Bulwark Takes - Laura Loomer’s Unhinged Crusade Is Eating the Right Alive

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

Sam Stein, Tim Miller, and Will Sommer break down the explosive feud between Candace Owens and Laura Loomer, including the shocking “sexual predator” and gay husband accusations flying back and forth. The trio takes on Donald Trump’s teased MAGA media rankings and builds their own list of winners, losers, and the truly unhinged figures in Trumpworld. Plus, why a devoted Nick Fuentes supporter went on CNN to talk about his hero and then found himself in his crosshairs.Read more from Will's "False Flag" newsletter here: https://www.thebulwark.com/s/false-flag

Hey, everybody. It's me, Sam Stein, here with Will Summer and Tim Miller. The True is back. Thought about you guys all on my vacation. Really, really desperately wanted to do this, but just couldn't get away from the famine time to many margaritas, I think. Could have done from that hotel of shower. I thought about it. It wouldn't have gone well. Closed. Clothed. Hey, listen, before we get into this, we got a lot coming on.

I just want everyone to be alerted to the fact that we got some great live shows coming up in San Diego and L.A. They are next month. Tickets are going fast, so you definitely should try to get one. You can buy tickets at the bulwark.com slash events. Go check it out. I'm just going to give a tease. We're going to talk a lot about Candace and Laura Lumer, who seemed to be fighting a fair bit online.

And then we're going to do a little bit of Will's newsletter, which I'm excited about from last night. But the thing I really were going to be a little gimmicky here. I wanted to do something. It kind of got unnoticed. Donald Trump last week's put out some posts where he's like, oh, I could do rankings of the maga pundits,

the good, the bad, and the mediocre. He's like, but I'm too busy, but we're not too busy. And so we have Will doing a ranking and maybe Tim can chime in with his own rankings of the macuponuments. We got them lined up. There's about 18 of them. So it's going to take a while. But we're starting with Candace. And what are we, how are we ranking them?

What are the terms of the categories? We're just going to do it based on Trump's own guidelines, the best, the moderate, and the worst. But we can do your own rankings. I'm not going to be too. Well, I don't use the Rupal system, but we can use the Rupal option. I like the Rupal option. You can, you're free, this is a free country. You can do what you want. All right. Let's start with Candace Law, Lumer. This is the Iran-Roc War of our times. I have not really understood why this is breaking out to the degree it is right now. I know Will probably knows this like it's the Bible.

So, Will, what is the backstory here? Yeah, so obviously, you know, the stakes here. The stakes here, here are Candace's is very anti-Semitic, opposed to Israel. Laura's on the opposite side of that. And obviously it's gotten more heated with the Iran war. So that's kind of like what was going on before. More recently, Laura has started going directly at Candice. She's saying, you know, I'm digging into Candice's businesses. I'm digging into her husband.

This guy named George Farmer, a very wealthy British guy. And so that is sort of why they're now really tearing into each other just over the past few days. Laura Lumer's been going for the jugular with the businesses of the kind of America firsters. She went after Trump's or excuse me, she went after Tucker's Zinn competitor company. She celebrated the hijacking of his nicotine pouches, yes. Yeah, yeah, she celebrated hijacking. And the gold, and the gold too, right? Yeah, the gold.

So she's been going for the finances. And, you know, people get upset when you call them anti-Semites and go for their money. that's yes uh you know as jews that's what we care about uh anyways moving on so let's give you a little taste we're going to just read this first loomer one about candace owens living with a man named ryan who she was dating i'm going to we're going to put it up here can't solace was living with a man named ryan who she was dating for seven years when he came home one day and told him she was engaged to george farmer how is she devout catholic two weeks before she was engaged to George Farmer. She was living in Philadelphia with Ryan and her cat. She threw the cat in there.

She was planning to marry Ryan. Then she met Jordan. Two weeks later, she's engaged in because she had more money than Ryan. Jesus Christ. Don't let her tell you she's some devout Catholic. She's from the streets. Ah, okay. She's for the streets. She's for the streets. Sorry. Okay, Ryan was her Republican boyfriend who converted her from Democrats, Republican by helping her make videos under the username Red Pill Black. How do I know? because Candace invited me to dinner with her and Ryan in Connecticut multiple times in 2017. She's a social climber and will say and do anything for money and fame, including abandon a man she spent seven years with for a lady like Brit. With a trust fund and rich daddy. Isn't that right? At Lord the Lord Farmer.

