Bulwark Takes - Karoline Leavitt Thinks We’re All Idiots

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

JVL and Andrew Egger take on a surreal White House briefing where everything is supposedly “going great”—even as TSA chaos, rising gas prices, and a widening Iran conflict tell a very different story. Plus: how JD Vance is getting boxed into a political no-win situation.Visit https://upwork.com right now and post your job for free.

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And good news, Andrew, everything is great. Everything is fantastic. The world is amazing. The war is so explosions. Explosions. War. There is one problem. One problem only, Andrew.

And that is the TSA lines that people are being forced to endure in this country by the Democrat Party. We're going to unpack all of Carolyn Leavitt's kind of insane press conference. But I want to start with one thing that I, as she said it in Slack, I sort of type to you at all caps, Andrew. She said, the cruelty is the point, which is, I think, a phrase made famous by Adam Sewer from the Atlantic talking about the Trump administration and the things that the Trump administration has done. For instance, feeding USAID into the woodchipper, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands

of poor people, the ICE enforcement, which targets like children, going to schools and results in the gunning down of American citizens on the streets and the sending of people to Gulags in El Salvador. But here she was, what's the term for this, Andrew, when somebody goes and reclaims a word that was originally used as a slur to attack them? I don't know if you have a specific term in mind. I usually think of this as like the your rules move when it's being deployed by, in this sort of cynical way, by people in mega world. You know, a lot of times it's, it's, you know, accusations of racism or fascism or any one of those things. This is the first time I can remember seeing an actual Trump official evoke this particular

phrase, which was, you know, obviously ghoulish for all the obvious reasons, as well as just sort of like a strange deep cut, okay? Like other guys, this is, this goes back to the first term, right? I mean, Adam Serwer was was talking about this and like maybe even in a campaign. I think talking about maybe the deportation, the family separation policy. And just the rally, the rhetoric at the rallies and, you know, mocking, you know, a disabled reporter, like the really early stuff. And when Carolyn Leather was like 14 years old. So it's kind of amazing that she, that she even has access to the deep lore in that way. But what's funny is that she, she deploys it when talking about TSA lines.

For the Democrats in Congress, the cruelty of this shutdown is the point. Nearly 500 TSA officers have quit since the Democrat shutdown began. President Trump, to alleviate this pressure, made the decision to send some of our amazing ice agents to help alleviate that stress and address the long wait times. Her position seems to be that the Democrat Party, she never misses an opportunity to say that, that they have purposely done this to make TSA lines worse. And I have to say, if you saw the tweet going around today of Bill Barr in the normal TSA line, not even the TSA pre, just the normal, sitting there. It looks so cruel, such hardship. The other part of the thing, in addition to sort of like the consumer difficulties is the paychecks for the agents themselves, right? Which is like the cause of the the cause of the snarled traffic there.

There are a lot of people who are not showing up. Well, they're not getting paid. There are some agents who are quitting. And obviously we're going to talk about all of this. But the bizarre split screen of Carolyn Levitt still trying to carry out the administration's line here that this is all the Democrats' fault. Obviously, that's just what you do in a shutdown. You blame the other side. But it has been pretty substantially undercut by many things the president himself has been saying.

And other Republicans have been saying. I mean, like the Republicans in the Senate and the Democrats in the Senate have reached a deal to reopen all of the parts of the Department of Homeland Security except for ICE, which would get, you know, most obviously, which would get TSA back to work. They keep saying this. They keep saying, you know, we've got it. The deal's right there. We just kind of need the president to buy in. And the president keeps going out in public and saying, ah, you know, that deal's not going to really work for me. I'm sure we're going to talk about all that stuff.

But it's just, it's strange. I mean, it's strange to see Carolyn Levitt come out to the podium for the first time in a number of days and just sort of act as though all of the developments we have gotten in this story just never, never actually took place. And it's still just purely the Democrats' fault that all this stuff has happened. It's amazing. So let's let's back up. Let's talk about Iran first. So she talked about how great the war is going. that, I mean, I know that before this war began, the Iranian Navy was the talk of the town.

