logo. We've got Eric Swalwell ripping off

the subway takes guy on the train. And we've got Brian Shots, who just makes videos where he's talking to people like a person. And I think that the social media game is bespoke to the congress person. But some of them are also trying too hard to be content creators that they just aren't. You know what I'm saying? I know what you're saying.

It's definitely like sometimes you're like, like, no way. But I also think that it's like, you know, it's a, you're an actor, you're like a performer and that's a hard job, especially if you have to actually also be a sitting elected official. So it's like, I have a lot of sympathy for them. I think like, I don't know what to tell them other than to try to show people through what I post like the strategies I'm using, I guess. Who do you think is doing it the best? I think a lot of people are like, I think Shots gives really good speeches. I think Chris Murphy is a very clear communicator. I think lately John

Ossoff has been doing really good written statements on his Instagram. At least that's where I encounter them, where they're very clear and they're hitting on constant themes like corruption, like hammering home corruption and deficits. And I think that that's really important. And like he's doing a good job. And people are willing to read or listen longer because people want information now, I think. So things like leaning into that, not being,

not thinking like, oh, everyone's attention span is tiny and no one cares. It's like, I think people really do want to know the information. You were saying that you think they should look to you for a model. No, no, no, no. No, I, no, no, no. Like what about like the Usher Vance is hot, and I want to fuck her. Like that's, no, no. No, I don't know. What about like the Oosh advance is hot.

Yes. And I want to fuck her. Like that's probably not a great thing for Brian shots to send. I don't know. Or maybe it is. You can object to that. But for me, for me, it's like, you know, growing up, like I've seen how this is done to my own family members.

And so it's like, for me, that's like a commentary on, it's like a, it's like, what will, like the New York Post is going to, like if I write this, like, they're gonna come up with their worst about it. And then it's like, okay, but you're writing it not about Trump for one second at least. Okay. So it's like throwing wrenches in the system in creative ways.

Because from where I sit, it's like, this is not normal. The law is being broken in broad daylight every single day. And if I'm scared to like, make a joke about somebody when like, this is all people say about, that's just like, that's just what I think. And so not be scared. So you want a joke, so you don't,

I just, just for, just, you know, cause I'm a journalist. Yeah. You don't think Usha Vance is hot? I think she's absolutely beautiful. Are you kidding me? I never said that. I said, I didn't say I want to F her.

Oh, okay. Sorry. So what's the joke part? Usha is so stunning. I am so in awe of her. She's amazing. So what's the joke part? Usha is so stunning. I am so in love with her. He's ethereal. I'm so in love with her terrible decision making with men. But that doesn't lead me to my next question, but I'm just going to say that it does. We didn't do the rankings.

We said we were going to do a ranking of the hottest second ladies. Yeah. Okay. So if you're going to change the subject of the hottest second ladies. Yeah. Okay. So if you're going to change the subject, do you not have any nominees besides Usha? I can probably name like Maryland Quail. Do you have any thoughts about Marilyn Quail? What century is Marilyn Quail even from?

She was Dan Quail's wife. I don't know who Dan Quail is. You don't know Dan Quail? He couldn't spell potato. This was before you were born. I don't know. Dan's bushes. Dan quit. You don't know Dan Quill couldn't spell potato. This was before you were born. He couldn't spell potato. It was kind of a big scandal in the 19 in the late 1980s, early 1990s. He riding on a chalkboard or something.

Uh, yeah. He had an E to the S P T T O E. Yeah. That wasn't great. Margarita Rockefeller looks pretty, Oh wait, Joan Mondale. Wow. Right. That's what I'm talking about.

Right. Joan Mondale. Wow. Right? That's what I'm talking about, right? Joan Mondale is kind of stunning. Tim, when you were a Republican communication strategist, communications director for Jeb Bush, how would you have spun potato being spelled wrong? Boy, that's a tough one. I think that your candidates really put you in a pickle if they spell potato wrong, you know?

I think that I probably would have made a joke about how hot who's your pants is. Right. So they start talking about something else instead. Yeah, on to the next. Yeah, move on to the next. I think you got to do something worse then, you know, something you got to lean into it probably. It works when Trump does it, like do something worse, get them talking about the worst thing. And then it kind of goes away.