Please tell us why you don't follow your daughter-in-law next. Oh, my God. First of all, Elon needs to bring back the character limits. These tweets are too long. I assume the Lord Farmer is George Farmer's father who's a Lord. Yeah, Mr. Copper, as he's known, because he's a wealthy metals trader in the UK. And yes, he's a member of the House of Lords. And so that is kind of what Laura's setting up here.

I don't know the backstory regarding Ryan, the jilted, maybe boyfriend. Well, isn't Ryan the guy she was living with? Yeah, I know. Do we know anything about him? No, no, I don't. And so, like, what we're looking at here is we have. That feels like a false flag news letter. Where's Ryan these days?

Where is Ryan? Ryan, come back. You were kind of like the Spengali who created Candace Owens. So basically what we're looking at here is two people who have really lengthy backstories, some in court records, some not, that have really been picked over. And so whenever these people start fighting, they kind of dredge all this stuff up. In this case, you know, Candice Owens did get engaged to this George Farmer guy, who again is very wealthy because of his father after, I think she has said like two weeks of knowing each other. So that's really pretty short.

There's like a Scientologist, a wealthy Scientologist they're really tight with in the UK. So there's a lot of kind of like weird stuff Laura's dredging up here. George does give off kind of a Ponzi effect, I will say. But I just think that's European. At the millennial level, this is different among the Gen Zs. But at the millennial level, there's always a thing, European or gay. And I do think that the George Farmer is just falling on the European side of that. But Laura Loomer is trying to make it in something.

What does that mean if you're European, you come off as gay? Yeah, I mean, for a certain demo, yeah, a lot of Europeans came off a little gay, a little fruity. Every European, across the continent. Well, you know, more so than the average person from Little Rock, yeah. Like if you took the median person from Little Rock and the median person from Brussels and they're a 38-year-old man, the Brussels gentleman is going to seem a little bit, you know, a little bit lighter in the low person. I don't know if I agree with that. Their outfits are true.

It's true. You need to travel the world a little bit more. I would like to read the Candace Owens' response tweet, if you don't mind. Because this is what prompted my demand that we trio. There are many others. We're going to show some other things. But this was the one that really caught my eye. So following Laura Lumer, suggesting that Candace's Owen,

Owens' husband might be a little ladylike, that the marriage might be inauthentic. Candace strikes back with this. Looks like I struck a nerve with Larry. She calls Laura a Larry. I think it's kind of a transgender joke. You think? You keep sharing this weird AI photo of my husband and Milo Unopolis, hoping that someone will believe it's real.

How pathetic do you have to be to sit around making AI photos? Again, you are deeply envious of my life, my husband, and my children. What is not AI are the photos and video that Milo has of you and your anti-psychotic medicine, plus the videos of you learning how to make a star of David. You are not Jewish, Larry. You are a white Irish girl, just like Rachel Dolazol. You've never had a bat mitzvah. It's really time to let this Jewish act go.

You think you're some scary thug, but you're just a manic depressive that has nothing of substance in your life. You're the useful idiot of the Trump campaign because they know that in your manic phases you stay until 1 a.m., authoring non-consequential schizo-lomer tweets while the rest of us are with our families. Everyone pities you. But the reality is you have both the face and the sad life. You deserve.

Woof. I mean, that is what you call going for the jugular. Yeah. That is, there's definitely like Laura, you know, went to like a seven and Candice came back. And he's like, she's like, here's a 6,972. Like I'm going full on take down. You're not, you are not a Jewist.

Yeah, is that a common? I've never heard that criticism lobbed at Laura Lumer that she's fake Jew. Like, I feel like that one is new. It was new to me. That's a new one. I mean, there's a sense that she grew up in a sort of like very secular Jewish household. I believe in Arizona somewhere out west.