All anybody ever did was talk about the Iranian Navy. And she has made the point that we have done to the Iranian Navy what, I don't even know. She had some historical pair of, you know, no Navy since 1342 has ever been so decimated the way we have decimated the Iranian Navy. I mean, good for us, I guess. She had a lot of things to say about Iran, which were sort of interesting. And I don't know where you want to go first. Do you want to talk about J.D. Vance first and his role? Do you want to talk about her suggestion that actually the negotiations are ongoing and they're real serious?

They're happening right now. Or do you want to talk about how regime change is mission accomplished? We have actually had regime change in Iran. They're all great. Let me just take one second with the thing you started with there, with the destruction of the Iranian Navy. The fastest three-week destruction of any Navy, as you said, I think she said since World War II or something like that. It was just kind of this amazing thing. I mean, everyone all along has known that when you stack up the military of the United States of America

against the military of Iran, it's not really a fair fight. It's not any fight at all, actually. It's been very obvious since the very first bombing raids that we were going to have, like total military supremacy when it came to just our ability to put, you know, ordinance on targets, right? And that was going to be pretty easy for us. And everybody acknowledged that, like, immediately. And yet, as all these other problems have piled up, you cannot see any White House person come to any podium ever without them opening things up with a lengthy diatribe about how unfair it is that nobody will acknowledge this point that everyone all along. Yes, it's like, don't you guys realize, don't you, don't you see how much destruction we're reeking and how good the fight is and how, and how, you know, you. you know, how effortless it is to project American power.

And what's interesting is I had kind of thought that this was only like a, like, kind of boot bait for Bubba all along, that this was just purely sort of like their PR strategy is like, don't look at the economic consequences. Don't look at, you know, the Strait of Hormuz or the price of oil or anything. Just look at these fun little, like, sizzle real videos of our guys, like, drone striking things. Isn't that great? Isn't that awesome? Don't you love that? And I thought that was like an outside PR messaging strategy.

And then today, interestingly enough, we got some reporting this morning that it actually is not just just a boob bait for Bubba out there. It is also boot bait for Bubba in the Oval Office that Donald Trump on a kind of daily basis is getting his war briefings. And they are featuring two-minute sizzle reels of all the targets that were hit the day before in exactly this same way. And that is like crucial to Donald Trump's own personal information diet of how this conflict is going. So I just wanted to get that out there. I mean, I guess they're just going to keep doing it. because it is the only, like, exciting, cool, good fact for America is that, yeah, I guess, I mean, I like that we can hit our targets without suffering a lot of, you know, direct military pain. That's a good thing. It's nice to be in that situation militarily.

You know, that's, that's nice, but it's not really the main thing right now. And I think that the fact that they keep redirecting to it is pretty clear. You know, okay, sidebar, do you think they are giving him unproduced clips? because those things come, they're silent and the resolution on them isn't great, or do you think they're adding a soundtrack and a fully mix? So like with the sound of explosions layered into it and like some thumping club music. Because I got to think, I think if they just showed like the normal like plain vanilla gun cam, sir, sir, here's a, here's a 5,000 pound bomb hitting a radar site.

Sir, I think that he probably wouldn't be able to stay engaged. It is not as much fun. I would imagine. I mean, if you're going only by the sizzle real clips that they're putting out on the internet, it's not only like the club beat and the sound of the explosions. It is also, you know, interspersed clips of like NFL

Patrick Bateman. Like knocking out of a wide receiver who's going up for the ball. He had blown up! Yeah, so who knows? Who knows how much of that you need to keep in front of the president of the United States to be like, hey, hey, man, there's a war.