That's kind of one of the things I'm the most scared about with this Epstein stuff is that Trump is just going to do increasingly worse and worse things in order to try and divert people's attention from it. But I read somewhere recently that RFK Jr. against whom you've been very outspoken had some sort of relationship with Jizz Maxwell. Like, do you know anything about that? I don't know anything about that. But yeah, I don't know this absolute thing. It feels like, you know, people have been like titillated by conspiracy for a really long time. And

then it was like, oh, we're finally going to find the answer to one of these mysteries. And I think that's why it's so, it's, I mean, it obviously, some underlying crimes are obviously awful, but I also think it's just like, has life of its own in such a crazy way. It's like kind of the ultimate conspiracy theory because it covers like everybody. It gets regular Republicans really upset. It gets the crazy fringe anti-Semites really hyped up.

How could it not get you upset? It's absolutely crazy. Like what I know. And it's just like even normal non-conspiratorial thinking people are like, holy shit, this is like the conspiracy that we know. And it's not a conspiracy. I mean, the only part of it is kind of a conspiracy

is whether he killed himself or whether somebody offed him in jail. Like that part is like a bit of a conspiracy. Either mean, the only part of it is kind of a conspiracy is whether he killed himself or whether somebody offed him in jail. Like that part is like a bit of a conspiracy. The rest of it like happens. Why is Bill Barr not, like either it's negligence or something else. Like how did that happen? Yeah, I mean, do you have a theory of why there,

I mean, do you have any Trump, Barr theories of your own about, or anybody else? I have no idea, but I think that this is happens to be like a very easy thing to understand or in a lot of ways but like they're doing this and I were in many other places to similar types of blatant illegal behavior that then is completely just overtly denied and like you don't expect them to tell the truth anymore in press conferences we don't expect them to tell the truth anymore

in press conferences, we don't expect that. Like he's asked a question, did you know about whatever the signal chat like, no, I had no idea. And like with utter confidence, you know, like, like, that's so I have no idea what's going on. But I, what I do know is that they, the second administration seems a lot more confident in what they're just doing. And that terrifies me.

I wonder your thought on going back to what them social media stuff can do. I think we all agree they've been more aggressive, which is good. But I don't know, man. I feel like they could go even further on the Epstein stuff. Like, and it doesn't have to be everybody doesn't have to be the, you know, whatever chairman of the DNC or whatever. But like, I think Dem Paul, like Dem Paul's at this point could start being a little bit more reckless in their comments about Trump. Yeah, that's kind of what I mean, where it's like, I think so too. And so I try to like, yeah, I think, I think you're completely right. I feel like it's like, what are we waiting for? You're not being hyperbolic. This is insane. So yeah. And he's covering it up. He's in there. We know he's in there. They've got a file.

They said that the FBI guys flagged his name. So I've got a file for where his name is in the files. And so they've got a list of all the times Trump's mentioned in there. So just show it. And if you're not showing it, it's gotta be because like the accusations are really bad. I get fucking annoyed at the TV people that are like, well, just cause he's in there

doesn't mean that he did anything wrong. It's like, really? I don't know. I mean, it's not like they were just on the same wedding invite list. It's like, it's like, it's like he's all over the files of a child sex traffickers. Like he probably did something bad. Totally. Do you understand? Because I don't feel like I do why this is happening right now. Yeah. Because they put

out that stupid statement. It was a total rape step. Pam Bondi. So like back in March, they were like, we're going to figure out who's in the Epstein files, probably because they wanted to get, you know, they were like, we're going to get Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew and, you know, random Kennedy cousins and like, whatever, it'll be all the live elites, right, that we're going to get. And so we sent a bunch of FBI agents to go through all the files. And then like in May, they said said to Trump you're in them and then like in July they put out a statement those like we decided we're

gonna put this to rest you know so like they put out that statement oh that's also and also you've untweeted yeah oh right yeah but I know there was them putting out that statement that was like we're you, you know, nothing to see here. We're chilling that like caused the firestorm. So my question for you guys is like, it's almost like I don't know what they're doing. Trump was campaigning and saying, we're going to release the files. We're going to release the files. Is it that he thought he could get away with releasing certain parts of the files that didn't feature him?