But definitely not that she's just like just faking it entirely. that would be, I mean, that would be like quite a development in the Luma identity. What I'm curious about is in the reference to Laura as Larry and like where she keeps calling him Larry, it makes the attacks. Like is Candace a big Lebowski fan? Like is she doing the like, is this your homework, Larry? Like, is this your homework, Larry? Well, you know, the Larry thing was really popularized by Tucker Carlson's nicotine company in their. posts and also by Tucker's brother Buckley, who really has been mixing it up with Laura on Twitter for a while and will say, you know, thanks a lot, Larry or whatever. And so Candice is kind of picking up

the Larry thing here. The other thing I wanted to mention about Candace's husband, you know, obviously she's talking about this AI picture of, you know, it looks like he's very much in Milo's confidants. The, this accusation, it's very common, obviously, to accuse men in the right, in these inter-right feuds of being gay. An interesting thing that comes up here, is this accusation. Two worse things you can be. Jewish or gay or fake Jewish. Or fake Jewish, maybe even worse. Even worse. There's also this accusation that he groped Rahim Qasam, who is sort of a bananite who also owns the Mr. Butterworth's restaurant. Do we have another source on that? Because Rahim Kassam is a liar. Well, I just wanted to note that Rahim noted he at one point he was happy to host sort of a peace summit at Butterworth. And he said, Candace's husband can come as, long as, you know, he doesn't grab my hog or whatever.

So, you know, there are... Okay. Far be it for me to come to the defense of Candace's husband. But as somebody that who has been on the receiving end of Rahim Qasams, lies and smears, um, he likes to just malign people. And just totally, totally out of character for this universe. Can we not gloss over the fact that Candice went with, you never had a bat mitzvah as an insult?

Like, what, what? is this? We're not like, you never even had a bat mitzma. This is like Jewish summer camp. Insults. You read the phonetic spelling at your bat mitzvah. Yes. That might land in like the five towns of Long Island as an insult. But like I feel like no one, no one actually cares. Yeah. I don't, I don't know. I feel like me and JVL do those kinds of things with J.D. Vance. It's like, you know, like have you ever even prayed to St. Anthony when you lost something? J.D. Vance? No. Fake. Fake. fucking Catholic. But it's like you don't even, I mean, the bat mitzvah thing is so silly and trivial, but I guess

How is your bat mitzvah, Sam? It's a bar mitzvah for a man. Thank you for your understanding. And it was great, you know. Then shouldn't she have said bar mitzvah for? She was going with the larry stuff. Well, that's true. She's like, yes, I had a bar mitzvah.

Yeah, a real slip of that. No, but it's like, you know, you read from the Torah and your, your prepubescent voice, and then you play a game of Coke and Pepsi, which I'm sure you guys have no idea what I'm talking about. and you have some DJs dancing and that's it. It's not like a sign of real, I mean, it is actually a sign of religious virtue, but whatever. It's like it's a silly insult, I feel like. Kansas should brought more.

I want to play the Candace video, I think, attack on the Laura is also worth sharing. Yes. Why don't we pull that up to? Laura Lumer is also a malignant sexual predator and has been repeatedly accused since the beginning of her career of raping and sexually assaulting men. That is not a typical thing that men come out with, that men come out and say, I am a woman sexually assaulted me. Hold on.

I have to step in and do my usual disclaimer. There's no proof of this. We're not saying that it's true. Well, no. Well, not of assault. Not of assault. But there is a history of men saying Laura Lumer pursued them in ways that made them uncomfortable.

Gavin Wax, who was the head of the New York Young Republicans Club, was mixed up in one of the chat leaks. Now works in the Trump administration and the State Department, I believe. he at one point was like Laura Lumer stalking me I mean he was like writing blog post or something about this and then you know my there is just there's not a single real liable narrator

anywhere in any of the story it's like every time you bring something up it's like well Gavin Waxe said so and it's like Gavin Waxe it's like full of shit I need to just stop because the seriousness with which Will came back at me I've never seen Will jump into action usually you're so like calm

You can really see the influence, I believe, Milo Ewanopoulos is having behind the scenes here. He is obviously a very, a Lumer friend turned enemy, and he has long pushed this idea that Lumer assaulted one of the staffers on her congressional campaign or in general. And so you can see here, I think there's a lot of agendas at play. I did see another tweet from somebody talking about how Laura Lumer had made a pass at them. This was not a handsome man after an event. I wish I would have bookmarked it. But there are other other posters out there who are suggesting that she's been a little aggressive.