Here's how it's going. But yes, apparently more than you would hope. hope for. How much more than you'd hope for is unclear, but it's more than you should, more than the president should need. How about we put it that way? All right. So, uh, we are winning very hard. We are also desperate to negotiate. And the White House is insisting that despite what the Iranians have said. So, so we had leaked that there was a 15 point plan that the, uh, the president had presented to the Iranians through intermediaries. I don't know if this is, if, you've read Art of the Deal, but I'm pretty sure that make the first offer is not art of the deal.

Pretty sure that in like the whole history of negotiations, you're supposed to not make that. If Jack Donegie taught me anything from 30 Rock, it's that you got to be, hmm, quiet, use the power of silence. So we, we seem to have presented a 15 point plan to Iran through Pakistani intermediaries. this first offer was actually pretty good for Iran anyway, but they have subsequently rejected it. And Carolyn Leavitt insisted, no, no, no, no, no, we're having ongoing talks, still talking. Within the past few hours, Iranian State TV has said that Iran has rejected the U.S.'s 15-point plan to end the war. What's the White House's response to that? And have these talks hit a dead end? They have not. Talks continue. They are pretty.

productive, as the president said on Monday. Very productive negotiations. Is that a sign that you're winning? It's not great. It's not a great sign that you're winning. The way that she always messages these things, too, is, I mean, she has kind of the same move for pretty much any situation that involves sort of like, like the negotiations with anybody overseas where she kind of like looks at the reporter who asks about it and is like,

like we would clue you in, like we would tell you anything about what's going on. And there's sort of this, this sort of like contempt to it. And obviously the president does this as well. Scaling a business takes the right expertise at the right time. Upwork helps growing teams quickly bring in specialized freelancers so you can move faster and take the business to the next level. Upwork helps grow your business by giving you fast access to specialized talent across 125 categories so you can fill skill gaps and launch projects faster and scale support up or down

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when when they were kind of in the, in the full flower of their first, like, all out of salt on American institutions. They were just trying to sideline the press. And, you know, their popularity wasn't great, but it was a lot better than it is now. And they were charging forward, forward, forward. And they were, you know, striking this posture from a position of, like, domestic strength. And now it's so much the opposite.

Like the bottom has fallen out of their support. They're shedding, you know, members of their coalition, left and right, Obviously, they have no plan for how to extract themselves from this conflict that they find themselves in. And yet, there's no other playbook from in terms of messaging to the press. I mean, like, you could imagine a different White House that would acknowledge that there are some real American concerns about how the negotiations are going, right? The price of oil has gone berserk.

We were not in great economic straits before, but right now. it is looking really, really bad for everybody, for everybody all over the place. We're embroiled in a Middle Eastern war that nobody signed up for, that Congress never voted to authorize. And that the second we got in there, Donald Trump, knowing that there was no domestic appetite for this, you know, the bombs had barely even begun to fall before these people were like, don't worry, don't worry, this is like a little blip. It's a tiny little thing. We're in, we're out. It's going to be no problem at all. It's going to be great. And yet here we are weeks and weeks along and and when the when the spokespeople of the administration come up to the podium and you ask,

hey, we've been hearing some concerning stuff about these negotiations. How are those going, by the way? And the fact that they still have the call, you were, you would come into this room and you would dare ask us how the negotiations are going. I mean, like, it's, I just don't think it flies. I'm sorry. I don't think there are that many people out there who see that and they're like, you know what, Carolyn, that sounds great. I'm actually incredibly reassured by this. Some, uh, some interesting things from this part of the, the press conference. She, she, she said this is not a war. It is a short-term combat operation. Short-term and getting longer. I don't know. She said that he's doing this for the young people.

Speak a lot to young voters, many of whom voted for President Trump for the first time in 2024, you know, hoping to have no more wars and to have lower prices. Now, with a war taking place and with gas prices going up, here's what President Trump is, Trump's message of B to those voters who kind of swung into his coalition in 2024, but maybe don't feel the administration's going as they'd expected. President Trump is doing this for you. He's doing this for young people so that we are no longer threatened by a rogue terrorist regime in the Middle East that seeks to kill the brave men and women who serve in our country

in the Middle East, many of them, young people themselves, young men and women who serve this country honorably in uniform and have been threatened, killed, and maimed by the rogue Iranian terrorist regime for 47 years. President Trump finally had the courage to step up and do what's right by our national security, our homeland security. It's just like, wow. That's amazing. He's doing it for the young people.