Or do you think he just straight up didn't even know that he was in them? I don't think Trump has object permanence. I think that he just lives one second at a time. He's like, I'm going to say whatever I need to say to get me through today. And then tomorrow I'm going to say whatever I need to say tomorrow. I think it's, I don't know that it was a deep thinking. Yeah. It's something they say on succession about the Rupert Murdoch character. They're like, I don't think he's thinking about anything other than putting one foot in front of the

other. But another friend of mine was like, okay, Epstein had this whole island. Um, there was obviously the child pedophile, uh, evil part of the island. But there was also like tennis courts and scuba diving or whatever. There might have been people who went to the Epstein island just for like the vacay and didn't even know about all the pedophile stuff. So maybe that's what Trump did because because there's no tennis courts anywhere else. Only one you could book. I was with a Republican girl that I've been friends with since I was very young last night. And she was telling me that she watches victim testimonies from the Epstein stuff and that

there are videos of people who allegedly were part of the Epstein pedophile ring giving their full on full blown testimony. And they were saying that there were like science labs and shit like that there. And whenever someone I'm with puts their tinfoil hat on, I'm like, I'm a let them cook, keep spilling and everything. And she started talking about human cloning and stuff like that. And I was like, you know what, if Republicans need to get more conspiratorial about this and it leads to them, uh, hating Trump more, as long as it doesn't get to the Jews, I'm cool with it.

You could think that there was cloning going on as long as it keeps you saying, release the Epstein files. Um, but Tim, if you don't have anything else, there could have been cloning. I mean, we cloned sheep, didn't we? I mean, I've seen it was into some weird shit. He had the, the was the guy he had to see it like a scientist conference down there with the guy that like, no, it was the guy that just talked through the talk through his wheelchair. Stephen Hawking. Yeah, Stephen Hawking was down there like his dick doesn't even work.

What was he doing on the island? Was he just getting his neck rubbed by the girls or what was happening? What is he doing on the island? Was he just getting his neck rubbed by the girls or what was happening? I feel like I have two thoughts. One is that the human tragedy is just, like once you enter that level of it and you realize like that's what we're talking about,

it's like, holy shit. It's just so profoundly just dark and sad. The second thing is how compromised are the, like what about national security? How compromised are all of these people? Like there are so many conflicting interests. There's clearly so much intelligence on so many characters. It's definitely not a good look. No, it's not a good look.

It's just so weird that some people are saying maybe there aren't Epstein files because like, I know people who keep a guestbook for their summer home. And if you forget to write in the guestbook when you visit, they like actually get offended. And I'm like, I feel like Epstein probably kept a guest list. Also like what he had left zero evidence of anything he did. Like what? He wasn't doing it for blackmail. He wasn't doing it for bribery. He was doing it for love of the fucking game. Do you think there's any chance that Democrats, you know, we talk, we are not people fixate on this and then to the advantage of Trump?

I mean, I think it could definitely be to the disadvantage of Bill Clinton. I would not be in a good mood in Chappaqua right now. Like, because if I'm those guys, I'm like trying to distract shit. I'm just like, we're going to go through the book at like Bill Clinton and whatever another rant, some other random Dems. So I don't know that it will actually help Trump. But but there could definitely be some, some shrapnel. One of the things that weirded me out was just the way that Epps that Clinton and Trump wrote

to Epstein. Like if you actually read the letters that they apparently wrote for his birthday, like the Clinton and Trump letters to Epstein, they were kind of romantic and sort of a little gay. You know what I'm talking about? I don't because I'm a gay and I don't write letters to my male friends. So I don't know what was just letter was, just letter writing itself is gay, male, male letter writing, 60 minutes journalist voice.

So Jack, you kind of did admit to gay baiting though, while we're discussing the gays. One more time. You are doing, you are doing intentional gay baiting. Whether that is a consequence of my actions. Yeah. To the extent that, to the extent that the extent. Sure. But I want to apologize to any homosexuals out there who are feeling misled by the content that you are producing.

Don't do it. Well, let me let me say this. Not only am I sorry, I'll never do it again. That is not believable. Not only am I sorry, I'll never do it again. That is not believable. Do not make a promise you cannot keep, Jack. Not on FY pod. I think some people are accused of gaybaiting just for being hot.

And it's like, yeah, if you're a guy who's like hot, especially if you're Twinkie or Twonky, you're going to get accused of gaybaiting. If you're a guy who dresses Harry Styles gets accused of gaybait. But also like I like. Right. I mean, like I. He just admitted it, Cameron, why are you running cover for him? Well, I'm going to cover for all of the men who get like I'm like, I feel like you're you're definitely joking. I don't know, like, like, was I gay, beating definitely. Like, of course, like that was everything beating.