And yeah, the Milo feud, I mean, as we've discussed from the trio before, you got to see that firsthand when Laura Lumer broke up, my fight with Carrie Lake at a bar and then told me that she, part of the reason why she broke it up was because she had her eyes on another homosexual. And it was Mila. And then the two of them started screaming at each other at the bar. How do you keep track of all these feuds, Will?

Like there's so many different angles here. I love them. I love them. And, you know, people are always calling me, oh, you know, I got to get this person or whatever. So you're right. I mean, you know, we were talking about maybe someday doing kind of a whiteboard crazy wall where I explain all the different, different allegiances and feuds. Yeah. Well, let's play the other video, this sort of infamous loomer video, where she does appear to be throwing herself at an individual male.

And this one's always made the rounds. Candice, Candice put this up as well. Let's play it. And then Will, can you just explain? Because I've seen this a million times, and I don't even know who the guy was,

but you told me who it was. Let's play it. And then Will, you could take it after that. It'd be like that sometimes. I know. They're just jealous because they have big tits and an Ashkenazi IQ.

Yes, that's what it is. You got it. Anyway, next time you're in New York, let me know, we'll hang out. Bring your girlfriend in New York sometime, and we'll all hang out. We'll all hang out. We'll have a blast.

Yes, I will bring my girlfriend. Okay. What is the origins of this? That was Lumer in the video? Yes. And so this is one of the most sort of treasured relics of right-wing media and fighting what we got here. I believe this is almost a decade old at this point. This is a video of Laura Lumer hitting on a guy named Mike Ma, who would later go on to be an eco-fascist neo-Nazi writer, very treasured by a lot in the far right, who I believe last year there was someone who was like trying to blow up a power plant who had copies of his books. So that's what we're working with.

I'm going to have to defend Lumer on this one. I was on Candace's aside earlier. You got to call him balls and strikes in these sort of situations. Nobody, nobody, nobody, so everyone sounds embarrassing flirting. Everybody sounds embarrassing flirting. There's never been a leaked text where somebody is sliding into another person's DMs, where both sides seem very chill and cool. Like if there was a video of anyone at the bar, at any time,

talking to someone they wanted to kiss, you would be embarrassed to see that video. And in that case, I don't think Laura Limber was doing anything inappropriate. She was flirting with a handsome eco-fascist. And he was kind of being kind and saying no. He was pretty forthright. I have a girlfriend.

Let me just stress. I'm bringing my girlfriend. who shot the video i'm just dying tonight we don't know i mean this is this is really like all right 2016 2017 times i mean you can i you know i give laura a lot of credit if there was a video of me like that out there i think i'd like kind of slink away and you know shrivel up uh but you know she she the big tits never been rejected at a bar will well like a video of me saying oh i got big tits in an aschkanazi IQ to to a nazi you know it is a little bit of an irony uh i i i used to throw on my ashkenazi IQ as a pickup line in college. It did not work. Oh, really? Yeah. Surprisingly, I thought it was a go-to.

Seriously? No, I did not. What is your IQ? Do you know your IQ? Do you know your IQ? Are you taking an IQ test? But I am Ashkenazi. And I was Bar Mitzvizvud. Legit. Anything else we want to talk about in this feud or not? Well, you know, the one thing I wanted to bring up here is Laura's acting like she's going to, the McCrones obviously are suing Candace over the trans allegations. And Laura's acting like she's acting like she's going to uncover all of Candace's hidden assets. She's saying, you know, you're changing, you know, officers at your companies or whatever. I mean, to be clear, that lawsuit is really just getting started. Laura loves being like, I want them, you to know it was me. I tipped off, you know, I showed President Trump Tucker's rude tweet as though, you know, they wouldn't find these things eventually. But it is interesting that Laura's, you know,

trying to help the McCrones out. I will just say we've played a couple of Candace videos and only done one Laura tweets. So I want to just do one last tweet to sort of round this up. Let's do the one about her. We got to make sure. We also say the whole sides are heard. Yeah, yeah. I want the one about Charlie choosing Erica over her. Can we put that up? It says, every day the world watches you humiliate yourself because you are so mad, Charlie Kirk, chose Erica over you. You didn't get to go to his wedding and you weren't even allowed to say goodbye at his funeral. Oh, God. That's how hated you are because you are an oxygen thief and you should be charged for every bit of oxygen you steal from planet earth.