Do you think the young people, the young? I mean, part of me has like the Steve Bouchemmy clip in this, you know, hello young people. So that was the guy. He was in the new media seat this morning. He got the first question at the briefing was Gabe Fleischer, who's like a kid reporter with like a journalistic pedigree. And now he's there in the new media seat. So he has, he's, he's a pretty good ag in my, in my sort of limited exposure to him. And it's a good question, right?

I mean, like, it is, it is actually the case. And we've seen this in a lot of public polling that, that young men in particular, were a really big part of the Trump coalition in 2024, extremely important to his victory, spent all of last year kind of being like, oh gosh, I don't know about all this. And in particular, we knew from the polling were worried even last year that that Trump was far more focused on foreign entanglements. than they had expected him to be, then he had carried himself as though he were going to act when he was on the campaign trail. And that was last year. That was just, you know, when we were doing limited strikes on Iran's nuclear program and when we were going into Venezuela. And now we have opened up this gigantic new can of worms in terms of the possibility of another long military entanglement over there.

You know, we have, you know, Army special operations units currently in transit to the Gulf to just give Trump a few more, you know, arrows in his quiver. a little bit more flexibility in how he and how he approaches these negotiations. And so the question is, this isn't what young men were promised from the, you know, no more wars pro-piece president. So like what gives? And yes, the answer, as you just mentioned, utterly unsatisfying. They are, they have no new news. They have nothing to say to these people that were so important in them before and are

abandoning them in droves. So I guess a couple questions here then to follow up. First of all, does it look like he's trying to wriggle out? So there was a question about regime change. And Carolyn Leavitt's position seemed to be that, yes, we did regime change. I don't know that she knows what the word regime means. Or maybe she is trying to lawyer it out. Like, you know, well, it depends on what the definition of is is or what the meaning of

is is. like there is a different person who is the head of the Islamic Republic, but it is still the Islamic Republic. It's not a new form of government. And her position seems to be with, you know, we did it. We got our president said he wanted regime change and we did it. Is that trying to set the, like walk back his, because he had said on like day four, I think, of the war or something in the first week, you know, oh yeah, you know, we have to have new leadership and I have to help pick the leader. He does seem to have backed off of that entirely.

So this seems to be her way of saying, no, we didn't back off. We did it. Yes, we won. Yeah, and she's channeling the president himself as she's doing this, right? I mean, he got up in the Oval Office yesterday. We have really regime change.

You know, this is a change in the regime because the leaders are all very different than the ones that we started off with that created all those problems. So, like, he is, He's even got a different name. Kamani, right? Oh.

Yeah. I mean, I do think, and this is just, let me go off on a bit of a speculative jag here. I do wonder how much of this is the fact that they are actually locked into a little bit of ambiguity here. Because it's not American bombing that has been actually targeting the regime officials. It's been, you know, it's been the Israelis who are continuing to, you know, pulverize more and more and more of the actual, like, upper structures of the remains. of the remaining, you know, Iranian regime. And so, like, you could imagine a situation where, like, Donald Trump doesn't want to say, you know, we're good, actually.