It was like, I'm going to throw everything at the wall. Like, I'm not like I not like secretly trying to like gay. I don't even know what that, I actually didn't know that term, but yeah, I'm definitely trying to like be weird. I don't know. Like, that's my version of like being, like, I don't know. There is a thing about masculinity there of like, yeah, like act gay and I don't care. Do you go through your messages on Instagram like from sometimes?

And like what percentage of those do you think are from gay men? Would you say like 60% or? Well, what percentage of the of the males of the males? No, the total of the total population of messages. What percentage are gay males? Do you think? Probably 40 to. Yeah, probably like, no, probably less. Probably 20, I would say of the males, maybe 90%. Right. There aren't too many dudes just trying to pro. Of my ex-girlfriends, probably like at least 25%.

Everybody, please leave a comment down below on if you think the Trump and Epps Trump and Clinton's letters to Epstein were gay or if I'm just being a jerk. Tim, I'm pretty satisfied with this gay conversation. Can I move on to my next topic? Okay. Yeah, I've got, we're on, we've got to go rapid fire now because I've got a

couple we haven't touched either. So real quick, Jack, just three questions for you. This is called Gen Z trivia with Jack's Losberg. Jack, what is the most annoying Gen Z trend? I don't know any of them. Can you name some? And I'll tell you, you don't get annoyed. You don't get. I don't know them.

I don't know what they are. I don't. Could you tell me a few that I know so I know what they are? Just like the zoomer quality that's considered a zoomer thing where you're like, oh, my God, shut the fuck up. I don't like a word jeans, white Air Force ones. 10 people, all friend group, they all wear them. That's what I see from Gen Z.

I see a lot of the same outfits. OK, Dante, put 10 points on the screen. Yeah, I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustaches. And I don't like Gen Z. I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustache.

I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustache. I don't like Gen Z. I see a lot of the same outfits. Okay, Dante, put 10 points on the screen. Yeah, I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustaches. I love Gen Z. I don't like them calling things coded. Everything isn't something coded. Oh, yeah.

You know? Oh, I don't like no cap. I don't know why, but I just don't like it. I don't know what it means. I don't get it. When white people say it? Yeah, I don't even know. Yeah, maybe that's why I don't like it. When white people say it. Yeah, I don't even know. Yeah, that's maybe that's it's like, maybe that's why I don't like it. Because it sounds weird. People say, I don't know. I'm with you.

I don't say no cap, but I do call certain things cap. So maybe I'm a little agnostic. All right. Question number one, two out of number two, there's three questions here. What was the main thing you wasted time on during the pandemic? Pandemic was weird for me because I, I, it's like a long story, you know, but I was like, I have a very injured like for two years before the pandemic and then all throughout the pandemic. So I was like two years ahead of everybody on the pandemic.

Another injury? Yeah, that one was really bad. Yeah, like I had a really bad injury and I could only walk for like four years, like barely. So that was COVID for me. I was like in bed. I could walk like short distances. I had crutches for a long time and I was on like in bed for a lot. But yeah, because like walk around the block, but that would basically be it for like a pretty long time. Said, what did you do in bed? Like what was... Well, I was in school. So I just literally was studied all day.

I got really into like, uh, I watch a lot of CNBC. I would say that's. That's kinda where I wasted a lot of my time, but I kind of have a least favorite CNBC personality. I have a love hate relationship with Joe Karna and he doesn't know about it, but like he enrages me and, but he makes me think because he is so consistently, his perspective is like, okay, like I know, I feel like it's helped me. Uh, but it really enrages me.

All right. Last question. Who is the greatest Gen Z artist? Artist? Yes. Of any kind. Who's the greatest Gen Z artist? Yes, of any kind. Who's the greatest Gen Z artist? I don't really think in terms of like that's Gen Z. That's not Gen Z. Like is Gracie Abrams Gen Z? Is Billie Eilish Gen Z? Billie Eilish is Gen Z. That's like that's yeah. Is Shamali Gen Z? Yes. Ooh, I don't know. He's the best. I think he's a cusper. He's definitely the best. The correct answer, by the way, is Congressman Maxwell Frost who does extraordinary work,

but I'll let you go with that. It is. It is. The cusper is definitely right. I mean, so would you like if you had to rank like though, like, you know, for example, I don't know, just like pulling some names out of the air, like Billy Eilish versus Olivia Rodrigo. Oh, if I had to choose, I couldn't.