It's like a cap and trade. Yeah. It must burn you that Eric was the last person to touch us. Jesus, I don't know why I decided to read this. I'm going to stop. This makes me uncomfortable. I don't like this. Can we do the, could we scoop ahead to the last line?

Sure. Your children hate you. Your children hate you and your allegedly homosexual husband to most definitely hate you. It's a strong quote. I just, I just think that, you know, the gay thing, I, I don't mind a good gay joke. All right? Like if you can execute a gay joke against somebody, particularly in a Magon Maga feud, I'll laugh. I'll chuckle if it's well done.

Okay. This feels like a stretch. This feels like you're really struggling. I mean, Candace has multiple young children. So George Farmer is clearly capable of consummating the marriage. We don't have any evidence that he's actually gay. I just, I feel like there's so much to work with with Candice that it feels a little, it feels a little, cheap from Laura and you know I think we're kind of grading this figure skidding judge style I'm gonna

have to docker a few points how old are these people at this point uh Laura's uh maybe third or 31 or 32 um no can't Laura Lumer is only 31 it's easy to Google you guys talk while I yeah canvas is 36 canvas looks great Laura Lumer is only 31 32 if you could you would could have told me 52. Candice is 36. I'm going to leave that one. Leave that one there. That is shocking.

32 years old. I hear a lot. Yeah. At some point they're going to age out of this. That's got to be fake. That's got to be a fake age. Like she's doing the fake birth certificate. No,

I mean, no. I mean, we've, I mean, her career has been public basically since she graduated from college. Yeah. That's right.

I just think at some point you get too old for the shit. She considered one skin. Our friends at one skin. You know, is this an improv in-show ad place? Fullwork Takes is sponsored by Zock Doc. I've got young kids at home. I know health issues don't follow a neat 9-to-5 schedule. In fact, sometimes it's 9 p.m. to 5 a.m.

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She should concern herself with the senescent cells. She's 31. I'll just, I'm going to leave at this. At some point you got age out of this. But then I look at Megan Kelly and she's in her fucking prime right now. Oh, Megyn Kelly, Mark Levin. I mean, you know, people will. Strong laden left.

Donald Trump, right? I mean, they love this shit. All right. Let's move to the rankings. So here's the deal. And this is gimmicky and I admit it, but whatever. Trump, as I noted up top, he put out this socially said, he should make a list of the good, the bad, and the bad and the

somewhere in the middle maga pundits. And then he didn't do it. And there was some appetite online to see what his list would look like if he did do it. So I put together a list of 18 pundits. This is a lot. I'm going to read through them. I know Will prepared for this. So Will can give us his list.

And Tim, maybe you could just critique. Yeah, I'm going to do it right now. We're doing it live. Okay. So here is the list in no particular order. Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Cross, and Candice Owens, Benny Johnson, Tim Poole, Nick Shirley, Megan Kelly, Jack Basobic, Alex Jones, Laura Lumer, Mark Levine, Nick Fuentes, Will's boy, Elijah Schaefer, Tim's boy, Clay Travis, Chris Rufo, House and Habit, and James Lindsay. Okay?

That's it, man. That's a list. That is a rough list. It's a rough list. The Rhodes Gallery. We left out the Fox News people. We thought that, and we're going to keep TV to the side, and we just list was getting too long. Now, the instructions were, and we don't have to follow the instructions,

were to pretend you're Donald Trump. So you're the president of the United States, and you just basically want to inhabit his headspace and say, okay, here's my six good, here's my six mediocre, here's my six bad. Those are the instructions. Will, what's your list? Sure. So, I mean, let's just line them up.