Like, we now have the set of leaders that we want. If then, you know, the next day we're all going to wake up to a headline that Israel has killed yet another, you know, remaining top regime leader. That could cause some interesting friction. Again, I don't know if that's the case. I just, that's been one interesting sort of like asymmetry in Israel and America. America's war aims that we've seen over the last couple of weeks. But of course, the other element of it is just, you know, this weird kind of art of the deal stuff

where Trump continues to say, like, they're on the precipice of agreeing to everything we want. And don't worry, we're going to be done in two days. And that obviously requires a certain amount of like underpinning assumptions about the people who are making those decisions over there, even though every bit of reporting that's actually sourced to the Iranian leaders is essentially the biggest most maximalist pile of demands you could ever expect. I mean, there was reporting in the Wall Street Journal just this morning that's like Iran is sort of coming up to our intermediaries at the negotiating table and basically saying, all right, we need all Americans out of the Gulf region, we need reparations paid, we need to be

able to charge a toll in the Strait of Hormuz from here until Judgment Day from now on. We've never done before, but that's the price to reopen it. And we need security guarantees from America that America and Israel will never ever, you know, come attack us again. And we need to be able to keep all the ballistic missiles that we currently have. I mean, like, there is no indication from that public reporting that there is, that this is anything close to the truth. And obviously, you know, that's, that could just as easily be bombast and smoke and mirrors as anything that the White House is saying.

But I think the bottom line is that none of these statements from any of these people on any of these sides are actually giving us any sort of illumination into what the actual kind of pressure points are when it comes to this negotiation and when you are sweeping the rhetoric aside and just looking at the behavior, as you just mentioned a minute ago, it is America that continues to basically say, don't worry, any minute now will be done. We're going to get out of their hair. You don't need to worry. And it's Iran that's basically saying, we will fight this war for a thousand years. And the global economy will suffer and that's just okay with us. So, you know, that's the showing part of it all. So the most canny thing the Iranians have done in the last 24 hours seems to be floating the idea that actually they're not going to deal with Jared, just Jared and Wickoff anymore.

They want J.D. Vance to be the negotiator and the mediator, which I'm sorry, even if it's just trolling, is fantastic. Do you have thoughts on putting J.D. Vance in charge of negotiating a treaty for the war he didn't want that he can't support? but also can't run away from. It's a little bit like when Joe Biden, you know, four years ago, dumped the border situation on Kamala Harris where she was like, here, I'm going to put this in my vice president's portfolio, you know, like she doesn't have enough going on. I'm going to put, you know, the single most politically toxic, you know,

issue that I have. I'm going to say that's hers. That'll probably never come back to bite us in any political way whatsoever. It's obviously a little different since it's Iran. I mean, like, who knew? Who knew that Iran was. was so online that they would be able to sort of like tweak the vice president in this way. But that's just in terms of JD's whole role in the war, I have kind of seen that as sort of like a parallel thing.

He wants to be able to run in 2028. It is not clear what outcome of this war facilitates that in the slightest. Basically, no matter what, he's going to be running sort of in spite of everything that's going on right now. and Iran apparently cease fit to put to ratchet up the pressure on him in this way. And for him, he needs there to not be ground troops and he needs it over sooner like yesterday, right? Is that about right, do you think? The longer it goes on, the worse it is for JD. The longer it goes on, the more all of these guys who are like supposedly big anti-war thinkers,

you know, the more they box themselves in because they need to draw, you know, brighter and brighter red lines. seen this like from, from, I don't know, like the president of the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts and things like that, where they are, they are required to split hairs. And the fact that we have gotten embroiled in this war with Iran, they have to say, well, you know, this wasn't really like, this wasn't the kind of, the kind of, you know, regime change war that we spent the last several years insisting was like the single worst thing you could do as an American political leader, like bar none. Because the difference is those bad kinds of wars had boots on the ground, right?

Right. But now maybe we're going to get those boots on the ground. And it's not like three years ago statements from Kevin Roberts and J.D. Vance and all those people. It's like two weeks ago statements. So, so, you know, J.D. can't even really do that, which is part of why he has completely vanished from the limelight. I mean, Donald Trump doesn't want J.D. burnishing J.D.'s future political prospects by boxing in rhetorically the behavior of him and his administration right now. So it's a real problem. I mean, J.D. has, there's a reason why he has suddenly, finally broken. and his internet habit. It would be sort of canny for Trump to force J.D. to carry this water, wouldn't it? I mean, that way, if you're, if you're at all concerned about J.D. going off the reservation, making him eat this, that's not bad, right? Or is this just me being too helpful? I can see that. I just think, I think Trump has so much contempt for all of the people in his immediate orbit. I'm not even 100% sure it occurs to him. Like, you know, like Adolf Hitler used to spend a lot of time playing his different vice-roy's office. one another so that they would never, you know, form a pact.