Who running is better? Well, at what? At what? I really couldn't choose. It would be that hard for me. Full spectrum artistry. Charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent. You have to be RuPaul.

You got one of them, Shantae Usve, one of them, Sachet Away. Right. You have to do it. I would say that there's no way Shantae, you say one of them, uh, uh, sashay away. Right. You have to do it. I would say that there's no way that I have to answer who is better. You have to sashay away. One of them has to be sashayed away. I really like the song.

Good for you. Okay. And I think that Olivia Rodrigo has the X factor and has what it takes. Shantae, you stay. Okay. That's a good pick. I want to go back to your, is it uncle or cousin, RFK Jr.? He was my cousin.

Before we get to the mailbag. Cousin. I don't do the Kennedy family tree really, is it not? As a former Republican, you know, it doesn't. Yeah, I understand. The whole mystique doesn't really work for me. But kind of like you appearing with your thought Instagrams, he kind of appeared for me out of nowhere, like all of a sudden he's running for president.

Uh, you know, there's the bear in the woods and like the, you know, my sister wrote that story. Yes. Yes. Isn't that so wild as a reporter? Yeah. Um, yeah, no, I did like a 30 minute breakdown of the bear story for YouTube one time, so I'm well aware of your sister's important role there. For you just as an observer, when

did he cross over from being like kind of like weird, like vaccine guy, but kind of like all my cousins are kind of weird, but it's sort of charming. He's got a little thing. When did it cross over from that to like malicious, you know, effort to undermine the American democracy? Like how did that process work? Well, you know, I actually don't know him personally, well, at all. I haven't spent much time with him. Most of that was real. I thought you guys just like meet at Hyannis Port or something every...

Yeah, no. ...fourth of July? Yeah, no. I, uh, no. I don't have, like, there's no, like, thing where we all meet. Are we all clandestines? Yeah, and like there's like a family. Like I have my family, my parents and sisters,

and we spend a lot of time together super close, but it's not for my generation at least. It's, I think they, I don't know. Anyway, did you answer your question? I think that he's been troubled for a long time. So I don't think it was a crossover. He was just following the wave basically. Or like, I don't know.

I mean, your guess is as good as mine. So it's like not that weird. Cause I was thinking it'd be like kind of weird, right? If my, you know, whatever, like my uncle's kid or whatever was like all of a sudden was like a Donald Trump spokesperson. And like, that would be a hard thing for me to process. But like what you're saying is like,

you didn't really hang out before. So there was no. Yeah. Like I can't speak to like a change or anything like that. But I'll say that, like what you said is true, like, I emerge and he emerged, well, like, his decision to do what he did, and to use our family name, legacy, the images of my grandfather, President Kennedy in tons of his own ads campaign. So going on

every podcast talking about the JFK assassination, saying he knew what happened, that the CIA killed President Kennedy without any evidence. And that's why I was compelled to do, that's why people were looking when I posted. And I also, why I felt obligated and just motivated, because I spent a lot of time thinking about my grandfather and like people often think about the most dramatic or scandalous

moments of people's life. But there's so much like super important history that I find genuinely inspiring that is under attack right now from the President United States who's fixated on like diminishing President Kennedy or tying himself to him or whatever it is, but he's fixated on like diminishing President Kennedy or tying himself to him or whatever it is, but he's fixated. And so I felt like, oh my gosh, or whether I like it or not, I'm involved here and I don't think I'll be able to live with myself if I don't say something. Do you have broader maha thoughts like outside of the construct of like the Kennedy stuff?

Just that like he's a, I mean, I will give him credit that he's a genius for saying a bunch of things that people already all agree on, like processed food is bad and sugar is bad and getting people to believe that there's some revelation I think is an impressive accomplishment. You got one other thought on him and then we can move on. You guys both have done shirtless content. Yeah. And I will say your body types are very different. Very, very different.