I'm not going to do that Trump's down. I'm creating my personal list. Yeah, yeah. Let's just talk about who's, you know, who's the new hotness and, who's old and busted. Yeah, so who do we have? Let's kick it off.

I think that the first category is the people that Trump likes now. Yes. So that's, you know, that's going to be Micropinus Mark Levin. You're going to put him there at the top. I think he's at it. It seems like Trump's watching all of his content. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Ben Shapiro, I think, is in the fam right now.

I would say Benny Johnson seems to be. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, no. Benny has become very critical of Israel. and, you know, Benny is getting a little rowdy. So I think Benny's in the bad boy camp. So I guess we'll put Clay Travis in the good side since he is supporting the Iran War and wants to bet me a million dollars. The gas prices will go down next year. I'm still trying to fund that.

That I feel pretty good about it. But I don't really, I don't have that kind of scratch to throw around. You could help me with that if you want to join the Bullwork Plus right now. Bullwark Plus. So Clay, he'd be in the good list. Boy, it's kind of tough. He's on the outset. A lot of people, Loomer, I guess.

And Nick Shirley, I guess, would probably be on the good list. 100%. Where's Tim Poole on this? Tim Poole, I think, is still on the good list. Because Tim's kind of a hard one to nail down. He's also doing pretty well. He's going to open a coffee shop soon. So I feel like Trump likes to see business success.

Okay. Okay. I'll put Tim in the middle because we need some people in that middle list. Um, it's easy to do the bad list. So we can, we can start there too. Obviously on the bad list, Tucker, he fucking hates Tucker right now.

Candice, not happy with Candice and Megan Kelly. He's been railing on her. That's three right there. Okay. And Alex Jones. And Alex Jones. That's four.

That's four. So we need two more Rogans kind of, Rogan's at the White House. He was at the White House, but he's also not totally happy. So I'm going to put him in the middle, I think. They're courting him. Yes, I would put him in the middle.

Okay. That leaves a bunch of curious ones. Nick Fuentes, I think you got to put him on the bad list. Bad boy list, yes. Okay, yeah. All right, Elijah Schaefer. I mean, setting aside that Trump has no idea who this is. Elijah Schaefer is on the bad boy list.

He recently dyed his hair blonde. A lot of revelations are coming out in his lawsuit. Can he flip table, Eliza Schaefer? Because he's going to be in my good category. We're going to get in a lot of that. Yeah, we'll explain it a little bit. Okay, fine. All right.

I keep it going here. James Lindsay kind of. You know, James Lindsay would be in, let's put him in the middle list. I want to tell him who he is. I'm not sure everyone knows who James is. So this is a guy who is kind of one of these conceptual James. You know, he was one of these big, the big kind of faces of like anti-D-EI and critical race theory guys. And more recently, he's become like a big anti-s, people like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes, who he calls them the woke right, which doesn't really make any sense.

But, you know, let's just put him in the mushy middle. Mushy middle, fine, fair. House and habit. You know, House and Habit was just at the White House, I believe, meeting, you know, she's trying to revitalize the Maha agenda. So I would say, you know, I know the good list is full, but, you know, I think she's in favor with the White House, even if I think she's, I'm struggling in other ways. All right. So that leaves two sort of ways is House and Habit struggling? Well, you know, Candace is dingin her. And, you know, there's kind of a revolt.

I think she's losing a bit of the grip on the Maha movement. Okay. That leaves two people. So I'm just going to go through two sort of like originals, honestly. There's Chris Rufo and Jack Pesovic. Chris Rufo, I think he's on Trump's good side because he's against the woke right type people. He's kind of, you know, I don't know. He's kind of split.

Maybe let's put him in the middle. And then Jack Pesobic, you know, loyal member of the Pentagon Press Corps. He's kind of like they're trying to push him into the Candace camp. I think he's trying to straddle this line and he's been getting under some pressure. But I think, you know, when he's recently. about him. Well, he was calling for foreign agents in MAGA Media to be arrested. So, yeah, I mean, I, I think he's on Trump's good side. Man, I don't know about that. I feel like he's in the middle. Put him in the middle. Put him in the middle. Fine, fair enough. All right. Tim. Yeah, my list is tough. I guess I say, because they're all on the bad list for me. And I've come up with five, I've come up really with four, but maybe five, that I could, I could plausible. say right now

their content is speaking to me. Okay. The number one, I have to say James Lindsay, who you aforementioned, he went after the woke right. You know, all of the right wingers hate him now. He's really, he's kind of a tragic figure. He's kind of a frumpy, lumpy man

with a lisp and like all of the other content creators are dumping on him. Like his points are kind of right most of the time lately, at least in his critique of his fellow maga commentators. So I've been, I This is going to give James Lindsay an add a boy because nobody else is. Also on my good list.