He was far from the only one to do this. It's kind of standard authoritarian behavior. It's never been super obvious to me that Trump has those, like that particular collection of neurons that it even like occurs to him that he would get stabbed in the back because I just I really do think that he probably correctly believes that these are all just sort of feckless toadies and they don't have it in them. But, you know, there's probably a universe in which, in which, you know, a version of Trump would try to do that and would be correct to try to.

to do that. So who knows? Maybe I'm misreading the big guy, but that's kind of how I have seen him. It's funny you mentioned Hitler because I was thinking about the bunker scene from Downfall when Caroline said she used a phrase which had clearly been workshopped to talk about gas prices. She talked about a temporary short-term fluctuation in gas prices. As for the temporary short-term fluctuation in gas prices, the president has said, once these combat operations are over, this administration is going to continue to unleash American energy dominance. I just imagined, you know, her and Miller and all them down, you know, just, well, what are we going to, how are we going to vote? What are we going to call this? Well, it's temporary, obviously, and a short term.

And it's a fluctuation. You know, it goes up. It goes down. Yeah. Which way is it fluctuating? I'm eager to know. I'm eager to find out. That's kind of fun.

Do you think that works? Nothing works. There's no way to spend gas. I mean, like, that's, what did we, what did we spend all of Biden learning? It's like, you just, you can't spend your way out of it. You know, the number on the pump goes up and you suffer politically. And it wasn't just Biden. It was everybody all around the world, right?

It was, you know, every, every world leader coming out of post-COVID inflation through the bums out, including Americans. They threw out Joe Biden and the COVID, or the, the gas prices stuff was a big reason why. And even that was like, not exactly, you know, there were like maybe small ways in which Biden's energy policy had like, you know, secondary order effects on the gas prices. But like it wasn't like this.

It wasn't like, you know, Joe Biden went and stuck a cork in key energy, you know, like through, through ways around the world in the way that Donald Trump has done right now. So, I mean, any way they slice it. they are really, really cooked on this stuff unless it goes back to normal fast. And there's just no indication that even if they were to strike some kind of deal tomorrow, that that is what would happen. So it's hard to blame Carolyn Leavitt.

You know, she's got to go up to the podium and say something. And it's not like there's any other thing that she could have said that would have worked better. But I'm not convinced that this was necessarily even the best option. That's a good phrase, though. We should keep that one in the word bank. All right. Anything else? Any other dealer's choice here for you from the from the show? No, I don't know. I used to think last year, I was pretty much of the opinion that Carolyn Leve was actually pretty good at this job.

She was, she's a good press secretary for Donald Trump from a position of strength. She's good at twisting the knife. She's good at deflecting with a laugh. You know, she's good at hitting her marks and showing contempt for the press and all those things that like the White House really values. and that the MAGA base really values, it is not necessarily clear to me that she has any other speed. It's not really clear to me that if the White House wants to make up any political ground,

wants to win anybody back between now and the midterms, that she has a single tool in her rhetorical arsenal that is conducive to that. But neither do any of the rest of them. This is not an administration that is big on introspection or big on, you know, what's the median voter have to say or think about all of this? So I don't know, I guess they'll just keep

trotting her out there. You know, more power to you, Caroline. Fantastic. Well, we'll get more. Donald Trump himself is going to keep speaking. We're going to keep bombing and exploding with our maximum alpha toughness. Can't wait. In the meantime, hit like, hit subscribe. Follow the channel. Stay with us at the bulwark.

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