That's a natural. I mean, do you think that's a maha natural muscle tone from him? Or do you think maybe there's some supplemental? Yeah, I think it looks too good to be true. Doesn't it? Doesn't it look too good to be true? Real quick, everybody, very bond situation. Kind of. Yeah. Before we get to be true? Real quick everybody, before we- It feels like it might be a Barry Bond situation kind of. Before we get to Boomer Mailbag, Dante, can you just throw up the video of President Trump

snubbing Cheryl Hines at the UFC game? The fights are on. It's pretty incredible. That's crazy. It's insane. Okay, Boomer Mailbag time. It is about to be Boomer Mailbag time, but the first Boomer mailbag question was from Jack Schlossberg. Actually, he posted this on social media,

which member of the Trump cabinet has had the most homosexual experiences? I have a very strong view on this, but I want to go last. So Cameron, I'd like to hear your answer first, which Trump cabinet? And we're going to, I guess we could include Scott Besant and he is an avowed homosexual with a Barbie house, but it's possible he's like the kind of gay that's only had one, maybe it's just him and his husband, and that's it. So you could throw him in if you want.

Cameron, you go first. I think Slay D. Vance is probably the gayest one. I know this is kind of a hot take, but just I read a bunch of his book there that was very, get ready for this, Tim, queer coded language. And I think his physicality, his vibes, I think it, and just the insecurity, there's a there's a lot of insecurity to him and a desire to be gaining approval from others that is characteristic of somebody who is hiding something. And I think the only circumstance in which a 10,

like Usha, would marry him is if there was an understanding that she wouldn't have to actually share a bed with him. So, it's Lady Vance. Okay, Jack, what about you? Well, I did a poll and overwhelmingly Vance, but I left an important person out of that poll to important people out, which one of them you might be able to guess Hex F. I forgot to put in the poll. I don't know. He something about him. And then second is Marco Rubio.

How about the sleeper Marco Rubio never saw it coming, it might just be him. So being a former Republican op a research guy, I do have some additional thoughts on this. Marco was, there's a lot of chatter about Marco having some homosexual experiences in South Miami, but I think it was slander in this case. I think that it was people, I think it was Republicans that were connecting foam parties as a gay thing because Republicans are lame and don't

realize that like straight guys also liked foam parties. So I think just because Marco went to South Beach foam parties does not necessarily mean that was a gay thing. I think that was just like kind of a Cuban thing. So I don't know that Marco is the man here. I think it's obviously JD Vance and you've seen him in makeup in high school. And I mean, I think the JD probably has had at least three homosexual experiences, I think I would say. And for that, what can we say but slay? Okay, we'll go to the actual Boomer mailbag. Are we ready? Here we go. This one comes from old vanilla. This was my favorite one that we've received. Jack and Cameron, this is for you. Because I have no expertise here. I've gotten the impression that Gen Z women

are expected to consent to being choked and slapped during sex. Is this common or just sensationalized? I only ever choke when I am directly asked because I think that that's mean and I don't like mean during sex. I think that sex you're supposed to be nice. So if the choke is requested, I will participate in it because I'm a team player and I want everybody to feel accommodated for. But generally speaking, any mean stuff like mean talk, demeaning talk

and everything like that, it just goes against what sex is to me. Sex is like the nicest thing you can do with somebody. And I like to keep it that way. Cameron, as a fellow narcissist, I appreciate that you made that question about you. But the actual question was, is this common? You know, is this common? So is your, but you know, maybe you're unique. Is what common? People, You know, this is common. So is your, but you know, maybe you're common people, women wanting to get choked and slapped during sex. Gen Z women wanting to get choked and slapped. Is that common?

I have often been asked to be a little bit less of a house cat and a little more aggressive. So I suppose it's common. Yeah. Jack, do you have anything on that? I have, you know, no data to share only my, you know, concept conceptual instincts, which say that is it common to be expected? I don't know. That sounds like a pretty that's extreme expected, right?

That's just expect. And is that consent? Is that really consent? If it's expected of you? I don't know. It's a good question. So we think we thinking it's getting more you? I don't know. That's a good question. So we think we thinking it's getting more or less, more or less common. I think a lot of young people, and I don't really know about women in this situation, but I think a lot of young people are watching more porn.

And I think porn promotes a more aggressive form of sex. And I think that it's young men's, uh, of how sex is supposed to go, at least has been very, very altered. Cause you know, back in the day, someone like Tim in a, in an alternate reality where Tim has ever had sexual attraction towards a woman. Um, you know, maybe, maybe you steal a dirty magazine from your dad's closet and that's what you get. And maybe you see a porno DVD that's like on a set with characters following some sort of a narrative. But like with us, it's just on our iPhone, there is aggressive porn

that we can just access anywhere in the world. So I think porn has really changed the way that especially do we need porn regulation? Do you think what do you guys think? Do I think we need porn regulation? So First Amendment issue? I think something has to be done about the if you look at porn hubs, terms of service, there's some pretty fucked shit in there.