Okay, we need to put some words in between good list and then I'm going to say next. Okay. So we're going to talk a little bit. We're just going to say this and that. And we're going to talk about this. We're going to say like, and we're just judging this based on, well, charisma, uniqueness, and talent. No, we're judging this on comedy stylings on their content creation and commitment to

voting for the Democrats in the midterbs. And that would be Nick Flintes. He's the only one on the list that's going to vote for the Democrats in the midterms. And I gotta tell you, bad person, very bad person. If you're a young impressionable male, do not watch his content. If you are somebody who has, you know, is confident in your beliefs, watching Nick Fuentes make fun of the people that call in to ask him questions is pretty good material. Like, he's really shitting on the people.

that call into his own show. And you can kind of tell he hates his life now. And he hates the other groipers. And I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that. This is like that tweet where you never have to hand it to ISIS. This is like a version of that. Yeah, okay.

Well, I did it. I put a lot of words in there. It's going to be a tough clip for people. Joe Rogan, I think. Was that the White House? Don't like that. Don't like that. But yeah,

he was there for the reasons of supporting, you know, psychedelics, which I do like. And he's been criticizing Trump lately, making fun of the Mago Boys for being dweeb. So I put him on my good list. Okay. Eliza Schaefer, every picture of him I see lately, he's with a twink. Yeah.

So I don't exactly know what's going on with him, but he's got a twink army. And as long as that's consensual. Yeah, he's basically European at this point. Yeah, as long as that is a consensual thing, I support him in his journey. House and Habit I had is also on the list just because she seems like a tragic figure. She was reading my book recently, so I think that's good. Okay, great. Put her on the good list.

I could think about something nice to say about those five. There were 13 left on the list, and I really couldn't come up with anything. Were there any other nominees for the other 13 to put in the good list? Yeah, we had other nominees. So we did, well, the three Fox people we had that we were going to talk about. And again, the whole point was like, are they on Trump's good list? But you've reverse engineered this. We've reframed.

Was Hannity was one. Greg Gutfeld was another. Dumb hang on Hannity. Oh, it was. Yeah. And then the third was who? Do you remember well? It was Hannity, Godfell, and Jesse Waters. Oh, Jesse Waters. Also worse. So my question is, who else would you put in my, you know, in a category of you just got to say something nice about it? You could just do this. Can you come up with one nice sentence about anybody? For me, Elijah Schaefer in the Twink Army, Joe Rogan and Psychedelics, James Lindsay, bring against the woke right. Is there someone else? Yeah, Megan Kelly, my girl. You think she's hot or?

No, no, no. But she has been like in a few of my tweets recently. She's been liking your tweets. I've noticed, Megan, if you are there. She's been liking your tweets. Megan, I like the likes, but I would love an RT more. I don't have to hand it to it. The likes are secret.

They feel like they can secretly do it. Yeah, I know, but I'm noticing. I'm noticing, Megan. Thank you. I appreciate it. I can't put her in my circle of trust, but that's a good six domic. That's fine. All right. I'm just going to go a quick, quick run through. And for the original idea here, what would Trump think of these people?

And I'm just going to go through this. And I'm going to go where Will and I kind of settled. Rogan, Mushy Middle. Shapiro, Like. Tucker, hate. Candice, hate. Benny, Mushy Middle. Tim, pool, mushy middle. Nick Shirley, Like. Megan, hate.

Jack Posobic, Middle. Alex Jones, hate. Laura Luma Love. Levin, Love. Fuentes, hate. Schaefer. What did we say with Schaefer? He has no.

Not sure. Who he is. Clay Travis likes. Rufo, Middle, House and Habit. We decided what? I forget. Likes. Likes. James Lindsay. We said middle. Loves. Loves. Oh, loves, Lindsay. And Megan Kelly hates. Okay. We went through the list. Tim, you you, you cured this up very nicely when you're giving your love fest of Nick Quentes. That's not right. I did not do that. I did not do that. It was not that. I had some narrow points. He's voting for the Democrats. and when he makes fun of the other groipers, it's funny. Okay, that's it. A lot of other bad traits.

Don't clip it. A lot of other really bad traits, bad person. Steve Guest is going to clip it, make fun of you, go off on you, whatever. All right. He hates his own fans, Nick Fuentes, like truly finds them physically repulsive. So Will's latest false flag. I was reading and I was laughing. Because at first was like this is so obnoxious of Nick Fuentes.

Basically, these guys go. I wouldn't see an end to defend Groyperism and Nick Prentice attacks him for being ugly. But then I did take a look at this dude's shoes. They're kind of like tan box loafers. Yeah. I admit it, Sam, I was your, it was your tweet I saw before I read the whole article, which is good. And I felt like I started reading the tweet, you know. It's like, you don't want to laugh.

You don't want to hand it to him. But the tweet went like this. Two Nick Pente's Framboys went on CNN to defend him in Groyperism. I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Plentis responded not with gratitude, but disgust and how heavy one was over the clunky top loavers he was wearing. I just like spit-taked on my couch. Okay. That's good.

That's funny. Yeah, it was pretty funny. But I couldn't tell if it was serious, honestly, Will. Like, do you think Fuentes was being serious? Oh, yeah. I think he's totally serious. And, I mean, you know, in the story we talk about how this Groyper now, they're calling him CNN Groyper, I mean, he had to, he had to, he put all these videos out saying, you know, okay, guys, I know all the death threats are coming in, but I'm a real groiper.

I got into it about a year ago. I've read mine comp and I'm going to read 1984. And then all these like the hardcore groopers, because he kept defending himself in all these chat rooms and stuff and all the hardcore gruypers were like, I can't wait until you get docs. So. Oh, my God. I think there's a larger, there was a larger point here, which I thought was really actually kind of insightful. was that like there's this tension here where you're supposed to represent the perfect race and all your followers are just not perfect to put it gently. They're not.

That's right. Well, as Nick Fuente said, if you have a BMI over 25, you know, you can't claim to represent me. You know, it's a tale is old as time hating your own fans. I was watching Funny Kings of Leon interview one time, kind of indie rock band, their first record was very popular in like music nerds. circles and then their subsequent records were more like kind of radio play stuff that'd be on when we were walking through walmart and they're like we got excited we started we started to sell bigger venues out and then we got there to the first venue on tour and i looked down at

the front row and it's like a fat middle-aged person and dad jeans and mom jeans dancing and we and then i started to get bitter and uh you know they came back around the other side and came to appreciate the ugly fans that they had and and i don't i hope that doesn't happen to Nick Plaintiff because I kind of want the torment to really envelop him. Yeah, I don't think there's any concern that, you know, he's about to really grow a heart for the the less, the less appealing Gryper. No. Well, we love our fans, just to be clear, regardless of your BMI or, you know, how you feel about

our content, as long as you're a paying subscriber. We love you. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I like some more than others, I guess. I would say, you know, compliments, the people that do. compliments. I like better. But yeah, you know, teach everybody is special in their own way. Yeah. Okay. Well, fellas, this was fun. We should do it more often. I missed it, as I said. Before we leave, I just wanted to do a little programming note. As I mentioned up top, we have these live shows coming up in San Diego and Los Angeles next month. The tickets are on sale right now. It's going to be great. Tim's there. I'm there. Sarah Longwell's going to be there. These shows are awesome. They're so fun. People genuinely have a good time. And we take a lot of audience Q&A.

be a real blast. So if you can't get around and get a ticket, please do so. You can get them at the bulwark slash events. Again, that's up in San Diego. Theborec.com slash events. Theboret.com slash events. Just making sure you're paying attention, Tim. Theborec.com slash events, San Diego and LA later this month. Will. Tim, take care, buddy.