And I think that a lot of porn on the internet is not as consensual as they may want you to believe. But I don't know from a legal standpoint how I would handle that. Jack is pro First Amendment. All right. I just wanted to just clarify. Yes, I love your first amendment. All right.

Final question. We get this one a lot. Cam gets this one a lot. So Jack, you can field this one as a final earnest question. I will just say about your podcast before we get to the final question. Test drive of Jack Sloshberg, which takes place in this van. I watched it this morning. And you know, one thing I love about you is you really, and Cameron, is you're veering between sarcasm and mocking and withering jokes about Jared Kushner's outfit to very earnest thoughts about the state of our nation and politics. We're on a journey with you back and forth in that. And that's what I like. So we'll end with something. Thank you. One thing I didn't like that you didn't get a chance to get to is your defense of Hunter

Biden, but we'll do some bonus content on that another day. Lori, whose email signature is wisdom begins in wonder. Producer Tony just wanted to make sure we had that context. Wisdom begins in wonder. Let me think about that for a second. It really does. It really does, Lori. I'm glad you said that. Laurie says, Jack, why is your generation not more involved in the resistance against the current regime? Is that true?

I feel like that's not really what I'm saying. Have you gone to any protests? Yes, I have. And it feels kind of old. It feels a little boomery at the protest, no? Yeah, but at the same time, like my phone is on fire with people who are protesting with comments and likes and sharing stuff. So yeah, like it depends where you look.

I don't know. I think and like the last we just had an election where young people were the decisive factor in New York City, like hands down. So I think people actually are involved or more than they were maybe a year ago, and I'll take it. But I do think that both parties, the Democratic Party has not done a good enough job in encouraging young people and making use of the most valuable resource. I think the Democratic Party spends more time resenting young people for not bending to

their will than they do trying to meet us where we're at. I think I see Democrats angry at young people more than I see Democrats trying to bargain with young people because I think they feel very entitled to our votes. And then you see someone and you were talking about this like Zoran Lumdani, who was able to not only get young people to vote for him, he was also able to get a ton of young people to go fucking canvas for him. And instead of embracing that and saying, gee, what can we learn from this?

You have them coming out and saying, I'm not going to endorse him because of anti-Semitism that he never did. So the Democrats, I say this all the time, get handed winning shit on a silver platter and just turn it away. But the last point I wanted to make to that was I think young people have a different understanding of what will work in terms of organizing, because we see how big digital stuff was in securing Trump another victory, right?

We had a guest with 13 million followers talking about how crucial TikTok was in securing the Latino vote. We see all we always talk about Trump going on the pods, Netanyahu going on Milk Boys to do fascist Hasbra. You know, we see all these things happening. And young people are like, digital organizing is probably going to be more valuable than going out at March and marching. Because the protest that shaped our youth were women's march and not to discredit the extraordinary work that was done by the brave women who did that, but women are still getting sexually assaulted all the time and we still see it all the time.

Black Lives Matter, cops are still killing black people, march for our lives, not a lot of substantive things were done about guns. Whereas the boomers who are showing up to the no Kings protests and stuff like that, they saw the Vietnam protests, they saw the civil rights protests and they have more of a sense that if we show up and flood the streets, something can happen. Whereas I think young people have seen these big marches happen with so much fanfare, but we haven't seen the substantive results that we wanted. And therefore we're like, okay, well making a tick tock might actually change more people's minds than making like a poster board.

Tick tock legend, Jack Schlossberg, protest legend, Cameron Caskey. Guys, that's so good. Jack, since I didn't know you, we know you spent time in Covington. I appreciate you doing this pod, but like, and it's cool and we're mask. We're very masculine and very bro here on this pod. We're not, we're not that woke Cameron's walk, but so it's very, it's good. It's a good start for you, but like, let's move you even into like more mask space where there's going to be less gay talk. Theo let's get you on Theo and like hanging out with him. You guys can do a little Covey to talk and like bro down.

All right. Love that. All right. Thank you guys. We'll work on it. I appreciate it, brother. We'll be seeing you soon. All right.

Thank you guys. Thanks Cameron. Thanks for watching folks.